Military Review

Turkish Armed Forces - second after Russia

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At the moment, Turkey does not actively intervene in the situation that is unfolding around the Crimea. The Turkish Foreign Ministry consistently declares support for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine. The decision to hold in Crimea a referendum on the status of autonomy, which is scheduled for March 16, the Turkish Foreign Ministry called the "wrong and dangerous step." At the same time, demonstrations and rallies are held in Turkey in support of the people close to the Turks - the Crimean Tatars. Similar actions are taking place today in Russia in support of the Russian population of the peninsula.


Currently, representatives of more than 80 nationalities live on the territory of Crimea. The largest communities are Russian, Ukrainian and Crimean-Tatar. Today, about 300 thousands of Crimean Tatars live in Crimea (approximately 15% of the population of the peninsula). The Crimean Tatar ethnos was formed at the turn of the XIV-XV centuries. The name "Crimea" itself is of Turkic origin and means "fortification", "ditch". The Crimean Khanate that emerged on the peninsula almost from the moment of its appearance fell into dependence on the Ottoman Empire. Overwhelmingly, the Crimean Tatars are Sunni Muslims who are under strong Turkish influence, both cultural and political.

Taking into account the interests of Turkey in the Black Sea region, it is useful to consider the possibilities of its armed forces. At the moment, Turkey is a member of NATO, its army is much stronger than the army of Ukraine and is one of the strongest in the Black Sea. Currently, the Turkish army in terms of numbers is inferior in Europe only to the Russian army, its military budget is growing annually, and the Turkish fleet is already the strongest in the Black Sea.

Turkish Armed Forces - second after Russia

The total number of Turkish armed forces is over 700 thousand people, the sixth place in the world in terms of numbers. Only the USA has a larger army in the NATO bloc. The Turkish army is not a contract, it is formed on a conscription basis. From 1 January 2014, the period of compulsory conscription has been reduced to 12 months. Men aged between 20 and 38 are recruited for military service. After dismissal from the ranks of the armed forces, they continue to be liable for military service and are in reserve until the 45 age is reached. In wartime, men between the ages of 16 and 60 may be called up for military service, and also women between the ages of 20 and 46 may be able to wear weapon. At the same time, the population of Turkey exceeds 75 million people. The substantial demographic potential of the country, the developed system of training and mobilization capabilities make it possible in the shortest possible time to staff the armed forces with a significant number of military personnel of all combat arms and types. According to experts, the total mobilization potential of Turkey is estimated at approximately 18 million people.

Currently, the main problem of the Turkish army is the lack of a sufficient number of samples of modern and modernized weapons (especially in the ground forces). A significant part of weapons in service was purchased from Israel and the United States, with some of the weapons that Turkey has to import completely. At the same time, Turkey is not interested in the modernization and rearmament of its army through the purchase of equipment abroad. Ankara's priority is the development of its own defense industry. According to existing plans, by 2016, Turkey expects to enter the top ten countries with the most developed national defense industry.

According to Professor Nurkhan Yenturk, representing the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), Turkish military spending is only partially open. Therefore, the information for analysis has to be collected literally bit by bit. According to the specialist, Turkey’s total defense expenditure in 2013 amounted to 17,2 billion dollars. In 2014, this figure will reach 18,9 billion, and in 2015, 20,3 billion. Over the past few years, Turkey’s defense spending has fluctuated within 2-2,5% of the country's GDP. According to the available data for 2012 for 44 states in Europe, the largest percentage of state funding for military needs was recorded in Azerbaijan - 4,6% of GDP, followed by Russia, Armenia, Georgia, the United Kingdom, Ukraine and Greece (a place is divided by 6), France. Turkey with 2,36% GDP shares 7 place with France.


Most of the military budget is spent on wages, social guarantees and pensions for Turkish military personnel - 57,5% of funds. Approximately another 22% is spent on providing the army with everything necessary (from food to ammunition). The remaining 20,5% of the military budget is spent on projects for the modernization of the armed forces. Given the very large size of the armed forces, it is not surprising that 3 / 4 military budget expenditures are related to human resources.

The trend towards the development of our own defense-industrial complex is also demonstrated by the spending dynamics of the state investment fund supporting the defense industry. According to Nurkhan Yenturka, every year the costs of modernizing the army, designing its own prototypes and purchasing new equipment increase by 100 million dollars. For example, in 2013, the fund spent 1,3 billion dollars, in 2014, about 1,4 billion was planned, and in 2015 - 1,6 billion.

At one time, Turkey fought Russia more than 30 times. The last time it happened in the First World War.

Turkey quite actively "courting" the representatives of Muslim, mainly Turkic peoples living in Russia. In the interests of Ankara - increasing its influence in the territory of Central Asia, the Caucasus and the Crimea. According to Natalia Ulchenko, who is in charge of the Turkish sector of the Center for the Study of the Near and Middle East of the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the Crimean Crisis can return the Russian Federation to the list of potential threats to Ankara.


According to the scientist, today Turkey is concerned about the situation that is developing around the Crimean Tatars, as well as questions of the use of the Black Sea straits. At present, Ankara has already stated that the actions taken by Russia violate the partnership system that was built by the Black Sea Economic Cooperation Organization. In addition, rallies are held in Turkey to support the Crimean Tatars. According to the expert, these meetings are due both to the real concern of Turkish public opinion and the desire of the country's authorities to shift the attention of the population from other problems.

Colleague of Natalia Ulchenko, candidate historical Sci. Andrei Boldyrev, considers Turkey a military leader in the Black Sea. According to the expert, in terms of its firepower, the Turkish Navy is 1,5 times superior to the Russian Black Sea fleet. As of 2011, the Turkish Navy numbered 133 warships, as part of the Black Sea fleet Russia - 39. Not in our favor and the ratio of submarines. The Russian Black Sea Fleet has only one active combat submarine - the Alrosa boat of Project 877 Halibut. At the same time, the Turkish Navy has 14 diesel-electric submarines, most of which are concentrated in the Black Sea.

At the same time, the fleet of Turkey is constantly growing in number and is being modernized. All 14 Turkish submarines were built in Germany on the project Typ 209. This is one of the most successful diesel-electric submarines supplied for export, it is in service with 13 countries of the world. Buyers are attracted by the combination of low prices and high performance characteristics of these boats (good equipment, low noise).


Back in Soviet times, the Turkish military fleet consisted mainly of barriers and minesweepers, which were received from the NATO allies, but now it is based on frigates and corvettes armed with guided missile weapons, small rocket ships and diesel-electric submarines. As part of the Turkish fleet 19 frigates and 7 corvettes. The 7 frigates are of the MEKO 200 type, they were designed in Germany by the shipbuilding firm Blohm + Voss, the newest frigate of this type was introduced into the Turkish Navy in the 2000 year. In addition, as part of the Turkish Navy, there are frigates, taken from service with the American fleet. These are the Knox-type 3 frigates (built from 1969 to 1974) and 8 frigates of the Oliver Perry type, these frigates are built in series from the 51 from 1977 to 1989.

Also in service with the Turkish Navy is 6 PLO corvettes, which were transferred to France. These are corvettes of the type “D'Estienne d'Orves”. These ships were built in France from 1976 to 1984 year. Another corvette in service is a MILGEM corvette (Milli Gemi, from a Turkish national ship). Total built 2 corvette of this type, another 6 ships of this type are under construction. It is planned to build a series of such corvettes from 12. This ship is an attempt by Turkey to independently develop a modern warship. At the same time, during its creation, German developments were widely used, and all the armament of the vessel was represented by American designs.

Sufficiently serious force and represent the Turkish Air Force. Currently, the country's Air Force has more than 400 combat aircraft. Of these, the most efficient are the X-NUMX F-208C / D fighters, which are built in Turkey under license. According to military experts, in their professional training, the number of flight hours (including in mountain conditions and at low altitudes), as well as the moral and psychological attitude, the Turkish Air Force pilots are among the best trained in the NATO Air Force. In the region of the Middle and Near East, the Turkish Air Force is qualitatively and quantitatively inferior only to the Israeli Air Force. At the same time, the program for the supply of early warning radar (long-range radar detection) aircraft is a major boost to the country's air force. Turkey ordered Boeing 16 Peace Eagle 4 aircraft, the first aircraft of this type was delivered in January 737, the delivery of the second aircraft is expected in the middle of this year.


Experts estimate the level of combat readiness of the Turkish Armed Forces as quite high. The armed forces of the country have a substantial number, professional and disciplined officer corps, satisfactory technical equipment. According to military experts, the Turkish Armed Forces are able to conduct large-scale long-term hostilities both independently (primarily at the operational and operational-tactical level), and as part of the combined NATO forces. The Turkish army is equally well suited for counterinsurgency within the country and the defense of borders, as well as for large-scale external attack.

Information sources:
http://rusplt.ru/world/vtoraya-posle-rossii-8524.html
http://www.noravank.am/rus/issues/detail.php?ELEMENT_ID=2059
http://www.pravda.ru/world/asia/middleeast/29-01-2012/1105895-turkey-1
http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/03/10/tatar
http://mk-turkey.ru/politics/2013/10/23/s-1yanvarya-2014-goda-sluzhba-v-armii-budet-1-god.html
http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/6419
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  1. Nayhas
    Nayhas 11 March 2014 10: 16
    +6
    The Black Sea basin is still not a place for tank battles, so the confrontation (possible of course) will occur between the fleets. And here we do not have much superiority.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 11 March 2014 10: 25
      +10
      Quote: Nayhas
      The Black Sea basin is still not a place for tank battles, so the confrontation (possible of course) will occur between the fleets. And here we do not have much superiority.


      Well, it depends on how you look at it. It is necessary to take into account not only the ratio of fleets, but also the entire disposition. For example, the fact that if something happens, the Turkish fleet will meet "Bastions" with "Onyx". And not only.
      1. Barrel
        Barrel 11 March 2014 11: 02
        -24%
        Don't write off the strike group led by the USS George W. Bush.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 11 March 2014 11: 10
          +5
          Quote: Barrel
          Don't write off the strike group led by the USS George W. Bush.

          Zhora will not enter the Black Sea, the Turks will not miss. Although the range of aircraft is enough and fly from Antalya.
          1. SlavaUkraini
            SlavaUkraini April 6 2014 20: 34
            0
            Turkey is a member of NATO and an ally of the United States, they recently expressed their complete readiness to miss NATO ships if necessary assistance to Ukraine.
        2. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 11 March 2014 12: 12
          +19
          Damn svidomye ANALitega you lifted up with this aircraft carrier ... Let him already for you with 3 March in the Black Sea and not he alone:
          The Ukrainian Hetman Sagaidachny with the aircraft carrier George HW Bush entered the Black Sea on March 3. The aircraft carrier is accompanied by seventeen other ships and three submarines, which passed through the Aegean Sea on March 3. The carrier is also said to carry 90 aircraft on board, including helicopters of various types, and several F-22 Raptor fighters. Each submarine has twenty-four missile silos for launching nuclear warheads.

          http://censor.net.ua/news/274090 flagman_vms_ukrainy_sagayidachnyyi_vernulsya_v_chernoe_more_vo_glave_avianosnoyi

          _gruppy_vms_ssha

          Of course, I understand: "Halva, halva ..." Only you lost Crimea anyway. bully

          True, it turned out that somewhere along the road "Sagaidachny" accidentally lost an armada of American ships - maybe it accidentally sunk it, having driven it to the shallows?
          And there are some more "problems" that the Turks do not know about, they should be informed about it ...
          1.The Montreux Convention of 1936, prohibiting the passage of aircraft carriers and battleships through the Black Sea straits. Therefore, all Soviet aircraft carrying ships were called cruisers, incl. and "Kuznetsov" so that they can pass through the Straits.
          2. The span of the Bosphorus bridges 64 m, the height of the aircraft carrier of your owners 74 m. 2 options - offer the Turks to multiply the bridges by zero, cut 10 meters of the superstructure with antennas.
          3. Moscow with the Volcanoes and the "Bastions" bombarded by the sea from Novoros, and now from Sevastopol.

          http://bmpd.livejournal.com/770150.html

          So, do not read Bandera newspapers before lunch ...
          Now everyone is frightening with Turkey. And Turkey needs it, ask yourself? Turkey is not accepted into the EU, Turkey has its own Maidan for the second year, in Turkey the Kurds, who now have an official base in Iraq, where they are welcomed with open arms by their fellow tribesmen. Turkey was unable to deal with Syria, while the "Syrian Express" works like a clock, bringing all the necessary "goodies" to Assad's troops. And you say Turkey. Yes, if Turkey suddenly announces any claims to Crimea, then tomorrow some Onishchenko will find some kind of virus in Turkish resorts and ban the entry of tourists there, which the Turkish economy may not be able to withstand. Or does Turkey need a war to lose the holiday season? Moreover, everyone now perfectly understands that they will have to deal not with impoverished Ukraine and its dead "army", but with Russia, so Erdogan regularly calls Putin and informs him that everything is calm ...
          1. StolzSS
            StolzSS 11 March 2014 18: 11
            +2
            And where does he go then ?? Erdogan wants to continue to rule, he is a pragmatist and the rearmament of their current has begun, he can’t afford a war now, and reports to the Kremlin that everything is calm, current terrorists in Syria are blowing up, and everything is calm drinks
          2. alone
            alone 11 March 2014 18: 48
            +1
            Roman, welcome! To be honest, it’s hard to believe any information that comes from the connection with the Crimea and Ukraine. There is so much lies and misinformation that my head is cracking. Some say that George W. Bush is already on the Black Sea, others said that Sagaidachny is flying the St. Andrew’s flag. only the interpretation of a particular position. We just mortals can only hope that there will still be no war.
        3. Thomas
          Thomas 11 March 2014 17: 32
          +7
          After March 16, the Russian fleet will be replenished with the "aircraft carrier" Crimea!
        4. Dovmont
          Dovmont 11 March 2014 18: 02
          +1
          Under international agreements, military vessels with tonnage in excess of 40 thousand tons cannot enter the Black Sea unless they belong to the states of the Black Sea basin.
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 11 March 2014 11: 19
        +1
        Quote: Stiletto
        Well, it depends on how you look at it. It is necessary to take into account not only the ratio of fleets, but also the entire disposition. For example, the fact that if something happens, the Turkish fleet will meet "Bastions" with "Onyx". And not only.

        "Bastions" without air cover are just a target for air-to-ground missiles. Everything will be decided in the sky. At sea, Turkish diesel-electric submarines will not allow our ships to establish air defense lines far from the coast.
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto 11 March 2014 11: 56
          +3
          Quote: Nayhas
          "Bastions" without air cover are just a target for air-to-ground missiles. Everything will be decided in the sky. At sea, Turkish diesel-electric submarines will not allow our ships to establish air defense lines far from the coast.


          And who said that we will not have air cover?
        2. Su24
          Su24 11 March 2014 17: 06
          +2
          Quote: Nayhas
          Quote: Stiletto
          Well, it depends on how you look at it. It is necessary to take into account not only the ratio of fleets, but also the entire disposition. For example, the fact that if something happens, the Turkish fleet will meet "Bastions" with "Onyx". And not only.

          "Bastions" without air cover are just a target for air-to-ground missiles. Everything will be decided in the sky. At sea, Turkish diesel-electric submarines will not allow our ships to establish air defense lines far from the coast.


          And why the S-300 and aviation in the Crimea and Krasnodar Territory? And why did you get the idea that the positions of the BPRK are known to the Turks? And what is Russia worth to throw anti-submarine aircraft from other fleets?
          1. StolzSS
            StolzSS 11 March 2014 18: 13
            +2
            Well, it would still be to find this anti-submarine aviation))) Honestly, for me, it needs to be built new, but the fact that there is an orderly outdated frankly ...
          2. Nayhas
            Nayhas 11 March 2014 20: 11
            +1
            Quote: Su24
            And what is Russia worth to throw anti-submarine aircraft from other fleets?

            To throw something, you need to have something. Russian anti-submarine aircraft practically died.
      3. Army1
        Army1 11 March 2014 15: 34
        +1
        Well, as children, the Turkish fleet is not weak, I agree, but not everything decides the number, even purely hypothetically, if the Turkish navy as a part of the squadron approaches our shores, then it will not involve the entire fleet, they are not suicides, if they think up all, they they will meet the Moscow RK with P-1000, this is a powerful ship, + missile boats, patrol vessels, aviation, it’s not worth talking about coastal missile systems, although they will not give a salvo. Let me remind you, we are talking about the entire Turkish Navy, which appeared in more than one day. After the re-equipment of the World Cup of the Russian Federation, I think it will carry out a much larger range of tasks.
        But there is one thing, but this is Turkey’s submarine fleet, here it is seriously necessary to monitor and not to miss, the business is anti-submarine NK and aviation.
      4. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 11 March 2014 16: 57
        0
        Will you also meet submarines with bastions? The main task of the fleet in wartime is to ensure freedom of transport by sea. We have 1 submarine to block traffic, they have 14, who do you think will win?
        1. i.xxx-1971
          i.xxx-1971 11 March 2014 17: 56
          +3
          For us there is no need to carry out sea transportation in wartime. Western countries exporting oil products from the ports of Novorossiysk and Tuapse are engaged in this.
      5. rasputin17
        rasputin17 11 March 2014 20: 21
        +1
        Well, it depends on how you look at it. It is necessary to take into account not only the ratio of fleets, but also the entire disposition. For example, the fact that if something happens, the Turkish fleet will meet "Bastions" with "Onyx". And not only.


        Do not forget that in addition to the Black Sea, Russia also has the Baltic, Northern and Pacific fleets with strike groups and strategic missile carriers !!
        1. alone
          alone 11 March 2014 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: rasputin17
          Do not forget that in addition to the Black Sea, Russia also has the Baltic, Northern and Pacific fleets with strike groups and strategic missile carriers !!

          How do you imagine the route for these fleets to enter the Black Sea? Ships do not move through the air. God forbid, of course, in a conflict, they will not be able to get into the combat zone. Gulfs will simply block. Therefore, everything lies on the shoulders of the Black Sea Fleet sailors in this region.

          And those ships that arrived from the BF and SF are the ships of the Mediterranean group, which were pulled up even before these events.
    2. Su24
      Su24 11 March 2014 16: 54
      0
      Very superficial article. And the review of ground forces, airborne forces and marine corps is completely absent.
    3. Lone gunman
      Lone gunman 11 March 2014 17: 26
      +1
      There is such a word as a landing or marine corps, but you know what equipment they have ... that's it.
  2. psychologist
    psychologist 11 March 2014 10: 37
    0
    one missile ss-18 satan will balance our forces with any enemy !! do not worry !! Turks, of course, well done and all that, but I don’t think they have enough mind!
    1. wolfhunter2035
      wolfhunter2035 11 March 2014 14: 45
      +1
      only that which was completed in a local conflict will be used, so it was not necessary to write this nonsense, and if nuclear weapons are used, then you will talk about it in heaven, no one has canceled a nuclear war, it can even start with one missile.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 11 March 2014 15: 46
        +2
        For the sake of Turkish insignificance, no one will start World War 3, there are no fools. But the fact that they will not apply nuclear weapons in a local conflict is for sure. Well, maybe it’s tactical and vacuum.
        1. SlavaUkraini
          SlavaUkraini April 6 2014 20: 36
          0
          What a flawed rhetoric. "These nonentities" are exactly the same as you. Moderate your chauvinistic ardor, comrade!
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      3. i.xxx-1971
        i.xxx-1971 11 March 2014 17: 58
        0
        Any local conflict, if the enemy creates a threat to the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, does not exclude the use of nuclear weapons by us. This is our military doctrine.
  3. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 11 March 2014 10: 41
    +3
    Turks must be lured into allies, or at least in a neutral direction.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 March 2014 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: Volodya Sibiryak
      Turks must be lured into allies or at least in a neutral direction

      If Erdogan takes the side of Russia and even he is a neutral political corpse and most likely not only political, but the most natural will be.
      He received a warning, the hosts have enough dirt on him. So let's see what he chooses.
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 11 March 2014 11: 23
        0
        Erdogan wants to be in the SCO, and according to Nazarbayev in the Customs Union.
        So everything is famously spinning.
        1. creak
          creak 11 March 2014 12: 10
          +3
          Enough of these baseless fantasies, is Erdogan still thinking about the CIS? No need to amuse yourself with illusions, not that case ....
          1. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 11 March 2014 13: 55
            +1
            These are not my illusions. I wrote what everyone knows. And how is it really only time will tell.
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 11 March 2014 13: 55
          0
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          Erdogan wants to be in the SCO, and according to Nazarbayev in the Customs Union.

          Are you talking about the last drain of information on Erdogan and his son, and what did this follow in Turkey?
          He is on a huge hook from which you can jump off only in one case, having gone to another world.
  4. ilya_82
    ilya_82 11 March 2014 10: 45
    +11
    Quote: psychologist
    one missile ss-18 satan will balance our forces with any enemy !! do not worry !! Turks, of course, well done and all that, but I don’t think they have enough mind!

    You can, of course, begin to minus, but these unfortunate patriots are already across the throat. Homegrown strategists ... What the hell is Satan ??? Outplayed strategies a bit
    1. Letun
      Letun 11 March 2014 14: 09
      +1
      As one song says: "Oh, you would-be patriots, there are no marines on you" wink
      Plusanul.
  5. Yeraz
    Yeraz 11 March 2014 10: 46
    +2
    Yes, there will be no conflict between nuclear Russia and Turkey as a NATO member, and the role played there is not the 10th one. Politicians are still calm and speak only for peace, the people go to rallies and express their dissatisfaction, and this is understandable, all the same, the Turks are all.
  6. predator.3
    predator.3 11 March 2014 10: 53
    +2
    The Turks are not interested in confrontation with Russia, they have their "skeletons" hanging in the closet - this is the Kurdish question, the flaming border with Syria, and most importantly, the tourist season begins! Who mainly rests there? right Russians!
    1. Hort
      Hort 11 March 2014 12: 16
      0
      Well, while the Germans are resting more) Although the Russians are in second place in terms of quantity.
      1. kostiknet
        kostiknet 11 March 2014 13: 23
        +1
        Yeah, the Germans are resting ... But only if the Turks want to measure themselves with Russia "thick loaf" - the Deutsches will rush to the Fatherland ahead of their own screeching! And Turkey does not need this at all. As well as the loss of money from our tourists. They even have civil strife bypassing the resort areas. They growl for prestige and subside. I would be more surprised if Turkey took a pro-Russian position in this situation.
    2. clidon
      clidon 11 February 2016 18: 58
      0
      Basically, everyone is resting there. Russians in the total number of visitors - 12-16 percent depending on the year.
  7. Leopold
    Leopold 11 March 2014 11: 10
    0
    Turkey has the main geopolitical interests in Central Asia and the Middle East - as the main transit region to Europe in conditions of instability in Ukraine. A direct confrontation with Russia will guarantee the Turkish Armed Forces will be bled to amazement and it will no longer be able to maintain its policy in these regions.
    Again, pogroms in Turkey are not uncommon in recent years.

    On the plus side, the Russian fleet is now not locked in the Black Sea, but is patrolling the east of the Mediterranean. Any - operational space. Not for nothing does the whole US 6th fleet go there.
    1. kplayer
      kplayer 11 March 2014 15: 40
      +3
      Quote: Leopold
      ... It’s not for nothing that the whole 6th US fleet goes there.

      He (the US 6th Operational Fleet) has always been there, in the Mediterranean (since 1950). "Young - green"
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    3. alone
      alone 11 March 2014 18: 52
      +1
      Quote: Leopold
      Not for nothing does the whole US 6th fleet go there.


      I was still a second grader when the 6th Fleet blocked the coast of Lebanon when there was a civil war.
  8. Vadim12
    Vadim12 11 March 2014 11: 13
    +2
    Tanks lack dynamic protection. Very naive.
    1. kostiknet
      kostiknet 11 March 2014 13: 26
      0
      And, is this "yog" on the gussels called tanks in Turkey? Nu-Nu ... laughing
  9. uzer 13
    uzer 13 11 March 2014 12: 09
    +2
    Relations with Turkey in recent years are quite good and the issue of armed confrontation is hardly relevant, rather it belongs to the category of hypothetical assumptions. Tourism, trade are good catalysts for improving mutual understanding.
  10. EvilLion
    EvilLion 11 March 2014 13: 01
    -1
    If anything, "Moscow" can get a lot of frags ...
  11. region46
    region46 11 March 2014 13: 21
    +2
    Quote: EvilLion
    If anything, "Moscow" can get a lot of frags ...

    yeah, one shot!
  12. Orik
    Orik 11 March 2014 15: 25
    +1
    What is Turkish intervention ?! Russian gas imports in 2011 amounted to 58% of the total gas consumed.
  13. kplayer
    kplayer 11 March 2014 15: 33
    +2
    Think small, strategists! like in the sandbox, some frigates and even aircraft carriers !?
    The Black Sea is roughly a "puddle", the US aircraft never entered here (and the Baltic, too), all the work for the Turkish fleet (according to the doctrine, and their main forces are in the same place) in the Aegean Sea, i.e. against Greece.
    DB with Turkey only for holding airspace and exchanges of air strikes. Even if we have a Black Sea Fleet cruiser with strong air defense (air defense missile systems with a range of 200 km and more, since the launch range of the Harpoon air-to-ship anti-ship missile system is longer), then it is better to keep it safe.
    The Air Force needs to be trained in them military force.
    1. homo soveticus
      homo soveticus 11 March 2014 18: 00
      +2
      aircraft carriers will never enter (the Montro doctrine seems to be over 45000 tons, the passage is forbidden for the rest for no more than 21 days) Turkey monitors the Bosporus and it seems like the Bastions are already in the Crimea (infa from politicus))))))))
    2. alone
      alone 11 March 2014 18: 55
      0
      Quote: kplayer
      The Black Sea, roughly speaking, is a "puddle", US aircraft never entered here (and


      Well, this should not be ruled out either. Turkey still belongs to NATO. The United States too. If anything, they can let it go. Tell me about international documents and treaties, and who is fulfilling these requirements now? Nobody. In our time, 100% can be said only what is directly in the pocket (And then if the pickpocket did not work there) hi
      1. kplayer
        kplayer 11 March 2014 21: 12
        0
        Quote: lonely
        ... If anything, they can let it go. You tell me about international documents and treaties, and who is now fulfilling these requirements? Nobody.

        You didn’t understand, because there was a lack of operational need (+ risk for AVMs) to hold AUGs in the Black Sea (incl. The Baltic are inland seas), in my opinion, there are enough air bases in Turkey, and the importance of the Navy against the backdrop of the Air Force’s striking capabilities is departing from this case to the background. In his comment, it was not in vain that he emphasized the relevance of aviation in the Black Sea zone (including the marine base).
        Think! to make up for the possible loss of a warship, not to mention the human losses in the crew (hundreds and thousands of people), they are incomparable with the loss of a tactical aircraft and its crew (1-2 people), capable of sinking this ship (for example, one three anti-ship missiles).
        1. alone
          alone 11 March 2014 22: 00
          0
          Quote: kplayer
          You didn’t understand, because there was a lack of operational need (+ risk for AVMs) to hold AUGs in the Black Sea (incl. The Baltic are inland seas), in my opinion, there are enough air bases in Turkey, and the importance of the Navy against the backdrop of the Air Force’s striking capabilities is departing from this case to the background. In his comment, it was not in vain that he emphasized the relevance of aviation in the Black Sea zone (including the marine base).
          Think! to make up for the possible loss of a warship, not to mention the human losses in the crew (hundreds and thousands of people), they are incomparable with the loss of a tactical aircraft and its crew (1-2 people), capable of sinking this ship (for example, one three anti-ship missiles).

          I understood, and stated all this as if hypothetically. About the Air Force I agree. Where you can risk 1-2, they will never risk in the thousands. This is like a visiting card of the Western VS. And as for ships, like an aircraft carrier, there’s no reason to enter the Black Sea, It’s enough to stand in the Aegean Sea. And destroyers with tomahawks too.
          God forbid, of course, that there was a war. But if they start to peel from ships from a distance of 800 km, then the anti-ship ships will not help. what
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  14. Bob
    Bob 11 March 2014 15: 55
    +1
    The 2014 presidential elections in Turkey can change the country's political leadership, so there are big risks for the Russian Federation, including the military. Unfortunately, the Americans have more and more leverage over this leadership. In Turkey, as in many other places (where US interests are affected), the ground is shaking under politicians as a result of grandiose anti-corruption scandals and the unleashing of orange revolutions. Therefore, the politicians of these states, including Turkey, cannot but look at Fashington when shaping their policies. However, this behavior of politicians and national leaders, who are considered "cancer" mattress toppers does not protect them from the anger of the masses and from the revenge of the United States - see the story of Hussein (hanged), Gadafi (torn to pieces by the crowd), Milosevic (convicted by the European Court), etc. ... Therefore, Erdogan needs to be ready to become the same victim if he does not obey Babama's orders, that is, a seemingly hopeless situation. Well, Erdogan will not join the CSTO bloc, will not join the Customs Union, this is simply not considered by this leader. But in vain ... After all, his days as a leader are numbered. Angry warnings are already coming from Fashington, and Turkey, with its current political regime, has no chance of avoiding a military escalation. I think that Crimea for Turkey is and is hidden deep inside as a non-growing wound and pain for the untimely lost past greatness of the Ottoman Empire, and therefore the Turks, to my deepest regret, will try to grab hold of the Crimea and the Black Sea with Russia. And this is indeed a serious adversary, if one does not take into account the strategic nuclear forces of Russia and Turkey, which are also there.
    The Americans will be happy to use alien people (like cannon fodder) to achieve their strategic interests - gaining dominance over the Black Sea, which would provide the opportunity for a lightning operation against Russia, its Central, Western part, including Moscow (military doctrine of the US global strike) . Therefore, I am sure (there are no miracles) that the Americans will play the Turkish card, despite threats to their allies - Europe, which will receive chaos on the Eurasian continent as a result of these military operations.
    Therefore, Russia must have strong rear lines and allied relations with the PRC in order to jointly fight American evil, because Turkey and the Middle East are a zone of interests of the Chinese even more than the Russians.
    1. alone
      alone 11 March 2014 20: 53
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      The President in Turkey is a symbol of power and does not decide anything politically. The main role is played by the parliament and the Prime Minister. Have you ever heard that the President of Turkey made any important political statements that would be strategic?
  15. old rats
    old rats 11 March 2014 17: 43
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    Quote: Vadim12
    Tanks lack dynamic protection. Very naive.


    You understand a lot!
    It is just a retro style. laughing
  16. homo soveticus
    homo soveticus 11 March 2014 17: 57
    +1
    Tatars in Crimea promise mountains of gold ,,,,,, they agree on the campaign, appease them and Turkey
  17. Dovmont
    Dovmont 11 March 2014 18: 18
    +2
    Crimean Tatars will show themselves yet, mark my word. The big "+" for Crimea is that two narrow paths lead to it: through Perekop and the Chongar Peninsula. This will make it easy for Russia to control the flow of extremists. And it's easier to block sea routes than mountain trails in the Caucasus.
    1. ostin
      ostin 12 March 2014 01: 53
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      soon the Chinese will come to you "in peace" to protect the Chinese population of the East of Russia wassat
  18. Leshka
    Leshka 11 March 2014 19: 01
    +1
    we need a BSF swap
  19. valokordin
    valokordin 11 March 2014 20: 04
    +1
    We must increase our military power and more often mention the Chesme Bay in 1853.
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    1. petrT
      petrT 12 March 2014 02: 06
      +1
      It is unlikely that after this there will be NATO aviation, do not forget that the air defense of the Russian Federation surpasses all analogues in the world. (Naval air defense) is no exception. Yes, and in the Mediterranean Sea it seems like the fleet still floats, and 90% that there is a "loaf" with "granites" ...
    2. HMR333
      HMR333 12 March 2014 02: 53
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      don’t tell your cheap aircraft carrier with the escort of the cruiser Moscow will evaporate into the trash for one or two ... you remember the recent exercises of Russia when your fleet went on a pet, but it was strictly forbidden to them to reach the distance of the missile complex of the cruiser Moscow they knew what they were talking about! they know that with a 100 percent guarantee it will be destroyed!
  21. ostin
    ostin 12 March 2014 02: 11
    -2
    ship air defense, do you want to calm yourself? ... one hit - and there is no ship air defense
  22. project sity
    project sity 12 March 2014 02: 16
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    Her Turkey will not make mistakes as in the old days. She will work closely with Russia. But NATO is a slag, which neither Turkey nor we can do.
  23. krot
    krot 12 March 2014 02: 41
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    Turkey I hope will not intervene, thereby digging his own grave!
  24. HMR333
    HMR333 12 March 2014 02: 44
    -1
    the bottom line is that the Turkish fleet is superior to the Black Sea but Moscow is a cruiser and the rest are not Georgian boats !!! plus coastal complexes plus c300 and other coastal! plus who said that there are no Russian submarines in the Black Sea! and you’re talking about Turkey, not Ukraine, then how about China? and what was the recent whining of the Iskanders worth a very huge argument to even repel bad thoughts!
  25. xackera
    xackera 12 March 2014 05: 09
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    Why would the Turks get into the Crimea and run into a war with Russia, which they alone could not win? Erdogan does not - understands perfectly well that neither Europe nor the United States will help the Turks in this war with deeds, only insignificant words.
  26. Tygyps
    Tygyps 12 March 2014 22: 24
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    The successful position of the Bastion in Sevastopol. It reaches Istanbul - 576 km. With a range of 600 km.