Zampoliths, political instructors, and still-commissioners

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Title by author unknown. However, on the Internet in various forums, this topic rises constantly and is discussed with incredible fervor. Apparently, very sad! Let's turn to some facts and analyze what the fuss is about. Commissioners will not touch, and turn to the newest stories. Until September 1991, everything was clear, the political officer is the political officer. But after ... Instead of the political officer, an assistant commander for educational work was introduced. And since 1992, the professional training of teachers in military schools has ceased.

It can be stated that the system of education of military personnel was destroyed. However, everything is much deeper. For some reason, the loss of hazing has been associated with the loss of the institute of political workers in the nineties. It seems that this is a controversial thesis. And until the nineties there was hazing. It’s just that the media had no opportunity to discuss this issue. The concept of the Sacred Duty of serving the Fatherland was practically eroded. The main merit of young people now is to “hang out” from the army. And the army slowly began to degrade.

Only after 10 years, in 2002, a mistake was recognized, and the specialty “officer-educator” was introduced in military universities.

Among the issues discussed in society are:

- who goes to political schools? Fans or prominent youth representatives?
Officers have an opinion that political workers have created their own clan and constantly replenish it at the expense of graduates of schools. Lord officers! And remember - what did you know about the army, about the statutes, about the political work, when the green entrants passed entrance exams in the camps. Knew units. They knew those who had the opportunity to get this knowledge by inheritance. And that! This theoretical knowledge did not allow to have a complete picture of the future. Therefore, it can be argued that just young people, not fans and not outstanding representatives, went to the political departments of the schools. Just those who have heard something, and maybe the competition was less. But you never know for what reason.

And the rest of the experience was obtained and obtained, as in the officers of command and engineering specialties, directly in the process of performing functional duties. Next to experienced officers. It was in communication with experienced officers that there were and still are imbalances in the understanding of reality.

 Have you personally met worthy people among political officers/educators?
Until now, there is talk among the officers-commanders that the political leaders did not do anything and do not do it. That in the military do not understand anything. In the Strategic Missile Forces, the political officer of the missile regiment must pass an exam for admission to independent duty and take over the database with the first combat crew number. In the air defense the same picture. Yes, and in the other kinds of troops the same. How are these facts?

Here is what officer S.Ivannikov writes: “Yes, my specialty is the deputy commander of a separate radar company for educational work, and according to the combat schedule, all the officers-tutors, as well as I, occupied ANY combat post that needed to be filled. I can still work, for example, as an IKO operator on 19-6. ”.

Or here's the guard writes private M .: “I don’t remember any offensive nicknames about our politician. An adult, looks are by no means heroic, just slightly below average height. I never "got" us. I checked the results of the year and easily ran 10km with us, although I could not run, not that company officers, platoon platters — they never ran with us, they always did their own work. ”.

 political officers wear uniforms, shoulder straps, but what is their role, responsibility, conscience, honesty?
Writes graduate of the WPA them. V.I. Lenin, officer Petros Nersesyan: “Where, at the head of the unit, the connection was an intelligent, educated commander, there the deputy commander correctly found his place. And the fact that disgraceful officers met among political workers, since political workers did not fall from the moon. They are from our native society with all the vices. However, as the commanders, and the police. I consider changing the status of political politicians to be the deepest mistake. It was necessary to fundamentally reform this institution, but not to break everything and everything. Happy anniversary of the WPA, dear colleagues. I have the honor. One cannot but agree with him.

Or here's another. Already a young officer, A. Terebinov, writes: “The commander makes him do, and the commander explains to the soldier why this is necessary. If the commander can not force - bad. If a person does not understand why he is doing something - also not better. Commander will always be. And who will explain to people the need to properly and honestly fulfill their duty? ”. Isn't it true! And this is the officer of the new generation. It is good that among young officers there are responsible people.

Here is a statement by another officer: “And there were conscientious pahari political workers, who, not sparing their stomachs, fulfilled these duties. But .... it was not those who, according to the letter of the statutory duties of the political leader "directed, strengthened, paid attention and intensified" and so on, but those who performed these duties according to the principle "do as I" enjoyed respect. And if 100% political workers served according to this principle, the institute of political agencies would not collapse overnight because of its uselessness at the beginning of 90, since it would be needed ... ". And this statement has the right to exist.

But the opinion of the head of the political department of the anti-aircraft missile regiment of the air defense forces, a graduate of the WPA them. V.Lenin Matveychuk Valeriy: “Today, the Armed Forces do not need an institute of task guards, secretly under the engineers of soldiers and officers' souls.

But real engineers of human souls oh how needed and this role will be successfully performed by representatives of religious denominations. ”

General statements of participants in disputes on the subject of the article - offended people are speaking on both sides. The author of these lines also had a negative experience of communication with political workers at the level of the deputy head of the political department. However, this fact does not give the right to indiscriminately transfer negative experience to all political workers. As well as among commanders and engineers, among political workers there were, are and will be different people, the flesh of flesh is a product of society. Society. Here is the basis.

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  1. mitrich
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    14 May 2011 13: 12
    The army has always been, is and will be cases of massacre, hazing, etc. The army is a collective of young men temporarily (voluntarily or not) torn off from their mother's tits and folder wallet. As in any team, there are conflicts. In the "House-2", too, over the past year, "build relationships", but can not build. Let anyone remember himself in kindergarten, school, vocational school, institute, but anywhere - everywhere conflicts take place. Everywhere there are chmyrs and various fucked up people whom the rest of the civilian public does not dunk their heads in the toilet just because they do not sleep with them in the same barracks.
    However, in the modern Russian army, the most powerless person is an officer. Try to restore order in the unit entrusted to you like a man, if the fighters of a normal human language do not understand or refuse to understand it, especially those whose service life is at an end. Immediately snot, complaints (everyone’s cell phone), Committee of Soldiers' Mothers with unclear powers, prosecutor’s office, court, prison (for an officer, of course). Survived - the officers began to fear their subordinates. It is necessary to give the commander the right, and not mentors in uniform for the younger generation.
  2. nnz226
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    14 May 2011 14: 26
    The title is from a song from the Soviet period; you can type and find out the author of words in any search engine. A moral and political education in the army is necessary. The Russian army won only when the soldiers knew what they were fighting for. World War I led the empire to collapse, precisely because the mass of soldiers did not understand the purpose of the war and for 1 years was tired of senseless shedding of their blood. In the Great Patriotic War, soldiers knew what they were fighting for, and although blood spilled many times more, no one stuck bayonets in the ground, didn’t go fraternize with the Germans, and ended the war in Berlin, rolling the Wehrmacht into a thin-thin pancake.
  3. Sirius
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    14 May 2011 16: 48
    nnz226,
    I absolutely agree.
  4. Ottosc
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    15 May 2011 10: 57
    Zampolitians are a nettle seed, a weed from which they still cannot get rid. Atavism. You take any of them by the gills, but look at him. Only carefully! You will see a worthless creature that is not needed neither by the family, nor the Motherland, nor the army. Maybe earlier they were some kind of special, heroically knocking on commanders, sincerely pounding soldiers, not sparing their lives the guns about a bright future, basically, according to the party, Lenin distributed apartments, furniture, etc. In general, a lot of things were done well. And now the principle in the army is this: if you are no good, then there is only one road - to the political leaders.
    1. 0
      26 May 2020 17: 17
      Quote: OttoSc
      Zampolitians are nettle seed, weed, ...

      Weeds are like you. All over the world there are political officers in the army, but only in Russia are weeds? Why would you have such a perverted opinion about the Russian army?
  5. mitrich
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    16 May 2011 03: 38
    I strongly recommend to all colleagues interested in the topic, especially nnz226 and Sirius, to find a video of the working dialogue between the commander of the Samara nuclear submarine of the Guard Captain 1st Rank Roman Shchuria and the head of the educational work department of the 10th anti-aircraft division of the nuclear submarine (Kamchatka) Sergey Bondarenko ... This wonderful conversation clearly shows how the army and navy love and respect their commissars. Taking this opportunity, I want to say: Roman is a real MAN! So many times in my life I wanted to say about the same thing, but I pissed that I express my support to him, at least so, incognito. Since all this has come out, I recommend it to everyone again!
  6. AZER
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    16 May 2011 18: 58
    http://video.mail.ru/mail/soldierfortune59/174/17997.html
    Here I have found. Honestly, it sounds a bit overtly, but very menacing.
  7. mitrich
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    16 May 2011 19: 31
    AZER,
    Imagine a group of young and not so much men who returned from a campaign on the Day of the Navy, which NOBODY met. I am not a submariner, but I suppose that every trip to the sea is like the last for them. Imagine that you have returned from the war, and even your mother does not meet you at the door. Here, as one character from the movie "They Fought for the Motherland" used to say - "you will not only conquer, but you will also bark like a dog." PS And please change your nickname, if not difficult.
  8. AZER
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    17 May 2011 11: 03
    Yes, I understand everything, because he is also a seaman - a reserve sailor, my father and grandfather are generally naval officers, but, unfortunately, not submariners. I am perfectly aware of the wonderful tradition associated with meeting a submarine from a campaign - a pig there and all that. But do you know what a Navy DAY is for the same chief of the educational department of a division? Yes, he had his whole ass in soap a month before that. There are so many things to do and take into account that this capraz and its nuclear submarine "Samara" simply were not included in the number of priorities. After all, there were probably a lot of admirals at the holiday, God forbid, disgrace themselves. But the sailors are also right in their own way, they should have met and congratulated them. Here's how to judge?
    One thing I know for sure - this video was not supposed to get on the Internet. For people of purely civilian nature it was a shock, yet he is a naval officer - a model of dignity and honor. You and I know how military personnel, and even more so officers of the Russian Army and Navy (and we are even proud of it), can masterfully swear, and the rest is better to never hear such things intended purely for official use.
  9. AZER
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    17 May 2011 11: 15
    Oh yes, and about Nick. To begin with, I note that I am completely Russian and proud of it. However, I was born in the glorious city of Baku, and even at a time when Azerbaijan was part of a great power - the USSR. I found a time when ethnicity did not in any way affect the attitude of people from other nations. But I found another time ... Do you understand what events I'm talking about. Therefore, I now live in Astrakhan, where different ethnic groups are also already starting to look askance at each other, and we have about 150 of them (!).
    Nickname "AZER" is due only to the fact that my small homeland remained somewhere there - on the left bank of the Caspian Sea in a now foreign country. At the same time, believe that I am a patriot of Russia no less than you.
  10. Vladimir
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    17 May 2011 11: 32
    Political workers are different. There were those who went to combat with groups in the most dangerous raids in Afghanistan, there were those who, with their effeminacy, infuriated commanders. But on my way there were more worthy ones. The commander is, in principle, the support and support of the commander. If he is sensible, he is not afraid of soldiers and is competent in military terms. If he only reads political information and talks about party and government policies (which, in principle, must be done), then love him therefore, political work in aviation used to be like a social burden on a professional pilot.
    I watched the video of this captain.
    There, on the forum, one officer correctly wrote - "he must be expelled from the fleet. He has nothing to do with principle. He is a drunken hysterical comrade who publicly violates the Charter and discipline. Moreover, the boat was not on a military campaign, but was sailing from the docks, where If you are such a principled officer, you think that you have scolded your honor and the honor of the crew, sober up, go to the political officer later and beat his face in the face. As is customary for Russian officers. To throw tantrums in front of subordinates is not a captain, but a nervous one and hysterical person. Imagine how he talks with his subordinates. Now they will shove him up to the tomatoes, will crawl on his knees asking for forgiveness, making excuses, then look at this brave captain mowing under Marinesco. "
    I have nothing to add to these correct words.
  11. mitrich
    0
    17 May 2011 11: 52
    VLADIMIR,
    You are more fortunate in life than Schuria or me.
    1. Vladimir
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      17 May 2011 12: 40
      When a young political officer came to my unit, I tested him for elementary knowledge of Combat Regulations, mate and command skills. He ordered to eliminate the gaps in knowledge within a certain period of time. Slowly he was dragged into military service. He drove with him, put in place of the sergeant as the head of the firing on participation, trained the BMP in driving and made him start shooting perfectly well. There was a lot more, but I told him if you will be inferior to the platoon commander in knowledge of the combined arms - I will come out with the initiative to remove you. After half a year of intensive study, he could, on equal terms, organize this or that combat situation on the training ground or on the maps. It's not about luck, but about exactingness. And not to drink with the political officer, especially the young, turn exclusively to YOU. Until he becomes a "full-fledged" officer without complexes. Then he got into Afghan, received the order, graduated from the VPA, went to the chief divisional psychologist, still call on the phone.
      In our time, half a liter of high-ranking workers were harmless; they only tore their own people. Unless, of course, there were no special failures in the combat and political studies of the unit. Modern "psychologists" are 3 heads lower than those political workers, because they do not know what and how to do. There is no ideology, there is no party work, there is only the old, Soviet approach, based on I don’t know on what, incomprehensible guidelines in the work of commissioners-psychologists and the narrowing of tasks to control of hazing and formal replies to the top, there is a modern soldier and problems that young graduates of political institutions are not able to solve.
  12. mitrich
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    17 May 2011 13: 05
    VLADIMIR,
    Your political officer received the order, I hope, for the courage and heroism shown, as it was said then, while performing the "international duty" in the DRA-RA, in other words, for behaving like a MAN, and not for his educational conversations with soldiers ( Where were they then only held? Is that in Kabul?). We are talking with you about something completely different. There are no training officers in any army in the world (I mean not the Papuans), there are military psychologists, chaplains, and they work with a soldier if the need arises. Why should we be different? Why do we need all these Starokoni, if all responsibility is on the commander? And, finally, no offense will be told to you - before everything was better, because "stood" (not directed at you). If you do not agree, let everyone remain unconvinced.
    1. Vladimir
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      17 May 2011 13: 59
      No, I agree. Then there was an ideology, a party, etc. And you must carry out this line of the party and ideology, explain, explain, and take off. Partially, the Institute of Political Workers fully justified itself, especially during the Great Patriotic War. Then, throughout of time, right up to the collapse, they either kicked or elevated them. Regarding military officers, my opinion is that they are needed. The chaplain is the same educator, the psychologist is there. No matter what you call him, it’s important that he is engaged in a specific business, not interfere with the commander, but supplement him. I would everywhere introduce the practice of educational and psychological work as a social burden, only with a good payment for this additional work and increase its prestige. I would entrust this matter to authoritative officers-commanders, and not to 5-year-old prisoners who had been taught incompletely what they taught there. the basics of the psychology of the individual and the collective is for scientific works and verbiage of experts from society. For the troops it is necessary to prepare a completely different psychologist on a different scientific basis. You can just optionally tell the psychology of a soldier, inviting officers or soldiers with experience in participating in military / military conversations, the psychology should be applied, and not ornately - incomprehensible as in the book. , in my opinion - this is a good (excellent) military specialist in the first place, and only then a psychologist, chaplain, commissioner or mass media entertainer. All current educator-psychologists are obliged to go through participation in the military, fortunately, unfortunately, Since there is where to teach them. Then this same psychology will be applied, from a direct participant. In general, it would be necessary to teach the principles of practical military psychology to the same future commander’s commander in general military psychology, and when distributing, appoint someone platoon and company psychologist. The base is a combined-arms officer, and psychology is already tuning. Yes, political labor schools and institutes could be reduced if a training system for psychologists in combined-arms military colleges were built. This is exclusively my opinion, based on but personal experience.