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Billions for smart weapons



The NVO correspondent visited a regime enterprise whose products caused a flurry of discussions in the media and social networks in connection with the overflight of the American destroyer Donald Cook in the Black Sea with the Russian Su-24 aircraft. Leaving aside the journalistic fantasies about 27 American sailors who have experienced stress from the fact that the Russian bomber was able to suppress the American system weaponsincluding the vaunted ship multifunctional combat information and control system "Aegis". At the plant in Stavropol, where they produce electronic warfare (EW), no one has confirmed or refuted information that the company's products were involved in the incident. But at the same time all the factory workers had the look of birthday men.

I was taken to an anechoic chamber, where at that time measurements of electronic equipment were carried out for electromagnetic compatibility, and they offered to take a look at the screen of my cell phone. The phone did not find the signal from the station. “Now you understand what the American sailors saw on their radar screens,” one of the company's employees said with a mysterious air. So legends are born. After all, an anechoic chamber is just needed in order to protect equipment from external sources of electromagnetic radiation during its setup.

FROM KETTLE TO “HIBIN”

The special regime of secrecy established at the plant did not allow to go deep into the technical details of the device and the functional purpose of the electronic warfare equipment (EW). But even what we managed to see is impressive. In particular, equipment is being created here for the latest L-175V Khibiny-U complex, which was adopted by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of March 18, 2014. For the sake of historical It’s necessary to clarify that the complex is intended for Su-34 fighter-bombers, therefore it couldn’t be in the Su-24 electronic weapons, which flew about a kilometer from Donald Cook. However, the first sample of the Khibiny L-175V product was placed on a plane and tested in the air in January 1995, so who knows if the already obsolete model frightened American sailors.

In the museum of the enterprise are stored samples of Rebov equipment, which the plant at different times produced for over 36 years. Among military products, for example, on-board aviation station L091 "Los", a means of radio-technical protection of a cruise anti-ship missile of the Granit complex 3B-47 Quartz, a station for protecting front-line aircraft Gardenia-1FU, etc. A special place in the museum is occupied by equipment for creating false targets, which is installed on ballistic intercontinental range missiles. As one of the specialists present at the museum explained to me, this equipment creates a picture of the starry sky on the screens of locators, where each "asterisk" is a false target, among which it is impossible to detect a warhead with a nuclear charge.

A separate section of the exhibition is devoted to products manufactured in the years of perestroika and the period of timelessness and powerlessness that followed. On the shelves - irons, switches and voltage regulators for VAZ cars and other consumer goods, unworthy for a high-tech enterprise.

In the zero years, to the delight of workers who had not received a previous salary, and for the good of the country, the plant began to recover from the perestroika ruin. A large-scale technical re-equipment began, which enabled the company to master the production of special-purpose new generation - 1-4GHz SAP-14 active jamming stations, 2-18GHz SAP-518 individual protection, XC modules of L265В range for Su-34 fighters, etc.

In 2011, the plant mastered the production of frequency identification and reproduction systems (SOWCH) ​​for the products 1Л269 (“Krasuha-2”) and 1 РЛ257 (“Krasuha-4”). And in 2012, he began mass production of L265М10 products for Su-27CM and Su-35С aircraft. To do this, it was necessary to increase the authorized capital by placing additional shares to raise funds. The funds received in this way were sent to update the technological base for the production of broadband hybrid integrated circuits (GIS) and microassemblies (SMEs) for the microwave and millimeter wave ranges. Last year, mass production of the radio intelligence reconnaissance complex (ROC Moscow-1) began, a prototype of the aircraft protection system against MANPADS was manufactured as part of the Scan ROC. Production volumes in 2013 increased by 44%. In 2014, the state defense order increased by more than 20%. “Next year it can double,” suggested the head of the company. The most recent order is the creation of equipment for the newest L-175В "Khibiny" complex for Su-34 fighter-bombers.

GOLD DEFENSE

Each product manufactured by the enterprise is unique and unique in its own way. It combines high technology and the most advanced materials. Among the products of the plant are hybrid micro-assemblies using thin- and thin-film technologies and vacuum deposition. Alexey Belevtsev, chief engineer of the enterprise, shows and tells how the resistor layer is made on the boards, which will then be installed in the equipment of a modern fighter. Chromium is deposited on a copper plate in vacuum, then electroplating copper is done, photolithography is done, then the board is poisoned and coated with nickel, and on top with gold. Nickel is needed so that gold does not diffuse into copper. These two elements penetrate each other very well. The boards prepared in this way are transmitted to the digital editing site, where diodes are mounted on them under a microscope. Splicing is done with 40 micron (human hair thickness) and 20 micron gold wire. Jumpers made of gold foil. The finished microassemblies are placed in a metal case, which is sealed with a laser. Air is pumped out of the microassembly, creating a vacuum, and filled with argon. In this neutral environment, according to Aleksey Belevtsev, the board “flies all its working life”. The principle of operation of the EW equipment also seems simple, when an expert gives an explanation. Having received an analog microwave signal from a target, the station converts it into digital one, processes it, endows it with interference, again converts it to analog form and “spits out” it into the target. That's all: the enemy's weapon is "blinded."

Today, in the total volume of production more than 85% - EW equipment for airplanes, helicopters, operational-tactical missile systems, such as Iskander, strategic missiles, and also spacecraft. In the near future, the plant will supply the first Himalayan EW stations for the fifth generation fighter T-50. “We are already making the first samples now,” the CEO said. According to the head of the concern, in the next three years it is planned to invest in the technical re-equipment of the plant and the release of new types of 1,3 equipment, RUB billion. This will ensure growth in revenues from the production of highly competitive defense products to 5 billion rubles. in year.

At the board of the concern, which includes about a hundred research institutes and enterprises specializing in the production of EW equipment, General Director of the Rostec state corporation Sergey Chemezov announced plans to place a state defense order for 4,3 billion rubles at the enterprise. with performance in 2015 – 2016.

Dmitry Rogozin, Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation who is present at the board, noted that the products of the plant and concern will be in demand in the coming years. First of all, it is connected with the plans of army re-equipment, including EW facilities: by 2015% by 30, and by 2020% by 70, and by 100% in strategic nuclear forces. “If anyone has rusty rockets, then definitely not with us,” said Dmitry Rogozin.

Speaking at the college, the vice-premier once again reminded that the Russian defense industry should rely more on its own strength. He focused on the need "when choosing a supplier, a strategic partner in the supply of machine equipment, stand base, as well as components for complex products, carefully look to pursue a conscious and consistent import substitution policy."

Over the past 12 years, the plant has purchased and mastered high-tech machines. According to their manufacturers, you can study the geography: Austria, Israel, USA, Taiwan, Switzerland, South Korea, many machines from Germany. The newest machine - 2014 year of manufacture. With great effort, it was necessary to literally mine a CNC lathe-milling machine from Japan, capable of processing parts with micron precision.

US HELP WITH SUPPORT ON OWN FORCES

If the situation at the plant and in the defense industry as a whole is leveled off with the fleet of machines, this cannot be said about the domestic microelectronic industry, which lags behind world competitors in growing crystals and manufacturing microwave transistors. According to the head of the company, the share of imported electronic component base in the domestic EW means does not exceed 20%. Deliveries are mainly from Southeast Asia. However, the NG correspondent saw components with Xilinx marking in the assembly shop, and this is a well-known American company, whose headquarters is located in San Jose (California). Now the implementation of plans for the production of smart weapons can be severely slowed down, as Washington announced new sanctions against the Russian Federation in connection with the situation in Ukraine. “We will focus on certain areas of high-tech exports in the field of defense, which, it seems to us, cannot be implemented in the existing climate,” said Barack Obama.

True, it is not entirely clear how the White House will be able to carry out this threat. After all, Russia is buying from the US not a piece of goods, but a kind of consumer goods, although it is very technological. For example, Californian products are 51% in the microelectronics market. And it’s not at all necessary to buy the same Xilinx components directly in the USA.

But even in the absence of real consequences from the imposition of US sanctions, we must revive our own microelectronics industry. “First of all, betting on our own strengths. Because, as in past centuries, when the sovereign emperor said that Russia has no allies except the army and fleet, and now the same thing. Only we, in addition to the army and navy, have Strategic Missile Forces, which is somewhat reassuring, ”said Dmitry Rogozin.

The Ministry of Industry and Trade has developed a strategy for the development of the Russian radio-electronic industry up to 2030. Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade Yuri Slusar spoke about it at the conference "Russian microelectronics: development prospects", which took place in Moscow on April 22. “In the document, we took into account the tasks of creating the innovation system of the Russian Federation, indicated in the May decree of the President of the Russian Federation on 2012,” said Yuri Slusar.

How can you not remember the catch phrase: Russian harnessed for a long time, but quickly go. It is planned, in particular, to increase the production of EW systems with 228 billion rubles. in 2012 year to 1,6 trillion rubles. in 2030 year. But the experience of previous decades suggests that from plans to implementation is a huge distance. Much of the new plan of the Ministry of Industry and Trade cannot but cause concern for the fate of Russian microelectronics. For example, by 2030, the share of domestic producers in the priority segments of the domestic market is planned to be increased only to 43% (in 2012, this indicator was 25%). The gradual reduction in the share of public investment in research and development (R & D) from 50% to 15%, as well as the transfer of the dominant role of financing to enterprises, also alarming. It is necessary to understand - from their own budgets, in which they have little interest.

The problem will have to be solved. And the sooner, the better, otherwise the ambitious plans to create a "smart weapon", the implementation of which is already directed billions of budget rubles, will remain only on paper.
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  1. Professor
    Professor 21 May 2014 08: 28
    -3
    I was taken to an anechoic chamber, where at that time we were measuring electronic equipment for electromagnetic compatibility, and they offered to look at the screen of my cell phone. The telephone did not find a signal from the station. “Now you understand what the American sailors saw on the screens of their radars,” one of the employees said with a mysterious look. Thus legends are born.

    Buy a Chinese cell phone jammer for $ 20 and a journalist in ecstasy.

    1. igor36
      igor36 21 May 2014 09: 01
      +9
      the anechoic chamber example is not entirely correct, in order to exclude external influences, it is generally screened, i.e. in it, an ordinary mobile phone, in principle, should not catch a network.
      1. Drin
        Drin 21 May 2014 09: 51
        +11
        E-mine, everyone is looking for shoals in the author’s article. If you understand that the author had in mind about the anechoic chamber, then he was simply hinted that the Amerikos equipment did not see anything, like the author’s phone in this very chamber.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 21 May 2014 10: 09
          +4
          if she didn’t see anything, how was the second plane discovered? and the optical channels also scored? moreover, the Yankees were bewildered and they didn’t see anything on the Su24 pylons (although the Khibiny is a hanging container). shorter than 3,5 kW (the power of a good vacuum cleaner) completely crushed 5 MGW destroyer, and even in a dead zone for themselves. 27 pax pissed and quit? And we write with pencils in space, right?
          Wake up already ..
        2. postman
          postman 21 May 2014 17: 29
          +4
          Quote: Drin
          he was just hinted that the Amerikos equipment didn’t see anything,

          This is all nonsense ("I have not seen").
          use grandfather Occam's razor
          1. Donald and Su-24 Energy
          SU-24: Installed on an airplane two generators GT30P48B alternating current, whose rated voltage is 200/115 Volts, frequency 400 Hz, the power of each of the generators is 30 KVA. GSR-ST-12 / 40a generators provide direct current rated voltage of which 28,5 Volts, the power of each generator is 12 kW.
          USS Donald Cook (DDG-75): The main power plant consists of four gas turbine engines General Electric LM2500-30 total capacity of 75 MW., electric power for "needs" 30-40% = 22,5 megawatts
          +
          On ships of all series there are 3 reserve Allison 2500 gas turbine engines (each power is 2,5 MW),
          2. The size of ANY antenna SU-24 (and Khibiny), compared with ANY antenna Donald

          nearly (ALL) the size of almost ALL SU-24

          AN / SPY-1 peak power 4-6 MEGA W
          3.Ronald Donald:

          AN / SLQ-32 v3 (on donald) = total interference power level can vary from a few kW to 1 MW. System speed: 1-2 s. It has 4 phased arrays, overlapping sectors of 90 ° each. EW systems of this modification can suppress interference up to 80 radars simultaneously. An optimized type of interference is sent to each object of counteraction, providing maximum suppression efficiency
          1. rolik
            rolik 21 May 2014 19: 02
            +2
            Quote: Postman
            use grandfather Occam's razor

            Ah, sorry for the immodest question, where does Okamma’s blade ??????????
            Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem))))))) do not multiply entities beyond necessity. Well, this is lyrics. We continue further.
            A little about the "mighty" Aegis. The key element of the system is the AN / SPY-1 radar, which is a combination of four flat phased antenna arrays mounted on the sides of the destroyer superstructure. "Spy" is able to automatically search in azimuth and elevation, capture, classify and track hundreds of air targets, program the autopilots of anti-aircraft missiles at the starting and cruising sections of the trajectory. The use of a single multifunctional radar made it possible to simplify the collection and analysis of information, as well as to exclude mutual interference that occurs on other ships when a large number of radar stations are operating.
            However, behind the visible advantage of SPY-1 lies a very complicated technical problem: How to teach the radar to efficiently detect targets at long and short distances at the same time? Decimeter waves (Spay operates in the S-band) are well reflected from the sea surface - a barrage of interference makes it difficult to recognize rockets rushing above the water, making the destroyer completely defenseless against supersonic anti-ship missiles. In addition, the low location of the SPY-1 antennas reduces the already small detection range of low-flying targets, taking away from the ship the precious seconds necessary to respond to a threat. Nobody in the world dared to repeat the American focus with a “single multifunctional radar” - on projects of warships created in other countries, in addition to the general detection radar, the installation of a specialized radar for detecting low-flying targets is always provided:
            - British "Daring" (decimeter survey S1850M centimeter SAMPSON)
            - French-Italian "Horizon" (S1850M centimeter EMPAR)
            - Japanese "Akizuki" (dual-band FCS-3A with active headlamps. In fact, two radars (range C and X), united under a common name). But discovering does not mean destroying. It is necessary to take the target for escort, point a weapon at it and control the entire process of the flight of the rocket to the target. In the US ship, this is done, as usual, by the multifunctional radar AN / SPY-1, together with three target illumination radars. The Spy super-radar is capable of simultaneously controlling up to 18 ... 20 anti-aircraft missiles: determining their position in space and automatically transmit correcting impulses to autopilots of SAM, directing them to the desired sector of the sky. However, the Aegis system carefully monitors that the number of missiles in the final section of the trajectory does not exceed three units. . The trick is that most modern marine air defense systems (including the Standerd and S-300F) use a semi-active guidance method: a special radar “illuminates” the target, the missile head reacts to the reflected “echo”.
            1. rolik
              rolik 21 May 2014 19: 08
              +7
              Quote: rolik
              the missile head responds to a reflected “echo”.

              The site does not allow long comments to write (((((((It is necessary to cut (((((

              Everything is simple. But the number of simultaneously fired targets is limited by the number of backlight radars. American destroyers have only three AN / SPG-62 radars. Heading angles covers one, aft - two, on board - all three together. On board the Orly Berkov, at best, a pair of automated Falanks anti-aircraft guns are mounted, which are a set of a 20 mm six-barreled gun and a compact fire control radar mounted on one carriage. In connection with attempts to reduce the cost of their construction, the destroyers of the US Navy of the last series are generally deprived of any anti-aircraft means of self-defense.
              Actually, “Orly Burke” is deprived of a lot of things - the fantastic Aegis destroyers, positioned by the Pentagon as the best air defense / anti-missile warships, have neither a special radar to detect the NLC, nor a sufficient number of target radar. This explains the pleasant “smoothness” of their add-ons and the absence of “extra” antennas.
              Su-24 is supposed to have two 30 kVA GT48P12B generators. Plus two smaller generators. "Khibiny" require no more than 3.6 kVA. REB members at the exercises once said that for most tasks, a power of 1-3 kW is enough. A 4-watt GPS jammer jamming navigation within a radius of 100 km or more. It is clear that such a thing will not knock out such a thing on the ship, but it is quite possible to assume that Aegis did not take a target for escort. And the point here is not so much in the opposing powers, but in the speed of frequency tuning and noise immunity of this very "Aegis". And the fact that from the earliest versions it is prone to overload is a hackneyed fact.
              This is the whole point. The system was not "knocked out" but, simply could not take the target for capture. That's all. It's like in a fight, when one of the wrestlers is smeared with fat. The enemy cannot fix him in the capture. So here, the "slippery" SU 24 did not get caught. The system kept breaking down, malfunctioning and swearing)))))) and now the mattress warriors were not laughing. When you perfectly see the target visually, but missiles and phalanxes cannot visit it. The target constantly leaves the capture and continues to twist the attack approach maneuver. Here is really no laughing matter. And this is absolutely absurd, to measure the energy of a ship and an aircraft))))))) Here it is not even a matter of the power supply, but of the point of application of the energy itself. As old Archimedes said, give me a foothold .... well and further))))))))
              1. postman
                postman 21 May 2014 19: 31
                0
                Quote: rolik
                EBOs at the exercises once said that for most tasks there is enough power of 1-3 kW.

                Come on?
                1. the inverse square law
                What can 1 kW do at a distance of 100m (even)?
                The radiation power at the point of the destroyer (simplified) is 0,01 kW = 10 watts (100 times less)
                What is 10 watt for Donald?
                Are you using Iridium satellite phone MUTE Donald?
                "I am plagued by vague doubts"

                Quote: rolik
                A 4 Watt GPS jammer jamming navigation within a radius of 100 km or more.

                Funny
                I’ll explain, it is POSSIBLE (!) To drown out if you place a GPS jammer with an object (aircraft 10 km high) and satellites (25000 km). Either close to the satellite, or close to the object. Yes, even a message to the director of the course parallel to the object or satellite.
                The rest is ZERO of the result

                My car does not muffle even at the gates of the treble
                Quote: rolik
                that Aegis did not take the target for escort - it is quite possible

                Aegis will take (without problems) to accompany the SAM the jammer, from the air defense system he will destroy it (director) WITHOUT problems (like Harmas)

                In order to drown out the donald, you will need the B-52REB link, and even with the corresponding construction in the order
                Quote: rolik
                just could not take the target to capture.

                In addition to the "fairy tales" from the magazine, I could not, there is nothing, but the world laughs at these fairy tales. Do not be like dill for a censor.nte (Koroliv is our born Ukrainian, the creator, I am a Nazi muzzle, but rocket laundering, they (K) themselves cannot do anything)

                Quote: rolik
                it’s absolutely absurd to measure the energy of the ship and aircraft)))))))

                This is not absurd. this is
                Quote: rolik
                all the salt.

                Manual jamming does not jam the radar air defense systems.
                EW front-line aircraft will not drown radar, EW destroyer.
                "the law of conservation of mass and energy2

                Quote: rolik
                , and at the point of application of the energy itself.

                Well, where is she "point"?
                Do you know the principles of organizing electronic warfare?
                Radiation, radiation patterns?
                Attack cone, cloud of light.
                Have you ever seen "milk" on the radar screen?
                (I have seen)
                1. scorpiosys
                  scorpiosys 21 May 2014 23: 08
                  +1
                  Absolute illiteracy and misunderstanding not only the basics of radio engineering and radar, but also the theory of signals, the principles of digital signal processing .... etc., etc. And then the power of the destroyer transmitter, well, I just can’t understand if the destroyer’s radar, except for spitting power, must also receive the correct and very weak reflected signal and receive it further in time?
            2. postman
              postman 21 May 2014 19: 20
              +1
              Quote: rolik
              Ah, sorry for the immodest question, where does Okamma’s blade ??????????

              Answer:
              Quote: rolik
              do not multiply entities beyond necessity

              briefly: discard garbage and nonsense, especially illiterate zhurnalyug
              Quote: rolik
              A little about the "mighty" Aegis

              No, I’m her Pts. I know well.
              and everything further listed by you, which is related to the bunch: Su-25 and Donald?
              1. rolik
                rolik 21 May 2014 19: 34
                +1
                Quote: Postman
                No, I’m her Pts. I know well

                Designed ??????
                Quote: Postman
                : Su-25 and Donald?

                Did SU 25 fly there ???????????
                This was all said to the fact that it is not necessary to have a high power-to-weight ratio in order to cause a lot of problems to enemy guidance systems. I repeat once again, the whole point is not in the blunt integration of power into the energy output. Despite the impressive appearance of the engine, the efficiency was (if not mistaken) 7.5 percent, and that of the incandescent bulb was 15 percent. So here, despite the solid energy of the mattress steamboat, a much less energetically armed opponent can bring down its guidance system. The thing is the approach to counteraction and the point of application of forces at the maximum point for this application.
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                2. postman
                  postman 21 May 2014 20: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: rolik
                  Designed ??????

                  1. Studied the probable opponent
                  2. Several times I was on the F-220, although there was not Aegis, but SEWACO-FD.
                  The bottom line is one (countering the electronic warfare of attacking aircraft)
                  Quote: rolik
                  Did SU 25 fly there ???????????

                  Oh come on. 24. They called for dinner.
                  And it doesn't matter who "flew" there: 24 or 25.
                  AN / SLQ-32 in version v3, when you try an electronic warfare attack, you just would eat it, without salt. I so assume that the pilot would even lose the beacons of his airfield. And I would have to orient myself ONLY visually 9 if the headache didn’t interfere)
                  Quote: rolik
                  it’s necessary to have a high power ratio,

                  required. 3KW, 7 MEGAWATS WILL DO NOTHING
                  Energy armament is ALL + of course the dimensions of the antenna field.

                  As a simple example of jamming, under the USSR, "the voice of America" ​​and "Voice of Europe"
                  Quote: rolik
                  not in the blunt drive of power into the power output.

                  in the dull and at the point of initialization of the electronic warfare means ("inverse square law") and in the size of the antenna and in the construction of the order of electronic warfare aircraft (but it was not here)
                  Quote: rolik
                  The thing is the approach to counteraction and the point of application of forces at the maximum point for this application.


                  Well, well, well. Outline (hell on your fingers) how do you see it for yourself?
                  (I know only one way to "apply a point" PRR type AGM-88 HARM, equipped instead of a warhead-UVI (for example, with a unit of "compression" of a single crystal of cesium iodide with a converging spherical wave), to hit targets with radio frequency electromagnetic radiation (RFEMI).
                  PLEASE FLY "CLOSER" by 10m, for example
                  1. scorpiosys
                    scorpiosys 21 May 2014 23: 14
                    0
                    "surely. 3KW, they won't do ANYTHING to 7 MEGAWATS" Mom - don't cry! Electronics and radio technicians! A hefty guy can be killed with a tiny needle! This is so for especially gifted "radio specialists".
                3. scorpiosys
                  scorpiosys 21 May 2014 23: 10
                  +1
                  After all, the incoming reflected signal is very small! Not to mention other miscellaneous tricks.
          2. scorpiosys
            scorpiosys 21 May 2014 22: 58
            +1
            As a radio engineer by training, I want to note that the power of the transmitter and the sensitivity of the receiver are different things, and there are also such concepts as selectivity of the receiving path, dynamic range, etc. So do not power the peach, to frighten people who are not versed in radio engineering and to cast a shadow - on the wattle fence.
            1. postman
              postman 22 May 2014 01: 42
              0
              Quote: scorpiosys
              As a radio engineer by training,

              If not "engineer-radioelectronic engineer" - and who claimed the opposite?
              question to
              Quote: scorpiosys
              As a radio engineer by training,
              and the power of the received signal of the receiver is somehow related to the power of the transmitter?
              Remind me?
              = 1 / R1 per sq. * 1 / R2 in sq. or (if R1 = R2, for V less (much) C) = 1 / R in 4 st)

              Legend:

              Pr is the signal power at the terminals of the receiving antenna;
              Pt is the power of the radio transmitter;
              Gt is the gain of the transmitting antenna;
              Ar (sometimes S) is the effective area (aperture) of the receiving antenna, Ar = G * λ² / 4π, where G is the gain of the receiving antenna, λ is the wavelength.
              σ is the effective scattering area of ​​the target in a given angle;
              F - loss ratio during signal propagation;
              Rt is the distance from the transmitter to the target;
              Rr is the distance from the target to the receiver.

              NOT RELATED?

              Quote: scorpiosys
              So don't

              1. Do not talk nonsense, she squeals when "engineers-radio electronics" carry it!
              (Now I understand why we are in radio electronics ... behind China
              2. I do not scare anyone, I simply refute STUPIDness using the basic knowledge of the 1st class ..
              Well, not
              Quote: scorpiosys
              radio engineer by education,
              I .. And thank God
          3. uyrii67
            uyrii67 26 May 2014 09: 10
            0
            It is not correct to compare the energetics of a ship and an airplane, however softer it is. The detection range depends on the transmitter power. "The detection range is directly proportional to the power," I still remember the beginning of the basic law of radar. But the reflected signal is very small, so it is masked. And it is not at all necessary to crush the receiver completely, it is enough to use interference that leads to speed, that is, to disrupt the automatic tracking (AC) And this will not allow using weapons.
      2. Rinat 1
        Rinat 1 21 May 2014 16: 15
        +2
        In general, the author was lowered to nothing ... There will be no more writing about science.
    2. Good cat
      Good cat 21 May 2014 09: 39
      +7
      Yeah, just in time for his arrival, we ran to the market for Chinese jammers. One thing is not clear, Mr. Professor, if you don’t like everything like that, why are you going to this site?
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 21 May 2014 12: 17
        +8
        One thing is not clear, Mr. Professor, if you don’t like everything like that, why are you going to this site?


        And praise yourself !!! They have all the best.
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 21 May 2014 12: 37
      +3
      In fact, the journalist wrote that he shouldn’t catch the phone in an anechoic chamber, and that the factory worker wanted to mystify him a little. Read is not fate? Inflate your cheeks right away? The sound came out of those cheeks rather embarrassing ....
    4. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 21 May 2014 14: 55
      0
      and sailors from an American ship too - and then for 20 bucks laughing
    5. VAF
      VAF 21 May 2014 16: 16
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      Buy a Chinese jammer for $ 20 and a journalist in ecstasy.


      +! drinks
      And for the afftor ... purely for the sake of ..... "historical justice" wassat

      Quote article:“For the sake of historical justice, it is necessary to clarify that the complex is intended for Su-34 fighter-bombers, therefore it could not be part of the Su-24 electronic armament, which flew about a kilometer from Donald Cook. However, the first sample of the L-175V product from Khibiny "Was placed on the plane and tested in the air back in January 1995, so who knows if the old model frightened the American sailors."

      In 1995, it was the second experimental set of L-175V Khibiny that "flew" on a Su-34 aircraft.
      The L-175V appeared due to the fact that the L-175 itself, due to its loudness and "capacity", was IMPOSSIBLE to "stick" on a clean combat aircraft, but only on a specialized one, so the L-175V was created (in a container version) specifically for the samlelt su-34 ... because it is ... big fellow (therefore, Khibiny can be found on the Su-27SM3, Su-35S, Su-30SM) but not on MiG aircraft.
      Now on the Su-24, due to the circumstances set out above, on this type .. well, there was no way to "stick" (and even more so on the MR) this complex .. unless only under the belly .. but it would only turn out a single-post sample (which in the end it turned out) and then ... for a car that would be exported (we have everything due to export ... and Armor and Su-30SM and Su-35S and MiG-35 ... and so Hephaestus and "trimming" was shoved as an option for the Su-24MK / MK2 wassat ).
      But Hephaestus then .. "went", but the "cutoff" under the name station of active interference KS-418E and remained only in the development of research and development and nothing more.


      Well, the layout ... the layouts we can always do and provide on .. fellow

      1. postman
        postman 21 May 2014 17: 38
        0
        Quote: vaf
        Now on the Su-24, due to the circumstances set out above, on this type ... well, there was no way to "stick"

        Serge, EVEN if VANDALILIT (tied, welded, riveted).
        ENERGETICS for Khibin Su-24 DOES NOT PROVIDE !!!
        1.SU-24: Two GT30P48B alternating current generators are installed on the aircraft, the rated voltage of which is 200/115 Volts, the frequency of 400 Hz, the power of each of the generators is 30 KVA. The GSR-ST-12 / 40a generators provide direct current with a nominal voltage of 28,5 volts, and the power of each generator is 12 kW.
        2.SU-34: 2x GP-23 generators, with a total capacity of 120 kW • A (120 kW) + APU
        Well, the power (consumed) Khibiny (U) you yourself know (I do not belay )
        3. Khibina (U) would not do anything with REO Donald Cook, shopping mall (below)
        Here B-52 is needed (or "bear"), Yes, preferably not one
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 May 2014 18: 13
          -2
          Quote: Postman
          Serge, EVEN if VANDALILIT (tied, welded, riveted).


          Hi. Basil, +! drinks a long time ago. When this "crazy urya-message" just came out, I immediately wrote to everyone .. what is it, because. The Su-24 WILL NOT PULL KHIBINS because of its power-to-weight ratio! 9 What you clearly demonstrated) drinks
          Therefore, in his "narration" he outlined what actually happened and what ... was put on and how.!
          1. postman
            postman 21 May 2014 19: 05
            0
            Quote: vaf
            a long time ago. When this "crazy urya-message" just came out, I immediately wrote to everyone .. what is it, because. Su-24 WILL NOT PULL KHIBINS because of its power availability!

            prvt. I also moaned about this many, many times.
            Here's how you think it’s true: according to my amateurish estimates (on the knee), the Khibiny (U) will not be able to drown out Donald, even placed on the Su-34.
            Well, they won’t pull, and they don’t pull in the impulse, and they won’t pull
            1. The "weight categories" are too different.
            Khibiny (U) - "their battlefield": MBT, BMP, RDM, MLRS, Iskander type RU, regimental, army air defense systems, regiment communication systems, etc.
            But not a destroyer, with a displacement of 9000 tons, with a power plant = 4 General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbine units
            2. The law of inverse squares: in order to receive something (Khibiny), one must pass almost tightly over Donald ...
            And who will "let him" into the grinding?
            wink
            ===
            ??
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 May 2014 21: 23
              0
              Quote: Postman
              Here's how you think it’s true: according to my amateurish estimates (on the knee), the Khibiny (U) will not be able to drown out Donald, even placed on the Su-34.


              Vasily.friend drinks let's not violate the instructions for PDITR bully
              God saves man, who save himself. but not safe .. the guard guards wassat (pah-pah. that would not jinx it).
              you know. i know ... well thank god drinks
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              2. postman
                postman 21 May 2014 21: 47
                0
                Quote: vaf
                . but not safe .. the guard guards (pah-pah. that would not jinx it).

                Your arguments are weighty. I’ll go have a drink, looking at such things at night ..
                =======
                344082, st. B. Sadovaya 31, a gray house
                1. sivuch
                  sivuch 23 May 2014 12: 06
                  0
                  Is it on the corner with Foundry?
    6. postman
      postman 21 May 2014 17: 46
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Buy a Chinese cell phone jammer for $ 20 and a journalist in ecstasy.

      you can save $ 20
      1. I went into the basement (reinforced concrete) -no communication
      2. Enter any Faraday chamber (medical centers for the diagnosis of NMR) - no communication
      But what does this have to do with electronic warfare and Khibiny and Donald? (Well, except that they test and test their components in the factory 1 + 2)
      1. iwind
        iwind 21 May 2014 22: 56
        0
        I would add that.
        The coverage area in the rear and front hemispheres is a sector of + -45 degrees, therefore, with all his physical desire, he cannot constantly keep the destroyer in the "beam" while flying.
        A good article about Khibiny.
        http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-802.html
        And on the destroyer there are MK-15 flanksi and RIM-116 which can work on heat and body guidance.
        For comparison, you can take EA-18G, which in the electronic warfare squadron is at least 5 pieces, and no one even says that they can even turn off the Russian ship, and this aircraft, which is laden with containers like a Christmas tree and which specializes in electronic warfare and RTR
        1. postman
          postman 22 May 2014 00: 46
          0
          Quote: iwind
          A good article about Khibiny.

          Yeah, KEY:
          REP complex provides protection of the aircraft from anti-aircraft and aviation weapons.
          AND? nothing about "jamming" Donald and others.
          Note: for "other" purposes, the antenna in the pylon
          Quote: iwind
          And on the destroyer there are MK-15 flanksi and RIM-116 which can work on heat and body guidance.

          RIM-116 has no guidance body
          -Mark 15 Phalanx CIWS has no ECO guidance
          "Degradation" of destroyers "Arly Burke"
          ... By the age of twenty-five, Vasya had completely fallen and lost the meaning of life. Bad heredity and a reduction in financial assistance from wealthy parents played a cruel joke with him: in general, a good guy, according to neighbors and acquaintances, he finally “lost his track” and got hooked on the needle. An exhausted skeleton with a swollen face is all that remains of the former athlete, a candidate for master of sports in freestyle wrestling.
          Quote: iwind
          , and no one even claims that they can turn off the Russian ship even,

          Right. Their (18) task is to prevent, prevent the launch of anti-ship missiles from Tu
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol 21 May 2014 08: 49
    +4
    thought a normal article .. and the author is drawn to urban legends about "Cook"
    1. angolaforever
      angolaforever 21 May 2014 10: 34
      +3
      If you repeat nonsense for a long time, the crowd will eventually believe.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 21 May 2014 20: 48
        0
        and you, as I understand it, a leader, who they are, a crowd, you can’t explain blue blood, either, and you don’t get down to talking with cattle
  3. saag
    saag 21 May 2014 09: 25
    0
    For a long time, a very long time it is necessary to decide, just do not solve something, they master the entire budget
  4. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 21 May 2014 09: 32
    +2
    Not necessarily "Chinese" - there are also Russian systems of suppression.
    ... And a journalist urgently needs to improve his skills in the field of spelling - it is written "diffuses", from the word "diffusion".
  5. Nayhas
    Nayhas 21 May 2014 09: 47
    +3
    Over the past 12 years, the plant has purchased and mastered high-tech machines. According to their manufacturers, you can study the geography: Austria, Israel, USA, Taiwan, Switzerland, South Korea, many machines from Germany. The newest machine - 2014 year of manufacture. With great effort, it was necessary to literally mine a CNC lathe-milling machine from Japan, capable of processing parts with micron precision.

    How many of these countries are US allies and support their sanctions? ALL.
    The problem will have to be solved. And the sooner, the better, otherwise the ambitious plans to create a "smart weapon", the implementation of which is already directed billions of budget rubles, will remain only on paper.

    What naivety. This problem is unsolvable in the current conditions.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 21 May 2014 20: 54
      +1
      you know, my friend in the ussr worked on the provision of electronic equipment for nuclear boats. At that time there were also sanctions, high-tech equipment was not shipped. He visited our factories for the construction of these boats, so foreign machines stood there (I won’t say which country ) so I don’t think this is a problem.
  6. Isum
    Isum 21 May 2014 10: 42
    +4
    As an electronic engineer, I can assume that the electronic warfare installed on the same aircraft did not make the aircraft invisible, since this is not possible (especially for the SU-24), but simply interfered with the signal from the radar, giving it out as an allegedly reflected signal from the aircraft, As a result, the Yankees see on radars not to understand what (I can only assume that in the place of one goal see multiple goals).
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 21 May 2014 12: 40
      +2
      You can not assume.
      The principle of operation of electronic warfare equipment also seems simple when an expert gives explanations. Having received an analog microwave signal from the target, the station converts it to digital, processes it, endows it with noise, again converts it to analog form and spits out into the target. That's all: the enemy’s weapons are “blinded”.

      You can just read it.
      1. postman
        postman 21 May 2014 20: 37
        0
        Quote: Mikhail3
        That's all: the enemy’s weapons are “blinded”.

        if everything was so simple ....
        This is the principle-principle of impact on the attacking warhead (BG) of anti-ship missile systems, air defense systems, electronic warfare means of the protected area, when the power of the electronic warfare source is NOT lower (and usually several times higher) than the power of the AGS radar (or the reflected signal that the GOS receives).
        And even then, this interference is very easy for delay time and signal distortion.
        Electronic warfare against ships attacking aircraft is the creation of a "cloud" of interference to cover the attacking aircraft: to prevent targeting (at least one coordinate), CA, to hide the launch of attacking missiles
        Quote: Mikhail3
        translates into analog form and “spits out” to the target


        DIGITAL ANTENNA ARRAYS:
        -RLS of Nizhny Novgorod NIIRT 55ZH6U
        Radar 1L119 (Sky? IED)
        Radar S1850M
        - Advanced versions of Anzac and frigate type 45 = radar with SAMPSON
        - X-band APAR radar (Hollandse Signaalapparaten, Raytheon Naval and Maritime Systems for air defense ships of the fre? Gat class)
        ==========
        AN / SPY-1 digital radio channel! including tv SM-3 bvttn two-way digital communication channel with the carrier ship
        1. scorpiosys
          scorpiosys 21 May 2014 23: 22
          0
          The shops now sell such small "soap dishes" on the windows, which drown out sounds from the street, completely different in strength and origin. And they are not expensive!
          1. postman
            postman 22 May 2014 00: 47
            +1
            Quote: scorpiosys
            The shops now sell such small "soap dish"

            In Germany, there is an idioten Test for inadequate people, who failed it has little chance of taking at least some significant position and almost 0 chances to return VU
    2. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 21 May 2014 23: 19
      0
      And here is closer to the goal of an opinion on the principles of digital affairs.
    3. postman
      postman 22 May 2014 00: 55
      0
      Quote: IZUM
      but simply interfered with the signal from the radar, giving it out as a supposedly reflected signal from the aircraft, as a result, the Yankees see on radars not to understand what

      How so?
      1. The signal arrived, part was absorbed, part scattered and the "NECESSARY" part went to the receiver.
      2. For the time (pico seconds) your electronic warfare must have time:
      -fix the cigan
      -examine it (power, amplitude, direction, encoding)
      - "process" it (probably in the "ring" power supply
      -generate a signal interference "masking" under the main, support
      -radiate it in the direction of the radar irradiator.

      What? Not weak?
      Why "Athena" project is "tormented" !. just send in the direction of the radar a signal with a phase shift of PI / 2, instantly, and?
      And the reflected signal is quenched by the generated one.
      What is not an invisibility?
      Bad luck: give PC, and a generator that can do this for PICO SECONDS!


      Quote: IZUM
      as a result, the Yankees see on radars not to understand what (I can only assume that in the place of one goal see multiple goals).

      Hee hee
      At a minimum, in order to see "multiple" targets, you MUST HAVE multiple emitters.
      Or did you (together with a reporter who wrote this nonsense) learn how to arbitrarily generate in space a source of electromagnetic waves remote from a physical generator?
      Quote: IZUM
      As an electronic engineer


      oh ...
  7. goose
    goose 21 May 2014 10: 54
    +4
    An illiterate article, the journalist did not even check the spelling. I found it in the text "defended", my blouse almost unbuttoned from rzhach, well, how can you exchange diffusion for asbtraktnoy "defended". What kind of echo is possible from external sources in an isolated chamber ??? In short, everything that is taken from the press releases of factories in the article is correct, everything else is a typical blooper of modern journalists. No wonder the dean of the Faculty of Journalism of St. Petersburg State University said that the quality of modern journalists has fallen dramatically. Unprofessionalism can be seen from the TV, only a piece journalist tries to understand the material he is talking about. This applies to literally everything: politics, sports, and especially vividly - science. Maybe that's why there are almost no reports about her, an unpopular topic, and even the chances of screwing up are almost 100%. I put the article +, because they don't write about science at all, and this timid attempt is welcomed.
    1. max702
      max702 21 May 2014 12: 33
      0
      And in what area of ​​life have we added specialists recently? I only know one .. This is "PR people" to snatch all sorts of garbage at any level and in any field of activity, and that's it ..
      1. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 21 May 2014 23: 27
        0
        Now there are a lot of specialists "on absolutely all issues" in the age group below the average. They asolyutli know everything and also know how to do everything, and they also take up any business (moreover, they feel themselves as "specialists" already since kindergarten).
  8. Tyundey
    Tyundey 21 May 2014 12: 47
    +5
    Quote: goose
    ... I almost blazed my blouse from rzhach ...

    Is it possible to attend the next bout of laughter? :))

    Quote: goose

    ...From the tv same seen
    ...
    If you put a stool on the TV, you can see a lot of interesting things. The height of the viewing position will increase.
    And if this is not what I thought, then it will be right - "On TV".
    No offense, OK?
  9. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 21 May 2014 14: 59
    -2
    The fact of the flight of the American ship was - yes.
    The Americans have denied that they have ended up in full well ... - no.
    Conclusion - Russian weapons are effective. Dot.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 21 May 2014 15: 48
      +1
      Do you have female logic?
      Here is Orion above us. Why do not we shoot down? Sassali? - no ! Crushed by interference? - no ! invisibility? - no ! Caught in full w ..? - no !

      Just Freedom of Navigation - have you heard of this? And do not read the yellow articles
      1. postman
        postman 21 May 2014 17: 41
        +3
        Quote: Tlauicol
        Just Freedom of Navigation - have you heard of this? And do not read the yellow articles

        right:
        1. during the confrontation between the USSR and the USA, such overflights by airplanes of ships of both powers were made at almost every meeting of probable opponents. And "nothing" was extinguished!

        2. Just over 20 years old Yankees Weanedthat someone can approach them through the air and (oh my God) fly over them.
        Trukhanuli (and even in neutral waters, YET IN THE BLACK SEA (the Navy is nearby, the Air Force base is nearby, and the situevina is complex).

        LET HAVE ADDICTED, gain a conditioned reflex.
        And about "jamming" Aegis - Tales
      2. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 21 May 2014 23: 29
        0
        But Cook didn’t go to Sevastopol, because - freedom ...
        1. postman
          postman 22 May 2014 03: 26
          +1
          Quote: scorpiosys
          And why Cook didn’t go to Sevastopol,

          They were so afraid of the Su-24 that:
          1. Romanian President Traian Basescu during a visit to the US destroyer Donald Cook, who went on a visit to the Romanian port of Constanta, reported that soon another American warship will have to arrive in the Black Sea.
          2. The press service of the General Staff of the Russian Navy reported that the command of the US Navy continues to increase the number American warships in the Black Sea.
          "On Tuesday the frigate" Taylor "of the US Navy crossed the Black Sea straits and entered the Black Sea," - explained the press service of the General Staff of the Russian Navy.
          3. The French authorities continue to increase their presence in the Black Sea. As it became known, the Ministry of Defense of this country decided to strengthen its military capabilities by sending an anti-submarine frigate Dupleix there.
          4. Now in the Bulgarian port of Varna is the warship of the French Navy "Alize".
          5. The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia today confirmed the information that a detachment of Chinese warships entered the Black Sea. "Yes indeed. Today, Chinese ships entered the Black Sea (as part of a group of Chinese ships, the Qingdao missile destroyer and the Yantai patrol ship) at the invitation of Ukraine", - said the representatives of the General Staff.

          =========
          I’m not going to save directly from them, so afraid of the khibiny, so afraid that the rod and the rod
    2. postman
      postman 21 May 2014 17: 43
      0
      Quote: Hitrovan07
      The Americans have denied that they have ended up in full well ... - no.

      Refuted:
      http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=122052
      and laughed
      Quote: Hitrovan07
      Conclusion - Russian weapons are effective. Dot.

      1.Not a fact (at least consider the elemental base)
      2.Colon (mb catch up and surpass)
  10. Free wind
    Free wind 21 May 2014 15: 56
    +2
    My neighbor did not refute or confirm any information. At home, going down to the cellar for potatoes, I was surprised to find that my cell phone isn’t working now, in the cellar it never works, I remembered my neighbor’s drunken mug, he remembered not my birthday today. And then I thought. but what did the Americans experience when they saw that their phone didn’t work. Dr. Rogozin was especially pleased. Thanks to his good health, he quickly recovered after a heroic breakthrough from the Moldovan encirclement. and it is already instructing negligent defenders that it is necessary to strengthen it despite the fact that the increase in choosing a partner must be closely monitored, although of course the fact that we have strategic missile forces is a little reassuring.
  11. gregor6549
    gregor6549 21 May 2014 17: 12
    +4
    I am always amused by a short discussion of highly professional and highly classified problems of electronic warfare. Moreover, advertising materials that have nothing to do with reality are often discussed. If we talk about electronic warfare in general, then this is one of the types of weapons and military equipment that is being continuously improved on both sides of the "fence". Who will overtake whom in this competition and how long we cannot know. Or maybe not. Let's leave this matter to specialists. And so the swamp, which, as you know, is a godsend for the shpien, on this site sometimes goes off scale. Why make life easier for these very spies. After all, they are paid pretty money from the treasury. So let them work them out.
  12. Bowless
    Bowless 21 May 2014 21: 17
    +2
    Megawatts (and then of pulsed power) fly into the transmission, and miles of reflected watts arrive. Load the receiving path, and turn the radar screen into milk, power is required by orders of magnitude less. The main processing of the incoming signal and the timely issuance of an interference signal. And to compare the reflected signal and transmitted, like an explosion at the epicenter and a distant echo.
    1. postman
      postman 21 May 2014 22: 33
      +1
      Uh-huh.
      1. Here you have a lamp (spotlight, table) with an incandescent bulb 100W-This is a radar (emitter)

      Take BETTER floodlight in 1000W (to keep proportions 7 megawatts Donald radar and 3 KW BREO KHIBIN)

      2. Here's a flashlight for a pencil. These are the means of RE LA

      power 3 w
      3. Here's a piece of paper (or cardboard) - this is an irradiated aircraft, well, or take a model aircraft

      4. This is a wat photocell (solar panel) is a radar receiver.

      Searchlight (lamp) No. 1, near it, place No. 4
      -light the number 3 spotlight number 1
      trying to create "obstacle" # 2 (running around, looking for
      Quote: rolik
      point of application of energy itself
      that would distort the output current No. 4 in any way (distort the received signal)
      Well, how did it happen?
      The example is exaggerated, but true! For reference, a light wave is the same EM wave, according to the same laws.
      1. postman
        postman 21 May 2014 22: 36
        0
        Quote: Unrestrained
        and miles of watts come reflected.

        NOT TRUE!!!
        The basic equation of radar



        "come" watts and even kW
        And milivatts is the LOWER THRESHOLD of sensitivity, and not everyone
        Quote: Unrestrained
        And compare the reflected signal and the transmitted

        It all depends on the POWER of the initial signals
      2. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 21 May 2014 23: 35
        0
        An example is not true! Due to lack of understanding. Light your head in a 3 kW match head from a distance of 10 m, and wait until it ignites. Then we'll talk!
        1. postman
          postman 22 May 2014 00: 34
          0
          Quote: scorpiosys
          Light your head in a 3 kW match head from a distance of 10 m, and wait until it ignites.

          ? where is it?
          What am I talking about "I. Garin's hyperboloid"?
          The principle of location (and no matter the radio wave or light beam or echo)!
          Quote: scorpiosys
          Then we'll talk!

          About what? about the ovaline belt?
          VUS my S-200, K3-B air defense system specifically
    2. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 21 May 2014 23: 32
      0
      Well - here, finally! At least one person close to the "location" was found.
  13. samuil60
    samuil60 22 May 2014 00: 03
    +1
    Not being an expert in electronic weapons and countering them, I will say one thing: my whole life was surprised by people who believe that they know everything or are absolute experts in one area or another, and who do not doubt their knowledge one iota. And the point is not at all in "Cook" and "drying", but because with such a view of the world, the development of science (including military science) is in principle impossible. At one time, the Catholic monk Copernicus was judged not by the dense Inquisition (as they hammered into our heads), but by the most prominent scientists - astronomers of that time, "luminaries of science" who recklessly believed in Ptolemy's system, and chose the court of the Inquisition as their weapon for reprisals against the "charlatan. from science ". Only the judges of the Catholic Church turned out to be more humane than their colleagues in the scientific workshop, and instead of the death penalty demanded by European astronomers, Copernicus was prescribed three months of imprisonment at the dacha of the local bishop, where there was a huge scientific library. This I mean that "there are many secrets in the world, my friend Horatio, which our sages did not dream of."
  14. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 22 May 2014 10: 28
    0
    I apologize for the browser glitch ... sent one koment appeared three ... Of course it surprises One locator on the entire ship.
  15. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 22 May 2014 10: 28
    0
    It seems to me that the dispute is about nothing ... To illuminate a large space, a lot of power is needed, and to blind a person, a small pocket laser is enough, the most important thing is to get where you need it, that is, in the eye. I think there is something similar here, especially since we have a huge and powerful CYCLOP with one eye. It would be more painful for them (like a spider, for example, 8) it would be more difficult to blind. Hit the eye and knocked out the cyclops.
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  17. Bowless
    Bowless 22 May 2014 21: 30
    0
    Quote: samuil60
    Not being an expert in electronic weapons and countering them, I will say one thing: my whole life was surprised by people who believe that they know everything or are absolute experts in one area or another, and who do not doubt their knowledge one iota. And the point is not at all in "Cook" and "drying", but because with such a view of the world, the development of science (including military science) is in principle impossible. At one time, the Catholic monk Copernicus was judged not by the dense Inquisition (as they hammered into our heads), but by the most prominent scientists - astronomers of that time, "luminaries of science" who recklessly believed in Ptolemy's system, and chose the court of the Inquisition as their weapon for reprisals against the "charlatan. from science ". Only the judges of the Catholic Church turned out to be more humane than their colleagues in the scientific workshop, and instead of the death penalty demanded by European astronomers, Copernicus was prescribed three months of imprisonment at the dacha of the local bishop, where there was a huge scientific library. This I mean that "there are many secrets in the world, my friend Horatio, which our sages did not dream of."

    This is the army. Luminium vs cast iron. Everything else is pseudo-scientific if bacabism.
  18. MBA78
    MBA78 23 May 2014 17: 13
    0
    and it’s true that Sushka attacked from the third call