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Kvass as it is



The main battle heavy tank KV-1C is well known to fans of the on-line World of Tanks game under the somewhat frivolous nickname KVAS. This car is very fond of the numerous horned individuals with whom this game is densely populated. Also, this tank is a tool of serious bending in the hands of skill players. Such popularity KVAS owes its extremely high performance characteristics, which allow this tank to create such that no other tank will ever allow. A fun car, which is perhaps the most perfect unit among all the famous tanks of the game, excluding premium cars. Yes, and among the prem-tanks, one can argue with KVAS in terms of efficiency, perhaps only not quite the “legitimate” Chinese Type-59, nicknamed “Type”. Both of these devices look very cool, as befits the winning technique. The article will focus on the eldest of them.

So, KV-1C. In fact, it turns out that the real performance characteristics of KVAS in the game is even somewhat understated. In fact, he was even steeper, even more powerful, even more terrible. Starting with the modification of the KV-85, KVAS could fight Tigers and Panthers on equal terms. In the version of KV-100 and KV-122, this unit could easily turn into scrap metal and Tiger-II with Jagtigr. The article will review these three recent modifications of KVAS. It will consider its advantages and disadvantages in relation to the enemy vehicles of that period and give a general assessment of this interesting machine, which clearly unfairly remained in the shadow of simpler and cheaper T-34-85 and EC-2.

HF-85 (239 object). Appeared in August 1943. 148 units were released, which took an active part in the battles against the German occupiers. Designed on the basis of tanks KV-1С and KV-85Г.



The tank has the largest dimensions among all domestic tanks of the period to the end of the 2МВ, excluding the KV-2, T-35 and some prototypes. The dimensions of the KV-85 are approximately at the level of the Tiger, which predetermined the excellent ergonomics of the tank, the space and convenience of the crew members, which, in turn, had a very positive effect on its effectiveness in battle. The hull of the tank is made of sheets of rolled armor of various thickness. In order to save a lot, without squeezing the tank size to absurdity (as was done with the EC-2), the designers very carefully approached the tank reservation scheme. Frontal parts are located at significant angles of inclination, which significantly increases the equivalent level of spall resistance. The lower frontal sheet has a thickness 60mm at an angle 25 ° to the vertical. Given that, according to statistics, this place has no more than 1% hits, this protection NLD was considered quite sufficient. The middle frontal sheet (“step” with a thickness of 50 mm) was placed at an extremely large angle of inclination to the vertical - 70 °. Not a single armor-piercing projectile of that period was designed to overcome an armored obstacle located at such an angle. At the same time, in contrast to the same Tigra, the “step” of the SLD KV-85 covers approximately 40% of the frontal projection of the hull. The upper frontal part 75 mm thick is located at an angle of 30 °. To enhance the VLD, an 25-mm screen can be mounted on it, as a result of which the total thickness of the VLD tank KV-85 armor reaches 75mm + 25mm = 100mm / 30 ° = 115mm. For comparison: in the Panther, the WFD 80 mm thick was located at an angle 55 °, which gives the equivalent of 139 mm, but the Panther does not have an impenetrable “step”. The armor of the forehead of the Tiger's body in mm 100 is almost vertically clearly worse than that of the KV-85 and Panther. In general, the reservation of the forehead of the KV-85 case, although it seems at first glance rather flimsy, in fact turns out to be rather “lousy” and formidable.

The sides of the tank hull are arranged vertically and have a thickness of 60 mm. This is, of course, less than that of the Tigger (82 mm), but significantly more than the Panthers comparable in mass to the KV-85 (40-50 mm). The fenders are fastened to the sides, on which the spare parts boxes and additional fuel tanks are located. Bent forage sheet also has a thickness of 60 mm, which is again very good. For example, in Panther, the stern's armor is all mm 40, albeit at an angle. Tiger feeds are better protected (80 mm). Here KV-85 was in the middle. The tank has a very powerful protection of the upper hemisphere and armor plates with a thickness of up to 40 mm. This almost excluded the possibility of defeating KVAS with automatic cannon fire even on the most powerful attack aircraft. The armor roofs of the Tigers and Panthers are about two times weaker. The bottom of the tank - 30 mm. The normal figure for tanks of this type. It can also be noted that the protection of the KVAS hull, aft, roof and bottom of the hull is quite on the level of modern T-72, T-80 and T-90 tanks. A rotating tower is installed on the roof of the hull with a forward displacement. The KVAS tower had the best ballistic form among all the tank towers in the world until the appearance of the heavy tank EC-3. In terms of dimensions, it was larger than the Panther Tower and approximately at the same level as the Tiger Tower. The spacious and comfortable KVAS tower at the same time has a very powerful booking - 100 mm in a circle and the roof is 40 mm thick. This is significantly more powerful than his German opponents. For example, the Tigris tower had a frontal part 100 mm thick. The armor of the sides and the stern was 82 mm, and the roofs 28 mm. The Panther looked even worse here. The forehead is 100-110 mm, but the board and the stern are 45 mm, and the roof is just 17 mm. Summing up, it can be stated that booking KVAS with a tank mass in 46 tons was at the level of a Tigger weighing 57 tons and much more powerful than the Panther of approximately the same mass - 46,5 tons. At the same time, unlike the EC-2, the space inside the KV-85 was no less than in German cats. Inside, the tank is divided into three sections: a control unit, a combat compartment, and a military hardware. In the department of management is the place of the driver. His chair is located in the center of the case as it is done in the modern MBT. At the disposal of the driver there are levers and pedals to control the movement of the tank, a set of instrumentation, cylinders with compressed air and fire extinguishers. The driver is observing through two periscopic devices MK-4 and through the reticule slot located in the hatch on the WLD. In non-combat conditions, the flap can open up and the driver can observe directly through his opening. Landing on the site of the driver is comfortable and does not cause any complaints. A headlight located on the front of the hull is used to illuminate the road at night. For driving in the dark under combat conditions, the driver can use an active infrared night vision device TSC-8. In this case, the headlight is replaced by an infrared illuminator. In the German tanks, the landing of the mechanic is significantly hampered by the nearby transmission, and the T-34-85 has a very low ceiling. To the left of the driver's seat, there is a ball mount with an 7,62-mm DT machine gun, equipped with a PU optical sight. The fire from a machine gun can lead any passenger who appeared in the tank in battle. In the fighting compartment in the turret, the main toy of the gunner was installed: the 85 mm threaded D-5T gun and the DT machine gun 7,62 mm coaxed with it. The gun has a barrel-monoblock and semi-automatic wedge bolt. Flow angles from -5 ° to + 25 ° degrees vertically and 360 ° horizontally. Guidance horizontally electrical and manual mechanical drives vertically. Due to the space and convenience of the loader, the firing rate reached 8 rounds per minute. For example, the much closer T-34-85 with a similar artillery system, as a rule, could not develop more than 4-5 shots per minute.

For firing, armor-piercing, armor-piercing-snapping, fragmentation and caric missiles are used. The initial speed of the BR-365P sub-caliber projectile reached 1050 / s. Armor-piercing and armor-piercing-snapping shells allowed KVAS to reliably hit the German Tigers and Panthers into a frontal projection at a distance of up to 1000. If the Tiger inadvertently substituted the board, the 85 mm KV-85 blank could have been fatal for him from a distance of 1500 meters, and the Panther in general was vulnerable in almost the same range of aimed fire. For the sake of fairness, it must be said that for KVAS 75 mm and 88 mm the shells of the Germans also represented a great danger, and therefore the results of the battles between these machines were determined by the degree of crew training and just good luck. Behind the commander’s seat in the back of the turret was another ball mount with an 7,62-mm DT machine gun. The tank commander could fire from it or use a huge 12,7 mm anti-aircraft gun DShK mounted on the roof of the commander's turret at will. The commanders of the German tanks until the end of the war were deprived of such toys.

Mindful of the Achilles heels of the early domestic tanks - poor visibility, the designers tried to provide the crew of KVAS with everything necessary. The gunner located to the left of the gun had two sights to search for and destroy a target. 10T-15 telescopic sight (on some telescopic articulated TSH-16) and PT4-15 periscope sight. The head of the periscopic sight went to the roof of the tower. Periscopic sight could be used to control the surrounding panorama. For shooting from closed positions, the gunner had a side level. The maximum range of the KV-85 in ACS mode was about 13 kilometers. For comparison, the German tank gunners always had only one sight. By design, KVAS sights were no worse than German ones, although in German, Zeiss glass of very high quality was used. Not deprived and commander KVAS. Not only did he, like the Germans, have a commander's turret with six triplexes above his head, but his main device was a wide-angle periscope MK-360 rotating on 4 °, which allowed the KVAS commander to timely detect the target while being protected by armor. The same device had a loader. In addition, there was one reticle in the sides of the tower. The commanders of the German tanks up to the Royal Tiger had only a fixed turret with several viewing devices and poorly controlled the situation from inside the tank. This forced the commanders of German tanks to often pop out of the hatch with binoculars as a result of which many of them became victims of shrapnel or sniper fire. The saturation of the KVAS observation and aiming devices was at the level of the best American and British cars, but the quality of the glass itself, of course, was slightly worse. Ammunition of the tank 70 85-mm shells and 3276 7,62-mm ammunition. Another very important point - communication and team control. KVAS had a TPU-4-bis tank intercom and 10РК radio station. The radio station was serviced exclusively by the commander, which made it possible to exclude the radio operator from the crew, reserving his place either for a passenger or for a wounded man. In German tanks, the radio station was served by a separate crew member, which often entailed communication problems.

By command controllability, KVAS is again better than the Germans. The MTO is equipped with a X-NUMX-cylinder, V-shaped diesel engine of liquid cooling B-12K with a power of 2л.с. With the engine interlocked 600-x speed manual with 4-x speed demultiplier. The friction clutches theoretically allowed the tank to make a smooth turn with any radius, but in practice they were not very reliable. In principle, the same can be said about German cars. In general, the unreliable transmission, coupled with the high cost and complexity in production, were the reasons why KVAS could not become the first main battle tank in the world, giving way to the middle T-2-34. The chassis of KVAS is approximately the same as used on modern MBT T-85 and T-64 / 72 with the only difference that the KVAS support rollers did not have rubber bands and internal depreciation. Torsion bar suspension. The running gear included six support rollers, three supporting rollers, a sloth, and a drive sprocket with a caterpillar skid. To present its design, it is enough to look at the undercarriage of the T-90 tank. A steel caterpillar with an open hinge included 72-86 tracks for each branch. The high power of the diesel engine and moderate weight allowed KVAS to accelerate quickly and reach speeds of 90km / h. It was larger than that of the Tiger, and larger than even many medium tanks of that period. The panther was faster (up to 43km / h), but could only reach that speed along an ideal road, and again, according to the dynamics of acceleration, it was worse than KVAS. The advantages of German tanks before the KV-55 include the ease of controlling their movement. The levers and pedals of the KVAS manual transmission seemed tugovat to the author. The diesel engine also provided KVAS with a large power reserve and lower fire hazard. Supply of fuel 85 l main tanks and 615 l in external tanks. The tiger, especially on the roads with full tanks, could not drive 360 km. The patency of the KV-100 was better than that of foreign tanks, and the suspension itself was strong and reliable in comparison with the hypercomplex systems of German cats. Later, with some changes, it migrated to the 85 object, then to the 140 object, until it found itself on well-known T-172 tanks. Thus, the KV-72 was more than an adequate response to German cats, and could well resist Pershing.

KV-122. Variant of KVAS with enhanced firepower.

In the turret of the tank installed a new rifled gun D-25T caliber 122 mm. The gun was deadly accurate (it was more accurate than the 88 mm gun KwK 43 L / 71



Royal Tiger) and the monstrous power of fire. Used shells - armor-piercing BR-471B and high-explosive fragmentation complex OF-471 weighing about 25 kg. Armor-piercing projectiles were quite enough to tear off the turret to almost any existing tank of that time. The range of the Tigers and Panthers was determined by the sighting range of the shooting - about 4000 m. If this was not enough, then it was possible to use the BR-471П armor-piercing-stencils. They left the barrel at an initial speed of 1400 m / s and from the distance of 1 km they could penetrate armor with a thickness of 300 mm. Gun ammunition dropped to 22 art shots. The mass of the tank increased to 48 tons, which resulted in a decrease in maximum speed to 41-42 km / h. The place of the 10Т-15 sight was taken by the TS-17 telescopic zoom 4x. Instead of the PT4-15, the PT4-17 sight with ballistics of 122 mm cannons is installed. Changed ammunition. The remaining characteristics of the tank remained unchanged, although on the prototype at first they put a less powerful engine from the EC-2 (520l.s), but this was a temporary step. This KVAS was already able to effectively deal with any of the heaviest Western tanks at great distances, thanks to the excellent mobility of finding where necessary, but due to the low rate of fire of the 122-mm cannon, the melee was a dangerous undertaking for him.

KV-100. A variant of the main combat KVAS, the predecessor of the 140 and 167 / 172 objects.



This machine is already significantly different from previous models. The 100-mm C-34 high-power rifled gun with a semi-automatic wedge gate is installed in the turret. Vertical flow angles from –3 ° to + 18 ° 30 '. In connection with this reconfigured fighting compartment. Commander's turret moved to the right side. There also moved the commander and the gunner. The charger is located to the left of the gun for easy loading of 100-mm unitary art-shots. The whole range of T-54 and T-55 ammunition fits the tank. The rate of fire gun order 4-6 shots per minute. The mass of the tank 46,5 t. Maximum speed 43 km / h. The remaining characteristics of the tank remained unchanged.

The tanks of the KV-1C family are probably the most breakthrough and vibrant designs of their time, while, perhaps, the most undervalued. In their genes flows more than purebred blood of the famous KV series. One type of these clear steel fighters inspires a sense of confidence and superiority over ridiculous enemy cuttlefish. Go to the development of domestic armored personnel carriers along this “branch”, and T-72 with T-10 might appear much earlier. But these plans, unfortunately, did not come true. As with any premium technology, these machines differed in complexity and high price with the reliability issues that were not fully resolved. At some other time, these devices would probably be developed, but not during the Great Patriotic War. The Red Army needed a simple and cheap tank, a car-soldier. They and steel T-34-85 and EC-2.

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  1. EvilLion
    EvilLion 12 May 2014 08: 39
    -5
    D-25T the exact fluff? Here is the first time I hear. IS is the development of HF, so it is not clear what the author is hysterical about, while there is no question of any increase in booking without reducing the mass of parts, or the miraculous appearance of a more compact and economical motor.
    C-34 at the time of the appearance of the IS-2 was still not ready, and as tests have shown, there is an increase in BC on the 1 shot, and tossing long unitary shells with handles in a cramped tank is less than average pleasure, unlike the current fools protesting against AZ, the grandfathers in the design bureau and on the front line clearly saw that the rate of fire did not increase, but the German armor of medium-caliber shells holds well (The 85 mm gun’s score is good for veterans, but it’s doubtful to beat a striped one per kilometer). And in general, the bunkers were broken primarily by the bunkers, the landmine is more obligatory for them.
  2. Crang
    12 May 2014 08: 48
    +42
    Quote: EvilLion
    D-25T accurate down? Here is the first time I hear.

    Are you a friend in WoT outplayed? Here, in general, the article describes the real, not gaming characteristics of the KV-1C tank.
    Accuracy of battle in 85-mm and 122-mm rifled guns D5T-85 and D-25, which were equipped with tanks IS-1, KV-85 and IS-2, KV-122 was quite high. So, the average deviation of a 122-mm armor-piercing projectile from the aiming point when firing from a standpoint at a distance of 1000 m vertically did not exceed 170 mm, and horizontally - 270 mm Almost the same characteristics had best german 88-mm rifled gun KwK 43, tank T-VIB "Tiger-II" - 260 mm and 210 mm respectively.
    This is the accuracy of the KVAS gun in real life, and not in the game. Learn the materiel.
    1. La-5
      La-5 12 May 2014 12: 18
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      "A new 25 mm D-122T rifled cannon was installed in the turret of the tank. The gun was distinguished by deadly accuracy (it was more accurate than the 88 mm KwK 43 L / 71 Royal Tiger cannon) and monstrous fire power." - it's not true, to put it mildly. The muzzle velocity of the BR-471 projectile fired from the D-25t was 780 m / s, and the PzGr 39/43 projectile of the KwK43 / 71 gun flew at a speed of 1000 m / s, plus the quality of the German shells was much better than the Soviet ones, not to mention the best German sights ... So the Soviet gun could not be more accurate than the German one, it could be on the level, but better not.
      1. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 12 May 2014 12: 37
        +17
        Quote: La-5
        ... this is not true to say the least. The initial velocity of the BR-471 projectile fired from the D-25t was 780 m / s, and the PzGr 39/43 projectile of the KwK43 / 71 gun flew at a speed of 1000 m / s, plus the quality of German shells was significantly better than Soviet ones. So the Soviet gun could not be more accurate than the German, it could be at the level, or better not.

        Power is determined by the formula half-product of the mass of the projectile by the square of its speed. Count and compare yourself. As for the quality of German shells - perhaps you are right (perhaps, but not sure), if you take pre-war German shells, military-made shells were often made from all sorts of "ersatz", and the technology was simplified for the sake of mass production. This is especially evident in the evolution of the 9x19 cartridges, but it was also applied in full to the artillery shell, in the USSR things were better with this problem (due to the absence of problems with materials). So I suppose you are a little mistaken. wink With respect.
        1. La-5
          La-5 12 May 2014 12: 44
          0
          Excuse me, what does the power have to do with it?
        2. La-5
          La-5 12 May 2014 12: 44
          -1
          Excuse me, what does the power have to do with it?
        3. Eragon
          Eragon 13 May 2014 08: 53
          +4
          Learn the material part. What you call "power"correctly call "power". Oddly enough it sounds.
      2. Crang
        12 May 2014 14: 02
        +5
        Quote: La-5
        So the Soviet gun could not be more accurate than the German, it could be at the level, or better not.

        Why? Is the initial speed the only parameter that determines the speed? Don't talk nonsense. At first, the mass of a 122mm projectile is several times greater than the 88mm. Accordingly, the effect of wind and other weather conditions on the flight path of a 122mm projectile will be reflected much less than 88mm. This time. And most importantly - how did the German 88mm projectile fly at such a high speed? At the expense of the long barrel length. You will see in slow motion what happens to the barrel of, say, a Kalashnikov assault rifle when firing. It bends like rubber. Exactly the same thing happened with the German "thin and long" guns. The 122mm KVAS gun was relatively short and at the same time thick, which predetermined its very high rigidity. In combination with heavy shells, this gave excellent accuracy. And thirdly, the BR-471P sub-caliber projectiles left the 122mm KVAS barrel with an initial speed of 1400m / s - where any "Tiger" can reach these figures.
        1. La-5
          La-5 12 May 2014 20: 06
          +1
          Show me the caliber projectile of the D-25t gun during WWII.
          1. Crang
            12 May 2014 20: 22
            +3
            He was not, because then he was simply not needed because and full-time gauge was enough for the eyes. BOPS began to include in the ammunition of the IS-2M, IS-3M, IS-4, T-10, T-10A and T-10B tanks after the appearance of new powerful tanks M60 and M103 in the west.
            1. La-5
              La-5 13 May 2014 15: 44
              +1
              Shine, then what kind of sub-caliber shells are the KVS talking about?
              1. Crang
                13 May 2014 15: 54
                +1
                About BR-471P. The gun is the same.
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        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 7 June 2014 13: 23
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          Quote: Krang
          ammunition shells BR-471P

          Until the end of the war, the only armor-piercing caliber pointed-headed projectile BR-25 was produced for the D-471T.
          And BPS only in 1967 were included in the ammunition of the 122-mm gun M-62-T2, which replaced the D-25t with the T-10m.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 12 May 2014 12: 50
      -12%
      To be honest, I was not interested in the accuracy characteristics of a real gun, but it looks a little like something sniper, a typical concrete gun with a relatively moderate head compared to anti-aircraft guns. projectile speed.
      1. Crang
        12 May 2014 14: 41
        +14
        Concrete breaker can be called a 152mm KV-2 artillery system, but not an excellent 122mm gun of the D-25 series. It was more accurate than any German, and this is a historical fact. Whether you like it or not. In addition, the muzzle energy of this cannon was about twice as high as the "Royal Tiger" cannon and fired sub-caliber projectiles with an initial speed of 1400 m / s, which is where more than the German guns of that period. If you look at the tools of modern MBTs, you will not find any similar to German ones. All exemplary analogues of D-25. For example, 125mm cannons of domestic tanks have a length of 51 gauges (old) or 48 calibers (new). 120mm cannons of western tanks have a length of 44 calibers (old) and 55 calibers (new). That is, approximately at the level of D-25.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 12 May 2014 15: 34
          +2
          The length of the barrel depends on many factors, otherwise they would mold everything on tanks with approximately 70-caliber drina (There is no sense further, as far as I know). In the long-barrel ZiS-2, for example, the barrel, or rather the most complicated technology for its manufacture, was a bottleneck and even an option was proposed to bluntly cut it.

          KV-2 is a pure concrete grinder, there were no other goals for it then, another thing is that even KV-1 barely crawled with the existing engine, so the idea of ​​development did not get, they preferred to make easier self-propelled guns.

          Regarding sub-caliber, the 88 mm itself as an anti-tank weapon appeared just in order to save sub-caliber. Making a bigger gun was easier than supplying industry with scarce tungsten.
    3. Papakiko
      Papakiko 12 May 2014 13: 30
      +3
      Quote: Krang
      Here, in general, the article describes the real, not gaming characteristics of the KV-1C tank.

      Taki KRANG you case non-World Of Tanks ☆ Jove [Virtus.Pro] ???
      The words from the article, the turns of speech are very much from the vocabulary of this vaudela.
      The main battle heavy tank KV-1C is well known to fans of the on-line World of Tanks game under the somewhat frivolous nickname KVAS. This car is very fond of the numerous horned individuals with whom this game is densely populated. This tank is also a tool for serious bending in the hands of skill players. Such popularity KVAS owes its extremely high performance characteristics, which allow you to create on this tank that will never allow any other tank. A fun car, which is perhaps the most perfect unit among all the famous tanks of the game, excluding premium cars.
      And there are not enough words- "Advertising" wink
      Quote: La-5
      The initial velocity of the BR-471 projectile launched from the D-25t was 780 m / s, and the PzGr 39/43 projectile of the KwK43 / 71 gun flew at a speed of 1000 m / s,

      This is all information from open sources (books, sites, etc.)
      Quote: La-5
      plus the quality of German shells was much better than Soviet,

      Cool !!! crying
      Bullshit that the Achilles heel was taunting insufficiency of sub-caliber shells for all types of used guns during the Second World War. Industry could not produce them in the required quantity.
      Quote: La-5
      So the Soviet gun could not be more accurate than the German, it could be at the level, or better not.

      You gentlemen need to go on excursions, go to artillery factories and museums of the vast country. (Motovilikha or factory number 9).
      And for the supply of matter for the technique of victory -This is RESPECT, This is RESPECT!
      1. La-5
        La-5 12 May 2014 14: 00
        +1
        "Cool !!!
        It's a hogwash that the Achilles' heel was a crane for the inadequacy of subcaliber shells for all types of weapons used during the Second World War. The industry could not produce them in the required quantity. "- I will answer with your words. It's a garbage that a sub-caliber projectile for the D-25t cannon did not exist at all. So go to the artillery plant yourself.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 12 May 2014 15: 44
          +1
          Quote: La-5
          I will answer in your words. Bullshit, that on the D-25t gun there was no sub-caliber projectile at all. So, go to the art factory yourself.

          What does the price have to do with then: the quality of German shells was significantly better than Soviet ??
          Not from a good life, ship artillery was put on a wheelbase (for anti-tank missiles) or in a tank tower.
          1. Crang
            12 May 2014 17: 38
            +2
            Quote: Papakiko
            What does it have to do with it then: was the quality of German shells much better than Soviet ??
            Not from a good life, ship artillery was put on a wheelbase (for anti-tank missiles) or in a tank tower.

            So the Germans do the same. Their famous 88mm cannon migrated to tanks from ships, where from the beginning of the 20th century it was used as an anti-aircraft gun, and even earlier as a PMK.
        2. pilot8878
          pilot8878 25 May 2014 23: 56
          +1
          Having counted the kinetic energy of the blank from the D-25, I come to the conclusion that at the distance of the battle of that time, the sub-caliber projectile "twenty-five" is not needed due to the lack of targets.
    4. Srgsoap
      Srgsoap 12 May 2014 18: 52
      +5
      About the beat you are most likely right.
  3. samoletil18
    samoletil18 12 May 2014 08: 54
    +5

    So, KV-1C. You can say for an arbitrarily long time that this is an imbalanced car, but in reality it turns out that the real TTX of KVAS in the game is even somewhat underestimated. In fact, he was even cooler, even more powerful, even more scary. Starting with the KV-85 modification
    Article +, but KV-! S and KV-85 in other (strategies, for example Blitzkrieg ") toys go differently from each other. These are quite different machines. The first product of KV production optimization is an attempt to create a similar mass to the T-34, but protected at the KV level of the tank, the second is an urgent response to the appearance of German "cats", with all the difficulties. The first use in 1944 near Krsun was associated with losses. Still, this is a transitional tank to the IS series, and not MBT initially - an intermediate link An interesting topic is disclosed in the book "Stalin's Steel Fist" by M. Svirin.
    It is a pity that they did not have time before the Battle of Kursk.
    1. yehat
      yehat 12 May 2014 11: 26
      +6
      loss of strife. For example, our well-known tank battle near Prokhorovka was clearly lost tactically and the tiger didn’t thresh our tanks, but 3 batteries of anti-tank guns shot tanks that performed a dubious maneuver. In 41, the Germans could attack with tanks whose armor was very thin and did not lose them in huge numbers - let me remind you that they had several hundred Czech 38 tanks (attacking mainly in the central direction), whose defense is hardly good.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 12 May 2014 18: 25
        +3
        When the Germans widely used 35 (t) and 38 (t) for them was the main mobility and weapons. While the front was less or less stabilized, even Pz1 suited them. Fortunately, ours already had a KV and T-34, and so the Germans would have managed to deploy and counter-attack the counter-attacks on the flanks, experiencing great pleasure, and not thinking about delays to ensure the flanks, as in Poland and France . The expanses of the USSR after the war became a misfortune of the Wehrmacht, and at the beginning an advantage: the place of impact is easy to choose and surround where you like. And they tried to compensate for the lack of roads with the mobility of tank groups. In their memoirs, at the beginning of the war, they went around the defense there and left them to the infantry corps.
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    2. zavesa01
      zavesa01 12 May 2014 18: 45
      +3
      It is also well written in "Fighting Vehicle Designer" about Zh.Ya.Kotin
  4. Flinky
    Flinky 12 May 2014 08: 58
    +4
    It is more correct to write "precision technique". Well, thanks for the article, there are interesting points.
  5. avt
    avt 12 May 2014 09: 09
    +8
    Quote: Krang
    Are you a friend in WoT outplayed?

    Hike yes, I confused the virtual with reality, after the next victorious "battles" in the net. So if I read the ARCHIVAL documents of the appearance of the machine, I would make sure that it was a temporary measure when rearming the tank forces. It was hard in the rear, much was missing and materials, and machine tools, and qualified personnel and the machine was not very good with all the shortcomings of its progenitor, however, if the author really wants to get out of the astral plane, I can recommend Svirin Misha to read, he easily writes with good links to documents quite specific, well at least "Stalin's Steel Fist", as well as the previous book "Stalin's Armor Shield". Maybe the rest will want to read and not only Svirin, maybe Kolomiets will hook on armored vehicles. By the way, he will find out why on the KV-1C the {fast-moving}, which he He calls it kvass, did not install 122mm - the suspension could not withstand, the road wheels broke and the balancers at full speed.
    1. NOMADE
      NOMADE 12 May 2014 10: 57
      +5
      I agree with you. Also, it is perfectly described in the book - Joseph Yakovlevich Kotin - "Designer of combat vehicles" I had one, re-read it several times in my youth. Everything is described there from and to .., from the first person. Including - SMK, KV 1, KV 1 s, etc. And also, the whole life and life of the plant.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 12 May 2014 12: 55
        +3
        This book is readily available online. It also recognizes a not too positive attitude in the troops towards the KV-1. In the magazine "Soviet Warrior" in 1991 there was an article by the designer Shashmurin with which it is difficult to argue, the insanity of creating any KV-4, KV-13 is described in detail, the last one, as you know, stupidly broke down at every exit, apparently due to weight savings details already stupidly could not stand.
        1. NOMADE
          NOMADE 12 May 2014 15: 29
          +3
          the fact that it is available on the net, I know. Have you read it inside and out? it just describes ... why it turned out that way .., problems with the supply of rubber, problems with B2 engines .., etc. Not everything depended on the designer .. (Therefore, the word "marasmus", in this case, to put it mildly, is not appropriate, just like the mentions in the form - KVAS !!!
          At the expense of relations in the troops, there is just the same - not everything is clear. The Americans admitted this, in other machine tests - KV -1 and T - 34 .. The problem was maintenance and qualifications.
      2. Mexican
        Mexican 25 June 2014 06: 37
        0
        Cotinus - Jaurès, not Joseph. In honor of Jean Jaures, leader of the French socialist movement.
  6. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 12 May 2014 10: 21
    +3
    Technique is certainly advanced for its time! And in our time, sculpts from the World of Tank can’t fix the sight, at least! Or do not want to! After all, the loot is already carried, and it is useless to refer to the physics of the rifled gun and the kinetics of the shell itself! Their reaction to criticism is not adequate, at the level of maydanutyh hucksters !!!
    1. I think so
      I think so 22 June 2014 20: 52
      0
      I know these goats from the developers of this toy ... The main thing for them is not to comply with the performance characteristics of real cars, but to create competition among the players so that all the cars from the game are used by the players ... And from here many cars (especially Soviet ones) have significantly lower parameters compared to real ones, but others are overpriced ... Well, it won’t be interesting if only ISs or HFs fight in the game and no one rides tigers or panthers ... Business and nothing personal ...
  7. Syrdon
    Syrdon 12 May 2014 11: 39
    0
    in the game, of course, power and a hurricane fan, but accuracy at a range is bad. In life, not so sure))
    1. Crang
      12 May 2014 14: 05
      0
      In life, just the range and accuracy was even better. She is not bad in the game either. On my KVAS I competed with the Yagtigr from a distance of 625m. He has 88% of hits, I have 54%. In the game, KVAS has deadly precision and shoots like this:
      http://yandex.ru/video/search?text=квас%20танк%20видео&filmId=6Sju9im8UXI
      1. opium
        opium 12 May 2014 16: 33
        -1
        But how did you shoot at that distance? at a maximum range of 500m? and max viewing range on the tank 445?
        1. Crang
          12 May 2014 17: 40
          0
          Quote: afion
          But how did you shoot at that distance? at a maximum range of 500m? and max viewing range on the tank 445?

          We stood with Yag next to each other. At a distance of 625m from us is a target - IS-4. The T-50 shone on us. We both fired at 22 targets. I announced the result.
          1. Walking
            Walking 12 May 2014 19: 45
            +3
            Do not confuse the game with reality.
  8. Max_Damage
    Max_Damage 12 May 2014 12: 11
    -1
    Kvass is not an imba, the imba helket is actually.

    And so interesting to read indeed !.
    1. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 12 May 2014 12: 52
      -3
      cat nerf at 9.1
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    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 12 May 2014 12: 56
      0
      The discovered hellish kote generally does not live long, although in direct hands, of course, it sometimes works wonders.
      1. Cruorvult
        Cruorvult 12 May 2014 13: 42
        0
        Sorry, but did Laus found in the field live long? You need to be able to use the technique, a cat for that and a cat to hide it, the game is 4 years old and all horned animals cannot leave the bush 15 meters back after the backlight.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 12 May 2014 16: 09
          0
          Mouse, by the way, lives long enough to shove ahead. I believe that the dramatic increase in its use in recent months is exactly the answer to the completely insane superiority of defense over attack, which even the nerf pt could not eliminate. And Hellcat generally exists in such a fun environment, where you can go to the hangar from 2-3 penetrations. The latter, in principle, is also true for kwasik, even a frontal shelling from any item of the 6th lvl except maybe 58 and "Shermans", as a rule, leads to penetration. In this regard, kvassik is in a worse position than any TT 8-10.
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    4. 77bob1973
      77bob1973 12 May 2014 23: 27
      0
      Do you have any idea what the "vyser" of the American industry "helket" is in reality - a Zaporozhets with a gun and a microscopic fuel tank, who could only hide and shoot once!
  9. Eustace
    Eustace 12 May 2014 12: 39
    +6
    Kvass like a tank?
    1. Lyapis
      Lyapis 12 May 2014 13: 33
      +13
      Kvass like a tank?
    2. Max_Damage
      Max_Damage 12 May 2014 16: 06
      0
      Kvass like a drink?
  10. Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 12 May 2014 12: 55
    +2
    The problem of domestic technology of the Second World War is quality. Many factories were hastily transported; women and children worked. The article was right there, when the Americans took our equipment for analysis, it turned out that the 85ka pierces the tiger on board from just 500 meters, and the American 76mm from 1500 due to poor quality gunpowder.
  11. Takashi
    Takashi 12 May 2014 13: 26
    +1
    "Power is determined by the formula semi-product of the mass of the projectile by the square of its speed."- I always thought that this is the forum of Kinetic energy E = mvv / 2. And power is the speed of doing work, in other words, it is energy per unit of time P = dE / dt.

    tell me - who are they "numerous horned individuals"? And why are they, exactly,"horned"? Otherwise I, unfortunately or joyfully, do not play WoT.
    1. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 12 May 2014 13: 40
      0
      Deer mean, of which the majority. They see that the folders are bending on KVAS, the same is downloaded, bought, and the nogibalka does not grow back.
      1. Crang
        12 May 2014 14: 06
        0
        Quote: CruorVult
        they pump and buy the same thing, but the nogibalka does not grow back.

        At least this allows tankers in diapers to feel their own significance.
      2. saigon
        saigon 12 May 2014 14: 16
        +2
        In the game, kvass does not pull against 34-85. The average and close distance of a duel with 85 kvass is death with a guarantee. It is true that you must be able to play 3485)))) But they are deer.
        1. Crang
          12 May 2014 19: 32
          -2
          Quote: saigon
          In the game, kvass does not pull against 34-85. The average and close distance of a duel with 85 kvass is death with a guarantee. It is true that you must be able to play 3485)))) But they are deer.

          In the game, KVAS easily vomits the T-34-85. The main thing when playing on this tank is not to get involved in close combat. His element is shooting as much as possible at static targets from a place at medium and long distances.
      3. saigon
        saigon 12 May 2014 14: 16
        +1
        In the game, kvass does not pull against 34-85. The average and close distance of a duel with 85 kvass is death with a guarantee. It is true that you must be able to play 3485)))) But they are deer.
        1. Cruorvult
          Cruorvult 12 May 2014 14: 25
          0
          Everything must be able to use correctly. The whole point is that kvass will cut 85ku from 2 penetrations, it is less than 15 seconds, during this time 85kk kvass cannot be killed, it all depends on the situation, on skill and luck.
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  12. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 12 May 2014 14: 22
    +15
    Guys, it’s not upsetting you that you SO call this deserved car?
    Somehow the rumor hurts me ...

    I would understand if someone served on KV-1s ... he would certainly have the right to such humor.
    1. twviewer
      twviewer 12 May 2014 15: 07
      0
      what kind of humor is there - a matter of taste, the practice is simple: "attack kaveodines" or "attack kvass" which is more convenient?
    2. NOMADE
      NOMADE 12 May 2014 16: 48
      +4
      + a lot .., my ear is jarring (everyone suddenly became experts ... in history and tank building .. The game is generally good .. but this does not take away the fact of studying history, constructive in fact and basic respect for designers and tanks.
  13. Free wind
    Free wind 12 May 2014 15: 34
    -4
    Thank you for the article. It seems on the T 34-85 smoothbore gun. And I like the T 34-57. The game can do a lot of things if you're lucky. Especially if in the middle of the list. And the gun is generally shine. Sometimes I drive with pleasure, pushing my sons away. And about the other tanks will be articles?
    1. NOMADE
      NOMADE 12 May 2014 16: 49
      +1
      no, it’s not smooth-bore ..)) as they say, on Wikipedia;) ..
    2. avt
      avt 12 May 2014 18: 09
      +4
      Quote: Free Wind
      Thank you for the article. It seems on the T 34-85 smoothbore gun.

      And it can also be charged from the barrel. laughing The weather on the street is good, is it time to go breathing air and look at the world not through a computer tank sight?
    3. samoletil18
      samoletil18 12 May 2014 18: 33
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      It seems on the T 34-85 smoothbore gun
      and fired guided missiles
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  14. Black
    Black 12 May 2014 16: 07
    +3
    You know ... like I’m somewhat at a loss ... I don’t play computer tanks.
    And what - the game conveys the quality and performance characteristics of real products in such a way that you can judge the original by the "shooter" ???
    1. Max_Damage
      Max_Damage 12 May 2014 16: 12
      0
      According to the world of tanks - no, you can’t, but there are super realistic games like il 2 attack aircraft or lock on modern air combat, so you can really judge aircraft to some extent by them. there are also very realistic simulators of the battalion commander graviteam tactics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGd-kHJ4PIE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvyR4zm2Oz0 the truth is that in this game there needs a modern computer.

      There are realistic simulators of modern steel beasts tanks.
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 12 May 2014 17: 26
      -2
      It is quite possible to imagine, really conveys the appearance. Of course, many characteristics are unified. and yes ... pretty interesting. Recommend. Of course, many originals are simply not there! But still interesting.
  15. Free wind
    Free wind 12 May 2014 17: 17
    +1
    It just occurred to me. During the war !!!!!!! designers and plants experimented !!!!!!. looking for new solutions, looking for ways to protect warriors! Same q13. KV1 S, ISs are magnificent. Created many unique tanks. Now what? T 72 awesome tank, T 90 the best tank. a few comments on the article is possible? Support rollers up to 40 km. h increase the resource of caterpillars at times. BUT then .... you imagine a roller with a diameter of 20 cm at a speed of 80 km. h., The rotation speed of this support roller, ... the bearings simply cannot stand it. The fact that В 2 is not the best diesel engine, was also understood by the designers of the IS 7.
  16. Free wind
    Free wind 12 May 2014 17: 41
    0
    It seems to me that, soon we will see Chivtenov, and Abrams, and Leclerc, and type 99. Okay for now, I'm in battle.
  17. Stas57
    Stas57 12 May 2014 19: 24
    +10
    but in general I put all the minus players, you honestly got it already,

    re-read yourself - "deer", "bends" and so on, purely youngsters and the value of comments = zero ...

    But in the old days, KARS and I argued before a fight about shells, armor, and millimeters.
    about real tanks, not toys. argued based on documents and books, and not on their virtual experience

    Okay bye, I'm in a fight.

    I have a request for you, and for everyone, play already, don’t write here your important knowledge about the techniques that you learned from the World of Tanks game, don’t bring these valuable bits of consciousness here, play as much as you like, but don’t write here, please
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 12 May 2014 19: 38
      +1
      Quote: Stas57
      I have a request for you, and for everyone, play already, don’t write here your important knowledge about the techniques that you learned from the World of Tanks game, don’t bring these valuable bits of consciousness here, play as much as you like, but don’t write here, please
      Join.
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 12 May 2014 19: 38
      0
      Quote: Stas57
      I have a request for you, and for everyone, play already, don’t write here your important knowledge about the techniques that you learned from the World of Tanks game, don’t bring these valuable bits of consciousness here, play as much as you like, but don’t write here, please
      Join.
  18. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 12 May 2014 19: 40
    0
    The commanders of German tanks up to the Royal Tiger had only an immovable turret with several observation devices and poorly controlled the situation from the inside of the tank. This forced German tank commanders to often protrude from the hatch with binoculars, as a result of which many of them became victims of fragments or sniper fire. (Quote from the article)

    In fact, from the beginning of the war, the Germans (tank and self-propelled guns commanders) often used stereo tubes, one should not think that they were idiots.
    The stereo tube, if my memory serves me, they were fastened with a special bracket to the edge of the hatch of the commander’s turret (for the convenience of working with it while driving).

    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 12 May 2014 20: 01
      +2
      the suspension in comparison with hyper-sophisticated systems in German cats was sturdy and reliable. Subsequently, with some changes, she migrated to object 140, then to object 172, until she found herself on the well-known T-72 tanks.

      Generally a "masterpiece" ... belay
      I wonder what kind of suspension elements from the KV tank could be used by L.N. Kartsev and V.N. Venediktov when creating the T-72?
      Yeah ... what It sounds like a saying: "I hear a ringing, but I don't know where he is."
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 12 May 2014 20: 13
      +3
      Hello dear friend. In the book, Tigers in the mud, this fucking otto caries confirms that com. tanks died from sniper fire. and not very rare. By the way, he is an enemy of the USSR, our enemy. In the midst of the Cold War, Otto Carius. writing a book, Tigers in the mud, nowhere and have never once responded to the Russian warriors scornfully !!! Only now dozens of Russian tanks disappear, I hope this is not true. I really liked the last words of Caries in this book .... I am sure that the Tiger is still the best tank in our country in the West, and only ..... RUSSIANS ARE ABLE TO CREATE A TANK THAT WILL ATTACK THE WORLD !!!! The fascist said, but the infection, I like this statement.
      1. 290980
        290980 13 May 2014 02: 08
        +1
        The fascist said, but the infection, I like this statement.

        By the way, Grandpa is still alive and well, has his own pharmacy called TIGER)))
    3. Jager
      Jager 12 May 2014 23: 41
      0
      While moving? It is doubtful. Yes, and used them mainly in art divisions.
  19. Crang
    12 May 2014 19: 52
    0
    Quote: wanderer_032
    In fact, from the beginning of the war, the Germans (tank and self-propelled guns commanders) often used stereo tubes, one should not think that they were idiots.
    The stereo tube, if my memory serves me, they were fastened with a special bracket to the edge of the hatch of the commander’s turret (for the convenience of working with it while driving).

    They were certainly not idiots, but it is clear that such a "modernization" of their tanks was carried out not from a good life, but from want. This means that the instrumental equipment of the tank itself did not provide their commanders with a proper view. So they risked, leaned out, risking a sniper's bullet or shrapnel. But ours did not do that - ours and so everything was fine with the review. In addition to the KB, there is also an MK-4 device or a panoramic device for the PT-K commander (on the KV-1 and its clones).
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 12 May 2014 20: 09
      0
      Quote: Krang
      So they took risks, leaned out


      In fact, the stereotube, as an observing microscopic, optical device, was designed to be used from behind a shelter (trench, parapet, viewing gap in the bunker or bunker), for safe visual observation.
      Attention question.
      What the hell does a person who uses this device stick out from behind cover in order to be shot by a sniper ???
      1. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 12 May 2014 20: 14
        0
        Quote: wanderer_032
        What the hell does a person who uses this device stick out from behind cover in order to be shot by a sniper ???

        Perhaps suicide. He wants to commit suicide, but religion does not allow. laughing
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 12 May 2014 20: 19
          0
          Quote: fyvaprold
          Perhaps suicide.


          So for this "Parabellum" or "Walter P-38" in the holster is available.
          I don’t want to shoot ... laughing
          1. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 12 May 2014 20: 21
            0
            Quote: wanderer_032

            So for this "Parabellum" or "Walter P-38" in the holster is available.
            I don’t want to shoot ...

            I say - religion does not allow. laughing
        2. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 12 May 2014 20: 25
          0
          Quote: fyvaprold
          He wants to commit suicide, but religion does not allow.


          Well yes...
          Starting from the 41st, all the Fritz came to us in order to get a bullet in the forehead.
          And at the same time they took about 28 million Soviet citizens with them into the world.
      2. Crang
        12 May 2014 20: 25
        0
        Quote: wanderer_032
        Attention question.
        What the hell does a person who uses this device stick out from behind cover in order to be shot by a sniper ???

        Because it is an infantry pipe and is not intended for installation on a tank. It was simply mounted on top and in order to look into this pipe it was necessary to pop out. There are a bunch of pictures with the Nazis leaning out of the hatches in a combat situation.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 12 May 2014 20: 38
          0
          Quote: Krang
          It was simply mounted on top and in order to look into this pipe it was necessary to pop out. There are a bunch of pictures with the Nazis leaning out of the hatches in a combat situation.


          This bunch of photos, testifies to the fact that they protruded mainly on a halt for alignment of the device (or to replace broken lenses), when preparing the tank for battle.
          If you stick your head out of the hatch during a battle, then why use a stereo tube?
          You can just as well look through binoculars.
          And they died mainly from fragments falling into the open hatch (German tank commanders and self-propelled guns practically did not close it), or from bullets that rebounded from something, or from stray bullets.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 12 May 2014 20: 46
            0
            I will add that if there were cases that the stereo tube was used protruding into the hatch, then it was when the tank (self-propelled guns) stood behind a shelter, or behind an embankment, or in a cleft (hollow) completely hiding the car, above the level of the tower roof (deckhouse).
  20. doc62
    doc62 12 May 2014 19: 57
    +1
    guys all the time confuse the game and life sit behind the arms of a real tank you will perceive the game with humor
  21. Kars
    Kars 12 May 2014 21: 34
    +1
    KV-1С main battle heavy tank

    But is there a main battle medium tank? Or a main battle light tank?

    In fact, the artillery system similar to the German 88 mm of the USSR was able to produce only after the war.
    and the so-called KVAS is a strange ersatz of wartime. which was shown by a short battle history that kv-85 that is-85
    1. Crang
      12 May 2014 22: 19
      0
      Quote: Kars
      But is there a main battle medium tank? Or a main battle light tank?

      Kars is a transcription error. In the original, the word "main combat" should have been crossed out.
      Quote: Kars
      In fact, the artillery system similar to the German 88 mm of the USSR was able to produce only after the war.

      In fact, the USSR from the beginning of the war had the best artillery systems in the world. This is the Grabinovskie guns, primarily 107mm. 100mm guns of the D-10 and S-34 series. 122mm guns of the D-25 series. The Germans had nothing of the kind. They initially went the wrong way - trying to squeeze out everything that is possible from a small-caliber gun. As a result, it turned out that the cannon is small-caliber, the projectile is light, the barrel is long and bends when fired, which affects accuracy, and the breech is healthy and there is no place inside the tower. I saw somewhere a German report in which German experts assured that it was IMPOSSIBLE to put a cannon of a caliber of more than 88mm in the Tiger and Panther. Now all tanks have 105-125mm guns with a relatively moderate barrel length. They decided to increase the power not due to the dubious elongation of the barrel to absurdity, but by increasing the rigidity of the gun itself and the use of powerful charges from superdense gunpowders.
      Quote: Kars
      and the so-called KVAS is a strange ersatz of wartime. which was shown by a short battle history that kv-85 that is-85

      KVAS is the coolest main battle tank since WWII. And the KV-85 story was quite long - until the very end of the war.
      Tell me how Kars is doing. You could already realize where there is a dark power, and where is the good? Have you knocked out at least one gouged T-64BV with the brutalized Natsik inside il is still scary? Do not be afraid - they can not win. Victory will be ours. Choose the power of Kars and you will again become an equal citizen of the great reviving Empire of the USSR-2.
      1. Kars
        Kars 12 May 2014 22: 35
        +1
        Quote: Krang
        Kars is a transcription error.

        Transcription? Is that a translation?
        Quote: Krang
        In fact, the USSR from the beginning of the war had the best artillery systems in the world

        No, it didn’t, and also lagged behind in the quality of ammunition.
        Quote: Krang
        nor initially went the wrong way - trying to squeeze out everything that is possible from a small-caliber gun.

        you’ll tell it to thousands of Soviet tanks, and explain why the Fritzes, having made 4 times smaller than armored vehicles, fought 6 for years
        Quote: Krang
        As a result, it turned out that the small-caliber gun, the projectile is light, the barrel is long and bends when fired, which affects accuracy,
        Like a reed in the wind of the oppression Pak41 trunk)))

        Quote: Krang
        Now all tanks have guns of caliber 105-125mm with a relatively moderate barrel length

        so this is a simple regularity of at least 48-54 caliber it will be than the ZIS 5
        Quote: Krang
        KVAS is the coolest main battle tank since WWII

        the most ordinary ersatz released in a small series and quickly died in battle without showing a particular result.
        Quote: Krang
        KV-85 had a long history - until the very end of the war.

        Wherever in Karelia? a single instance guarding the headquarters?
        show it on the streets of Berlin, Prague, Danzig or Koenigsberg

        Quote: Krang
        Tell me how Kars is doing.
        Why spoil this topic. And no, I didn’t knock this out in Zaporizhzhya, but moving on roads with weapons and in peacetime was problematic, and now there are heaps of roadblocks.

        Quote: Krang
        a citizen of the great reviving Empire of the USSR-2.
        I don’t smile to die in a nuclear apocalypse.
        1. Crang
          13 May 2014 08: 14
          -1
          Quote: Kars
          Transcription? Is that a translation?

          This means in my Word it was, but when I downloaded here it evaporated somewhere.
          Quote: Kars
          No, it didn’t, and also lagged behind in the quality of ammunition.

          On ammunition, yes. But on artillery systems - no. We were ahead of the rest. With equal ammunition, our guns were superior to German under all conditions.
          Quote: Kars
          you’ll tell it to thousands of Soviet tanks, and explain why the Fritzes, having made 4 times smaller than armored vehicles, fought 6 for years

          Because a huge number of tanks are not tank troops. We were still studying. I had to learn against an exceptionally strong enemy. We had a bunch of tanks, but alas - there were no tank troops.
          Quote: Kars
          Like a reed in the wind of the oppression Pak41 trunk)))

          That's right, Kars. I say - take a look in slow motion at shooting from a machine gun or rifle. That's just it - like a reed and their thin and long trunk bends. The same thing happened with German guns. And in your opinion, why did the fleet very soon decide to switch to larger-caliber artillery systems, instead of increasing the power of 305mm guns? After all, the reserve was still wow.
          Quote: Kars
          Wherever in Karelia? a single instance guarding the headquarters?
          show it on the streets of Berlin, Prague, Danzig or Koenigsberg

          Yes, easily:
          1. Kars
            Kars 13 May 2014 09: 19
            +2
            Quote: Krang
            This means in my Word it was, but when I downloaded here it evaporated somewhere.

            evaporated or added? and so is the main battle light tank?
            Quote: Krang
            Ammo yes

            Wow
            Quote: Krang
            But on artillery systems - no

            yes, the art system is an auxiliary device for delivering the projectile. On the F-34 tanks only, for some time there was a leader and then a small gap. But in fact, both the concept and the material part of the artillery of the USSR never recovered from Tukhachev’s and it had to be paid blood.
            Quote: Krang
            With equal ammunition, our guns were superior to German under all conditions.

            some kind of nonsense is
            Quote: Krang
            We were still studying

            in 1944 and 1945, the losses of the brotentech are also huge.

            Quote: Krang
            That's right, Kars. I say - take a look in slow motion at shooting from a machine gun or rifle

            oh yes now with 5, you say that the 85 mm Soviet tank gun made by the bore of the licensed 76 mm German anti-aircraft gun does not even twitch the barrel. A-19 is not subject to any deformation.
            Quote: Krang
            And in your opinion, why did the fleet very soon decide to switch to larger-caliber artillery systems
            Don’t you really a strange person, the fleet has nothing to do with it? At the same time there were 88 mm anti-aircraft guns on all German ships. And the transition to 105 mm is a lot of explanations for non-inclusive barrel oscillations when firing.
            Quote: Krang
            instead of increasing the power of the 305mm guns?
            read the history of the fleet, even though you live in your fantasies. By the way, the accuracy of lighter art systems was higher than heavy.
            Quote: Krang
            Yes easily

            where is it and when? regiment headquarters pulled up?
            and T-34 -76 reached Berlin))) to conclude from this?
            once again, in fact, KVAS is an ersatz, the IS-85 also an ersatz almost instantly proved its worthlessness on the 1944 battlefield of the year, entailing a reinstallation of the art system - 122 mm in view of the lag of normal tank guns, which reduced both rate of fire and ammunition, as well as the redevelopment of body armor - where not only the main mm but also the forms and connections, the shock wave with a broken VLD looks like an anachronism.
            1. Crang
              13 May 2014 09: 51
              -1
              Quote: Kars
              evaporated or added? and so is the main battle light tank?

              It evaporated. Light main battle tanks do not exist. There are only light or floating.
              Quote: Kars
              Wow

              What? I always knew that.
              Quote: Kars
              Yes, the art system is an auxiliary device for delivering a projectile.

              In this case, the basis is still an artillery system, and the projectile is just a way to transfer the energy of this artillery system to the enemy as efficiently as possible. Already before the war and in its first years, we had established the production of perfect tank guns of quite modern calibers, which are still installed on main battle tanks today. Without going into details regarding small-bore fines, these are 100mm S-34 and D-10 cannons. This is the 107mm ZiS-6 cannon. These are 122mm guns of the D-25 series. These tank artillery systems were at that time the most powerful in the world and, in their muzzle energy, significantly surpassed the guns of Western tanks. The Germans took a different, erroneous path, trying to squeeze the maximum out of the relatively small-caliber 75mm and 88mm guns. As a result, their rather small guns were comparable in size and weight to much larger-caliber Soviet ones. As a result, where the Germans had 75mm guns, ours put 85mm or 100mm guns. Where the Germans had 88mm guns, we had 100mm and 122mm guns. This (German) approach is now used only for a very small niche of light wheeled combat vehicles BRM or wheeled tanks, but recently there has been a clear tendency to increase the caliber to the level of the tank and on these machines. The only German, normal 128mm cannon was so large that it could only be squeezed into the giant YagTiger self-propelled gun, if not counting the 188-ton Maus as a normal tank. As a result, in terms of penetrating power and striking effect on the target, our guns were at least not inferior to the German ones, and in terms of the power of high-explosive fragmentation action of shells they exceeded them on average by 1,5-2 times.
              Quote: Kars
              in 1944 and 1945, the losses of the brotentech are also huge.

              They were obvious. After the initial discharge, starting in the 1942 of the year and until the end of the war, the Soviet Army essentially only advanced, and the Germans defended themselves. The total losses of our 3-4 for one German completely fit into the offensive formula, according to which in order to reliably overcome the enemy’s defense it is necessary to create at least threefold superiority in forces. The tactics of using our tanks also played a role here. Yes, we lost a lot of them, but instead of iron, we saved a lot of human lives, and the Nazis paid for each of our wrecked tanks with a bunch of corpses.
              1. Kars
                Kars 13 May 2014 10: 05
                +1
                Quote: Krang
                It evaporated. Light main battle tanks do not exist. There are only light or floating.

                and the hard-headed basic?
                Quote: Krang
                What? I always knew that.

                Is it always straight? From deeply kindergarten, transmitted with mother’s milk?
                Quote: Krang
                In this case, the basis is still an art system,

                What nonsense are you talking about.
                Quote: Krang
                They were obvious.

                )))))yah?
                Quote: Krang
                I reliable overcoming the enemy’s defense is necessary to create at least threefold superiority in power.

                yes you don’t know the theory too. don’t even know what to advise you to read about the phases of operations, the development of success. pursuit.
                Quote: Krang
                Yes, we lost a lot of them, but instead of iron, we saved many human lives,

                This is what the Americans did.
                Quote: Krang
                and the Nazis paid for each of our wrecked tanks with a bunch of corpses.

                yeah, the Fritzes beat them up by attacking with a live wave of Molotov cocktails.
                1. Crang
                  13 May 2014 10: 50
                  -3
                  Quote: Kars
                  and the hard-headed basic?

                  Heavy tanks are not basic of course, but these concepts are very close and therefore they are often confused. Well, roughly - the main tank, it is a heavy tank with medium mobility. Therefore, many formally heavy tanks were actually the main battle tanks: the same KVAS, for example, or the T-10M. And many formally main battle tanks, in fact, were typical heavy: early Centurions, the first Merkava, M48, etc.
                  Quote: Kars
                  What nonsense are you talking about.

                  You are talking nonsense Kars. The gun will fire at anyone - with good or bad shells, or with rubber balls in general. But the shell itself without a gun - nothing.
                  Quote: Kars
                  )))))yah?

                  Exactly. In history, there are quite rare cases when the attacker suffered less losses than his defending opponent.
                  Quote: Kars
                  This is what the Americans did.

                  If you didn’t know Kars, relative losses Americans were more than ours. This is despite the fact that on the western front they were opposed by already bloodless German units trying to confront the amines under conditions of the complete domination of the latter in the air, a severe lack of fuel and ammunition. The same and the German tank divisions in which there were 10 tanks, or even just horses. As an example, Kars - Americans lost more than a hundred people killed and missing while taking the island on which there was not a single Japanese. The Americans learned the basics of the main land war - tank war only in 1991. In WW2 they had some tanks, but there were no tank troops. But the Pacific theater of operations and the Japanese army, stuck somewhere in the mid-30s, did not contribute to the early emergence of the experience of tank warfare. Therefore, the well-motorized American army was well adapted for rapid movement in field conditions, but when any serious resistance arose it quickly and powerlessly stopped. This was clearly noticed by the fucking old man Otto Carius.
                  Quote: Kars
                  yeah, the Fritzes beat them up by attacking with a live wave of Molotov cocktails.

                  No. It's just that the tactics of swift tank strikes of the Soviet army on the one hand led to large losses in tanks if the strike attacked a well-prepared defense, but in the case of a successful strike site and the absence of such a defense, our tanks that broke through inflicted colossal devastation in the rear of the Nazis. The Germans used their tanks much more carefully. There, each commander had the right to "graze" on his Tiger. Each small unit acted slowly in close coordination with other units. On the one hand, this made it possible to reduce losses in armored vehicles. On the other hand, it brought little success in strategic and operational-tactical terms. Ours once again turned out to be smarter and better used the main instrument of ground warfare - tank troops.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 14 May 2014 19: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Krang
                    Heavy tanks are not basic of course, but these concepts are very close and therefore they are often confused

                    Who confuses them? Especially considering that the term MBT appeared already in the 60-s.
                    Quote: Krang
                    Therefore, many formally heavy tanks were actually the main battle tanks: the same KVAS, for example, or the T-10M.

                    no
                    Only the IS-7 could qualify for this role - the world's first MBT

                    Quote: Krang
                    early Centurions, the first Merkava, M48

                    where does the first merkava? And the centurino and patton are ordinary medium tanks.

                    Quote: Krang
                    If you did not know Kars, the relative losses of the Americans were greater than ours
                    I didn’t know. I myself came up with? And regarding what? Not saying that I personally am interested in the general losses.


                    Quote: Krang
                    As an example, Kars - Americans lost more than a hundred people killed and missing while taking the island on which there was not a single Japanese

                    like in the Red Army there were no meaningless slaughterhouses. And here the Yankees have the usual headache.

                    Quote: Krang
                    In 2MV they had some tanks, but there were no tank troops.

                    They had a lot of tanks, and they did not spare iron. Like aerial bombs and shells.

                    Quote: Krang
                    but when any serious resistance arose, it quickly and powerlessly stopped. This is clearly noticed yet fucking old man Otto Carius
                    And what did they liberate the USA territory or take revenge for the occupation? Why were they screaming for trouble? For the French and Belgians? And they reached the lines marked on the maps in Yalta. And about the old ones. Because he remembers very badly about 128 mm the gun about which you have a good opinion)))

                    Quote: Krang
                    normal xnummm gun


                    Quote: Krang
                    Just tactics of swift tank attacks

                    Well, if you read anything, I don’t know. In fact, 23 700 and 13 700 for 1944 and 4 of the month 1945 and this is only irrevocable.
                    Quote: Krang
                    On the other hand, it brought little success strategically and tactically.

                    what was already strategically operational when the main aim of the Fritz was to surrender to the Allies, and not to the Soviets.
                    Quote: Krang
                    Ours once again turned out to be smarter and better used the main tool of the ground war - tank troops.
                    Well, not in the next one of course, but they learned to use tanks. Yes, and the allies with the trucks helped.
              2. Kars
                Kars 13 May 2014 10: 09
                +1
                forgot photo
                ___________
              3. Stas57
                Stas57 13 May 2014 11: 41
                0
                Quote: Krang
                Without going into details regarding small-caliber trifles, these are 100mm guns C-34 and D-10. This is the 107mm ZiS-6 gun. This is the 122mm gun of the D-25 series. These tank artillery systems were at that time the most powerful in the world and in their muzzle energy were significantly superior to the guns of Western tanks. The Germans took a different, erroneous path, trying to squeeze the maximum out of relatively small-caliber guns of the caliber 75mm and 88mm. As a result, their rather small guns in size and weight were comparable to the much larger Soviet ones. As a result, where the Germans had 75mm guns, ours put 85mm or 100mm guns. Where the Germans had 88mm guns, we had 100mm and 122mm.

                epic .....
                I don’t even know how to comment it out ..


                As a result, our guns were at least not inferior to the German in penetrating power and the destructive effect on the target, and in average 1,5-2 times superior in average power to high-explosive fragmentation of shells.

                Bozhemoy, and it's kind of cool?
                mdya.

                After the initial discharge, starting in the 1942 of the year and until the end of the war, the Soviet Army essentially only advanced, and the Germans defended themselves.

                Godmother2
                But Stalingrad and Kursk, as part of this well-organized concept of German defense, are included ????

                They were obvious. After the initial discharge, starting in the 1942 of the year and until the end of the war, the Soviet Army essentially only advanced, and the Germans defended themselves. The total losses of our 3-4 for one German completely fit into the offensive formula, according to which in order to reliably overcome the enemy’s defense it is necessary to create at least threefold superiority in forces. The tactics of using our tanks also played a role here. Yes, we lost a lot of them, but instead of iron, we saved a lot of human lives, and the Nazis paid for each of our wrecked tanks with a bunch of corpses.

                hand face
            2. Crang
              13 May 2014 09: 51
              0
              Quote: Kars
              read the history of the fleet, even though you live in your fantasies. By the way, the accuracy of lighter art systems was higher than heavy.

              Always below Kars. Always lower. Heavy guns are more accurate a priori. What explains the transition on battleships from a medium caliber of 152mm to a "transitional" one of 203-234mm? After all, not an insufficient range of 152mm guns. Even under Tsushima they were already hitting by 60kbt, and in WW1 their range became even greater - up to 80-90kbt. It was just that at long distances their accuracy dropped so much that firing from the SC became ineffective. Also with the main caliber. Superdreadnoughts with 343-356-381mm cannons pushed the bar for effective fire even further, and previous dreadnoughts and battleships with 305mm guns could do little to oppose them at these distances. The heavier the projectile, the more accurate and stable it behaves in flight.
              1. Kars
                Kars 13 May 2014 09: 58
                +2
                Quote: Krang
                Always below Kars. Always lower. Heavy guns are a priori more accurate.

                Bring proof? Ah? Such a stretch can be said for firing at extremely long distances, and then KVO 40 meters, against 55 is not a big difference.
                Quote: Krang
                Does this explain the transition on battleships from a medium caliber of 152mm to a "transitional" one of 203-234mm?

                an increase in battle distances and an increase in booking, and then 152 mm caliber returned to capital ships. There are no 8-9 inches on one battleship, and the average caliber is presented from 130 to 155 mm
                Quote: Krang
                Just at large distances, their accuracy dropped so much that firing from the SK became ineffective

                Is it possible to pruff? Accuracy in comparison with what? But besides accuracy, armor piercing probably increased in your opinion?

                Quote: Krang
                The heavier the shell, the more accurate and stable it behaves in flight.

                what are you crazy ideas from some facts you can bring, I'm just amazed.
                1. Crang
                  13 May 2014 10: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  Bring proof? Ah? Such a stretch can be said for firing at extremely long distances, and then KVO 40 meters, against 55 is not a big difference.

                  Heavy guns are always more accurate. This is just Kars physics. They are much less affected by wind, pressure and temperature. 152mm projectile in frontal projection area is more than 76mm about 3 times, and 8-10 times heavier. That's all arithmetic.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Is it possible to pruff? Accuracy in comparison with what? But besides accuracy, armor piercing probably increased in your opinion?

                  Kars of medium caliber on battleships armor-piercing was and is needed and is not needed because they couldn’t penetrate the serious defense of the enemy’s battleship’s VHF at any point. For them - the main high-explosive action of shells, which is independent of distance and rate of fire. As a result, the average caliber in the form of 140-170mm installations on armadillos per minute produced more metal than the main caliber (on which the task lay just to pierce the armor). Raising the average caliber to 203-234mm - this is just an unsuccessful attempt to increase the effective range of fire. They increased it, but it was of little use - the SC essentially turned into a tactical team in tactical terms.
                  Quote: Kars
                  .No on one battleship there are no 8-9 inches, and the average caliber is presented from 130 to 155 mm

                  This is not the UK. These are universal tools combining the functions of SK, PMK and air defense.
                  1. Stas57
                    Stas57 13 May 2014 11: 43
                    -2
                    Quote: Krang
                    Heavy guns are always more accurate. This is just Kars physics.

                    Ruklitsa, of course you have at hand diagrams and calculations from the main art management?
                  2. Kars
                    Kars 14 May 2014 18: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Krang
                    Heavy guns are always more accurate. It's just Kars physics

                    Pruff to the studio.
                    Quote: Krang
                    Kars of medium caliber on battleships armor-piercing was and is needed and is not needed because they couldn’t penetrate the serious defense of the enemy’s battleship’s VHF at any point.

                    and shoot neither cruisers? destroyers? now you say that in the battleships of the battleships there were no armor-piercing 6 inches.
                    Quote: Krang
                    For them - the main high-explosive action of shells, which does not depend on distance and rate of fire
                    This is for the period between Sino-Japanese First World War

                    Quote: Krang
                    Raising the average caliber to 203-234mm is just an unsuccessful attempt to increase the effective fire range

                    to advise you what to read? about the evolution of battleships battleships?
                    Quote: Krang
                    This is not the UK. These are universal tools combining the functions of SK, PMK and air defense.

                    What was required to prove, at least for sure you will say that for them range and accuracy do not play a role.
        2. Crang
          13 May 2014 08: 16
          0
          Quote: Kars
          I don’t smile to die in a nuclear apocalypse.

          And you will die anyway. I'm telling you - we are one people. And if they destroy us, then be sure - it will be the same with you. At best, you will be destined for the fate of slaves, but most likely they will simply be destroyed like us. And so that we would not be destroyed by Kars - we must be together. As in the song: "Let's join hands, friends, so that we don't disappear one by one."
          1. Kars
            Kars 13 May 2014 09: 20
            +2
            Quote: Krang
            And you will perish.

            What optimism. I’ll hope that before that you’ll just fall from the stairs and you won’t balamute the water.
  22. Jager
    Jager 12 May 2014 23: 37
    +2
    Article to the end NIASILIL. The author read a couple of Wikipedia articles and uploaded VO monstrous nonsense. I will not even comment on individual pearls.
    PS: studied the history of BTT "long before it became mainstream."
    1. Crang
      13 May 2014 09: 08
      -2
      I feel the resentful voice of a German.
    2. Stas57
      Stas57 13 May 2014 11: 44
      +1
      everything is simpler - an article by a minor gamer who bends on KVAS, and therefore he is the best!
  23. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 13 May 2014 07: 18
    -2
    Quote from the article
    The commanders of German tanks up to the Royal Tiger had only an immovable turret with several observation devices and poorly controlled the situation from the inside of the tank. This forced German tank commanders to often lean out of the hatch with binoculars, as a result of which many of them became victims of shrapnel or sniper fire
    I remembered Steven Spielberg's film: "Saving Private Ryan" Stupid in the sense ... there a whole bunch of heroes die because of one soldier. So, there is an episode in it where the TIGER COMMANDER (for some reason in a cap and not in a helmet) looks like a general at a distance of no more than 50 meters from American heroes, not only with binoculars leaning out of the hatch, but leaning out to the waist and throwing up his hand fire shouts ahead heart-rendingly! And so several times ... I then thought: phot psycho suicide ... The funny thing is how this tank was knocked out ... And without hitting the crazy Fritz by the way, I got a bunch of cartridges. These snipers who did not get into a psycho Knocked down by shooting a pistol into the muzzle of a tank, hitting a high-explosive projectile while loading a sniper rifle ... Fantastic and only ... The same can be said about the game ... Virtual reality is addictive. But it's time to get down to earth.
    1. Kars
      Kars 13 May 2014 09: 22
      +1
      Quote: Peacemaker
      who got into a psycho They knocked out a shot from a pistol at the barrel of a tank,

      you did not look carefully --- American attack aircraft appeared from behind the hanks
  24. goose
    goose 13 May 2014 14: 33
    -1
    Quote: EvilLion
    KV-2 is a pure concrete grinder, there were no other goals for it then, another thing is that even KV-1 barely crawled with the existing engine, so the idea of ​​development did not get, they preferred to make easier self-propelled guns.

    KV-2 with a 130 mm gun is not at all concrete.
    As far as I understood from the tests and memoirs, the "heavy" KV-1 of the first releases in the field had an average speed of more than the T-34, tk. had a more advanced chassis and gearbox. Among his peers in the field, only PzKpfw-IIIH (J) overtook him. With the advent of the KV-1S, it began to overtake the T-34 and T-34-85 in any conditions. Only the Panther circled him, and even then not in all conditions, but she outperformed everyone from serious tanks.

    On the road, of course, a different alignment, but tanks do not drive on roads. They brought them to the train - unloaded them, a march to the front line up to 50 km to the place of attack. Then a breakthrough in the fields of 100-300 kilometers with a range of up to 500-600 km.
    1. Crang
      13 May 2014 14: 48
      0
      Quote: goose
      KV-2 with a 130 mm gun is not at all concrete.

      On the KV-2 gun was never installed caliber 130mm.
      Quote: goose
      As far as I understood from the tests and memoirs, the "heavy" KV-1 of the first releases in the field had an average speed of more than the T-34, tk. had a more advanced chassis and gearbox.

      The chassis has practically no effect on speed, but the KV-1 gearbox was really better than the T-34 and had five stages, versus four. This myth may be due to the fact that the first batches of the T-34 due to the unavailability of the diesel engine were equipped with 17-hp M-400 aviation gasoline engines.
    2. Stas57
      Stas57 14 May 2014 18: 17
      0
      Quote: goose
      As far as I understood from the tests and memoirs, the "heavy" KV-1 of the first releases in the field had an average speed of more than the T-34, tk. had a more advanced chassis and gearbox. Among his peers in the field, only PzKpfw-IIIH (J) overtook him. With the advent of the KV-1S, it began to overtake the T-34 and T-34-85 in any conditions. Only the Panther circled him, and even then not in all conditions, but she outperformed everyone from serious tanks.

      this is news.
      in the first place, speed is not important, but reliability, which was not there.
      secondly, there was no speed either (initially the same, and then the 34 showed 54 km / h), about who overtook anyone in the field, here you played enough toys.
  25. goose
    goose 13 May 2014 15: 07
    +1
    Quote: Krang
    In this case, the basis is still an artillery system, and a shell is only a way to transfer the energy of this artillery system to the enemy as efficiently as possible. Even before the war and in its first years, the production of perfect tank guns of quite modern calibers was set up, which even today are put on the main battle tanks. Without going into details regarding small-caliber trifles, these are 100mm S-34 and D-10 guns. This is a 107mm ZiS-6 gun. These are 122mm guns of the D-25 series. These tank artillery systems were at that time the most powerful in the world and in their muzzle energy were significantly superior to the guns of Western tanks. The Germans took a different, erroneous path, trying to squeeze the maximum out of relatively small-caliber guns of caliber 75mm and 88mm. As a result, their rather small guns in size and weight were comparable to the much larger Soviet ones. As a result, where the Germans had 75mm guns, ours placed an 85mm or 100mm gun. Where the Germans had 88mm guns, we had 100mm and 122mm.

    In fact, the traditions of art building, chemistry, and heavy industry should not be denied.

    1. It all started with the formulas of armor penetration and ballistics of guns. At the same time, one cannot speak of any one-sided approach of individual nations to calculations. But the conclusions were different. The topic of armor penetration of steel armor plates came from the fleet. For German artillery, the traditional approach was a light projectile - high speed in the navy. The Russian army began to move away from this topic after the REV in favor of a moderate speed and heavy projectile, to ensure armor penetration at long distances to the detriment of others.
    2. Caliber guns. If you do not take technological traditions into your mind, then in both armies the MINIMUM caliber was always taken to break through the active thickness of the armor. This came out of the conditions of the weight of the guns, ammunition, rate of fire, cost, etc. reasons. BUT ... it turned out that in wartime industry, even the German one, was not able to provide a huge mobilization army with high-quality shells. Greater loads in the bore + transverse and longitudinal loads when faced with an obstacle forced to increase strength due to expensive and non-technological steels, reduce explosive charge and worsen the ballistic shape of the projectile, sacrificing all the conditions stated above. Therefore, it remained only to increase the caliber. The Germans just lasted a little longer, because until 1943 in our army there were a limited number of medium and heavy tanks. In addition, it turned out that there were a lot of engineering structures and anti-tank equipment on the battlefield that needed to be suppressed by the tank’s means on their own, and for this, a projectile with the power of the OFS no lower than the old 3-inch low ballistics was needed.
    3. Long barrel length. In addition to an increase in the initial speed, it sharply reduces the% of the finished product yield (and this is cost and time), is subject to thermal deformation, and periodic mechanical bending vibrations, since a heavy barrel of this length is problematic. This is a double-edged sword. At that time, these problems were just beginning to be investigated, and they did not yet know how to treat at the design stage. On the example of Karius's book, it is clearly seen what problems the KWK-43 had at the end of the war against the good old KWK-36 at the "Tiger". Those. she could only maintain her data until the first shot in battle. And by the way, a large relative barrel length is not always needed, for example, in the American 5 "/ 38 Mark-12, the muzzle velocity reached 792 m / s, with a very difficult 25 kg projectile and about 4 mm of armor penetration for 120 km.
    1. Crang
      13 May 2014 15: 37
      -1
      What a fine fellow Zaya.
  26. navara399
    navara399 13 May 2014 18: 14
    -1
    And I kept "Kvass" for myself in the hangar, for the soul. Nice tank.
  27. taksist
    taksist 14 May 2014 21: 58
    0
    Everything becomes obsolete with time, but then - it was the Effect! am
  28. Inquisi
    Inquisi 29 July 2014 22: 49
    0
    HERE terminology does not seem to be very relevant here. There are a lot of conjectures / mistakes, for example, KV-1s with powerful artillery systems were not so innovative, IS-2 was much more effective and with at least some reserve for modernization.
  29. sds127
    sds127 29 October 2015 00: 28
    0
    PRO SMOOTHING ON 34-KE DELIVERED)