Tiger vs iveco

The Russian army can get Italian Iveco LMV M65 armored vehicles. The SKD assembly, according to the Ministry of Defense, is planned to be carried out at KAMAZ. But the domestic car of a similar class - the famous GAZ-233036 "Tiger" - is already in service with the Russian army.

According to experts, the cars have differences, including armor protection.

Victor Korablin, candidate of military sciences, says that the 6 class of protection, which is available in some places on an Italian car, can better protect against a rifle bullet, if there is talk of short distances. If the firing distance is 200-300 meters, then one and the second machine will reliably protect the crew of the armored car from rifle bullets used for firing from sniper rifles and machine guns.

In addition, different technologies are used in Iveco and Tigre to ensure the safety of the landing force and the crew. In the domestic car this is an all-welded armored capsule, in the Iveco LMV M65 it is a ceramic armor. According to experts, the ceramic sheets are bolted to the frame of the car. In their opinion, the joints of ceramic armor plates are a kind of “Achilles heel” of this machine.

Korablin notes that the joints of doors and enclosures, niche door locks are areas that are weakened by armor. Thus, in Iveco, there is no solid protection from ceramic armor plates.

Also have differences and the device of the car. The Iveco has a mass of bulkheads inside. The commander and driver of the armored car are isolated from the rest of the crew.

In the domestic car there are no obstacles for communication - any of the fighters can take the driver's seat without leaving the “Tiger”. The Iveco LMV M65 itself is smaller and designed to carry 5 people, including the driver. Tiger can carry 8 passengers, not including the driver. Inside the “Italian” car, comfortable seats are installed, GAZ-233036 has simpler seats, but they are more functional.

Korablin noted that if you push the chairs in the troop compartment of a domestic car, you can easily use them as a bed, you can transport the wounded to them. In addition, the small backs of the commander’s and driver’s seats make it possible to quickly replace people, if necessary.

It is not known what the future of the “Italian” in Russia will be. But now, experts are focusing on the fact that, even if production of Italian armored vehicles at KAMAZ is established, Russia may be dependent on deliveries of components from abroad. And regarding the "defense" this factor was previously considered unacceptable.

Korablin emphasizes that in the Russian army is already at the present time a great disunity. And in the case of foreign machines, in which other components and not a single spare part are suitable for our equipment, this can cause serious harm. In his opinion, Russia needs to develop its equipment and build a complex of machines that would use one chassis.

But the Russian Federation has already reached an agreement with Italy on the purchase of ten armored vehicles. Moreover, already at the end of 2011, the first Iveco could get off the KAMAZ conveyor.

Comments

[Escander]

Armed with foreign technology = turning into a banana republic.

[Vladimir]

Article by an incompetent author, another critic.
Berlusconi has a very close relationship with Iveco. This is a gift to our lobbyist for South Stream. In a crisis, prevent the military wing of Iveco from falling. This is - 1. Second, - 10 cars do not make any weather, they will be disassembled at the research institute training ground, everything is technological - the advanced will be borrowed, then collected and sold to businessmen for hunting. A couple will be left in the army, in the south, for testing in extreme mountain conditions, temperature extremes and in combat conditions. The most important thing is that Iveco's production adjustment is not intended for deliveries to the Russian army, but for export to the CIS Armed Forces - there are already preliminary agreements with the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, etc., as well as to the Near, Middle and Far East - Iran, China in particular.

[Forward]

Vladimir,
I agree . This is more of a political decision. Not a weak stake in Iveco is owned by Berlusconi from there and the wind blows

[Vladimir]

By the way. Mistral is also a gift. But now Sarkozy. Rather, his Karlushenka. For defending our interests in the EU during and after the war with Georgia, which he carried out to the last comma. He even shouted at the Hague court when the Georgians filed a lawsuit there. The Hague dismissed the lawsuit. Behind closed doors, he was then offered to support the French military-industrial complex, having bought, for example, Mistral (thanks to the Foreign Intelligence Service), he made rounded eyes, swallowed with pleasure and drove into Tiflis to persuade Saakashvili to accept our conditions on the way calling Karlushka. And he accepted all the conditions of Russia. This is to those who bang their heads on the corner of the table and shout that we killed our navy and military production. By the way, not a penny from the state budget will go to Mistral - the oligarch was politely asked to help the Motherland, he agreed with great pleasure .Even with this, tityjq of joy himself offered to buy 2 troughs, and not one. For this, they patted him approvingly on the stooped back.

[WADIM]

)))) I wonder what kind of oligarch? Something is not hard to believe ...

[Vladimir]

By the way. Mistral is also a gift. But now Sarkozy. Rather, his Karlushenka. For defending our interests in the EU during and after the war with Georgia, which he carried out to the last comma. He even shouted at the Hague court when the Georgians filed a lawsuit there. The Hague dismissed the lawsuit. Behind closed doors, he was then offered to support the French military-industrial complex, having bought, for example, Mistral (thanks to the Foreign Intelligence Service), he made rounded eyes, swallowed with pleasure and drove into Tiflis to persuade Saakashvili to accept our conditions on the way calling Karlushka. And he accepted all the conditions of Russia. This is to those who bang their heads on the corner of the table and shout that we killed our navy and military production. By the way, not a penny from the state budget will go to Mistral - the oligarch was politely asked to help the Motherland, he agreed with great pleasure .Even with this, tityjq of joy himself offered to buy 2 troughs, and not one. For this, they patted him approvingly on the stooped back.

[Vladimir]

By the way. Mistral is also a gift. But now Sarkozy. Rather, his Karlushenka. For defending our interests in the EU during and after the war with Georgia, which he carried out to the last comma. He even shouted at the Hague court when the Georgians filed a lawsuit there. The Hague dismissed the lawsuit. Behind closed doors, he was then offered to support the French military-industrial complex, having bought, for example, Mistral (thanks to the Foreign Intelligence Service), he made rounded eyes, swallowed with pleasure and drove into Tiflis to persuade Saakashvili to accept our conditions on the way calling Karlushka. And he accepted all the conditions of Russia. This is to those who bang their heads on the corner of the table and shout that we killed our navy and military production. By the way, not a penny from the state budget will go to Mistral - the oligarch was politely asked to help the Motherland, he agreed with great pleasure .Even with this, tityjq of joy himself offered to buy 2 troughs, and not one. For this, they patted him approvingly on the stooped back.

[Joker]

The prime minister promised that only samples of domestic development will be massively purchased (that is, it is possible to purchase foreign in limited quantities for testing and arming special units). We will see.

[Petrol]

In the course of your government in Russia, either traitors ... or ...

[mitrich]

Do you know how this story unfolded with the acquisition of Iveco LMV M65? Last summer, 2010, the former Deputy Defense Minister V. Popovkin, being in France at the Eurosatori-2010 arms exhibition, planned to conclude a contract for the supply of the Iveco Super Italian armored car to the Russian Federation, a really very good vehicle. However, the Italians refused him, explaining the refusal by the fact that the armored vehicle for our soldiers would be too difficult to control. We were counted as monkeys ... And they immediately offered instead of the M65, an armored car of the same class as the "Tiger", only supposedly with better armor protection of the car body (which our specialists strongly doubt, having measured the thickness of the ceramic armor; the Italians forbade checking the car with a shot ).
The cars compared in the article are about the same (even outwardly very similar), the Tiger, however, showed the best cross-country ability in tests. Another question is that at the price of purchasing and assembling 1800 "Iveco" at KAMAZ, more than 5000 armored vehicles "Tiger" and "Wolf" could be built.
In general, the article did not like. Some kind of unprofessional and one-sided she turned out from the author.

[Joker]

Compared to Tiger and Iveco, there is an excellent article on this site, everything is very well written.

For example, ceramic inserts armor 10 by 10 centimeters can not be considered the chiral armor of the whole machine.

[huginn]

By the way, the polyethylene substrate of the armored panels at subzero temperatures turns them from protection into a coating.

[slan]

In the opinion of the amateur, Iveco drains it dry, especially considering the price. But surely there are interesting technologies there and it is not known which policy is behind these conversations, it is a no brainer that they are buying not equipment, but Berlusconi. I see nothing bad by definition in this, the same applies to Mistral. And it’s not a fact that they bought our own, sawing and laundering, even without high-profile dubious transactions. No one will ever voice real goals ..

[Yeah]

"Russia may turn out to be dependent on supplies of components from abroad" - and in the case of the Tiger, on which amerovsky engine how?

[Joker]

At the moment, in addition to Pendosovsky, there are two more options for our dvigla, I don’t remember the parameters offhand, but I’ve googled all the diesel engines.

By box - one of our mechanics, as well as automatic and mechanics, whether Czech or German, so this issue can be considered closed.

[Dvu.ru-shnik]

The engine was originally Brazilian, now the Tigers have begun to put their tractor.

[SMERSH]

guys drag us to slaughter! This is a fact, hundreds of evidence! Even voting for others, they will still be in power. Unih program, the conveyor will not stop.

[huginn]

The 3rd defense class for Tiger was defined in the ToR precisely by the RF Ministry of Defense. For example, for the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation supplied cars "Tiger" GAZ-233036, made on the 5th class of protection.

[Joker]

In addition, an improved body has been developed, with the same thickness of the armor (and correspondingly weight) it provides something like a 6-7 protection class, if I am not mistaken.

[Dvu.ru-shnik]

The Ministry of Internal Affairs is in greater danger than our soldier in combat conditions. In war, shotguns are fired, and gangsters and XNUMX howitzers in the gateway of disassembly conduct ...

[oper66]

why are you missing - you are talking about the Ministry of Internal Affairs if you know how many employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs died in ambush and ambush while clearing terrain and spetsukhs in the woods and hills, stop this chatter shame on you men earn cheap credibility from the crowd

[Vadimburan]

Although, it should be the other way around. It is less likely that police will be shot from 7,62 * 54 and other heavy weapons

[CARTRIDGE]

we need to restore our military-industrial complex, and not to bring it from behind the hillock! besides, we will not be sold all the most modern, but they will push the old stuff away and tear off like the modern one. with this karet it’s not entirely clear why to buy something similar and inferior in some respects (especially at a price ) car ...

[SOLDIERru]

Definitely for the Italian army, IVECO will be preferable, and for the armed forces of the Russian Federation, the Tiger. Although personally I do not find any other sample is particularly good.

In my opinion, one should not rush to accept new types of weapons that do not have serious advantages over what is already there. But if they, nevertheless, are put into service, then they should be introduced in large numbers. Otherwise, anarchy in supply will sharply reduce the combat effectiveness of the armed forces. In the meantime, there will be much more sense if you bring to a normal technical condition equipment that is already being operated by the troops.

[WADIM]

Let Iveco not be put into service .... many Russian analogues are already being designed, and the Lynx will indeed be disassembled and assembled and tested ... Many Russian analogues are already being designed The Tiger is being designed, the Wolf is the same, a Typhoon is being designed on Kamaz after the Typhoon. another Ivekov armored car .... Google yourself you will find in the internet. http://www.usedcars.ru/russkiy-tyuning/super-novyy-rossiyskiy-broneavtomobil-kam

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On the other hand, how good it is that the Ministry of Defense has been breaking down for so long .... All the "effective managers" started fussing at once .... So then we need to make these dorms work!

Here's another .... monster ... http: //smi2.ru/Iskander_Alechandro/c765137/? Comm_id = 1650109

[Vadimburan]

If our weapons are worse than foreign ones, does this give you the right to buy abroad? It is necessary to develop your own.
As far as I know, the Tiger is better at everything and cheaper than Iveco ... In addition, production lines are already available. I conclude: someone wants to warm their hands on this matter
Iveco has interfering frame reinforcement tubes in the cabin. And in the Tiger it’s spacious and comfortable

[LESHA pancake]

HANDS ARE REQUIRING BABLA - I UNDERSTAND.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

if they demolish those half-shirts with a fragment, then you won’t be comfortable

[mpanichkin]

In general, 10 machines are for testing, to rip a shear off of them from different types of weapons. They will see how the swallows behave and compare the trials with the Tiger.
Although for me, the Tiger and Iveco are the same, the Tiger will probably be even better.

[Jrvin]

I’m struck by our fucking MO, there are a lot of groundwork and a lot of ideas, and a bunch of samples that are better than analogues, but no, against all odds, we buy imported ... that's where their eyes and mind are? or for money it’s already possible to buy both officer honor and oath to the motherland?

[Voin sveta82]

in fact ... we have so many ideas, so many smart designers ... and we buy abroad ??))) Shame ..... and shame ...

[Pixel]

When striking from the front of the chest of a seated man from the back, I won’t envy facing such an impressive chipper.