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On the roof: status and trends in the field of remotely controlled combat modules

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On the roof: status and trends in the field of remotely controlled combat modules
The final assembly of the Kongsberg CROWS M153 combat module is in progress.



Remotely controlled combat modules are an integral component of army armored vehicles, and recent design developments ensure their steady domination in the theater of operations. Consider the state of affairs and trends in this area.

The past few months have been rife with purchase announcements of remote-controlled combat modules (SDMs) in a number of countries. In May, 2013, the company Kongsberg received a contract worth 16 million dollars from the Croatian army for the supply of their Protective Safety Sensitive Modules, which will be installed on Patria AMV 8x8 armored vehicles. In April, the company received a contract worth 25,5 million dollars for this system from the Swedish logistics agency, which followed an earlier January contract worth 12,34 million dollars.

The Swedish order is part of a framework agreement worth 164 million dollars for the supply of Nordic North-East Sea Project to the Norwegian and Swedish armies, which was signed in December of 2011.

Market needs

Permanent orders received by Kongsberg testify to the urgent need for an SDS. In 2007, the company received a contract from the US Army to fulfill its requirements for a common remotely controlled Common Remotely Operated Weapon Station II (CROWS II) module, which corresponds to the M153 Protector variant of the same Kongsberg company.

The company received "floating" contracts for this system. The most recent contract worth 27,5 million dollars in manufacturing, system support and technical support was announced in October 2012. It is part of a new framework agreement with the US Army worth over 970 million dollars, announced in August 2012 for more than five years.

With approximately 6000 CROWS II systems currently deployed in the army (most of them in Afghanistan), the US Army highly appreciates these SDMAs. Major Jim Miller, Assistant Head of Direction for CROWS in the Directorate of Soldiers' Armament: "They allow us to perform various tasks with a limited number of soldiers, while increasing survivability and mortality."

With a mass of 172 kg, the M153 can accept 12,7-mm M2, 7,62-mm M240 or 5,56-mm M249 machine guns or the automatic 40-mm grenade launcher MK19.

Meanwhile, CROWS II is currently being developed also to protect military bases.



M153 Protector Battle Module (CROWS II) from Kongsberg


Kongsberg Vice President Rune Werner said that the new DBMS is mounted on a mast inside a stand-alone standard container. This will allow the user to ensure the safety of remote stationary bases and protect their perimeter, although the operator can be located in a safe place for many kilometers from the combat module.

Kongsberg has developed similar versions of the original BBN M151 Protector for 16 armies. According to Werner, at the same time at least 13 countries used this system in Afghanistan.

In March, 2012, the company Kongsberg received an order worth 17,1 million dollars from Renault Trucks Defense to its EUMA as part of a framework agreement worth 85 million dollars. These systems will be installed on the Renault VAB 4x4 French Army BTR, the modernization of which was originally announced in May 2008.

The combat modules are designed for installation on armored vehicles, and one of the crew members controls them from inside the vehicle. By controlling the weapons remotely, the operator remains under the protection of the armor of the machine, he does not need to manually direct the weapons outside, substituting for enemy fire.

With this in mind, the Australian Department of Defense acquired an anti-aircraft defense system for its Protected Mobility Vehicle and Australian Light Armored Vehicle (ASLAV) Australian light armored vehicles. In 2007-2012, a total of 210 DUBM, 116 modules from Thales Australia and 94 CROWS R-400 from Electro-Optics Systems were acquired. In 2005, 59 CROWS modules were purchased for ASLAV machines in two batches (40 and 19) from Kongsberg Defense and Aerospace.

Kongsberg Protector can rightfully be considered a market leader with real experience in operating its systems for more than ten years, including in battle conditions, but all this, not least thanks to real competition.



TRT combat module from BAE Systems Land Systems South Africa


International Suppliers

Neighboring Kongsberg for Scandinavia, Saab launches its family OASM Trackfire. Also among suppliers are such European companies as the Italian Oto Melara with the Hitrole family; German Krauss-Maffei Wegmann with its FLW 100 and Rheinmetall with the 609N module; the Belgian FN Herstal with its deFNder family; and the French Sagem with a WASP module and Nexter with ARX20 DBMS.

In addition to Europe, the South African company BAE Systems Land Systems South Africa (LSSA) supplies the SD-ROW module (Self Defense Remotely Operated Weapon - remotely controlled weapons for self-defense) and TRT (Tactical Remote Turret - tactical remote tower) (see photo above). Reutech from South Africa manufactures Rogue RWS; the Turkish company FNSS manufactures Claw ("Claw"); Singaporean ST Kinetics supplies the ADDER DBMS.



The ST Kinetics ADDER can be equipped with an 7,62-mm machine gun, a 12,7-mm machine gun CIS or an 40-mm automatic grenade launcher CIS


Israeli industry is also strong in this market. Rafael launches the Samson family; IMI manufactures Wave 200; and Elbit is engaged in the release of ORCWS (Overhead Remote Controlled Weapon Station - rendered remotely controlled combat module). The latter company in its Brazilian subsidiary also manufactures ARES DBMS.

A number of programs for the replacement and modernization of armored vehicles around the world have attracted the interest of suppliers of DBMS. Jerry van der Merwe, Head of Business Development at BAE Systems LSSA, is looking at the Dutch wheeled vehicle replacement program with interest. The Netherlands wants to purchase a number of logistic machines with mini-cabs and light DUBM.



Although the BAE SD-ROW module is still to be put into service, it has already been installed on a number of testing machines, for example, on the RG35 4x4 (photo below)


Eastern promises

In order to fulfill the requirements for the use of an SDS, LSSA expressed a desire to cooperate with one of the machine manufacturers for the Netherlands to supply its SD-ROW. A selection of the Dutch Defense Ministry is expected at the end of 2014. Van der Merwe is also interested in the Middle East, where there is enough money to buy such systems.

Izhar Sahar, director of marketing for the ground combat systems division at Rafael, pointed out several potential SDMD markets in Latvia, Poland, other European countries, as well as in the Asia-Pacific region and India. Several dozens of Samson Mini were delivered to Belgium under a contract signed this year; deliveries will begin in the first half of 2014.


Samson Mini by Rafael


In addition to the Rafael company launching the Samsun DBMS, its division Dynamit Nobel Defense (DND) has developed its own version of the Dubbed DBMS, based on Samson Dual. This is a two-axis gyro-stabilized system onto which two types of weapons are mounted (for example, 25-mm or 30-mm cannon and 7,62-mm machine gun). DND integrated the 12,7-mm machine gun into its new installation and it was shown in Germany in April 2013.

Large angles

FN Herstal developed the deFNder DBMS family, which the company describes as a set of systems with large pointing angles - a very important feature in an urban and irregular war, where the DBMS should be aimed at tall buildings. With a Minimi 7,62-mm machine gun, the installation can have an elevation angle of + 80 degrees and a declination angle of –60 degrees.


The lightweight FN module deFNder Light has high aiming angles.


FN has successfully established itself in three major programs on SDM. Its modules were installed on the Belgian multi-purpose protected vehicles (MPPV) and armored infantry vehicles (AIV), as well as on the commanding VPC vehicles manufactured by French Nexter (former GIAT); in total, more than FN deFNder 400 systems were delivered.

Saab Trackfire Module Based on Universal tank and anti-air system. With this module, she won her first contract only at the end of 2011, when ATK chose this system to integrate its lightweight 25mm Bushmaster Chain Gun and supply it to the U.S. Army.

In December 2012, it was announced that the company had received its second contract for this system from the Finnish Navy; In 2014-2016, Saab will supply 13 installations. The Trackfire module will be installed on Alutech Watercat M18 AMC amphibious assault boats. The fire control system, on which the Trackfire is based, is currently rated by Canada as part of the requirements of this country's army for a melee vehicle.

Italian investment

The Hitrole Light module of the Italian company Oto Melara is currently deployed in the Italian contingent on its Iveco VTLM Lince and BTR Puma vehicles. The company received a contract worth 20 million euros (26,6 million dollars) in the 2009 year on the 81 system for these machines, which were delivered by the middle of the 2010 year.

According to the company, it has signed an additional contract with the Italian Defense Ministry to install Hitrole Light for special versions of the VBM Freccia machine from Iveco-Oto Melara. She also agreed with Iveco to install this system on its Multi-Role Multi-Role Medium Tactical Vehicle (VTMM) multi-purpose middle-class machines designed to carry out the tasks of mine clearance of VCA.



Module Hitrole Light Italian company Oto Melara


Further developments include an OEDS installed on the Super Amphibious Vehicle Iveco machine, which is just beginning to pass qualification tests in the Italian army. The new system, designated VBA, is designed to meet the requirements of the Italian army and naval special forces.

The company Oto Melara is looking to the future and according to the available data is considering the possibility of installing in the Hitrole module of machine guns not only the NATO standard. Currently, an analysis of the development of a suitable tower installation is underway along with towers compatible with 105 mm and 120 mm cannons.

All-seeing technology

With the increasing use of DBMS, these systems are becoming the standard for machines, and moreover, more large-caliber weapons are being installed in them than in the past.

According to Carl-Eric Lick, head of marketing for control systems at Saab, a renaissance has taken place in the world of OOBM due to miniaturization of electronics and greater availability of thermal imaging technology.

Lick said that the use of modern stabilized systems to enable firing on the move has now become the standard, while recent contracts have also demonstrated the need for systems with much greater angles of view that would provide better situational awareness and be integrated with the combat information network and onboard sensors of the car.

Oykun Eren, head of the weapons systems department at the Turkish company FNSS, said that the improvement of infrared night cameras and high-resolution daytime cameras will continue. The aiming systems are also beginning to include various technologies for generalizing images and multispectral sensors, which will allow shooters to better detect and identify targets at large distances and in bad weather conditions. These systems can help operators detect recently broken ground or road surface, which is a sign of buried IEDs.

He considers the situational awareness of the operator of the SDS as a primary task for the developers of these systems, since the remote user of the weapon system is deprived of peripheral vision and sound “prompts” and depends entirely on the front-view cameras.



The Claw FNSS module offers protection to the operator during replenishment of ammunition and replacement of other mechanical components.


Future accents

Eren believes that in the future there will be significant improvements in the optoelectronics of the DBMS and other sensors, which will mitigate these shortcomings. Here one could use smart helmet displays, similar to those used in combat aviation. They provide the shooter with a computer image of the external environment of the machine and allow you to direct weapons with movements of the head and neck.

Tighter integration of the combat information and control system with the technologies available in the vehicle’s chassis will also improve the ability to detect and locate the shot. Threat detection systems will become standard, and their integration with fire control computers will allow the shooter to respond faster, automatically targeting and tracking the sniper.

According to Ehren, one of the trends that has recently received a powerful impetus has been the development of tower forms of DBMS. This path was chosen by FNSS and introduced its Claw system. Installing a remote-controlled turret eliminates the need for a turret basket, which is usually present in a traditional habitable turret rotating inside a combat vehicle.

With the standard EPRS installed, the crew from the inside of the vehicle can only replenish the ammunition, and in the case of tower anti-aircraft projectiles, weapons (except barrels), ammunition, loading chutes and associated systems can be replaced from the inside of the armored capsule.

The OAS developed by FNSS and the partner company Aselsan was created both for the Turkish army and for export. He is currently undergoing fire tests and is expected to be available on the market soon.

The company Oto Melara also offers its version of the tower OAK. Her version of Hitrole for armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles can be recharged from inside the car, while the crew is not at risk of enemy shelling.

The most important characteristic is the possibility of defeat from the first shot, and according to Sue Wee Wang, the head of the center of weapons systems in the Singapore company ST Kinetics, improving the stabilization of the weapon complex and the video tracking system for the target is considered as promising areas.

The convenience and ease of use of these technologies in combat modules will be the basis for development, despite the ever increasing complexity of the systems. "We will see the capabilities of the touch screen, which will allow the arrow to point the target on the screen with a finger, then turn the armament complex and that's it ... destroying the target," explained Sue.

Modularity and customization

The constructions of the joint stock conference are currently being created in such a way that it can easily suit any user. LSSA has focused on the simplicity and low cost of its SD-ROW and TRT modules, which makes it possible to refine them based on the requirements of various users. For example, a version of SD-ROW rotating on 360 ° was developed, although the original design allowed it to rotate only on 270 °. The idea of ​​the initial version was that support and supply vehicles, as a rule, move in a column and it is unlikely that there will be a need to shoot backwards, but buyers have requested advanced features.


SD-ROW Module from BAE Systems Land Systems South Africa, South Africa


Saab has put modularity at the forefront and based on this concept has developed its TrackMire SDM. The Trackfire module began as a mature, proven in the military system, capable of carrying out ballistic calculations for all calibers, including calculations for the guns of the main battle tanks. This functional component was used in various versions of the Trackfire, including configurations for Russian and Western weapons (which requires the supply of ammunition from opposite sides).



DUBM Trackfire from Saab


OUBS should be quickly and easily installed on different types of machines without any modification of the module itself. One DBMS could be installed on one machine, and the next day on another. The ability to quickly modify systems for different requirements also simplifies logistics tasks: reusing components and technologies between different options simplifies procurement and reduces the cost of spare parts.

Due to the rapid development of relevant technologies and designs of armored vehicles, the Dubbedan Railroad Railways needs an open architecture from the very beginning of development. It is also necessary to update the learning tools of the DBMS. Currently, there is a great need not only for more desktop classroom simulators, but consumers also want to have (as part of the system supply) interactive and electronic operating and maintenance manuals, available from the operator console.

Mr. Sue stressed that there is a great need for what is called “immersion training”, it could complement the training in the classroom and on the simulator.

Mass is another problem. Since more armor is being attached to the machines for protection, there is less payload for other systems. “Compact design is very important. This ensures the minimum mass of the OCDM, but allows you to load the maximum ammunition ready-made shots in order to reduce the number of reloads, ”added Sue.

It is clear that the pace of change in the area of ​​SDM is high, and designers, designers and manufacturers must devote a lot of effort to maintain this pace.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 26 December 2013 09: 12
    +3
    Upon reading the material, one feeling crushes: - I envy
  2. Akim
    Akim 26 December 2013 09: 32
    +2
    The Croats are planning their Patria will arm 30-mm guns.
  3. Rex
    Rex 26 December 2013 09: 41
    +1
    The article is poorly designed.
    Bloopers of the type "Remotely controlled combat modules ARE AN INTEGRAL component of army armored vehicles"

    About helmet sights as a whole crap - even from the Hammers / Tigers the crew has a worse review than the module itself.
    For all the undoubted necessity and promise, the questions are "forgotten":
    - reloading when a car is fired from a rifle (especially in a city);
    - the stability of the guidance and power mechanisms of the weapon to hit bullets of caliber 5,6-7,6 (not to mention sights).
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 26 December 2013 11: 01
      +3
      About helmet sights as a whole crap - even from the Hammers / Tigers the crew has a worse review than the module itself.

      Obviously, this means that the image in the helmet will be transmitted from the DBMS sensors.
      1. Rex
        Rex 26 December 2013 17: 39
        -1
        Yes, I somehow missed it - in this form it is possible. Although from the side such an aiming will look unusual ...
        That's just one such helmet will cost like a machine gun. And given that the whole machine, along with the module and helmet, can be destroyed by one RPG - should this be complicated ...
        In general, he himself for such modules, but without "kinks", otherwise the module will come out more expensive than the base itself
      2. Jet
        Jet 26 December 2013 20: 37
        -1
        this is the essence of the device)
    2. Impact
      Impact 26 December 2013 20: 00
      -5
      Quote: Rex
      The article is poorly designed.
      Bloopers of the type "Remotely controlled combat modules ARE AN INTEGRAL component of army armored vehicles"

      In the West - an integral component.
      In Russia - "women give birth to new women."
      1. Rex
        Rex 27 December 2013 10: 03
        -1
        In which army of the world have combat guided modules already become an "integral component"?
        Even in the advanced countries of the "West" 5% of armored vehicles with them will not be typed
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 December 2013 10: 20
          +1
          Quote: Rex
          In which army of the world have combat guided modules already become an "integral component"?
          Even in the advanced countries of the "West" 5% of armored vehicles with them will not be typed

          I don’t know how about other armies, but in the AOI this has long been a standard. For example, like this border patrol near the Gaza Strip.


          Or this one on a heavy armored personnel carrier
          1. Rex
            Rex 27 December 2013 11: 00
            -2
            In his commentary on this phrase in the article, he did not agree, since Such a statement assumes that AT LEAST a BIG part of the non-armament machines and at least in the "developed" countries have such modules.
            Although "inalienability" in principle implies 100% equipment, which is not observed
            The prototypes of such modules in the form of remotely controlled machine guns were in service as early as the 70-80s.

            Not at the expense of Israel. Although it is unlikely that there is a remote-controlled weapon on each unit of armored vehicles.
            The AOI is impressed by the introduction of heavy armored personnel carriers.
            And in fact, over the years, they showed an example of a heavy infantry fighting vehicle - replace a weapon complex on Merkava
            1. Professor
              Professor 27 December 2013 11: 22
              +2
              Quote: Rex
              Although "inalienability" in principle implies 100% equipment, which is not observed

              Quote: Rex
              Not at the expense of Israel. Although it is unlikely that there is a remote-controlled weapon on each unit of armored vehicles.

              On each and do not. Busting and cards is bad. However, where such modules are now dangerously standing.




              1. Rex
                Rex 27 December 2013 12: 08
                +1
                Yes, I am only for. On our Tigers, too, must be properly installed.
                It would not hurt to think about the possibility of reloading, at least relatively safe. Let's say the trunk to the sky breech into the hatch
              2. Rex
                Rex 27 December 2013 12: 18
                0
                Although I really want to build at least some kind of "baschenka" around all this - to cover the shutter power and ensure the replacement of the ammunition ...
                1. Professor
                  Professor 27 December 2013 15: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: Rex
                  Although I really want to build at least some kind of "baschenka" around all this - to cover the shutter power and ensure the replacement of the ammunition ...

                  Already built, booked and allowed to recharge from the inside.


                  1. Rex
                    Rex 28 December 2013 08: 26
                    0
                    Well - it’s so calmer winked
                    Many of the modules described are good for short-term contact or from distances of at least 300.
                    And think about 1-2 hours "locked" on the road or street ...
                    In AOI, it’s probably arranged and pulled out - in 15 minutes artillery will fly, in 30 minutes helicopters will fly ... And we have no guarantees
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 28 December 2013 19: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: Rex
                      In AOI, it’s probably arranged and pulled out - in 15 minutes artillery will fly, in 30 minutes helicopters will fly ... And we have no guarantees

                      It happens in different ways. And they sit for days in technology. But almost quarterly artillery works, victims among the Arabs, and so are inflated by the most unmeogue ...
  4. Akim
    Akim 26 December 2013 09: 59
    +3
    I translated the text Air Force of Ukraine in 2013 (Siły powietrzne Ukrainy w 2013 roku)
    http://dziennikzbrojny.pl/artykuly/art,2,6,5747,armie-swiata,potencjal,sily-powi
    etrzne-ukrainy-w-2013-roku

    , but they don’t miss it, because there are a lot of syntactic and punctual and structural errors. Who can edit the translation? Because I do not see them?
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 26 December 2013 13: 31
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      because there are a lot of syntactic and punctual and structural errors.

      The same problems, Kim ...
      My schoolgirl daughter checks and corrects ...
      repeat
      laughing
      1. Akim
        Akim 26 December 2013 13: 36
        +3
        Quote: Aleks tv
        My schoolgirl daughter checks and corrects ...

        The moderators advised me to read someone else, and there were only women in the house. Well, do not give them? This is for them, like a distributor or ignition coil.
  5. lotar
    lotar 26 December 2013 10: 23
    +2
    Indeed, this technique of the future and despite some skepticism by some commentators, the technology is developing quite rapidly. This is especially true for military equipment. And all the problems associated with this equipment are well known to developers and sooner or later they get rid of them. Only one who does nothing makes mistakes .
  6. Hey
    Hey 26 December 2013 10: 30
    0
    I'm more interested in methods and means of countering these devices.
    1. Rex
      Rex 26 December 2013 17: 23
      0
      Similarly. Infantry disease smile
      From the far - 12,7 rifle, and at 300 - an RPG.
      In the course of time, it’s normal to take what’s like an anti-tank gun to each compartment
      1. Impact
        Impact 26 December 2013 20: 57
        0
        Quote: Rex
        From far - 12,7 rifle

        Future armor

        Armor of the future: plastic and non-deformable
        http://topwar.ru/34449-bronya-buduschego-plastikovaya-i-nedeformiruyuschayasya.h
        tml
        + Acoustic / laser sniper detection systems.

        Quote: Rex
        and at 300 will arrive - RPG

        German KAZ
        http://topwar.ru/8579-nemeckiy-kaz.html
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 26 December 2013 20: 22
      +3
      Quote: MUD
      I'm more interested in methods and means of countering these devices.

      Kartech! laughing And the dirt.
      But seriously, the fire of small arms, fragmentation, especially shrapnel type, artillery shells.
      To develop this armament direction is, of course, necessary.
      At the same time, one should not over complicate the system and, by all means, provide for a system of "manual" duplication.
      It is not necessary to install a complex and expensive remotely controlled module on an light and cheap armored personnel carrier.
  7. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 26 December 2013 13: 03
    +1
    Hit the optics eyes of the electronics.
    1. Impact
      Impact 26 December 2013 21: 11
      0
      Quote: Sadykoff
      Hit the optics eyes of the electronics.

      Future armor

      Armor of the future: plastic and non-deformable
      http://topwar.ru/34449-bronya-buduschego-plastikovaya-i-nedeformiruyuschayasya.h
      tml

      “Materials that change their transparency and reflectivity can be used to protect airborne sensors from attacks by laser weapons.”
      http://paralay.com/laser.html
    2. The comment was deleted.
  8. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 December 2013 13: 28
    +3
    Remote-controlled combat modules are a super thing.

    Important for both the main and auxiliary tools. The future lies with them.
    Plus: the shooter can be located in the most protected place of the combat vehicle, and not directly in the weapon tower.
    Minus: when jamming and when reloading, you will have to get out.

    Thanks to the author for the translation.

    Photo: Machine-gun mount UDP T05BV-1 of the T-90MS tank.
    Straight "blooper" ...
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 27 December 2013 13: 20
      0
      My regards! hi
      I wonder for what reasons such an installation is not put on the modernized tanks?
      Of all our BTT tank ZPUs, in my opinion, is the very first candidate to replace such a system. Moreover, closed-type switchgear as well. There are also a number of serious flaws.
  9. washi
    washi 26 December 2013 13: 39
    0
    I don’t remember where I read it, but "solid-state electronics is easier (compared to tube electronics) to be destroyed by EMP".
    I mean that we have to choose: in what conditions there will be battles.
    If internal conflicts, or peacekeeping operations (i.e. against the Papuans), then the armament is one. And if in a global brawl with the use of modern weapons, then another.
    For the "Papuans", both local and foreign, there should be one weapon and part.
    For the global mochilov, there must be something else.
    And in vain divisions were abolished in our country because with a round-robin defense they could hold a large territory. And if there is a cropped one in this territory, then organize the draft, preparation of the military-medical unit and the offensive. (saving civilians by itself)
    Brigades are convenient only for offensive in difficult terrain.
    So far, the Divisions have decided to return only near Moscow.
    And the rest again in the partisans?
  10. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 26 December 2013 15: 58
    +1
    Why are not domestic developments presented?
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 26 December 2013 19: 44
      +2
      Yes, I put a minus to the article, simply because, according to the logic of the article, the best modules are obtained only somewhere there over the hill, but we have a kind of dull one. However, there are modules no worse and even better
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 27 December 2013 05: 18
        0
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Yes, I put a minus to the article, simply because, according to the logic of the article, the best modules are obtained only somewhere there over the hill, but we have a kind of dull one. However, there are modules no worse and even better


        And the evidence that there is better?
        Well there ... the test results at least ... otherwise Protector seems to have passed a couple of wars, everyone is happy. And in response, only the belief that everything ours that was shown at the exhibition by definition was better ...
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 27 December 2013 06: 19
          0
          Quote: cdrt
          Quote: vladsolo56
          Yes, I put a minus to the article, simply because, according to the logic of the article, the best modules are obtained only somewhere there over the hill, but we have a kind of dull one. However, there are modules no worse and even better


          And the evidence that there is better?
          Well there ... the test results at least ... otherwise Protector seems to have passed a couple of wars, everyone is happy. And in response, only the belief that everything ours that was shown at the exhibition by definition was better ...

          The fact that the Moscow Region does not order due to lack of money or something else is not a fact that we do not have and that we have worse.
  11. Turkestan
    Turkestan 26 December 2013 16: 20
    +1
    Quote: makarov
    Upon reading the material, one feeling crushes: - I envy

    What to envy? We have, such installations from ANCIENT TIMES were called DB-65U with tube ABC. Installed on aircraft TU-16, IL-28, Tu-95, An-12 slightly upgraded to IL-76, Tu-22, etc. Nothing new.
  12. Lech
    Lech 26 December 2013 17: 18
    +6
    And here is our combat module!
  13. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 26 December 2013 18: 57
    +4
    Despite some mistakes, the article as a whole is necessary and contains useful information.
    These days, I think it’s useful to know about technical innovations in the weapons system for self-education.
    I think that this idea with remotely controlled weapons is already firmly entrenched in the heads of military and engineers around the world. And in the future, these systems will only develop, given their capabilities and advantages in using them somehow:
    1.protection of the operator from the direct impact of enemy fire,
    2. the ability to detect the target at a distance inaccessible to the naked eye of the shooter,
    3. the ability to use the HB channel, as well as infrared and thermal imaging, to monitor and aim at night and in conditions of insufficient visibility over a fairly distant distance (which is also not available to the arrow with the naked eye).
    4. The ability to improve these parameters by introducing new technologies and methods of observation and aiming (modernization of existing and creation of new equipment of a similar plan).
    In this regard, the helmet-mounted (either a visor as an additional helmet mounted on the helmet, or a special helmet-visor for the operator) system for ground combat equipment will not look incredible in the near future. If in the Air Force already in use, why not implement it for CB as well.
    It is also possible to make the monitoring system work in automatic mode to help the operator (similar technologies are already used in security video surveillance systems).
  14. Professor
    Professor 26 December 2013 19: 03
    +3
    In general article +, however:
    1. The link in the article is broken
    2. The list of DBMs is far from complete and the leading companies remained behind the scenes.
    1. poquello
      poquello 26 December 2013 20: 40
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      In general article +, however:
      1. The link in the article is broken
      2. The list of DBMs is far from complete and the leading companies remained behind the scenes.

      That's right professor, "Adunok-M" is now forgotten
      “The complex can“ memorize ”up to twenty targets and fire at them in an automated mode. The system itself will fire at targets with a given number of bursts, with a given number of cartridges in each turn and in a given sequence. We have not yet seen shooting at moving targets among competitors. using an auto-tracking system. Although many claim they have it. "
      And with cord together, it's generally a fairy tale. Death to all flies for 2 kilometers.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 27 December 2013 05: 20
        0
        Quote: poquello
        Quote: Professor
        In general article +, however:
        1. The link in the article is broken
        2. The list of DBMs is far from complete and the leading companies remained behind the scenes.

        That's right professor, "Adunok-M" is now forgotten
        “The complex can“ memorize ”up to twenty targets and fire at them in an automated mode. The system itself will fire at targets with a given number of bursts, with a given number of cartridges in each turn and in a given sequence. We have not yet seen shooting at moving targets among competitors. using an auto-tracking system. Although many claim they have it. "
        And with cord together, it's generally a fairy tale. Death to all flies for 2 kilometers.


        Judging by the best, as what is best bought (this is usually the strongest argument when comparing (length measures laughing ) T-90 with other tanks), then Adunok somewhere far from in the top ten models will be
        1. poquello
          poquello 27 December 2013 19: 30
          +1
          Quote: cdrt
          Quote: poquello
          ... "Adunok-M" is now forgotten
          “The complex can“ memorize ”up to twenty targets and fire at them in an automated mode. The system itself will fire at targets with a given number of bursts, with a given number of cartridges in each turn and in a given sequence. We have not yet seen shooting at moving targets among competitors. using an auto-tracking system. Although many claim they have it. "
          And with cord together, it's generally a fairy tale. Death to all flies for 2 kilometers.


          Judging by the best, as what is best bought (this is usually the strongest argument when comparing (length measures laughing ) T-90 with other tanks), then Adunok somewhere far from in the top ten models will be

          Duc it is not PR, because they themselves need.
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  15. Impact
    Impact 26 December 2013 20: 07
    +2
    FN Herstal deFNder M3P
    Caliber: 12.7x99
    Rate of fire: 1,025 ± 75 rounds per minute (for a short time).
  16. Booby
    Booby 26 December 2013 20: 34
    +1
    There was a case in Chechnya, in December 1999, during the assault on Grozny, militants disabled BMPs, smashing all the triplexes on the tower and near the driver’s mechanic with sniper fire.
    And here I look, lenses are no less than triplexes ...
    1. Impact
      Impact 26 December 2013 20: 44
      -1
      Quote: Bukh
      There was a case in Chechnya, in December 1999, during the assault on Grozny, militants disabled BMPs, smashing all the triplexes on the tower and near the driver’s mechanic with sniper fire.
      And here I look, lenses are no less than triplexes ...


      Future armor


      Armor of the future: plastic and non-deformable
      http://topwar.ru/34449-bronya-buduschego-plastikovaya-i-nedeformiruyuschayasya.h
      tml
      1. Booby
        Booby 26 December 2013 20: 52
        0
        Well then, one hit from an RPG will be enough?
        1. Impact
          Impact 26 December 2013 21: 08
          0
          Quote: Bukh
          Well then, one hit from an RPG will be enough?

          I'm afraid not...
          German KAZ
          http://topwar.ru/8579-nemeckiy-kaz.html
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        3. cdrt
          cdrt 27 December 2013 05: 21
          0
          Quote: Bukh
          Well then, one hit from an RPG will be enough?


          I completely agree. There is a solution even better - volley of the division of tornadoes laughing
          1. Impact
            Impact 27 December 2013 13: 52
            -1
            Quote: cdrt
            I completely agree. There is a solution even better - volley of the division of tornadoes laughing

            We will not trifle! OTRK Iskander will kill any modern armored personnel carrier!
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      2. Rex
        Rex 27 December 2013 09: 39
        0
        RPGs are also developing.
        It is convenient for manufacturers to use the simplest ones for demonstration. And what would happen to this APC when fired from an RPG-30 or its analogue?
        What will happen to this system (and similar ones) shoot armored-piercing infantry squad on it?
        What will happen to the sighting system of any modern tank when 10-20 shells from an obsolete BMP-2 or their Bradley hit the turret?
        For technology, the cost-effectiveness indicator is important, and the proposed protection systems are sometimes thousands of times higher than the cost of weapons.

        In the Union, the branch regularly had 1 RPG, 2 PG and PKK. In Chechnya, a group of 6-12 people could have each RPG-18 and PG-25, and instead of the PKK - PKM
        1. Impact
          Impact 27 December 2013 14: 20
          -1
          Quote: Rex
          RPGs are also developing.
          It is convenient for manufacturers to use the simplest ones for demonstration. And what would happen to this APC when fired from an RPG-30 or its analogue?

          Trophy pokh. on the type of RPG, as it knocks at a great distance from the armored car.
          TROPHY LIGHT
          http://topwar.ru/16637-mirovaya-premera-oblegchennogo-kaz-trophy.html

          Quote: Rex
          What will happen to this system (and similar ones) shoot armored-piercing infantry squad on it?

          Cover with armor from 7.62 / 12.7.
          Clear ceramic stops armor-piercing bullets
          “ALON is polycrystalline, and it’s completely transparent ceramics with grains ranging in size from 80 to 250 microns. In appearance, the ALON-a plate resembles sapphire. ”
          “In the tests, a transparent double-glazed window, composed of several layers of ALON, glass and polymer, perfectly withstood several successive hits of 7,62 mm caliber armor-piercing rifle bullets. At the same time, this package had half the weight than traditional bulletproof glass with similar stopping properties. ”
          “The only thing that holds back the mass adoption of ALON is 3-5 times more expensive than traditional bulletproof glass. In addition, large investments are required for the construction of furnaces in which material could be obtained on an industrial scale. ”
          http://www.membrana.ru/particle/9303

          Quote: Rex
          What will happen to the sighting system of any modern tank when 10-20 shells from an obsolete BMP-2 or their Bradley hit the turret?

          First, the F-35 / AH-64 will carry out tanks / infantry fighting vehicles, then the remnants will finish off the ground forces.

          Quote: Rex
          For technology, the cost-effectiveness indicator is important, and the proposed protection systems are sometimes thousands of times higher than the cost of weapons.

          "Do not regret Vankov - women give birth to new ones!"
          1. Rex
            Rex 28 December 2013 09: 31
            -1
            The approach of an amateur theorist is felt.
            If you believe the Internet resources, then in 2016 the United States will be armed with a tank with an electromagnetic gun

            He began to read military literature from 1985.
            I remember the first photos of the F-22 prototypes and the first crashed and terribly secret F-117 ...
            Most of the materials have not changed much.
            Little has got into the series. Phased arrays became the norm, AZ began to be placed on armored vehicles (so far on a smaller part).
            Back in the 90s, the British were experimenting with a 3 7,62-barrel machine gun controlled by a radar that was supposed to shoot down the PTR.

            1 Someday, not soon, transparent armor will appear, but so far the windshield of presidential limousines weighing under 500 kg does not withstand 10 shots from AK. And 3 bullets hitting close make it "weakly transparent"

            2. Sniper, before the shot, there is no real detect yet. In the cacophony of battle, when dozens of barrels work on both sides, including larger calibers, grenades explode - well, if you learn in 50 years.
            And to sit still and wait until it will work out clearly.

            3. We assume the F-35 and the Apaches will arrive after a month of raids "take out" all the radar, air defense system and so on. Only the "ground forces" in Iraq and Afghanistan are somehow weakly coping with the "finishing off".

            And about "women give birth" - one stupid said, while others are quoting.
            When a person has nothing to say personally, it remains to give links and sprinkle with other people's quotes
            Even if we do not take into account the value of human life, the "human resource", although replenishing, is very expensive. A dozen well-trained soldiers are worth at least no less than any tank.

            And as they say:
            "We are not gods of war, but slurry,
            Our business is simple - die but survive"
            1. Impact
              Impact 28 December 2013 18: 18
              -1
              Quote: Rex
              If you believe the Internet resources, then in 2016 the United States will be armed with a tank with an electromagnetic gun

              It depends on what to read. There are normal Internet resources, but there are yellow ones.
              The transparent ceramic armor from the article is already being offered for use in military equipment.
              Link to the manufacturer's website: http://www.surmet.com/index.php

              Quote: Rex
              He began to read military literature from 1985.
              I remember the first photos of prototypes F-22 and the first crashed and terribly secret F-117 ...

              Did GRU write out literature?

              Quote: Rex
              AZ began to put on armored vehicles (while on a smaller part)

              Only in Israel.

              Quote: Rex
              1 Someday, not soon, transparent armor will appear, but so far the windshield of presidential limousines weighing under 500 kg does not withstand 10 shots from AK. And 3 bullets hitting close make it "weakly transparent"

              Immediately obvious - "specialist."

              Already there are bulletproof glass (including Russian-made) capable of withstanding several shots 14,5 mm cartridge with armor-piercing incendiary bullet B-32 (index 57-B3-561) from a heavy machine gun. The thickness of this glass is 128 mm.
              Link to the manufacturer's website: http://www.magist.ru/main.mhtml?Part=17&PubID=86

              Such bulletproof glass was developed for the Russian armored car Typhoon.
              Transparent ceramic armor is already offered for use in military equipment. (Though it is losing transparency after firing)
              See above.
              1. Rex
                Rex 31 December 2013 11: 09
                0
                There is no time to answer in detail - a lot of work at the end of the year. On holidays somehow.

                I will only comment on the last.
                The latest generation of Pulman MB is equipped with Italian glasses.
                They "shoot" them 7,62-51 with a lead core.
                I wrote thickness and weight on average - there are many manufacturers and standards are different.
                BMW 5/7, S-class, Tahoe, Kruiser and another row with similar protection for more than 20 years, I have seen more than once and not five. And I did not see the shot glasses either in the pictures.
                And only from memory, not rummaging through the websites of manufacturers, I wrote quite authentically: according to the link given for SVD 155kg / m2. And this is now and most likely for flat. Given the width, height and bend, the frontal on the executive will weigh at least 300. On the "seven" 10 years ago, the windshield weighed about half a ton.
                About "opacity" I meant in the places of impact - sitting in the car opposite the point of impact of 2-3 bullets you won't see much.
                Unfortunately, I can’t bring a hole from two bursts (6-7 bullets) from the AKM in the door. I didn’t have a mass mobile with a photo then. Yes, I would - there would be no desire to capture it.
                You can search similar on the net
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            3. Impact
              Impact 28 December 2013 18: 20
              -1
              Quote: Rex
              2. Sniper, before the shot, there is no real detect yet. In the cacophony of battle, when dozens of barrels work on both sides, including larger calibers, grenades explode - well if in 50 years to learn.

              Do not carry nonsense !!!
              There are laser systems for detecting snipers that can detect optics even before firing, as well as blind a sniper.
              Antisniper
              http://topwar.ru/11687-malogabaritnaya-lokacionnaya-lazernaya-apparatura-dlya-vy
              yavleniya-snayperov-antisnayper.html

              Quote: Rex
              3. We assume the F-35 and the Apaches will arrive after a month of raids "take out" all the radar, air defense system and so on.

              That's right. First, air defense will be suppressed.

              Quote: Rex
              Only the "ground forces" in Iraq and Afghanistan are somehow weakly coping with the "finishing off".

              Losses are clearly less than the USSR.

              “According to the ministries of defense of the United States, Britain and Australia, as well as the independent Internet site iCasualties.org, as of December 3, 2013, during the operation “Enduring Freedom”, the forces of the international coalition lost 3 military personnel dead. Most of the casualties are related to a military operation in Afghanistan, but the casualty figure for the United States includes a number of US troops killed in the Philippines, Djibouti, and some other countries. Both combat and non-combat losses were taken into account. ”

              Quote: Rex
              When a person has nothing to say personally, it remains to give links and sprinkle with other people's quotes

              Do you have something to say ???
              You are carrying out a frank delirium !!!
              Quote: Rex
              in the meantime, the windshield of presidential limousines weighing 500 kg does not withstand 10 shots from AK

              Quote: Rex
              Sniper, before the shot, there is no real detect yet.

              Link to the manufacturer’s website doesn’t mean anything to you ???
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    3. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 26 December 2013 21: 13
      +3
      However, much less sniper projection. If you want to stay with "eyes", kill the sniper first ... Moreover, the sniper is not able to destroy the optics on the moving vehicle. Maneuver and you will be alive ...
      1. Rex
        Rex 27 December 2013 09: 57
        0
        It is not worth armored vehicles without preliminary fire processing and their own infantry to climb not the position of foreign infantry at the range of its effective fire.
        They have little chance of spotting the sniper first.
        And the final reaction of the module is clearly lower than the reaction of a single shooter
        1. Impact
          Impact 27 December 2013 14: 28
          -1
          Quote: Rex
          They have little chance of spotting the sniper first.

          Acoustic / laser sniper detection systems.
  17. SkyMaXX
    SkyMaXX 26 December 2013 21: 03
    +1
    By the way, not a single foreign tank has a remote module with a machine gun, such as on the T-90.
    But the war in Syria has shown that such modules are needed, Syrian tankers are not using an external turret with an anti-aircraft machine gun now, militant snipers are not sleeping, and getting into the gunner is worthless.
  18. Bezyana God
    Bezyana God 27 December 2013 01: 53
    +1
    ____ Something about PM "Uprava-Kord" is not said. On the "Raptor" from PELLA is already installed, so they could stick it here. And then from the article it feels like Russia has nothing like this
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 27 December 2013 05: 23
      +1
      Quote: Bezyana God
      ____ Something about PM "Uprava-Kord" is not said. On the "Raptor" from PELLA is already installed, so they could stick it here. And then from the article it feels like Russia has nothing like this


      Yes - it’s when they adopted it as part of anything. Display at an exhibition is a bit different
  19. Rex
    Rex 27 December 2013 10: 31
    -1
    With the constant development of means for armored vehicles to destroy the infantry, it is time to introduce cumulative shots for the GP and AGS.
    And in each compartment 20-25 mm barrel for shooting sights, with a maximum range of 1-2 km
    1. Impact
      Impact 27 December 2013 14: 39
      -1
      Quote: Rex
      With the constant development of means for armored vehicles to destroy the infantry, it is time to introduce cumulative shots for the GP and AGS.

      Will you get from the gas station from 350 meters to the turret when driving an armored personnel carrier?

      Quote: Rex
      And in each compartment 20-25 mm barrel for shooting sights, with a maximum range of 1-2 km

      From 2 kilometers will you get into sight when moving an armored personnel carrier?
      1. Rex
        Rex 28 December 2013 10: 07
        0
        1 A big plus of the AGS in this case is the work on the areas and a decent range.
        At the same time, in view of the high probability of defeat by return fire, it is better to work from a closed position. In this case, the target will be hit in the upper hemisphere, which, taking into account the small size and the total number of VOGs, will reduce the effectiveness of intercepting the target’s AZ.

        2. Weapons of 20-25 mm caliber make sense to be introduced with the obligatory presence of a cumulative charge. The ammunition nomenclature is cumulative, armor-piercing, fragmentation with a programmable range.
        Why is it necessary to shoot a sight from 2 km? You can hit the chassis, in armored cars - glass.
        From 1 km it is already possible to work on externally installed weapons, ammunition, sights.
        Calculate to do 1 (maximum 2-3 shots at the "tempo") and change position.

        About the shorter ranges.
        At one time in Italy consisted in the production of 12x70 cumulative cartridges.
        Used, for example, in Spas-15. Judging by the manufacturer, it’s quite effective
        You can do similar for KSK. A good tool at ranges up to 100 m.

        The experience of wars shows that a well-trained, well-coordinated and properly armed infantry can adequately withstand any threats on the battlefield - be it fighting elephants or tanks with helicopters
        1. Impact
          Impact 28 December 2013 18: 40
          0
          Quote: Rex
          1 A big plus of the AGS in this case is the work on the areas and a decent range.
          At the same time, in view of the high probability of defeat by return fire, it is better to work from a closed position.

          Do you want to get cumulative shots from a closed position from an ACS into a turret? Are you smelling glue ???
          The MRAP cumulative shot of the AGS is unlikely to pierce. But you won’t get into the turret.

          Quote: Rex
          Why is it necessary to shoot a sight from 2 km?

          You yourself wrote this:
          Quote: Rex
          And in each compartment 20-25 mm barrel for shooting sights, with a maximum range of 1-2 km


          Quote: Rex
          Why is it necessary to shoot a sight from 2 km? You can hit the chassis, in armored cars - glass.

          With such a range when driving an armored personnel carrier you will not get into a small bulletproof glass.

          Quote: Rex
          From 1 km it is already possible to work on externally installed weapons, ammunition, sights.
          Calculate to do 1 (maximum 2-3 shots at the "tempo") and change position.

          Sniper detection systems will make such tactics ineffective.

          Quote: Rex
          At one time in Italy consisted in the production of 12x70 cumulative cartridges.
          Used, for example, in Spas-15. Judging by the manufacturer, it’s quite effective
          You can do similar for KSK. A good tool at ranges up to 100 m.

          What is their initial speed? What is the trajectory? What can penetrate?

          Quote: Rex
          The experience of wars shows that a well-trained, well-coordinated and properly armed infantry can adequately withstand any threats on the battlefield - be it fighting elephants or tanks with helicopters

          Have you already made a 30-mm anti-material “rifle”?
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  20. nightingale
    nightingale 27 December 2013 11: 34
    0
    Something similar on our old tanks was only without optics.
  21. poquello
    poquello 27 December 2013 19: 40
    +1

    "Within the framework of cooperation with the Russian Federation, prototypes are being tested at the V. A. Degtyarev plant and at the Izhevsk mechanical plant, where small arms are produced and tested."
    1. Impact
      Impact 27 December 2013 20: 50
      -2
      Control: radio channel
      That is, it is worth using electronic warfare and Adunok will become useless ...

      That is why the Americans are developing autonomous robots.
      United States in search of autonomous combat robots
      http://topwar.ru/35008-ssha-v-poiske-avtonomnyh-boevyh-robotov.html
      1. poquello
        poquello 27 December 2013 21: 04
        +1
        Quote: Impact
        Control: radio channel
        That is, it is worth using electronic warfare and Adunok will become useless ...

        That is why the Americans are developing autonomous robots.
        United States in search of autonomous combat robots
        http://topwar.ru/35008-ssha-v-poiske-avtonomnyh-boevyh-robotov.html

        If you throw a grenade also, you can damage it.
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    2. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 27 December 2013 22: 59
      +2
      Nice thing, but the article was about remote-controlled modules for armored vehicles.
      1. poquello
        poquello 27 December 2013 23: 08
        +1
        Quote: wanderer_032
        Nice thing, but the article was about remote-controlled modules for armored vehicles.

        And he doesn’t care where to stand, they plan on tigers, the chip is auto tracking of the target.
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