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Out of flight



The aircraft Yak-130 crashed during a training flight in the Astrakhan region, the crew commander was killed. Presumably, the accident occurred due to engine failure.

On the evening of April 15 in the Astrakhan region in 25 km southeast of Akhtubinsk during the training flight, not having time to approach the runway, the Yak-130 crashed.

As told to the Interfax-South agency in the regional emergency services, the plane fell about 25 km from the departure point.

“The crash occurred during landing. At a distance of approximately 20 km from the runway, the Yak-130 lost control. The pilots, on command of the flight leader, ejected. One of them died. According to the report of the second pilot, - A source familiar with the situation told Interfax-AVN. He clarified that both pilots are from the Borisoglebsky Training and Research Center for the Air Force.

“A commission has been created to investigate this flight incident, it is now flying to the airfield and will start work soon,” the source said a few hours after the tragedy.

Later it became known that the commander of the training aircraft was killed. The co-pilot is alive, but was seriously injured.

"The lieutenant colonel was killed, the co-pilot - the captain was injured, his condition is assessed by doctors as moderate," the Interfax-South news agency was told in the security forces of the region.

According to the head of the press service and information department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Major General Igor Konashenkov, the life of the second pilot is out of danger. He also added that there is no destruction at the site of the crash of the aircraft on the ground. Investigation of the incident will the Commission of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

A day after the crash, a source close to the commission investigating this flight incident told the Interfax-AVN news agency that the accident was most likely due to aircraft engine problems.

"The main version of the cause of the crash of the Yak-130 near Akhtubinsk, according to preliminary data, is the failure of the aircraft engine," the agency’s source said.

However, the commission will make public the final conclusions about the cause of the disaster only after the completion of the investigation.

Immediately after the Yak-130 crashed, the leadership of the Russian Air Force decided to stop flights of all aircraft of this type until the causes of the crash were clarified - this practice is common in such cases.

Yak-130 began to develop at the beginning of 1990's. In 1996, the aircraft made the first flight, and in 2002, it was chosen as the basic aircraft of the Air Force for training pilots. It is the main component of the training complex of the Air Force of Russia, which includes an integrated system of objective control, training computer classes, flight training and specialized simulators.

Yak-130 is designed both for training and combat training of flight personnel, and for combat use in simple and complex meteorological conditions for air and ground targets. The total combat load on nine external suspension nodes can reach 3 tons. The crew of the training aircraft consists of two people.

The flight-technical and maneuverability characteristics of the Yak-130 are close to those of modern fighters at subsonic flight speeds. The plane allows at the modern level to solve the problem of training pilots of Russian and foreign combat aircraft of the generation "4 +" and "5".

Serial production of this type of aircraft is conducted by Irkutsk aviation plant. Currently, the Russian Air Force has 48 Yak-130 aircraft, which are part of the 209th training air base in Borisoglebsk, Voronezh Region.

However, the incident with the Yak-130 - not the first. Before, these planes had already been crashed during training flights. For example, a similar case, but without casualties, occurred in May 2010, near Lipetsk.

Then the plane went to take off on the territory of the 4-th Center for combat training and retraining of flight personnel of the Russian Air Force. However, the car crashed to the ground, both pilots managed to eject, and they became alive.

For the investigation of the accident created a special commission. Then, arguing about the cause of the accident before all the circumstances were clarified, the experts called two versions - equipment failure and pilot error. Then the experts said that the engines of the fallen plane were intact, and the Yak-130 crashed near Lipetsk, presumably due to a failure of the control system.

The investigation of the four-year-old case took almost three months. In August 2010 of the year, then-in-Chief of the Air Force, Colonel-General Alexander Zelin, reported that the Yak-130 had weak technical positions.

“The investigation has been completed. As soon as we receive an opinion on it, we will carry out all the necessary measures related to the further development of this aircraft. I think that there are organizational and technical issues in this direction, with the latter prevailing,” he said. "technical issues are mainly related to the preparation of equipment on earth", and "the human factor is not excluded."

At the same time, the former commander-in-chief of the Air Force called the Yak-130 "a very successful aircraft." “The flight and management team applauded the appearance of this car,” he added.

This year, a few days before the incident near Akhtubinsky, the commander-in-chief of the Air Force of Russia, Lieutenant-General Viktor Bondarev told reporters that the Air Force is waiting for more YN-16 training aircraft.

“We are getting the Yak-130 at a tremendous pace and this year we are still getting 16 airplanes for training. We have what to train and who,” he said.

The general stressed that the Russian Air Force is carrying out "tremendous work" to popularize the flight business. According to him, the last three years, this was somewhat hampered by the lack of recruitment of cadets in flight schools. However, since last year, the situation began to improve.

“I think we’ll remove the problem this year. Compared to last year, there are already three times more applications to flight schools, and there is still time for submitting documents,” said Viktor Bondarev.

Meanwhile, the 16 of April in the Moscow region of Alabino hosted the first training of military aviation, which this year will take part in the May Victory Parade 9. All the alleged flight equipment took part in the rehearsal, with the exception of four Yak-130: they were still not allowed to fly until the cause of the accident was ascertained. Perhaps due to the recent catastrophe, the Yakovlev attack aircraft in the 2014 year will not be able to take part in the Moscow parade in honor of the May 9.
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  1. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch April 18 2014 07: 18
    +18
    The earth rest in peace ... Why do they die during bailouts? Was the height insufficient?
    1. Stalevar
      Stalevar April 18 2014 07: 21
      +11
      But the ejection seat K 36 class 0-0.
      1. Stalevar
        Stalevar April 18 2014 07: 27
        +7
        Although sometimes when bailouts get injuries that are not compatible with life. In any case, a tragedy. Sorry for the pilot!
      2. VAF
        VAF April 18 2014 10: 59
        +7
        Quote: Stalevar
        ejection seat K 36 class 0-0.


        Only if there is no such parameter. As V vertical drop soldier
    2. ispaniard
      ispaniard April 18 2014 13: 26
      +3
      I agree, the technique can be restored, but people can’t be returned already ... (((Earth in fluff ...
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    4. ar-ren
      ar-ren April 18 2014 16: 22
      0
      There was a rumor that the deceased flew without a jumpsuit. I can not confirm or deny.
      1. VAF
        VAF April 18 2014 16: 56
        +3
        Quote: ar-ren
        There was a rumor that the deceased flew without a jumpsuit. I can not confirm or deny.


        What does it mean without overalls belay ... is it in his underwear or in blue silk underwear? wink so it is out of season in the "radiculitis" to intermeddle.
        Maybe all the same without PPK ???? So if stability and controllability ... or combat maneuvering, then this is unlikely, for ny> 5 ... not comme il faut ... I'll tell you wassat
        1. ar-ren
          ar-ren April 18 2014 17: 01
          +1
          The senior instructor, according to preliminary data, died due to the fact that he went on a flight without special overalls, he is heavy, but protects pilots in case of emergency.
          http://www.kp.ru/daily/26219/3103523/

          Therefore, I kind of say - I can neither confirm nor deny.
          1. VAF
            VAF April 18 2014 17: 17
            +4
            Quote: ar-ren
            Therefore, I kind of say - I can neither confirm nor deny.


            Exceptionally friendly advice, +! drinks
            If you are trying to find out something about the "moment" you are interested in, then never use the services of the yellow press. Especially when the afftors .. ladies wassat
            Fully specialized aviation publications .. where more or less you can find out what interests you! wink
            And here ... "knightly armor" .. if it were not for the tragedy of this situation, I would have walked through these hack ladies. well ... negative
  2. Signaller
    Signaller April 18 2014 07: 22
    +5
    It happens. I feel sorry for the pilot. Apparently the failure led to the fact that the plane began to fall chaotically. If I were flying in a straight line, everything would be fine. Will sort it out.
  3. Grenz
    Grenz April 18 2014 07: 28
    +13
    The plane can be really good, but it is assembled at our factory, where cool specialists have plagued decades of experience. And the neophytes who arrived did not yet have the proper qualifications. Remember that the rocket did not put the satellite into orbit due to an incorrectly installed angular velocity sensor. The girl was mistaken. And here it is - the girl was mistaken, and people died and the task was not completed.
    Rogozin would be quicker to restore order in the department.
    1. SHILO
      SHILO April 18 2014 07: 41
      +12
      Quote: grenz
      The girl was mistaken.


      If my memory serves me, then the boy set the sensor and did not set it for the first time (the story is muddy to horror). In short, the example is not correct.
      1. Grenz
        Grenz April 18 2014 09: 11
        +5
        Fact is fact. Let there be a boy. Let there be even someone's agent. Once a muddy story. That doesn't interest me. The fact is important to me - the rocket did not fly. And why - these are details for the investigator. Enough under each puncture to breed turbidity. Gouging is gouging,
    2. Grbear
      Grbear April 18 2014 07: 51
      +7
      Grenz
      ... a factory where for decades harassed classy professionals. And the neophytes who arrived did not yet have the proper qualifications.

      That's for sure. Special that tree. Growing beautiful is long and costly, crooked is long, but without hassle (what is, it lives), and ruining ...
    3. Ustin
      Ustin April 18 2014 08: 12
      +1
      You can ask the question: “Who are you plowing for, troll?” If you do not have information about the aircraft and the company where it was made, shut up.
      1. Grenz
        Grenz April 18 2014 09: 21
        +1
        He was not a troll.
        If you have information, then tell me why, with good assembly and experienced pilots, the plane crashed. But in fact, he is not the first. And they were taken away from the parade.
        Accurate in the estimates.
        1. VAF
          VAF April 18 2014 09: 57
          +9
          Quote: grenz
          Accurate in the estimates.


          Dear, it’s up to you to be more careful in assessments .... What does the airplane and its assembly have to do with if, according to preliminary estimates of the disaster, the cause is engine failure ????
          Or maybe fuel? Or maybe a bird? Or maybe ... actually hell that is possible.
          It's IRON ...
          have you never had anything with a car that just happened from nowhere?
          But by car, you can turn to the curb or to the curb, but here?
          And do not "drive" to Irkut ... there ... as you put it ... "non-specialists" are not kept! soldier
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas April 18 2014 13: 59
            +4
            Quote: vaf
            What does the airplane and its assembly have to do with if, according to preliminary estimates of the disaster, the cause is engine failure ????
            Or maybe fuel? Or maybe a bird? Or maybe ... actually hell that is possible.
            It's IRON ...
            have you never had anything with a car that just happened from nowhere?
            But by car, you can turn to the curb or to the curb, but here?
            And do not "drive" to Irkut ... there ... as you put it ... "non-specialists" are not kept!

            Good day, Sergey. I agree with you that in Irkutsk a modern enterprise with good staff, considerable investments were made in the plant. But the fact that three cars have already been lost cannot be avoided. It is alarming that the Yak-130 is an aircraft designed for training and, accordingly, must be superior in reliability to military vehicles. Judging by the text, the aircraft was not controlled by novices, not even more than novices, so it is doubtful that the catastrophe is the result of their inexperience. One thing remains, the car itself. I am a skeptic and a pessimist in life, for which I always swear (this undoubtedly helps not to slide into a state of complete denial ...) therefore I treat the Yakovlev Design Bureau to put it mildly badly because it didn’t make a single sensible jet machine expelling folk remedies into the unimaginable quantities. Accordingly, the Yak-130 is a bad car and will kill more than one pilot.
            1. VAF
              VAF April 18 2014 17: 09
              +10
              Quote: Nayhas
              But the fact that three cars have already been lost cannot be avoided. It is alarming that the Yak-130 is an aircraft designed for training and, accordingly, should be superior in reliability to military vehicles


              Eugene and I. Categorically drinks
              Here you are wrong not ALREADY, but of all, this is time. SECOND .. and most importantly the plane was in GLICE !!!.
              Already wrote below, remember the disaster of Kruzhilin and Matches!
              If you tell me how many lives of pilots took MiG-21, and Tu-22 recourse
              And how many friends I have died .... pilots from GOD ... even flew on a stool. Without a motor.
              Unfortunately, but it always has been. There is and ... unfortunately, it will be.
              Eternal glory to the fallen Sergey Seryogin! soldier
            2. 52
              52 April 18 2014 19: 17
              0
              But the Yak-30 and 32 were at the time of their appearance, even nothing. At least elka was worse
          2. Grenz
            Grenz April 18 2014 14: 48
            0
            Or maybe, maybe, maybe !!!
            What kind of iron is this for the training of boys, which just might not fly like that. And about the engine. Are you seriously? Shit is brought to your factory .. and you put it on a plane. What do you have, the plane and the engine fly separately.
            THIS IS A TRAINING PLANE. Who fasts for you - whether he will put his son at the helm.
            I do not drive.
            You tell your mother about, and maybe the family of the deceased pilot.
            You did not convince me, and I do not change the assessment.
            I understand that they affected your professional interest, I agree with you that I really want to have good planes, they will be, but for now yes - some fly still badly and this is a fact.
            1. kirpich
              kirpich April 18 2014 17: 23
              +1
              In fact, all of this is strange. An aircraft equipped with ejected seats K-36, going down the glide path falls and destroys the pilots.
              The k-36dm seat saved pilot A. Kvochur in 1989 in Le Bourget (height 80 meters, angle of inclination 90 degrees). In 2002, pilots V. Toponar and Y. Egorov catapulted after the plane hit the ground (both pilots were alive).
              This is to say that we can’t talk about birds or grazing trees (Akhtubinsk steppes) here.
              1. VAF
                VAF April 18 2014 18: 12
                +3
                Quote: kirpich
                .Airplane equipped with ejection seats K-36, leaving the glide path falls and destroys pilots.


                Nothing strange, because circumstances can be any.
                the plane did not enter the glide path. and at least was in the area of ​​the 3rd turn (D-25 km) or the 2nd double turn. in IA, IBA and FBA they fly not in a "box", but in 2 turns of 180 degrees. soldier
                And the entrance to the glide path is at an altitude of 500 meters in a circle, the Range is 10 km. And if 400 meters, then -8 km.
                Kvochur was very lucky. he was already jumping on a descent plane from a vertical of about 15 meters per second, and if it hadn’t for the explosion. which filled the canopy of Anatoly’s parachute ... he wouldn’t be with us.
                Toponar and Egorov jumped from a plane that was descending at a very low vertical speed and jumped upwards ... and therefore remained alive.
                What was at Seryogin ... is not yet known .. there will be a conclusion of the commission we will draw conclusions.
                One thing can be assumed. that they started jumping late .. so this is the result! soldier
            2. VAF
              VAF April 18 2014 17: 34
              +9
              Quote: grenz
              Or maybe, maybe, maybe !!!


              That's it and the only way ... it’s not for you to knock on the clave! soldier
              The reasons may be exactly MASS !!!

              Quote: grenz
              And about the engine. Are you seriously? Shit is brought to your factory .. and you put it on a plane. What do you have, the plane and the engine fly separately.


              Quite! It never occurred to you, although it is unlikely, since judging by your comments you are very far from aviation (this is not a rebuke or an insult, I just put you in the frame and reduce your seals).
              \ That the plane belongs to VUTsU ... it’s already flown over and that the engines on it already after the repair of Salyutovsky .. continue to explain or you will understand.
              The plane landed in a landing configuration, at minimum speeds and at an altitude of 500 or 600 meters (depending on the runway). Most likely. 500.
              And at this time the engine gets up ... the reasons can again. Maybe. Maybe the VG temperature and vibration and oil are small and surging and fire, etc.
              What is the loss of traction with all the junk released and you know when you do not have a second boosted engine.
              Correctly falling brick. At the same time, a 100% failure of power systems and CDS .. and you will put your son here or not.
              They don’t bring them to the factory, but the regiment is the same. But at the same time ALWAYS the RACE of the engine will be passed. Then a run, and then FLYING ... at least
              And only after that the aircraft is allowed for operation, if everything is in accordance with TU !!!
              Zhenya FROLOV HAS JUMPED WITH SU-35bm. So what about Su-35 ???
              I'm not going to convince you.
              Mother and family Seregin condolences.
              I don’t know about you. I’m very often .. much more often than I wanted to .. and came to families .. here with such news and look into the eyes and coffins on their shoulders to take out and lower into the ground .... a lot of things was .. so it's not for you to judge and evaluate me! soldier
              1. Grenz
                Grenz April 18 2014 17: 56
                +2
                Welcome.
                Let's not talk about that anymore.
                Your conviction is quite evident and it is difficult to disagree with it.
                With respect, I treat people who know and are worried about work, who have experienced a lot. I apologize.
                Although my life experience was not acquired on the pavement, I saw everyone, too.
                1. VAF
                  VAF April 18 2014 18: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: grenz
                  Welcome.
                  Let's not talk about that anymore.


                  +! drinks

                  Quote: grenz
                  Although my life experience was not acquired on the pavement, I saw everyone, too.


                  Do not be upset and do not be offended by the old man drinks Absolutely no offense and nothing personal soldier
                  1. Grenz
                    Grenz April 18 2014 20: 40
                    +1
                    I agree!
                    And in full.
                    Old man's style until morning drinks
            3. Andrey77
              Andrey77 April 19 2014 15: 28
              +1
              Yak-130 is a great car. Use it all over the world. To educate the boys and created. I do not understand where does professional interest. In this matter, much is not clear, but to drive the car - in the last turn.
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  4. asar
    asar April 18 2014 07: 40
    +3
    Rest in peace!
  5. jPilot
    jPilot April 18 2014 08: 05
    +6
    Rest in peace. And there are many factors affecting the bailout, starting from preparing the position of the body ..... The commission will sort it out. Condolences to the family.
  6. valersvet
    valersvet April 18 2014 08: 28
    +4
    ... presumably ... due to engine malfunction ...

    if I am not mistaken, the manufacturer of engines "Motor Sich" (Ukraine) has been proven by years of cooperation, that is, an experienced one, and not a one-day "horn-hoof".

    pilot memory!
    1. boom_bah
      boom_bah April 18 2014 09: 39
      +4
      The engines are made at Motor Sich and Salyut. And it's not a fact that this is an engine yet. As far as I remember, the control system failed in previous incidents.
  7. inkass_98
    inkass_98 April 18 2014 08: 46
    +3
    "Yakovlev attack aircraft in the 2014 year will not be able to take part in the Moscow parade in honor of the 9 in May.
    "
    And what kind of beast is this - "Yakovlev attack aircraft"? If only they wrote correctly about the plane.
  8. La-5
    La-5 April 18 2014 08: 53
    +4
    The aircraft was developed jointly with the Italian company Ermakki, the Italians have their own clone of Yak - AEM 130.
    1. 0255
      0255 April 18 2014 11: 48
      +1
      Interestingly, the Italian version of the Yak-130 did not fall?
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 April 18 2014 12: 21
        0
        If desired, you can fall on a bicycle. Ours have not fallen yet.
      2. ar-ren
        ar-ren April 18 2014 16: 21
        0
        NYA, no. Moreover, the Israelis liked him and they bought it to train their pilots.
  9. Tyundey
    Tyundey April 18 2014 09: 33
    +4
    At large angles of roll, the bailout does not occur vertically, so the pilot could be injured from a collision with local objects (trees, buildings or the ground). There was a case when during the ejection from the MiG-31 one of the crew members flew into the pines in the runway area and died when and where I do not remember.
    1. VAF
      VAF April 18 2014 18: 24
      +1
      Quote: Tyundey
      accordingly, the pilot could be injured from a collision with local objects (trees, buildings or land).


      I’ll put a box of cognac if you find me at least one tree in the Astrakhan steppes in this area wink up to Baskunchak, the bare steppe. Trees are only on the shores of Akhtuba and wolves, and there are also in Kap.Yaru.
      Banal injuries can simply be from unsuccessful contempt. Not fully filling the dome (later bailout) and the buildup is longitudinal.
      I have not been revealed any damage. and after 5 years I went to the air defense hospital for stats. examination and bam ..... 3 hernias of all 3 departments, although it landed quite comfortably .. in the sand wink
  10. sv68
    sv68 April 18 2014 10: 25
    +2
    land to the pilot in fluff. but do not drive a plane, a beautiful bird turned out
  11. rubin6286
    rubin6286 April 18 2014 10: 50
    +9
    Over the years, I happened to pilot the UTI MiG-15, Czechoslovak L-29, L-39. Each of them had its own advantages and disadvantages, but there was no such full-fledged training complex of the Russian Air Force, which was created on the basis of the Yak-130, although the need had ripened by the mid-80s with the adoption of Su-fighters 27 and MiG-29. The process of adopting the Yak-130 UTS has been delayed and now the aircraft is in the development stage. According to pilots, this is a successful and promising car. Unfortunately, as Louis Bleriot said, "what flies sometimes falls." I hope that the commission will understand the causes of the crash. It seems to me that the reason is not only and not so much in engine failure, but in the failure of the control system and the subsequent change in the position of the aircraft relative to the earth's surface, which affected the results of the bailout, if we take into account that the K-36 chair is quite reliable and well-developed design.
    1. VAF
      VAF April 18 2014 11: 12
      +14
      Quote: rubin6286
      It seems to me that the reason is not only and not so much in engine failure, but in the failure of the control system and the subsequent change in the position of the aircraft relative to the earth's surface, which affected the results of the bailout, if we take into account that the K-36 chair is quite reliable and well-developed design.


      I completely agree +! soldier and I note that on modern machines engine failure very often leads to CDS failures.
      Moreover, it is necessary to take into account that fact. what6
      1. Where they flew (GLITS).
      2.25 km from the Center ... i.e. in RIP No. 1 (area of ​​test flights).
      3. What task was performed (stability and controllability. Combat use. Combat maneuvering, etc.)
      remember kruzhilina and a match .. their eternal memory!
      And if the failure occurred during the execution of the downward figure. Yes also at the bottom point? when the ore to the maximum. and then fluff and hitting ????
      And heights .. with a gulkin nose.
      4. All the more so. That someone was taken out or familiarized. and also what 2 settings 2 CDS were .. what kind of car.
      Those. questions .. more than.
      And on the chair ... I had a failure at 1500 meters on a dive (37 degrees according to the SOC analysis later) .. up to 1000 meters I tried to fix something, but ... there was a complete failure of all systems, plus a fire ... at 800 meters I make a decision on ... "transfer to a parachute and go the remaining distance to the house .. on foot"
      According to the analysis, I "came out" at an altitude of 230 meters ..... (vertical was about 75 "meters per second") still a little bit and ... a mouth full of earth soldier
      Yes .. Su-17M3 plane good
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 April 18 2014 12: 18
        +1
        There are a million questions. But the fact that 130 is not a mastered training machine is not in any framework.
      2. andj61
        andj61 April 18 2014 13: 11
        +2
        These are two professional reviews!
      3. bubalik
        bubalik April 18 2014 16: 21
        +1
        vaf (1) RU  Today, 11: 12

        I have a failure,


        ,,, always admired the courage of divers and pilots !!

        Hats off to you hi
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      5. samoletil18
        samoletil18 April 18 2014 17: 44
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        VAF
        To go nuts! hi soldier
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 18 2014 12: 11
      +1
      The engine has been tested for years, the control system - a couple of months at the stand. I agree with your opinion.
  12. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign April 18 2014 11: 10
    +2
    To the deceased - land rest in peace, long memory and condolences to the family! ..
    Warfare is complex and honorable because sometimes defenders die without war. Still, the plane is new - development is underway in the troops. The causes of the accident that caused the death of the pilot may be a lot (see the opinion of colleagues above). It is necessary to wait for the conclusion of the commission.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 18 2014 12: 14
      +1
      To the deceased - the earth rest in peace. But the plane is not new! What is the development? On it, youth cadets fly for a long time.
  13. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 18 2014 13: 06
    +1
    Unfortunately, with the advent of new technology and its development, these incidents are inevitable.
  14. samoletil18
    samoletil18 April 18 2014 17: 40
    +1
    Rest in peace. Everlasting memory. Condolences to the near and dear ones. Woe ...
  15. dmit-xnumx
    dmit-xnumx April 18 2014 17: 44
    +2
    In 1972 I had the opportunity to collect something, then it was left of two young, in their prime, pilots who crashed on the MIG-21 twin. I also found SARPP-12 (System for Automatic Flight Registration), which, however, fell out of the block, but .. the moment of the disaster turned out to be illuminated (I don’t know modern Registrars, and then the recording was done on film). I still remember the names of the pilots and titles ..
    To all our defenders who have perished - Eternal Memory.
  16. Timburton
    Timburton April 18 2014 17: 48
    +2
    The most likely reason is the failure of the KSU.
  17. Signaller
    Signaller April 18 2014 18: 40
    +3
    Sometimes I wrote it right. there was a case (I did not come up with it myself from the book I took) Mig 17 crashed. All is honor. Passed-accepted, acts-protocols. The commission found. The reason the bolt loosely dangles in cavity No. is that which led to jamming something. Summary-It is required to put things in order on the aircraft assembly line. We decided, we wrote a bunch of papers. We got the answers, checked everything, everything is tip-top. After that, a commission comes to this plant. Everyone goes to the assembly shop and the chairman says, “In this hatch under this cover there was a BOLT that led to this accident. Let's see what you have there. They opened the hatch. Predkomissi sticks his hand in there and ...... Pulls out the same bolt from there .... The scene is dumb. "We were not expected." Then three more bolts were found, in the same place. Technology, however .. Breakaway bolts. Tightened to the full, he all came off. And they forgot about him. Nonsense, a penny, and the car with the man was lost.
  18. rocketman
    rocketman April 19 2014 02: 09
    -1
    And yet it is not clear why the pilot was killed during the ejection, and the second was seriously injured. Recently in Starokonstantinov, when landing, the pilot made a mistake, the plane went into a "progressing goat". After the second jump, the pilots ejected at the command of the RP. Height - 4 (!) Meters. Both are alive, no injuries (other than nervous stress, which is understandable).
    I hope the reasons are announced. safety first and foremost.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 19 2014 15: 15
      +1
      We know about the tragedy from the words of the media. Reasons will not be announced. All materials will be chipboard at best. Believe me.
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 19 2014 15: 20
      0
      The crash occurred during the approach. At a distance of about 20 km from the runway, the Yak-130 lost control (?)
      --
      Approach and 20 km from the strip .. for the training aircraft do not fit. Pros! Approach even in training flight less. Well, 2-3 km. but not 20!
      1. VAF
        VAF April 19 2014 17: 17
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        Quote: Andrey77
        Approach and 20 km from the strip .. for the training aircraft do not fit.


        Andrew welcome!
        fits in and even like. is he not alone in the circle? And if someone else just slaps to the fourth or just in a U-turn? that’s held out (as a version).
        Not at school there as if in a textbook .. it's a small box. It's big. It's 2 me at 180. Then from the line. It's at the calculated angle.
        Only here it wasn’t a school.
        Well, about 2-3 km .. you bent it .. around the tail it is possible only .. "for a moment and my deputies" this time .... the second, under the 2 fence of the planned table. When there is ... hell, yes .. no shit ".. that's when the extreme flight almost around the tail .. but this is only for experienced pilot pilots.
        Plus, "clumsy journalists" provide information .. although everything that happens after establishing communication with the RP or RPBZ can already be called the construction of a scheme for an approach
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 April 22 2014 13: 44
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          Once again - is it a training flight? I am silent about journalists, but in a combat situation? Someone else is spanking there, but you have damage? Plant as you can, even on the belly.
  19. beifall
    beifall April 19 2014 16: 44
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    Unexpectedly, the planned signing of the protocol on the supply of Russian Yak-130 training aircraft for the needs of this country's air force ended in Kazakhstan. More precisely, it did not end with anything, as it simply did not take place. The Kazakhstan side, one hour before the appointed event, announced its rejection of the planned transaction. This was a complete surprise for the Russian side.

    It was not only a formal protocol on cooperation and intentions to purchase UTB that was prepared. All the necessary technical and legal documents were prepared, including a specific quotation. However, they were not needed.

    The representative of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan explained this behavior by the fact that the proposal of the Russian side, and then the execution of contract documents were completed in a fairly short time. The representatives of Kazakhstan simply could not thoroughly study and make an informed decision.

    Secondly, Kazakhstan only a year and a half ago carried out a series of works on the deep modernization of the entire fleet of the UTS on the basis of the L-39. It would be irrational now to begin their decommissioning, not allowing to fully exhaust the resource. And while there is no experience in operating the Yak-130 in the Russian Air Force. In any case, Kazakhstan does not completely deny the possibility of purchasing the Yak-130, but it will wait.

    In time refused! Ё Ё Ё Ё Ё Ё Ё Ё Ё Ё-м м м-------------------м м----м м м м м м м м м м м м м ouch
  20. Sergei75
    Sergei75 April 19 2014 21: 32
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    Failure of one engine could lead to disaster, well, of course, if it did not fly apart?
  21. K-36
    K-36 April 22 2014 12: 52
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    Quote: kirpich
    In fact, all of this is strange. An aircraft equipped with ejected seats K-36, going down the glide path falls and destroys the pilots.
    Armchair k-36dm rescued pilot A. Kvochur in 1989 in Le Bourget (height 80 meters, angle of inclination 90 degrees). In 2002, pilots V. Toponar and Y. Yegorov ejected after the plane hit the ground (both pilots were alive).
    This is to say that we can’t talk about birds or grazing trees (Akhtubinsk steppes) here.

    On the Yak-130 is a slightly different chair (namely, K-36D-3,5). You can find it here (http://forum.worldofwarplanes.ru/index.php?/topic/6730-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%
    D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81-%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%
    D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D
    0% B5-% D0% BA% D1% 80% D0% B5% D1% 81% D0% BB% D0% B0 /). Here is a video from this site http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GuFm-Z2XIGA
    Best regards hi
  22. K-36
    K-36 April 22 2014 13: 13
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    Quote: vaf
    Quote: kirpich
    .Airplane equipped with ejection seats K-36, leaving the glide path falls and destroys pilots.


    Nothing strange, because circumstances can be any.
    the plane did not enter the glide path. and at least was in the area of ​​the 3rd turn (D-25 km) or the 2nd double turn. in IA, IBA and FBA they fly not in a "box", but in 2 turns of 180 degrees. soldier
    And the entrance to the glide path is at an altitude of 500 meters in a circle, the Range is 10 km. And if 400 meters, then -8 km.
    Kvochur was very lucky. he was already jumping on a descent plane from a vertical of about 15 meters per second, and if it hadn’t for the explosion. which filled the canopy of Anatoly’s parachute ... he wouldn’t be with us.
    Toponar and Egorov jumped from a plane that was descending at a very low vertical speed and jumped upwards ... and therefore remained alive.
    What was at Seryogin ... is not yet known .. there will be a conclusion of the commission we will draw conclusions.
    One thing can be assumed. that they started jumping late .. so this is the result! soldier

    Sergey, with all my sincere respect ( drinks ), all dare I (delicately love ) oppose a little according to the bold type I have highlighted. I easily saw an overt hint that there was clearly not enough height to safely eject both of them. It may be so, but there is one caveat. The fact is that when the pilots are in the cockpit with the model "in the back of each other's head", the seat always (!!!) throws out the rear pilot first, and only then - the front pilot. So there is a great need for information about who was on which seats. And just this infa will be either the "key to the world" of your version, or it will be a "barn lock" for it. Something like this. Best regards, Always! hi
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 22 2014 13: 49
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      Plus to you! Catapult rear-front!
  23. K-36
    K-36 April 22 2014 14: 00
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    Quote: vaf
    Quote: rubin6286
    It seems to me that the reason is not only and not so much in engine failure, but in the failure of the control system and the subsequent change in the position of the aircraft relative to the earth's surface, which affected the results of the bailout, if we take into account that the K-36 chair is quite reliable and well-developed design.



    And on the chair ... I had a failure at 1500 meters on a dive (37 degrees according to the SOC analysis later) .. up to 1000 meters I tried to fix something, but ... there was a complete failure of all systems, plus a fire ... at 800 meters I make a decision on ... "transfer to a parachute and go the remaining distance to the house .. on foot"
    According to the analysis, I "came out" at an altitude of 230 meters ..... (vertical was about 75 "meters per second") still a little bit and ... a mouth full of earth soldier
    Yes .. Su-17M3 plane good

    By the way, the Su-17M3 is the first Soviet aircraft with Severin’s armchair. Then the rest of the companies pulled themselves together. And it was Su-17M3 (m4) and then Su-24 that, with their salvage statistics, broke the backbone of the locale approach of all Soviet design bureaus, when each of them considered themselves a peacock, and therefore contained its own department for the development of rescue equipment (armchairs, that is) .
    So about the Su-17. At the end of the distant (USSR-skik) 80s, my regiment commander, Zhilin Yu.V. generally ejected from a plane that exploded in the air. The fuses for the bombs turned out to be at the limit of their shelf life, and the armed men decided to quietly "use" them for ease of decommissioning. Zhilin dropped the fotAB (H = 2 km), and when he left the pylon, he immediately exploded. The plane is divided into two parts: the cockpit with the pilot separately (behind the pilot there is a void), and the rest, starting from the gargrot to the very tip of the keel, is also separate. The pilot, therefore, is without electricity, which should be the first to fire in the seat during ejection. Two front somersaults in a short period of time turned on the pilot's brain for a balanced analysis of what was happening. Namely: Zhilin realized that an intact plane simply could not perform such pirouettes. Well, no way (!!!). And then he pulled the ejection handle ... On the ground they hugged tightly and sincerely. After all, I served in his regiment early. PDS (to whom the official duties are just the same imputed to carry out all the necessary simulations for the forced abandonment with all the flight personnel of the unit).
    Yes, here I have one very curious-impressive picture in my personal archive. Just can’t place it. And so he would have got a bunch of thuja comments. Can anyone write a memo here, with what finger motions can you post photos and videos from your personal archive in your posts. I would really appreciate it!
    Sincerely. Is always!
  24. Timburton
    Timburton April 22 2014 17: 21
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    On the Yak-130 in the first place is the failure of the KSU. Next are the malfunctions of the GIZ of aviation equipment. In Borisoglebsk, less than half of the aircraft suitable for flight, by the way, are under warranty. In Algeria, the situation is better due to the richer tech kit. In the Su-27, Su-30, the percentage of serviceable machines was 80-90% of the system, which indicates a greater reliability of these machines.
  25. Palych9999
    Palych9999 April 22 2014 23: 14
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    From the latest news, both joyful
    1. A contract was signed for the supply of 16 units of the Mig-29SMT, until the end of 2016
    2. This year, finally, a decision was made to sign a contract for as many as 100 Mig-35, which few had hoped for. The period of delivery until 2018.
    It can be seen from the T-50 that it has become overwhelmed and Poghosyan does not pull, or some foreign components are required there, which to us right now, who will give ...
    And thank God, the capabilities of these two Migs are more than 4+, and weapons are 2 times more effective than the drill of the 29th ...
    This is harasho ...
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 23 2014 12: 34
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      The decision to sign does not mean to sign. 100 Mig-35 figure from the air.
  26. waggish
    waggish 19 July 2014 17: 25
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    The first and NOT THE LAST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  27. Beiderlei
    Beiderlei 7 January 2015 17: 09
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    The first and not the last !!!!!!