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US will study the supply of Russian rocket engines

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A few weeks ago, there were reports in the press about further cooperation between Russia and the United States in the field of rocket engines. It was reported that American experts are considering various options for the development of such cooperation. The possibility of buying a license for the production of RD-180 engines was seriously considered. Now, the US leadership may reconsider its attitude towards the existing agreement and even refuse to buy Russian rocket engines.


US will study the supply of Russian rocket engines


At the recent congressional hearings with the participation of Secretary of Defense Ch. Hagel, various aspects of Russian-American cooperation were considered. To the congressmen’s question about the development of their own production of rocket engines, the Pentagon’s chief responded that this topic requires further careful study. The results of the analysis of the existing agreements are still not completely clear, but one cannot rule out such a development of events in which the deliveries of rocket engines will be terminated on American initiative.

A few days earlier, a statement on the topic of Russian rocket engines was made by US Deputy Secretary of the Air Force E. Fanning. According to the official, the United States has a certain supply of RD-180 engines. With the implementation of existing plans for launches of missiles equipped with these engines, the stock will be enough for this and the next years. In addition, much of the launch vehicles that are to fly in the 2016 year will not remain without engines. At the same time, Fanning noted that the Air Force is following the relations between the two countries and intend to protect the supply of rocket engines.

The Russian RD-180 rocket engines are used on American Atlas V launch vehicles. The United States regularly launches such missiles in order to launch various spacecraft into orbit. To date, Atnas V missiles have already been launched, only one of which ended with the launch of spacecraft to an insufficiently high orbit. The latest launch of the similar rocket was 43 of January of this year.

It should be noted that some payload of Atlas V launch vehicles has long been causing claims by the Russian side. Using these rockets, equipped with Russian-made engines, the United States has repeatedly put into orbit not only commercial, but also military spacecraft. Because of this, Russia has repeatedly warned American partners about a possible break of the existing contract. The last such threats were voiced last summer.

The United States has reason to fear such a development. Atlas V carrier rockets are an important element of the American space program, which is why the termination of their operation due to the absence of engines can seriously hit the entire industry. According to the existing agreement signed in the mid-nineties, Russia will supply RD-180 engines to the 2018 year. In the future, it is possible to sign a new similar agreement.

In connection with the claims of Russia, American experts are forced to look for ways to solve the problem of imported engines. So, in mid-February, it became known that the United States is exploring the possibility of organizing the licensed production of Russian engines in their factories. The main advantage of buying a license was the ability to produce any required number of rocket engines, regardless of the relations between the two countries. At the same time, however, the deployment of licensed production has several drawbacks at once. First of all, it is the difficulty of mastering new technologies used by the Russian industry. Because of this, American-made RD-180 engines can be about one and a half times more expensive than Russian ones.

Buying a license seems to be a sufficiently profitable solution for the United States. Nevertheless, Russia has no reason to meet the Americans. The production of RD-180 engines in accordance with the Russian-American agreement is one of the main revenue items of NPO Energomash. Cessation of the manufacture of these engines will seriously affect the enterprise. Thus, the probability of selling a license is extremely low.

Ch. Hagel at a hearing in the US Congress noted that the issue of the supply of Russian rocket engines requires further consideration and careful analysis. So far it is impossible to speak with certainty about the final decision of American officials, but there is every reason to doubt that they will dare to abandon further purchases of Russian engines. The available supply of the engines supplied is sufficient for use over the next few years, but later on the United States risks being left without an Atlas V launch vehicle. For a long time, the United States has been trying to create its own engine with characteristics at the level of the Russian RD-180, however all these attempts so far not successful. The use of available engines on the Atlas V rocket, in turn, will lead to a noticeable decrease in its performance.

As we see, the situation around Russian rocket engines is very complex and does not allow solving all the issues quickly and with minimal forces. Any serious actions by the parties can make life difficult or even harm them, and the US leadership is well aware of this. Therefore, it is not surprising if the study of the “motor issue” announced by Charles Hagel ends with the fact that US officials decide to continue cooperation with Russia in full compliance with the existing contract.


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  1. Ivan79
    Ivan79 17 March 2014 08: 54
    +15
    If you impose sanctions on Russia, you can tell our engines - "bye bye" ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 17 March 2014 09: 05
      +20
      The possibility of buying a license for the production of RD-180 engines was seriously considered.
      But the possibility of selling in my opinion was not considered. laughing They think that grandmas can buy everything. Sanctions are so sanctions, they will launch slingshot satellites. For example, this:
    2. 31231
      31231 17 March 2014 09: 38
      +18
      The economic lobby will blow both Obama and the Hagels. USA is a business. And they don’t give a damn about Ukraine.
      But if that, then personally I am ready.
      1. Konstantm
        Konstantm 17 March 2014 14: 41
        +3
        Quote: 31231
        The economic lobby will force both Obama and the Hagels

        Quote: 31231
        But if anything, then personally I am ready

        Nigga ?! Pah, pah-antichrist.
    3. aleks700
      aleks700 17 March 2014 10: 26
      +3
      And they will not do it legally. And do not care about the license.
      1. ansons
        ansons 17 March 2014 12: 03
        +7
        License implies the transfer of production technologies. Which amers now do not, because they are not pushing, and they cannot create their own engine of this class (at least with the same characteristics). This is from the same opera as China is trying to clone our aircraft engine.
        1. Locksmith
          Locksmith 17 March 2014 16: 23
          +2
          Quote: ansons
          License implies the transfer of production technologies.

          So the point is, well, the Americans bought a license and documentation for the NK15 33 years ago, and now they want ... that ours will restore production
          wink
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      3. tolyasik0577
        tolyasik0577 17 March 2014 16: 44
        +1
        this is not china. it’s not so easy to take and expand the production of rocket engines.
      4. Berkut-UA
        Berkut-UA 21 March 2014 23: 47
        +1
        You do not understand that production in the states is not capable of this.

        What are they doing in the USA today?
        Development of new technologies, software and other computer software.
        Separate types of weapons - that’s all.

        Now the troops have the form sewn in China, shoes from Thailand, plastic on their knees and hands from South Korea
        I'm not sure that the states will be able to arrange the production of rocket engines ... this is no longer a country in the 1960s - 1980s
    4. W1950
      W1950 17 March 2014 11: 20
      +4
      If sanctions are imposed, let the rockets be fired on a sodium silitra-based smoke powder.
    5. AVV
      AVV 17 March 2014 11: 29
      +1
      Quote: Ivan79
      If you impose sanctions on Russia, you can tell our engines - "bye bye" ...

      Such retaliatory measures against America will hit the United States military and space program very well !!! And this is a huge plus for us to keep America for the codec !!!
    6. poccinin
      poccinin 17 March 2014 11: 55
      0
      Already somewhere they wrote that the United States refused to purchase rocket engines in RUSSIA.
      1. Simon
        Simon 17 March 2014 19: 02
        0
        These are their problems, they will remain without space. And we will sell to Iran, they are creating their own missiles. With such engines, their missiles fly to the states before. Here are the Americans and let them bite and clang their teeth, we don’t want sanctions, they force us laughing
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        2. Do not care
          Do not care 17 March 2014 22: 34
          -2
          Quote: Simon
          ... With such engines, their missiles fly to the states before. Here are the Americans and let them bite and clang their teeth, we don’t want sanctions, they force us laughing


          Question: Did you show the globe at school?

          The flight path of a rocket from Iran to the states goes exactly over Moscow:

          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/695/cgrc859.jpg

          Therefore, 2 more questions:
          1. How will the A-135 react to it (Will launch a 51T6 missile with 2 megatons to intercept)?
          2. How will the states determine the side of the attack and where will the response go?
    7. tuts
      tuts 17 March 2014 19: 36
      0
      Please do not confuse. Sanctions are a ban on the import of goods into the territory who imposes sanctions. That is, Americans want to ban the import of Russian goods into their country, but at the same time drive us their
  2. svp67
    svp67 17 March 2014 08: 58
    +5
    I think that ON SUCH engines we will find buyers ... In the same Iran, by the way ... Well, we must show the Americans that their fears of Iranian missiles were not in vain ...
    1. 31231
      31231 17 March 2014 09: 39
      +2
      Ours has already offered Iran the continuation of the construction of a peaceful atom.
  3. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 17 March 2014 09: 15
    +1
    The United States is exploring the possibility of organizing licensed production of Russian engines at its enterprises.

    Well, who will sell them the license, for that matter! this is a power, probably in a year or two they will master production laughing
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 17 March 2014 10: 29
      0
      Who will sell? Yes, he who sells his homeland for Sneakers! And they promise to sell green cards and their own mother.
  4. avt
    avt 17 March 2014 09: 18
    +2
    Mouse fuss similar to helicopters for Afghanistan. They will refuse only when their engine will be out, and for now they will play on the nerves, use the old purchases, and if they do their own, then they will refuse with songs and dances about democracy.
  5. Ascetic
    Ascetic 17 March 2014 09: 19
    +6
    In 1996, a decree was signed by Russian President Yeltsin, according to which Russia should supply the United States with 101 RD-180 engines by 2020. At the moment, 76 engines have been delivered (4 last year). In August 2013 at the Security Council, the question was raised of the cessation of their supplies, but the decision was not taken taking into account all the disadvantages of this decision at that time. It is possible that in connection with the aggravation of relations, this issue may again become on the agenda.
    1. 0255
      0255 17 March 2014 09: 53
      +3
      Quote: Ascetic
      In 1996, a decree was signed by Russian President Yeltsin, according to which Russia should supply the United States with 101 RD-180 engines by 2020.

      but Yeltsin has not been in power for a long time, so [a word that we all wrote in childhood on fences and walls] and not a license !!!
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 17 March 2014 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: Ascetic
      the issue may again be on the agenda.

      My respect, Stanislav.
      Discuss discuss, but no more.
      And mattress toppers will put pressure on the license, it's "like fingers on the roll."
      RD-180 will be a bargaining chip for new machines for the needs of the defense industry or for a couple of technologies in the cretic areas of our competence.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 17 March 2014 11: 20
        -7
        Quote: Papakiko
        RD-180 will be a bargaining chip for new machines for the needs of the defense industry or for a couple of technologies in the cretic areas of our competence.

        Will not be. It will be easier for them to abandon Atlas-5 after the end of RD-180 reserves, because there is Delta-4 and by that time Falcon Heavy will arrive. For them, this is not critical ...
        1. xtur
          xtur 17 March 2014 12: 07
          +3
          > It is not critical for them ...

          yeah, and so for almost 20 years
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 17 March 2014 12: 37
          +2
          Quote: Nayhas
          For them, this is not critical ...

          Comrad.
          Their dviglo almost 10% loses to ours in all respects.
          And the most important thing is liquid hydrogen (LH2)!
          I’m not talking about price, but about the complexity of operation.
          Falcon Heavy LV - intended to be used 28 Merlin engines at all levels !!!!
          Operating time is 170 seconds against 270 at rD-180 !!
          Well, like, they will be reusable, but this will be up to 1 or 2 Avriy and then they will go disposable.
          Quote: Canep
          it is better to buy machines in Europe or in Japan

          To buy them there, you need to approve of the mattress manufacturers of these devices. Do not forget PLEASE about restrictions and sanctions for developers and manufacturers of high-tech sectors. There is a paw of Saxons everywhere.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 17 March 2014 13: 15
            -6
            Quote: Papakiko
            Their dviglo almost 10% loses to ours in all respects.
            And most importantly, it is liquid hydrogen (LH2)!
            I’m not talking about price, but about the complexity of operation.

            I mean, the question of the RD-180 is not of such importance that for their sake they will need to give up on the political issue. Well, Atlases will freeze, they will launch Deltas ...
            Quote: Papakiko
            LV Falcon Heavy - the use of 28 Merlin engines at all stages is expected !!!!

            You correctly indicated reusability. Perhaps at the initial stage there will be accidents, but this will not become an obstacle to the implementation of such a promising direction. I believe that Mask will succeed.
            PS: Regarding Elon Musk and his offspring SpaceX, I wholeheartedly support his success. I am very sorry that our billionaires who created their fortune by selling what they do not own and never belong to are absolutely incapable of a hundredth of what Elon Musk could do ...
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 17 March 2014 14: 49
              +3
              Quote: Nayhas
              absolutely not capable of a hundredth of what Elon Musk could do

              Comrad, you less admire the likes of Ilon, Jobs, Zuckenberg and so on.
              Mayakovsky has long said about the stars and this should be decisive in the distribution of ratings.
              In modern times, unfortunately, there are no TITANS of thoughts and creations.
              At the heart of "quietly c3 / 14 and went-called found".
              Elon is a typical representative of the management caste (Brand) with a solid appetite for "lava" and behind him are funds and the Fed's printing press.
              Quote: Nayhas
              his brainchild SpaceX

              A simple example for debunking: SpaceX at NASA is like Blackwater or G4S under the US government.
              Well, of course, the "western" country-countries of democracy, and Russia, etc., are Orcs or savages.
              I hope Eugene is not a "happy" owner of "iPad".
              With all due respect.
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas 17 March 2014 20: 55
                0
                Quote: Papakiko
                Comrad, you less admire the likes of Ilon, Jobs, Zuckenberg

                Offer Abramovich, Vekselberg and the rest of the HOP company instead? You can vilify Musk as much as you like, but he is engaged in creativity, even if he sees this as a source of income, but it's better this way than nothing. I can say the same about Paul Allen and about Bill Gates. In the end, there is Bert Rutan, or, in your opinion, does he also not fit under "TITANOA of thought and creation"?
                Quote: Papakiko
                I hope Eugene is not a "happy" owner of "iPad".

                Guessed, I’m not, there is no tablet. But what does the brand matter? Suppose a Lenovo tablet would be and what would it tell you?
                PS: regarding the creations of Jobs. I really liked the MacAir laptop, just super, but bastard terribly expensive ...
        3. Simon
          Simon 17 March 2014 19: 04
          0
          But very expensive! hi
      2. Canep
        Canep 17 March 2014 11: 50
        +2
        Quote: Papakiko
        to new machines for the needs of the defense industry

        I think it is better to buy machines in Europe or in Japan, American ones are not the best. Yes, and everything in them is in inches. In Ekibas, we bought several Caterpillars (90t dump trucks) so regretted it under warranty, but they carried parts from overseas by air, and then railroad began. I had to buy inch taps and dies to make bolts ourselves.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 17 March 2014 12: 25
          +2
          Quote: Canep
          Europe or Japan

          The Germans and Japanese will not sell without the permission of the owner, so negotiate with the Americans anyway. Remember how our "Opel" wanted to buy.
          1. tolancop
            tolancop 17 March 2014 23: 39
            0
            Depends on the price that buyers are willing to pay. And they’ll sell their mother. In the 80s, Japan sold the USSR processing centers, which were on the COCOM list. Americans howled just creepy !!! So what? And nothing...
  6. Mercenary
    Mercenary 17 March 2014 09: 20
    +4
    Something to create brains is not enough just to bark and can do dirty tricks. Here are the fruits of the Western education system.
    1. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 17 March 2014 19: 59
      0
      And what is wrong with their system ??? children of the elite, study for the smart elite, children of the hard workers, study for the stupid hard workers ... children of the blacks, study for the blacks ... hereditary succession ... ours, after the reform, is the same: (...
  7. 0255
    0255 17 March 2014 09: 20
    +1
    Well, let them turn on their money printing press and spend money on R&D on rocket engines.
    The first rockets were made to them by Werner von Braun, now they are buying Russian engines ... It's time to do something by ourselves, the freebie ends laughing
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 17 March 2014 11: 21
      -6
      Quote: 0255
      Well, let them turn on their money printing press and spend money on R&D on rocket engines.
      The first rockets were made to them by Werner von Braun, now they are buying Russian engines ... It's time to do something by ourselves, the freebie ends laughing

      In your opinion, before RD-180 they did not fly into space?
      1. 0255
        0255 17 March 2014 12: 02
        +3
        Quote: Nayhas
        In your opinion, before RD-180 they did not fly into space?

        read my comment carefully! I did not say that before RD-180 they did not fly into space.
        Since they want to buy a license for the RD-180, it means that with their engine building for missiles, things are so bad with them. So let them think for themselves how to fly into space without Russian help wassat
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 17 March 2014 13: 19
          0
          Quote: 0255
          read my comment carefully!

          Read:
          It’s time to do something ourselves, the freebie ends

          The phrase “It’s time to do something by ourselves” means that before that they themselves did not do anything, but used someone else's.
          1. viktorR
            viktorR 17 March 2014 13: 34
            +3
            The phrase “It’s time to do something by ourselves” means that before that they themselves did not do anything, but used someone else's.
            Well, judging by the fact that they do not have such engines, that means they didn’t. And used the RD-180
          2. 0255
            0255 17 March 2014 14: 00
            +2
            Quote: Nayhas
            Quote: 0255
            read my comment carefully!

            Read:
            It’s time to do something ourselves, the freebie ends

            The phrase “It’s time to do something by ourselves” means that before that they themselves did not do anything, but used someone else's.

            What are you picking on? ))) In any case, they created launch vehicles not without the help of others.
      2. Simon
        Simon 17 March 2014 19: 07
        +1
        Of course they flew, but their engines were much worse and more expensive. hi
  8. ZU-23
    ZU-23 17 March 2014 09: 24
    +2
    They need to worry so much, but we were the first to fly into space without them.
  9. Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 17 March 2014 09: 30
    +3
    they won’t sell a license, for sure! and developing your own engine is not a few days work! it's years of work, then testing, then ..., in short, it's easier to buy from us for now)))
    1. xtur
      xtur 17 March 2014 12: 16
      +3
      > and developing your own engine is not a work of several days! these are years of work, then tests, then

      so a country that flew to the moon in less than 10 years, for almost 20 years, can not develop an analogue of the RD-180. Otherwise, we must assume that they have all the FSB spies there - they can develop the engine, but from the principle they work for the benefit of the Russian Federation.
      If you take from the start of the lunar race, the USSR developed the RD-170 in about 20 years. If the start of development is considered 1974, as indicated in the wiki, then in general for 7 years.

      It’s time for amers to develop their own similar engine
      1. ver_
        ver_ 17 March 2014 13: 04
        +7
        They were not on the moon ... And the engine Werner von Braun could not do for flights to the moon ... All this was a movie ...- the landing of the moon ... everything was filmed on Earth and were caught as a sharpie ... - for the silence of the USSR about this ....
  10. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 17 March 2014 09: 33
    +3

    It should be noted that some payload of Atlas V launch vehicles has long been a source of Russian claims. Using these missiles equipped with Russian-made engines, the United States has repeatedly put into orbit not only commercial, but also military spacecraft.

    The United States has reason to fear such a development. Atlas V launch vehicles are an important element of the US space program, which is why shutting down due to lack of engines can seriously impact the entire industry.

    In connection with the claims of Russia, American experts are forced to look for ways to solve the problem of imported engines. So, in mid-February, it became known that the United States was exploring the possibility of organizing licensed production of Russian engines at its enterprises.


    Well, actually - the Indians found:
    Do not want to sell engines - sell the license for the manufacture! And we can give you BEADS.

    As they used to say: HU-HU is not HO-HO ?!
    And let China buy an engine license from the Lunar Program rocket!
  11. erased
    erased 17 March 2014 09: 39
    +3
    Who approves the sale of a license to the Yankees engines is that traitor! And if the Yankees start riveting without a license - an international court. And no other way.
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 17 March 2014 10: 25
      +3
      it doesn’t work with them without a license, it’s not great to copy (we still write in small prints on the drawings - modify it with a file)
  12. ken
    ken 17 March 2014 09: 39
    +3
    Yes, the Americans will not give up on this engine, because they will go crazy if Russia remains the only supplier of satellites in orbit. How they were sold to them and should be done, is only many times more expensive than now.
  13. saag
    saag 17 March 2014 09: 52
    +2
    That would have resumed production of engines NK-33 in Samara
  14. Isum
    Isum 17 March 2014 09: 55
    +5
    And how did they fly to the moon then .......
    1. 0255
      0255 17 March 2014 10: 07
      +1
      Quote: IZUM
      And how did they fly to the moon then .......

      maybe also on soviet engines? Then we used the data of lunar rovers ...
  15. Garysit
    Garysit 17 March 2014 10: 00
    -1
    First, we sell them 600 tons of weapons-grade uranium for a pittance, then the best and most reliable Kuznetsov rocket engines, and then we wonder where the nuclear arsenals and bases around us come from. Only a "stupid d..k" or a traitor can do this !!!!
    1. xtur
      xtur 17 March 2014 12: 24
      +4
      > First, we sell them 600 tons of weapons-grade uranium for a song

      http://www.odnako.org/blogs/chem-amerikanci-budut-topit-svoi-aes-esli-mi-vvedyom
      -sankcii /

      during the sale of this uranium for "next to nothing", the American production of enriched uranium almost disappeared, unable to withstand price competition.
      Even if it was a mistake, which is very doubtful, it led to obtaining strategic benefits for Russia.

      Nuclear fuel supplied to the United States cannot be identified by type of origin — from weapon fuel, or is it just newly produced fuel.
    2. ver_
      ver_ 17 March 2014 13: 20
      +6
      Look on the Internet how much we won from the sale ... And a little remark - we already have a hell of a generation of centrifuges, they have x ... and a couple of eggs ..., and weapons-grade plutonium must be periodically processed. half-life is constantly going on ... and their industry was practically covered by a copper basin ... and besides this they also had to buy a lot of ore for us (from which we obtained pure weapons-grade plutonium) to dilute weapons-grade plutonium - safety precautions - who told you that our guys slurp soup cabbage? ...
  16. mountain
    mountain 17 March 2014 10: 00
    +3
    If your mind is not enough, create your own engine, roll up green candy wrappers in the form of airplanes and imagine that they deliver your satellites into orbit. So it will be easier to transfer stress and inferiority. And get ready for hard times awaiting you.
  17. ed65b
    ed65b 17 March 2014 10: 07
    +5
    The United States will not be able to produce them either under license or without it. They have no brains for the reproduction of USSR technologies. they will have to build an entire industrial industry for which there is neither money nor (wrote above)
  18. Temer
    Temer 17 March 2014 10: 28
    +2
    If sanctions are introduced, fuck them, not space. Let their firecrackers reanimate, but try to launch the Spiral, which we have.
  19. parusnik
    parusnik 17 March 2014 10: 32
    +2
    We are waiting for sanctions .. Fly to health .. wink
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  21. igor-pchelkin
    igor-pchelkin 17 March 2014 11: 05
    +3
    “If you stomp along the road, you’ll trample your feet to your knees!” Well, at least on a stick on horseback?
    - Nothing, go on foot!
  22. Nayhas
    Nayhas 17 March 2014 11: 07
    -8
    How much joy is that. Gentlemen, patriots, do you really think that the RD-180 is the pressure that solves all the problems with the United States? Your childish naivete never ceases to amaze ...
    PS: The Americans bought from us 37 NK-33 rocket engines on which the USSR wanted to fly to the moon. They remake them in AJ-26 and put them on Antares launch vehicle. Do you believe that after the AJ-26 runs out (NK-33 is not produced) Orbital Sciences Corporation will go bankrupt?
    1. 0255
      0255 17 March 2014 12: 09
      +3
      but not from a good life, they are concerned about the termination of deliveries of RD-180
    2. xtur
      xtur 17 March 2014 12: 31
      +6
      > Do you think that after AJ-26 runs out (HK-33 is not produced) Orbital Sciences Corporation will go bankrupt?

      Do you think that if the United States uses another Soviet engine, this indicates the good condition of their rocket and propulsion industry?

      not to mention the fact that the NK-33 is several times weaker than the RD-180 in thrust, according to the wiki, and also not be made in the United States, but only some engine wiring changes?
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 17 March 2014 12: 57
        -7
        Quote: xtur
        Do you think that if the United States uses another Soviet engine, this indicates the good condition of their rocket and propulsion industry?

        This indicates their practical approach. If it’s cheaper to buy on the side, then why not. If ours is refused to them in licensed production, then they will get into the pocket of the taxpayer and do the same. No one in a kneeling pose will beg the RD-180 ...
        1. xtur
          xtur 17 March 2014 13: 43
          +3
          > This speaks to their down-to-earth approach. If it's cheaper to buy on the side, then why not. If ours are denied licensed production for them, they will get into the taxpayer's pocket and do the same.

          So above I have already discussed the question of the possibility of creating an engine like the RD-180 - for almost 20 years that the engine was purchased, the United States could have created an analog for a long time, if it could.
          But they had to try to create it - the relations between the Russian Federation and the USA will not always be such that it would be possible to purchase such engines.
  23. JonnyT
    JonnyT 17 March 2014 12: 13
    +2
    let them study ..... now you need to significantly raise the price .... I wonder how there is pricing spelled out in the contract?

    Of course, it is naive to believe that without our engines the Americans will be left without space. But the cessation of deliveries of engines to the USA will give an impetus to the development of our space industry! in space, now it’s not so easy to cut money!
    It remains to assemble their space station in orbit, including using modules that are on the ISS!
    They want sanctions, "the entire world community" condemns us - let them get theirs and answer for their false provocative actions!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 17 March 2014 12: 26
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      But the cessation of deliveries of engines to the USA will give an impetus to the development of our space industry!

      The cessation of engine deliveries will give impetus to the development of rocket propulsion in the United States.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 17 March 2014 16: 43
        0
        Well, yes ...... who argues ..... and let's see if the brains of US engineers and designers are still numb
  24. AlexA
    AlexA 17 March 2014 12: 18
    +3
    Quote: ed65b
    The United States will not be able to produce them either under license or without it. They have no brains for the reproduction of USSR technologies. they will have to build an entire industry

    I would not underestimate the Americans. They did create an F-1 with a thrust of 600 tons in one chamber, which we in Russia could not do.
    But I completely agree with "building an entire industry". In America, rocket propulsion developed according to a slightly different strategy. They relied on the development of high-tech engines with relatively low compressor pressure. In what they succeeded. And in the USSR they developed LPRE schemes with afterburning of generator gas (closed circuit) with high pressure in the compressor station. And the RD-180, like the NK-33, is from this series. Even in the photo you can see: spherical gas generators with gas ducts in the compressor station. In these engines, the pressure in the compressor station is under 200 atmospheres (in the GG - under 400).
    This leads to very high heat fluxes, hence the features of materials and technology for the production of heat-stressed chamber structures at high pressure. It is for such technologies that they will have to "build a new industry." It is not so easy. They are smart enough, but it will take a lot of time and money. And the required number of engines is below the break-even point of such an industry.
    So Americans will not be able to reproduce such engines (at least under a license, at least without) soon.
    1. xtur
      xtur 17 March 2014 13: 48
      +5
      > I would not underestimate the Americans. They did create an F-1 with a thrust of 600 tons in one chamber,

      and I would not overestimate - according to Wikipedia, "RD-170 is 2,1-5,65% more powerful than the single-chamber F-1 engine installed on the first stage of the Saturn-5 launch vehicle, with dimensions that are 1,5 times smaller. "

      that is, a four-chamber engine is incomparably more perfect than a single-chamber engine, once at about the same power it is 1,5 times more compact.
      If we have people with specialized education, let me correct, but such a difference in size looks like a difference in generation, if not two.
  25. Admiral 013
    Admiral 013 17 March 2014 14: 23
    +1
    Oh yes for God's sake! Look at Chinese firecrackers even fly if you yourself do not know how! I think we will survive it.
  26. k19
    k19 17 March 2014 14: 24
    +2
    We can, of course, stop selling our engines over the hill. Only now it will be yours and ours. If you stop selling, then where can you get money for the existence and development of our industry? And the arguments that we will sell to others also do not work - who will "master" them? Who will have the technology to realize this dvigun?
  27. Prutkov
    Prutkov 17 March 2014 16: 00
    +2
    I think that the time has come to carefully look at the GPS correction stations located in Russia. Moreover, GLONASS stations refused to place mattresses on their territory.
  28. Aleksandr89
    Aleksandr89 17 March 2014 17: 15
    +2
    Well, at least some positive news, everyone screams that Russia will buy everything abroad and sit on an oil needle. HERE HAYAIAI THE MOST MOST AMERICANS CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT RUSSIAN ENGINES, AS SO MAY BE, A MUCH MUCH MONTLE IS DISAPPEARED UNDERSTANDING. MAYBE ENOUGH TO DESTRATE RUSSIA, YES EVERYTHING IS NOT PERFECT, BUT NOT SO ALSO BAD AS THAT ALL BLESSED FRIENDS WOULD LIKE,
  29. Bayonet
    Bayonet 17 March 2014 17: 53
    +2
    There are interesting facts - "NPO Energomash" OJSC sold Russian RD-180 rocket engines for American Atlas-5 launch vehicles for half the cost of their production, according to the materials of the RF Accounts Chamber "American medium-class launch vehicle" Antares ”, designed to deliver cargo to the International Space Station, uses Russian engines NK-33 / AJ26 ... It’s strange as it is against the background of the imposition of the US enomic sanctions against Russia. They shish us, and we give them rocket engines, and even for half the price?
  30. ALEKS419
    ALEKS419 17 March 2014 18: 08
    +1
    Quote: aleks700
    And they will not do it legally. And do not care about the license.
    The most important thing is not to show. Double standards are the norm for them.
  31. uzer 13
    uzer 13 17 March 2014 18: 55
    0
    Americans pragmatists and business interests always have a higher priority than politics. As long as they have a supply of engines, they can play political games, but after a year and a half they will forget about these sanctions, and engines will be needed again. Engines are better to sell than to be left without an order and to ruin a modern high-tech enterprise.
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  33. waisson
    waisson 17 March 2014 21: 56
    +3
    FUCK THEM AND NOT ENGINES
  34. Antokha
    Antokha 17 March 2014 22: 59
    0
    I propose an equivalent exchange of the RD-180 for the topology of processors in 10nm, or 14nm if 10nm has not yet been developed. It's high time to cover it up! As one of my acquaintances says, "ENOUGH, HAPPENED !!!"
  35. Gagarin
    Gagarin 17 March 2014 23: 46
    +1
    Enough in the dispute to break the spears comrades.
    I think, unlike the Russian leadership, we have much less information about the situation.
    In the Kremlin, the guys are not stupid, everyone will weigh, count, (remember the threats and insults) and act
    THE BEST WAY.
    but I want to add from myself - I WOULD NOT GIVE ANYTHING!
    1. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 18 March 2014 00: 08
      0
      Well, that’s not stupid ... most importantly, that is NOT SALE !!!
  36. mihai_md2003
    mihai_md2003 18 March 2014 04: 46
    0
    There will be no sanctions in this area. If the United States buys something, it’s not out of love for Russia, but out of its own interest. And if they decide for some reason to stop buying these engines, and call it sanctions, it doesn’t change the point. And so in everything.
  37. Sergei75
    Sergei75 18 March 2014 23: 19
    0
    RD180 based on RD170, which was installed on the Energia launch vehicle (it threw 105 tons into orbit), while there was also Vulcan (200 tons), now ours are developing a heavy launch vehicle again, so the well-forgotten "old" one can use cheaper.
    Of course, the "Vostochny" efficiency will be thinner.
  38. raf
    raf 19 March 2014 17: 22
    0
    Quote: Russkiy53
    ..children of blacks-study for blacks
    Specialization damn it! laughing
  39. HMR333
    HMR333 20 March 2014 12: 01
    0
    Yes, sell more to the Chinese and the states just do stop let trillions spend on the development of their .....
  40. Burmistr
    Burmistr 21 March 2014 15: 00
    0
    Such engines can not even be shown to anyone, not to mention selling
  41. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 April 28 2014 22: 57
    0
    It's never too late to change your mind ... and impose sanctions against the US ... for example by banning the sale of rocket engines.
  42. pannet
    pannet 13 May 2014 18: 20
    0
    Stopping the sale of engines will hit our economy. Already banned and then restored.

    The decision to resume export is absolutely right. It’s right that they did not begin to build policies around the supply of rocket engines. We wouldn’t prove anything to anyone by cutting supplies. The Americans would still have found a way to launch their missiles without our engines, but our enterprises would have lost orders.

    Andrei Ionin, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics



    http://www.minprom.samregion.ru/newsmonth/18.02.2014/12445/