Why does the Russian Federation buy foreign weapons?

In recent years, the process of purchasing foreign weapons has been gaining momentum in the Russian Federation, huge amounts of money are leaving and going to the West that could support the development of the domestic military-industrial complex, create new jobs, increase the salaries of workers of our enterprises, give impetus to the creation of new weapons systems, besides, it is well known that by developing new weapons systems, dozens and hundreds of new products, technologies that can be used in the civilian sphere, are “incidentally” being created. In addition, this leads to the final degradation of domestic design bureaus in a number of promising areas, creates the danger of dependence on the West in the field of components, ammunition, there is a danger of failure of electronics on Western products in the event of a war with NATO.

Voennoye Obozreniye has already reported on the desire of the Navy command to install foreign-made artillery systems on frigate-class ships under construction, and we are also talking about the purchase of systems for our diesel submarines - diesel engines, diesel generators, ventilation and air conditioning systems. (http://topwar.ru/3365-na-rossijskix-korablyax-ustanovyat-evropejskie-artillerijskie-ustanovki.html). Moreover, it later became clear that these were obsolete artillery systems: the Italian 127-mm OTO-Melara (model 1968) and the French Creusot-Loire Compact (1953/1968) were purchased Drones Israel has already outdated models. There is an agreement with Italy on the purchase of 10 Lynx armored vehicles from Iveco, at the end of 2011 the 1st armored vehicle should leave the assembly line at KAMAZ. A figure was announced about the construction of 1700 vehicles for the Russian FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Moscow Region (http://topwar.ru/1096-rossiya-potratit-1-mlrd-dollarov-na-zakupku-1700-italyanskix-bronemashin.html). Moreover, light armor based on German technology will be used for the vehicle.

Plans were made to buy for the Russian Ministry of Interior from France up to 1000 units of Panar light armored vehicles, perhaps some of the vehicles will be manufactured in the Russian Federation (http://topwar.ru/3453-rf-planiruet-zakupit-do-1000-edinic-francuzskoj -bronetexniki.html). The Ministry of Defense negotiated the purchase of trial batches of the Italian Fortstsiya infantry fighting vehicle (BMP) and the heavy vehicle Centauro for their tests. Perhaps the parties will be bought and the Ground Forces (http://topwar.ru/3529-ministerstvo-oborony-planiruet-priobresti-partii-probnyx-italyanskix-bmp-i-bm.html). This list is incomplete, you can continue it: “Mistrali”, sniper rifles, in Germany, bought a field camp from the company Karcher Futuretech GmbH and so on. A good symbol-image of such a policy in the field of armaments is the barge Mistral, an iceberg for our military-industrial complex.

The question arises - why? We are going to fight in a few years with China and Islamic countries ?! For this we buy weapon and military technology from the NATO countries, our recent enemies. So NATO is now “rear” for us?

Or is the business with the military-industrial complex so bad in the Russian Federation that there is nothing left to do but buy foreign weapons? Yes, it seems like no, many countries buy weapons from our military-industrial complex, many models are considered the best in the world - 4th generation airplanes, helicopters, air defense systems and anti-missile defense systems, there are excellent examples of small arms. Our Tanks at the level of the best in the world, so criticized by the T-90 by Russian military experts is considered stronger than the vaunted German Leopard (http://topwar.ru/3835-russkie-voennye-yeksperty-t-90-silnee-leoparda-2a6.html ) There are excellent examples of their armored vehicles, such as the Tiger, the Wolf. There is a constant increase in purchases of our weapons abroad - our army does not see such supplies, it receives crumbs, and almost all new equipment goes abroad. Even the NATO countries have recognized in a number of areas our high level in the military field, so for Afghanistan they are asking for the supply of our helicopters, they are more reliable in the highlands. China and India are actually creating their carrier strike groups through our developments.

Statements that our weapons are expensive are ridiculous - you can drastically reduce their cost by launching the series, naturally, the batch of 10-30 planes is more expensive than two or three hundred.

It is ridiculous to listen to statements that our military-industrial complex cannot create what they buy abroad, this is a hoax. So, the same famous MiG has developed a very promising model of the unmanned aerial vehicle "Skat", but there was no development (http://topwar.ru/3940-sudba-skata.html)

Apparently, the main reason is ordinary greed, “our” officials became so brazen, relaxed, that they simply “cut the loot” before our eyes. Here, as older people say, “Stalin is not on you.” Complete impunity, it is pleasant to go on business trips at the expense of the state, that is, citizens of Russia, listen to the sweet speeches of those who meet you, visit “sweet Europe”, receive “kickbacks” for which you can buy real estate in the same Europe. Complete impunity, who scare the "transfer to another job?" It leads to a total degradation of the management corps, only indicative hangings can correct the situation. Confiscation of all property, including all relatives, mistresses, friends, that they will not be able to prove the fact of purchase for a salary. This is the psychology of intelligent animals that live for only one day, with their narrow, selfish interests.

Another reason is the “internal enemies” who are interested in eliminating the domestic military-industrial complex, the final transformation of Russia into a raw-material country, without hope of reviving the industrial potential and high technologies, which are largely associated with the development of the military-industrial complex and the space industry. Kill in Russia any possibility of reviving its greatness, strength, power.

The only way to stop such decomposition processes is reasonable repression, measures of higher social protection, with a simultaneous program of educating the new elite, the aristocracy of Russia, ascetic, strong-willed, wise, warrior and vedun class. Traders should not be allowed to manage the state, their level is a market, a market.

Comments

[Stavr]

A. Samsonov: "The only way to stop such processes of decay is reasonable repression, measures of the highest social protection, with a simultaneous program of educating the new elite, the aristocracy of Russia, ascetic, strong-willed, wise, the class of warriors and witches. Traders should not be allowed to run the state, their level is a bazaar, a market. "

Alexander, and how do you plan to stop this? It is no longer just traders who rule in our country, where gangster-oligarchic capitalism has been created, which has nothing to do with really real democracy, it is ruled by a clan of people who usurped power and who consider themselves entitled to take any political and economic decisions for the entire population of the country. The plan of this oligarchic group is to completely crush the country under NATO, depriving it of a capable army and economy, turning the country into a raw materials appendage of the West. I must say that the Anglo-Saxon plan is being implemented quite successfully, despite the individual squeaks of some citizens and the so-called fragmented public, which the authorities simply do not give a damn about. It is strange that no one has yet seen a simple fact: Taburetkin and those who rule with his hand drag us by the ears to NATO. To do this, a subtle yet but clear transition is being made to NATO standards in the army. Adjusting to these standards means the desire of the country's leadership, without the noisy publicity among the cattle people, to completely put Russia under the notorious European values. The borders of countries for the world oligarchy are blurring and it does not matter: where the slaves live, in which country, if only they would provide the slaves of their masters with profit and allow them to continue living in luxury and carelessness. Russia has already been turned de facto into a raw materials appendage of the West.

[Ivan Krasov]

You can buy weapons in case of urgent need, but you cannot destroy your defense industry. It is hard to imagine that "in these times" a senior officer could poloho say about domestic military equipment and praise foreign ones. After all, this can be assessed as causing damage to the defense industry and a breakdown in public confidence. However, it seems that no organizational conclusions have been drawn regarding this senior official.
Therefore, it is necessary, in fact, to act tougher in this situation, and above all in relation to personnel.
Hopefully, recent statements by the country's leadership on the development of a defense industry development program and the allocation of appropriate funds for the purchase
armaments will help rectify the situation.

[Sasha]

the author forgets the details ..... spraying saliva on the fact that our arms are being bought abroad, forgets to say who it is, but mainly the Middle East and Latin American countries are buying, the type of chavez we’ll say they are so developed and the alternatives they especially no. about helicopters in Afghanistan it’s generally funny ..... not because it’s better, but because it’s cheaper for the Afghan troops and nobody looks at the quality. About domestic KB it is necessary to invest and develop of course. only personally I have the feeling that many of the articles published here are just ordered by the KB to form public opinion, and there exactly the same officials want to tear off their own budget and not invest in engineers and production, therefore the results are not very good. you need to invest in the domestic KB only to do it wisely, with the reorganization of institutions and industries so that the money goes to development and not to the seated management apparatus, officials planted by someone and having a very mediocre desire and knowledge to develop something ...

[Joker]

about helicopters in Afghanistan it’s generally funny ..... not because it’s better, but because it’s cheaper for the Afghan troops and nobody looks at the quality.

- I don’t agree at this point, since they are buying a reliable car, with greater thrust-weight ratio, in the conditions of the Afghan climate, the car has proved to be excellent, in addition to transport purposes, it can also be used for assault operations.

[huginn]

The author correctly assumed that the West was more likely to be in the rear, that large-scale aggression could not be expected from there, but the arms race in the Asia-Pacific region was at a pace unprecedented since the Cold War.

[Imperialist]

The article is another senility of a sick person.

So far, nothing has been bought except for the UAVs, in Israel, which may have become outdated, but even this junk surpasses much Russian drones.

Mistral has not yet been bought, no one knows who will transfer the management system to Russia and so on .... Concerned

author, does not understand that in order for the military-industrial complex to do what the Army requires of it, the monopoly of some enterprises must be broken,

because they are sure that the army will take what it will be given for any price because there are no competitors, but if some snickering directors, shareholders and oligarchs realize that they will not buy trash, then they will have to stir their appetites to die and do what the customer does necessary.

Helicopter carriers are needed, helicopter carriers are in all normal fleets, if the Russian fleet wants to be anything, then such ships are needed,

and stop fooling around and say why he is needed and why and why ....

Italian armored cars are better than the Tigers, although at least modulating it is possible to change armored sheets one by one if they are damaged.

Well, no one refused the tigers, they also buy them, a new Wolf machine appeared, and I think a little competition about stimulates the creation of new better samples than a tiger, an example of this is the Wolf.

[Joker]

For the imperialist

Italian armored cars are better than the Tigers, although at least modulating it is possible to change armored sheets one by one if they are damaged.

- according to the NATO defense class, the reservation level is considered confirmed while holding 50% of bullets !!! What kind of reservation can we talk about? !! Yes, we have for normator vehicles no more than 5-7% of bullets from the cabin, and for the army - not a single through penetration should be.
- I hope you do not have time to explain what 15 automatic cartridges (half a horn) for five people.

author, does not understand that in order for the military-industrial complex to do what the Army requires of it, the monopoly of some enterprises must be broken, because they are sure that the army will take what it will be given at any price because there are no competitors, but if some are snickering directors , shareholders and oligarchs will understand that their stuff will not be bought, then they will have to stir their appetites to die and do what the customer needs.

- the root cause of the kickbacks to those who directly order the equipment, kickbacks are from 30% to 70% in some cases, percent (if you take into account the entire chain. So it is necessary to solve it, struggling with corrupt bureaucrats.

Do not throw such words just like that, and our drones can release, it would be financing.

[mitrich]

Russia long ago passed the point of return on this issue.
The author A. Samsonov writes about the planned purchases of samples of weapons abroad in their final assembly. But what about the fact that, it would seem, purely Russian-made equipment has long been dependent on imported components. There are a lot of examples. Satellites, T-90 tanks with French thermal imagers, recently in the same comments argued about the Italian Iveco and "Tigers" (which is produced in Russia, but the engine on it comes from Brazil), etc. etc. I heard that at one time even the assembly of the Topol depended on the supply of something very important from Germany. Last year, in 2010, it was OFFICIALLY announced (that is, it was not me who came up with it now) that the Russian military-industrial complex depends on 65% of components from abroad, and only 35% on Russian ones. So shout "Fire!" too late. If we do not want to fight with pitchforks and axes, while our military-industrial complex will switch entirely to a purely Russian product, purchases of military equipment and weapons abroad are INEVITABLE and even necessary.

[Maj.]

Betrayal - yes. But it is not a betrayal of Russia.
Everything is simpler. Salvage. Kickbacks. There the Accounting Chamber will not check the actual value of the purchases.
Look our "leaders" in the eye. The eyes are green - there are only dollars in them. And they don't give a damn about the country, about us.
Well, happen something. They are not tugging at Kuibyshev, but on the Cote d'Azur. They have everything there ready for a comfortable life.
And we will again have to defend our Russia with AKM. There is no hope for them.
Well, if there are Minins and Pozharsky.

[Bob]

Russia caved in to Western values ​​in most foreign policy issues, and in addition to domestic policy, it behaves just like that (they put it in cancer). The country's top elite, with its gangster-oligarchic system, represented by Chubais, Abramovich and others, is a great danger to its people. The collapse of the army, education, health - the result of their activities. New invented words - such as modernization are nothing more than a restructuring of the 1985 model.
Output? Liberality in the minds of power is perceived as weakness and hence the widespread theft and violation of laws even by those who control their observance (prosecutor's office). Therefore, another government is needed, which would restore order, legality. To wait for the people to grow wiser and begin to seek truth by the law in the established order, to hope for the progressive development of democratic institutions - this means ruining the latter. Riot is what modern reforms lead to. Today it’s not the same people as in 1985, not so naive and having lost faith in power. Not everyone will cave in under the new orders. Social tension is so very strong. And when will layoffs everywhere follow (in the same military-industrial complex, or education), if there is no bread in the families? Then who will protect the state from collapse? The current reformers of the puppet of the West, they are led in order to cause a social explosion in the country

[Eric]

Major Today, 15:21
There is already Stalin, but where can he find associates?

[datur]

Sasha, in the west of its defense industry. which they support with all their might. as well as their industry. and not only in words. their oligarchs, too, snickered too, but their officials can do something about their own ...... m and a piston, but they can insert it quietly in their own way. and our about .... and bureaucrats rob together and that’s all.

[Gur]

All this situevina .. resembles the footage of the film "Lefty" .. where to our amperator .. I don’t remember what counting .. they showed all the Angles weapons .. where he was, oh yes ah .. but the Cossack Platov spoiled the whole picture for them .. remember who ?? So, in my opinion, Platov is not enough for us .. and judging by history .. Russia believed all its life (at least until the Sov. Power) that in the West all the best ... maybe it is so .. that is .. BUT how to become ashamed of Russia for the officials .. who have become so insolent .. that without any shame they rob, ruin, destroy .. everything that we had is something for which one could be proud. When will it end ?? And against this background .. China as a role model .. you look and tears in your eyes .. give a shit about everything .. bought - copied ... and the party rules and the business is there and the leaders are not fouled .. and the army is being dragged away from their ambitions do not refuse .. Ehhh homeland-ugliness ... I would have entered into some thread to fight such an infection .. or even better .. would have taken up arms.

[Imperialist]

Gur

Yes, correctly go to the forest, fight along with the spirits against the hated Kremlin, this will definitely help the electronic industry.

And I advise smart people not to run all the time for some shepherds who promise you a freebie as soon as you bring them to power, and go to school to study technology, now there’s a hunger strike for staff, this also makes it very difficult to develop production.

This is how you can contribute to the development of industry, rather than getting an automatic burst in the chest.

[Gur]

Imperialist
Well, actually, I live among the "spirits" this is firstly .. secondly, I just work in the electronics industry .. or rather serve it .. and thirdly, I do not hate the Kremlin .. but what is done in this Kremlin and those who are does ...
Well, then .. smart people also want to eat .. staff hunger you say .. and where to work with these frames ??? again there .. where does Uncle SAM pay or at the russophysics offices of the same Uncle Sam ... his own ... we are anointed with guan .. (judging by ginerality) And I said about the weapon .. because there is already no urine. look at all this .. and read even more so ... some gossip .. and no one wants to change anything .. just tryndyat .. Some for their homeland, well, a doman of the couch .. others in general are some kind of appendages ... What remains .. just spit on everything .. and live only for yourself .. and only for the sake of your beloved .. but the Soviet upbringing doesn’t give an infection .. here I’m suffering ...

[mishan]

With a frequency of once every 2-3 months, articles appear on the same topic, with approximately the same content. Are you tired of ??

[ZEBRASH]

I believe that in the field of defense it is necessary to provide ourselves with weapons and DO NOT BUY ANY DETAILS ABROAD. The purchase of foreign weapons for Russia is a shame!