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The latest developments of the Belarusian military industrial complex - not for mass sale

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The latest developments of the Belarusian military industrial complex - not for mass saleIn recent years, the Belarusian military industrial complex has been increasingly aggressively (albeit with varying success so far) promoting its latest developments in the field of anti-tank weapons to the international market.


With good reason, they include the third generation Hornet anti-tank missile system (ATGW). Being a further development of the Belarusian-Ukrainian anti-tank complex "Skif", "Hornet" through the use of original technical solutions surpasses it in a number of important parameters.

Thus, the use of the 2 mm caliber, along with the PK-130 rocket, of the more powerful 2 mm B-152M caliber (both developed by the Kiev State Design Bureau “Luch” and produced by the Kiev factory Artem) allows the Hershen’s ATGM, at a distance of 5000 m guaranteed to hit all modern armored targets, regardless of the point of impact (projection). The armor penetration of a tandem cumulative warhead for dynamic protection at an 60 meeting angle is: a rocket of the 130 caliber mm — no less than 800 mm; a rocket of the 152 mm caliber — no less than 1100 mm.
The Hornet ATGM can be used not only to destroy armored vehicles, but also (due to the presence of ammunition with high-explosive and thermobaric combat units) for the destruction of buried protected objects (such as bunker, dota, bunker) and low-flying low-speed targets (helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles devices). And the use of an elongated P-2В rocket (in the Hornet-Q version) increases the maximum firing range to 7500 m, which significantly increases the chances of successfully fighting surface targets during coastal defense.



High accuracy of destruction of all types of targets is ensured by the use of a noise-free laser guidance system, which is implemented in a PN-S guidance device developed and manufactured by Minsk Peleng OJSC.

This device has a television and thermal imaging channels with wide and narrow fields of view. The first mode is used to search for the target, and the second - to capture it. In addition to the PN-S guidance instrument, a thermal imaging camera can be installed, which allows the detection and identification of targets at a longer range in adverse weather conditions.

To date, PN-S is the only ATGM guidance device with an integrated laser rangefinder, which ensures fast and accurate targeting. In addition, PN-S can be used as an independent means of reconnaissance and target designation (measurement of distances up to 9 km is provided with an accuracy of 5 m).

The device can also be used to control anti-tank missiles induced by the laser beam and fired not only from the launch container, but also from an artillery gun or tank guns. This allows the device to be used to direct other missiles developed by the Luch design bureau, including 100-, 105-, 115-, 120- and 125-mm ammunition.

After the launch of the rocket, the operator’s task is to control the flight path and, if necessary, correct the aiming point with a joystick on the remote control.



Thus, although the Hornet’s ATGM system actually implements the principle of “fired and forgotten,” there is also the possibility of retargeting the missile to a more important or dangerous target.

An important feature of this anti-tank missile system is the ability to direct a missile at a target from closed positions and from shelters, which significantly reduces the risk of the operator being hit with an enemy response fire and significantly reduces the psychophysical effect on him.

The remote control panel can be moved to a distance of 100 m from the launcher using a wired communication channel and to 300 m with a wireless control. Today, the wireless remote control function is implemented only in the Hornet ATGM.

And with one remote control, you can control several launchers and / or combat modules (up to four). The possibility of the operation of the complex (several complexes) as part of a unified management system with automation of the process of exploration, target designation and target distribution is also provided for.

To date, we can talk about four versions of the Hornet ATGM.

The basic version consists of a universal combat module installed on a tripod, a transport and launch container with one missile, a PN-C guidance device and a remote control. The deployment time of the complex by combat crew of two people does not exceed two minutes.

"Hornet-L" is a lightweight version for shooting from shoulder to a distance of no more than 2,5 km.

"Hornet-D" - modification with two fire channels, can be installed on the vehicle.

The Hornet-Q is a modification with four fire channels and an automatic lift (or without it). Installed as a combat module on the vehicle.

We add that, despite the indisputable advantages of the Hornet ATGM over similar developments, information in open sources about the massive sales of this weapons not yet published.
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 3 February 2014 07: 50
    +7
    I’m glad for the Belarus brothers, but to be honest, this is just cosmetics, I need to change the type of device to the next generation, so I'm really looking forward to when we get something like Javelin, but with an uncooled GOS ...
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 3 February 2014 08: 58
      +4
      Also glad! Well done Belarusians! Let them do and raise their military-industrial complex! good
    2. badger1974
      badger1974 3 February 2014 10: 06
      +9
      how do you imagine the IR seeker should not cool down? then it will be guided in all the "white light" like a pretty penny, Shershn, just like others working on the principle of lidar illumination, has an IR seeker, another thing is constant illumination (even if automatic) is semi-automatic or target designation (after which you can move on to another target) -automatic, what exactly the hornet is able to do in the article, as the emphasis is not made, although it can be assumed that the channel of the complex implies the binding of the complex to the rocket. that is, there cannot be any "shot and forgot" principle, this is a semi-automatic
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 4 February 2014 08: 22
        0
        Like this:
        "Military Parity." The AMRDEC Research Center team with its partners from Dynetics and Torch Technologies Inc. conducted work to reduce costs, improve existing and future weapon systems, reports theredstonerocket.com on June 19. The essence of the innovation is the development of an infrared homing head (IR seeker) without a cooling system for guided missiles using the principle of "shot-and-forget."
        http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/5947/
        1. badger1974
          badger1974 4 February 2014 11: 45
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          the authors are cunning, the principle of noncooling is a NVD, that is, based on an electronic multiplier, and not the IR radiation of the object itself, another thing is that a good "electronic brain" was added to this NVD for processing 3D images and identifying a target by geometric parameters, such a symbiosis is really cheap than cooled matrix, but there are more disadvantages than advantages, remember at least the night shots of Soviet tanks by "panthers" on Lake Balaton, and how this case was liquidated by searchlights, by the way Israel practices something similar, I heard, I don't know if there are any successes
    3. postman
      postman 3 February 2014 12: 35
      +3
      Quote: mirag2
      but with an uncooled seeker ...


      ??

      IR GOS complex "Javelin" (as well as Trigat-LR (ATGW-3 / LR), NT-G, NT-S, NT-D) requires preliminary inclusion of cooling.
      yes, yes, the entire mosaic matrix of 64x64 sensitive elements
  2. Nayhas
    Nayhas 3 February 2014 09: 22
    +5
    Thus, although the Shershen ATGM system actually implements the "fire and forget" principle

    And since when does laser illumination follow the "fire and forget" principle? If the operator forgets where he was shooting and why he won't get anywhere ...
  3. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 3 February 2014 10: 13
    +4
    The article started well, and overall I liked it ... until I came across it No. :

    ... the indisputable advantages of the Shershen ATGM over similar designs ...

    Forgot to add "has no analogues in the world" и "uryaya" negative .
  4. ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 3 February 2014 10: 15
    +2
    I am happy for our Belarusian friends who have shown themselves to be a reliable ally and supplier of the latest weapons for the Azerbaijani army.
  5. shurup
    shurup 3 February 2014 10: 24
    +5
    The Russian transporter asks for this symbiosis of Ukrainian muscles and Belarusian brains.
    A control machine with several self-propelled tele-controlled ATGMs integrated into the general ACS, with a detection of 9000 and a defeat of 5000, will be an unpleasant gift for a potential enemy. The possibilities of autonomous use let them remain.
    By the way, a wired remote control up to 100 m. Without shelter is not enough. I would like to hear about the light guide line up to 300 m.
  6. badger1974
    badger1974 3 February 2014 10: 36
    +5
    in general, the idea is not new, but in the environment of semi-automatic machines it is well developed, created in contrast to the Cornet, you can safely go to the arms market, however, the article indicates the Ukrainian representation in development, cooperation with the KB of the Kiev Arsenal plant would be more sophisticated than with Ray, Arsenal has excellent progress in the development of the IC seeker homing, it would be possible to achieve the true principle of "fire and forget" in the ATGM
    1. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 4 February 2014 22: 12
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      I do not agree with you for the simple reason that the Arsenal Central Design Bureau deals exclusively with air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles.





      But "Luch" deals with high-precision weapons specifically in relation to armored vehicles and artillery. There is also Electron Lvovsky, but they are also engaged in the seeker for air-to-air missiles.
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 4 February 2014 23: 39
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        here the topic of counterposing to the American Javelin, supposedly the third-generation ATGM, is supposedly interested in the IR GOS system, are interested in creating an IR GOS with a target capture angle of 55 degrees and resetting contrasts against the background of the earth, that is, there is practically no height limit, namely in Arsenal Design Bureau, and nor like in the Ray, it is precisely such a GOS that is needed to oppose Jov, to dispute in vain, if you are aware, then do not tell me how much such an IR GOS costs
  7. Professor
    Professor 3 February 2014 10: 50
    +5
    After the launch of the rocket, the operator’s task is to control the flight path and, if necessary, correct the aiming point with a joystick on the remote control.

    Well, where is the third generation here?

    Thus, although the Hornet’s ATGM system actually implements the principle of “fired and forgotten,” there is also the possibility of retargeting the missile to a more important or dangerous target.

    I liked the word "actually" very much. Here either "shoot-forget" or everything else. laughing
    1. postman
      postman 3 February 2014 12: 37
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      Quote: Professor
      Well, where is the third generation here?

      reply to "Primary Source" http://news.tut.by/society/384955.html
      ... and not write that
      1. Professor
        Professor 3 February 2014 14: 56
        -2
        Quote: Postman
        reply to "Primary Source" http://news.tut.by/society/384955.html
        ... and not write that

        Duc there seems to be the same article one to one ... laughing
      2. badger1974
        badger1974 3 February 2014 19: 00
        +3
        and you can indicate what is the third generation ATGM? what exactly are the parameters for what would they be? What is your opinion
        1. Professor
          Professor 3 February 2014 21: 32
          +2
          Quote: badger1974
          and you can indicate what is the third generation ATGM? what exactly are the parameters for what would they be? What is your opinion

          Elementary. Shoot and forget, more specifically, dumped to hell with the PU. And all the rest of the type "the operator's task is reduced to control over the flight trajectory." This is not the third generation.
          Quote: badger1974
          so this is the third generation?

          Pointed-fired-dumped, and the rocket itself will reach the target.
          1. badger1974
            badger1974 3 February 2014 23: 22
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            I BELIEVE ON THE WORD, but not everything is so simple, but if the weather is unpleasant, or the environment is extremely unsuitable for the use of "self-propelled guns", and tank "clouds", etc., how then? it turns out that "fired and forgot" is ineffective, for so much money, and where to get the same in the unit, this will break the state into "fired and forgot" !!! and another question, who did you step on the tail, they constantly minus you, because of the flag stoll? you print sensible things, though sometimes I am wary of your exiles
    2. badger1974
      badger1974 3 February 2014 18: 11
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Well, where is the third generation here?

      Between generations of ATGMs, it is generally difficult to draw a line between the acre of the first, because both wire systems have + and -, and remote-controlled, laser semiautomatic devices, self-propelled vehicles such as Jova can allow the current ma countries are very rich, and even this type has its drawbacks, and efficiency "tethered" type FOG on fiber can leave all homing far behind, so this is the third generation? in ATGMs, as elsewhere, "cost-effectiveness" is important, but portable systems are a special priority, since the loss of one should not affect the combat capability of the unit
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 4 February 2014 04: 30
        +1
        aiming the missile itself (it doesn't matter: wire, radio, laser) at the target of the so-called. the "three point method" - the first generation.
        "two points", semi-automatic mode (tank in sight) - the second.
        "fire and forget" is the third. The gradation is pretty clear
        1. badger1974
          badger1974 4 February 2014 12: 19
          +1
          or anything clear, if you follow such a gradation, then the RPG-7 as an ATGM is not the third generation, and besides, "price-efficiency" reliability and ease of use is beyond competition
          and fiber optic FOG? which generally can work from closed positions,
          multichannel semiautomatic devices only increase their "lethality"
          not so simple
          the criterion of the third generation lies in some other parameter that determines its modernity
          1. Professor
            Professor 4 February 2014 12: 43
            +2
            Quote: badger1974
            nothing clear, if you follow this gradation, then RPG-7 as an ATGM is the most that is not in the third generation

            When an RPG can hold a shot on a vehicle regardless of its movement, then I agree with you.

            Quote: badger1974
            the criterion of the third generation lies in some other parameter that determines its modernity

            All in impatience, enlighten pliz. wink
  8. rolik2
    rolik2 3 February 2014 12: 07
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Well, where is the third generation here?


    well, like this laughing If the article was not called "Recent Developments Belarusian MIC "a" Latest developments Ukrainian The military-industrial complex "then this ATGM was called a maximum of generation 1 ++ sludge. And if the development is Belarusian, it is somehow not a camilfo."
    After all, Old Man is well done, he thinks for the state.

    Well, this is already out of habit .. The scheme is not new, but in order for it to have the right to life, it is of interest to what is its cost? Will he be able to compete with similar Russian-made ATGMs, if not in terms of performance characteristics at least in price terms.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 3 February 2014 17: 51
      +4
      Quote: rolik2
      Will he be able to compete with similar Russian-made ATGMs?

      maybe, because the Ukrainian Luch is actively working with Russian air-to-air missile systems, in particular in the development and supply of components for the UR-77, and the Hornet is a new or a super Skif, as opposed to Cornet, etc., the principle is
      but with a lag of "half a corpus"
      to compete - well, with a meager salary of designers in Luch - the price for the buyer will be the most pleasant with really acceptable parameters from all ATGMs in the world
      1. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. 4 February 2014 22: 51
        0
        It is the Central Design Bureau Arsenal that works with the R-77 missile (RVV-AE). They deliver GOS there.
        1. badger1974
          badger1974 4 February 2014 23: 48
          0
          don’t confuse, the Arsenal has worked, is working, and will work with optical devices, especially after the plant’s area has been reduced to one building (in vain, under the plugs are female and other everyday life obscurity), there’s nothing left to do as an optics, the Ray works with instrumentation, you feel the difference, especially since the R-77 in the active radar works, these are very different things
  9. Alexey M
    Alexey M 3 February 2014 14: 50
    +1
    Well done Old Man does not bend the defense.
    This is what the ban on traveling to a foreign country means to the government. Homes all sit work, they care about the state.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 3 February 2014 18: 36
      +2
      Old Man is not a good word, but now we are talking about the complex itself, how competitive it is among its own ATGMs, and what are its prospects among their own kind, they will not speak about export, but I just think that the Russian Cornet talk ma for domestic supply however events show a slightly different conversation
  10. badger1974
    badger1974 4 February 2014 13: 35
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    When an RPG can hold a shot on a vehicle regardless of its movement, then I agree with you.

    it all depends on the sight other than the PGO-7, there are a great many sights, including those with stabilization of the sighting of the direction of the shot, so accuracy depends on the aiming equipment - with current technologies this is not a problem, with a huge range of shots, etc.
    and secondly, I wondered what criterion is close to the ratio of the generation of ATGMs? I cannot enlighten, but in my opinion this parameter is the presence of "electronic brains" - it is the presence of good-quality electronics that is the determining value of the generation, correct if I am mistaken
    1. Professor
      Professor 4 February 2014 14: 53
      +1
      Quote: badger1974
      it all depends on the sight other than PGO-7, a great many sights

      It doesn’t depend on any sight. RPG is not able to independently hold the target. There is no question of any correction after the shot.

      but in my opinion this parameter is the presence of "electronic brains"

      Generational separation proceeds on the basis of what ATGMs can do, and not by what means it is achieved, electronic, mechanical, or biological.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 4 February 2014 16: 00
        0
        since I switched to grenade launchers, the Professor wanted to ask you: how does the NLAW determine distance and speed? (I'm interested in the possibility of detecting it at the time of healing) hi
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 February 2014 16: 51
          0
          Quote: Tlauicol
          since I switched to grenade launchers, the Professor wanted to ask you: how does the NLAW determine distance and speed? (I'm interested in the possibility of detecting it at the time of healing) hi

          NLAW is an ATGM, not a grenade launcher. I will write an article about him.

          PS
          I will not write, have already written.
          NLAW anti-tank manual grenade launcher
          The NLAW grenade launcher successfully combines the simplicity of a lightweight, individual anti-tank weapon with the advantages of a heavy anti-tank complex like BILL, serviced by a crew of two. The grenade launcher, thanks to the most modern technological solutions embedded in its design, provides a very high probability of destroying the target by the SSKP factor (Single Shot Kill Probability - the possibility of hitting with one shot). This probability is due to the use of the PLOS system (Predicted Line of Sight - pre-calculated line of sight). When a target is detected, the grenade launcher must monitor its movement for three seconds. This time is enough for the guidance system to calculate the necessary flight path of the grenade. The operator does not need to personally take into account corrections for the distance to the target and its speed, direction and strength of the wind. Grenade launcher provides reliable destruction of targets in any terrain with tilt angles of plus or minus 45 °. The grenade warhead is equipped with a non-contact fuse, triggered by a command from active magnetic and optical sensors. Moreover, these sensors also respond to combat vehicles with a body made of aluminum armor, or partially located in shelters.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 4 February 2014 16: 58
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            Well, yes, I noted that a grenade launcher. is there everything revolving around optics or IR images or does it measure with a laser (for example)? That is, does it give itself away?
            1. Professor
              Professor 4 February 2014 17: 21
              +1
              Quote: Tlauicol
              Well, yes, I noted that a grenade launcher. is there everything revolving around optics or IR images or does it measure with a laser (for example)? That is, does it give itself away?

              IMHO ATGM it. The only thing that speaks in favor of the grenade launcher is that it has no connection with the PU after the shot.
              You will laugh for a long time, but he measures the distance to the target. He has no idea how far the target is. Flies in her direction with a small lead on two possible trajectories: in the forehead or a meter higher than the target. Magnetic and optical fuses are triggered by the target or by hitting the target.
              He does not betray himself in any way.
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 4 February 2014 18: 09
                +1
                it’s good that it doesn’t give out :)) and even thinks quickly.

                the lead depends on the speed C, the direction of movement C, distance, wind, the inclination of the earth's surface. How he does it ?

                P.S. You missed a lot of "Not", the meaning of the post is confusing
                1. Professor
                  Professor 5 February 2014 11: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  the lead depends on the speed C, the direction of movement C, distance, wind, the inclination of the earth's surface. How he does it ?

                  What are you talking about? Its firing range is up to 600 meters, which is 2.5 seconds of a rocket’s flight. That’s the whole secret.
                  1. tlauicol
                    tlauicol 5 February 2014 13: 11
                    0
                    e.g. 10 m / s = 36 km / h. in a second, a target of 10 meters will pass. plus the wind. How does he anticipate? request
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 5 February 2014 15: 25
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                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      e.g. 10 m / s = 36 km / h. in a second, a target of 10 meters will pass. plus the wind. How does he anticipate? request

                      Well it's written right there: When a target is detected, the grenade launcher must monitor its movement for three seconds. This time is enough for the guidance system to calculate the necessary flight path of the grenade.
                      1. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 5 February 2014 16: 24
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                        Those. the system thinks: "in three seconds the target has moved 6 degrees horizontally, 1,3 degrees vertically, the wind is such and such"? All ingenious is simple! "Flight time for a distance of 400m - 1,5 seconds" Stop!

                        And how did you know the distance? optics? The flight time and the path traveled by the tank during this time, respectively, depend on the distance.

                        I have not bothered you yet? :))
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 5 February 2014 22: 18
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                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        Those. the system thinks: "in three seconds the target has moved 6 degrees horizontally, 1,3 degrees vertically, the wind is such and such"? All ingenious is simple! "Flight time for a distance of 400m - 1,5 seconds" Stop!

                        Something like that. The operator monitors the target through the sight by moving the launcher horizontally (forget about the vertical, tanks do not fly yet). The gyroscope tracks the movement of the PU. The operator fires the rocket and its "brains" follow the trajectory as if the launcher continued to move. If the tank was rooted to the spot, the missile missed.

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        And how did you know the distance? optics? The flight time and the path traveled by the tank during this time, respectively, depend on the distance.

                        The distance does not matter.

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        I have not bothered you yet? :))

                        not yet
                      3. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 6 February 2014 04: 56
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                        You still need to know the distance. The rocket moves with acceleration, then with deceleration.
                        Then, developers nevertheless stated about the surface slope (up to 45 degrees), but the principle is the same, apparently, this is not the point. The main thing is that the principle is simple, and again the Swedes excelled. And the aiming process is hidden.
                        The hangover operator’s syndrome was taken into account, I wonder? drinks
                      4. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 6 February 2014 09: 12
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                        And all ! My inflamed brain seems to have solved this problem :)) The missile doesn’t move in a straight line with a lead (otherwise, with the same angle of movement of the target, it would slip past close targets earlier than necessary). It moves in an ARC, the curvature of a swarm is calculated based on the explored angular velocity of the target and knowledge of the rocket’s own speed at each moment of time! Phew, freaking geometry!
                        And the correction for wind is not taken into account at all - apparently gyroscopes keep the product on course and that’s all.
                        Then uv. comrade Badger1974 is three times wrong, believing that it is possible to make 3rd generation ATGMs using RPG sights
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 6 February 2014 09: 16
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                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        It moves in an ARC, the curvature of a swarm is calculated based on the explored angular velocity of the target and knowledge of the rocket’s own speed at each moment of time!

                        The task for the second year of the Polytechnic.

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        And the correction for wind is not taken into account at all - apparently gyroscopes keep the product on course and that’s all.

                        Exactly.

                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        Then uv. comrade Badger1974 is three times wrong, believing that it is possible to make 3rd generation ATGMs using RPG sights

                        I don't even want to discuss this. The letter "U" in the word "ATGM" what does it mean? wink
                      6. badger1974
                        badger1974 6 February 2014 14: 55
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                        it’s completely in vain that opinion, easily, remember the defeat of the President of Georgia Shevarnadze’s Mercedes from RPG-7 — then Mercedes silently praised that the Mercedes was driving along the presidential, that is, at least 100 km per hour, the grenade landed in the engine compartment, and this despite the fact that it was discovered RPG-7 was equipped with an OPG-7 sight, which means that the shooter used the sight net like a super pro, going beyond its scope, and if equipped with a sight measuring the angular velocity of a target, a grenade would have got into the cabin exactly if there weren’t any shevarnadze the high-profile glory of the presidential Mercedes, the tricked-out scope is the future of an RPG - and installing equipment in grenades only increases its suitability - although it increases the cost of the shot itself, so you don’t have to wrong three times
      2. badger1974
        badger1974 4 February 2014 18: 12
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        right, it means RPG-7, if you have a sight with bells and whistles, and there is a third generation of ATGMs according to the gradation "fired-forgotten"
      3. badger1974
        badger1974 5 February 2014 00: 01
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        only the tank "snapper" does not need to explain this, the system will buy out the quantum leap and issue the necessary commands - either to blind the irradiator or to make aiming impossible, in any case, the target of the attack will be fixed, and dashingly shoot a bullet in the shooting range and trumpet the whole world about its superiority. .but it is in Africa too .. but, and the RPG-7 is a Seven with a capital letter
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 6 February 2014 09: 19
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          the system does not even understand that UFOs are aiming at it. The tank does not understand that you are looking at it, even if you wear glasses or a monocle. The driver will have 2 seconds to understand that the rocket is flying aboard and instantly stop the 40-60 ton tank or break loose. It is almost impossible. And if a UFO flies in the forehead / in pursuit - accelerate or brake - the kayuk anyway. Only KAZ protecting the upper hemisphere will help
          1. badger1974
            badger1974 6 February 2014 15: 52
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            a quantum leap, this abundance of photons that enters the photocell from a certain background to infinity from below takes into account the "bullfinch" and issues commands, from the very first arrival of such a discrepancy jump, so that the commander has time to turn around, about the skiff, this is for grenade launchers, and ATGMs have amorphousness with a reaction, if the tank is stuffed with norms, then ATGMs in the edge are bad
  • badger1974
    badger1974 4 February 2014 18: 04
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    first you are wrong
    according to the second, of course you don’t believe it, but ATGMs can even kill armored vehicles, and actually guided anti-tank missiles should do this from a long distance — it’s more than a grenade launcher fires with confidence even though it’s 0.5, and this is about 150-300 meters, Moreover, the sophistication of ATGM should not exceed the cost of supporting an infantry unit with more substantial support (tanks, aircraft, etc.), all ATGMs of the world are subject to this principle, regardless of nation and countries, ATGM should be cheap and at the same time effective, this is a difficult task but Jovam is not capable of it
    1. Professor
      Professor 5 February 2014 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: badger1974
      first you are wrong

      Yah? RPGs learned to homing? laughing

      Quote: badger1974
      according to the second, you certainly don’t believe it, but the ATGMs can do that, kill armored vehicles,

      What is the relationship with the generation of anti-tank systems?
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 5 February 2014 15: 54
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        that is, LAV and AT-type grenade launchers are ATGMs, and with a solid sight, the seven is a grenade launcher, some strange judgments you have, but the time is short before the RPG-7 grenade with a direction vector correction, or even completely controlled, is created, it not difficult
        on the account of the connection, I whined that, according to the principle of the third generation, "fired and forgot" this is fundamental for the third generation, so I gave an example, among ATGMs this is the 3rd pok, the presence of good-quality electronics is the generation, and there will be a system IR, optical fiber, laser, but at least radar-determining the presence of electromotive brains in the system
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 4 February 2014 15: 56
    +1
    the grenade after the shot is not controlled, is not adjusted, is not homing - this is the principle of guidance of the 13-14 centuries, at least put some electronics.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 4 February 2014 18: 22
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      in any RPG-7 grenade you can insert the Bogoslovsky’s invention (RF patent 2357212) an electronic gyroscope, this small device without any problems becomes the mass-dimensional dimensions of the seven grenades, well, hereinafter, already fantasize
  • kotev19
    kotev19 8 February 2014 13: 53
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    I have watched many films about the war. And that's what came to my mind. Imagine something that somewhere in the partisan forests fell into a blockade of partisans. a group located 100-150 km from the front line. How to help her. Why not think about creating a so-called "night light" - ie. a transport drone that would be able to transfer the cargo needed to the group for healing (of course not vodka!) and return back. And this could create the Belarusian military-industrial complex quite easily. AND NECESSARY and IMPORTANT!
    your friend