Super Heavyweight P1500: Another Third Reich Monster

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During the Second World War in Germany, a huge amount of the most diverse weapons. Often the proposed projects looked fantastic. Some of them, in spite of everything, have implemented (for example, the Douro), and some have remained only on paper. Among such unrealized projects is the Landkreuzer P.1500 Monster (“Land Cruiser”) - a super heavy tank.

Super Heavyweight P1500: Another Third Reich Monster


On June 23, 1942, the German Ministry of Arms was proposed the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte project. Hitler became interested in the project and allowed the "embodiment in metal" of this tank. In the same year, in December, a new Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster project appeared, which surpassed even this 1000-ton machine. Albert Speer in early 1943 canceled the project.

Because of the low fame of the exact image of this tank is not. The Landkreuzer P1500 was a project for a super-heavy tank on which it was planned to install the Krupp 800mm Schwerer Gustav gun. P1500 Monster, thus, is a huge self-propelled gun, which was to shoot 7-ton shells at a distance of 37 kilometers. The guns on the Landkreuzer P. 1500 were missing, the shells were to be driven by trucks. The main purpose of ACS P1500 - the destruction of fortified structures. In the case of the construction of this machine, it would easily surpass the Panzer VIII Maus and Landkreuzer P. Ratte 1000 in its weight and dimensions.

The design weight of the Landkreuzer P1500 exceeded all norms. Only one of its main weapons had a mass of almost 500 tons. Another adverse factor was the need for strong reservations and the presence of a large number of auxiliary weapons. The huge project weight before the developers posed a serious task - providing self-propelled self-propelled ability to move.



The power plant was originally supposed to use Daimler-Benz 8 engines, but they turned out to be too weak. In this regard, the designers decided to take for the tank four V-shaped diesel engines MAN (power of each 6500 hp) used on the type VII submarines. However, even such a powerful power plant would hardly have allowed the tank to reach speeds in excess of 20 kilometers per hour. For P1500 service, more than 100 man crew would be required.

Even if the P.1500 tank was completed, it would hardly have found practical application during hostilities. Powerful artillery and thick armor would create problems for the ground enemy, since the tank’s very limited maneuverability made it vulnerable to attack aviation. It was impossible to hide the car from air attacks - the stormtrooper unit could easily destroy this ground giant, and the enhanced air cover required additional costs. Under these conditions, the only possible use of the machine was the deep rear, where it could serve as a long-range artillery.

Near the front line, the use of P.1500 would not have been possible, since transportation caused difficulties. In addition, the tank could not be transported either on a low-capacity heavy-weight trailer or by rail. Huge weight and size did not allow the use of tunnels and bridges. Fuel consumption of such a gigantic car is difficult even to imagine.




Design tactical and technical data:
Weight - 2500 tons.
Length with tool - 48 m.
Case length - 42 m.
Width - 15 m.
Height - 8 m.
Reservations - from 70 to 300 mm.
Engines - 4 diesel engine MAN M6v 40 / 46 U-Boot.
Armament:
Cannon Dora (Schwerer Gustav) caliber 800 mm.
Barrel length - up to 20 calibers.
Type of gun - rifled.
Firing range - up to 38 km.
2 howitzer 15 cm sFH18 caliber 150 mm.
Automatic guns MG 151 / 15 15 caliber mm.
Maximum speed - 20 km / h.

Based on materials:
alternathistory.org.ua
dvbs-woft.clan.su
www.achtungpanzer.eu
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  1. +3
    15 January 2014 09: 23
    Even if the P.1500 tank were finished, it would hardly have found practical use during the war
    One in the field is not a warrior, but at least all the resources of the Reich have gone
    Landkreuzer P1000-Ratte, is it not irony that the artist portrayed the company against the background?
    1. +13
      15 January 2014 11: 07
      all the resources of the Reich went to the company

      So left! Not all, of course, but very much.
      The author attached a photo (for some reason) of Dora’s super-heavy gun to the article. Let's take a look at it; it is closest to the never-built Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte.
      Cost - 10 million Reichsmarks (how much it "weighed" in the 40th - even scary to imagine).
      "Crew" - more than 4 thousand man (infantry regiment of the whole composition - 3 000 people). Even when firing from an already assembled weapon, the calculation was 250 people (full-blooded infantry company - 170).
      1448 tons of Krupp steel! (60 tanks Pz-IV or 25 Pz-VI "Tiger")
      Preparation time for guns - firing position equipment (from 3 to 6 weeks) + time for assembly of the gun - up to 3 days. There is a mention that stacked ahead of schedule - already in 54 hours!
      It was transported only by rail in an unassembled form, was built at the position reinforced double trackon which the gun was going.
      Well result:
      - rate of fire - MAXIMUM 2 shots per hour;
      - barrel channel survivability - 300 shots (i.e. a gun on 7 days of continuous shooting);
      - MINIMUM firing range - 25 km (over the horizon!)
      THOSE. shooting only on target (according to target designation of intelligence), 2 shot per hour, when hit in the ground (and not in a powerful layer of concrete) - there is simply a hole a meter wide; you can’t hide the cannon, you can’t roll it back into the forest ...
      A real assessment of the "Untermenshees" themselves - "A real work of art, but useless" (m / v F. Halder).
      In general, the whole assessment of the "gloomy German genius" ...
      And you say "great techies" ... what's the point?
      MAKING A Fool GOD PRAYING ...
      1. Saksaul
        +7
        15 January 2014 13: 56
        Looking at the photo, notice the "curvature" of the railroad tracks. This was done in order to carry out horizontal guidance by moving this monster along the paths.
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      3. amigo1969
        +3
        15 January 2014 17: 48
        BRAVO Sakmagon !!! Concise, accessible and convincing !!
      4. VeryHardClown
        +1
        16 January 2014 02: 03
        according to the Munich agreement, France first gave Czechoslovakia to Germany, and then she gave loans to Germany for the war with the USSR, so there was no question of how expensive it was, there was a question - when will the USSR be dumped? again, the Munich conspiracy was concluded earlier than the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact for 9 months, and the very Poles who now howl about this pact, somehow forget that they themselves invaded Czechoslovakia and were the first to start the process that then came back to them.
        France, from the summer of 1940 allocated daily 20 million German marks, and from the autumn of 1942 - 25 million each. These funds were enough not only to provide the German troops with everything necessary, but also to prepare and conduct a war against the USSR. In total, European countries “donated” Germany more than 80 billion marks for these purposes (of which France - 35 billion)
  2. +6
    15 January 2014 09: 28
    Weight - 2500 tons.
    How does his land hold))) The Germans are still great techies. Well, it’s necessary to fool such a fool
    1. +2
      15 January 2014 11: 16
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Germans are still great techies. Well, you have to make such a fool
      Is it bungled?
      Although techies
      Design tactical and technical data:
      Mass - 2500 tons
      Notice
      It’s possible that it’s not like a very peaceful person, for example, an excavator rotary ER-5250, almost 4000t there:
      http://www.avtomash.ru/cdm/nkmz/er5250.htm
      1. +4
        15 January 2014 14: 55
        13000t but there is more Krupovsky rotary
      2. +2
        15 January 2014 18: 13
        Quote: Denis
        Notice
        It’s possible that it’s not like a very peaceful person, for example, an excavator rotary ER-5250, almost 4000t there:

        Do you know how fast it moves? And what is more distance than the quarry in which he "lives" he is transported disassembled?
        1. 0
          15 January 2014 19: 05
          Quote: Albert1988
          Do you know how fast it moves? And what is more distance than the quarry in which he "lives" he is transported disassembled?
          The excavator was brought more to the phrase:
          Quote: bomg.77
          How does his land hold
          Yes, and the monster in the article was not a march to put forward a position
          1. 0
            15 January 2014 20: 02
            Quote: Denis
            Yes, and the monster in the article was not a march to put forward a position

            Then the logical question is - why do we need such a "self-propelled gun" if it can only be dragged into position by rail and even disassembled?
  3. +3
    15 January 2014 10: 17
    The dream of reason gives rise to monsters ...
    1. VeryHardClown
      0
      16 January 2014 02: 11
      it was not a dream, they had quite specific tactical tasks - the destruction of the ship’s batteries of the defense of Sevastopol, attack aircraft and bombers could not solve these problems on the move, it was decided to attack heavily armored casemates and batteries with Dora. After Sevastopol, the Dora was sent to Leningrad.
  4. +19
    15 January 2014 10: 18
    After reading the article, I immediately remembered "Iron Kaput" from the Pun))

  5. Volkhov
    -2
    15 January 2014 10: 30
    The Germans simply did not need the assembly because of progress in nuclear physics - the 800 mm gun was the first-born of nuclear artillery, but the projectile on natural uranium was very heavy (7 tons), almost a flying reactor. The gun showed itself well, broke the shelters of Sevastopol, frightened the allies (it is believed that the Soviet atomic project began in July 42 with a letter to physicist Stalin Flerov, who served as an aircraft engineer, but 5 letters from Dora were sent by Hitler at the end of June and they reached citizens with Stalin a day they came by car, but they reached only clerks). The monster is the same gun, but on the tracks, so as not to prepare a position for a month. But by the year 43, they had already mastered enrichment, plutonium production in reactors and beryllium production in Taimyr, it became possible to make self-propelled guns in caliber 280 (Rat), and then 170 (E-100), which they did.
    There is nothing stupid in the project if there were no other options it would be done.
    1. +7
      15 January 2014 17: 42
      "Dora" near Sevastopol just showed an example "from a cannon to sparrows"! I fired about 60 shots, but the practical results (except for moral pressure) were zero! They aimed at the 30th battery - they did not hit it even once, and the otvetka damaged something in the Dora and, after dismantling it, was sent to Vaterland. But the "Karla" (600-mm mortars) showed themselves, just such a thing and knocked out one of the towers of the "thirty". And this is 1/4 of the 305-mm guns of the coastal defense of Sevastopol in 1941-42.
      1. +4
        15 January 2014 18: 06
        Quote: nnz226
        "Dora" near Sevastopol just showed an example "from a cannon to sparrows"!

        To my greatest regret, I lost the article about the fatty "Dor2, in which this monster was analyzed, and so it was said there that Dora, in principle, could not hit any target, since as a result of an error in the design, such vibrations appeared in the barrel during the shot that any tip would get lost (if I remember the technical information correctly.) Moreover, falling on something softer than concrete, seven-ton shells went into the ground for 30 meters, as a result, their explosion only slightly shook the surface.
        And so in my opinion - the cannon is this ideal symbol of fascist Germany - something terrible, monstrous, and in the end no good ... It’s a pity that the Nazi machine was not like Dora’s efficiency ...
    2. 0
      15 January 2014 18: 09
      Quote: Volkhov
      There is nothing stupid in the project if there were no other options it would be done.

      THIS project cannot be made PHYSICALLY ... There is nothing more to add ...
      1. Volkhov
        0
        16 January 2014 15: 01
        Guns 800 mm only in Germany there are 3 - one model D and 2 models D, given the alphabetical indexing system of technology models, it is likely that there are guns in the tower and sea (gunboat) versions. A tracked chassis is shown in the comments below on excavators.
        Just the caliber is out of date in a couple of years due to the development of physics.
  6. Leshka
    +5
    15 January 2014 12: 26
    Here is such a thing on scrap metal and received an annual income of Estonia
  7. Romanychby
    +2
    15 January 2014 12: 50
    Another useless thing.
  8. +3
    15 January 2014 17: 53
    Oh, they write everything they write about these NEVER EXISTING !!!! pseudo-projects !!!! One funny man started these tales about "Ratta" and "Monster" on one of the forums dedicated to WWII tanks and a lot of people were led ... Yes, the Germans loved something out of the ordinary, but they could hardly have thought of this , say "Mouse"? - the mouse and that was essentially not a tank, but a mobile pillbox, which was supposed not to break through the enemy's lines of defense, but first of all to strengthen its own. And so you can write about "our" "T-135" and "KV-5 BIS" Begemot "- they also turned out good falsifications and then there are excellent photoshopped photos of the T-35 and KV-2 ... hi
  9. typhoon7
    0
    15 January 2014 19: 33
    Yes, their paranoia was not frail. If these designers are not slowed down, they will build a tank the size of a city.
  10. +3
    15 January 2014 21: 03
    It’s a pity they didn’t. This is how much first-class metal and resources would be exhausted in vain! No, it was necessary to do, and more, more fellow Speer reptile, nifiga in tanks doesn’t cut wassat
  11. 0
    15 January 2014 21: 34
    There you have a rational German mind !!!! Have fun!
    Fools and (clever bred to grandmothers) are international!
  12. Alf
    0
    15 January 2014 23: 12
    Quote: Chen
    There you have a rational German mind !!!!

    Well, which side to look at. If from the technical side, then, of course, a masterpiece. To create such a thing is, indeed, the peak of technical thought and the possibilities of industry.
    And the fact that she won’t get anywhere, cannot move on her own and will devour all the money and resources of the great Reich, so it’s not for us (the designers), but for the customer.
    We will create, and then not our problem, let it be .. as they want. lol
  13. +1
    16 January 2014 01: 28
    The Nazis clearly had complexes :)
  14. NKR
    NKR
    0
    16 January 2014 01: 31
    looked at the characteristics of this "unit" raised his jaw and pounded on the question why the hell would Hitler be such a colossus
    1. 0
      16 January 2014 01: 49
      Well, like Dora, for the assault on fortifications and demoralization of the enemy by the fact that a projectile about the size of a steam train is flying into it. You know, it’s demotivating :) Although an air raid with incendiary bombs ... In general, a wunderwaffe is such a wunderwaffe.
      1. 0
        16 January 2014 22: 44
        The Germans are not the first time. For example, during the WWII, they built just such a 238 mm cannon solely so as not to aim fire at Paris.
  15. +1
    17 January 2014 01: 40
    It is fortunate that they sprayed funds for such projects and did not refine the more real machines.
    1. 0
      21 March 2014 13: 02
      Quote: _KM_
      It is fortunate that they sprayed funds for such projects and did not refine the more real machines.


      Yeah, and not just cars.
      “In 1940, the Germans captured in Brest (not in ours, but in French) a monstrous cannon, the barrel of which alone weighed more than a hundred tons. The cannon fired at a huge range with unique shells, created for it, weighing one and a half tons each. a sample for battleships of the next generation. The captured gun was of great value, because the cost of its development and creation was colossal. A commission of German artillery scientists was urgently assembled. Task: to determine the characteristics of the gun and issue recommendations on the use of this miracle of technology in the interests of the armed forces. Germany.
      And the commission began to work ...
      And at this moment, the commission of German artillery scientists finally gives out the result of their work - five volumes of the most diverse characteristics: if you shoot from a French cannon at a certain elevation angle, at such and such air temperature, with such and such wind force at such then heights and such and such a direction, then there will be such and such a result. And if you shoot at a different elevation angle at a different temperature ...
      And so many years of work is completed. Graphs, tables, diagrams, numerous calculations, generalizations, evidence are combined into a well-organized system. The Commission issued comprehensively sound conclusions and recommendations ...
      Of particular importance was the last conclusion of the last volume. It sounded like this: during the tests, all the unique ammunition was used up, and the barrel was completely worn out and was no longer suitable for firing.
      The humor was that they didn't understand humor. "
      Suvorov "Suicide"
  16. 0
    24 January 2014 11: 52
    The design thought in such projects "knows no boundaries" and this is not bad from all sides. Even a negative result is also a result, and some of the technical solutions can be checked only when a bunch of "uncontrollable bucks" and the courage of thought goes off scale. It's a pity now the Russian Federation cannot afford it, and in the USSR there were projects not for the TTZ of the Ministry of Defense, but for the money of some technical commission of the Supreme Council. The designers worked miracles in the literal sense of the word! True, 95% of the dough is really in "trash" ... The USSR was rich ... If you design only on the basis of the realities of necessity, practicality and reasonable sufficiency - wonderful heights and heights cannot be reached ... IMHO wink
  17. vik52
    0
    29 January 2014 01: 47
    Under Bakhchisarai, the notch of her position remained.