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Does Stryker have a future?

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The US Army wants to purchase a sufficient number of new DVH kits (Double-V Hull - Double V-shaped hull) for wheeled armored vehicles to equip all nine Stryker combat vehicle brigades with them.


True, at the present time, it seems, the money will be enough only to equip DVH with only three brigades.

Stryker light combat vehicles have earned a good reputation in Iraq, and there many foreign experts were interested in this wheeled armored vehicle. But there is little money and, probably, it will still be missed for ten years or even more. So for now, only the old Stryker 600 will be replaced with models from DVH to save specialized production equipment for upgrading the Stryker in the hope that enough money will eventually be allocated. To date, some of the old Stryker have been converted to DVH models to provide a sufficient number of machines in the third DVH brigade.

The DVH design is designed to increase stability against mines (more common in Afghanistan than in Iraq), by adding a V-shaped bottom. This solution is one of the key elements of MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected — mines and ambush protection machines), but DVH is cheaper to operate and better suited for a wider range of tasks.

Some of the DVH prototypes drove through the mines and land mines during the tests (with the help of a remote control). These tests showed that the V-shaped hull made the machine much safer. The development of a new design cost about $ 58 million. Currently, 762 units of DVH Stryker are in operation, and the last of them are delivered in 2013 year. DVH models will cost about $ 2,1 million per car. They acquired their first combat experience in 2011. They showed themselves as expected.

The army initially purchased enough DVH models to equip two Stryker brigades. Each brigade of Stryker is armed with 332 machines. There are ten different models of the Stryker, but mostly they are made in the form of an armored personnel carrier. The initial cost of Stryker was about a million dollars for each, plus the cost of weapons and additional equipment. This version is 6,95 meters long, 2,72 meters high, and 2,64 meters wide. With a mass of 17 tons, the car has a maximum speed of 100 kilometers per hour, as well as a power reserve (on a paved road) 500 kilometers. Stryker has a crew of two, a turret with a remote-controlled machine gun caliber 12,7 mm, and can carry nine infantrymen. An 7,62-mm machine gun is also used, and often a second machine gun of the caliber 12,7mm is installed.

The Army plans to use a V-shaped hull in the design of the new Stryker 2.0, while the DVH model is unofficially called the Stryker 1.5. The Stryker 2.0 will weigh about a ton more than current models and will have a more powerful engine (450 horsepower versus current 350), plus the suspension system and other mechanical components will be upgraded to make the machine weight up to 27 tons, there will be increased tires , improved brakes and improved sensors (so that the soldiers inside the vehicle will have a better understanding of what is happening outside). These are the main changes, in addition to which there will be a few more minor improvements (improved air conditioning, sniper detector, increased on-board electricity generation, and so on). Outside, the appearance will not change, except for the appearance of a V-shaped body.

Stryker 2.0 provides for weight gain (more armor and equipment), and the machine will also become more maneuverable and reliable. The changes are based on receiving feedback from users and are considered an upgrade project, that is, strictly speaking, they are not a new version of Stryker. Most of the Stryker 3300 units, which are now in the US Army, have been in combat, and those that were in Afghanistan were the first to be upgraded.

Meanwhile, manufacturers Stryker DVH created a model that works on tracks (like a tank or a bulldozer). This demonstration model was presented at trade shows as a replacement for thousands of M113 armored personnel carriers that are being decommissioned in the United States and many other countries. Tracked Stryker had one obvious drawback - it is larger and much heavier (on 32 tons). But the tracked model will solve one problem of the Stryker (as well as any other wheeled armored vehicle) - limiting mobility in difficult or rough terrain. On roads or flat terrain wheels exceed the tracks. So far, the tracked version has not attracted enough interest to justify the costs of moving from a technology demonstrator to a production model. The big problem is the need to secure any sales at a time when the US defense budget is facing serious cuts over the next decade. The only way out is the prospect of overseas sales. Stryker has gained a good reputation in Iraq among the oil-rich Arab countries of the Persian Gulf, which are the main buyers. weapons these days. But to pay for the improvement and modernization of the Stryker you need to pay a lot of money, and no significant foreign customer has yet been found.
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  1. ICT
    ICT 8 February 2014 08: 30
    +2
    I already asked if they really often come across wire braces. that there is a need for hooks for cutting them (does anyone know)
    1. AGM-114
      AGM-114 8 February 2014 08: 57
      -1
      Afghan bumahideen monkeys use all the antediluvian mammoths with mechanical fuses. In Iraq, the monkeys were technically advanced and used contactless fuses, up to infrared.
  2. Old scoop
    Old scoop 8 February 2014 09: 37
    +4
    One article said that Stryker was too heavy for his transmission and engine, hence the problem.
    Here is another interesting material http://sa100.ru/armor/stryker/Stryker5.php
  3. avt
    avt 8 February 2014 10: 42
    +5
    Quote: Old scoop
    that Stryker is too heavy for his drivetrain and engine, hence the problem.

    request Naturally, but you will not prove to fans of the "super" BTR of the last century from Switzerland, brought up by enthusiastic Discovery, that the car is outdated just like our BTR-80. Therefore, for them our modernization 80/82 will be a complete crap, but amerskie attempts to exactly the same and practically with the same result - the height of technical thought. Although in both cases there is simply a calculated approach to the available equipment in terms of modernization, the truth is different. Americans now strive to dig deeper into the car, hiding behind increasingly heavy armor for which the chassis is absolutely not designed.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 8 February 2014 13: 13
      +3
      Quote: avt
      Quote: Old scoop
      that Stryker is too heavy for his drivetrain and engine, hence the problem.

      request Naturally, but you will not prove to fans of the "super" BTR of the last century from Switzerland, brought up by enthusiastic Discovery, that the car is outdated just like our BTR-80. Therefore, for them our modernization 80/82 will be a complete crap, but amerskie attempts to exactly the same and practically with the same result - the height of technical thought. Although in both cases there is simply a calculated approach to the available equipment in terms of modernization, the truth is different. Americans now strive to dig deeper into the car, hiding behind increasingly heavy armor for which the chassis is absolutely not designed.


      Remembering the statement of the warrior who fought on them (this is where the commander of the warrior who fought on them said that for several years there had not been a single case of the death of strikers), the users are satisfied. And this seems to be the main criterion.
      1. avt
        avt 8 February 2014 14: 26
        +2
        Quote: cdrt
        (this is where the commander of the brigade who fought on them said that for several years there was not a single case of death of strikers)
        Yes, what would be on the "Discovery" one of them said something else !? laughing
        request
        Quote: vomag
        Ha ha ha yes the strikers burned shit * a new bunch of them were blown up along the roads of Afghanistan and Iraq, almost a "million" but the uncles "who fought" again on the discovery zvizdat what kind of cool it is how they are all ok and super gut and like everyone

        Well, the photos with the collapsed chassis in Iraq are definitely full.
        Quote: EvilLion
        the "striker" project is a stupid drink,

        A good mine with a bad game. If everything was so wonderful, there would not have been thousands of MRAPs, just inappropriately about the fact that the strikers fulfilled their task and needed other machines for “specific” tasks. The task as it was and remains - the delivery of soldiers in the high-risk zone, and everything else is an artistic whistle so that no one will pay attention to the real shortcomings of the machine.
  4. vomag
    vomag 8 February 2014 14: 06
    +3
    Ha ha ha yes the strikers burned a shit * new bunch of them were blown up along the roads of Afghanistan and Iraq, almost a "million" but the uncles "who fought" again on the discovery zvizdat what kind of cool it is how they all are ok and super gut and like everyone else (of course democratic countries or so want to acquire this miracle weapon) ..
  5. EvilLion
    EvilLion 8 February 2014 14: 07
    +3
    It is enough to compare it with the BTR-82A, and it will become clear that no matter how you saturate the BTR-60 with computers, it will still remain the BTR-60. But the anti-splinter lining and the stabilized 30 mm cannon are really big improvements. By itself, the development of a "striker" in the presence of tens of thousands of super-successful M113A3s in warehouses is meaningless, just as "striker" brigades that do not have tanks, air defense, or heavy are meaningless. artillery. Even against the Papuans, a tank and a 150+ mm howitzer are not superfluous. That is, the "striker" project was a stupid drink, and unlike the strange F-35, there was no real need for it, at worst, the Americans could just buy a couple of thousand "piranhas", which, unlike the "striker" in the world is very popular.
    1. kplayer
      kplayer 8 February 2014 20: 24
      +2
      The BTR-90 had better protection (it is enough to compare the combat weight of 21,5 tons and 14,5 tons) and a more powerful weapon system: a 30A 2A42 gun, an AG-17 automatic grenade launcher (in the separate module) and an anti-tank missile system. On the BTR-80 / -82A, the 2A72 cannon automatics with a long barrel travel has a lower firing accuracy than the 2A42 cannon with a gas exhaust system and a fixed barrel, therefore, on the BMP-3, in order to increase the firing accuracy of the 2A72 cannon, its muzzle was attached using a movable coupling to the barrel of a 100 mm gun.
      If for someone equipping the army with "sludge" such as T-72B3 and BTR-82A is acceptable, for me it is not!

      The preference was given to a wheeled (8x8) APC, rather than a tracked M113A3, due to higher speed characteristics, for quick infantry transfer, a slightly larger range (fuel and lubricant autonomy) and less noise in movement as a reconnaissance and patrol vehicle, which important in unfamiliar areas.

      The main drawback of the stryker brigades is the lack of MBT (due to the specificity of the formation's air transportability *), all the rest of the standard artillery weapons of the ground forces are located: 155-mm light towed howitzers M777 (A2, 18 units), 120-mm self-propelled mortars (36 units) and 105-mm cannons of M1128 fire support vehicles (8x8, 27 units). Complexes MANPADS "stinger" are partially included in the supply of units of the stryker brigade, and since brigades operate with the direct support of tactical aviation (F-16 / A-10), both during deployment and during military operations, therefore it does not have specialized anti-aircraft units, but if necessary, they can be attached to the brigade for reinforcement, along with tank units.

      "striker", LAV / ASLAV, "kayote", "kodiak", "bison" - these are all piranha clones (8x8) of various modifications.

      * The main transport aircraft should be considered the S-17, and not previously planned, as the main S-130.
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    3. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 9 February 2014 16: 02
      +3
      It is enough to compare with the BTR-82A, as it will become clear that no matter how you saturate the BTR-60 computers, it will still remain the BTR-60.

      Dear, you do not notice the difference between the BTR-60, BTR-70 and BTR-80? Maybe you have rich experience of service on these samples? And can you responsibly and authoritatively tell all the pros and cons based on practical experience?
      If yes, then let's discuss.
      In the meantime, my opinion is that you estimated the difference between the BTR-60 and BTR-82A on the basis of speculative conclusions. hi
  6. nezloy
    nezloy 8 February 2014 17: 16
    +4
    The first serious war and all this wheeled war will burn like Chinese fireworks. I tried to imagine how they would crawl under fire in these worthless boxes on our potato fields, or on dirt roads swollen after heavy rain. Or after normal snowfall and frost at 30-35 degrees.
  7. max90.90
    max90.90 8 February 2014 18: 16
    +1
    Quote: EvilLion
    at worst, the Americans could just buy a couple of thousand "piranhas", which, unlike the "striker", are very popular in the world.

    Striker is the modernization of Piranha, only the difference between them is quite serious
    BTR Piranha 8x8. Mass is 12 tons. The standard armament is the 25 mm M242 Bushmaster automatic cannon and the 7,62 mm machine gun mounted in an armored double circular turret. 6V53T turbocharged diesel engine rated at 275 hp
    Stryker- developed on the basis of the Swiss Piranha 3 Mass-18 tons. The armament is mounted on a remotely controlled installation on top of the hull and can include a 12,7 mm M2 machine gun Browning 2000 rounds of ammunition, 7,62 mm M240 machine gun 4500 rounds, 40 mm Mk19 448 automatic grenade launcher. Six smoke grenade launchers are placed. Engine - diesel 3126 with a capacity of 350 l. with.
    So, there is a similarity, but very relative, in fact, the Americans got a new car, with a new engine, weapons, enhanced armor.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 9 February 2014 11: 34
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      Quote: max90.90
      So, there are similarities, but very relative, in fact, the Americans got a new car

      The BTR Straiker upgraded is already a completely different machine.
      Than the original prototype of Piranha-3.
      The main distinguishing feature of the new machine is a double V-shaped body.
      ..... USA for the year 2013, had 9 teams, and 2 equipped with new machines, in the amount of 337 units.
  8. moskal68
    moskal68 8 February 2014 20: 46
    +1
    I'm afraid to seem like a sucker, but is it Stryker in the picture? Not Love 25?
    1. kplayer
      kplayer 8 February 2014 22: 19
      +2
      BTR Piranha-3 (LAV III) with a Delco Systems turret (25-mm gun M242 Bushmaster), similar to the turret of the LAV-25.
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  9. homosum20
    homosum20 8 February 2014 20: 50
    +3
    There is a desert in Iraq. Let equip. I will see what will happen in the swamps of Belarus.
  10. kplayer
    kplayer 9 February 2014 00: 14
    +3
    Quote: nezloy
    The first serious war and all this wheeled war will burn like Chinese fireworks. I tried to imagine how they would crawl under fire in these worthless boxes on our potato fields, or on dirt roads swollen after heavy rain. Or after normal snowfall and frost at 30-35 degrees.


    Quote: homosum20
    There is a desert in Iraq. Let equip. I will see what will happen in the swamps of Belarus.


    According to the doctrine, this equipment and weapons (by the way, the striker armored personnel carriers themselves are noticeable), as well as the formations themselves for conflicts of "low" and "medium" intensity, to make it clearer, for "third world countries", or do you think that Russia and Is Belarus capable of providing such a sluggish resistance? What are these dreams of foreign military intervention anyway? (rubbish the topic of any infantile he-rny!).
  11. bublic82009
    bublic82009 9 February 2014 00: 30
    +2
    Stryker machine for the US Expeditionary Force. it is intended primarily for war with partisans. no need to compare it with full-fledged combat vehicles. his patency is low.
  12. moskal68
    moskal68 9 February 2014 02: 28
    +4
    And the partisans, apparently, as planned by engineers, live and fight in a well-groomed area with asphalt and lawns?
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 9 February 2014 12: 08
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      Quote: 68
      partisans, apparently, as planned by engineers, live and fight in a well-groomed area with asphalt and lawns?

      In a war, it is rare when the area remains well-groomed, with flowers and flower beds.
      And the asphalt is >>>> Baghdad, Fallujah, Grozny, Homs, the suburbs of Damascus and >>>>.
      These are the realities of today's asymmetrical wars.
      <<<< Whoever prepares for yesterday's war will surely suffer defeat <<<<<<.
    2. kplayer
      kplayer 9 February 2014 15: 35
      +2
      Passability is naturally lower than that of similar tracked vehicles, but not as much!

      And the Finnish 8x8 Patria AMV (Rosomak, Poland) will be even better.
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  13. Makyr
    Makyr 9 February 2014 08: 03
    +1
    A striker is nothing more than an armored bus to frighten the Papuans outside the combat zone with an organized enemy.
    Its shortcomings are well known - huge dimensions, low maneuverability, disgusting maneuverability, weak weapons, huge cost, low coefficient. combat effectiveness, high vulnerability to individual and group anti-tank weapons. The advantages are also known - mine resistance, comfortable living conditions.
    The result - a bus for delivering infantry to the battlefield.
    1. AGM-114
      AGM-114 9 February 2014 08: 21
      +2
      Quote: Macyr
      The result - a bus for delivering infantry to the battlefield.

      Those BTR. It is not intended for other tasks, only transportation of meat and a machine gun for self-defense. BMP another opera and wheeled BMP is the wildest idiocy without tasks, which in a real war will rot in a matter of seconds.
  14. Makyr
    Makyr 9 February 2014 09: 26
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    Quote: AGM-114
    Quote: Macyr
    The result - a bus for delivering infantry to the battlefield.

    Those BTR. It is not intended for other tasks, only transportation of meat and a machine gun for self-defense. BMP another opera and wheeled BMP is the wildest idiocy without tasks, which in a real war will rot in a matter of seconds.
    Sorry, the function of the armored personnel carrier is not only the delivery of infantry, but also its support in battle, the cover of heavy weapons with fire.
    The STRIKER concept is the use in conflicts of low intensity, i.e. against partisan detachments and in the protection of the rear of groups, and in favorable weather conditions.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 9 February 2014 11: 47
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      Quote: Macyr

      The STRIKER concept is the use in conflicts of low intensity, i.e. against partisan detachments and in the protection of the rear of groups, haircut

      The concept of the "Stryker" >>>>> the use of various types of weapons on one wheeled platform for fire support of the "Stryker" armored personnel carrier.
      To the BTR-82, to the 30 mm cannon, it didn’t hurt >>>> to add a 120 mm NONA gun, a Bakhchya turret, a double V-shaped bottom >>>>>. As a result, a multifunctional wheeled armored platform that solves many problems ( ((((((not only booked taxi (((((
    2. AGM-114
      AGM-114 9 February 2014 16: 59
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      From the whole family of strikers for conflicts of low intensity, horseradish with a cannon called the M1128 Mobile Gun System was sawn and here it is really a file. The basic Stryker itself and the crafts on its basis (KShM, RKhBZ machine, sanitary, BRM, self-propelled mortar, self-propelled anti-tank system) are quite suitable.
  15. nezloy
    nezloy 9 February 2014 11: 45
    +1
    Before World War II, there was also a fascination with light and very light armored vehicles. As soon as it came to a good fight, all this wheeled garbage burned out in a matter of months. Regardless of weather, climate, temperature and the presence of asphalt: garbage, it is garbage. Begin a little more serious war and no one will hide the striker of the brigade in the closet. Here, right with their regular tins, they will go to the front line. Where their fate is quite predictable.
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    3. kplayer
      kplayer 9 February 2014 18: 07
      +1
      The warehouses are full of MBT "Abrams" and BMP "Bradley".
      Apparently BMP-2 and BTR-80 have much more serious protection? what you see at exhibitions is for the most part in service with the RA.
      In the frontal wars of the last century, there were secondary directions and tasks for protecting the rear area.
      Children's illusion that in the event of a serious war, an exchange of nuclear strikes will be avoided and an honest "war" will take place
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  16. Makyr
    Makyr 9 February 2014 12: 32
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    Quote: cosmos111

    To the BTR-82, to the 30 mm cannon, it didn’t hurt >>>> to add a 120 mm NONA gun, a Bakhchya turret, a double V-shaped bottom >>>>>. As a result, a multifunctional wheeled armored platform that solves many problems ( ((((((not only booked taxi (((((
    As the saying goes, "If grandma was attached ... she would be a grandfather!"
    Do you understand what a STRIKER is for an uninteresting kind of warfare?
    In addition to what you have described for a long time, it shoots, travels, and even is in service with the RA, and it has a completely different orientation, different from STRIKER: VIENNA, SPRUT, BMP-3, BTR-82.
    In addition, a 105 mm gun has only one company in the STRIKER brigade, the rest with 12.7mm farts (as far as I remember).
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 9 February 2014 13: 28
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      Quote: Macyr
      I "If grandma was attached ... she would be a grandfather!"

      >>>> Whoever is lucky, the rooster will blow away >>>>> fellow
      Quote: Macyr
      Do you understand what a STRIKER is for an uninteresting kind of warfare?

      You ((((for asymmetric warfare, to be exact.
      Quote: Macyr
      t STRIKER: VIENNA, SPRUT, BMP-3, BTR-82.

      How many cars are listed ((((all weapons can be placed on one platform (((((
      main group ==== all of them are lightly armored armored vehicles.
      Quote: Macyr
      In addition, a 105 mm gun has only one company in the STRIKERO brigade

      Each of the three infantry battalions PBBG is armed with 65 Stryker armored personnel carriers in different versions.
      The headquarters company consists of a reconnaissance platoon, a mortar platoon with four M1129 Stryker self-propelled mortars with 120-mm and 81-mm mortar guns, and a sniper squad armed with an M24 sniper rifle.
  17. max90.90
    max90.90 9 February 2014 14: 35
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    Quote: Macyr
    Sorry, the function of the armored personnel carrier is not only the delivery of infantry, but also its support in battle, the cover of heavy weapons with fire.

    everything is correct but, in principle, the armored personnel carrier is intended as a means of delivery to the battlefield of infantry, but BMP and delivery and support by fire
  18. Makyr
    Makyr 9 February 2014 16: 11
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    Quote: cosmos111

    Each of the three infantry battalions PBBG is armed with 65 Stryker armored personnel carriers in different versions.
    The headquarters company consists of a reconnaissance platoon, a mortar platoon with four M1129 Stryker self-propelled mortars with 120-mm and 81-mm mortar guns, and a sniper squad armed with an M24 sniper rifle.
    You obviously do not understand)))
    Well, STRIKERS cannot fight regular troops, they cannot. There is no cross-country ability to maneuver, hardly concealed, slightly armed. Not for this they, but for counter-guerrilla activities. Therefore, they were brought into Iraq only AFTER the end of the phase of direct military operations with the Iraqi army. And even then - look at what they turned into to enhance survivability: casing of the hull, sandbags on top.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 9 February 2014 17: 35
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      Quote: Macyr
      Well, STRIKERS cannot fight regular troops, they cannot.

      “In a madhouse, everyone could say whatever came into his head, as if in parliament.” “Jaroslav Hasek <<<< The adventures of the gallant soldier Švejk >>>>. soldier

      A. >>> All armored personnel carriers, with a wheel arrangement of 8x8 and a sealed body, floating with filtration units. Created all over the world, for global war, including the prototype of the RTR "Stryker", the Piranha-3 armored personnel carrier.
      В. >>>> А modernized (((("Stryker" 2, for conducting local asymmetric war.
      1. Makyr
        Makyr 9 February 2014 18: 26
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        It's hard with you ...
        STRIKER costs 2,7-3,5 million. It has low tactical characteristics. A typical budget cut when creating a machine that needs to be replaced in 20 years.
        Put him on the attack.
        1. AGM-114
          AGM-114 9 February 2014 20: 36
          +1
          Cut - BTR-82A (and AM there too). An autocannon with a stabilizer on a wheeled cart is okay, but not on a BTR-80 cart. For all the wretchedness of the construction structure (MTO at the back, an exit on the sides), this is the wildest idiocy that will definitely rot in the first 2 minutes of the conflict.
        2. kplayer
          kplayer 9 February 2014 20: 43
          +2
          Only tanks go on the attack, and BMP / BTR (a march with deployed battle formations) are already following them.

          In battle, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, in order not to get a shot from an RPG, follow the infantry (at a distance of up to 400m.) In readiness to move forward and provide support and cover, the emphasis in suppressing firing points on rough terrain is made (except for the standard 40-mm automatic grenade launchers Mk. 19 and large-caliber М2НВ) for mortar support, and in urban development, in addition, for 105-mm cannons of fire support vehicles, when meeting with single enemy armored objects, the units are saturated with Javelin ATGM (2,5 km).

          A striker brigade can fight the enemy's regular army; it is another matter if it is an army of some "banana republic" with a predominance of mountainous and wooded terrain (jungle), and it is quite another matter if the enemy's army is saturated with armored vehicles and artillery, albeit not the first freshness. Only go-ots, in the presence of formations with greater fire and striking power, will use weaker formations, especially on flat terrain.

          According to the doctrine, this equipment and weapons (by the way, the striker armored personnel carriers themselves are noticeable), as well as the formations themselves for conflicts of "low" and "medium" intensity, to make it clearer, for "third world countries" ...
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  19. The fat man
    The fat man 9 February 2014 18: 35
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    Quote: AGM-114
    Afghan bumahideen monkeys use all the antediluvian mammoths with mechanical fuses. In Iraq, the monkeys were technically advanced and used contactless fuses, up to infrared.

    These monkeys beat many teeth
    hats don't rush winter continues yet
  20. kplayer
    kplayer 10 February 2014 02: 20
    +1
    Quote: AGM-114
    From the whole family of strikers for conflicts of low intensity, horseradish with a cannon called the M1128 Mobile Gun System was sawn and here it is really a file. The basic Stryker itself and the crafts on its basis (KShM, RKhBZ machine, sanitary, BRM, self-propelled mortar, self-propelled anti-tank system) are quite suitable.


    Better with a 105 mm gun than without it. Infantry in the city and in the absence of a tank behind, what to do without an assault gun?
  21. kplayer
    kplayer 10 February 2014 02: 26
    +2
    Why did the South African army so successfully chased the Papuans armed with Kalashnikov and RPG-7 rifle systems in Angola and Namibia on wheeled (8x8) Ruikat and Ratel (by the way, with side doors for the landing), as well as the French to this day in Africa do without MBT "Leclerc" and even AMX-10RC (6x6), preferring to use light wheeled VBL and armored personnel carriers VAB, and VBCI (8x8) only for the sake of "running in", but because it is cheaper! "a lot of honor" to drive the Papuans with combat systems created for a real war. Until now, South Africa does not bother with the creation of heavy MBT and tracked infantry fighting vehicles.

    Quote: AGM-114
    Cut - BTR-82A (and AM there too). An autocannon with a stabilizer on a wheeled cart is okay, but not on a BTR-80 cart. For all the wretchedness of the construction structure (MTO at the back, an exit on the sides), this is the wildest idiocy that will definitely rot in the first 2 minutes of the conflict.


    What is the "terrifying" disadvantage of the side landing doors of the Russian armored personnel carriers and what is the advantage of the stern ramps? (then the aft double doors are better), because the vehicle can be turned around and the landing party can be deployed from the safer side, in addition, the lateral projection of the vehicle is wider than the front (when disembarking from the stern), i.e. gives more protection to the compartment. Whatever one may say, in the conditions of urban battles, where the front line is in principle absent and in the presence of multi-storey buildings, dismounting for the landing force can in any case be dangerous.
    In short, this so-called drawback is "sucked from the finger"!
  22. Makyr
    Makyr 10 February 2014 17: 44
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    Quote: kplayer
    Only tanks go on the attack, and BMP / BTR (a march with deployed battle formations) are already following them.

    In battle, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, in order not to get a shot from an RPG, follow behind the infantry (at a distance of up to 400 m.)
    You first read the Field Charter of the US Army No. 100-5, then write.
    Quote: AGM-114
    Cut - BTR-82A (and AM there too). An autocannon with a stabilizer on a wheeled cart is okay, but not on a BTR-80 cart. For all the wretchedness of the construction structure (MTO at the back, an exit on the sides), this is the wildest idiocy that will definitely rot in the first 2 minutes of the conflict.
    About the greatest idiocy - name at least one wheeled armored personnel carrier app. armies that have an MTO front and can sail independently. What else is not clear?
    What do you dislike about the BTR-82 transmission? It is modernized based on new conditions.
    In addition, the BTR-80 is transformed into the BTR-82 through overhaul, because this is a palliative temporary solution until the release of the Boomerang BTR.
    1. AGM-114
      AGM-114 10 February 2014 20: 11
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      Quote: Macyr
      name at least one wheeled armored personnel carrier app. armies that have a front-mounted MTO and can sail independently

      Yes please. Offhand: Piranha her descendants of the type LAV-25 / ASLAV, Patria AMV, Pandur II.
    2. kplayer
      kplayer 10 February 2014 20: 26
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      Quote: Macyr
      You first read the Field Charter of the US Army No. 100-5, then write.

      What is the opposite !? Armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles are now operating not at a distance, but in isolation from the infantry?
      Alone and in isolation, under certain conditions, only tanks work (together with BMP / BRM for granted and not even discussed).
      BMP / BTR operate in combat, in defense and offensive only jointly and in the interests of the infantry (counterattacks and tactical tactical maneuvers with access to the flank and rear — not counting), never independently.
      MBT more independent combat unit, unlike armored personnel carriers, do not agree with something?
      1. Alex 1977
        Alex 1977 April 6 2014 10: 00
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        There is a wonderful thing that Western strategists apparently are not familiar with.
        It is called BUSV 2002.
        Here is an excerpt from there.
        003. Combined arms battle is conducted by the combined efforts of all participating
        units with tanks, infantry fighting vehicles
        (armored personnel carriers), artillery, air defense systems,
        airplanes, helicopters, other weapons and military equipment. is he
        characterized by determination, tension, transience and
        dynamism of actions, their ground-air character, simultaneous
        powerful fire at great depths, using a variety of
        ways to perform combat missions and a quick transition from some types
        tactical actions to others.

        I’ll say from myself that not being a great specialist, but even for me it looks more believable than creating and using a universal chassis for all occasions. In fact, this is equivalent to removing all equipment from the state of motorized rifle brigades, surrounding the BTR-80 and fire support vehicles at its base.
        I think that the term betrayal will be the smallest than the apologists of Stryker will reward the authors of this idea. But in the case of the United States, this is a breakthrough decision ... Strange, right?
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  23. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 10 February 2014 20: 25
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    In low-intensity wars, any armored vehicles are good, less or more.
    In a global war, perhaps our concept of using armored personnel carriers is more real.