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Israeli Golan armored personnel carrier

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Armored Golan, manufactured by RAFAEL, designed for the transport of critical goods and escorts of transport convoys. The Golan was first tested in September 2006, shortly after the end of the Lebanese war. A universal wheeled vehicle can easily be transformed into a fighting vehicle, ambulance or mobile command post.




The body of the Golan armored personnel carrier - V-shaped, welded, made of steel armored plates, is a monocoque design. The armor of the Golan armored personnel carrier was developed as part of tank Merkava program (Israel) in collaboration with the American company PVI (Protected Vehicles Incorporated). Reservation allows the machine to withstand machine gun and rocket fire. The combat weight of the armored personnel carrier is 15 thousand kg, of which about 50% is accounted for by booking. The engine-transmission compartment is located in front of the housing. A 315 hp Cummins diesel engine is used as the power plant. Behind the engine-transmission compartment there is a control compartment and an airborne compartment, designed to carry 10 infantrymen. Landing and landing of troops and crew is carried out through the aft ramp and hatches in the roof (made over the appropriate places).

In the troop compartment there are observation windows and embrasures for firing from personal weapons. Overview driver provide viewing windows with bullet-proof glass, which are covered with armored strips. Inside the troop compartment has a coating that, when hit by an armor-piercing bullet, protects against splitting of armor.

Israeli-made armored personnel carriers have increased resistance to the effects of improvised explosive devices and mines of average power (due to the extensive experience of the dictates of military actions). This stability is provided by enhanced reservation of the lower part of the body and the V-shaped bottom of the machine. Reactive hybrid armor is installed on the outside of the hull sides. Golan armored reconnaissance vehicle has three levels of protection. The base level provides mine protection and protection against armor-piercing bullets of caliber 7,62 mm. According to the technical data, an armored reconnaissance vehicle withstands an explosion of fourteen-kilo mines under any wheel and seven-kilogram mines under the bottom. Intermediate level: heavier tiles are used to protect against armor-piercing bullets of caliber 14,5 mm and 20-mm projectiles. At the maximum level of protection, the armored personnel carrier is able to withstand a grenade hit by a hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher. Installation of all three levels can be carried out in the field. The use of different levels of protection does not affect the silhouette of the vehicle, therefore, it is impossible to determine the level of body armor by external signs.

Israeli Golan armored personnel carrier


The Cummins diesel engine, Allison 6 automatic transmission, as well as a small turning radius, provide good maneuverability and control. Suspension car dependent. The all-wheel drive chassis of the armored reconnaissance vehicle has a wheel formula 4x4. Front wheels - driven. Golan is capable of driving 95 km / h on a highway and has a cruising range of 550 km. Golan has an ABS system and a centralized tire pressure control system. In the absence of pressure in the tire machine is controlled.

The machine can be equipped with various weapons - large-caliber machine guns and automatic grenade launchers in turret installations, small-caliber cannons and anti-tank guided missiles. The basic design can be complemented by “plug-ins”, for example, a system of protection against snipers, remote control stations weapons or reactive armor.

Developed five modifications Golan: conveyor, machine control, sanitary, intelligence and machine tech. help. Depending on customer requirements and application conditions, Golan can be equipped with additional security features and have different levels of security.

Golan armored cars were purchased by the US military (60 machines) for use in Iraq. Depending on the level of protection, the cost of one machine at production will be about 600-700 thousand dollars.



Specifications:
Crew - 2 person.
The landing party is 10 man.
Length - 5900 mm.
Height - 2350 mm.
Width - 2550 mm.
Wheelbase - 3900 mm.
Weight - 15000 kg.
Wheel formula - 4x4.
Engine power - 315 HP
Maximum speed - 95 km / h
Cruising on the highway - 550 km.




Based on materials:
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www.defense-update.com
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  1. the47th
    the47th 27 January 2014 10: 41
    +2
    700 thousand ... Almost a quarter of the T-90. In my opinion a little expensive for a car that can only drive on roads.
    1. Professor
      Professor 27 January 2014 11: 09
      +2
      Quote: the47th
      700 thousand ... Almost a quarter of the T-90. In my opinion a little expensive for a car that can only drive on roads.

      For the sake of accuracy, compare the average wage on Raphael and in Nizhny Tagil.
      1. Mister X
        Mister X 27 January 2014 15: 26
        +3
        Dear Professor!
        hi

        And what kind of equipment is the Golan for the US police?
        In the first photo, there are no "armor strips" on the windows.





        In both photos you can see that the sides look different.
        He is without extra protection.
        Is this a concept?

        By the way, the car got its name in honor of the Galladian Heights?
        Golan heights

        By the way, in Romanian the word "Golan" means "Hooligan" and "Ragged Man".
        Gavrosh, in short smile
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 January 2014 15: 55
          +7
          Quote: Mister X
          And what kind of equipment is the Golan for the US police?


          The basic configuration. Withstands the 50th caliber. As you can see, hinged packages are missing as unnecessary. As a rule, an automatic fire extinguishing system is in the basic configuration. The machine is mounted mounted armor of three levels identical to the Bradley. Armor from Sasa can also be installed.
          Explosive Reactive Armor (I-ERA) tiles installed on the side walls. The I-ERA is based on the same technology provided for the US Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle. The reactive (I-ERA) add-on armor is an insensitive explosive known as Low Burn Rate (LBR) or Low Flammability (LF2) that was approved by both the Israeli Defense Force and the US Army.

          The Americans were very surprised when they saw the Golan on the roads. I mean, why such protection for the "internal troops"?

          Official message:
          The Department of Homeland Security is using 16 military-style, mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles for use during “high-risk warrants,” according to an official spokesman ...
          The MRAPs were transferred to DHS from the Department of Defense, free of charge ...
          The vehicles are modified for use with the DHS Special Response Team - specially trained, fully armored agents dispatched during the most severe and high risk situations ...
          “[The vehicle] is used in the execution of high-risk warrants - including drug trafficking, smuggling, and contraband,” “We have 16 MRAPs nationwide.”

          www.businessinsider.com/homeland-security-serving-warrants-mrap-2013-3

          Photos here:
          http://modernsurvivalblog.com/government-gone-wild/latest-homeland-security-vehi

          cle-street-sweeper /




          Quote: Mister X
          By the way, the car got its name in honor of the Galladian Heights?
          Golan heights

          Yes
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 27 January 2014 16: 06
            +2
            Thank you for your reply!
            As usual: clearly and reasonably.

            And what kind of thing is attached to the front bumper?

            1. Professor
              Professor 27 January 2014 16: 09
              +2
              IMHO a ram mop, knock doors. Or cling to the blade.
              1. bask
                bask 27 January 2014 16: 24
                +4
                Israeli Golan armored personnel carrier

                Multipurpose armored car Golan.
                Good armor ... but not very new.
                What did you remember?
                Of virtues, the weightless DZ ,, Rafael ,,.
                Of the shortcomings, one, aft entrance, exit.
            2. the47th
              the47th 27 January 2014 17: 47
              +2
              Quote: Mister X
              And what kind of thing is attached to the front bumper?

              To neutralize stretch marks. So they explode in front of the car.
            3. Alex 241
              Alex 241 27 January 2014 19: 24
              +2
              Quote: Mister X
              And what kind of thing is attached to the front bumper?
              1. bask
                bask 28 January 2014 00: 06
                0
                Quote: Alex 241
                And what kind of thing is attached to the front bumper?

                Hi Sash.
                And what is there for an interesting 6x6 machine, for which specialists are hiding ???
                No info ....
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 28 January 2014 00: 18
                  +1
                  ][/ center]] Andrew is a cadillac gage v 100 commando
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 28 January 2014 00: 37
                    0
                    ..................................................
                  2. bask
                    bask 28 January 2014 00: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    this is cadillac gage v 100 commando

                    Thanks for the info ... Sasha.
                    Good old Commando. Still on the bridges.
                    So the special forces from South East Asia (Indonesia, the Philippines).
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 28 January 2014 01: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: bask
                      South East Asia (Indonesia, Philippines).
                      They have a different modification of the B-200, on the top two photos 150 I model.
                      1. bask
                        bask 28 January 2014 01: 15
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        They have a different modification of the B-200

                        Yes, newer. (((Chet Lech not to see))
                        But, in your first photo, an armored car with a 6x6 wheel formula.
                        This is an armored car V-300 Commando.

                        Indonesian Commando Scout Car 4x4.
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 28 January 2014 01: 19
                        +2
                        "Mess" I hope you found out, the Czechs have worked
                        Andryukh the 300th could not load, here is the new American swat mobile based on the Ford f550 Bear Cat, a 7-ton machine can accommodate up to 10 fighters with full equipment.
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 28 January 2014 01: 29
                        +1
                        Andryush, the picture is still a hundred, look at where I got the shot. From 1min 20 sec.
                      4. bask
                        bask 28 January 2014 01: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Nemka is still a hundred, look at where I got the shot. From 1min 20 sec.

                        Exactly Sash. Cell 4x4.
                        But in the states, and such an old modification.
                        Textron has long been manufactured with independent suspension and mine protection.

                        Sasha sorry to sleep, everything is disconnected. Bye.
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 28 January 2014 01: 46
                        +1
                        See you! Take care!
                  3. bask
                    bask 28 January 2014 01: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    I couldn’t, here’s the new American swat mobile based on the Ford f550 Bear Cat, the 7-ton machine can accommodate up to 10 fighters with full equipment.

                    Sasha.
                    Now in the states of mania, all police cars are made according to the standards of MPI.
                    Preparing for war with partisans ??? smile
                    Police Officer MRAP MaxxPro.

                  4. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 28 January 2014 01: 37
                    0
                    You know, from the point of technical solution I like, and just beautiful cars.
                  5. wanderer_032
                    wanderer_032 28 January 2014 14: 45
                    0
                    The time of the liberation campaigns in the name of democracy has come to an end and the armored cars are being put on conservation or sold.
                    But the American cops are certainly not averse to buying them for themselves (at reasonable prices), since the army no longer needs them.
                    It looks impressive, they are very suitable for dispersing riots on the streets. Rebels just crap one’s pants at the sight of such equipment. laughing
  • bask
    bask 27 January 2014 16: 59
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    The basic configuration. Withstands the 50th caliber. As you can see, hinged packages are missing as unnecessary.

    Quote: Mister X
    And what kind of equipment is the Golan for the US police?

    Proff .. certainly respected, no one argues.

    MRAP Argus 4x4 manufactured by Protected Vehicles Incorporated.
    Argus is based on the Golan armored vehicle of the Israeli company Rafael.
    In 2005, the US Marine Corps purchased 60 Golan armored vehicles, but there was no contract to continue procurement.
    The Argus armored vehicle, which is a further development of the Golan, has a mass of 21 tons.
    Refinement, armor ... was carried out by the famous South African designer Gart Barrett.
    One of the founders of the production of machines with reinforced mine protection wired MPAP.
    He moved from South Africa to the United States in 1993.
    Barrett was the chief designer at the American company Protection Protection, where under his leadership the famous MRAP-Cougar and Buffalo were created.

    So that Golan 4x4 is not an Argus4x4 lint.
    1. Professor
      Professor 27 January 2014 17: 23
      0
      Quote: bask
      So that Golan 4x4 is not an Argus4x4 lint.

      I apparently missed something. Where does it say that the Golan is Argus4x4?
      1. bask
        bask 27 January 2014 17: 50
        0
        Quote: Professor
        I apparently missed something. Where does it say that the Golan is Argus4x4?

        Here.http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4275.html. The most reliable link
        http://megatorrents.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=464112
        http://pilotfm.ru/alexy/23476425110
        1. bask
          bask 27 January 2014 18: 09
          0
          Manufacturer, armored car ... Argus 4х4.

          Inc (PVI) was incorporated in Delaware in 2005.
          Manufacturing, PVI in North Charleston, South Carolina.
          PVI develops and modifies various types of armored vehicles, upgrading them.
          It uses technologies developed by Rhodesian and South African firms from the 1970s to the 1990s.
          High technology developed in the USA.
          Cougar 4x4.
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 27 January 2014 18: 56
            0
            Quote: bask
            Manufacturer, armored car ... Argus 4х4.

            Found on the Internet such an expression: Protected Vehicles Inc./Oshkosh Truck Alpha
            Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP

            By the way, the manufacturer’s website (www.protectedvehicles.com) indicated on the Army Guide website is for some reason inactive.
            Or is Protected Vehicles Inc part of Oshkosh?
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 27 January 2014 11: 14
    +5
    Quote: the47th
    700 thousand ... Almost a quarter of the T-90. In my opinion a little expensive for a car that can only drive on roads.

    The lives of soldiers are more expensive, and who said that only on the roads - watch the video more closely wink
    1. the47th
      the47th 27 January 2014 11: 20
      +2
      Quote: And Us Rat
      that only on the roads - take a closer look at the video

      15 tons and four wheels. Alas, only hard soils. In addition, after the blasting on a landmine with the loss of a wheel, this car remains in place.
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      2. atalef
        atalef 27 January 2014 15: 30
        +4
        Quote: the47th
        In addition, after the blasting on a landmine with the loss of a wheel, this car remains in place.

        As in general, the tank is also without a caterpillar.
      3. pawel57
        pawel57 27 January 2014 16: 28
        +3
        In this regard, yes. After the explosions, we drove on the armored personnel carriers without 2-3 wheels. The suspension was pulled to the armor by ropes and moved. Of course, the speed and patency is not the same, but still in motion, it is limited to combat efficiency.
    2. bask
      bask 27 January 2014 17: 37
      0
      Quote: And Us Rat
      The lives of soldiers are more expensive, and who said that only on the roads - watch the video more closely

      Who argues ...
      700 thousand $$$ per unit. The average price for an MRAP class armored car in the west.
      Israel can afford to buy them in the thousands.
      Golan, might even replace Suf's SUVs 1,2,3. Like police armored vehicles.
      But without front doors for the driver and passenger, this is problematic.
      Therefore, the purchase of an armored car ... Sufa-3, will be in full.
      Yes, and Sufa-3 is valuable, I think it will be much lower than Golan.

      "" "The Israeli Defense Forces received the third modification of the Sufa jeep, developed at the car plant in Nazareth. Within the next two years, the army is to purchase 500 Sufa-3 jeeps for 40 million shekels.
      The car was developed jointly by the IDF, Nazareth Automobile Plant and Chrysler "" "
      http://newsru.co.il/israel/23aug2011/sufa8006.html

      Sufa-3, at the parade in Azerbaijan.
      клик
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 27 January 2014 18: 59
        +2
        Quote: bask
        Therefore, the purchase of an armored car ... Sufa-3, will be in full.

        Yeah, and other bonuses ...


        1. bask
          bask 28 January 2014 00: 32
          +2
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Yeah, and other bonuses ...

          Armored car : Oshkosh SandCat
          An interesting joint development of Israeli Piasn and Oshkosh from the USA, 2008.
          On a commercial Ford F-Series, the chassis is reduced to 2,84 meters.

      2. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 29 January 2014 20: 29
        0
        Quote: bask
        The car was developed jointly by the IDF, Nazareth Automobile Plant and Chrysler "" "

        Chassis as I understand it from the wrangler? I wonder how much the price weighs? I think it’s inexpensive, but the machine is not bad ...
  • Pimply
    Pimply 27 January 2014 11: 16
    +3
    Quote: the47th
    700 thousand ... Almost a quarter of the T-90A.

    T-90 is now more expensive.
    Compare prices with other MDIs
    1. the47th
      the47th 27 January 2014 14: 42
      +4
      Yes you are right. Ural "Typhoon" costs over a million bucks.
  • Mister X
    Mister X 27 January 2014 19: 43
    0
    Quote: the47th
    700 thousand ... Almost a quarter of the T-90. In my opinion a little expensive for a car that can only drive on roads.


    In the basic configuration, it costs 257 thousand dollars.
    Below, we have determined that Golan and Alpha are close relatives.
    Here is an extract from the article:
    "Oshkosh Truck 'Category I entry is the Alpha, a 13 ton 4 × 4 armored vehicle with a v-hull and room for up to 8 occupants.
    It is actually designed by fellow MRAP contender Protected Vehicles, Inc. (PVI) of North Charleston, South Carolina.
    Past PVI statements external link have placed the Alpha's price at a very competitive $ 275,000,
    though it remains to be seen whether the Oshkosh partnership can deliver the vehicles at that same price point.
    "
  • ar-ren
    ar-ren April 17 2014 19: 24
    0
    On an armored car, a tiger costs a budget of 300 thousand dollars each.
  • AVV
    AVV 27 January 2014 10: 44
    -11%
    Well, the Israelis also need to cut the military budget !!!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 January 2014 11: 16
      +7
      Quote: AVV
      Well, the Israelis also need to cut the military budget !!!

      That is, that the machine is needed for hostilities is not taken into account?
  • Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 27 January 2014 11: 26
    +6
    Everything is beautiful, of course, but there are no orders from the Ministry of Defense for this very "Golan", and our soldiers continue to ride the M-113.
    1. igor67
      igor67 27 January 2014 16: 02
      +5
      Quote: Tourist Breakfast
      Everything is beautiful, of course, but there are no orders from the Ministry of Defense for this very "Golan", and our soldiers continue to ride the M-113.

      December 19 last year laughing after a snowfall the only way in our city
      1. Professor
        Professor 27 January 2014 16: 06
        +7
        Snow, tanks, Russian language ... Where am I? laughing
        1. bask
          bask 27 January 2014 16: 27
          +6
          Quote: Professor
          Snow, tanks, Russian language ... Where am I

          You are in Israel.
          Where are the MK-3,4 tanks, they are not afraid of dirt either laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor 27 January 2014 17: 25
            0
            Quote: bask
            Where are the MK-3,4 tanks, they are not afraid of dirt either

            In the photos there is no Mk-3,4. wink
            1. bask
              bask 27 January 2014 18: 20
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              In the photos there is no Mk-3,4.

              In the snow, that Mk-4. (2005).
              The shape of the head MK.4. There is nothing to be confused with.


              Proff .. this is not your love of tanks. am
              MBT Mk.4 was adopted in 2002.
              In 2005, the rearmament of the regular 401th brigade was completed.
              What's in the dirt, in my opinion MK.2
              1. Professor
                Professor 27 January 2014 22: 09
                +2
                Quote: bask
                In the snow, that Mk-4. (2005).
                The shape of the head MK.4. There is nothing to be confused with.

                However, you confused the two with the four. It happens. wink You look at the "hood" in front of the carrier. The four has no specific recess to improve the view of the carrier.
                Here they are tweaks of bases:


        2. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich 29 January 2014 20: 52
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Snow, tanks, Russian language ... Where am I? laughing

          Wellcome to Russia! Professor!
          Remember our argument? Come back Oleg, come back!
          We are waiting!
          1. Professor
            Professor 29 January 2014 22: 25
            0
            Quote: AlNikolaich
            We are waiting!

            Thank you, I’ve lived there for decades. Do not want anymore. bully
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 16: 17
        +3
        Quote: igor67
        after a snowfall the only way in our city

        Hello, Igor! It’s really snowfall, well, three snowflakes have fallen, and you’ve got an armored car right away. This is snowfall, wink
        okay so under the fourth floor for one blizzard.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 16: 19
          +3
          Here, another one found P-Kamchatsky, he himself experienced this when you need to bend down and knock on the window leaf of the second floor laughing
          1. igor67
            igor67 27 January 2014 16: 41
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Here, another one found P-Kamchatsky, he himself experienced this when you need to bend down and knock on the window leaf of the second floor laughing

            Hi Sanya! Well, do not compare snow in the desert with Vladivostok laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 January 2014 16: 44
              +1
              Quote: igor67
              Well, do not compare snow in the desert with Vladivostok

              Photos from Kamchatka, we don’t have this. We ourselves are almost like you have in the desert laughing
              1. igor67
                igor67 27 January 2014 16: 54
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: igor67
                Well, do not compare snow in the desert with Vladivostok

                Photos from Kamchatka, we don’t have this. We ourselves are almost like you have in the desert laughing

                We have an abnormally warm weather, after snow, there is no rain, the vipers woke up early, yesterday an Arab bit her. drinks
                1. atalef
                  atalef 27 January 2014 21: 48
                  +6
                  Quote: igor67
                  vipers woke up early, yesterday an Arab bitten.

                  Hey . Igoryanich. I thought they didn’t bite their own. wassat
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 27 January 2014 17: 23
      +1
      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
      Everything is beautiful, of course, but there are no orders from the Ministry of Defense for this very "Golan", and our soldiers continue to ride the M-113.


      And I read that from January 14, he goes into service ... I don’t remember where only. In general, they write that he was adopted in service in Israel since 2007. link In particular, the Americans in Iraq have been spreading information for a long time that they expect El Qaeda's intensified attempts to destroy the Golan or capture it in order to promote victory over the Zionist weapon.
      Golan Wheeled Armored Vehicle
      Golan armored vehicle exhibited as a new product for the markets of Israel and the USA
      Here is the internal design

      1. bask
        bask 27 January 2014 18: 46
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        Golan armored vehicle exhibited as a new product for the markets of Israel and the USA
        Here is the internal design

        Internal design, everything is beautifully ergonomic.
        But still Golan 4x4. This is an outdated model.
        Future for JLTV, which combine in themselves.
        1.Excellent security at the level, MRAP.
        2. Mobility and patency at the level of the Jeep.
        3.Large carrying capacity, with a relatively light weight of 4,5 tons on average.
        4. And the price is from $ 250,00 $$$.
        JLTV -Lockheed Martin.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 28 January 2014 16: 06
          0
          Oh-oh-oh, boasted of how.
          Why not ride on such a beach?
          Why the Yankees in their commercials do not show normal polygon tests.
          To see what driving capabilities the machine can show. Or is that all she can do?
          Here is a video about our TIGER:
  • Bezz
    Bezz 27 January 2014 12: 00
    +1
    For the financial unit in the field - just right. It's a joke. The speed for such a "ironing" is very decent. The price is probably going through the roof. And the "cut"? If it's a good thing, the hell with it. And then they will steal money, and make a laughing stock. An example is the Russian army navigator "Groot - M", GLONASS systems. They stole billions, and "made in the garage" homemade, for a laugh. That's what's scary.
    1. beard999
      beard999 27 January 2014 15: 24
      +1
      Quote: Bezz
      Russian army navigator "Groot - M", GLONASS systems. They stole billions, and "made in the garage" homemade, for a laugh.

      14TS822 is certainly not a masterpiece, but why do you call it "homemade" http://www.oaoniikp.ru/prod2.php?id=63? And who actually stole the "billions"? Do you blame the research institute? Is there any evidence? Do you know that Grot-M, in principle, is their initiative development, carried out exclusively at the expense of the enterprise? NII KP did not see any "billions" in my eyes, do not invent. And since when did the SRI KP turn into a “garage”? It looks like a garage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOqhR9wXlfc? Why are these cheap sketches? Of course, they’re “sawing” with us, nobody argues with that. But your example is completely unsuccessful.
      And by the way, "Grotto-M", is far from the only choice of army NAP CNS. There are receivers of other manufacturers as well - 14Ц853, 14Ц858, 14Ц875, NPI2 http://mkb-kompas.ru/index.php?page=nosimyj-priemoindikator-npi2.
      1. Bezz
        Bezz 27 January 2014 17: 00
        +1
        Quote: beard999
        Do you blame the SRI KP? Is there any evidence? Do you know that Grot-M, in principle, is their initiative development, carried out exclusively at the expense of the enterprise? NII KP did not see any "billions" in my eyes, do not invent.

        The first detentions in the case of the theft of billions of GLONASS took place immediately after the holidays, in mid-May 2013. According to representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it was confirmed that the leadership of the Russian Space Systems (RCC) stole at least 6,5 billion rubles allocated for the creation of GLONASS .
        10 pieces of transportable vehicles (for automobiles and armored vehicles) of the 14Ts821 “Grot-V” receiver-indicators, the military take 234 rubles each. Isn't there a mark-up for “armor-piercing”? Nothing more: the product is clearly outdated - the development of at least 587 years ago, and its technical characteristics, judging by the passport, are not so good. For example, there are only 13 channels, although in much cheaper civilian models of GPS receivers there can be up to 12. The error in determining the coordinates is 42-10 meters. This is too large a value, even "civilian" GPS-navigators give coordinates with an accuracy of 15-5 meters.
        But 1713 pieces of the so-called small-sized consumer navigation equipment GLONASS / GPS 14Ц822 (“Grot-M”) KNS at the same time, in 2008, the army team bought almost 236 thousand rubles per unit. Today, the Grot-M fell in price - 2818 units of such navigators were purchased for 478 485 804 rubles - almost 170 thousand rubles for the navigator. Also progress - drop by 28%.
        But still, it’s almost gold - the DAGR used in a number of Western armies, surpassing our Grot-M in all respects, now costs no more than $ 1600-1700. It runs on a single battery for more than 14 hours (versus 8 hours for ours), gives a positioning accuracy of 2,3–4,8 meters, and can use electronic cards. Alas, we don’t download electronic cards in our first “Grotto”. Even to our navigators, almost all of them are rolling out big complaints about the not too high protection against the effects of electronic warfare. Moreover, it is clumsy and massive: the Grot-M, which was produced until recently in a metal case, weighs 800 grams. Probably, in a fight with him it’s good to go to hand-to-hand combat ... True, not so long ago his modification appeared - in a plastic case, it already weighs 320 grams. But the rest is the same: it is afraid of the frost, and “lies” by 10-15 meters, although there are 32 more independent channels.
        But, many will say, all of them, from the first to the last screw, are ours, relatives. Oh, if only. Russian in this brick - two screws and an aluminum case. Because the chips are allegedly already Chinese, and the batteries are French. Displays are also imported. But the saddest thing is that to this day in our armed forces there are virtually no electronic navigational charts. And therefore, entering a field with a domestic device looks as archaic as it was decades ago: officers still work with paper maps using a standard navigator only to determine the latitude and longitude that they put on paper.
        PS I apologize for reckoning only the creators of "Grot-M" in the theft of money for R&D, it meant the development of the entire GLONASS search engine. Which, however, does not change the essence. Sincerely.
        More details can be found on the site "Top Secret". No. 6.2013. Pretty interesting.
        1. beard999
          beard999 27 January 2014 19: 32
          +1
          Quote: Bezz
          10 pieces of transportable vehicles (for automobiles and armored vehicles) of the 14Ts821 “Grot-V” receiver-indicators, the military take 234 rubles each

          Prices also depend on the purchased lots. While the Moscow Region will purchase “10 pieces”, it will cost a lot. When they began to buy in thousands of pieces, then the price immediately fell by a third. Americans buy DAGR in batches of tens of thousands of pieces, because it costs from $ 1800. If you suddenly do not know, Rockwell Collins immediately received $ 500 million under a contract with the Pentagon, and then another $ 200 million http: // www.losangeles.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=18669. The Scientific Research Institute of KP did not have such funding.
          Quote: Bezz
          For example, only 12 channels

          Army DAGR is the same 12 channel. And in the series for 10 years. The Grot-M has 32 channels, with a mass of batteries - 320 grams.
          Quote: Bezz
          The error in determining the coordinates is 10-15 meters

          The "Groot-M" has errors of definitions when working with GLONASS at a stop - 7 m, in motion - 10 m. For DAGR - "PPS: <10.5 m, 95% horizontal".
          Quote: Bezz
          . It works on a single battery for more than 14 hours (versus 8 hours for ours)

          Grot-M: continuous operation time from one battery pack - at least 18 hours. Http://www.oaoniikp.ru/prod2.php?id=63
          Quote: Bezz
          its modification appeared not so long ago

          Since 2010 in mass production.
          Quote: Bezz
          not too high protection against the effects of electronic warfare

          DAGR had similar claims.
          Quote: Bezz
          and afraid of frost

          Grot-M: operating temperature range - from - 30 ° С to + 55 ° С. The vaunted DAGR is up to -32 ° C. A big difference?
          Quote: Bezz
          I apologize for classifying only the creators of "Grot-M" as theft of money for R&D

          The "creators" of the Grot-M were not accused of embezzlement during the creation of GLONASS. The claims were specifically to OJSC RKS.
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  • beard999
    beard999 27 January 2014 15: 25
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    Curiously, in Israel, does someone really believe that, as stated in the article: “booking allows the machine to withstand machine gun and rocket fire”? And what are these “rockets” that Golan can withstand?
    Or, for example, the following statement: “an armored personnel carrier is capable of withstanding a grenade from a hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher.” RPG grenades, they are the same different. There is a 7P1 shot which is already more than 50 years old, but there are more or less modern ones - 7P27M, 7P28, 7P47, 7P63, 7P65. And what exactly can Golan withstand?
    It is also claimed that the Golan protects “against 14,5 mm caliber armor-piercing bullets and 20 mm shells.” But, for example, from the B-32 armor-piercing bullet, the 14,5x114 cartridge (by the way, he is already 76 years old - created in 1938) Golan from what distance provides protection?
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 27 January 2014 16: 33
      0
      The advertisement is engine of the trade. Maybe it will provide protection from a 14,5mm bullet from a distance of 1100m or a 20mm gun from a distance of 1600m. Of course, it will not protect against RPG with a tandem warhead.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 27 January 2014 19: 15
      +1
      There are different shots, that's right. Only it’s unlikely that you will find more than two or three main views
      1. beard999
        beard999 27 January 2014 19: 34
        +1
        The question is exactly what kind of shots the Golan is holding. Well, and so, all the modern shots I have listed are in service.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 27 January 2014 19: 41
          +2
          The armored reconnaissance vehicle Golan (Golan) has 3 levels of protection. The basic level of protection provides mine protection and protection against 7,62 mm armor-piercing bullets. According to technical data, an armored reconnaissance vehicle can withstand an explosion of seven kilogram mines under the bottom and fourteen kilogram mines under any wheel. The intermediate level of protection has heavier tiles and protects 14,5 mm armor-piercing bullets and 20 mm shells from armor. The maximum level of protection includes armor that can withstand RPG grenades. All three levels can be installed in the field. This reservation does not affect the silhouette of equipment, therefore, according to external signs, it is not possible to determine the level of armor protection of the machine.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 27 January 2014 19: 47
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  • wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 27 January 2014 15: 48
    +1
    A peculiar machine. With the inherent disadvantages of such a design.
    If he gets up in case of damage and it is impossible to get out from behind, then during the evacuation the crew and fighters can easily become easy prey for the enemy (it was also in Afghanistan when there were BTR-60s with landing hatches only in the upper part of the hull), even when using smoke (given the possibility of having IR and TV sights on the enemy).
    4 wheels are not enough for an armored personnel carrier, you need at least 6. In fact, the Golan is an armored car, not an armored personnel carrier.
    The wheelbase is long, this machine can not overcome serious obstacles such as ditches, trenches, eskarpas, hills with steep peaks, embankments with steep slopes. As well as independently cross a deep water barrier.
    This armored car is well suited only for police operations (but for the police it is probably too expensive), but not suitable for the army.
    1. bask
      bask 27 January 2014 17: 22
      +5
      Quote: wanderer_032
      This armored car is well suited only for police operations (but for the police it is probably too expensive), but not suitable for the army.

      wanderer
      Golan, this is a perfectly made armored car class MPAP-2.
      With mounted dynamic protection that holds the shot with a single-block RPG-7.
      V-shaped body Level 3: 7 kg in t / e, under the body and 14 kg in t / e under the wheel.
      His task is to escort convoys, with the safe delivery of infantry from point A to point B.
      Quote: wanderer_032
      The wheelbase is long, this car has serious obstacles such as ditches, trenches, escars, hills with steep

      This is the task of the BMP, to storm trenches and obstacles.
      Once MRAP, this is an armored car for the most secure delivery of infantry to the deployment site. Weapons for self-defense only 12,7 machine gun or 40 mm AG.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 27 January 2014 19: 10
        +1
        Greetings to all, I see a lively discussion has begun. hi
        bask
        But this is not an armored personnel carrier.
        Quote: bask
        His task is to escort convoys, with the safe delivery of infantry from point A to point B

        And if you do not drive along the road route, but you need to go to the intersection, then how then?
        Grader ahead let loose and bulldozers?
        And if the river or lake is on the way, wait for the sappers until the bridge is brought up or to carry a boat on a trailer?
        In war, the situation changes very quickly and the capabilities of equipment also mean a lot, only for the police or explosives this machine is suitable.
        1. bask
          bask 27 January 2014 23: 41
          +1
          Quote: wanderer_032
          In war, the situation changes very quickly and the capabilities of equipment also mean a lot, only for the police or explosives this machine is suitable.

          Wanderer hi
          I would say this: MRAP is an armored car for asymmetric wars.
          On the territory already occupied by troops.
          Where all bridges and crossings have been built.
          But the cross-country ability of modern MPDs, with independent suspension (of course, not like the BTR8x8), but no worse than army off-road vehicles, and 6x6, not armored trucks ..
          Providing mine protection against IEDs.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 28 January 2014 14: 36
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            Quote: bask
            I would say this: MRAP is an armored car for asymmetric wars.
            On the territory already occupied by troops.
            Where all bridges and crossings have been built.

            That is, for the occupying forces, which is equivalent to police functions.
            Russia does not wage occupation wars like the United States.
            MRAP are needed only for explosives during military operations (CTOs) and only for those units that are deployed there and take part in them.
            This is a very limited application. And it makes no sense to invest in the development of individual samples. It’s easier on the platform of the promising BTR family to create a simplified version for explosives and special forces (the range of modifications can be expanded to make cars with wheel formulas 8x8,6x6,4x4), and for movement on roads (unaccompanied by the WAI) to install modern bulletproof glass in the armored housing.
            That is, do not put on machines for explosives, the equipment and equipment that they do not need to work, and due to the liberated mass, strengthen protection, for example. This will also save money.
            From this, everyone can only win through the unification of components and assemblies.
            Quote: bask
            , with independent suspension (certainly not like the BTR8x8),

            I don’t understand what it doesn’t suit you for, the suspension on our armored personnel carriers is considered one of the best in the world by its smoothness and reliability, and given that the torsion shafts, and not the springs, serve as an elastic element in it, it’s also durable.
  • yanus
    yanus 27 January 2014 16: 24
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: the47th
    700 thousand ... Almost a quarter of the T-90. In my opinion a little expensive for a car that can only drive on roads.

    For the sake of accuracy, compare the average wage on Raphael and in Nizhny Tagil.

    And before that, compare the share of the RFP in the cost of the T90 and this armored car, and then talk about the size of the RFP)))
    1. Professor
      Professor 27 January 2014 16: 34
      +3
      I really didn’t know that the T-90 was made of gold and the RFP does not play a role there.

      Well, what is the proportion of ZP in the tank? wink
      1. yanus
        yanus 27 January 2014 18: 08
        -4
        Quote: Professor
        Well, what is the proportion of ZP in the tank? wink

        You don’t even need to look at the flag next to the avatar. Answer a question with a question laughing
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 January 2014 22: 02
          +1
          Quote: yanus
          And before that, compare the share of the RFP in the cost of the T90 and this armored car, and then talk about the size of the RFP)))

          Convinced, let's give your data and compare.

          PS
          By the way, I didn't notice the question in your comment. Here is a sign "?" also. Is it related to the flag next to your "avatar"? wink
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 27 January 2014 23: 16
          +1
          Quote: yanus
          You don’t even need to look at the flag next to the avatar. Answer a question with a question

          The image of a Jew in a given society does not provide much information about Jews as a people, but rather reflects the state of this society. hi
          1. bask
            bask 28 January 2014 00: 03
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            Quote: And Us Rat
            The image of a Jew in a given society does not provide much information about Jews as a people, but rather reflects the state of this society.

            A US
            And how does an Ifa reflect the image of a Jew ....

            "" The Norwegian newspaper Dagen reported that Yair Netanyahu, 23, was dating 25-old Norwegian Sandra Leikanger, currently studying in Israel.
            Dagen said that at a meeting in Davos, Netanyahu told his Norwegian counterpart Erna Solberg the two had recently spent their vacations in Norway.
            Nissim Zeev, a member of the ultra-Orthodox Shas party, told the Jerusalem Post on Sunday that Netanyahu must "show national responsibility" as prime minister.
            “This is a big problem,” he said. "I bet it hurts him."
            MP Moshe Feiglin, an uncompromising member of Netanyahu's ruling Likud party, told the Jerusalem Post the relationship "It's a pity."
            A newspaper citing a source close to Netanyahu’s son as confirmation that Leikanger is not a Jew.
            the extremist Israeli organization Lehava, which says it poses "to prevent assimilation in the Holy Land," urged Netanyahu "to prevent this relationship."
            "your grandchildren, as you know, will not be Jewish," the director warned
            http://newsru.co.il/world/26jan2014/norway_702.html

            And what is it called? When is a person forced to choose a wife for a girlfriend based on ethnic and religious principles?
            In my opinion, we have already passed this in Germany in the 30s.
            The purity of the "" "Aryan race" "" and all that.
            Sorry but it smellsracism(although another word is more appropriate here).
            The novel of Netanyahu’s son with a non-Jew caused the wrath of fighters with assimilation.
            http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti/2014/01/26/roman-sina-netaniyagu-s-neevreyk
            oy-vizval-gnev-borcov-s-assimilyaciey /
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 28 January 2014 03: 25
              +3
              Quote: bask
              extremist Israeli organization Lehava

              belay belay belay
              UHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
              laughing laughing
              The first time I hear about such fellow

              We are talking about a couple of zadr..that patients with orthodoxy of the brain, who sit on Twitter and stink, with the same success you can safely two-thirds of the participants in this forum in the "extremist organizations" laughing
              Folk Wisdom - "Every family has its black sheep"
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 28 January 2014 03: 48
              +3
              Quote: bask
              And what is it called? When a person is forced ...

              No one can force anyone to do anything like this, we don’t live in Iran tea wink
              They can wobble and pony - you understand liberalism, but for trying to force ... everything is decided one or two laughing

              time angry


              and two wassat

              Attempts at Intolerance Democratize ... laughing
              1. Kir
                Kir 28 January 2014 04: 07
                +1
                Well, in Iran, there are only fanatics, dictatorship and other "charms", you have a strange manner of pushing them onto others, especially those. who are not mentioned here.
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 28 January 2014 04: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: Kir
                  Well, in Iran, there are only fanatics, dictatorship and other "charms" ...


                  Fanatics fellow

                  Dictatorship request

                  And other "delights" lol
                  1. Kir
                    Kir 28 January 2014 04: 21
                    +2
                    Forgive me, of course, but there the monuments of pre-Islamic culture were destroyed. there destroy the followers of Zaroastrism? By the way yours at the crying wall, let’s say, they make an impression. and now they also go to Moscow nationally. something of the Muslims or the Orthodox. like the rest, well, except perhaps the Clergy and ..... sectarians in this form did not observe. And in their house they are free to do what they consider necessary for them, as long as they do not climb into someone’s monastery with their charter, forgive some others.
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 28 January 2014 04: 49
                      +3
                      Quote: Kir
                      ... pre-Islamic culture ...

                      In Kazakhstan, Islamic culture, and in Iran - Islamic fascism.

                      Quote: Kir
                      By the way, yours at the crying wall is the same let's say impress

                      "Ours" do not run the country and do not determine foreign policy (and not particularly domestic policy)

                      Quote: Kir
                      And in their house they are free to do what they consider necessary.

                      Then why the hell are they bothering everyone with the export of obscurantism called "Islamic revolution"? Theirs "Hezbollah" threatens genocide on our borders, not ours, not theirs.

                      Quote: Kir
                      and now they also go to Moscow nationally ...

                      Yeah, in a miserable bunch of Jewish Orthodox, the whole problem means ... lol
                      1. Kir
                        Kir 8 February 2014 16: 05
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                        I waited for you. so how many of these are Muscovites. not only how many Russians are among them ?, this is one other you have not only Orthodox, but sorry and schools. and centers and even Universities, and for some reason gravitation towards the Capital. Yes, and they are often trained not by locals, so say this, A? It seems that this is not the case with the Muslims, and then let's talk at a percentage of the total population, together with the imposed tolerance towards some people there. for me or you are a citizen or not !. further, all believers are not particularly pleased when this is done defiantly for children, such as the imposition of religious celebrations at the State level on the Secular State.
  • pawel57
    pawel57 27 January 2014 16: 36
    +1
    Ordinary armored car for police operations and escort of convoys.
  • Kir
    Kir 27 January 2014 17: 26
    +2
    What can I say well done !. if the United States which, all other things being equal, prefer their own. and then they took it.
    Here is the question. that did not indicate cross: overcoming water obstacles, which slope is able to overcome, etc. And then what is the protection on the roof side?
  • ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 27 January 2014 22: 36
    +2
    To survive in a real battle, four wheels will not be enough, you need a minimum of 6.
  • dvvv
    dvvv 28 January 2014 23: 41
    0
    Ordinary armored car for police operations and escort of convoys.-I agree completely! And such are needed! Not everyone rushes through forests and swamps) Although it is said very dimly about armor resistance and cross-country ability
  • beifall
    beifall 8 February 2014 07: 14
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    Now it will be training with the IDF - good news !!!!!!!!!