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Question of the day: will the Black Sea Fleet be upgraded?

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The Russian Black Sea fleet has been on guard over the country's frontiers for more than 200 years. The main base of the Soviet and Russian ships on the Black Sea was Sevastopol, while the rest of the Black Sea ports played a supporting role.

Recall that the capture of Sevastopol by the Germans in 1942 year sharply worsened the position of the Soviet troops in the Crimea. The Germans began to dominate here, despite the fact that they had insignificant naval forces: a few landing barges and small universal ships (used as transports and cargo carriers), small submarines and boats.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union between Ukraine and Russia in 1997, an agreement was signed on the conditions for the Black Sea Fleet to stay on Crimean territory. Duration of the Black Sea fleet in Ukraine was installed - until May 28, 2017. Time has passed.

Unfortunately, the main base of the Russian Black Sea fleet can now only be talked about in the past tense. This situation was not even corrected by the signing in Kharkov in 2010 of the agreement between the Russian and Ukrainian parties on an agreement on the establishment of a lease term for the Russian Black Sea Fleet bases in the Crimea after 2017. The text of the agreement defines the extension of the lease term for 25 years with the possibility, subsequently, of extending the terms by another 5 years. This agreement was ratified both by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine and the State Duma of the Russian Federation. It should be noted that the agreement does not speak about the Russian naval base in the Crimea, but about the basing point of the Russian fleet. From this it follows that Russia does not have a naval base at any point in the Crimea.

A situation has arisen when there are a dozen objects belonging to the Russian Federation in the territory of Sevastopol: berths, administrative buildings, warehouses, lighthouses, etc. and they are located on the territory of sovereign Ukraine. Infrastructure objects of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation scattered throughout the Crimean territory allow the Ukrainian authorities to paralyze their work at any time. For example, during the presidency of Yushchenko, local authorities violated the work of the Black Sea Fleet administration under the pretext of repairing streets or imposing bans on the movement of armed Russian subdivisions in Ukraine.

Also in Sevastopol, Western Ukrainian ultranationalists have repeatedly appeared, who are seeking to block the work of objects of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. By the way, these “raids by zapadentsevs” occur during the presidency of V. Yanukovich. For example, in August 2011, members of the Student Fraternity organization held a civil action, the purpose of which was to transfer all the Crimean lighthouses to Ukraine. It got to the point that activists of the nationalist organization penetrated into the territory of the Russian lighthouse "Sarych" and hung out signs about the belonging of this lighthouse to Ukraine. The Ukrainian authorities do not support such actions, but do not hinder their implementation.

Also, if the authorities wish, it is very easy to block the exit of Russian ships through the narrow passage of the Sevastopol Bay. So, at the entrance to the Quarantine Bay, where the point of deployment of Russian missile boats is located, the Ukrainian authorities allowed the deployment of private yachts, and they can at any time prevent Russian naval equipment from entering the sea.

After the division of the Black Sea Fleet between the two states, Russia was left without a coastline defense, since all coastal batteries, mobile and stationary missile systems had moved to Ukraine. Only the 30-I tower battery was transferred to the Russian side, which was already designed as a museum of military glory - that is, was at the time of transmission is not a fighting unit.

From the previously powerful air defense system of the Crimea, the Russian side moved only one anti-aircraft missile regiment (1096), which has been on the 66 peninsula for years. In service with the regiment 18 launchers "Osa". And although, for the moment, the regiment is active - it is partially reduced. To maintain the regiment’s combat readiness, retrofitting is urgently needed because the old equipment is not able to perform the assigned tasks, and therefore the armament must be replaced with newer models of military equipment.

Everyone is aware of the ongoing conflict between Ukraine and the Russian Federation related to the supply of gas. And the Russian Black Sea fleet has become a bargaining chip in this dispute. At the time of the intensification of the confrontation, Kiev presented demands for an inventory of the facilities of the Black Sea fleet located in Ukraine. It came even to the forceful seizure of lighthouses belonging to Russia.

It should be noted that not only the Russian, but also the Ukrainian side are well aware that without the new ships and modern equipment, the Black Sea Fleet will cease to exist as an operational-strategic alliance of the Russian armed forces.

At present, there are agreements that prohibit the Russian side from replacing old Black Sea Fleet ships with new ones and even modernizing them, as well as equipping combat units with new modern weapons systems. As a result of these agreements with 1991, the Russian Black Sea Fleet does not receive new weapons. For example, the Russian BOD "Smetlivy", stationed in the Crimea, for years 17 has been frightening the enemy with empty containers for missiles. A missile cruiser "Moscow" was able to conduct training firing only twice - in the 2002 and 2006 years in the Indian and Atlantic oceans. But in the waters of the Black Sea to the Russian cruiser, the Ukrainian authorities have banned any firing of anti-aircraft missiles and anti-ship missiles. Another flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the anti-submarine ship Kerch, is in excellent condition, but the crew is staffed by less than 10% - instead of 425 people, there are 40 on the ship. According to the standards, BPC Kerch has an 35 daily readiness for going to sea and, of course, it is impossible to form a full-fledged crew in such a period. Another Russian BOD, Ochakov, which experienced seventeen-year repairs at the Sevastopol Marine Plant, was withdrawn from the Black Sea Fleet as a combat unit in 2011 and is currently being prepared for scrapping. And now no one can tell where the significant funds allocated for the repair of the ship from 1991 to 2008 were spent.

With the 247-m division of submarines of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, based in Sevastopol, absolutely unbelievable things happen - there are control bodies of the division, but there are no submarines. Thus, the submarine B-871 built in 1990 of the year registered in the division, after participating in 2011 in the international rescue operation, stood for more than a year on scheduled repairs in Kronstadt, which led to a failure in the crew’s combat training that saw native Crimean shores only in the autumn of 2012 of the year. The second submarine is locked in a rotten float from time to time and no one knows how to extract it from there. Excursions organized by Sevastopol travel agencies to the South Bay look like a mockery, where the PSZ-50 charging station, which used to be the C-49 submarine, is shown to inquisitive tourists. And although outwardly it looks decent, but the former combat unit of the Russian Black Sea Fleet cannot fulfill its main function. Before 1991, the Black Sea fleet had 40 submarines, now one. But the main enemy - the Turkish Navy, the number of submarines during this time increased to 16.

The Soviet Navy was proud of its floating hospitals, which were equipped with modern equipment and staffed by professional staff. On board they could do the most complex operations. The hospital ship Yenisei has been standing in the South Bay of Sevastopol for a long time - the equipment has been taken away, the hotel functions informally on the ship.

Surprisingly, today, the most reliable support and protection of the Russian Black Sea sites in the territory of Sevastopol is the pro-Russian population of the city. It was they who defended the Black Sea Fleet from the landings of the “zapadentsev” and the aggressive actions of the Ukrainian authorities. For example, in the 2008 year, when the city authorities attempted to install a memorial plaque in honor of the anniversary of the creation of the Ukrainian fleet, the outraged people of Sevastopol disrupted the installation of the board, took it to the center of the bay and flooded it. Neither the numerous police officers nor the Marines of the Naval forces of Ukraine could prevent them.

Moscow understands that under any authority in Ukraine, the Ukrainization of Sevastopol will continue, with the simultaneous squeezing of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. However, the matter is not even in this aggressive behavior of Kiev - after all, everyone understands that time is lost, and without modern ships and new weapons, the Russian Black Sea fleet will become operetta.

It should be noted that one of the negotiators on the modernization of the Russian Black Sea Fleet says that the negotiation process is very difficult. But, the Russian side is confident that it will be possible to reach the necessary agreements on the re-equipment of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. This confidence is confirmed by the program for the re-equipment of the Black Sea Fleet, approved by the Russian president. It includes the construction of new modern ships and submarines, as well as equipping the Black Sea Fleet with a new aviation equipment and weapons.

Confidence that the Black Sea Fleet will be modernized is also confirmed by the protocol of the 6 meeting of the Russian-Ukrainian commission from December 17 of December 2013 signed by the parties. The protocol instructs to prepare for signing bilateral agreements "On the replacement of armaments and military equipment of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation based in Ukraine. ..... to step up work on the coordination of other draft agreements on the functioning of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and its stay in Ukraine".

Materials used:
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http://vpk.name/news/76609_bez_novyih_korablei_i_vooruzhenii.html
http://patrioty.info/content/view/80821/35/
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  1. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. 23 December 2013 08: 59
    +7
    Ukraine received another gift at the expense of the Russian people in the tens of billions of dollars. I won’t be surprised if again they will not allow us sworn to renew the fleet and infrastructure. And they will still demand huge billions for it.
    1. makarov
      makarov 23 December 2013 09: 07
      0
      SW Nikolay.
      Be realistic. If you call interest credit a gift, then it suddenly changed a lot. The media clearly describes what to rearm, and regulatory documents on this have been signed. So why drive the wave?
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 23 December 2013 09: 10
        +11
        Do you believe that Ukraine is able to repay this loan? A gift he is.
        1. AVV
          AVV 23 December 2013 14: 01
          +2
          The Chinese are very tough for non-return on money loans react !!! We must also learn from them !!!
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 23 December 2013 19: 14
          +1
          And this is a common practice - they give a loan not in order to get back with interest, but in order to have leverage.
      2. Fin
        Fin 23 December 2013 09: 23
        +2
        Quote: makarov
        If you call interest credit a gift, then it suddenly changed a lot.

        Again, this is not so. Dough is small, and the interest is huge .... With such brothers you will go around the world. And the fact that pensions, including you personally, will be paid from this, are we obligated?
        1. makarov
          makarov 23 December 2013 09: 33
          0
          I get my pension for being wounded in 1986, and it’s not for you to tell or blame me about this.
          1. Fin
            Fin 23 December 2013 10: 31
            +3
            Quote: makarov
            and it’s not for you to talk or blame me about this.

            Did I rebuke you? I stated a fact. You are unhappy with everything, went to borrow money from a neighbor and they also accused him of not giving it that way.
            1. makarov
              makarov 23 December 2013 11: 51
              0
              I have life principles, not when, and no one, to not borrow .. but about loans (?), This is generally in my opinion KABALA
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 23 December 2013 12: 02
                +7
                I respect you. But you do not take, but the whole of Ukraine. If you took from the EU, then - at exorbitant prices and without heating. stop
                1. makarov
                  makarov 23 December 2013 13: 28
                  0
                  Are you sure that Ukraine will get something from this? Takes Yanukovych, under the word "Ukraine", so you should not ... put on shoes in bast shoes. Literally fresh infa, the eldest son of Yanukovych received 86 lyamov in a tender for the repair of a mine ... If a different creditor gave, and with the right to control under specific programs, and even with the right to apply sanctions against thieves from the authorities, then we could talk about obtaining loan by Ukraine.
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 23 December 2013 17: 23
                    +6
                    What to argue about loans.
                    It is better to recall the situation generated by two idiot criminals: Khrushchev, who illegally "donated" Crimea to Ukraine and Yeltsin, who destroyed his signature in Belovezhskaya Pushcha of the USSR, and did not raise the question of returning the "gift of friendship" - Crimea to Russia.

                    Recently, in one of the articles devoted to Ukraine, a security officer of Ukraine spoke about forecasts of the development of the situation in Ukraine and specifically in Crimea.
                    I recall:
                    In Sevastopol, more than 50% of the Russian-speaking population of retirement age, young people leave the city after school because they have no prospects in the "city of Russian glory", which raises the question of the existence of Russian identity in the city, and, accordingly, in Crimea in the next 10-20 years.
                    And second Crimea is saturated with pro-Turkish-minded Tatars, among whom Wahhabi youth who grew up in Crimea, dreaming of the revival of an Islamic state in Crimea with the support of Turkey.
                    Representatives of this youth, who are now fighting in Syria, after the end of the Syrian events, will return to Crimea and, with the support of Islamic mercenaries and "Western democracy" led by the United States, can, with a high degree of probability, launch hostilities in Crimea for its secession.
                    Ukraine, torn by internal contradictions, cannot cope with this situation and can not only lose Crimea, but also fall apart into separate states.

                    Russia can save the situation, but it cannot fight in the Crimea, and what is the point of "carrying chestnuts" for the "brothers."
                    The way out, in my opinion, should be in concluding an Agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the joint use and possession of Crimea, based on the historical realities of the situation.
                    1. terminator_163
                      terminator_163 24 December 2013 01: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: vladimirZ
                      The way out, in my opinion, should be in concluding an Agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the joint use and possession of Crimea, based on the historical realities of the situation.

                      Crimea should belong to Russia, and the point !!!
                      1. vladimirZ
                        vladimirZ 24 December 2013 05: 22
                        +1
                        terminator_163
                        Crimea should belong to Russia, and the point !!!


                        And how do you imagine to achieve this by breaking off relations with Ukraine, or maybe a war?
                        You must be realistic. In this situation, Crimea should belong on equal footing to Ukraine and Russia, which will bring together and unite the two states on the defense of Crimea from the Islamic threat of complete seizure and subsequent political instability throughout the region.
                      2. papik09
                        papik09 24 December 2013 06: 02
                        +1
                        Well you drove. And I agree with vladimirZ. And send Crimean Wahhabis to ... not a mother laughing
                      3. vladimirZ
                        vladimirZ 24 December 2013 06: 46
                        0
                        papik09 SU Today, 06:02 ↑
                        Well you drove.


                        Dear papik09, to whom are you commenting "WELL YOU FUCKED"?
                        Who put me on the blacklist and secretly gives comments to my opinion. Which is at least ugly.
                        "Dear" unknown, although I guess who you are, would you deign to "open your face" or not comment on my opinion.
                        It will be fair.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 23 December 2013 11: 56
      +3
      Do you want an interest-free gift at the expense of Russian taxpayers? No.
    3. sanych
      sanych 23 December 2013 12: 18
      +4
      And why minus something? The person wrote it correctly - the agreement was signed! And all VO members of the forum know that new ships are already being built. Or 6 frigates of pr. 11356 not updating the ship's composition? Only "Moscow" is more powerful than them. The rest of the available ships are not even close. "Bora" and "Samum" have shock weapons, but no air defense. There is nothing to say about the rest - a couple of old patrol boats and landing ships. Plus to frigates 6 submarines. So in vain you, dear comrades, are making you sad! And about blocking the exit of warships by private yachts - in general nonsense! In August 2008 they tried to close the entrance to the bay to our ships returning from the coast of Georgia with a missile boat, so what? We entered as it should be for the winners - with a proudly waving St. Andrew's flag! And the boat skidded to the side laughing And here about the yachts .... Not only the Black Sea Fleet will be updated, but it will again become one. At least I really hope so!
    4. Ustas77
      Ustas77 23 December 2013 16: 09
      -5
      What a gift, dear ???
      This is a regular loan, at interest, the size of which suits everyone, including your Pu. By analogy, as a gas contract in 2009, which you consider fair, which set the price of gas for fraternal Ukraine the highest in Europe ...
      But as a matter of fact, Russia itself turned its fleet, and even more so the Black Sea Fleet, into a pile of rusting scrap metal. And now, a couple of warships on campaigns are accompanied by the same number of tugboats ... just in case ...))) So the Americans laugh and there is no threat ... The only thing on the level is nuclear weapons. Not yet. Everything rests on Soviet missiles and developments. On the backlog of the USSR. Is there anything fundamentally new ??? NO! Well, a rocket that does not fly ...
      Say thanks to your Medvedev, Serdyukov and others.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 December 2013 22: 47
        +1
        Quote: Ustas77
        Is there anything fundamentally new ??? NOT! Well, a rocket that does not fly ...

        Today, the Borei-class missile cruiser, Alexander Nevsky, has been admitted to the combat strength of the Russian Navy. He will serve at the Pacific Fleet, but do not worry about the Bulava: it will fly like a sweetheart - the military envoys have returned to their official duties, and the KSBU-5 has been worked out and is being adopted for armament. So you should be happy for the Slav brothers. And the turn of the LADIES after Storetkin will come after the Sochi Olympics.
    5. Shur
      Shur 24 December 2013 00: 33
      +1
      A loan from the IMF without interest? It’s hard to say funny things, but the talent is visible.
      Blah ... blah and behold: "The interest accrued under these IMF loans depends on the source of funds, as well as on the so-called SDR interest rate, which is determined as a weighted average for predetermined three-month financial instruments (treasury bills, certificates of deposit, interbank deposits ) in countries whose currency is used to calculate the SDR. In addition, the IMF charges borrowing countries a fee of 0,5% of the loan amount to cover organizational costs "
    6. papik09
      papik09 24 December 2013 05: 57
      0
      I think you are not quite right. December 17, 2013 showed that Ukraine is deeply indifferent to Russia. And the loan, although interest, but he UNCONDITIONAL, unlike IMF loans. As regards the Black Sea Fleet of Russia, he is the defender of not only Russia but also Ukraine. Maybe I'm wrong? correct, gentlemen forum users. hi
  2. andrey682006
    andrey682006 23 December 2013 09: 15
    +8
    Ukraine received another gift

    This gift is called the purchase of government bonds of Ukraine. They will have to pay interest. Or again offer something in exchange. And if they refuse - default. Do you need Ukraine in the EU in this form? More precisely, it’s not even so - is the EU ready to pay for the restoration and modernization of Ukraine and get a new competitor at that price? Or they will not restore, having received not only a source of cheap labor, but also a source of problems?
    1. papik09
      papik09 24 December 2013 06: 09
      +1
      The EU is now unable to solve its problems, and you, Andrei, are talking about your readiness to pay for the restoration and modernization of Ukraine. Do not tell, for God's sake. Here is the source of cheap labor - yes, the presence of beautiful chernozem - yes, but production and agriculture have their own. Somewhere like that.
  3. kris
    kris 23 December 2013 13: 01
    0
    interestingly written!
    and what to change? ships and boats under construction, x ren yes a little!
    a paradox, but the fleet command is not interested in increasing the number of ships.
    berths and other empty facilities are leased for black cash.
    and the current situation suits everyone and the Ukrainian authorities and naval authorities.
    1. andrey682006
      andrey682006 23 December 2013 13: 24
      -1
      Doesn’t it seem to you?
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. sanych
      sanych 23 December 2013 14: 14
      0
      kris, don't juggle! Especially about the boats! Their berths cannot be leased in any way - firstly, they will be based in Novorossiysk, and secondly, the berths have just been built !!!! More recently, there was an article about the construction of the Novorossiysk base. As for "xren, but a little" - the Black Sea Fleet has only one boat - six more will arrive, attack ships - one, six will also be added! And the newest! Compared to the fact that now - the Black Sea Fleet will increase many times over !!!
      1. kris
        kris 23 December 2013 14: 35
        +1
        Quote: sanych
        As for "xren, but a little" - the Black Sea Fleet has only one boat - six more will arrive, attack ships - one, six will also be added! And the newest! Compared to the fact that now - the Black Sea Fleet will increase many times over !!!

        and how much will be debited?
        and how many of the 6 ships will be transferred to Novorossiysk?
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 23 December 2013 17: 34
          +1
          and what is there to write off? that which does not go, so only they fix that which is formally. But in fact - now there is one Moscow + Alrosa, and there will be Moscow + 11356x6 + square 636x6. That more?
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 23 December 2013 23: 21
            +2
            Quote: bddrus
            And in fact - now there is one Moscow + Alrosa

            Well, why so! There are also relatively modern MRK pr.1239 "Bora" and "Samum" - ideal ships for raiding operations under the cover of aviation. Plus 2 more MRK pr.12341. A very strong and capable brigade of landing ships. I would like to remind you that the MRK brigades of the Republic of Kazakhstan have recently had real combat experience. So, it is difficult for the Black Sea residents, but they are worth it. And soon new ships will come and the Black Sea men will again carry the BS in the Mediterranean, as it always was before.
            1. bddrus
              bddrus 24 December 2013 16: 54
              0
              MRK pr.1239 "Bora" and "Samum" - ideal ships for raiding operations under the cover of aviation. Plus 2 more MRK pr.12341
              - do you think they will be written off by 2020? I hope not yet - so your remark is useless - add "inequality" on both sides and with new ships there will still be more than now))
  • porevith
    porevith 23 December 2013 09: 05
    +2
    since when did credit become a gift ?????? Well, try to get such a gift in your bank.
    1. SerAll
      SerAll 23 December 2013 09: 49
      +7
      Good morning! I’ve been, but for such ridiculous interest it doesn’t work ... They give for 20-25% per annum, compare with your interest! You need to go to Europe for a while ... and s.p. higher and interest on loans more humane ...
    2. Skemmer
      Skemmer 23 December 2013 10: 45
      +5
      5 percent ... Yes, for such loans, the line would be like for vodka under Gorbachev. So do not give.
    3. Shur
      Shur 24 December 2013 00: 46
      0
      For those percent? Come on ..
  • andrey682006
    andrey682006 23 December 2013 09: 08
    0
    Honestly, I did not expect other arguments from the Ukrainian author.
    If Ukrainians bargain for the independence of their state, then bargain rent of Sevastopol - it goes without saying.
    It is strange to read a long enumeration of the problems of the Black Sea Fleet in order to read at the end (if you had the patience to read) that problems are being solved.
    It would be interesting to find out from the author who is protecting the Ukrainian fleet and what is it like.
    1. SerAll
      SerAll 23 December 2013 09: 54
      -1
      Well, according to the state of affairs in the fleet, the author is right, unfortunately ... What remains of the former power of the USSR can hardly be called a military unit ... but it is, and this must be taken into account ... The question is when it will be completed as a Caspian flotilla ? And for the base in the Crimea is a shame! Museum in a word ... It affects the Russian population of the ARC, how much can you endure? it's time to return to mother Russia ... and they all pull, pull ...
    2. Ustas77
      Ustas77 23 December 2013 16: 14
      -4
      If Russia had not stolen some of the ships, for example, landing ships and, if I am not mistaken, "Moscow," before the partition in the most vile way, then they would have been divided more fairly.
      1. SerAll
        SerAll 23 December 2013 16: 58
        +1
        In how, how to pay debts to the world, pay Russia, but how to share what does not belong, we all worked for the USSR ... What did not divide Ukraine’s gas transmission system? and lots of such examples!
        1. papik09
          papik09 24 December 2013 06: 18
          0
          Regarding the GTS. It was a gas pipeline FROM Uzhgorod to Moscow. There were gas supplies from Ukraine before the development of the northern fields. It was only later that it was completed and launched in the opposite direction under the name "Urengoy-Samara-Uzhgorod".
      2. maxvet
        maxvet 23 December 2013 19: 18
        +3
        Quote: Ustas77
        If Russia had not stolen some of the ships, for example, landing ships and, if I am not mistaken, "Moscow," before the partition in the most vile way, then they would have been divided more fairly.

        Look what happened to those vessels that remained to Ukraine, it would be the same with the others. And how did you take it from the vile?
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 December 2013 23: 27
        +2
        Quote: Ustas77
        then they would share more equitably.

        Divided fairly: 18% - to Ukraine, in accordance with the contribution. True, from what remains at the time of the section.
      4. Shur
        Shur 24 December 2013 00: 50
        0
        You would become even "richer" .. If there is cooperation now, there will be a Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine .. But no, and there is no trial ..
      5. papik09
        papik09 24 December 2013 06: 15
        0
        Otherwise how to tell you a phrase from the famous cartoon: "Sharik, you are a dunce", I cannot, you are our memory. Or maybe remember that Russia took over ALL FOREIGN DEBT OF THE USSR? Or is it tense with memory ?! am
    3. Shur
      Shur 24 December 2013 00: 48
      0
      This is just a "good" start to trading. No need to interfere, then the surroundings will go beyond the lard tanker .. wassat
  • kind
    kind 23 December 2013 09: 24
    0
    Ukraine received another gift at the expense of the Russian people in the tens of billions of dollars. I won’t be surprised if again they will not allow us sworn to renew the fleet and infrastructure. And they will still demand huge billions for it.

    Let's see how it goes. The abscess-maidan is still smoldering, but it seems that people will wake up from all this, as from a long hangover, and understand that it is time to go to work.
  • Fin
    Fin 23 December 2013 09: 25
    +5
    Recall that the capture by the Germans in 1942 of Sevastopol sharply worsened the situation of Soviet troops in the Crimea.

    After this, Soviet troops were no longer in Crimea. Partisans only.
  • 222222
    222222 23 December 2013 09: 50
    +3
    Black Sea Fleet is not only the Crimea, but also the NEW Navy in Novorossiysk ....
    Two components of the Black Sea Fleet: -in Crimea and Novorossiysk ..
    1. SerAll
      SerAll 23 December 2013 09: 57
      +3
      I do not agree with you, in Novorossiysk there has always been and will be a base of boats ... and the Black Sea Fleet is Sevastopol! with his Heroic story and spirit! there will be no Black Sea Fleet - Sevastopol will die too! how offensive it does not sound ...
      1. 222222
        222222 23 December 2013 12: 26
        0
        Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at Novorossiysk Naval Base
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrbLuEo5Tro
        "The Novorossiysk naval base is an operational-strategic territorial formation of the Russian Navy, designed to perform operational-strategic tasks and maintain a favorable operational regime in the designated area of ​​responsibility, ensure the deployment of naval forces and personnel training.
        Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/15924
        ..already in the 17th year, she will have to accept warships in full force.
        http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/Novorosiisk_2012.html
        1. SerAll
          SerAll 23 December 2013 14: 04
          +1
          Base Black Sea Fleet-Sevastopol, in spirit, conscience and blood! and all that is being built is in the appendage and not a replacement!
  • Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 23 December 2013 10: 07
    +6
    As for the Black Sea, not everything is so bad for us: firstly, the main forces of the Turkish fleet are in the Mediterranean, having Greece as their main probable adversary;
    secondly, apart from the Turkish, no other navy in the Black Sea can compete with the Black Sea Fleet. Judge for yourself: Romania is a NATO member: submarine, no, the only submarine of project 877, delivered by the USSR, is in a sludge; the flagship of the fleet, the destroyer Marasesti, built during the reign of Ceausescu from missile armament, has only 8 P-20 anti-ship missiles, there is no air defense system; 2 British "Broadswords", transferred within the framework of NATO, have neither air defense systems nor anti-ship missiles; 4 corvettes "Tetal" from the time of Ceausescu have neither anti-ship missile systems, nor air defense systems; 6 RCA (3 Project 1241, 3 Project 205); 5 minesweepers. Bulgaria-NATO member-submarine no; the basis of the fleet 3 former Belgian frigates "Willingen" of the 70s also transferred under the NATO program and 1 Soviet project 1159; 2 IPC pr. 1241.1; 1 RCA project 1241; 1 minesweeper "Tripartit. Ukraine-submarine" Zaporozhye ", I will keep silent about its merits, so as not to offend Ukrainian comrades; the former Soviet PSKR project 1135.1 and 3 MPK project 1124M without anti-ship missiles, 1 MRK project 1241 and MPK project 1241.2, and taking into account that mess what is going on in Ukraine is unlikely to be strengthened in the near future.Georgia-naval forces do not exist at all, several SKA lost by the late Colonel Lebed do not count.
    On the Black Sea, we now have 1 project 1164 missile cruise missile, 1 project 01090 missile cruise ship (8 Mosquito anti-ship missiles), 1 diesel-electric submarine pr. 877, 4 MRK pr. 1234, 7 MPK pr. 1124, 5 RSA pr. 1241, 9 minesweepers, 3 Project 21980 "Rook" project. BODs of project 1134B, SKR pr.1135, SKR pr.1135M are not yet taken into account, they are idle in repair and it is not clear at all when they go to sea. However, it should be borne in mind that the terms of the agreement between Yanukovych and Medvedev that Russia has the right to replace ships in Sevastopol only with the consent of Ukraine, so the TFR project 11540 "Yaroslav the Wise" tried to transfer from the Baltic Fleet to the Black Sea Fleet, but Ukraine sharply opposed, and in Novorossiysk there are no conditions for its basing; and the Novorossiysk base is still under construction (everyone probably remembers the incident with the "Dagestan" in the Novorossiysk bay, because of which the acceptance of the ship was delayed for almost six months. But back in Soviet times, the Caspian Flotilla was a reserve for the Black Sea Fleet and is now. Therefore, the strengthening of the Caspian Flotilla is quite logical, since the ships are provided with bases and MTO.
    Next year for the Black Sea Fleet are expected: 3 diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 for the Black Sea Fleet (the first of them "Novorossiysk" has already been launched); 1 frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Kasatonov" (possibly); 3 frigates of project 11356 for the Black Sea Fleet (possibly).
    In total, the Black Sea Fleet is planning 1 frigate of the 22350 project (laid down), 6 DEPLs of the 636.3 project (3 laid, one is being completed afloat, a contract has been signed for 3), 6 frigates of the 11356 project (5 laid), 1 corvette of the 20385 project (laid) 21631 (signed a contract for 3 units).
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 23 December 2013 12: 05
      +4
      Roman change the checkbox in the title. soldier
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 December 2013 23: 45
      +3
      Quote: Novel 1977
      ... The Caspian flotilla was a reserve for the Black Sea Fleet and is now.

      Roman Aleksandrovich, do not consider it a work: explain your idea ... How "reservoirs", separated by a mountain system, "reserve" each other. The Volga-Don system, what will it be used for inter-fleet maneuvering by ships of rank 3,4? So this will not greatly strengthen the Black Sea Fleet.
  • hitech
    hitech 23 December 2013 10: 17
    +4
    Quote: SerAll
    I do not agree with you, in Novorossiysk there has always been and will be a base of boats ... and the Black Sea Fleet is Sevastopol! with his Heroic story and spirit! there will be no Black Sea Fleet - Sevastopol will die too! how offensive it does not sound ...
    The Black Sea Fleet will not "die", it will simply be "redeployed", unlike Sevastopol. Traditions and memories associated with them will die. But I hope it won't come to that.
    1. SerAll
      SerAll 23 December 2013 10: 24
      +4
      I'm not talking about the fleet, I'm talking about the city! offense for the city! It is one with the fleet, it was built for the fleet!
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 23 December 2013 12: 27
    +2
    you need to put pressure on Ukrainians, and in an idial talk with them about renting the city of Sevastopol. but in general, ideally pick it up. he had never been a hohlyatsky until 1991.
  • I think so
    I think so 23 December 2013 12: 49
    0
    It is strange to talk about the "modernization" of something that actually does not exist anymore ... It is more appropriate to talk about CREATION AGAIN ... But this is practically beyond the power of the plundered country ... It is not surprising that the Turks have become more active ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 December 2013 23: 53
      +2
      Quote: I think so
      It's strange to talk about the "modernization" of something that actually doesn't exist anymore

      The fleet is, above all, ships. And arguing with this is counterproductive. BUT! The fleet is also naval aviation, marines, BRAV, a basing system and support units. This is a management system and much more.
      Therefore, it is more correct to talk about updating the ship's fleet. Aviation, by the way, too.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 23 December 2013 13: 40
    0
    Quote: I think so It is not surprising that the Turks became more active ... [/ quote

    They have never intensified))) Since the Caribbean crisis, they have been quiet and smooth and God's grace. One can only recall, perhaps, the hijacking of the AN-24 by persons of tortured Baltic nationality.
  • moremansf
    moremansf 23 December 2013 13: 51
    +3
    The issue of modernization is long overdue ... but there are already more questions for politicians to resolve relations with Ukraine ... Sevastopol is a city of heroic glory and it was created by people of different nationalities ... only the West can divide two friendly Slavic peoples on hand ... it's a pity if it happens ... it all depends on the country's leadership ...
    1. Shur
      Shur 24 December 2013 00: 57
      0
      This is obvious to everyone in Russia except for the "new people" who inhabited the former Ukrainian SSR after the collapse of the union ..
  • archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 23 December 2013 15: 39
    +3
    But what, Dneprodzerzhinsk, I am a suburb of Sevastopol ???? Where does this infa come from for a person who does not live in the hero city and does not serve on the RF CCF?
  • ko88
    ko88 23 December 2013 17: 02
    0
    Of course there will be a modernization to which everything goes.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 December 2013 17: 26
    +1
    The plans for the rearmament of the Black Sea Fleet are just the most real. Not chasing the latest miracle aggregates, we ordered six ICR worked out by the industry and six spent submarines. In parallel, a new naval base is being actively built. So it is precisely the future of the Black Sea Fleet that can be viewed with optimism. What can not be said about the future of our ocean fleets.
    1. indiggo
      indiggo 23 December 2013 19: 24
      0
      stop calling 11356 TFR. according to the new classification, these are frigates laughing
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 24 December 2013 13: 43
        0
        I think it has already dawned on everyone that renaming the essence does not change. request
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 23 December 2013 17: 32
    +1
    I will be surprised greatly if Russia did not take advantage of the situation and did not resolve positively the issue of replacing the Black Sea Fleet ships winked With "gifts" at the level of 20 (including gas), it is logical to demand. Moreover, this question is nothing more than legal. shortcoming of the agreement on the division of the Black Sea Fleet in 000.
  • zavesa01
    zavesa01 23 December 2013 18: 18
    -3
    SF - .. the training fleet.
    BF - former fleet.
    Black Sea Fleet - Th Fleet, Th Not Fleet.
    Pacific Fleet is also a fleet.
    CF - Kilkin fleet.
    1. papik09
      papik09 24 December 2013 06: 24
      +1
      For such a "decryption" I would give you a candelabrum over the head! am
  • Leshka
    Leshka 23 December 2013 18: 18
    0
    sorry but I think everything is not lost yet
  • zavesa01
    zavesa01 23 December 2013 18: 22
    0
    First of all, it is necessary to strengthen and rearm the Northern and Pacific Fleet. The Black Sea and coastal bases can be blocked.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 December 2013 00: 06
      +1
      Quote: zavesa01
      The Black Sea and coastal bases can be blocked.

      Oh how! This is something new in WWI theory!
      Alexander, to be more precise: aviation and KRAF’s BRAV are able to solve the problem of controlling air and surface space in the fleet’s area of ​​responsibility.
      But the main task of the Navy KHF (1 and 2 rank ships) is the combat service in the Sr. Sea. Therefore, according to the composition of the tasks, the Black Sea Fleet has a colossal responsibility. In Soviet times, it was the basis of 5 opEsk.
  • URAL72
    URAL72 23 December 2013 18: 37
    +4
    Quote: porevith
    since when did credit become a gift ?????? Well, try to get such a gift in your bank.


    Indeed, try to take out a bank loan at 5%. In Ukraine, at least 12% (currency, hryvnia 17-20%), but they may not give ... And given the timeliness, this is really "like" a gift for a country on the brink of bankruptcy.
  • klim44
    klim44 23 December 2013 19: 13
    -4
    In my opinion, a large fleet is not needed there, sooner or later Sevastopol will have to leave, as it does not sound sad. With the modern development of aviation and cruise missiles, given the size of the Black Sea, there are no impossible tasks for them. And the fleet should consist of light and patrol vessels to directly protect the country's economic interests. Of course, this will reduce the number of admirals.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 December 2013 00: 21
      +2
      Quote: klim44
      And the fleet should consist of light and patrol vessels to directly protect the country's economic interests.

      1. The fleet must have ships that allow it to solve the tasks facing it. For example:
      2. 1 and 2 rank ships are capable of long-term tasks in the Sr. Sea, defending the country's national interests in this strategically important region for us.
      3. There is such a thing as an inter-naval maneuver by naval personnel. If there is a need, they will come to the Baltic Fleet or Northern Fleet.
      4. Large Navy KChF are able to ensure the deployment of our submarines in the SR.more, to ensure their combat stability in the absence of naval aviation.
      You can still list a lot of tasks that the forces of the Black Sea Fleet can do ...
      And all because the ships do not stand still, but go where the country's leadership considers their presence necessary.
  • stranik72
    stranik72 23 December 2013 21: 19
    0
    The modern fleet needs a lot of money and another system of economy, so Russia is not yet up to it.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 24 December 2013 00: 37
      +2
      Quote: stranik72
      Russia is not yet up to him (not to the fleet).

      WORDS A BOY, NOT HUSBAND!
      The fleet is an attribute of a state that considers itself a power. Russia is a nuclear power, a permanent member of the UN Security Council. fifth world economy.
      Our potential adversaries are sea powers! Their plans must be stopped at the stage of origin, and not at the walls of Moscow. Objectively:
      THE FLEET AHEAD OF THE BORDER POSTS OF THE NATIVE FATHERLAND. Therefore, how the enemy will behave depends on the strength of the "forward outpost". The fleet is capable of independently solving the problem of defeating the enemy in a nuclear war.
      Therefore, no matter how hard the country was, it continues to build NK and submarine missile carriers. And this = state approach to the defense of Russia.
      1. Shur
        Shur 24 December 2013 01: 01
        +2
        Rather, our opponents are sea robbers!
  • rocketman
    rocketman 23 December 2013 21: 40
    0
    Quote: bublic82009
    you need to put pressure on Ukrainians, and in an idial talk with them about renting the city of Sevastopol. but in general, ideally pick it up. he had never been a hohlyatsky until 1991.

    late, my friend, drink Borjomi ... One BN Yeltsin had to think about it right away, well, but he had no time - he thumped ...
    1. Shur
      Shur 24 December 2013 01: 03
      0
      Surrenders, he thought, how to work out his post .. shameful. Burn him until the next ecumenical insight.
  • lukke
    lukke 23 December 2013 23: 40
    +3
    Currently, there are agreements that prohibit the Russian side from replacing old Black Sea Fleet ships with new ones and even modernizing them, as well as equipping combat units with new modern weapon systems
    well, and the agreements are bilateral? from our side it is interesting who signed ... in principle, it is not regrettable, but our government is merging Sevastopol. We don’t have any kind of coherent policy; apparently, we always make excuses, then for the convoy of sailors who crossed the road there and then for some garbage. Under Yushche, measures were immediately taken to dilute the pro-Russian city - military units in western Ukraine were generally called up for military units on the territory of the city and Crimea. Plus, they carried out personnel shifts in government bodies, etc. The Crimean schoolchildren wrote their story and memorize it as a native without particularly thinking about this heresy, just to enter the institute. There, brainwashing and rooting in the significance of the nation of ancient ukrov continue. Meanwhile, we are building a base in Novorossiysk ... sad
    1. Gans1234
      Gans1234 8 September 2014 08: 10
      0
      All ended Ukrainization of the Crimea)
  • Ross
    Ross 24 December 2013 00: 52
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    And this is a common practice - they give a loan not in order to get back with interest, but in order to have leverage.

    Better your "pressure", Russian, than the IMF, the child of the Fed
  • mithridate
    mithridate 24 December 2013 16: 11
    0
    Black Sea Fleet - Guarantor of Stability in Crimea
  • Sax
    Sax 25 December 2013 02: 44
    -1
    Quote: Lelek
    I matter. But you do not take, but the whole of Ukraine. If you took from the EU, then - at exorbitant prices and without heating.

    Can you document it? Or stories for suckers?
  • Sax
    Sax 25 December 2013 02: 45
    0
    Quote: Mithridates
    Black Sea Fleet - Guarantor of Stability in Crimea

    What are you talking about? What kind of stability, stability of what?
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 26 December 2013 04: 38
      0
      The stability of the fact that there will not sail ships of NATO!
  • Sax
    Sax 25 December 2013 02: 50
    0
    Quote: terminator_163
    Crimea should belong to Russia, and the point !!!

    Wowed! Is it you, dear, to cheer yourself up like that? Drink Brom. By the way, do you know that the Russian Federation is one of the guarantors of the inviolability of the borders of Ukraine?
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 26 December 2013 04: 32
      +1
      Crimea should belong to Russia, and the point !!!
      Support!
  • Gans1234
    Gans1234 8 September 2014 08: 08
    0
    Uff, at least this stupidity is fixed.
    Crimea - Russia!)