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Air tank truck

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In September, far aviation The Russian Air Force conducted flight tactical exercises with the practical refueling of Tu-95 MS strategic bombers in the air with Il-78 tanker aircraft.


Air tank truck


According to the training plan, a couple of bombers were raised from the Ukrainka air base (Amur region), a pair of air tankers from the Ryazan Dyagilevo air base. The meeting of two groups of aircraft took place in the sky over the Saratov region, refueling was carried out over the Orenburg region.

Refueling in the air is the most difficult element of flight training, the highest degree of airmanship, it requires the precision of piloting pilots from both the crew of the air tanker and the crew of the aircraft being filled. After all, the length of the hose of the outboard refueling unit is just 26 meters, which means that the pilots of the refueling bomber must approach the tanker at such a distance, dock with the refueling cone and, at 700 km / h, keep the multi-ton machine in direct proximity to the tanker aircraft. In this case, the whole process of refueling in the air lasted more than half an hour.



And in order to refuel the aircraft with the same amount of fuel on the ground, it would take about four hours, taking into account the time required for descending, landing, maintaining the aircraft on the ground, taking off and gaining altitude. And then, if there is an airfield in a given area capable of receiving aircraft of this type. And if the action takes place over the territory of the enemy or over the sea? That is why refueling in the air significantly expands the capabilities of combat aircraft and increases the range of flight of front-line or long-range aircraft.

The armament of the Russian Air Force today consists of Il-78 aircraft-tankers, created on the basis of Il-76 MD transporters. In connection with the need to replace outdated Tu-16 N, M-4 – 2 and 3 М-3 tanker aircraft, in the early 70-s, work began on creating a new specialized vehicle. The prototype of the new refueling aircraft, in the fuselage of which two cylindrical tanks were installed on 23,4 thous. Liters, included in the common fuel system, made the first flight 26 June 1983 of the year (the commander of the ship - test pilot V. S. Belousov). Serial production was launched in 1984 at the Tashkent Aviation Production Association.



A characteristic difference in the new development from the former tanker aircraft, mainly focused on long-range aviation service, was the possibility of interaction with front-line aircraft as well as air defense aircraft. Three devices were installed on the machine (two on the wings and one in the stern of the fuselage on the right side) UPAZ-1 (standardized outboard refueling unit), which was developed in Zvezda under the guidance of G. I. Severin and V. I. Kharchenko .

In addition to refueling in the air, the IL-78 could also serve as a tanker for transporting fuel. When fuel was released on the ground, OZPs were not used; instead, they were led to intrafuseral tanks up to 4 fuel lines, which were brought out through the loading hatch. Also for the IL-78 was provided for conversion into a transport aircraft, for which the UPAZ and two fuselage tanks were made removable, and on board there were two cargo winches, telpher, rolling table and mooring and rigging equipment.



7 March 1988 of the year under the control of V. S. Belousov made the first flight of a modified Il-78 M tanker with a take-off weight increased to 210 tons. The new car lost the ability to quickly convert to a transport plane, as the developers made changes to the design to increase the amount of fuel transported. Thus, in the cargo compartment three fixed cylindrical tanks for 36 tons of fuel were installed, there were no amphibious transport equipment and a rear loading hatch, which made it possible to reduce the own weight of the aircraft structure by 5 tons. The wing was also strengthened, the attachment of the fuselage fueling unit was changed with the installation of a more efficient modification of the PAZ-1 M (fuel overflow capacity to 2900 l / min, unlike the 2200 l / min in UPAZ-1).

The control of the refueling in the air on the IL-78 comes from a specially equipped place of the refueling operator located at the place of the aft rifle installation.

At the MAKS-2013 air show, it was announced that the Ministry of Defense plans to purchase 40 new IL-478 aircraft with new PS-90 A series engines in the next three years. It is planned that they will be upgraded according to the type of IL-476.
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  1. Nayhas
    Nayhas 15 February 2014 07: 24
    +4
    The cost of a transport aircraft is much more than an ordinary passenger one and re-equipping it with a refueling aircraft is a big mistake. If in relation to the IL-78 it was somewhat justified, because after dismantling the fueling equipment, it can be used as a regular transporter, then the IL-78M is deprived of such an opportunity. All over the world (with some exceptions) it is passenger aircraft that will be converted to a tanker aircraft, this is cheaper, especially in operation.
    Further, the planning for the production of a refueling aircraft based on the IL-476 is not justified by the fact that the existing fleet is in excess, they practically do not fly, because there are very few airplanes with an air refueling system. Modernization of the IL-78 will be enough ...
    1. FID
      FID 15 February 2014 10: 43
      +5
      Quote: Nayhas
      it is passenger aircraft that will be converted to a tanker aircraft, it’s cheaper, especially in operation.

      You see, the whole trouble is that civilians with more volume are NOT RELEASED from us. Il-96-400 would be good (and there were projects for its conversion into a tanker), but we have UAC ...
      1. FID
        FID 15 February 2014 10: 47
        +3
        This is 96102 a / c Flight (bankrupt now)
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 15 February 2014 12: 29
          +5
          Currently, VASO has three Il-96-400T cargo aircraft, which Polet Airlines abandoned (registration numbers RA-96101, RA-96102 and RA-96103) and one Il-96-400T aircraft, completed in 2011. but never transferred to Polet (RA-96104). Apparently, VASO proposes converting the first three of these aircraft into tanker aircraft, and converting the RA-96104 aircraft into an Il-96-400VPU. Earlier it was reported that it is planned to re-equip these three aircraft in passenger for the Cuban airline Cubana.
          1. FID
            FID 15 February 2014 13: 28
            +5
            Quote: Alex 241
            Currently, VASO has three Il-96-400T cargo aircraft, which Polet Airlines abandoned (registration numbers RA-96101, RA-96102 and RA-96103) and one Il-96-400T aircraft, completed in 2011

            There is another 96105, it is now being done for Sechin, if it is a sort of VIP. Cubans want to buy a converted IL-96-400 passenger. A good passenger would be very ... Range 12000-14000 ...
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 15 February 2014 13: 37
              +4
              Quote: SSI
              Sechin’s doing
              For Rosneft, it’s a penny Serezha. He is now on the Cessna 750 Citation X,
              Bombardier Global Express or the Falcon 900EX flies.
              1. FID
                FID 15 February 2014 13: 44
                +5
                This is understandable, but I wanted a big one. Why I didn’t take 380 - it’s not clear ...
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 15 February 2014 13: 52
                  +4
                  Oh Seryozha! Good crown! I’ll go to work for Rosneft activists laughing good
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 15 February 2014 17: 27
        +1
        Quote: SSI
        You see, the whole trouble is that civilians with more volume are NOT RELEASED from us.

        Now yes, there’s nothing to choose from, but work on the IL-78 began back in the 70s, when the civilian aircraft industry was on the rise.
        1. FID
          FID 15 February 2014 17: 31
          +3
          Quote: Nayhas
          but work on the IL-78 began back in the 70s, when the civilian aircraft industry was on the rise.

          In the USSR, they built the machines that were needed. Tanker means tanker. It was the Americans who were remaking "citizens". With us, if you remember, it was the other way around. First Tu-16, then Tu-104 ...
          1. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 16 February 2014 01: 14
            0
            Quote: SSI
            With us, if you remember, it was the other way around. First Tu-16, then Tu-104 ...

            Yes, in the USSR there was a priority of military production over civilian production in all directions. Any large plant had two military and civilian conveyors with maximum unification of components and assemblies for the fastest possible transfer of production to military production. One of the key features of a mobilization economy, not very convenient in peacetime, but allowing the state to survive "if something happens."
          2. vtur
            vtur 16 February 2014 13: 24
            0
            Quote: SSI
            It was the Americans who were remaking "citizens". With us, if you remember, it was the other way around. First Tu-16, then Tu-104 ...

            It is appropriate to "recall" two moments from the history of Boeing:
            1) the prototype B-707 was designed as a tanker, and then it was "converted" into a passenger
            2) The B-747 was originally planned to be produced primarily in the cargo modification (hence the specific gorgrot), and the reality of the market was completely different ...
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 15 February 2014 12: 20
      +2
      All over the world (with some exceptions) it is passenger aircraft that will be converted to a tanker aircraft, this is cheaper, especially in operation.


      The requirements of our military (USSR and Russia) are mandatory take-off and landing on the ground, which is almost impossible on a civilian plane, especially European and American! In Soviet times, Aeroflot (aircraft) was the strategic reserve of the BTA, so the aircraft of the Soviet civil fleet had the opportunity to land, in modern times, no!
  2. Civil
    Civil 15 February 2014 08: 54
    +4
    here they are handsome crowds!
    1. 123dv
      123dv 15 February 2014 09: 04
      +5
      Beauties should be dispersed so that they continue to be handsome.
      At 41, they covered everyone in one fell swoop. I think, and now they will not be too original.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 15 February 2014 12: 21
        +1
        In the event of a dispersal, there are no fools!
      2. vtur
        vtur 16 February 2014 13: 29
        0
        Quote: 123dv
        At 41, covered everyone in one fell swoop

        A very controversial statement in the light of modern historical publications ...
  3. sevtrash
    sevtrash 15 February 2014 11: 01
    0
    And what they don’t do like the Americans do - the transfer of fuel along the bar including, the transmission speed is higher. Although, apparently, it requires funds for development, but there is no particular need.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 15 February 2014 17: 31
      +1
      Quote: sevtrash
      And what they don’t do like the Americans do - the transfer of fuel along the bar including, the transmission speed is higher. Although, apparently, it requires funds for development, but there is no particular need.

      We only have fuel rod rods on planes, we have to redo the neck, and this is probably expensive and troublesome.
    2. vtur
      vtur 16 February 2014 13: 43
      0
      Quote: sevtrash
      transfer rate higher

      Didn't the refueling time in the article surprise anyone? This is how much the tanker himself burns + the way back? !! And what a load on the crew - to hang out "on a lace" for half an hour! Now it is unambiguously necessary to design tankers based on the requirements of today. The US Department of Defense was quite ready to buy tankers based on the A-330:
      http://www.automan.kz/151240-v-tendere-vvs-ssha-na-sozdanie-zapravshhika.html
  4. Leshka
    Leshka 15 February 2014 11: 10
    +1
    fuel refueling tankers
    1. svp67
      svp67 15 February 2014 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: Leshka
      fuel refueling tankers
      Oh, but what about the rest of the aviation, the Yankees even have turntables for refueling, which would not hurt us to install on our aircraft, at least in the form of removable containers, in order to be able to quickly build up aviation in the right place in a short time ... And that means "air filling stations" we need more ... Interestingly, on the basis of An124 such a project was considered?
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 15 February 2014 12: 43
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        Interestingly, on the basis of An124, such a project was considered?
        Initially, the future Ruslan was developed for military purposes, for example, for the transfer of launchers for intercontinental ballistic missiles and other heavy equipment. However, the added functionality was not limited only to this - the An-124 was also conceived as a base for a number of modifications, among which, at the stage of the preliminary design, a tanker aircraft and a cargo-passenger version were considered. The Antonov Ukrainian Aviation Science and Technology Complex will take part in a tender for the supply of new generation KC-X tanker aircraft, held by the US Air Force, Defense News reported. The company will take part in the tender in the consortium, which will be headed by the American US Aerospace. According to the information agency, the American-Ukrainian consortium intends to offer three refuellers for the tender at once. At the beginning of the tender, the companies will present to the American military tankers based on the An-124-100 Ruslan and An-122 transports. Later, the US Air Force will also be able to see a tanker based on the new An-112 aircraft. The latter will be designed specifically for the KC-X and will be the only contestant completely built from scratch. Information for 2010.
        1. svp67
          svp67 15 February 2014 12: 57
          +1
          Quote: Alex 241
          According to the information agency, the American-Ukrainian consortium intends to offer three tankers for the tender at once. At the beginning of the tender, the companies will present to the American military tankers based on the An-124-100 Ruslan and An-122 transports. Later, the US Air Force will also be able to see a tanker based on the new An-112 aircraft. The latter will be designed specifically for the KC-X and will be the only contestant completely built from scratch. Information for 2010.

          Welcome hi But what about the Russian Air Force?
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 15 February 2014 13: 08
            +3
            Serezha, sorry, I didn’t say hello. But nothing, the production of aircraft was discontinued in 2004, recently the resource was extended from 25 to 45 years. The main operators of the BTA of Russia and AK Volga-Dnepr. A plan for modernization until 2017 was approved. Seryozha I have a small archive, read it, there is about An-124 http://coollib.com/b/225679/read
            1. svp67
              svp67 15 February 2014 13: 30
              +4
              That `s all right...
              This is different. It seems that now they have decided to restore production of "Ruslan", so maybe tankers will be included in this number?
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 15 February 2014 14: 06
                +3
                Seryozha, this is a distant prospect of 2020. My opinion is that IL-78 is more sharpened for these purposes. The 124th is tied to the airfield network.
                1. dmitrij.blyuz
                  dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 14: 13
                  +6
                  Then, in the fall, someone jumped out of his pants, proving the inability of the 76s to take off from the ground. At that time I was still a passive observer. Proof, you can’t imagine any better!
                  1. velikoros-xnumx
                    velikoros-xnumx 16 February 2014 01: 41
                    0
                    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                    ut, someone in the fall jumped out of his pants, proving the impossibility of the 76's to take off from the ground.

                    I remember, I remember, someone from the "occupied" Ukraine in an article about An-70. By the way, I also did not take part in the discussion. I am not an expert and I do not know the material, but the worm of doubt was grinding me. This video convincingly enough refuted the opinion of the spiteful critics. I think the Il-476 in this regard will be even more adapted for takeoff from the ground - a modified wing design, engines with higher thrust, requiring less takeoff, and when landing using reverse, less mileage.
                    1. Kuzkin Batyan
                      Kuzkin Batyan 17 February 2014 08: 37
                      0
                      Is it possible to use a rev? It seems to me that it will start to raise sand and swallow it in the engine.
                2. FID
                  FID 15 February 2014 14: 15
                  +6
                  Guys, Ruslana will not do it (for now, anyway). There are no commercial orders, and the military does not want to pay for new cars. Glider life is extended, but self-propelled guns are not. They will fly as they are, and repairing electronics will be MUCH ...
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 15 February 2014 14: 18
                    +5
                    Quote: SSI
                    electronics repair will be MUCH ...

                    I know Seryozha, more expensive than a cast-iron bridge.
                    1. papik09
                      papik09 16 February 2014 07: 31
                      0
                      Or "humpback" bridge in Dnepropetrovsk recourse Its cost (length is 75 meters, height - 10) in the prices of 1965 is TWO MILLION RUBLES. The official rate was 0,68 rubles. for 1 US dollar. fool
                  2. dmitrij.blyuz
                    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 18: 12
                    +2
                    hi On the basis of Ruslan, they will not do TK at all. This topic is not planned either. Rather, due to the fact that NO ONE OFFERED. And, in fact, such a whopper with its cruising perspective is a very good TK for our Air Force. My opinion. Modifying the car will not be difficult. Here's the series to run, as usual, there will be no money. crying
                    1. Kuzkin Batyan
                      Kuzkin Batyan 17 February 2014 08: 40
                      0
                      And what will they carry? More maintenance costs. The same silts can cope with this. Those that have the Dnieper Volga and then not every day orders. And the rest of the Ruslans are from the military. They probably do not take off at all.
                3. svp67
                  svp67 15 February 2014 15: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Seryozha, this is a distant prospect of 2020. My opinion is that IL-78 is more sharpened for these purposes. The 124th is tied to the airfield network.
                  Alex, that's not entirely sad. After all, "refueling centers" have already been created, at least take Koltsovo ... "Ruslan-tanker" are rising from the airfield in pairs and refueling planes that fly further without landing where they need to ...
      2. 1c-inform-city
        1c-inform-city 15 February 2014 15: 24
        +3
        The fact is that the Yankees are accustomed to flying with impunity, so they set up refueling anywhere. How do you imagine refueling in the zone of the front line and the presence of air defense. This is the anti-aircraft guner's dream.
  5. itkul
    itkul 15 February 2014 14: 21
    +1
    And why do the pilots in the photo look like pregnant women, such huge boobs
    1. FID
      FID 15 February 2014 14: 29
      +6
      Have just had lunch. In flight SUCH soldering ...
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 15 February 2014 14: 33
        +3
        Quote: SSI
        Have just had lunch. In flight SUCH soldering ..
        Which are beautiful as first love, a source of bitter regrets. laughing
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 15 February 2014 14: 35
          +6
          .............................................................
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 15 February 2014 21: 13
            +3
            Quote: Alex 241
            .............................................................

            Damn, Sanya ...
            Well, where are you digging out these videos ???
            belay
            That about the canteen.
            Although I’m a hunter, but in the video everything is the beginning of 90's already saturated.
            good
            But cooking boilers are not visible, only stoves ... flyers, eat ...
            wink
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 15 February 2014 21: 18
              +3
              Hi Lesh, somehow I’ll feed you a real reactive soup, after it vodka does not take laughing
        2. FID
          FID 15 February 2014 14: 38
          +4
          Oh, Sash, as I remember flying ... I liked the sailors ("boots", because the army ones were "boots"). In technical equipment it was weaker ...
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 15 February 2014 14: 43
            +4
            Seryozha February 23, 89goda Khotilovo, each in the canteen 2 bottles of beer rolled out laughing
  6. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 15: 10
    +4
    Oh, the great miracle Aviation Canteen! Technical and flying. That in Shaikovka, that in Vanino. But better, of course, in Engels! Tallons LTP. To return the past. Yes alas! recourse
    1. FID
      FID 15 February 2014 15: 15
      +3
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      What is in Shaikovka, what is in Vanino

      Well, not really Vanino, Mongohto. To Vanino, 40-50 kilometers, it seems to me. And the bus twice a day, and once the steam locomotive Sov.Gavan-Vladivostok ...
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 15 February 2014 15: 17
        +3
        Brothers and barbecue in the squadron zone on the PCB, or hockey in the winter in an arched shelter?
      2. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 15: 49
        0
        Yes.Sov.Havan.Moreman. The guys came to us from there. However, they scattered them. The same in the 90s. Like 142th stood.
  7. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 15: 52
    +4
    Guys! February 25 is the Aviation Engineering Service Day! Our IAS! Don't forget to "flinch! drinks
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 15 February 2014 15: 54
      +4
      We’ll just not slow Dim from 23, so smoothly on March 8, and there it’s just a stone's throw laughing
  8. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 16: 03
    +3
    Duc 25th - continuation of our holidays! Including March 8th! laughing But I feel that I’ll get the 26th on the cumpole! The wife of the 25th day! So that I will have great fun! I remember her Jam Day and remember, because it is my day! wassat I’d better try to slap the guys in the squadron. (If I’m conscious what )
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 15 February 2014 16: 14
      +5
      Dim on requests for Seryoga, and you!
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 15 February 2014 16: 20
        +3
        Flight Tu-142 over Mongohto
        1. FID
          FID 15 February 2014 16: 35
          +3
          Sash, and in Mongohto a strip, as in Vnukovo, with a hump. I remembered my youth ... I was just over 30 when I flew to Mongohto ..
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 15 February 2014 16: 43
            +3
            In Cosmos-Energy, the leadership was changed. The first action, fenced off from us.
            1. FID
              FID 15 February 2014 17: 00
              +3
              By the way, in April the AFL put all of the IL-96 to the wall, and they still have not all the landing resources, there is still a lot (for some, anyway). So, the Cubans are going to take one car, and one or two a / c this very Cosmos-Energy.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 15 February 2014 17: 12
                +2
                ]How will they pull them? After all, they have Proton botts flying to launch. After the disaster with Lokomotiv, there’s no commercial load. Well, although there’s a guide from Atlanta, they are famous swindlers. Atlant-Soyuz is standing on a cut right next to the Kiev highway IL-86.
                1. FID
                  FID 15 February 2014 17: 25
                  +2
                  Atlant-Soyuz is Muscovy, it is bankrupt. Cosmos-Energy - they have a / c some import name. The state gives them money, and fly to the East without landings ...
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 15 February 2014 17: 35
                    +3
                    Quote: SSI
                    Cosmos-Energy - they have a / c some import name.

                    RusDzhet in my opinion. Clintondale is still included. Well, they know how to master the state-owned score.
                    1. Hleb
                      Hleb 15 February 2014 17: 38
                      +2
                      Why don’t you watch hockey?
                      1. dmitrij.blyuz
                        dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 17: 59
                        +3
                        Ours will win anyway. There’s another war! Although hockey is on TV. Well-distracted: we have serious work on the site! We solve world problems! But, personally, I, with my left eye, also mow in the telly! laughing
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 15 February 2014 18: 06
                        +3
                        Come on girls!
                      3. dmitrij.blyuz
                        dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 18: 15
                        +1
                        Sasha! We, in your post, if that is the case, will not cope together! laughing
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 15 February 2014 18: 25
                        +1
                        Dim, how would I get excited laughing
                      5. dmitrij.blyuz
                        dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 18: 28
                        +1
                        Eh! Reset, I would be 25 years old! They would have spoken everyone! But, dreams, dreams ... crying
                2. Hleb
                  Hleb 15 February 2014 18: 13
                  +2
                  that's it! as soon as an article on the topic of OI, Plushenko rinses and shame on such results, and the floor of the site is rubbed for everything in the world during the Russia-USA match. They don’t worry. But then they will discuss it with the kind of experts
                3. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 15 February 2014 18: 31
                  +1
                  Well done anyway! Fighters! They fought to the end! Clever women! I can’t say a word of reproach!
                4. Hleb
                  Hleb 15 February 2014 18: 39
                  +2
                  I'm talking about men in general. still play.
                  only Datsyuk I have an unlimited supply of trust
                5. Hleb
                  Hleb 15 February 2014 18: 44
                  +4
                  aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa not protected ...... bastards
                6. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 15 February 2014 18: 55
                  +2
                  Calm Gleb, calmly.
                7. Hleb
                  Hleb 15 February 2014 19: 17
                  +2
                  drama(
                  a good team with the Americans ...
                8. Arberes
                  Arberes 15 February 2014 19: 24
                  +6
                  Quote: Gleb
                  a good team with the Americans ...

                  TEAM CAN AND GOOD? JUDGES AT THEIR COCK-count in the head and draw in the throat!
                  SCOTTLE CATTLE !!!!!!!!!
                9. Hleb
                  Hleb 15 February 2014 19: 34
                  0
                  this is a stormozil mattress. the gates were shifted by the goalkeeper. according to the rules they didn’t defend correctly
                10. Arberes
                  Arberes 15 February 2014 19: 42
                  +4
                  Quote: Gleb
                  this is a mattress cover. the gates were shifted by the goalkeeper. according to the rules correctly

                  The mattress judge held out until the third period, and then lasciviousness began! And how was our player pressed to the ice with a club in the back of the head ????
                  GOL-handsome, almost from the blue line! I still can’t get over it! What would their judges grow wherever possible and shrink where necessary! Curses on their heads!
                11. Hleb
                  Hleb 15 February 2014 20: 33
                  +2
                  ____________
                12. Russ69
                  Russ69 15 February 2014 21: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Arberes
                  The mattress judge held out until the third period, and then lasciviousness began!

                  With what, generally put the horseradish mattress for the match Russia-USA
                13. Arberes
                  Arberes 15 February 2014 21: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Russ69
                  With what, generally put the horseradish mattress for the match Russia-USA

                  I don’t know how all this is solved there and what are the sport officials guided by? The only thing I can say in football is that these things do not work! There is a rule that takes into account the nationality of the judge, that is, initially there is a presumption of guilt of the judge! In hockey this is not!
            2. Russ69
              Russ69 15 February 2014 21: 17
              +1
              Quote: Gleb
              this is a stormozil mattress. the gates were shifted by the goalkeeper. according to the rules they didn’t defend correctly

              "Bradley Mayer. The man who changed everything. The honor of serving in many respects the decisive match of the Russian national team in the group stage of the Olympic tournament against the US team fell to the American referee Brad Mayer. Ironically, it was the North American referee who made the seemingly completely incomprehensible decision to cancel the goal after the magnificent shot from the blue line performed by Fyodor Tyutin. Now Sportbox.ru knows everything about Mayer! The color of the nation, one of the best representatives of the profession - these are the epithets that the American hockey press gives to 46-year-old Mayer - one of seven referees from the NHL in Sochi. Daytona, Ohio, joined the American college of arbitrators back in 1994. At first, the young referee was entrusted with the matches of numerous junior tournaments in the United States and Canada. In the end, the American played at least one match at all possible levels of the North American hockey hierarchy, Mayer's first truly serious work and was the 1995 World Youth Championship, held in the Canadian province of Alberta. It is not difficult to guess that the winners of that round-robin tournament were the host team. The Russians then remained second. A year before his NHL debut, Mayer worked at the 1998 Nagano Olympics. At the moment, the American has 853 regular season matches and 32 playoff games in the world's strongest hockey league. While the whole of Russia was clutching its head and could not believe its eyes after the cancellation of Tyutin's goal, commentators on the American NBC channel easily discerned a violation of the rules in this seemingly crystal clear episode. In the opinion of our overseas colleagues, the puck flew into the Stars and Stripes goal not after a direct throw from the Russian defender, but after a rebound from the stick of one of our players who were in the “line of fire”. And all would be fine if the game projectile was raised to an unacceptable height - a game with a club held high, and even though you failed. It is interesting that in 2009 the famous American specialized portal scoutingtherefs.com took a rather detailed interview with Mayer. When asked about the current rules of the game, which would not hurt to change, Brad replied coolly and simply: "It is necessary to significantly toughen the penalties for playing with a stick held high, both in attack and in defense."

              Source: http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/12887-vsya-pravda-o-sdvinutyh-vorotah-i-nezaschitan
              nom-gole-sbornoy-rossii.html
              Politikus.ru
          2. svp67
            svp67 15 February 2014 20: 00
            +1
            Quote: Arberes
            TEAM CAN AND GOOD?
            It cannot but GOOD. And "it's not over yet" ...
          3. Arberes
            Arberes 15 February 2014 20: 02
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            It cannot but GOOD. And "it's not over yet" ...

            Wait and see!
            I'll go get cold beer.
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 15 February 2014 19: 27
        +2
        Gleb, I don’t even want to say anything! Therefore, I was a fan of girls. This is not shampoo, shaving gel and Skoda to advertise,
      3. Hleb
        Hleb 15 February 2014 19: 34
        +2
        why already, move on
      4. FID
        FID 15 February 2014 19: 36
        +2
        Why did the American judge? Although, you need to win with ANY refereeing!
      5. svp67
        svp67 15 February 2014 20: 01
        +3
        Quote: SSI
        Although, you need to win with ANY refereeing!
        KEY PHRASE. Opponent is VERY STRONG ... But the tournament is EVERYTHING ahead ...
    2. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 20: 33
      +1
      Our girls are driving the puck to the peasants in a lesson! And how are they whipping? Mommy! I’d better go around them in a quarter! And rub the back in my soul! repeat
  9. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 19: 37
    +2
    Handle from yourself, gas-to tail, do not forget the chassis, revs-80! Flaps at 20.
  10. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 19: 48
    +2
    To win, you need to be "greedy" before the game, that we have few nuggets? Why are these legionnaires, how many times can you step on a rake! There are girls, almost a yard team! And how they play!
  11. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 19: 52
    +3
    Guys, we’re looking for reasons? Maybe not there? Before the Olympics, everyone seemed to want to break up. But now, there’s no air, because high, etc. What the hell? If we do our job badly, we are pressed. - they chose this for themselves. So what sherry, getting "modest" they do not work out? It is necessary to beat. And in the face. All countries know how, but ours have problems all the time, and in their own hut.
  12. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 20: 02
    +1
    Dim, the fact of the matter is that I won’t say a word in our lexicon, I don’t know, I don’t know, I can’t miss it completely! An order was received to combine space and time! The answer is yes, a strong two-way turn over my left shoulder, and I went to do it!
  13. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 20: 08
    +2
    Aha! Fucking! Sorry, Sasha, a little upset like a balalaika from a frost. Nowadays, we really fought. And now they have taken bronze and are already happy! We’ve gotten to the hell! It’s a complete disgrace!
  14. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 20: 10
    +2
    Come on Dimych, by experience.
  15. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 20: 21
    +1
    We’ll survive. But the sediment will remain. By the way, I’m talking about the beginning of the article! It seems that refueling was carried out for the first time! I just finished it. I’m no longer minus the author, because. plus on joys. I will advise only to draw articles more adequately.
  16. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 20: 32
    +1
    Dim here to you even from the archive, look through there many articles quite literate http://avia-simply.ru/page/3/
  17. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 20: 44
    +1
    Thank you so much, Sasha! We’ll have to hang out for about three days! Just-DIGGING AND LEARNING! hi
  18. cosmos111
    cosmos111 15 February 2014 22: 22
    0
    tanker F4E 2020 "Terminator" ((((


  19. VAF
    VAF 15 February 2014 19: 55
    +4
    Quote: Gleb
    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa not protected ...... bastards


    Here is the answer ... of the International Federation wassat -m..yah, the judge has no nationality wassat
    It turns out it still has recourse
    And how, I did not see how Malkin "choked" without a puck in overtime am
    And Tyutin from the blue line put such a "splash" good and mumble ... not counted belay
    But why the heck then the replay and the video and counter-commission .. did not see wassat
  20. Hleb
    Hleb 15 February 2014 20: 28
    +1
    _________________________

  21. VAF
    VAF 15 February 2014 19: 51
    +3
    Quote: Gleb
    only Datsyuk I have an unlimited supply of trust


    Gleb, and Bobrovsky belay Here's someone. but for him for sure .. after the first period it was possible to begin to "erect" a monument "in front of the entrance to the Palace"
    BEAUTY !!!!
  22. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 19: 54
    +3
    All the guys bombed!
  23. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 20: 26
    +1
    Sasha! I wanted to ask. A year already, however! Not BM on your avatar, by any chance?
  24. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 20: 37
    +1
    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
    Not BM on your avatar, by any chance?
    No Dim. I’ve laid out a little higher material for you there, look.
  25. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 20: 47
    +2
    Already. But a class machine. We have BMs from Kansk almost every day! Song, green melancholy!
  26. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 20: 52
    +1
    Come on, don’t be sad. Let's break through http://topwar.ru/34057-vlasteliny-neba-mig-31bm-na-aerodrome-kansk-dalniy.html
  27. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 21: 29
    +1
    I remember. Photocores. Our escorted them to Kansk. Then we returned to the helicopter squadron (ibid.) And for a couple of days, they hung on a charge! wassat
  28. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 21: 32
    +1
    Dim hospitality, there is hospitality. The Russian national parachuting team also tried to fly away from us for a week laughing
  29. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 21: 42
    +1
    Like ours now in Omsk. There is something on the parachute there. I pass. It’s pure for myself. They jump the day after tomorrow, and they are in the position of the generator. That is horizontal and with the smell of a burned-out GS-40 winding.
  30. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 21: 43
    +1
    Dim, I call it the smell of morning port
  31. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 22: 05
    +2
    777, or 33? Preferably 777! True, 20 years ago he was better! (Or were we younger?) repeat
  32. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 22: 07
    +1
    777 of course. A couple of years ago I tried that they poured shmurdyak under this brand!
  33. studentmati
    studentmati 15 February 2014 22: 09
    +1
    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
    (Or were we younger?) Feel


    The younger is not to take away! And therefore tastier! Good evening everyone! drinks
  34. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 22: 42
    +1
    Greetings to the winged one, but after the departure, the 777th World War II pilots were given the dream of the future. repeat not complaining! good
  35. studentmati
    studentmati 15 February 2014 22: 45
    +1
    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
    But 777-in the Second World War, the pilots YES after departure were given a dream to come. I took over the experience, feel not complaining! good


    Still to complain, Dmitry relaxes qualitatively, and the body and soul, peace and sleep, like a baby, have been verified, too.
  36. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 23: 08
    0
    That's right! Only today without him, dear. Fourth hour, and I in no one eye! However, burst! fool
  37. Arberes
    Arberes 15 February 2014 19: 56
    +3
    Quote: vaf
    and Bobrovsky Here is someone. but for him for sure .. after the first period it was possible to begin to "erect" a monument "in front of the entrance to the Palace"

    And Ilya Kovalchuk is beautiful! Ovechkin something was not heard!
  38. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 19: 59
    +2
    This is the speech of men, individuals, and we need a team!
  39. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 20: 04
    +4
    Sasha! Once we had CSKA! Here was the Song!
  40. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 20: 07
    +2
    Dim, yes, and now the guys are there, they drive the puck in the yard. Previously, they got into big sports.
  41. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 20: 14
    +2
    Just recently, a friend said, he wanted to arrange a son in the hockey section. He was announced the price tag ........ he scratched his turnip and went home. Cheaper only in formula-1.
  42. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 21: 37
    +1
    Dumb! As if living in different countries! sad
  43. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 21: 40
    0
    Yes Dim, take what you want from life, but pay the real price.
  44. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 21: 51
    +1
    This is wrong. Our children train for free. I honestly don’t know how many sections. Kigboxing, boxing, all kinds of athletics and weightlifting, swimming pools, etc. There are no problems. Plus, there are Creative clubs. Although these circles are actually , can be called theaters. There are dressing rooms and locker rooms and everything that is supposed to be. Ski-please. Go to the skating rink! We have two ski slopes. Pool, 4 of them in the city, covered. Available. And free! What Is something going on with you?
  45. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 21: 55
    0
    I paid Dima to my daughter for the gym, she goes in for fitness, keeping silent about the amount.
  46. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 22: 22
    0
    Sasha, both guys go to me: the eldest in kickboxing, the minor in athletics. Three days a week. Besides, they splash around in the pool! Not a penny! And there are doctors, trainers and psychologists and masseurs. you’re going on. It seems that there is a law on the general availability of sporting events for children. I’m not a lawyer, but I’ll find out from my friend tomorrow. Now we have the night. The third hour.
  47. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 20: 16
    +3
    In our city, with a population of 100000 people, there is a hockey court in almost every yard. And it’s highlighted! It’s very nice to watch the battles of schoolchildren! And by the way, girls of grades 5-8 do not use childish clubs with the same sticks!
  48. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 20: 21
    +1
    Dim is better than scrubbing at the porches and drinking beer!
  49. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 20: 55
    +1
    And most importantly, for free! Even ammunition, by size, is bought by the Adm-tion!
  50. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 20: 56
    0
    So this is the main money, ammunition like gold!
  51. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 22: 27
    0
    Sash! Not cheap. But everything is in shape. It may save the fact that the city is closed. Two main state-owned enterprises: Rosatom and Kosmoprom. ISS OJSC, formerly NPO PM Satellites rivet. Soon Lavochkin will be surpassed. Construction of new buildings at both enterprises is going on at a frantic pace .Our MCC is the leader of the world atomic energy. Here, I will sober up, and with the chief editor of our newspaper (AMF is not near ") I will try to cook up the history of our plant. It is directly related to our site. The first plutonium, three reactors for 1000Mgv in the mountain .Very interesting.
  52. studentmati
    studentmati 15 February 2014 22: 35
    0
    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
    . It may be saved because the city is closed. Two main state enterprises: Rosatom and Cosmoprom.


    Rather, it is precisely because the city is closed. And for the majority of ours, all that you speak of only in memory, today almost everywhere money is first, and then chairs.
  53. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 23: 05
    0
    We have strong enterprises. They seem to be sponsoring. I haven’t gone into details yet. But with billions of state investments, they find money for children's sports! For them it's a penny. And rightly so!
  54. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 16 February 2014 18: 06
    0
    This is sadness. I don’t understand it. Are we not living like that? Russians are the same. sad
  55. VAF
    VAF 15 February 2014 20: 12
    +3
    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
    Sasha! Once we had CSKA! Here was the Song!


    Dim, hi! Right away ... then there was TARASOV soldier Then there was IDEA and IDEOLOGY !!! soldier
    Then there was really NATIONAL PRIDE !!! soldier

    Now we have canteens (small aircraft have always been even better), because. you yourself understand to feed either only 35-40 people of the flight crew or, depending on the type, one squadron, one squad or ... one crew (for sailors ... IL-38) wassat

    In YOUR aviation, the most remarkable dining rooms were in Zyabrovka and in Machuli. good
  56. cosmos111
    cosmos111 15 February 2014 21: 09
    +3
    Quote: vaf
    Then there was IDEA and IDEOLOGY !!!

    and not only >>>> under the USSR, there were THREE, FIVE, from the same clubs ((((
    CSK (Petrov, Kharlamov, Mikhailov), Dynamo (Maltsev, Vasiliev), Spartak (Yakushev) !!!

    and most importantly was a TEAM game in a PAS good !!
    what now, pros ... who play once a year, in the same fives (((
    they are pros, for them the main thing is $$$ >>>> maybe I'm wrong ???
    team play drinks (((
  57. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 21: 14
    +1
    Sergei! hi Et yes! But there was Tikhonov! In the 80s CSKA tore everyone. The Czechs were the most problematic opponent for us then! Even the Tretiak respected them! In the canteens, it’s like the flight technical in the Ministry of Emergencies (Cheremshanka) they feed for slaughter! wassatThe guys are far from dead! In Zyabrovka, I was at one time while the board was being refueled, in Machulah, no. Just a flight. And in Zyabrovka, by the way, they didn’t manage to bite the shish kebab! Komeska lupanul through UAZ to Irkutsk! From where, a day later, they planned to our Krasnoyarsk, now defunct, 140th helicopter guard!
  58. Alex 241
    Alex 241 15 February 2014 21: 21
    +3
    Dim is better than at home anyway they don’t feed anywhere, I'm for home-made grub!
  59. VAF
    VAF 15 February 2014 20: 14
    +3
    Quote: Alex 241
    This is the speech of men, individuals, and we need a team!


    Sasha .. here without words good drinks
    And then I look .. Datsyuk partners still .. don’t understand, even Malkin. which is generally surprising request
    So Datsyuk has to do everything himself recourse
  60. Hleb
    Hleb 15 February 2014 21: 00
    +3
    well, we have the fourth gold. in the skeleton just. In the afternoon, Vitya An won a masterpiece with Grigoryev
  61. VAF
    VAF 15 February 2014 20: 07
    +1
    Quote: Arberes
    And Ilya Kovalchuk is beautiful! Ovechkin something was not heard!


    Hi! drinks But it used to be better ... now it’s become St. Petersburg and .. I’m very angry 9 take an interest in the last month of playing it in the KHL) .. recourse
    I liked Ovechkin ... just the goalkeeper of Amers is the same good .. nothing to say request
  62. Arberes
    Arberes 15 February 2014 21: 00
    +1
    Quote: vaf
    Hi!

    SEREZH-hello Friend! Sorry, they take their emotions, I personally will assume that the Olympics were a success if we take gold in hockey!
    I forgive everything, if only our hockey was! hi drinks
    Well, it seems to have cooled a little.
  • dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 16: 23
    +4
    Sasha! There are no words. According to my T-shkam, a tear has already struck! Thank you very much! Especially for the techies! I hope the SSI will appreciate!
    1. FID
      FID 15 February 2014 16: 36
      +3
      Of course I’ll appreciate this is my job. True, I do not really like the AP-15.
  • dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 16: 43
    +1
    I don’t know the AP-15.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 15 February 2014 16: 45
      +1
      Earrings autopilot on 134?
      1. FID
        FID 15 February 2014 17: 02
        +2
        Tu-95MS and all modifications, Tu-142 and all modifications .. At 134 - BSU ZP
  • dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 17: 17
    +1
    It seems like on the T-shke AP-14 is ..
  • pvv113
    pvv113 15 February 2014 18: 55
    +7
    Quote: 123dv
    Beauties should be dispersed so that they continue to be handsome.
    At 41, they covered everyone in one fell swoop. I think, and now they will not be too original.
    And SERDYUKOV REVERSE ALL AIRCRAFT INTO THE BREAK, TAKEN TO COMBAT LESS TO SPEND ON BOMBING
  • dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 15 February 2014 19: 44
    +1
    Handle-down. Step-gas-sharply. ORE-at 0! AP-in the horizon. Chassis! Rotation! Here, in principle, the Olympics. Nehren was screaming before the opening that they want to tear everyone. Aces.
  • voliador
    voliador 15 February 2014 20: 14
    0
    I wonder how much this upgrade will drag on?
  • Russ69
    Russ69 15 February 2014 21: 08
    0
    Quote: Gleb
    this is a stormozil mattress. the gates were shifted by the goalkeeper. according to the rules they didn’t defend correctly

    First of all, after a goal shift, the game should have been stopped. Why didn’t they do it, and why did I remember the goal, only after the goal?
    Here, the grave mistake of the judges ...
  • Robinson
    Robinson 16 February 2014 01: 31
    0
    We’ll be meaner ... But the game was super hot.