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Polish script Russian blitzkrieg. Doctrine "Polish fangs"

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In the war with Russia, Poland is counting on the Baltic states, Sweden and Finland. Such conclusions can be made by studying the military-political doctrine of the state and the statements of Polish politicians, military and experts. Warsaw still considers Russia as the main threat to the countries of Eastern Europe. Moreover, some Polish leaders reanimate the idea of ​​"Greater Poland" - from sea to sea. Naturally, it will be possible to build it only at the expense of the Russian lands, primarily Ukraine (Little Russia). The degradation of the Ukrainian armed forces, problems in the economy and the instability of political life give Warsaw chances to resume expansion to the south-east.


In addition, Washington is actively developing cooperation with Romania and Poland on the creation of a global missile defense system. Poland is still viewed by the United States as an important buffer between Germany and Russia, a tool for anti-Russian policy in Eastern Europe. It is possible that Poland will become the springboard of the American troops if they are asked from Germany. Therefore, it is not surprising that while most of the countries of the Old World are reducing armed forces, heavy weapons, focusing on the concept of "contactless war", Poland, on the contrary, pays great attention to strengthening ground forces, increasing the number of heavy equipment and weapons.

Polish Minister of Defense Tomash Semonyak after meeting together with his colleagues from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, he said that the military departments of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia agreed to annually coordinate a common position on defense issues. According to the Polish Minister of Defense, Warsaw is in favor of closer cooperation within the European Union. The ministers of the four states discussed the strengthening of quadrilateral cooperation.

Lithuanian Minister of Defense Juozas Olekas expressed the hope that now their voice in the European Union and NATO “will be stronger”. The Lithuanian Minister commended the Steadfast Jazz large-scale NATO exercises in early November 2013, stating at the same time that it was necessary to be ready for new challenges for the region and the entire world community, in particular, related to cybernetic and energy security.

Let me remind you that the teachings of Steadfast Jazz were the largest NATO maneuvers since the beginning of the century. These teachings have opened a new page in stories NATO and restored the practice of large-scale military exercises in Europe. The maneuvers were held on the 11 ranges in Poland and the Baltic countries, they were attended by more than 6 thousand soldiers, 13 ships, more 50 airplanes and helicopters, 350 armored vehicles from 19 NATO member countries, as well as the military of the two partners of the North Atlantic Alliance - Sweden and Ukraine. 8 headquarters took part in the command-staff part of the exercise. According to the exercise scenario, the fictional country of Botnia attacked Estonia. Botnia is a major regional power, “possessing significant reserves of oil and gas,” which was affected by the socio-economic and political crisis, and its leadership decided to unleash a war. NATO, in accordance with the 5-th article of the Washington Treaty on Collective Defense, provided military assistance to Estonia. In Botnia you can easily see Russia. In parallel with the “Strong Jazz” maneuvers, the Baltic Host 2013 military maneuvers were also conducted, with our likely adversary testing the readiness of the military infrastructure of the Baltic countries to accept NATO troops. Thus, the NATO countries do not hide who their main enemy is in the eastern direction. Especially often they raise a hysteria about the “Russian threat” in the Baltic States, Scandinavia and Poland.

The Minister of Defense of Latvia, Artis Pabriks, noted that Poland and the Baltic countries belong to the few members of the North Atlantic Alliance and the European Union, which implement the defense expenditure recommendation in the amount of 2% of GDP. He also noted that the Eastern Partnership and the Scandinavian countries are of defense interest for the four Eastern European states. The ministers of war also raised issues of regional cooperation in the field of anti-missile and air defense, the development of special forces, joint exercises and military education.

A few days after this meeting, the National Center for Strategic Studies of Poland announced report: “The military geography of the Baltic Sea. Conclusions for the modernization of the Polish Navy. The analytical report clearly states that a potential adversary for the Polish armed forces is the army of the Russian Federation. According to the authors of the report, the Polish armed forces must be ready to participate in a military conflict “short-term and intensive,” but not necessarily very tense.

The report's authors reported that in the next 20 years, Poland may be attacked by Russia. A political or economic conflict with Belarus or Russia, the desire of Warsaw to influence the countries economically controlled by the Russian Federation (apparently a hint of Ukraine) or worsening the geopolitical position of the Polish state can lead to war with Russia. Fighting is also possible in the Baltic, where Poland may be drawn into a likely conflict between NATO allies and Russia.

An analysis of the military-strategic importance of the Baltic region, where the political, economic and military interests of many states intersect, shows its serious interrelation "with the question of the existence of independent and sovereign Baltic countries, as well as Belarus and Ukraine." Therefore, effective regional military cooperation with Sweden and Finland is gaining an important role. It is noted that in the event of a military conflict, Russia may use the ports of the Baltic countries. As a result, the independence of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia is becoming one of the key factors for operations in the Baltic Sea. Ports in Tallinn (this port does not freeze most of the year), in Riga, Ventspils (a port that freezes very rarely), in Liepaja and Klaipeda are of military strategic importance. From a military and strategic point of view, it is important to prevent the Russian armed forces from seizing the Estonian coast, which will allow them to break through the blockade. The fulfillment of these conditions, according to the authors of the report, will lead to the fact that the Polish armed forces will receive a strategic advantage in operations in the Baltic.

Polish analysts tried to answer the question: how can a conflict scenario develop between Poland and the Russian Federation? According to Polish experts, the military conflict in the Baltic Sea can develop rapidly and erupt from a single spark, as it was during the war between Russia and Georgia. The Russian armed forces during this war showed the whole world how, within 24 hours, it is possible to switch from peaceful to martial law. In recent years, Russia and Belarus have been practicing various military scenarios, including a conflict with Poland. Representatives of the National Center for Strategic Studies believe that the armed forces of the Russian Federation are organizationally and technically ready within one day to create a group of forces against Poland. Its creation will be implemented by the transfer of military transport aviation formations and units of the airborne troops and special forces in Belarus and Kaliningrad. As a result, a group of forces with a total number of 160 thousand bayonets will be concentrated in the territory of Belarus and the Kaliningrad region.

They further declare that the Russian armed forces would launch Polish airfields with rocket attacks from the Tochka-U and Iskander tactical missile systems, destroying the basis of the Polish Air Force — the 48 F-16 fighter jets. Then the Russian attack aircraft Su-27 and Su-30 neutralize the command posts and communication centers of the Armed Forces of Poland. After that, the Russian Air Force planes without any problems will strike the country's infrastructure — power plants, pipelines, highways and railroad junctions, large industrial enterprises, etc. Russian fighter aircraft in the number of 200 planes will easily win air supremacy. The defeat of the Polish troops will complete the blows of the Russian artillery and armored and mechanized formations, which can go all over Poland with an avalanche.

Thus, Polish experts are clearly impressed with the recent successes in restoring the combat potential of the Russian Armed Forces, as well as the military defeat of Georgia, and paint such a gloomy picture that they immediately recall the most successful operations of the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War. Apparently, analysts want once again to frighten the Polish leadership and society with the “Russian threat” so that Warsaw should pay more attention to the army. Indeed, in reality, the state of the Russian Armed Forces is far from ideal and a lot of effort must be made to keep them at the proper level.


Received in 2002 from the German Bundeswehr Tanks Leopard 2A4 of the Polish 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade of the 11th Luba Armored Cavalry Division named after King Jan III Sobieski


Taking into account the above “black scenario” of the development of a military conflict with Russia, experts of the National Center for Strategic Studies suggest:

- to establish good neighborly and trustful relations with neighboring states, including Russia and Belarus;

- to intensify cooperation with the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance and the European Union;

- improve and develop the potential of the Polish Armed Forces;

- it is noted that complete strategic security of the Republic of Poland can only be ensured by a strategic partnership with the United States. In their opinion, the deployment of American troops in Poland will not only deter potential adversaries from a military strike, but also allow the national armed forces to be brought to a new technological level that meets modern requirements.

Hopes for Washington are also supported by periodically appearing in the Polish media reports that, despite the Pentagon’s budget cuts, the United States will maintain its military presence in Europe. Thus, General Philip Breedlove, the commander-in-chief of the NATO Joint Armed Forces in Europe, said that it was simply not possible to reduce US bases, because then the United States would lose the ability to react promptly and actively to threats in Africa, the Middle East and Eastern Europe. Therefore, we should expect the redeployment of 15 thousand US troops from Germany to Poland and the Baltic countries, closer to the borders of Russia. It also deployed elements of a global missile defense system. The fact that the US missile defense system in Europe is directed against Russia is obvious to almost everyone.

True, Polish experts, relying on the United States, clearly forgot the sad experience of 1939. Then in Warsaw they focused on Paris and London, hoping for the help of the British fleet and a powerful offensive by the Anglo-French forces on the Western Front. However, England and France showed complete indifference to the fate of Poland. They formally declared war on Germany, but actually did not fight, giving Berlin calmly crush the Polish state. Moreover, the Polish military-political leadership then missed the only chance to preserve the Polish state in the then geopolitical situation - an alliance with the Soviet Union. Although Moscow aggressively offered itself to the allies, which gave Warsaw a guarantee of security against a Wehrmacht strike. The Polish and Soviet armed forces together were clearly stronger than the German army. So now the Poles are clearly overestimating the importance of the United States in the security of Poland. Washington, without batting an eye, will sacrifice Warsaw if American national interests demand it. Americans, and Western Europeans, will not fight for Poland.

Polish script Russian blitzkrieg. Doctrine "Polish fangs"
Polish modernized MiG-29


"Polish fangs"

The report of the National Center for Strategic Studies fully coincides with the previously adopted new military-political doctrine of the country (“Polish fangs”). Warsaw made a decision to reorient the expenses from the support of international military operations, for example, in Afghanistan, to the development of mobility and firepower of the armed forces, priority is given to ground forces and the development of the national air defense-missile defense system. It is planned to spend about 2022 billion dollars for the program of modernization of the Armed Forces before 45, which is a record amount in the conditions of the economic crisis that hit Europe.

The main programs under this strategy are:

- A significant part of the funds will go to the development of the national military industrial complex. Consolidation of disparate military enterprises is underway, in September, Prime Minister Donald Tusk announced this. The Polish Armaments Group should include the companies WZMS, HSW, Polish Defense Holding, as well as other small manufacturers;

- Purchase from the USA of 1250 air-to-air, air-to-ground missiles and bombs for F-16 fighter-bombers. Among weapons - 158 air-to-air missiles with an infrared homing head, 284 bombs weighing a ton of 1 each, they are capable of penetrating reinforced concrete overlapping 4 meters thick;


F-16


- in 2011, the program of repair and modernization of 16 MiG-29 air forces of the country (13 single and three combat training MiG-29UB) was launched. Total armed with the country are 32 machines. MiGs upgrades must be completed by the end of 2014. After that, the MiG-29 will serve up to the 2028 year. In mid-November, the Polish Air Force received the fourth modernized MiG-2013A fighter jet in mid-November. Until the end of the year, two more aircraft must be upgraded;

- In October 2013, the Polish Air Force received the last upgraded training aircraft PZL-130 Orlik TC-II. Total Polish Ministry of Defense received 16 aircraft. And in 2011, in Poland, a program was launched to develop a new modernization of the Orlik training aircraft;


PZL-130 Orlik TC-II


- In November 2013, the European aircraft manufacturing concern Airbus handed over Poland the last two military transport aircraft C-295. Five PTSs were purchased in the 2012 year. Now the Polish Air Force 17 transports C-295 (the first eight were purchased in the 2001 year, in the 2006-2007 - four);


C-295


- to 2018-2020 Poland's Ministry of Defense plans to buy unmanned aerial vehicles to 205. In total, the development and purchase of unmanned aerial vehicles is planned to spend about 650-975 million. The UAVs will become the basis of the country's reconnaissance troops; special forces, artillery units and ground forces will receive them. In November 2013, special forces and artillery regiments received Fly Eye 12 vehicles. The supply contract was signed in February 2013. Total plan to get to 50 such UAVs. In 2014, the Polish military are going to select a supplier of unmanned aerial vehicles for the ground forces. UAVs will be used at brigade and divisional levels. Negotiations are underway with representatives of French companies Dassault, Sagem, EADS and Thales, the French will have to work in consortium with the Polish company WB Electronics. In a consortium with a Polish company, French firms will have to develop various types of UAVs, including drums;

- At the beginning of 2012, a contract was signed for the supply of five W-3WA Sokol multi-purpose helicopters and the upgrading of 14 machines. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk announced in September 2012 plans to purchase new military helicopters for the 70 army. In particular, a tender was announced for the supply of 26 multi-purpose helicopters;


W-3WA Sokol


- In 2012, the Navy's development plan for the year before 2030 was announced. Given the lack of funds and the priority of other areas of change will be small. They plan to buy three new submarines and get three new ships. In addition, the sailors will receive several attack and search and rescue helicopters, coastal missile systems, autonomous surface vehicles and drones. In October, the Polish Ministry of Defense resumed the 2013 Corvette project of the Gavron project, it was nevertheless decided to be completed (the construction program of such ships was closed in the 621 year), and they also ordered the construction of three new minesweepers. All ships must be handed over to the Polish Navy in 2012;

- At the start of 2013, the Polish Ministry of Defense signed contracts with Bumar Elektronika for the supply of 15 radars for the Air Force and the ground forces. The contract amount was 161,2 million. Delivery of the radar will begin in the 2015 year, and will end in the 2017 year. The Air Force should receive eight upgraded mobile radar stations TRS-15M Odra-M. Earlier, the Air Force had already received six such radars. The ground forces should receive seven mobile radar stations for detecting enemy fire weapons RZRA-201 Liwiec;

- In the summer of 2013, the Polish Ministry of Defense announced a tender for the supply of medium-range anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems. The cost of the program to create a national air defense system - PRO Vistula is estimated at 8,4 billion dollars. The bet is made on mobile connections capable of protecting the country from short-range and medium-range missiles. Before 2022, the Polish military plan to get six batteries of medium-range Wisla missiles, Narew short-range systems, Poprad self-propelled complexes, Pilica missile artillery systems, Perun missile launchers and missiles, and radar stations Sola and Bystra. It is also possible to purchase an MEADS or Aster-30 medium-range air defense system. At the same time, Poland is one of the key countries in Eastern Europe for hosting components of the NATO missile defense system. The United States is planning to deploy SM-2018 Block IIA interceptor missiles at the Polish Air Force base in Redzikowo by 3;


Polish short-range ADMS POPRAD


- Much attention is paid to the development of ground forces. In 2012, plans were announced to double the tank fleet in Poland. Polish ground forces have more than 900 tanks: Leopard 2A4, variants T-72. The Polish army plans to acquire up to 1 thousand new tanks in various versions. Thus, work continues on the Anders light tank program. Anders is a combat platform that is designed to create a range of vehicles: a fire support fighting vehicle (light tank), an infantry fighting vehicle and special vehicles. In November, 2013, Poland signed a contract for the acquisition of 119 German Leopard tanks (14 Tanks Leopard 2A4 and 105 Leopard 2A5). They will be delivered in 2014-2015's;

- to increase the firepower and mobility of the army, the Ministry of Defense concluded several contracts. 307 BRT Rosomak ("Wolverine") was purchased, to date, the army has about 570 such multipurpose armored personnel carriers. The contract for the supply of 690 machines was signed in 2003 year. More 307 machines are bought on 12 July, 2013, they will be delivered before 2018. To increase mobility, the military department bought 2013 910 Jelcz 422.32 (Jelcz) vehicles in early December. All cars will be delivered in 2014-2018's. Apparently, later will follow new contracts, as it is necessary to replace thousands of obsolete machines;


BRT Rosomak ("Wolverine")


- The army's shock power is being increased by the supply of X-NUMX-mm self-propelled Krab howitzers and X-NUMX-mm mortars Rak. The Ministry of National Defense of Poland in 155 and 120 signed contracts for the supply of 2008 self-propelled Krab howitzers (three batteries), 2011 armored fire control machines, six WA ammunition hauling machines and one weapon repair vehicle. Before 24, they plan to get some more 11 howitzers. In 2025-100 several dozen 2014-mm self-propelled Krab howitzers will be purchased.


Installations from the first serial battery of the Polish 155-mm self-propelled howitzer Krab from the 11 Mazury Artillery Regiment


Thus, the Polish armed forces clearly do not follow the European trend to reduce the number of troops and heavy weapons. On the contrary, Poland is building up the strength of its armed forces. Polish experts almost openly say that Russia is the main enemy of Poland.
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  1. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 19 December 2013 08: 21
    +145
    Well, history does not teach Lyakhov anything ... For hundreds of years, the same rake sets in.
    Well, nothing shines on them in the east except zvizdyulin! It’s time to understand already ...
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 19 December 2013 08: 56
      +36
      They forgot their numerous sections (there were four or five of them).
      1. wow
        wow 21 December 2013 12: 07
        +3
        With this ambition there will be both the sixth "section" and the seventh. I really hope that the last one !!!
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    3. Ptah
      Ptah 19 December 2013 08: 57
      +20
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Well, history does not teach Lyakhov anything ...

      "Dobzhiks" don't need history. They have "graded people of art". The State Department teaches them.
      Remember the bustling sculpture. Well, on which some kind of Zoldaten planted a pregnant woman / from whom and with what? / "Poland"? So, there is another masterpiece, it seems, sculpted from the feces of emigrants.
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      An interestingly written person. Briefly and to the point. -
      aftershock.su/?q=node/98046
      1. Shur
        Shur 19 December 2013 19: 02
        +6
        Duck just right to put a monument to the Russian genocide in troubled times and not only.
    4. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 19 December 2013 09: 20
      +43
      And this is the kind of breed the Germans instilled in them, they cannot live in peace, they must be snatched away by lyuli, without lyuli they seem to be not a nation, but also rabble. They have a lot of plans and 0 money and even with their allies they were lucky the Baltic hellish Aryan soldiers on the great.
      1. smile
        smile 19 December 2013 15: 15
        +35
        tilovaykrisa
        Yes, exactly ... which is already a century, having returned from another trip to visit Russia .... having received humanitarian porridge from the field kitchen from the Russians, comrades Europeans and their selfless vanguard 0 Poland - wiping the bloody snot and bandaging the ass begins to plan how "in a military conflict" short-term and intense ", but not necessarily very tense" they will seize us and rob us ... well, how long can you be beaten to finally understand - you don't need to go to Russia with a gun ... your ass will hurt afterwards .. .. :)))

        Particularly touched by the phrase that they expect to destroy us in a short-term and not necessarily very tense conflict .... :)))) twenty generations of all the great conquerors and shockers of the universe, who all without exception ended their careers with a trip to Russia, excitedly spun in their coffins , giggling furiously and twirling a finger at the temple ..... :)))
        Let’s call Lyakhi from the door of Zykhaly .... :)))))
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 19 December 2013 15: 24
          +6
          Quote: smile
          Particularly touched by the phrase that they expect to destroy us in a short-term and not necessarily very intense conflict ...

          Welcome smile! Where else to look for you, if not on a topic dedicated to "beloved" Poland ...
          Generally and completely laughing I share your post.
          Oh, and these Poles are harmful, neighbors in the European Union are already building walls from them.URL:http://politobzor.net/show-9862-nemcy-sterpeli-krazhu-dreli-i-telenka-kogda-isch
          ez-traktor-oni-otgorodilis-stenoy-ot-polyakov.html
          1. smile
            smile 19 December 2013 16: 55
            +3
            Corsair
            Hi!!!!
            Yeah, you caught me :))) ... I feel a certain weakness for the Poles ... kindred :))) This is clearly lyuboff! :))) I have loved them since I was six ... Well, judge for yourself, how can I pass by so beloved Poland ... and not pull it by the pigtail? :)))
            1. edge
              edge 20 December 2013 03: 02
              +2
              Quote: smile
              I feel a certain weakness for the Poles ... kindred :))) This is clearly lyuboff!

              I fully support you ..... since childhood there was an aversion to them negative
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 20 December 2013 07: 04
              +3
              Quote: smile
              Yeah, you caught me

              Yes, I do not catch, all just for good reasons ...
              It’s just that we once already crossed paths on the Polish theme. And our views, I especially want to note, generally coincide.
              Yes, it cannot be otherwise, is it possible "not to love" such a friendly and benevolent country ...
        2. Bagatur
          Bagatur 19 December 2013 16: 28
          +18
          Hi Smiley!
          I wonder who will start this "... military conflict" short-term and intense ", but not necessarily very tense" ??? will the gentlemen start it and ... BIG BROTHER from Washington will finish ??? Only I can’t understand when someone from Russia fought, and it was easy for him))) The war with Russia doesn’t bomb an aborigine in Afghanistan! The Poles did not understand, they stand between 2 European superpowers with which they historically have so to speak ... not a very successful relationship))) God needs a prayer that Germany will not remember from Silesia, then they will very quickly forget where the "criss rise"! I do not wish anything bad, all the same, one Polish king left his head with Varna to fight with tuka, but ... I still can't understand why for God's sake they won't settle their relations with Russia? What is the hope for the collapse of Ukraine and then the jackal will take something?
          1. Akim
            Akim 19 December 2013 16: 43
            +12
            Quote: bagatura
            What is the hope for the collapse of Ukraine and then what will the jackal take away?

            Do not wait. They don’t need that part of Ukraine - there is no industry, no resources, there are plenty of Bandera people who slaughtered the Poles until the 50s.
            1. Quiet
              Quiet 20 December 2013 02: 02
              +2
              Нdo not wait. They don’t need that part of Ukraine - no, there are no resources, Bandera is full,


              This will do as a last resort. Without resources, but with a cannon in the form of "samostin" .....
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 20 December 2013 14: 41
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              They don’t need that part of Ukraine

              And what is needed?
              1. Akim
                Akim 20 December 2013 17: 05
                +1
                Quote: Corsair
                And what is needed?

                Yes, no. They live well on their territory and they have enough.
          2. smile
            smile 19 December 2013 17: 03
            +4
            Bagatur
            Hello, Nikolai!
            You're right. Completely. To be honest, I don’t understand them myself .... sometimes you will talk to them separately - normal guys. And the crowd will gather - and raced - Even Polska has not disappeared .... become insane ... :)))
            It seems that their politicians decided that the national Polish idea is Russophobia, they simply cannot offer anything else to their people.
            And about Ukraine - you are also right - the Poles even have special programs for involving under Polish influence all those who previously lived under the Poles - Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, with an eye to the distant future, the prospect of being incorporated into Poland.
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 19 December 2013 20: 25
              +3
              But once Moscow was in the hands of the Poles ... But the Second Zemsky Militia very revealingly saved Russia from this evil.
          3. shark
            shark 19 December 2013 18: 52
            +3
            It’s interesting, one Polish king laid his head near Varna — you don’t want anything bad for the Poles, and the Russians piled more than a million in the war with the Turks, there you two world men plowed for a sweet soul against us)
            1. Bagatur
              Bagatur 19 December 2013 20: 00
              +17
              ??????????? I didn't understand something ... What are the problems? The fact that King Vladislav II Yagelo died in the vicinity of Varna is a fact, on 10.11.1444 the black den of Christians in the Balkans. And the million dead ruski is ... who told you? Greater respect for the Russian army! They would lose "more than a million" in 1877-1878, she categorically could not! This is not 1914 or 1941, whatever you want! The glory of the fallen is eternal! Skolyuko they are not important, it is not you who judge me and my people ... well, they first read something and then accuse me. Officially, the Russian Empire genshab calculated the irrecoverable losses of about 22! This is by no means small, but far from your million! Our people, no one has scored, more than 000 monuments have fallen for our freedom, eternal glory! And recognition by them is not necessary, not for this they died under Plevna and Shipka .. we need it!
            2. smile
              smile 19 December 2013 21: 17
              +5
              shark
              You should not have run into Bagatura. A foreigner still has to be looked for so warmly regarding Russia and Russians. And here you blamed him for all the unpleasant moments in our relationship ... Why? Well do you want him to repent now? Or to begin to reproach the Poles? He just wants to understand the situation and that’s it.

              Well, they didn’t have squabbles with the Poles (the Poles simply didn’t really get to them :)))), so why should he swear at them?
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 20 December 2013 07: 19
                +3
                Quote: smile
                Well, they didn’t have squabbles with the Poles (the Poles simply didn’t really get to them

                Where they really got is Ukraine. And the panaman was repairing such chaos there, on which Hitler could learn ...
                There was a general extermination and conversion into slaves of the Little Russian people. Long after the overthrow of the Polish yoke, blind kobzars sang thoughts of tortured peasants and Cossacks ...
              2. shark
                shark 20 December 2013 08: 56
                -1
                Perhaps in vain. But I will not apologize. Besides, I personally have nothing against Bagatur. not to love a company with "brothers". Although what I mean. They are partners in one very specific block. And everyone knows who this block is directed against. And you say 400 monuments. Yes, at least five hundred. There is a fact.
            3. iConst
              iConst 20 December 2013 15: 08
              0
              Quote: shark
              more than a million in the war against the Turks,

              Faq This is when it was?
              1. Bagatur
                Bagatur 20 December 2013 16: 17
                +4
                The Bulgarian-Russian war liberating us for 1877-1878. I can assert in full serialism that the irretrievable losses are killed, sanitary, missing persons froze to the Balkans, incl. and to the Caucasus Front no more than 30! Eto is not a little but ... more than a million ?! The Danube army began the war with 000 in service .... If the shark is right (and he is not) then it means that the entire army, including the entire Guard and the rest of the reinforcements, were sent to Russia from the Balkans and the Caucasus after 286 Pleven storming! and much more ... This is our liberators we remember and honor! Eternally the glory of a Russian soldier, he defeated the mediocre generals and technical backwardness for nothing! No political situation is able to eclipse this in the consciousness of the Bulgarian people ... And before he blames us for NATO and the EU ... please be kind and consider whether all UTB happened if the USSR, VD, SIV did not collapse ... Why UTB happened, who is to blame? Are they Bulgarian again? Bulgaria is not unique in this attitude ... there is no country that was a former ally of the USSR outside these structures ... I can’t understand why it only hates us so badly ...
                1. Azzzwer
                  Azzzwer 20 December 2013 22: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: bagatura
                  . And before you blame us for NATO and the EU ... please be kind and think about whether all this happened if the USSR, VD, SIV did not collapse ...
                  no offense and without any hatred ... but in 1 and 2 Bulgaria’s worldwide participation in blocs opposing Russia ... you know, it’s not very nice to get a knife in the back when you reach out for a shake ...
                2. Kazakhstan
                  Kazakhstan 15 February 2014 06: 27
                  0
                  Bagatur speaks correctly. I myself talked a lot with the Bulgarians at work. Very hardworking and friendly people. And I respect the fact that the Russian Army provided fraternal assistance to the brothers - Slavs from friendly Bulgaria. The simple Russian and Bulgarian peoples are united in their aspirations, despite the mediocre generals. Eternal glory and memory to those who gave their lives in defense of the Fatherland!
              2. Azzzwer
                Azzzwer 20 December 2013 22: 44
                0
                Quote: iConst
                Quote: shark
                more than a million in the war against the Turks,

                Faq This is when it was?
                Russian-Turkish wars: 1568 — 1570 • 1672 — 1681 • 1686 — 1700 • 1710 — 1713 • 1735 — 1739 • 1768 — 1774 • 1787 — 1791 • 1806 — 1812 • 1828 — 1829 all 1853 • 1856 all put it together, those killed, those who died from wounds and illnesses, stolen in full, unborn children, then we can safely say that for a million run over ...
                1. Bagatur
                  Bagatur 20 December 2013 23: 00
                  +1
                  We ate so well, you can have more than a million ... but have all the children of war fought for us? The fact that Turkey weakened is good for us, but not for the Bulgarians (excluding 1877-1878), but Russia fought for its interests ... that's right!
                2. iConst
                  iConst 21 December 2013 16: 19
                  +5
                  Quote: Azzzwer
                  if all this is put together, those killed, those who died from wounds and diseases, stolen in full, unborn children,

                  Perky arithmetic. You can safely declare a billion - with an approximation of a thousand years ... laughing

                  Stunned - yellow house, really ...
            4. Sibiryak42
              Sibiryak42 23 December 2013 23: 56
              +1
              In general, one should not wish anything bad to anyone, but the leaders of countries that behave accordingly should say their "fi". You are completely wrong about your Bulgarian friend. Why should he forget the Polish king who died for the freedom of Bulgaria? He did not forget this, just as he did not forget the thousands of Russian soldiers and officers who gave Bulgaria freedom from the Turkish yoke. He does not forget and does the right thing. You should apologize to him for your inadequate post, to put it mildly.
              1. Kazakhstan
                Kazakhstan 15 February 2014 06: 29
                0
                I completely agree 100%.
          4. edge
            edge 20 December 2013 03: 07
            +1
            Quote: bagatura
            What is the hope for the collapse of Ukraine and then what will the jackal take away?

            Namely, they are very good students of Europends, to sniff and hide behind someone (Belarusians are too tough for them, they won’t give the Baltic geyrop, who is left?)
        3. Basarev
          Basarev 19 December 2013 20: 21
          +3
          Meanwhile, the Poles are planning to rush into the crowd - they are somehow scared to go it alone, here they are planning in alliance with the Baltic states, Sweden and Finland. So: the Swedes themselves have recently admitted that they will last a maximum week in the event of an attack. All of Europe laughs at the Baltic parades .Only Finland remains, since Poland can be ignored, since the Poles themselves obviously can not stand against Russia - because the Poles realize that in the singular Poland can not be overcome without any difficulty.
          1. edge
            edge 20 December 2013 03: 14
            +1
            Quote: Basarev
            Only Finland remains

            and the Finns, all the more, will not turn up, they sacredly honor the precepts of Marshal Manerheim, and they will not ruin economic relations for the sake of psheks (who will chop the branch on which he sits), especially since there are tendencies leading to the collapse of the Eureka coz
          2. Azzzwer
            Azzzwer 20 December 2013 22: 55
            +1
            Quote: Basarev
            , since the Poles themselves obviously can’t stand against Russia - after all, the Poles realize that singularly defeating Poland does not amount to any difficulty.
            Yeah, imagines himself a sea urchin somehow a sea mine. Pouted all of the importance ... pouted, pouted, and burst, only the bubbles went on the surface of the water ....
        4. their
          their 20 December 2013 05: 25
          +1
          For 500 years they have dreamed of seizing the "east" and break off. But why does Russia not want to capture them during the war? This is also a big mistake, our ancestors died in order to perish again in the future, instead of conquering Europe completely. It is necessary to put a full point, how many mistakes of ancestors can be repeated. They have Russophobia at the genetic level, which threatens the future of Russia and the CIS.
      2. Simon
        Simon 19 December 2013 16: 06
        +5
        Yes, of course, the Balts will help them with a huge army with modern weapons and will remain without warriors who can carry a rifle. At the parade, we have already seen such an army with one tank. laughing
      3. Shur
        Shur 19 December 2013 19: 07
        +2
        How to say .. For example, a film about the valiant Estonians "the atrocities of the Estonian occupiers in Pskov" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41qbwKcq1VA
        The rest are also no better "On the atrocities of the Latvian and Estonian fascists" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJtccoCRSGQ
        Such are the Baltic traditions.
        I mean, points must be set, and not left hemorrhoids to the next generation. If such pseudo-states are the source of problems, then why do they exist and the people themselves suffer in them and there are a lot of problems from them.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 19 December 2013 20: 28
          0
          But almost recently, the Balts wanted to shake compensation from Russia into a bunch of lards, considering their stay in the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union as occupation ... And it was estimated that the Balts could live comfortably without doing anything for 80 years. Such a story in general
    5. Sandov
      Sandov 19 December 2013 09: 22
      +5
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Well, history does not teach Lyakhov anything ... For hundreds of years, the same rake sets in.
      Well, nothing shines on them in the east except zvizdyulin! It’s time to understand already ...


      Yes, many follow their path. Like literate people, they can read and write. Would read a story. Or they have it so distorted that the opposite result comes out.
      1. Simon
        Simon 19 December 2013 16: 11
        +3
        So Poles only in one case are winners when Russia is helped with a common enemy. And so, whoever comes to us will leave without teeth or from the sword and die. fool
    6. RUSSIA 2013
      RUSSIA 2013 19 December 2013 09: 27
      +10
      YES, Pshikov has good allies, Finns, Swedes, in which case they’ll be by themselves anyway, they’ll fuckers, and these mongrels are small Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, in which 2 tanks for three are just crazy, and Poland is more and more like A European prostitute, ready to lie under anyone, now at the moment under Amerov, I just think that the policy of Pshikov, and the dwarfs of the Baltic states, looks like patients with schizophrenia, Great Russia, these patients are unnecessary.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 19 December 2013 11: 35
        +24
        Quote: RUSSIA 2013
        YES good at Pshikov allies, Finns, Swedes


        Probably they are still dreaming of the realities of the Commonwealth and the power of Sweden 17-18th century, but all this ended with the collective Minin And Pozharsky with Susanin in addition, and Poltava, They do not want to understand and remember that as soon as you contact Russia all this imaginary power will blow like smoke. like a goldfish, the mistress of the sea in Pushkin's fairy tale, can endure and condescend for a long time to the frank greyhound of the newly-minted Great, but The result will be one for all — a broken trough.
        "Oh, Wan, look what clowns .." (From V.S. Vysotsky)
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 19 December 2013 12: 11
          +11
          Quote: Ascetic
          Probably they still dream of the realities of the Commonwealth and the power of Sweden 17-18th century, but all this ended with the collective Minin And Pozharsky with Susanin in addition

          Dobzhiks are also very prone to "collectivism" in the sense that they always attack only in a pack and never alone.
          They must remember their "tour" to the Kremlin in February 1617.
          And then this happened for one reason, that part of the Russian army drove south the Cossack rogue Ivan Zarutsky, planning to bring to the throne the three-year-old son of False Dmitry II, and near Pskov hostilities with the Swedish prince Karl Philippe had not yet ended.
          It was here that Vladislav Korolevich made an attempt to "rush to Muscovy." Qualitatively, he snatched from the young Misha Fedorovich and returned home to "cheer up" on the evil and inhospitable brothers-Slavs.
          Later there were other "tourists" and they all ended up in the winter.

          Threat. Until they start production of boots, fur quilted jackets and fur coats with a separate index finger for the trigger, they will not come.
          1. smile
            smile 19 December 2013 15: 28
            +13
            Ptah
            By the way, this nocturnal Vase is the same Vladislav as I was Bartolomeo - he, zarraza, a purebred Swede, did not know a single word in Polish ... but when he played with his new Polish subjects who invited him (if anyone didn’t know - the Poles always sold their king’s workplace) they kicked him out of the Swedish throne .... :)))
            And this one ... Vase for the first time in the Coat of Arms of Poland introduced lands from Sweden to Russia. Completely.
            Thus, Poland officially declared - there is no such state - Russia, there are Polish lands temporarily inaccessible to the Poles, inhabited by Russians ....
            Fifteen hundred years have passed, and a new, still unbeaten generation of Poles is planning to get a hare and lose the color of their army in the next war of aggression ... and as always - short-term and not very intense .... :)))
            No, they are perhaps incorrigible .... :))))
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 19 December 2013 16: 00
              +5
              Vova, good evening !! Long time ago already told about one episode from my life. In 1990. for good work we were rewarded with a ticket to Minsk, Vilnius and Riga. We lived in Intourist in Minsk, and traveled to the Baltic states by bus. I didn't go anywhere ... But not the point. At the market, people bought cosmetic sets from a Pole. We sit in the evening in an international tourist. The guys began to use their purchases. And, suddenly, all the garbage let's fall out on the floor ... The people are in sorrow ... And it must be, this Pole seller is walking along the corridor, who sold this whole thing to them !! In short: our Ural miners fully recovered all the damage from him. I barely beat him off from them ... Ours also polished his number and said: "God forbid you call the police ...". Didn't call. Moved out in the morning ...
              1. smile
                smile 19 December 2013 16: 49
                +5
                pensioner
                Greetings!
                Hmm ... it’s hard to live in the world, the businessman Pete, beating him in the face, the buyer Sirozh! :)))) The costs of the prohvessii ... :)))) I hope the Pole avenged Susanin too? :)))
                By the way, in a similar situation, the Poles would give him exactly the same pumpkin - they, like us, try to do without the police. :)))
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 20 December 2013 07: 35
              +2
              Quote: smile
              By the way, this nocturnal Vase is the same Vladislav as I was Bartolomeo - he, zarrza, is a purebred Swede, did not know a single word in Polish

              I'm asking you Pan laughing , we are about the same "pot", that is to say Vase are thinking?
              I'm sorry repeat ,but Wikipedia damn (kudy without her request ) states:
              It was mentioned that Vladislav was interested in painting, later he became the patron of artists. He read and wrote in German, Italian and Latin, but he spoke only in Polish.
              1. smile
                smile 24 December 2013 03: 41
                +2
                Corsair
                My fault. mixed up with Sigismund Vase. He almost didn’t speak, this one went crazy in Polish ... I confess ... the prolapse came out .... will you swear? :)))
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 4 January 2014 12: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: smile
                  Will you swear?

                  Nah laughing
          2. edge
            edge 20 December 2013 03: 20
            +1
            Quote: Ptah
            Until the production of boots, fur quilted jackets and fur coats with a separate index finger for the trigger

            they’ll not fix it, unambiguously, they also go robbing, raping, killing, all in the best European traditions .......
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 19 December 2013 14: 42
          +2
          Already at the beginning of the 18 century, Russian cavalry trampled Poland.
    7. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 19 December 2013 09: 39
      +32
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Well, history does not teach Lyakhov anything ... For hundreds of years, the same rake sets in. Well, nothing shines on them in the east except zvizdyulina! It’s time to understand already ...


      It is useless ... Poland is a kind of experiment of the Almighty on the subject of what would happen if the madhouse was declared a state.
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 19 December 2013 09: 57
        +4
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Poland is a kind of experiment of the Almighty on the subject of what would happen if the madhouse was declared a state

        Beautifully said and most importantly everything is in target :)
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 19 December 2013 11: 48
        +8
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        idiosyncratic experiment



        Error in the word, it’s more correct to write EXTRAM.

      3. edge
        edge 20 December 2013 03: 27
        +1
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Poland is a kind of experiment of the Almighty on the subject of what would happen if the madhouse was declared a state.

        not only psheks, but also the Baltic states show how low you can go down (squatting, karachki, traditionally or non-traditional) hi
      4. bobba94
        bobba94 24 December 2013 20: 14
        +3
        Sakhalin residents. The comment is correct, respect to you
    8. Trailer
      Trailer 19 December 2013 09: 42
      +12
      The fifth section of Poland to be!
      1. edge
        edge 20 December 2013 03: 33
        +2
        Quote: Karavan
        The fifth section of Poland to be!

        Sorry, -absorption with its inclusion in Belarus, together with the Baltic states-Lukashenko alive with his teeth with claws b / y file grinds ..... good and the great Polish dream will come true drinks
        1. sapran
          sapran 20 December 2013 09: 15
          +1
          Excuse me, my dear, which side? Will he match this feat? not purely interesting? (maybe it was not in vain then that "Psheki" arranged this "booze" with their own aircraft?)
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    10. Sterlya
      Sterlya 19 December 2013 09: 58
      +3
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Well, history does not teach Lyakhov anything ... For hundreds of years, the same rake sets in.
      Well, nothing shines on them in the east except zvizdyulin! It’s time to understand already ...

      If hundreds of years stepped on the same rake. this can no longer possibly be changed. this disease is incurable laughing
      1. bizhkoyri
        bizhkoyri 19 December 2013 12: 51
        +2
        Hto don’t jump that one !!))) So they jump on the rake)))
    11. A.YARY
      A.YARY 19 December 2013 10: 10
      +5
      Doctrine of Polish Fangs


      The Polish Armed Forces themselves, of course, will not swarm, but here, as part of the general picture, NATA is a weighty appendage at our borders.
    12. duke
      duke 19 December 2013 10: 34
      +18
      there lived 3 brothers — a father-in-law, Lech (hence the Poles) and ... attention - Russ ... but it seems that two brothers were smart, and the third ... not just a note d.urak, but a complete adiet, everything would be a saber wave it ... Who remembers what Cain Abel killed for? Where is fraud hate coming from? There are, there are Ukrainian Zapadentsev-Natsiks from whom to learn this grave sin ... Lech who does not remember kinship, has no gratitude, does not remember how he was saved from fascism, there wouldn’t be such a nation now. There’s a lot of gentry, and it seems like a little witty ( I’m not talking about the whole people, it’s interesting that there are a lot of absolutely normal and sane people, but about throaty, pro-American politicians). Lenin gave them, from bounty, to revolution, the timelessness + lands to them in the west and north, after the war, they cut off at the expense of Germany, maybe before waving the sword, they would give the Germans these lands first, after all, a Stalin gift, since the Russians are enemies? And we need to continue to remember that not all Slavic brothers should be saved in trouble — then they are more expensive for themselves. It seems that for some it’s without pills, but without gingerbread ... although kanesh is clearly whose ears and horns stick out because of their backs and other Balkans ...
      1. A.YARY
        A.YARY 19 December 2013 10: 42
        0
        Baldays...
        laughing hi
      2. Shur
        Shur 19 December 2013 19: 21
        +1
        Yes, you don't just need to pay attention to some Wishlist, if they climb to smash and take it in, completely exclude statehood until the other peoples decide how to deal with them. And cure-cure from hatred. "Peace enforcement"
      3. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 19 December 2013 21: 27
        +5
        And there is such a version of our (both Polish and Swedish history), the version is very clear and logical, the author is Alexander Kas:

        So, by 1614 the following situation developed. Three independent states were formed on the territory of the Empire:

        1. The Russian Empire is the legal heir to the Great Russian-Horde Empire. At the head of the lawful Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich. Religion-Orthodoxy. The territory from America in the east, to about the borders of modern Moscow and Smolensk regions. In the south-up, approximately, the line of Voronezh-Saransk and down the Don. In the North, to the borders with the Novgorod and Pskov principalities (not including). See map:

        2. The Kingdom of Poland is the largest fragment of the Empire separating Western Europe from the Metropolis. Religion - Uniate Church, i.e. de jure ruled by the Pope, but in fact Orthodoxy. At the head is the King of Poland and the Grand Duke of Russia Sigismund-Dmitry Vaza. Territory see a map.

        3. The Swedish kingdom. Headed by Mikhail Ivanovich Shuisky (reflected in TI as the Swedish king Charles IX and the Prussian Duke Albert-Friedrich). Religion - Lutheran Church. Territory - the Baltic coast, including Estonia, Livonia, Prussia, the Pskov and Novgorod principalities, all of Scandinavia and Denmark.

        That is, the Great Troubles in the Empire led not only to a territorial split, but also to a religious split. It could not be otherwise. Long wars begin between the three new states. And at the same time.

        TI is not clear, why would it. Well, what should Swedish fishermen do near Moscow, and what about the Polish gentry near Kaluga? It should be borne in mind that the war for territory and natural wealth in Europe began only at the end of the 19th century. Prior to this, ALL WARS IN EUROPE WERE FOR THE THRONE-CROWN-TITLE, while the main condition was the legitimacy of claims and religious blessing. If there is no legitimate heir, then it makes no sense to wage war - all the same, no one will recognize and the church will not bless, and even worse, it will anathema.

        According to my version, everything is clear - all three forces are fighting for the common heritage of the Empire, all three forces already had their leader on the throne of this Empire and consider themselves legitimate and legitimate heirs of one country.


        You can read in detail, for example, here: http://bayda-site.ucoz.ru/forum/20-54-1
        1. Shur
          Shur 19 December 2013 22: 26
          0
          Religions and not only do not fit into the version ..
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 19 December 2013 22: 56
            +2
            Quote: Shur
            Religions and not only do not fit into the version ..

            Everything fits perfectly. Troubles in Russia and the Reformation in the West at the same time. TI tells us that Orthodoxy allegedly separated from the Catholics in some ancient times, but it is more likely that the Catholics separated from the Orthodox during the reformation, it was a reformation of the Western church. Not for nothing our church - orthodox, the old rite, the Catholic - new.
            1. Shur
              Shur 20 December 2013 00: 04
              +1
              In Russia, the church, namely the Orthodox Greek rite, the term "Orthodox" I think got out during the split. Catholicism had clearly separated earlier. Here I agree. But I do not believe in the adoption of a certain common Christian doctrine. The split can be traced precisely in religion. That is, ideological, as in principle it is now. West East. Does confusion remind you of anything? Let's say our times? Not out of nowhere, I think it happened.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 25 December 2013 17: 17
                +1
                Quote: Shur
                In Russia, the church, namely the Orthodox Greek rite, the term "Orthodox" I think got out during the split.

                And I think that the term "Greek rite" got out when the Romanovs rewrote history, and before that there was just a Russian Orthodox Church.
            2. Shur
              Shur 20 December 2013 00: 12
              +1
              What I'm getting at is that it was the expansion of the Papal. They lied on the dynastic rules, they would have put anyone, it is important that, then they constantly pulled everyone into union and so on. It is inappropriate to talk about the struggle of the post-imperial formations here, but it makes sense to talk about the "crusade" of Catholicism to Russia. They have been doing this for a very long time and I'm afraid the metropolis collapsed like the USSR .. by purposefully undermining from within and tearing off pieces. The same scheme to this day.
            3. Shur
              Shur 20 December 2013 00: 34
              0
              From pedia, but before that I had read, for example, about the "Papal heresy", where they imposed anathemas on each other in 1050 and so on. The "heretics" separated long ago, certainly not in the 16th century. Here are these "inquisitors". In addition to everything, the Pope, one must not forget, possessed all the secular power. This is a war for faith, first of all, they were going to bring down competitors. And the International led to Russia led by the Polish. That's why the impostors were needed. Everything is as old as the world.
        2. Shur
          Shur 19 December 2013 23: 37
          0
          Here, read the real alignment of religious affairs of the time http://tainy.info/history/avtografy-smutnogo-vremeni/
          I mean, religion played an important role at that time, and not just a redistribution of thrones.
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    13. 222222
      222222 19 December 2013 10: 58
      +7
      Poland remained in the pre-war illusions of 1939 .. But there are other views on the world in Europe
      December 17 2013
      !!!! "European leaders call for a fresh look at security issues in the Euro-Atlantic region" Statement by the European Leaders Network
      http://russiancouncil.ru/inner/?id_4=2864#top
      .. "the strategy of nuclear deterrence and mutual assured destruction remains. Large strategic nuclear forces remain on alert, ready to launch within minutes; thousands of tactical nuclear weapons remain in reserve in Europe. A decade ago debate on missile defense Insufficient attention has been paid to the emerging security challenges of Rapid Strike Forces, cybersecurity, and space. The current state of affairs is dangerous and potentially destabilizing. It does not build the trust needed to work together to address emerging security threats in Europe and in all over the world.
      Our peoples are paying for this. In the current environment, security risks are growing, as are defense spending, diverting resources from fulfilling fiscal objectives and internal development priorities. In the field of nuclear weapons alone, the price of the issue in this region is rampant - about $ 500 billion. "
      .................................................
    14. iConst
      iConst 19 December 2013 11: 17
      +3
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Well, history does not teach Lyakhov anything ... For hundreds of years, the same rake sets in.
      Well, nothing shines on them in the east except zvizdyulin! It’s time to understand already ...

      People have imperial thinking (which Russians are losing not without the help of "partners"). They remember Greater Poland.

      But this country and people is ordered from above to be marginalized - they do not like Russia and are unlikely to love it (hehe). And the West does not really favor them: from history, the Polish gentry has always been considered second-class chivalry.

      But the Poles are fighting for their land perfectly, this cannot be taken away.
      1. xan
        xan 19 December 2013 12: 04
        +5
        Quote: iConst
        But the Poles are fighting for their land perfectly, this cannot be taken away

        It's for sure - dashing, but silly.
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 19 December 2013 15: 36
          +2
          http://youtu.be/STh6wv0Brxk

          Quote: xan
          dashing, but silly.

          Slavs, however. It is a pity that Russians can get along only after several years of living in Siberia.
      2. Ptah
        Ptah 19 December 2013 12: 19
        +5
        Quote: iConst
        But the Poles are fighting for their land perfectly, this cannot be taken away.

        That's for sure .... One lieutenant Hans Kloss (performed by Stanislav Mikulsky) is able to work out a couple of divisions. Well, also 4 million tankers and one one thousand Zobaka.
        1
        1. iConst
          iConst 19 December 2013 16: 19
          +1
          Quote: Ptah
          That's for sure .... One Lieutenant Hans Kloss ...

          Thank God, domestic propaganda films were locked up in a far corner, where the Germans were not just idiots - there was no way to find words ... It was just that time.

          Incidentally - and now, what is better removed? One youngest with his stalingrad is worth ... laughing
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 19 December 2013 18: 29
            +3
            "Bet More Than Life" is not a domestic film industry, but the most that neither is the Polish film industry.
            I remember one time it went in the summer at 15.20 after the release of the news. We guys liked it.
            Especially the envy of all was the toy "Parabellum" brought to me by my aunt from the GDR. Heavy and small.
            I hit them all "enemies" at any distance and from any position ... laughing laughing wassat
      3. Andrey57
        Andrey57 19 December 2013 12: 51
        +4
        But the Poles are fighting for their land perfectly, this cannot be taken away


        Probably, because they are fighting "superbly", they and Suvorov gouged them to smithereens in a month, and all the other Germans also repeatedly tore a heating pad like a tuzik laughing I'm not talking about the repeated sections of Poland. fellow
      4. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 19 December 2013 14: 33
        +2
        Quote: iConst
        But the Poles are fighting for their land perfectly, this cannot be taken away.


        Yah? Straightly famously ... especially in the 39th they famously succeeded ... already in a week and a half they were smeared like feces on a shoe. And the army at the Poles was not very much weaker than the German one.
        1. iConst
          iConst 19 December 2013 15: 56
          +5
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          Yah? Straightly famously ... especially in the 39th they famously succeeded ... already in a week and a half they were smeared like feces on a shoe. And the army at the Poles was not very much weaker than the German one.

          We don’t know history well - the forces were unequal. The complete superiority of the German army in numbers and weapons + tactics of tank attacks and the most powerful aviation corps. Nevertheless, the Wehrmacht suffered the most severe losses until 41 years. That French-English-hell-knows-whose contingent, yes, fought shitty.

          In addition, the USSR also had a hand in it - the battles were, at least not so large-scale. And Slovaks ...

          And the Poles did not have protected areas and, consequently, time and such human resources.

          We study the topic first, and then ...
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 19 December 2013 16: 12
            +3
            Quote: iConst
            The complete superiority of the German army in numbers and weapons + tactics of tank attacks and the most powerful aviation corps. Nevertheless, the Wehrmacht suffered the most severe losses until 41 years.

            During the attack on Poland, the Wehrmacht did not yet know the "blitzkrieg" and deep tank breakthroughs. They fought in the old fashioned way and the losses were, respectively, 1 to 0.8 in favor of the Germans (technical superiority affected.
            1. iConst
              iConst 19 December 2013 16: 28
              +3
              Quote: Setrac
              During the attack on Poland, the Wehrmacht did not yet know the "blitzkrieg" and deep tank breakthroughs. Fought the old fashioned way

              You guys, at least take a look at Wikipedia, not to mention serious resources. Each other makes tighter stuffing ...

              Why would the Germans "in the old fashioned way" get involved in the Second World War? They, that they were fools and did not assume that the Anschloses and the attack on Poland would be ignored by the Britos and Franks? Stop fantasizing ...
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 19 December 2013 16: 37
                +2
                Quote: iConst
                You guys, at least take a look at Wikipedia, not to mention serious resources. Each other makes tighter stuffing ...

                I advise you to follow your advice, take an interest in how you fought in Poland. The idea of ​​a blitzkrieg appeared AFTER the Polish campaign.
                1. iConst
                  iConst 19 December 2013 17: 15
                  +4
                  Quote: Setrac
                  The idea of ​​a blitzkrieg appeared AFTER the Polish campaign.

                  Well, proof in the studio ... Che so unfounded ...

                  For his part, he read Guderian, others about Guderian. According to various sources, he was obsessed with this idea. In addition to him, tactics were shared by other well-known military leaders, in particular Manstein.

                  And even earlier - the idea was borrowed from ... Soviet strategists (in the 30s, many Wehrmacht commanders were trained in Soviet tank schools).
                  In particular, Tukhachevsky promoted the ideas of mechanized corps for powerful strikes and a breakthrough of enemy defenses.

                  Then Guderian developed it in his own way, but the essence remained the same.

                  It’s just that in the Polish campaign no one built any illusions about the result and paid little attention to tactics.

                  But when they rolled out the Anglo-French corps, then they clutched their heads. Here is the answer. Germany entered the game with an ace in her hand - read my early post.

                  And the last argument - do you really think that in half a year you can develop a new doctrine and introduce it into the army? Himself not funny? laughing
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 19 December 2013 17: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: iConst
                    For his part, he read Guderian, others about Guderian. According to various sources, he was obsessed with this idea. In addition to him, tactics were shared by other well-known military leaders, in particular Manstein.

                    Think one thing and apply another. Before minus the question, ask. Poland was defeated without any fancy by quantitative and qualitative superiority. I also thought earlier that they entered the war already so "advanced", no, the Wehrmacht developed during the war, like other armies.
                    1. iConst
                      iConst 19 December 2013 18: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Think one thing and apply another. Before minus the question, ask. Poland was defeated without any fancy by quantitative and qualitative superiority. I also thought earlier that they entered the war already so "advanced", no, the Wehrmacht developed during the war, like other armies.

                      You ignored my last question - how can you come up with, and even more, implement a completely new strategy in half a year?

                      I did not minus. In general, I very rarely give negative assessments, especially since there is a dispute - the opposition of arguments. But on your part, apart from unfounded and frankly stupid statements, there is nothing.

                      Proof or not? I've already dragged two bags of popcorn ... laughing

                      Here are two excerpts (although I do not like such sources):
                      Quote: Polish campaign of the Wehrmacht (1939)

                      The German command assumed that the war should be short (the concept of a blitzkrieg). In two weeks, the Polish army should be completely destroyed, and the country occupied. This plan was based on the widespread use of aviation and, above all, dive bombers, which were entrusted with the task of supporting the advance of mobile formations from the air. Almost all of the armored equipment was concentrated in five corps, which were supposed to find weak spots in the enemy’s defense, overcome it on the move and enter the operational space, winning the flanks of the Polish armies. In the future, a decisive battle for encirclement and destruction was assumed, with the infantry corps having to act against the enemy’s front, and the moving parts - to attack him from the rear [23].
                      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Польская_кампания_вермахта_(1939)

                      Quote: Blitzkrieg
                      One of the first attempts to conduct a blitzkrieg was made by German troops during the First World War on the Western Front. According to Schlieffen’s plan ....

                      The first blitzkrieg in practice was successfully carried out by German military strategists (Manstein, Kleist, Guderian, Rundstedt and others) at the beginning of World War II during the capture of Poland: by the end of September ...
                      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Блицкриг

                      Well? Will there be evidence? Or a full drain?
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 19 December 2013 20: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: iConst
                        Well? Will there be evidence? Or a full drain?

                        Well, you at least read your links, in the same place the "first attempt" is written in Russian and white, it was an unsuccessful attempt, I can tell you, because in Poland there was a banal exchange of soldier for soldier and so on.
                        Maybe I put it wrong, the idea of ​​a blitzkrieg was born earlier, but they were able to realize it much later.
                      2. iConst
                        iConst 19 December 2013 22: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Well, you at least read your links, in the same place the "first attempt" is written in Russian and white, it was an unsuccessful attempt, I can tell you, because in Poland there was a banal exchange of soldier for soldier and so on.
                        Maybe I put it wrong, the idea of ​​a blitzkrieg was born earlier, but they were able to realize it much later.

                        Jopt, you put on the second glasses or invite the interpreter - take two: One of the first attempts to conduct a blitzkrieg was made by German troops during The First World War on the western front. According to Schlieffen’s plan .

                        In general, my friend, you are no longer interested in me - I do not want to waste my time, adyu ...
                      3. Setrac
                        Setrac 19 December 2013 22: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: iConst
                        Jopt, you put on the second points or invite the interpreter - take two: One of the first attempts to conduct a blitzkrieg was made by German troops during the First World War on the Western Front. According to Schlieffen’s plan ....

                        In general, my friend, you are no longer interested in me - I do not want to waste my time, adyu ...


                        I don’t know EPT or EPT, I am telling you in Russian that SUCCESSFULLY this tactic was applied AFTER the Polish company, and what they tried there, the question is different EPRST.

                        And if "adyu" then do not answer.
                      4. iConst
                        iConst 19 December 2013 23: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        I don’t know EPT or EPT, I am telling you in Russian that SUCCESSFULLY this tactic was applied AFTER the Polish company, and what they tried there, the question is different EPRST.

                        For the fiftieth time I ask - where is the evidence? Frankly - are you down or not? Settled as an ass - after ... after .. after ... Where is the confirmation?

                        So far 2-0 in my favor.
                      5. Setrac
                        Setrac 19 December 2013 23: 32
                        -3
                        Quote: iConst
                        For the fiftieth time I ask - where is the evidence? Frankly - are you down or not? Settled as an ass - after ... after .. after ... Where is the confirmation?

                        Read and compare how the war went on against Poland and against France itself, the volumes are not within the framework of this discussion.
                        Quote: iConst
                        So far 2-0 in my favor.

                        Judge on the soap !!! Did you award yourself? Soap and let you go.
                      6. Clegg
                        Clegg 20 December 2013 12: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Judge on the soap !!! Did you award yourself?

                        may I be a judge, 2-0 in favor of iConst
                      7. Setrac
                        Setrac 20 December 2013 12: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Clegg
                        may I be a judge, 2-0 in favor of iConst

                        Now there will be twice as much soap.
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 19 December 2013 23: 26
            +6
            Quote: iConst
            Quote: Blitzkrieg
            One of the first attempts to conduct a blitzkrieg was made by German troops during the First World War on the Western Front. According to Schlieffen’s plan ....

            The first blitzkrieg in practice was successfully carried out by German military strategists (Manstein, Kleist, Guderian, Rundstedt and others) at the beginning of World War II during the capture of Poland: by the end of September ... http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Blitzkrieg

            Well? Will there be evidence? Or a full drain?


            Read the first paragraph. It clearly says - "... one of the first attempts ...".
            And if you carefully reread "Memories of a Soldier" by Nimble Heinz, you will notice that in Poland, it didn’t smell like blitzkrieg.
            Before Poland, there was a golem theory. In Poland, there is an attempt to develop initial tasks for the interaction of armored vehicles, aircraft and infantry in a real combat situation.
            To be honest, Vika is also "that" source ... laughing
          3. iConst
            iConst 20 December 2013 11: 11
            -1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Read the first paragraph. It clearly says - "... one of the first attempts ...".

            You are two of the casket - you see equally poorly or the causal perception is impaired:
            One of the first attempts to conduct a blitzkrieg was made by German troops during The First World War
            .
            First, damn it, p-e-r-in-o-th. Poland, my friend, this is the second - I repeat - w-t-o-r-ah! laughing

            No, it's time to dump this forum. Tryndets some. Debelism rolls over ... As with a jammed gramophone you are talking ... laughing

            The end of August 39th ...
            Hitler with his retinue inspects the troops who were prepared for the offensive.
            Suddenly a field opens on his gaze, where a tuyeva pile of tanks with engines started. Hitler’s amazement has no limits - he abruptly turns to Guderian - who?, Where from ?, they eat gasoline immeasurably! ...
            Guderian looks at Manstein - Hitler turns to Manstein - he shrugs and shakes his head - I don’t know anything ... - Hitler turns around and bumps into Goering.
            He bulges his eyes and powerfully buzzes: My Fuhrer! My air fleet is ready at your first command to rise and defeat the enemy wherever he is. My eagles ... - Hitler instantly forgets about the tanks, his face is smoothed out and they both walk away from the rattling tins ... Following is a crowd of generals ...

            Guderian looks at Manstein - but in fact, who ordered to stamp this crap? Manstein shakes his head again - I don’t know - maybe Kleist knows? Kleist hears his name behind them, jumps out and hides behind a tree.
            Guderian thinks a little more, and then he says - and, figs with him, I’ll come up with something. Come on, brother Manstein, we’ll have a beer ... They’re leaving ... Kleist peeps out from behind a tree ...

            So the concept of blitzkrieg was born ...
    15. uyrii67
      uyrii67 20 December 2013 21: 51
      0
      There was only one joint tank school (in the 30s, many Wehrmacht commanders were trained in Soviet tank schools) closed in 1933 with the advent of Hitler. Not at all numerous. So do not la la.
      1. iConst
        iConst 21 December 2013 16: 38
        0
        Quote: uyrii67
        There was only one joint tank school (in the 30s, many Wehrmacht commanders were trained in Soviet tank schools) closed in 1933 with the advent of Hitler. Not at all numerous. So do not la la.

        How many? One? Or two? Enlighten me, expert.

        So don't moo! Did they leave as janitors? Several dozen regular military personnel who became unit commanders - not numerous? Or do you need "millions"? laughing
    16. Sibiryak42
      Sibiryak42 24 December 2013 08: 32
      0
      I would like to clarify: they did not undergo training, but taught themselves, and not in tank schools, but the only water school in Kazan. The entire leadership of this school consisted of Germans, and both German cadets and Russians studied there. The training was carried out on German tanks until, in my opinion, 1932 or 1033, i.e. before Hitler came to power. The German government paid for the maintenance of the school and for providing it with the necessary resources. In other words, it was a German school and the training was carried out by officers of the German army, who trained German cadets plus a contingent of Soviet troops. But not the other way around.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 19 December 2013 21: 28
    0
    I also remember that the Wehrmacht’s European campaign was called the Blitzkrieg.
  • uyrii67
    uyrii67 20 December 2013 18: 04
    0
    Why ignore ??? Organize, and "strange war" in the West will be waged and Germany "bombed" with leaflets !!! And instead of impoverished aircraft, they will promise 1 MV rifles in a couple of three months. Do not read Wikipedia.
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  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 19 December 2013 14: 45
    +1
    Russia is not losing imperial thinking very much, but rather acquiring, but thinking more rationally.
    1. iConst
      iConst 19 December 2013 16: 14
      -7
      Quote: EvilLion
      Russia is not losing imperial thinking very much, but rather acquiring, but thinking more rationally.

      Oh yeah? And what is this expressed in? Proof to the studio! ..
  • 222222
    222222 19 December 2013 11: 30
    +3
    Chicago Tribune
    February 24, 1938 The Polish-German Union forms against Russia
    Poland, Warsaw, February 23
    The Alliance of Germany and Poland against Russia began to take on certain forms today, when General Field Marshal German Hermann Wilhelm Goring dined at the Warsaw Castle. He was accompanied by Polish President Ignacy Mostitsky, Field Marshal of the Polish Army Edward Rydz-Smigly, as well as the Polish Colonel and Foreign Minister Jozef Beck.
    http://perevodika.ru/articles/23936.html
    ... and then it was September 1, 1939 ... and Poland was gone ...
  • self-propelled
    self-propelled 19 December 2013 11: 49
    +9
    smiled a little - Polish script Russian blitzkrieg smile
    let's start with a simple one - compare the territory of Poland and Russia, compare the composition and number of armed forces, compare the number of combat-ready population, or better yet, compare the "political weight" - who is Poland (together with the Baltic states and "Vikings") and WHO IS RUSSIA!
    1. Akim
      Akim 19 December 2013 11: 59
      +4
      Quote: self-propelled
      Polish script Russian blitzkrieg

      The author just wanted to add peppercorns.
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 19 December 2013 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        The author just wanted to add peppercorns.

        understand. but it is better to have peppercorns in pilaf than in the pursuit of "glory" (just kidding) smile
        1. Akim
          Akim 19 December 2013 12: 12
          -2
          Quote: self-propelled
          than in pursuit of "glory"

          Poland has no plans for an offensive. Only defense and counterattack to the exits on the borders of its border.
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled 19 December 2013 12: 32
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Poland has no plans for an offensive. Only defense and counterattack to the exits on the borders of its border.

            looks like the strategy of the Balts. only the Balts have a problem with the "counterattack before reaching the borders of their borders" (without taking into account NATO support, if there is any). how is Poland in this regard?
            1. Akim
              Akim 19 December 2013 12: 44
              +2
              Quote: self-propelled
              How is Poland in this regard?

              So far not very, but the army is being modernized. Armored vehicles are not being increased, but are being changed. (By the year 20, only Leo-2PL, Leo 2A5 and RT-91? BWP-1 will remain and the remaining SCOT will also be put into reserve and replaced with Anders and KTO Rosomah.
              In general, the article has the correct numbers, but do not add, but put an exchange sign.
          2. ultra
            ultra 19 December 2013 14: 30
            +4
            Quote: Akim
            Poland has no plans for an offensive.

            Do you personally know the plans of the NATO command, under what circumstances did this happen, if not secret? hi
            1. Akim
              Akim 19 December 2013 14: 32
              +2
              Quote: ultra
              under what circumstances did this happen, if not secret?

              Look at the scenarios of Polish teachings.
              1. ultra
                ultra 19 December 2013 15: 28
                +1
                The scenario of the exercises is not an indicator of military doctrine! Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq are examples!
                1. Akim
                  Akim 19 December 2013 16: 30
                  -2
                  Quote: ultra
                  Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq are examples

                  What does the Polish army have to do with a coalition acting in such cases? Or is it the old Soviet scarecrow about NATO. So, there, too, everyone was intimidated by the red threat.
            2. Simon
              Simon 19 December 2013 16: 17
              +1
              It looks like cowards are changing for swimming trunks, there is nothing new. request
            3. iConst
              iConst 19 December 2013 18: 20
              +2
              Quote: ultra
              Do you personally know the plans of the NATO command, under what circumstances did this happen, if not secret?

              And what does Poland have to do with it - if we are talking about NATO? Come on, we’ll also drag the Martians here ...
          3. Simon
            Simon 19 December 2013 16: 15
            +1
            So Russia doesn’t have any plans for a war with the Poles, so maybe there’s no need to stir hype on the border, otherwise if it didn’t work out? fool
            1. Akim
              Akim 19 December 2013 16: 32
              +2
              Quote: Simon
              , so maybe it’s not necessary to induce hype on the border, otherwise if it didn’t work out?

              But how then to justify the money for the Ministry of Defense. There is no enemy - think up.
          4. Vasek
            Vasek 19 December 2013 18: 51
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Poland has no plans for an offensive. Only defense and counterattack to the exits on the borders of its border.

            And their "own border" in their understanding runs somewhere along the Dnieper.
            1. Akim
              Akim 19 December 2013 19: 14
              -1
              Quote: Vasek
              in their understanding, somewhere along the Dnieper passes.

              No, in Kiev at the monument to Khmelnitsky. You at least do not live a gentry.
    2. rolik2
      rolik2 19 December 2013 12: 33
      +1
      Quote: self-propelled
      smiled a little

      At least one adequate person has appeared good
  • Nu daaaa ...
    Nu daaaa ... 19 December 2013 12: 10
    -17%
    A možet naoborot? Už bolno horošo utšil? I poljaki svoi uroki vyuchili ...

    http://www.proza.ru/2009/06/11/68
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 19 December 2013 12: 18
      +11
      vidimo plokho viuchili, raz do sikh por schitaete russkih okkupantami i agressorami
      and now in Russian - apparently poorly learned, since you still consider Russian occupiers and aggressors
      1. Akim
        Akim 19 December 2013 12: 32
        +3
        Quote: self-propelled
        apparently poorly learned, since you still consider Russian occupiers and aggressors

        This is such a nationwide policy. Our Natsiks also believe in their swamp.
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 19 December 2013 12: 36
          +6
          Quote: Akim
          Our Natsiks also believe in their swamp.

          Our Natsiks were pleased with the fascist invaders and considered them liberators. and now they are held in high esteem in the western regions, but this does not change the historical truth ...
          1. Akim
            Akim 19 December 2013 12: 50
            -7
            Quote: self-propelled
            but this does not change the historical true ...

            It all depends on the history textbook. The liberation of Kiev can be imagined as a holiday, or as a day of remembrance, for tens of thousands of fallen, as unnecessarily vain victims.
            1. self-propelled
              self-propelled 19 December 2013 13: 00
              +4
              Just about, someone considers Hitler "the savior of the world from communism", but this does not absolve him of responsibility for crimes against humanity. in fact, history is a statement of facts. and who understands this statement and how is everyone's personal business ...
            2. Shur
              Shur 19 December 2013 19: 38
              0
              Will this change the truth?
        2. T80UM1
          T80UM1 19 December 2013 13: 08
          +1
          Akim, but we all understand that Russian Ukrainians are firstly not enemies, and secondly they are a single people ...
          1. Akim
            Akim 19 December 2013 13: 14
            0
            Quote: T80UM1
            Akim, but then we understand that Russian Ukrainians are not enemies in the first place

            We understand that, but children ... especially in places rich in Hutsuls.
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 19 December 2013 13: 22
              0
              By the way, how's your situation with the revolution? I hope everything comes back to normal?
              1. Akim
                Akim 19 December 2013 13: 27
                +3
                Quote: T80UM1
                I hope everything comes back to normal?

                There will be a football match between Euromaidan and Anti-Maidan.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 19 December 2013 14: 17
                  +3
                  Quote: Akim
                  There will be a football match between Euromaidan and Anti-Maidan.

                  "Match of Death" - the patriots of the Motherland (the "Start" command) against the invaders and their henchmen.

                  Quote: Wikipedia
                  The first game took place on 7 on June 1942 on Sunday, at 17: 30 at the stadium of the Sports Palace (the Olympic Stadium was called at that date) between Rukh and Bakery. "Start" won with the score 7: 2.

                  21 June “Start” - Hungarian garrison team - 6: 2
                  The composition of the "Start" according to the poster: Trusevich, Klimenko, Sukharev, Balakin, Putistin, Goncharenko, Chernega, Komarov, Korotkikh, Kuzmenko, Sotnik, Tkachenko, Sviridovsky.
                  28 June "Start" - the artillery team (Germany) - 7: 1
                  5 July “Start” - “Sport” (Ukrainian sports society) - 8: 2
                  The composition of the "Start" according to the poster: Trusevich, Klimenko, Sviridovsky, Balakin, Sukharev, Tkachenko, Goncharenko, Chernega, Komarov, Korotkikh, Putistin, Kuzmenko, Sotnik, Tyutchev.
                  The composition of "Sport" according to the poster: Golembiovsky, Tkachenko A., Buy, Rozhkov, Penkin, Pichugin, Portnov, Gundarev, Dubovik, Yuzhda, Kitasov, Stadnis, Nogachevsky.
                  17 July “Start” - military team “RSG” (national team of the railway, Germany) - 6: 0
                  The composition of the "Start" according to the poster: Trusevich, Klimenko, Sviridovsky, Sukharev, Balakin, Tkachenko, Goncharenko, Chernega, Komarov, Korotkikh, Putistin, Timofeev.
                  19 July “Start” - “MSG. Wal. ”(Hungarian part) - 5: 1
                  The composition of the "Start" according to the poster: Trusevich, Klimenko, Sviridovsky, Sukharev, Balakin, Tkachenko, Goncharenko, Chernega, Komarov, Korotkikh, Putistin, Timofeev.
                  26 July “Start” - “GK SZERO” (Hungarian units team) - 3: 2
                  The composition of the "Start" according to the poster: Trusevich, Klimenko, Sviridovsky, Sukharev, Balakin, Putistin, Goncharenko, Chernega, Komarov, Korotkikh, Timofeev, Kuzmenko.



                  Almost all matches were judged by a lieutenant named Erwin, who didn’t help anyone.
                  Then, the Flakelf team played against the Soviet football players (a team made up of soldiers and air defense officers (anti-aircraft gunners), as well as pilots and mechanics of the Kiev airfield).
                  The first meeting took place on 6 August 1942 year. “Start” won with a crushing score 5: 1.

                  On August 16 “Start” played against “Rukh” and won with the score 8: 0. This was the last match.


                  PS:Interesting result IT match ...
                2. bomg.77
                  bomg.77 19 December 2013 14: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  There will be a football match between Euromaidan and Anti-Maidan.

                  The most important thing is who will be the main judge.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 19 December 2013 14: 34
                    0
                    Quote: bomg.77
                    The most important thing is who will be the main judge.



                    Quote: Corsair
                    Almost all matches were judged by a lieutenant named Erwin, who didn’t help anyone.
                3. Shur
                  Shur 19 December 2013 19: 40
                  0
                  Strange I thought boxing championship angry
        3. Simon
          Simon 19 December 2013 16: 22
          +2
          This, what is it, the whole world lives on world politics, and yours is public. Thus, your Natsik will drag you all into his swamp. fool laughing Do you have a sound mind?
          1. Akim
            Akim 19 December 2013 16: 34
            -1
            Quote: Simon
            This, what is it, the whole world lives on world politics, and yours is public.

            Let the whole world stand on his head, let’s figure it out in his hut.
      2. Nu daaaa ...
        Nu daaaa ... 19 December 2013 12: 49
        -24%
        Razumejetsa, 17 sentjabrja 1939 goda SSSR stala osvabaždat Polšu. Tolko interesno, ot cego osvoboždat? Ili vsetaki razdelili Polšu meždu germanij i SSSR, arestovali poljakov i oni etogo ne zabyvali? I seichas vspomnjat. I gotovjatsa k oborone svoei gossudarstvo.
        1. Deniska999
          Deniska999 19 December 2013 12: 53
          +15
          We have returned our territories, Western Belarus and Western Ukraine. This is not Polish land.
        2. Deniska999
          Deniska999 19 December 2013 12: 53
          +1
          We have returned our territories, Western Belarus and Western Ukraine. This is not Polish land.
        3. Akim
          Akim 19 December 2013 13: 03
          +2
          Quote: Nu daaaa ...
          17 sentjabrja 1939 goda SSSR stala osvabaždat Polš

          Not our map - Polish
          And a little lower that we "occupied". only his own.
          1. Akim
            Akim 19 December 2013 13: 12
            0
            Here, somewhere like that ...
            1. Nu daaaa ...
              Nu daaaa ... 19 December 2013 16: 56
              -8
              A mozhet poljaki toze "tolko svoju" hoteli?

              1. Akim
                Akim 19 December 2013 17: 04
                +2
                Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                A mozhet poljaki toze "tolko svoju" hoteli?

                So why don’t the entire Kievan Rus be given to the Mongol-Tatars in this case? Poland gained independence in 18, enshrined in the Treaty of Versailles and international law. And guarantees from the world community for its sovereignty. This is a modern relationship, not the time of Charlemagne.
              2. iConst
                iConst 19 December 2013 23: 18
                +3
                Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                A mozhet poljaki toze "tolko svoju" hoteli?

                Well, this is complete nonsense. Date - 1333 year! Then you can remember the Roman Empire. laughing
        4. self-propelled
          self-propelled 19 December 2013 13: 09
          +4
          Quote: Nu daaaa ...
          Razumejetsa, 17 sentjabrja 1939 goda SSSR stala osvabaždat Polšu. Tolko interesno, ot cego osvoboždat? Ili vsetaki razdelili Polšu meždu germanij i SSSR, arestovali poljakov i oni etogo ne zabyvali? I seichas vspomnjat. I gotovjatsa k oborone svoei gossudarstvo.

          Well, yes, and throughout the post-war period Poland lived very poorly "under the communist yoke of the USSR." the Poles themselves shouted "glory to the USSR". and, well, yes, apparently they were forced. and financial assistance within the framework of the Internal Affairs Directorate was forcibly imposed on Poland ... it was bad when the Union was "bashing" for you. now everyone is "bashing" for himself. and I'm happy about that. everyone is free to choose their own path ...
        5. T80UM1
          T80UM1 19 December 2013 13: 10
          +18
          1920 Poland attacked the USSR and rejected Western Ukraine and Belarus. Think everything is forgotten? Do you think Estonia forgave the bronze soldier ??? do not hope, answer for everything, not with your back but with your head!
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 19 December 2013 20: 37
            -13%
            Quote: T80UM1
            do not hope, answer for everything, not with your back but with your head!

            Before whom? is it in front of you? Shovels are tired of already
            1. iConst
              iConst 19 December 2013 22: 42
              -11%
              Quote: Clegg
              Before whom? is it in front of you? Shovels are tired of already
              laughing
              I agree ...
            2. user
              user 19 December 2013 22: 53
              +5
              You follow the bazaar at the market. . . .
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 20 December 2013 11: 59
                +3
                Quote: user
                You follow the bazaar at the market. . . .

                Are you a wolf? wassat
                What the ?
          2. iConst
            iConst 19 December 2013 22: 37
            -2
            Quote: T80UM1
            1920 Poland attacked the USSR and rejected Western Ukraine and Belarus. Think everything is forgotten? Do you think Estonia forgave the bronze soldier ??? do not hope, answer for everything, not with your back but with your head!

            Why do you smoke? In 20, it was the Soviets that decided to "help" the Polish proletariat and organized a campaign against Warsaw. Nothing less was supposed to export the revolution to Poland and Germany. Only the Polish proletarian, due to his meager mind, did not accept the idea of ​​universal equality and brotherhood and opposed the "benefactors."

            Learn the story, gentlemen. From what you like or dislike what was - it was.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 19 December 2013 23: 00
              +2
              Quote: iConst
              It was no less than supposed to export the revolution to Poland and Germany.

              What are you smoking, quit this thing. I do not know about Germany, but Poland at that time was part of the Empire and was torn away from Russia by the West.
              Quote: iConst
              Only the Polish proletarian, due to his meager mind, did not accept the idea of ​​universal equality and brotherhood and opposed the "benefactors."

              Cut out all those who disagree, and then, like Germany, is to blame that there are so few Poles.
              Quote: iConst
              Learn the story, gentlemen. From what you like or dislike what was - it was.

              According to your brochures from the State Department? God forbid.
              1. iConst
                iConst 20 December 2013 11: 30
                +3
                Quote: Setrac
                however, Poland at that time was part of the Empire and was torn away from Russia by the West.

                Your knowledge is below the plinth - on December 10, 1917, the independence of Poland was recognized by a decree of the Council of People's Commissars ...
                Before peremptorily carry all nonsense, it would not be bad if only to rummage through the internet, since there are no other sources.

                Maybe Finland chopped off the west? AND? laughing
                1. Khazarin
                  Khazarin 11 January 2014 13: 53
                  +1
                  Tukhachevsky’s campaign in Warsaw was a continuation of the Polish war against Soviet Russia, which began in 1919 and was occupied by Minsk and Kiev! No need to carry a blizzard, about angelic hussars! And with Finland it is not so simple!
              2. Kunar
                Kunar 27 February 2014 19: 05
                0
                Learn the story, not enough ....
          3. Khazarin
            Khazarin 11 January 2014 13: 47
            0
            Not in 20m, but in1919, and occupied Minsk and Kiev, in alliance and Petlyura!
        6. Vasek
          Vasek 19 December 2013 19: 00
          +3
          Quote: Nu daaaa ...
          Chicago Tribune
          February 24, 1938 The Polish-German Union forms against Russia
          Poland, Warsaw, February 23
          The Alliance of Germany and Poland against Russia began to take on certain forms today, when General Field Marshal German Hermann Wilhelm Goring dined at the Warsaw Castle. He was accompanied by Polish President Ignacy Mostitsky, Field Marshal of the Polish Army Edward Rydz-Smigly, as well as the Polish Colonel and Foreign Minister Jozef Beck.
          http://perevodika.ru/articles/23936.html

          Hota would have been worth it already.
        7. duke
          duke 19 December 2013 19: 10
          +2
          Well, yeah ... if you take into account, the fact that Warsaw itself was built on Russian lands and the capital was moved there by the king from Krakow, precisely so that these lands could be staked out for Poland ... and you please explain about some insults .. .who would be offended ...
        8. Shur
          Shur 19 December 2013 19: 52
          -1
          Let’s discuss this with the Poles .. The Poles themselves are aware of who, whom and from what they freed-Belzhets, Warsaw, Gross-Rosen, Zoldau, Majdanek, Sobibor, Treblinka, Kulmhof, Stutthof and of course Auschwitz. I understand this only as an excuse for you, but if you were a person, you would not have asked such a question. Read not people http://pbs990.livejournal.com/116982.html
        9. iConst
          iConst 19 December 2013 22: 16
          +1
          Quote: Nu daaaa ...
          Razumejetsa, 17 sentjabrja 1939 goda SSSR stala osvabaždat Polšu. Tolko interesno, ot cego osvoboždat? Ili vsetaki razdelili Polšu meždu germanij i SSSR, arestovali poljakov i oni etogo ne zabyvali? I seichas vspomnjat. I gotovjatsa k oborone svoei gossudarstvo.

          Well, it is clear that large countries were solving their geopolitical problems.
          And, as if the Poles and the Baltic states were not offended, but, due to the fact that the political weight of these countries was small, they were only a bargaining chip in the games of the powers that were strong at that time.
          The same Britain has paved the way for Poland with a promise to regulate German aggression on September 1, 1939. And she did not keep her word. And the Poles believed and waited, on which they lost the priceless first day of the invasion.

          But Poland does not need to be made an innocent sheep - there is no smoke without fire. There were still those bastards - and Belarusians were spread rot and Ukrainians ...
      3. Simon
        Simon 19 December 2013 16: 19
        +2
        So they want revenge, they don’t teach history at all, or they give history upside down. fool
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 19 December 2013 14: 37
      +6
      [quote = Nu daaaa ...] A možet naoborot? Už bolno horošo utšil? I poljaki svoi uroki vyuchili ...

      Taaaa ani pGosta vEllEkOLLEpny .. NE fighters and how there are devils .. and how many of them to join them platoon of Ezton horse divers so immediately chase ettih Rutskys already that Vladivatsok ....
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    4. smile
      smile 19 December 2013 15: 44
      +6
      Nu daaaa ..
      And why is she them. Interesting, teaches? The last five thousand years, the Poles have wanted to enslave us. and quite officially ... it only led to the destruction of their state - but it was strange if we would endure them further ... in the beginning of the 20th century Poland appeared again ... And what did she do right after she appeared? It rushed into a predatory war against us .... it is clear that it was armed and incited by the countries of the Entente .... but nevertheless it was the Poles who climbed to rob and enslave Russia ... this very characterizes them ... then they, along with Hitler, tore Czechoslovakia , then they planned to rob us with him, they were not lucky, their accomplice nailed them himself ... and again, the bright plans for enslaving Russia broke ... and now, again, a new, unbeaten generation of Poles plans to defeat us in the short-term non-intense conflict .... :)))
      No. Their history teaches nothing ... nothing ....
    5. Shur
      Shur 19 December 2013 19: 36
      +4
      Time is the most rigorous examiner, see ..
  • Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 19 December 2013 12: 25
    +2
    last time, when Poland relied heavily on its allies and yelled a lot, at the most crucial moment it was between the Wehrmacht and the Red Army. How it ended everyone remembers.
  • bereg
    bereg 19 December 2013 12: 39
    +2
    it's just that all Europeans are masochists, and they really wait every hundred years, they take us out and rake us
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka 19 December 2013 12: 42
    +5
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    Well, history does not teach Lyakhov anything ... For hundreds of years, the same rake sets in.
    Well, nothing shines on them in the east except zvizdyulin! It’s time to understand already ...

    And who told you that they want something in the East? Of course, there are fools everywhere, as without them, but not to the same extent.
    The article, of course, is the delirium of a hedgehog in a fog. Rather, it is called: "Incitement to ethnic hatred" and why it is necessary to the mind is not understandable.
    1. avg
      avg 19 December 2013 17: 52
      +5
      The article, of course, is the delirium of a hedgehog in a fog. Rather, it is called: "Incitement to ethnic hatred"

      The article quite objectively shows Poland’s efforts to strengthen its armed forces.
      The article does not even show a small fraction of the caveman hatred that daily spills onto the pages of Polish media. We can observe the results on the example of a change in the attitude of Polish youth towards Russia, compared with older people.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 19 December 2013 13: 10
    +1
    Yes, no - you really forgive me for my arrogance, and in general maybe I’m wrong, but the point is different: the state is easier to exist when there is an enemy, albeit mythical.
    You all know that.
    This also justifies the defense industry (development of technologies, jobs, etc.), the threat to several countries of the "bloc" opens up prospects for cooperation, which is also UNIMPORTANT for the economy.
    Yes, and allows you to rely on any help from the richer countries that are members of NATO, and united by one problem of protection against a common enemy.
    In addition, it allows you to strain the economy of your “enemy” competitor.
    Imagine, because of the exorbitant spending on the defense industry, our economy "sagged", there is not enough money, where will we run for loans and credits? -Europe, including who benefits? -Europe ... Especially when they began to live worse.
    Not critical, but worse, and with their "unregulated" journalists (Guardian, Snowden) - there will be such a storm (the government was unable to ensure economic growth, and why was it then? ...) - and the governments will fly off.
    It will fly away.
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 19 December 2013 16: 02
      +1
      Quote: mirag2
      Yes, no - you really forgive me for my arrogance, and in general maybe I’m wrong, but the point is different: the state is easier to exist when there is an enemy, albeit mythical.

      This is an illusion and self-deception, for the state it is very bad and especially for the people who live in it. For the authorities - YES, especially when there are big internal problems. But we must always remember that power is not a state, it is something temporary and usually harmful to ordinary people.
  • Megatron
    Megatron 19 December 2013 13: 58
    0
    We’ll bang them with the Iskanders, and not a single piece of iron will even come out of the hangar.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 19 December 2013 14: 08
      +4
      Quote: Megatron
      We’ll bang them with the Iskanders, and not a single piece of iron will even come out of the hangar.

      You have a perverted idea of ​​the purpose of these missile systems.
  • Simon
    Simon 19 December 2013 16: 01
    0
    And the zvizdyulins are already in Kaliningrad and cannot wait to restore order to them. laughing laughing wassat
  • Bagatur
    Bagatur 19 December 2013 16: 19
    +4
    As Churchill said 70 years ago: The Polish government cannot tell if there is reason ... "
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 19 December 2013 17: 03
    0
    Schizophrenia is protected in their national code.
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  • Gennady1973
    Gennady1973 19 December 2013 18: 46
    +2
    history must be taught to THEM! I don’t want to swear! "KAM" !!!! for whom and what did our grandfathers and great-grandfathers liberate. YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you fucked up your homeland in 2 weeks and want to teach us how to live? ??? WOULD NOT even be the word Poland Lithuania Estonia .. If it were not for the USSR. Just Germany .... and especially VYACHATLITILNY PIBBBBALLTIKI can be recalled.
  • Shur
    Shur 19 December 2013 18: 59
    +1
    And who taught them? In general, it was necessary to resolve the issue earlier. Now you have to put an end to it ..
  • Army1
    Army1 19 December 2013 19: 41
    +1
    The Air Force plays a key role in military power. We need the strongest Air Force, and more BTA tankers, EW, AWACS and strike aircraft, more, more, more! fellow
  • wow
    wow 19 December 2013 20: 01
    +4
    Well, no x ... I do not understand with whom my "historical" relatives were going to fight !? I am a cadre service Pole (DRA), my dad is a cadre service Pole (DRV, Syria), a grandfather service Pole (Finnish, WWII, died during the liberation of Prague on 8.09.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX). It looks like my "historical ancestors" God deprived the mind FOREVER!
    1. alone
      alone 19 December 2013 21: 10
      +1
      ))) Actually, the article causes some distrust. Well, let's say Poland hopes for Swedes and Finns. Well, you can somehow understand this. but about the Baltic, it's just absurd. You think 2-3 T-55s can somehow play a role in the defense of Poland?
      No.
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  • kelevra
    kelevra 20 December 2013 22: 30
    +1
    Bravo Bravo good
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 26 February 2014 10: 02
    0
    Tse Svidomo Rada Solomon Klyara ??? No YaytsenyuHov they tell you) 2 steps to Geyropu) 2 steps to Russia) step forward and two back) Ukram takizh got Big Evgeyskoe HAPPINESS ........))))))))))
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 19 December 2013 08: 28
    +15
    Maneuvers took place at 11 training grounds in Poland and the Baltic countries, more than 6 thousand soldiers, 13 ships, more than 50 aircraft and helicopters, 350 armored vehicles took part in them - and why we did not announce a complete mobilization angry laughing ? And why didn’t there be hysteria in the media with shouts Poles go laughing.
    1. koksalek
      koksalek 19 December 2013 08: 36
      +10
      Quote: avant-garde
      Maneuvers took place at 11 training grounds in Poland and the Baltic countries, more than 6 thousand soldiers, 13 ships, more than 50 aircraft and helicopters, 350 armored vehicles took part in them - and why we did not announce a complete mobilization angry laughing ? And why didn’t there be hysteria in the media with shouts Poles go laughing laughing.

      Well, they will fold together and buy another tank for their joint army.
      1. Sargord A.
        Sargord A. 19 December 2013 09: 16
        +6
        Or they’ll roll out a formidable PL-01 Concept. Nothing that the cardboard armor, but there are STELS.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 December 2013 08: 38
      +17
      This is a doctrine or preparation for the next ogrebone.im generally Warsaw was not tired of restoring request
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 19 December 2013 08: 46
        +10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Warsaw is not tired of restoring

        whatever the Poles would do just to ...
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 19 December 2013 09: 08
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Is it a doctrine or preparation for the next ogrebon
        Twenty-fifth episode "Four tankmen and a dog", Sasha, hi !
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 December 2013 10: 15
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          Twenty-fifth episode "Four Tankmen and a Dog"

          Hello! Vitya, I don’t remember what was in episode 25 request
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 19 December 2013 11: 13
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Vitya, I don’t remember what was in the 25 series

            So 25 series is just the above scenario from the position of Poland, laughing !
      3. DEfindER
        DEfindER 19 December 2013 10: 41
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Is it a doctrine or preparation for the next ogrebon

        It’s always interesting to read about Poles, what did they even think up there, and most importantly, they were always and forever predictable, whatever they did, all openly against us, without intrigue and hypocrisy .. But in general I would like to even say something that in their defense, the development of the military-industrial complex still really gives people work and develops the economy, and perhaps this will somehow smooth out their economic crisis ..
    3. duke
      duke 19 December 2013 10: 43
      +1
      because... yes
  • Booby
    Booby 19 December 2013 08: 36
    +24
    How can psheks win the war if they cover tanks with camouflage nets "under foliage" in the snow in winter? )))
    1. builder
      builder 19 December 2013 09: 11
      +7
      The snow will melt very quickly, I would say evaporate along with the tanks
    2. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 19 December 2013 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: Bukh
      How can psheks win the war if they cover tanks with camouflage nets "under foliage" in the snow in winter? )))


      It’s such a shitty summer they had, don’t you understand what !!! wassat laughing
  • svskor80
    svskor80 19 December 2013 08: 41
    +11
    Thus, the Polish armed forces clearly do not follow the European trend to reduce the number of troops and heavy weapons. On the contrary, Poland is building up the strength of its armed forces. Polish experts almost openly say that Russia is the main enemy of Poland.

    Let them build up, financially break through faster and come to the state of the Baltic states in the field of army and armaments. It is just necessary to observe the saying every cricket is on its own six, and Poland has long been a country of the wrong level to fight with Russia.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 19 December 2013 09: 40
      +4
      Quote: svskor80
      and Poland has long been a country of the wrong level to fight with Russia.


      God forbid, of course, but ...

      Poland will not be alone ("In the war with Russia, Poland is counting on the Baltic states, Sweden and Finland.") ... all the Baltic states will join it, the EU will start financing together with amers and mercenaries from all over the world.
    2. Fin
      Fin 19 December 2013 10: 43
      +3
      A political or economic conflict with Belarus or Russia may lead to a war with Russia, Warsaw’s desire to exert influence on states economically controlled by the Russian Federation

      They know very well what they can grab. They understand that there is no chance and still the complex of great power overshadows the mind. Treatment through a psychiatric hospital. And NATO "partners" are only too happy to amass unnecessary weapons.
      Doctrine of Polish Fangs

      "Baby teeth" will be better.
  • Igor39
    Igor39 19 December 2013 08: 42
    +7
    Taking into account the above “black scenario” of the development of a military conflict with Russia, experts of the National Center for Strategic Studies suggest:

    - to establish good neighborly and trustful relations with neighboring states, including Russia and Belarus;

    - to intensify cooperation with the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance and the European Union;

    - improve and develop the potential of the Polish Armed Forces;
    Complement: Stop licking the yankees ass ...
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 19 December 2013 09: 31
      +4
      Quote: Igor39


      - to establish good neighborly and trustful relations with neighboring states, including Russia and Belarus;

      - to intensify cooperation with the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance and the European Union;

      - improve and develop the potential of the Polish Armed Forces;
      Complement: Stop licking the yankees ass ...

      For my part, I will note: "Where I went to sleep, there is the Motherland!" (From the film "Alexander Nevsky").
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 19 December 2013 08: 44
    +20
    “They further declare that the Russian Armed Forces will easily cover Polish airfields with missile strikes from the Tochka-U and Iskander tactical missile systems, destroying the base of the Polish air force - 48 F-16 fighters. Then the Russian attack aircraft Su-27 and Su-30 will neutralize command posts and communication centers of the Polish Armed Forces.After that, the Russian Air Force planes will easily strike at the country's infrastructure - power plants, pipelines, highway and railway junctions, large industrial enterprises, etc. Russian fighter aircraft in the amount of 200 aircraft will easily conquer air supremacy. The defeat of the Polish troops will be completed by the strikes of Russian artillery and armored and mechanized formations, which can pass through the whole of Poland in an avalanche. "

    In the end, drunken bearded paratroopers with bayonet-knives cut the surviving women and children. smile
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 19 December 2013 08: 47
      +12
      Quote: Vladimirets
      In the end, unshaven bearded paratroopers with bayonet-knives cut the surviving women and children.

      Et you from the Polish children's fairy tales took a phrase laughing
    2. Guun
      Guun 19 December 2013 08: 48
      +16
      Quote: Vladimirets
      In the end, unshaven bearded paratroopers with bayonet-knives cut the surviving women and children.

      Riding tame bears and with PPSH for an edge!
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      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 19 December 2013 08: 50
        +25
        Quote: Guun
        Riding tame bears and with PPSH for an edge!

        so?
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 19 December 2013 09: 12
          +7
          I would be better urgent in the bear cavalry served. Volunteer.
          1. Sergey Sitnikov
            Sergey Sitnikov 19 December 2013 16: 24
            +1
            only fleet !!!!
    4. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 19 December 2013 09: 24
      +15
      Kadyrov will be sent there with his retinue by some paratroopers to scatter.
    5. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 19 December 2013 12: 23
      +5
      you forgot, you still have to rape a pregnant polka. Th in vain the monument is to disappear. Poland resembles an annoying pug in a svor. spinning between the clutches of the Great Dane, German Shepherd, American Bulldog and trying to yap, but each time out of place.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 19 December 2013 14: 39
        0
        Quote: tolyasik0577
        you forgot, you still have to rape a pregnant polka.

        Well, it goes without saying, first rape, then stab.
  • HAM
    HAM 19 December 2013 09: 01
    +9
    And why do they so want someone to attack them, and Poland is a victim, only this is a victim .... (well, the "Turkish citizen" correctly identified the name of the victim).
    1. Onotollah
      Onotollah 19 December 2013 10: 28
      +15
      Quote: HAM
      And why do they so want someone to attack them

      Well, it’s like in that bearded joke:
      Woman from the 5th floor, playfully:
      -Male, I'm afraid of you !!
      -And that you are afraid of me?
      -You will rape me !!
      -So I'm downstairs, and you are on the 5th floor.
      -So I’ll come down to you now !!
      1. Bagatur
        Bagatur 19 December 2013 18: 13
        +2
        What Vy-Women !, What Vy want-Do not know! When you want it, get-Now!
  • makarov
    makarov 19 December 2013 09: 05
    +9
    You never know what the rulers of Poland want. To want does not mean to be .. let them write fantastic stories, enjoy reading and puff out their cheeks from paper greatness.
  • darksoul
    darksoul 19 December 2013 09: 08
    +9
    what kind of people, the dream has already come true: they have accepted into the European Union and still look to the east and look forward to the bear, the Poles, thoughts will materialize, enough is enough, put the trouble on your jo ... poo
  • brainkiller
    brainkiller 19 December 2013 09: 09
    +8
    It was necessary to exterminate them during the liberation from Nazi Germany, you see there would be no one to desecrate the graves of our fallen soldiers.
    1. Shur
      Shur 19 December 2013 20: 23
      0
      Why act with their methods, but of course it was necessary to reset these buffers.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 19 December 2013 09: 10
    +4
    Polish experts, relying on the United States, clearly forgot the sad experience of 1939.

    Have not forgotten. Only this is the lot of small countries - to hide under someone's wing. And if our country allowed itself to be ruined by the traitors, then there is nothing to be surprised at: JACKALS are capable of attacking a weakened patron. "Tochki" and "Iskander" - yes, but Russia needs not only to rise from its knees, but also to show its strength.
  • Baton
    Baton 19 December 2013 09: 12
    +7
    One thing can be said - PARANOIKI ...
    1. Shur
      Shur 19 December 2013 20: 24
      +1
      Yes, ordinary Euros.
  • Mikhail Topor
    Mikhail Topor 19 December 2013 09: 13
    +7
    thoughts that Russia will attack someone characterize the extremely limited mind of a thinker. Or his bias. All the same words of Comrade Stalin "You, either, or the enemy."
    He just doesn’t understand that cooperation with an emerging Russia is good for any nation (from small to large). Even Asians (like Vietnam) realize this, but enlightened Poles do not. Sorry for them.
  • propolsky
    propolsky 19 December 2013 09: 14
    +9
    From sea to sea - this is of course interesting, but do those countries agree to be part of Poland?
    1. Konstantm
      Konstantm 19 December 2013 09: 33
      +4
      Quote: propolsky
      From sea to sea - this is of course interesting, but do those countries agree to be part of Poland?

      Of course we agree !!! Who will ask their consent.
      1. avg
        avg 19 December 2013 18: 11
        +1
        The main thing is that they agreed with the seas. fellow
  • sapran
    sapran 19 December 2013 09: 20
    +6
    Rave. The author is far from life. Nothing but a demonstration of the presence of aircraft. So far, in Poland they are just learning to fight in different levels and complexity of conflicts. Being in the army is quite difficult (they are clearly too sophisticated with the requirements, and the Poles are a little careless), but therefore they are easy to motivate and therefore learn quickly. After the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, a huge number of reduced officers went to other countries. Many starting from 0 in the same Foreign Legion have already received the colonels of the French Armed Forces (which is really worth a lot).
    The author is not clear what he painted here, honestly. I could briefly say that there are, relatively speaking, self-defense forces and there are parts of the so-called "Expeditionary Corps" + parts that are on duty in the EU system, everything, and that it is at the stage of formation and debugging. And so only bts plus signs to collect and provoke patriots.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 19 December 2013 12: 14
      +1
      and many Polish colonels in the Foreign Legion?
    2. xan
      xan 19 December 2013 12: 21
      +1
      Quote: sapran
      So far, in Poland they are just learning to fight in different levels and complexity of conflicts.

      Polish generals need to depict activity, and so they compose fairy tales about joint defense with Russia against other countries. They do not have the capabilities and will not have, so all their efforts look comical.
      Quote: sapran
      After the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, a huge number of reduced officers went to other countries. Many starting from 0 in the same Foreign Legion have already received the colonels of the French Armed Forces (which is really worth a lot).

      And what does it have to do with it? Does it affect the defense of Poland?
      The Poles need to learn real wars, operations similar to Iraqi and Afghan, or defense against Russia as part of NATO, but not with those listed allies.
      1. sapran
        sapran 19 December 2013 12: 38
        +3
        You just may not believe it, but it is in Iraq and Afghanistan that they are running around the officers at both points, the feedback is more than positive. Officers who have positive certification during participation in these conflicts have preferences for training in foreign colleges and various courses. so the new generation will be well-versed.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 19 December 2013 13: 52
          +5
          Quote: sapran
          You just may not believe it, but it is in Iraq and Afghanistan that they are running around the officers at both points, the feedback is more than positive.

          Something tells me that the nature of the war with Russia will be different and the Afghan experience will not help them.
        2. Shur
          Shur 19 December 2013 20: 33
          +1
          It will simply be someone who will command the next "Galicia" Yes, there is no threat of personnel shortage. So what? The very rhetoric of recent years emanating from Poland is an overly unfriendly vyser towards Russia. Everything else is in the same canvas ..
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 19 December 2013 09: 23
    +11
    "In the war with Russia, Poland is counting on the Baltics, Sweden and Finland." But how can you defeat Russia without them? Indeed, it is in the Baltic States that the most powerful striking force is concentrated - a whole tank! laughing
    1. NEMO
      NEMO 19 December 2013 16: 07
      +2
      Quote: Stiletto
      Poland counts on war with Russia The Baltic states, Sweden and Finland. "Well, how can we defeat Russia without them? After all, it is in the Baltic States that the most powerful striking force is concentrated - the whole tank!

      I propose to see the military parade in Latvia, a real demonstration of the strength and power of the Armed Forces crying, I don’t recommend watching it for especially impressionable people, I personally, after watching it, couldn’t fall asleep ... laughing
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 20 December 2013 00: 01
        +1
        Quote: NEMO
        I personally, after watching, could not fall asleep ..

        I also ))))))))) laughing the phrase of the operator about two rubber boats and as a conclusion:
        "For our shores, we can be calm" laughing laughing laughing
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 19 December 2013 09: 26
    +15
    It reminds one of a lady who doesn’t need anyone, wandering through the dark alleys of the park in the hope of meeting a maniac.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 19 December 2013 09: 32
    +3
    from the Don.
    Honor at the gentry was always higher than the roof, but how did it always end? Trendyulina either from us or from the Germans.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 19 December 2013 09: 46
      0
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      Honor u gentry always been above the roof


      good

      ... only to Ukrainians (in terms of ambitiousness) to them as to China as cancer.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 19 December 2013 16: 24
        0
        Quote: I am a Russian
        ... only to Ukrainians (in terms of ambitiousness) to them as to China as cancer.

        It was impossible to do without this ukrophobic attack? In what ways did Ukraine overtake Poland against Russia? Did you join NATO? Attacked Russia? Tell us about "Ukraine's ambitions"!
        1. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 20 December 2013 19: 22
          -1
          Quote: Setrac
          What Ukraine against Russia overtook Poland?


          to begin with: in my koment mention Ukrainians, not Ukraine
          - as well as in Russian what is written

          You minus for the fact that the mention of Ukrainians in the comment affected you like a red rag on a bull. All this is unfortunate.

          Quote: Setrac
          Tell us about "Ukraine's ambitions"!


          I see that it is natural for you to turn a blind eye to the obvious and see the situation in Ukraine through a pink prism.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 25 December 2013 17: 15
            0
            Quote: I am a Russian
            to begin with: in my koment mention Ukrainians, not Ukraine

            Well, of course, these are completely unrelated concepts? Then, in another way, tell us how Ukrainian ambitions overtook Polish ambitions? (Poland, the gentry - so that later they do not pay off).
            Quote: I am a Russian
            You minus for the fact that the mention of Ukrainians in the comments acted on you like a red rag on a bull. All this is unfortunate.

            And you minus, but just like that, for balance, minus minus, and so that their ukrophobia is not shoved anywhere.
            Quote: I am a Russian
            I see that it is natural for you to turn a blind eye to the obvious and see the situation in Ukraine through a pink prism.

            And what does the topic of this article have to do with it? Cons put in fact for the flood is not the topic, and not for disagreeing with the opponent.
            1. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 25 December 2013 23: 19
              -1
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: I am a Russian
              to begin with: in my koment mention Ukrainians, not Ukraine

              Well, of course, these are completely unrelated concepts?


              do not row all under one comb
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 26 December 2013 12: 18
                0
                Quote: I am a Russian
                do not row all under one comb

                What does any comb have to do with it? What are you talking about? Ukrainians are citizens of Ukraine, all under one comb. I’m not saying how good or bad they are, I’m just stating citizenship.
            2. Kunar
              Kunar 27 February 2014 19: 36
              0
              cum hohlosrach
        2. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 29 December 2013 00: 30
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          Tell us about "Ukraine's ambitions"!


          learn to speak for yourself, illiterate offspring.
          Little bull
          с
          At the very time you insert a ring into the nostril and tie it to a post.
      2. Kunar
        Kunar 27 February 2014 19: 34
        0
        The Poles do not know how to fight, but to rebel .... (c) CT of the great
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 19 December 2013 09: 33
    +4
    Well, the calculation for the Baltic states, but for the Finns ?! The Finns were not stupid even in the 2nd World War and as soon as the smell of fried immediately rolled back to their pre-war positions and asked for peace from the USSR.
    It can be seen that the Poles no longer teach history at all. One day they may be heading some sort of offensive, but after a while looking back they will only see themselves on the battlefield from behind and another .. Someone’s teeth (fangs) will remain on the battlefield
  • pluginigor
    pluginigor 19 December 2013 09: 36
    +6
    Allied backing forces Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia will defend Poland with a mountain. These well-trained, highly qualified, well, just MEGA soldiers are constantly improving their skills. Fear the Russian soldier!
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 19 December 2013 09: 44
      +4
      Quote: pluginigor
      These well-trained, highly qualified, well, just MEGA soldiers are constantly improving their skills.


      Announcement in the Estonian metro: Osstorozhno, the doors are closing. Sllledduuschaya station ... And here, in fact, it is " laughing
    2. REDBLUE
      REDBLUE 19 December 2013 09: 52
      +8
      Lithuania Latvia and Estonia should be given Old Man. He will quickly restore order there
    3. Sergey Sitnikov
      Sergey Sitnikov 19 December 2013 16: 33
      0
      ))) yes yes yes, again under the Christmas tree they will dig a dugout
  • evgenm55
    evgenm55 19 December 2013 09: 41
    +13
    As far as I remember, in the entire history of Poland, it won a war (or rather, a battle) once in the Middle Ages, under Grunwald, and then, at the expense of Russian regiments that came to the aid of the Slavic brothers (then they were really considered Blieks) and hired Tatar cavalry. we, of course, taking advantage of the turmoil and anarchy after two centuries expressed gratitude, but still ended badly. Then, how many did not rush like whores, from owners to owners, they were always beaten. "allies", something like this: I have not yet seen a more erratic, completely undisciplined and unbridled army; they know how to heroically drink, drag after women, cut themselves, drunk, with each other, but. God forbid me to command such an army in battle; their adventures and intrigues drive me to madness. Something like this. And, again, despite all the meanness, a hand was extended to them during the war years, freedom and independence were returned - they responded as always meanness, accusing Katyn and everyone else. Let's be smarter - we will leave such "allied brothers" to our enemies ...
    1. Booby
      Booby 19 December 2013 09: 48
      +7
      In 1920, she won the Soviet-Polish war, and there were some victories over the Ottomans
    2. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 19 December 2013 11: 42
      +2
      Probably one letter was corrected in the word "Shlyakhta" in connection with historical realities, it is correct to read "Shlyukhta". lol
    3. Berserk
      Berserk 19 December 2013 12: 07
      +9
      Be objective. The Poles fought courageously and successfully for many centuries. The fact that they are enemies, not as a people, but as a state, does not negate the fact that they are good warriors. The Germans, unlike other Western Slavs, could not eat, although they really wanted to. Read about Jan Sobieski if you can remember nothing except Grunwald. Or about the war with Russia, in the 17th century, under the father of Peter Aleksey Mikhailovich. Poles are a brave people. Poland is a vile state. No need to bring everything together. We have old graters with them, but do not underestimate them.
      1. Shur
        Shur 19 December 2013 20: 47
        0
        The fact of the matter is that they did not gobble up to incite to Russia .. Good "janissaries" are obtained from them. If only for a moment they would have become the Germans across ... So no och even fit in, and then in the Reich, as a result, there would be no place for them, they just were not told .. So they don't need a state for anything good. It's not up to us to decide, but that's how frankly "stinking" strains.
  • yan
    yan 19 December 2013 09: 42
    +2
    Paranoia is a terrible thing, it seems that no one needs it like that "elusive Joe" but it seems that it does. Yes, and it is useful to remind yourself suddenly, who suddenly remembers. And I don’t know the Polish technique as in life and combat use, but in the photo it looks like a clumsy thing, there is not enough aestheticism in the forms
  • REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 19 December 2013 09: 52
    +3
    Poland has a modest budget. And the desire to buy a lot. Quickly tear. And then they will again ask their worst enemy, that is, Russia, to ask for money or protection from their NATO savior. In short, the Poles raked their whole lives, and then we got them out of shit. Apparently they will still rake. Just do not give them a helping hand. Ungrateful Poles.
    1. Akim
      Akim 19 December 2013 11: 50
      0
      Quote: REDBLUE
      And the desire to buy a lot. Quickly tear. And then again they will be at their worst enemy

      Wow modest - 9 billion greens.
  • mitya24
    mitya24 19 December 2013 09: 56
    +5
    It is necessary for pshek to clone Yanek, Gustlik, Sharik's dog, repair T34 "RUDY" and that's it ......... to everyone
    1. HAM
      HAM 19 December 2013 11: 38
      +4
      Only the Sharik dog fought there, and these ..so.
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 19 December 2013 13: 03
      +6
      Quote: mitya24
      and all ......... all

      If they are led by Uber-Leutnant Hans Kloss, then definitely kabzda 3D
      1

      Quote: HAM
      only the Sharik dog fought, and these ..so.

      "Not so ...." They started a tank for him, repaired it, opened the hatch, etc. .....
  • 020205
    020205 19 December 2013 09: 57
    +2
    Again, the Lyakhs combed themselves in a well-known place, I suppose they didn’t conceive good, it was not good ...
  • Gost
    Gost 19 December 2013 10: 02
    +3
    Quote: avant-garde
    Quote: Guun
    Riding tame bears and with PPSH for an edge!

    so?


    Pleased laughing
  • Song Hu Chan
    Song Hu Chan 19 December 2013 10: 03
    +2
    One volley of Iskanders quickly corrects the situation. It was not for nothing that the Litvolakhs put on their pants when they learned that the Iskanders were nearby. Glory to Russia!
    1. REDBLUE
      REDBLUE 19 December 2013 12: 58
      +3
      And Sergei Kuzhugetovich responded well to the litvols and all NATO allies in this regard. Our country, where we want to go there and put the Iskanders.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 19 December 2013 10: 04
    +2
    No Pole is a diagnosis of so much ambition and self-conceit about himself that this is already a chronically neglected disease. We will again have to do surgery, that is, the next section.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 19 December 2013 11: 52
      0
      am Like the "section" from "Lonesome Road" in the game "Fallout".

      oil paintingoil painting
      wassat
  • major071
    major071 19 December 2013 10: 05
    +6
    A country that, for all its history, has lodged under everyone and continues to lick its boots to the west, cannot be called a sovereign state - it’s just a territory, but which is inhabited by different people united by the same thought - to lie under the one who pays the most.
  • Klim podkova
    Klim podkova 19 December 2013 10: 10
    +3
    1.Wearing about the lost "original eastern Polish territories", Poles forget that Wroclaw is German Breslau, Poznan is Posen, and Gdansk is Danzig. Is it okay if the Germans make territorial claims? Or do the Poles naively believe that their western neighbors have a short memory?
    2.A. on the past maneuvers, itching would have cost Ukraine first of all: Lviv is on its territory, and Kiev will have to pay for the exorbitant ambitions of Warsaw.
    1. Akim
      Akim 19 December 2013 11: 55
      -7
      Quote: Klim Podkova
      Weeping for the lost "original eastern Polish territories"

      It’s like the Russians are sobbing around the Crimea, so the Poles are sobbing about Lviv and then a certain minuscule. According to surveys, only 12% of Poles consider Lviv region their land. Russians are 65%. But they both admit that this is the territory of a sovereign power.
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      2. Shur
        Shur 19 December 2013 20: 56
        +3
        Crimea was transferred not 100 years ago. Transferred by decrees of the now non-existent country of the USSR with the wording "The Crimean region was transferred to Ukraine with the following wording:" Given the common economy, territorial proximity and close economic and cultural ties between the Crimean region and the Ukrainian SSR. " You don’t recognize the decision of a non-existent country? The union treaty was canceled, so what's the problem? Where is the similarity? And yes, Russia should lay claim to the Crimea .. A question for the future. In fact, it has long been autonomous.
        1. Akim
          Akim 19 December 2013 21: 40
          -1
          Quote: Shur
          You do not recognize the decision of a non-existent country? The union agreement was terminated, so what is the problem? Where is the similarity here? And yes, Russia should pretend to Crimea .. The question of the future. In fact, it has long been autonomous.

          Do not start these useless discussions on the forum. They will not lead anyone to anything but mutual bitterness. What are you trying to prove to me? In fact, Crimea is mostly Russian (though not an absolute majority), but not Russian (do not confuse these two concepts), but is part of the Ukrainian state. Only 1,2 million Russians out of 10 million Russians in Ukraine live in Crimea. And autonomy does not give him the right to sovereignty and self-determination, because this is indicated in their Constitution.
          So, do not put a shadow on the wattle fence. Officially, Russia recognized the status of Crimea, and ordinary people need to come to terms with this, as the Poles put up with the loss of Lviv.
          And all these Maidans and popular will, contrary to the Constitution, are anarchy.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 19 December 2013 22: 36
            -1
            Quote: Akim
            So, do not put a shadow on the wattle fence. Officially, Russia recognized the status of Crimea, and ordinary people need to come to terms with this, as the Poles put up with the loss of Lviv.

            Legally, the conditions for the absence of territorial claims from Russia against Ukraine were discussed.
            1. Akim
              Akim 19 December 2013 23: 01
              -2
              Quote: Setrac
              Russia’s lack of territorial claims against Ukraine.

              But is this not the same thing in foreign policy? The status of an autonomous republic in a unitary state is an internal affair of the camps. Although such a dispute is not productive.
    2. Bagatur
      Bagatur 20 December 2013 23: 13
      +2
      The Poles can scold Stalin and the Russian as much as they like ... history has not changed! 4 sections, okay, Katin-ok, you can remember a lot and what is it? And who gave them Silesia and the 450 km coast in the Baltic? Who expelled 4 million chances that Poland is now 99% homogeneous country? There are 600 chia in the land of Poland ... Well, Russia trampled them ... didn’t it pay off the debt? Idiot, they don’t have enough intelligence. One simple thing is normal relations with Russia. Poland Poland is much stronger and valuable for the EU ... it gives a lot more security than NATO! But they didn’t decide that greatness is much more than real possibilities!
  • alekseinew
    alekseinew 19 December 2013 10: 22
    0
    something at them the pace of the purchase of armored vehicles is somehow fantastic, from where the money is interesting
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 19 December 2013 12: 35
      +2
      And "amerikosikam" with "descendants of John Bull" and "gansik" when they felt sorry for something, for cannon fodder.
      In order to come later and use someone else's hands to rake in the heat, they picked up the wrong company for themselves, I think that this "friendship" will not work for them. lol
    2. rolik2
      rolik2 19 December 2013 12: 38
      +2
      Quote: alekseinew
      from where the money is interesting

      Yeah, I wonder where?
      Indeed, according to the forecasts of Romanov and Hugo, the economy of Poland, after joining the EU, the military-industrial complex was destroyed, it was put up with needles, all the specialists left for Germany to wash the toilets.
      1. ultra
        ultra 19 December 2013 15: 39
        +1
        Quote: rolik2
        Poland’s economy, after joining the EU,

        Poland is the only one to have received such preferences from joining the EU that other newcomers to the membership never dreamed of!
    3. self-propelled
      self-propelled 19 December 2013 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: alekseinew
      something at them the pace of the purchase of armored vehicles is somehow fantastic, from where the money is interesting

      Iraq destroyed by the war also buys weapons. where did he get money from? and this money is not from oil-bearing strata ... to show on the map or guess yourself and find where?
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 December 2013 10: 31
    +1
    Quote: Klim Podkova
    And in relation to the past maneuvers, it would be worth it first of all to scratch Ukraine: Lviv are on its territory, and Kiev will have to pay for the exorbitant ambitions of Warsaw.

    If Ukraine maintains its integrity (and in alliance with Russia) then it will not be threatened by anything. And here, if zapadentsy fell off, then they themselves will call Poland for help. Maybe preparation for such a scenario is underway?
  • Diviz
    Diviz 19 December 2013 10: 32
    +4
    Scenario movie hot heads 3: 2020 Poland reaches the borders of China. 2030 launches and explores the border of our galaxy. 2040 creates a death star, and ye rolls into another galaxy.
  • Onotollah
    Onotollah 19 December 2013 10: 33
    +7
    Dear colleagues, can you please tell me: is the phrase "to put on a Polish fang" not very politically correct?
  • Sigismund
    Sigismund 19 December 2013 10: 42
    +6
    Poles, Poles ..., it seems that their "rake" is in the "red corner" and periodically, solemnly brought out for sadomasochistic actions. Allies from the West constantly threw you, and the Americans simply use it as a disposable nasal raft. They are no strangers, the richest experience. Deal with your corrupt politicians as soon as possible, in order to avoid trouble, dear brothers Slavs.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 19 December 2013 12: 02
      +4
      axillary
      On such?
      Then their authorities are completely dealing with brains. fool laughing
  • 020205
    020205 19 December 2013 10: 58
    +4
    Quote: Onotolle
    Dear colleagues, can you please tell me: is the phrase "to put on a Polish fang" not very politically correct?

    I think it would be more politically correct to say "hit on the back of the cheek"
  • kimanas
    kimanas 19 December 2013 10: 59
    +1
    Unfortunately, this is not a diagnosis: the enemy has been identified (Russia), there is a rear (EU), allies (Kurlanders), the economy is demanding, and we have provided an excuse in the form of Iskander.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 19 December 2013 12: 47
      0
      it remains to find a "gut" that will withstand Iskander and not only (I mean the economic consequences, I try to keep silent about a more serious confrontation, because the consequences will be even more catastrophic ...) smile
  • Boris55
    Boris55 19 December 2013 11: 12
    +8
    Susanins in Russia have not yet been translated, we beg ...

    1. alone
      alone 19 December 2013 21: 14
      0
      But Susanin's grandson looks like a militant from Jabhat al-Nusra. laughing
  • mountain
    mountain 19 December 2013 11: 18
    +1
    It seems that this is the last agony, until not every Pole has left for Europe, the same picture with the Baltic states, but the Finns are sorry. In vain they think that this time they will also be lucky.
  • medwed1976
    medwed1976 19 December 2013 11: 30
    +2
    Quote: samoletil18
    I would be better urgent in the bear cavalry served. Volunteer.


    Well, don’t scare the Poles very much, they only have the BRONECAVALERY building up their strengths, and you are already talking about bear cavalry .. laughing
    tanks Leopard 2A4 Polish 10 armored cavalry brigades 11-th Lubsky armored cavalry division named after king Jan III Sobieski
    1. REDBLUE
      REDBLUE 19 December 2013 13: 07
      +1
      1st Pistol Brigade of the 2nd Scooter Division of the Eastern Bicycle Army. named after Pszizik
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 19 December 2013 11: 44
    +4
    Quote: According to the authors of the report, the armed forces of Poland should be ready to participate in the military conflict "short-term and intense," but not necessarily very stressful.

    In 1939, Poland already participated in a “short-term and intense” and not necessarily very intense conflict with Germany. Everybody knows. what came of it. The Soviet Union restored the combat potential of the Polish army. Now the Poles "heartily thank" Russia for this. The Poles really count on cooperation with the Baltic armies. But how. For example, the Latvian Air Force consists of one or two Soviet-made helicopters. "Powerful" ally! Great power!
    All their fighting power is a heart-rending itch and spray of saliva. No harm. let them entertain ...
  • HAM
    HAM 19 December 2013 11: 51
    +2
    Orange lights on the tanks are to make it easier to get out of the ATGM?
  • understudy
    understudy 19 December 2013 11: 56
    +2
    From ... the modern war is not hockey, where the Swedes and Finns are in the forefront.
  • Akim
    Akim 19 December 2013 11: 57
    -2
    To the author minus for the analysis and plus for the work done.
  • garlik
    garlik 19 December 2013 11: 58
    +6
    Bismarck was really right when he said, "There are no new enemies. All enemies are old!"
  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 19 December 2013 11: 59
    +2
    Eh hehe, it was correctly said above that their history doesn’t teach anything .... Lord Psheks, a mug will crack if it is stretched from sea to sea!
    1. REDBLUE
      REDBLUE 19 December 2013 13: 09
      +2
      No, you can stretch their mouth from sea to sea and there to give from our Iskanders. Or as mentioned above it was tapped on the cheek from the inside
  • Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 19 December 2013 12: 02
    +2
    Quote: KonstantM
    Quote: propolsky
    From sea to sea - this is of course interesting, but do those countries agree to be part of Poland?

    Of course we agree !!! Who will ask their consent.

    If at the expense of Romania, then let it expand to the sea, or at the expense of Germany and France, even to the Atlantic (Utopia). But it will break off to the Black Sea! We’ll quickly kick our ass.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 19 December 2013 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: Tirpitz
      We’ll quickly kick our ass.

      yes, they themselves are about ... to go to the Black Sea. Russian "piz ... yuli" are still fresh in my memory
      1. Akim
        Akim 19 December 2013 12: 15
        0
        Quote: self-propelled
        yes they themselves about ... get angry with the Black Sea to go.

        One can expect more dirty tricks about Romanians than from Poles.
        1. Klim podkova
          Klim podkova 19 December 2013 13: 49
          +4
          That's for sure. Those who cannot forget about "their" Transnistria of the 1941 model. (From the Prut to the Southern Bug)
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS 19 December 2013 13: 51
      0
      Quote: Tirpitz
      We’ll quickly kick our ass.


      Ukraine, Poland?
      1. Akim
        Akim 19 December 2013 14: 05
        +1
        Quote: O_RUS
        Ukraine, Poland?

        In general, in all respects, Ukraine outweighs Poland in the number of operational equipment, but not in combat training, but ours went to Steandfast jazz and saw critical errors and shortcomings in the tactics of the NATO company.
        And in terms of the quality of technology, Russia is behind too.
        1. O_RUS
          O_RUS 24 December 2013 20: 49
          +2
          In general, in all respects, Ukraine outweighs Poland in the number of operating equipment.


          Outdone ... the Ukrainian proudly declared, thrusting out his chest ... sang - "They won't catch up with us, they won't catch up with us."

          ours went to Steandfast jazz, and saw critical errors and shortcomings in the tactics of the NATO company.

          Well, straight "balm" for the soul of a Ukrainian.
          1. Akim
            Akim 24 December 2013 21: 09
            -1
            Quote: O_RUS
            Well, straight "balm" for the soul of a Ukrainian.

            No. It is necessary to criticize from a distance, using only domestic (Russian sources).
            1. O_RUS
              O_RUS 25 December 2013 21: 47
              +1
              Okay ... I'll try again.

              ours went to Steandfast jazz, and saw critical errors and shortcomings in the tactics of the NATO company.
              Quote: O_RUS
              Well, straight "balm" for the soul of a Ukrainian.

              Quote: Akim
              No.

              Yakim what NO?
              1. Akim
                Akim 26 December 2013 12: 30
                -1
                Quote: O_RUS
                Yakim what is NOT

                Not Yakm, but Akm, or as Kim wrote in the passport. No, this is a system of denial.
                1. O_RUS
                  O_RUS 30 December 2013 01: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Akim
                  Kim is in the passport.


                  and how long have you been living in Ukraine?

                  Quote: Akim
                  No, this is a system of denial.


                  no - it's a particle.
                  Still and so - It is used in expressing indignation, dissatisfaction with what has been done or has not happened the way it should or should have been expected, corresponding to the meaning of the word: instead, no, no. Explanatory dictionary ... ... Modern explanatory dictionary of the Russian language Efremova

                  NO is a particle, not a system of negation.
              2. Kazakhstan
                Kazakhstan 17 February 2014 11: 00
                0
                By the way, Akim in translation from the Kazakh language means the mayor, the head of the administration of the city or region.
  • Svyatoslavovich
    Svyatoslavovich 19 December 2013 12: 04
    +2
    This is a typical example of gratitude among the Poles. Poland twice disappeared from the map of Europe as a state and only thanks to Russia did it reappear
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 19 December 2013 12: 09
    +2
    The authors of the report said that in the next 20 years, Poland could be attacked by Russia.

    In my opinion, such analysts work not only for arms manufacturers, provoking spending money on weapons. BUT, and politically hindering the peaceful advance of Russia into Europe (for which NATO was created). Who needs them if they themselves don’t reach our ridge?
  • wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 19 December 2013 12: 11
    +1
    This doctrine of the country's development resembles a fairy tale about a frog, which, due to its importance and greed, has been inflated more and more and has not yet burst. fellow laughing
    Only the splashes scattered around. I don’t think that the conscious part of Polish society, in the name of wretched representatives of the government and Americans with hans, is ready to turn their country into splashes. No.