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Dmitry Rogozin: about Americans, Martians, spy machines and plans for the near future

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During the week, the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government, Chairman of the Military Industrial Commission Dmitry Rogozin spoke at the State Duma as part of the government hour. The speech of the Deputy Prime Minister can be called very energetic, and this energy was associated primarily with the modernization of the Russian army and the supply of new high-tech to the troops. weapons. There was quite a bit of Rogozin’s speech and, let's say, information bombs. At the same time, some “bombs” passed within the framework of promises, while others were mated with already held events.


Dmitry Rogozin: about Americans, Martians, spy machines and plans for the near future


In fairly bright colors, Dmitry Rogozin described deputies of the State Duma, who came to the building on Okhotny Ryad on that day (many lawmakers, as always, for some reason, were absent at the meeting), what prospects did the Russian Armed Forces expect in the near future? the future. According to the deputy chairman of the government, already in 2015, in the Victory Parade on Red Square, not even a modernized, but completely new military equipment will be involved, among which are such models as the Armata, Boomerang or Kurganets. These words of Dmitry Rogozin summoned something similar to, as it was customary to say years ago 35, stormy and incessant applause. The promise evidently appealed to the deputies that the Deputy Prime Minister sent to them. Whether this message was related to the objective reality and capabilities of modern industrialists, or whether it was completely based on the emotions of the vice-premier himself, is not clear. But the deputies liked it, but perhaps the main thing at the government hour ...

From the Duma rostrum Dmitry Rogozin said that at present one of the tasks is the task of reviving and maintaining national brands. As such, the deputy chairman of the government mentioned such world-famous names as “Kalashnikov” and “Yakovlev”. His words that a new aircraft for the needs of civil aviation, today known as MS-21, should be named after the Yak-242, they also provoked an approval from parliamentarians.
Generally speaking, about the speech of Dmitry Rogozin, it is necessary to focus on the fact that, in general, it was perceived by the deputies very positively. According to representatives of even the opposition factions in the State Duma (well, if we really have really opposition factions in parliament today), Rogozin distinguished himself by openly answering various questions, including very sharp ones.

One of these questions was asked by the representative of the faction CPRF in the State Duma Nikolai Kolomeitsev. The deputy from the Communist Party inquired from Dmitry Rogozin why foreign companies, in particular, Americans were allowed to enter some of the companies strategically important for the national defense industry (for example, Energomash in Khimki). And besides, Kolomeitsev asked the vice-premier whether it was time to return the machine tool industry, quote: “under the bosom of the military-industrial complex”?
Answering the first part of the question, Rogozin said that there are no Americans today at the mentioned Energomash:

... about Energomash: there are no Americans there, no lunatics, no Martians, no one. Maybe they were, but with us they are not and never will be. Energomash is a booming, actively developing enterprise of space engine building, a huge need for these machines still exists.


On the issue of changing the subordination of such an industry as machine-tool construction, Rogozin gave something similar to a sensation. According to him, it is necessary to be more active in dealing with the issues of domestic machine-tool construction, since the machines purchased from foreign suppliers can be, for example, turned off completely by using foreign space technology:
We have already had cases of shutting down machines through spacecraft from the United States.

Therefore, it’s just stupid and unsafe to plant your own on other people's machines in the framework of the Machine Tool Building Development program, so that for decades to depend on them for service, repair, and, moreover, not understanding where the information goes from of these machines, and who really has a complete picture of what we produce?


From these words of Dmitry Rogozin, the following conclusion can be made: foreign-made equipment, which is used in Russian enterprises strategically important for the military sector, may turn out (or already turns out) not just technology, but such transmitters of domestic technologies for foreign monitoring.
Sensation? Well, if real evidence of the failure of machines at Russian factories through signals from American satellites from Dmitry Rogozin is available, then it definitely draws on a sensation. Of course, in this case it would be possible to talk about the kind of paranoia of a high-ranking representative of the Russian government, however, in the light of recent events with more than large-scale tapping of subscribers of various networks by American and British intelligence services, machines with “bug chips” no longer look like something paranoid fantastic Moreover, if we consider that in the modern enterprises of the military-industrial complex (and not only the military-industrial complex) in Russia, the overwhelming majority of machines are either foreign-made, or they have foreign components in the form of electronic units and assemblies, then there is reason to think ...
Well, this again, if real evidence of “easel sabotage” among government representatives exists, and the words about turning off machines through spy satellites are not an attempt to warm up the already not cold public interest in the topic.

Another direction of Dmitry Rogozin's statements at the government hour was devoted to the possibility of a response from Russia to the doctrine of the American "lightning strike." Recall that the concept itself in the United States was born about 4's years ago, and is based on the possible use by the United States of the currently developed USAF X-51A Waveride hypersonic missiles, as well as Minuteman ballistic missiles. The idea of ​​the concept of States: the ability to make a non-nuclear strike on any part of the planet for a time not exceeding one hour.

According to the government official, 60 has currently selected very promising projects to form its own security strategy based on the latest rocket weapons, which will implement completely new principles. Rogozin emphasized that in this area it would not be possible to follow the path of endless modernization of Soviet rocket systems, no matter how high-quality they are. The Deputy Prime Minister noted that today Russia clearly lacks a scale designer Sergei Korolev, however, despite this, he expressed confidence that new engineering solutions would not be long in coming.

Rogozin:

“I have no right to disclose all the information,” said the Deputy Prime Minister. “But I can say that one of the projects is the preparation of a response to the concept of a global“ lightning strike, ”which is today the main strategy being hatched by the United States.


At the same time, Rogozin recalled that experiments with non-nuclear weapons are good, but Russia also has nuclear weapons, which, in the case of security threats, our country (according to the existing concept) can apply:

One can experiment as much as possible by placing non-nuclear weapons on strategic carriers, but it must be borne in mind that if we are attacked, then in accordance with the doctrine we have adopted, we will certainly in certain situations resort to protecting our territories higher public interest through nuclear weapons.


In general, the speech of the Deputy Prime Minister was intense, and, rather, reminded not a report, but a dense information campaign. Almost advertising ... On the one hand, such live performances inspire optimism, but on the other - it would be great if all the talk about increasing the volume of domestic machine tool industry, about meeting the deadlines for commissioning the latest military equipment, about creating new rocket (nuclear or nuclear-free a) doctrines in contrast to the doctrine of the American - were based, as they say, on real events. One ministerial optimism here, perhaps, is not enough.
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  1. karal
    karal 13 December 2013 08: 09
    +7
    Russia must be strong in the name of peace!
    Dmitry, your words, may Gods ears!
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 13 December 2013 08: 45
      +1
      I would not flatter myself about the words of this character. More than one "Ragozin duck" has already fluttered from his lips. The very case when it is better to be silent than to speak ...
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 13 December 2013 09: 52
        0
        I agree with you all 100, dimka is that baragoz.
      2. Yars
        Yars 13 December 2013 15: 37
        0
        and what is such a duck from his mouth fluttered!? Show proof please!
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 13 December 2013 17: 56
          +4
          Quote: YARS
          Show evidence please!
    2. mzaitseva77
      mzaitseva77 15 December 2013 13: 52
      0
      Example twelve. The author of a beginner’s guide from the United States says: “The twenty-first century is the digital age, where heavy industry is relegated to the background.”
      My translation into Russian: “Have you been to Africa? If not, check out the stories about this continent. You will see that naked Aborigines walk with spears in one hand and a cell phone in the other. This is exactly what our American friend is talking about. He really wants to see Africa throughout the post-Soviet space. So that people live in dugouts, but with cell phones. So that they can ride on a sled even in summer and cook food, heating not a Teflon pan, but a piece of metal. But with all this, so that they have cell phones and other cool "gadgets" that every modern humanoid creature should have in the new digital age. "

      Taken from the book "Black business buffalo"
  2. Yarik
    Yarik 13 December 2013 08: 20
    +1
    Rogozin ... This person seems to me not quite, to put it mildly, competent in the issues that he painstakingly voiced. Therefore, all his statements for me are just "blah-blah-blah."
    1. user
      user 13 December 2013 23: 53
      +1
      So our minister of defense did not serve in the army for more than one day, the deputy prime minister in charge of the country's military-technical development graduated from the international department of the journalism faculty of Moscow State University MV Lomonosov - therefore, all sorts of pearls on their part are common, because the illiteracy and incompetence of these figures is rushing from all the cracks.
      Effective managers in one word.
  3. saag
    saag 13 December 2013 08: 25
    +1
    And what machines were connected to the Internet ??? And then the sounding words that the machines were turned off via satellite cause a picture of the machine with a satellite antenna in consciousness :-)
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 13 December 2013 08: 50
      +9
      and what is not known what ordinary bugs are, in a large machine even cram an iPhone and hell whoever finds it.
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    3. engineer74
      engineer74 13 December 2013 09: 01
      -1
      Does the GPS antenna take up a lot of space on your phone? And on the topic, in my opinion, the following took place: an expensive part was ditched, in order to preserve the prize, they came up with a reason - an enemy "bookmark" in the machine! The "effective" manager fell for this and introduced it into the documents. So it was also lucky that the workers did not have much imagination, otherwise they would have been preparing for a war with the skynet ... IMHO
      1. 123dv
        123dv 13 December 2013 09: 47
        12
        Do not mock, the infa is quite real and I was even surprised that what ordinary specialists have been saying for many years, even on Russian Railways, is not that the defense industry is finally heard upstairs.
        Many, if not entirely, high-tech units of equipment purchased in the West are initially integrated into their control systems, and this is natural for the current level of technological development.
        1. engineer74
          engineer74 13 December 2013 10: 19
          +3
          I’m not a mocker, I know that without foreign spare parts, consumables, and accessories this equipment will not work for half a year, putting bookmarks (which will be a major scandal upon detection and, possibly, the revival of the Russian machine-tool and electronic industries) is too much ... Although , you never know...
          1. eldar2116
            eldar2116 13 December 2013 11: 31
            +5
            and for this, the necessary ministers were sitting in the ministries so as not to find bookmarks.
        2. smprofi
          smprofi 13 December 2013 13: 40
          +2
          Quote: 123dv
          Many, if not entirely, high-tech units of equipment purchased in the West are initially integrated into their control systems, and this is natural for the current level of technological development.

          Well, about the notorious CNC machines I will not say anything. I do not know. I am not familiar with the question.
          and so ... the great "mind" and "hereditary gunsmith" did not discover anything new in the field of tabs. not to mention serious things, at least in switches / switches, starting from a certain level, the manufacturer has a backdoor or, as the military called it in Soviet times, a "police function". it is used by the beloved Cisco and the same Nortel Networks (nee Nortel Telecom).
          an acquaintance works in electrical networks in the suburbs. When installing some kind of control equipment "from Western partners" (© Putin), it seems it was Siemens, a bookmark was found. during the investigation of the specialists, it was found that in addition to the "information drain", this device is capable of cutting down the entire system. those. de-energize a large part of the Moscow region.
          gringos about Desert Storm 91 love to tell everyone that the Iraqi air defense system was suppressed by the super-duper "invisible" F-117A and BGM-109 Tomahawk. Yes! chaz! Siemens provided the communications system to Hussein. yes, modern. but at the right hour, "X" really, on a signal from the satellite, all communications got stuck. and the entire Iraqi air defense system (by the way, the most serious in the region) ceased to function.

          but this is all history. I'm still very interested: why, with such knowledge, the great "mind" and "hereditary gunsmith" did not crush the construction of the BPC Russe (aka the Vladivostok-type DVDKD, aka BPC Mistral) from the French?
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 13 December 2013 15: 53
        +1
        Quote: engineer74
        So it’s lucky that the workers’s imagination didn’t go too far,

        Do you deny the possibility of turning off the electronically controlled machine from the satellite?
    4. eldar2116
      eldar2116 13 December 2013 11: 30
      +5
      And what besides the Internet there are no more means of data transfer? Have satellites, cell towers, repeaters already been canceled?
    5. Pesnyadv
      Pesnyadv 13 December 2013 12: 01
      +8
      Quote: saag
      And what machines were connected to the Internet ??? And then the sounding words that the machines were turned off via satellite cause a picture of the machine with a satellite antenna in consciousness :-)


      - About 30-40 years ago, it was reported that some very expensive imported safes were fitted with pickup bugs.
      - At the current level of electronics, get one imported product (a machine tool, a safe, a computer, light bulbs ...) with special filling on a special object and you don’t have to put beacons for aiming smart missiles and bombs at hour X. We will deliver, install, activate ourselves ...
      - I can’t believe that you are so naive.

      Your sarcasm is inappropriate and pretended rather than sincere.
    6. Yars
      Yars 13 December 2013 15: 42
      0
      and the navigator via the Internet is connected with the satellite? Do not write nonsense!
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 13 December 2013 17: 42
        +3
        Ask how GPS works, wiki to help.
        To receive a signal to turn off the Internet is not needed! Turn on the brain.
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    8. Lesnik
      Lesnik 13 December 2013 23: 48
      +1
      Would you be a respected data transfer technology negative
  4. Lomikus
    Lomikus 13 December 2013 08: 42
    +1
    I apologize for being off topic, but a very interesting topic (pun intended))). Maybe someone will post it here, interesting comments from experts!
    Another breakthrough technology - after the moon, Hollywood went to Mars - http://oko-planet.su/phenomen/phenomenday/222186-ocherednye-proryvnye-tehnologii
    -posle-luny-gollivud-otpravilsya-na-mars.html
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 08: 42
    0
    Rogozin is not a bad politician, of course, but his language is long ..
    1. Andof odessa
      Andof odessa 13 December 2013 13: 21
      +3
      The state must have a politician with crazy but completely feasible projects. At first he will be considered crazy, then strange, then wise and after death will be called a prophet, depending on the implementation of the idea, understood or not understood.
    2. smprofi
      smprofi 13 December 2013 13: 45
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Rogozin is not a bad politician

      and then!


      1. smprofi
        smprofi 13 December 2013 16: 49
        +1
        and why minus minors instructed? crying
        maybe this photo is suitable for pilusik?

        1. Kir
          Kir 13 December 2013 18: 07
          +1
          And by the intelligible pictures dumb? otherwise there is no reason to believe that these things weren’t photographed with such quality.
        2. not good
          not good 13 December 2013 22: 17
          +1
          How many oak trees are probably a forester lol
          1. Vasek
            Vasek 14 December 2013 01: 22
            +1
            Quote: Negoro
            How many oak trees

            Better poplars instead of oak trees bully
          2. Lesnik
            Lesnik 14 December 2013 16: 28
            +2
            Foresters, please do not equate with the oak trees laughing
  6. Normman
    Normman 13 December 2013 08: 44
    +1
    Rogozin is being prepared for the prime minister's place. If he behaves well, he can become president. So take it seriously. And if you are interested, read his story "Baron Zholtok" - it will say a lot about his personality.
  7. ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 December 2013 08: 47
    0
    I am satisfied with everything in this article, except for the author’s author in two places.
  8. lotar
    lotar 13 December 2013 08: 49
    +3
    All in common words and nothing concrete. What is rejoicing in duputates is also not entirely clear, except that they just see it as an opportunity to weld additionally. Regarding machines and the small number of technical specialists, if engineers, designers, operators, machinists and other nichrome don’t pay money looking at all the indignation and assurances, who will work there for a penny.
  9. saag
    saag 13 December 2013 08: 56
    +1
    Quote: ZU-23
    and what is not known what ordinary bugs are, in a large machine even cram an iPhone and hell whoever finds it.

    you don’t need to shove anything into smartphones, everything for remote control is solved in terms of software, but a bug with direct satellite control inside the machine is something unusual, the machine is most easily using the virus again, or if it is connected directly to the Internet, send a post to twitter there :-)
  10. Stiletto
    Stiletto 13 December 2013 09: 09
    +2
    Although the article is heavily involved in the water, it is nevertheless clear from it that the threats emanating from the "partners" have been interpreted correctly by the leadership of our country. I would like to hope that Rogozin's words "about an adequate response" are not an empty phrase.
    1. Black
      Black 13 December 2013 19: 26
      0
      Quote: Stiletto
      then Rogozin's words "about an adequate response" are not an empty phrase.

      It would be better empty !!!!!
      I do not understand the forum users in love with this type. Wasteland and upstart.
      Here's what he, for example, a year ago said PAK Fa SPEAKED !!!
      "Look at the level of development of anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense: all these aircraft will not fly anywhere. Neither ours to them, nor theirs to us. We need to think about completely non-trivial things,"

      Speech of the wise husband ???
  11. Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 December 2013 09: 10
    +4
    I did not understand the irony about the spy machines. it is quite real. if today is not (which I strongly doubt) then it will be tomorrow
    1. Sea snake
      Sea snake 13 December 2013 12: 30
      +4
      Quote: Sterlya
      ... it is quite real. if today is not (which I strongly doubt) then it will be tomorrow

      Recently, an imported CNC boring machine was bought at the workshop (our costs are higher), and so, it can be integrated into the factory CAD system (automatic programming system) and wirelessly transfer technological information to the CAD host computer. Technologist-programmer can also wirelessly "throw" the program for processing the part into the machine. Convenient? Fast? ...Yes!
      Behind the wall of the workshop is an old brick water tower, studded with antennas of mobile operators. The parallel begs ...)))
      I am glad that in our workshop there is no CAD system, and the production is completely peaceful and not secret.
  12. calocha
    calocha 13 December 2013 09: 17
    +1
    Rogozin is well done! A business executive. It’s better to play safe and switch to your own machine tool industry. In general, you need to deal closely with import substitution.
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 13 December 2013 13: 52
      +3
      Quote: calocha
      Rogozin - well done!

      Rogozin, Dmitry Olegovich
      He was a trainee correspondent in the main editorial office of the Central Television of the USSR State Television and Radio Broadcasting and in the main editorial office of the News Agency of Latin America. It has philological and economic education. In 1986 he graduated with honors MSU International Department of Journalism, for the first time in the history of the faculty, defending two theses at once. In 1988 he graduated with honors from the Faculty of Economics. University of Marxism-Leninism at the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU.

      and yes, well done. he was attached to his son by the Deputy General Director of the Group of Companies "Promtechnologii" - ORSIS, squeezed out Lobaev with the production of rifles from Russia.
    2. AVV
      AVV 13 December 2013 23: 07
      0
      In the 90s they killed the machine tool industry, now we are carrying everything from the west, and during Ch, we won’t even be able to produce spare parts for our weapons, that’s what globalization leads to while they are trading on the territory of stankin !!! !! And then the NSA will cut down entire production !!!
  13. engineer74
    engineer74 13 December 2013 09: 27
    +3
    Machine spies are paranoia, from the control program you can get sooooo little information about the part. Another question is alarming - CAD systems, bourgeois systems with Internet connection are widely used, there are some of them, but in its infancy ....
    In general, Ragozin is right - you can’t erase your defense on someone else’s equipment!
    1. eldar2116
      eldar2116 13 December 2013 11: 33
      +2
      war will begin, the machines will stand up and suddenly begin to break. Who needs such equipment? In the 41st factories were able to evacuate and begin to produce products
    2. me
      me 13 December 2013 17: 01
      +2
      For example, modern woodworking machines can be connected to an Internet to update software, remotely troubleshoot a system, etc. Before the manufacture of the part, its parameters are laid down in the program and for certain it is possible to steal this data through the Internet. And it will not be difficult for a professional to make an idea of ​​the manufactured part from these data.
  14. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 13 December 2013 09: 31
    +1
    "We have already had cases of shutting down machines through spacecraft from the US side."
    Then it is understandable why, without noise and mutual accusations, the program "cooperation for the sake of modernization" bent down, we stopped purchasing modern machine tools and immediately a failure in the economy: instead of 4%, only 1.5%.
    1. 123dv
      123dv 13 December 2013 10: 02
      +3
      Say thank you for not -200%.
      I talked with interesting people about our railway transport system. The Germans offered us not so long ago, for optimization and updating, to completely replace the entire railway traffic control system. To make, frankly, a leap into the future ....
      And, most interestingly, completely free !!!! IS FREE...
      But ours, already having examples of the loss of control over complex units acquired over the hill, with an innocent smile refused. The old relay system is still working, and there, you see, ours will cope. Update, improve, replace.
      1. matross
        matross 13 December 2013 16: 32
        +2
        Quote: 123dv
        absolutely free!!!! FREE ... But ours, already having examples of the loss of control over complex units acquired over the hill, with an innocent smile refused

        Blyat, really see the light? Is free?! The capitalists ?! Gee-gee-gee ... And in the event of war, and in peacetime too, Russia is without rail. roads - simply unrelated pieces of vast territories. Then they would have taken us tight for nuts!
      2. samoletil18
        samoletil18 13 December 2013 22: 30
        +1
        The Germans and French invested in the construction of railway in Russia long before the First World War. But the roads were built only in latitudinal design - for the export of resources.
  15. mountain
    mountain 13 December 2013 09: 31
    +3
    I am sad, sorry of course, that Rogozin did not tell us secrets in secret and that we are led by fools from what we read. And in the rest, everything goes on as usual.
    PS And it would not be bad to have your own machine tool industry. Wish
  16. buga1979
    buga1979 13 December 2013 10: 16
    +1
    Quote: Greyfox
    I would not flatter myself about the words of this character. More than one "Ragozin duck" has already fluttered from his lips. The very case when it is better to be silent than to speak ...

    But what about the norms, but it’s catching up on the partners))
  17. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 13 December 2013 10: 26
    +2
    I do not agree with everything that Rogozin says, but I completely agree with the restoration of the domestic machine tool industry. New planes and tanks are good, but this will not raise the overall technological level of industrial development. Having invested in production, we will kill two birds with one stone.
  18. major071
    major071 13 December 2013 10: 36
    +4
    No, Rogozin is certainly a smart man, but sometimes he will say that at least stand, even fall. And he himself, when it comes to him that he blurted out, will make such a smart face that you will immediately believe him.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 13 December 2013 10: 57
      0
      With the advent of Ragozin, the plan for the supply of weapons to the army began to be implemented. This is good, but the fact that everyone has their own cockroaches in their heads is not without it. Themselves laughing
  19. jjj
    jjj 13 December 2013 11: 24
    +3
    But we, in the defense industry, consider that we need to re-industrialize. Much very outdated
  20. Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 13 December 2013 11: 53
    +3
    Quote: engineer74
    an expensive part was ditched, in order to preserve the premium, they came up with a reason - an enemy "bookmark" in the machine!


    to replace foreigners with domestic, any methods are good and justified. Enough to feed the bourgeoisie, we need our own tools of production. And the cries of the loss of technology and blah blah blah - all this is noodles on the ears.
    1. me
      me 13 December 2013 17: 10
      0
      A modern machine without modern electronics is just a pile of iron. I think our electronic industry is not yet ready to produce the same sensors that give the ability to process a part with an accuracy of microns.
      1. Kir
        Kir 13 December 2013 18: 41
        +5
        But I’m not sure that, at least in the drawings or even prototypes left over from the USSR, we don’t have enough machines and equipment at our level, of course we’ve done a lot, but I think that’s not all. Regarding microns, excuse me, what is so extraordinary in complexity, even if parts of VK1M with such precision punched punches were made even on S-85 and S-6 machines, moreover, Manual tuning! this is true on one of the flagships of precision engineering 1MCHZ, and the Swiss were there without CNC and also with micron accuracy.
        As a conclusion, you can, but for this you need to take a few steps
        1 To stop messing up cities with offices built instead of factories and factories, for the production sector to make loyal, not to resellers and traders from resources, but to producers of energy prices
        2 REAL, and not formal reduction of managers of all stripes as well as intermediary sharags, at the same time to cut the amount of money and introduce the code of Allegiance, I do not agree to sign a non-aggression agreement with the Society - Broom in hand !!! Signed and Violated? Enemy of the people!!!!
        3 Introduce a paid education for the diligent humanities of all stripes, and use the money received for a natural science and engineering education! Also, upon admission, you are forced to sign a similar code of Fidelity, you will violate the Enemy of the People with all those who stick out!
        Otherwise, it’s obviously not tight.
        Ardent Legist.
  21. Alex
    Alex 13 December 2013 11: 53
    +7
    First of all, it is necessary to restore the production of the element base for radio electronics. With this we have absolutely trouble. The machines that we produce, all the electronics are used imported. And this is not only about machine tool construction. He probably still turned down the tabs in the control systems of machine tools, although technically it is feasible, it is enough to remember how the Iraqi air defense systems, made by the USA and France, worked during the "Desert Storm" and were disconnected from the satellite at the right time. You need to have your own electronics.
  22. Black
    Black 13 December 2013 12: 01
    -3
    According to him, it is necessary to deal more actively with issues of domestic machine-tool industry, since machines purchased from foreign suppliers can, for example, be completely turned off through foreign space technology
    I thought earlier that he only drinks, it turns out he also smokes.

    Yesterday, at the President's "message" (on TV), I drew attention to the sleekness of the "facades", like liquid apples.
  23. Sigismund
    Sigismund 13 December 2013 12: 02
    +3
    No matter how criticized Rogozin, he is doing the necessary and very difficult task. According to a number of signs, this brings positive results. They are not seen either by the "blind" or those who do not want to admit it. May God give him strength!
    1. Kir
      Kir 13 December 2013 18: 44
      0
      Not God, but the Team of Special Patriots will help Him !!!
  24. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 13 December 2013 12: 06
    +1
    Quote: saag
    Quote: ZU-23
    and what is not known what ordinary bugs are, in a large machine even cram an iPhone and hell whoever finds it.

    you don’t need to shove anything into smartphones, everything for remote control is solved in terms of software, but a bug with direct satellite control inside the machine is something unusual, the machine is most easily using the virus again, or if it is connected directly to the Internet, send a post to twitter there :-)


    You lose sight of the fact that the MACHINE, the safe, the computer, the light bulbs can be LIGHT beacons for smart missiles and bombs.
    After the tomahawk There will be no need to fix anything, turn it off.
    Everything will disconnect the tomahawk or other product from the USA.
  25. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 13 December 2013 12: 09
    0
    Quote: Ralex
    First of all, it is necessary to restore the production of the element base for radio electronics. With this we have absolutely trouble. The machines that we produce, all the electronics are used imported. And this is not only about machine tool construction. He probably still turned down the tabs in the control systems of machine tools, although technically it is feasible, it is enough to remember how the Iraqi air defense systems, made by the USA and France, worked during the "Desert Storm" and were disconnected from the satellite at the right time. You need to have your own electronics.


    Bookmarks for wiretapping were found in imported expensive safes about 30-40 years ago.
  26. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 13 December 2013 13: 12
    +3
    On the topic of machine tools, automated production lines, etc .:
    It's not about bugs or bookmarks ... Everything is more complicated and simpler at the same time ...
    Many high-tech products, such as machine tools, and a number of other high-tech fields of production, medicine, etc. they have the function of remote diagnostics (including self-diagnosis without the participation of a specialist working directly on this equipment), remote software updates, being directly connected via the Internet to the technical support service of the manufacturer ... Moreover, interestingly, some of our managers also insist on so that such an option was preinstalled initially on the purchased equipment. Damn! .. Smart will understand.
  27. USNik
    USNik 13 December 2013 13: 19
    -1
    His words that a new aircraft for the needs of civil aviation, today known as MS-21, should be named Yak-242, also provoked a reaction parliamentarians.
    Imagine, you can’t laugh at the voice, but you really want to. laughing Rogozin, of course, is young and energetic, but it seems that the fame of the local clown has stuck to him firmly. Now, in addition to the ranks of the honored Mars Pioneer and the unshakable rocket asteroid knocker, a meme "satellite controlled machines" good
  28. Urri
    Urri 13 December 2013 13: 37
    10
    In 2012, in front of my eyes, an Italian, right from the office of a manufacturing plant in Italy, to demonstrate the possibilities, remotely disconnected a working jib crane in the Philippines. After 7 minutes the bell rings - the crane does not work. Neighing. Turned on again. welcome to the 21st century.
  29. saag
    saag 13 December 2013 14: 17
    +1
    Quote: PesnyaDV
    You lose sight of the fact that the MACHINE, the safe, the computer, the light bulbs can be LIGHT beacons for smart missiles and bombs.
    After the tomahawk There will be no need to fix anything, turn it off.
    Everything will disconnect the tomahawk or other product from the USA.

    Why complicate things like this, the client has a legal address, even through google maps it’s easy to get the coordinates, no beacons are needed
  30. Normman
    Normman 13 December 2013 14: 31
    +2
    Why complicate things like this, the client has a legal address, even through google maps it’s easy to get the coordinates, no beacons are needed [/ quote]
    And we have a lot of legal addresses with physical matches? A chain of intermediaries? And the endless departmental subordination? Yes, you can not even find your place of work at the legal address.
  31. saag
    saag 13 December 2013 14: 35
    +3
    Quote: Normman
    And we have a lot of legal addresses with physical matches?

    Here, for example, machines are bought, the supplier makes installation and commissioning, because firstly it is money, secondly they will otherwise remove it from the guarantee, and no customer will refuse the support of new equipment, and now the adjusters have left, the machines were dismantled and taken away in an unknown direction? In general, coordinates these days are such an open secret
  32. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 13 December 2013 14: 38
    +2
    Quote: saag
    Quote: PesnyaDV
    You lose sight of the fact that the MACHINE, the safe, the computer, the light bulbs can be LIGHT beacons for smart missiles and bombs.
    After the tomahawk There will be no need to fix anything, turn it off.
    Everything will disconnect the tomahawk or other product from the USA.

    Why complicate things like this, the client has a legal address, even through google maps it’s easy to get the coordinates, no beacons are needed


    - Quite often, special machines, equipment are not sold to Russia. We have to buy and import them into Russia according to very complex multi-pass schemes.
    For example, they bought Japanese machines for making propellers for Soviet submarines. Where and how in such situations will you find a customer there ???
    And how many special construction equipment Russia is currently purchasing abroad. The mass goes through the Far Eastern ports. And this equipment is now building a spaceport, rocket mines, tunnels ...
    - Super computers for nuclear and other owls. Secret institutions are also bought and imported through shell companies in third and even fifth countries.
    - Do you think the invoices for this equipment indicate the coordinates of the Ministry of Defense of Russia?
    - - Remember the scandal with the Amer embassy in Moscow. there the bugs were even mounted in bricks and other building blocks that were made in the USA !!!
    So your sent childishly naive ...
  33. Azzi
    Azzi 13 December 2013 15: 07
    +5
    Industrialization of the machine tool industry ... Hmm ... We do not need the machine tool industry to industrialize, we basically need to start building the country anew damn. Return to Goerlo's level plan. To start with energy, industry, education, all over again ... The other day I talked with a representative of a car factory from Cherkessk, no words, at the car factory engineers watching the conveyor - Italians / Koreans / Americans. It’s in Cherkessk ... Ours are gone and there is nowhere to take. Ours are managers / bukh / lawyers. Why are there engineers, take any former vocational school, who are preparing these current colleges, anyone and a little bit plumbers, if any, are present.
  34. saag
    saag 13 December 2013 15: 13
    -1
    Quote: PesnyaDV
    For example, they bought Japanese machines for making propellers for Soviet submarines. Where and how in such situations will you find a customer there ???

    It’s incorrect to compare the USSR and the current Russian Federation, here we take the manufacturer of ORSIS rifles, in theory they shouldn’t sell high-precision machines, but they didn’t sell it from anywhere, but from America and it is not encrypted at all, but construction equipment, yes, during the USSR Komatsu’s equipment was in Gazprom, a friend of mine worked at such a compressor station and nobody hid it either, and if the machine has Internet access, then use the IP pool to calculate the region as if you’re not doing it, just ask ICANN for one
  35. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 13 December 2013 15: 21
    0
    Quote: saag
    Quote: PesnyaDV
    For example, they bought Japanese machines for making propellers for Soviet submarines. Where and how in such situations will you find a customer there ???

    It’s incorrect to compare the USSR and the current Russian Federation, here we take the manufacturer of ORSIS rifles, in theory they shouldn’t sell high-precision machines, but they didn’t sell it from anywhere, but from America and it is not encrypted at all, but construction equipment, yes, during the USSR Komatsu’s equipment was in Gazprom, a friend of mine worked at such a compressor station and nobody hid it either, and if the machine has Internet access, then use the IP pool to calculate the region as if you’re not doing it, just ask ICANN for one


    At first I took you for a bad elementary school student.
    Now I see that you are trying to untwist me and others for information through provocative posts ...
    Further you can not communicate with me.
  36. mechanic driver
    mechanic driver 13 December 2013 15: 26
    +2
    Quote: 123dv
    Say thank you for not -200%.
    I talked with interesting people about our railway transport system. The Germans offered us not so long ago, for optimization and updating, to completely replace the entire railway traffic control system. To make, frankly, a leap into the future ....
    And, most interestingly, completely free !!!! IS FREE...
    But ours, already having examples of the loss of control over complex units acquired over the hill, with an innocent smile refused. The old relay system is still working, and there, you see, ours will cope. Update, improve, replace.

    The old relay connection is more secure than the new one, including from EMR after the application of nuclear power.
  37. abc_alex
    abc_alex 13 December 2013 15: 30
    +3
    I don't know how machining centers are, but modern advanced printing machines do self-diagnostics and can send data to service centers. These are not bookmarks. This is part of a modern maintenance strategy where the end user does not bother with anything other than using the machine. The sensors stand and measure the number of shaft revolutions, clearance or curvature, and when the deviations reach critical values ​​they "knock" to the service center. In advance, for a month somewhere. And from there the serviceman goes with the necessary detail.
    Naturally it costs money. Naturally, it is somehow turned off, blocked, deceived in order to save.
    Well, a realistic scenario: the machining center issued a "service call". He was naturally "burned" and made to work for wear. He worked for a while and began to mow. Ours rubbed their turnips and decided, what now, we need to call the repairman. And they removed the lock. And in the service center in the United States, perhaps, there was a condition - if the deviation is higher than the norm - stop. This is, in principle, normal - if the machine has issued an outrageous deviation - it is simply faulty: Fatal Error. :)

    Well, all the "espionage passions". :)

    But I am all limbs for the restoration of the domestic machine tool industry.
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  39. Charley
    Charley 13 December 2013 16: 18
    +3
    Yes, what difference can a machine turn off via satellite or not, everything needs to be developed correctly;
  40. demel2
    demel2 13 December 2013 16: 24
    +5
    Whatever Ragozin is, smart or not, but under his leadership the State Defense Order was first executed this year. IMHO
  41. moremansf
    moremansf 13 December 2013 17: 28
    +3
    The man in his place ... for a long time the military-industrial complex did not have such a curator ... the main thing is that they do not interfere with the implementation of the plan !!!
  42. Stinger
    Stinger 13 December 2013 18: 02
    +1
    The main thing is to work, to pull new technologies by all means, and not to go in cycles in spying. Due to the defense budget, you won’t get it all. First, pull in, and then import substitution can do. Or are we again going to fight the whole world?
  43. Curb
    Curb 13 December 2013 19: 45
    0
    Quote: Normman
    Rogozin is being prepared for the prime minister's place. If he behaves well, he can become president. So take it seriously. And if you are interested, read his story "Baron Zholtok" - it will say a lot about his personality.


    Please share where such information came from. I also hear about this since spring.
    1. Normman
      Normman 13 December 2013 21: 20
      0
      Rogozin shared with fellow party members on the sidelines. Of course I didn’t speak directly, but 2 + 2 know how to add everything :) again, I didn’t hear it myself, through the second "hands", but I believe them. And the fact that an awl in a sack cannot be hidden is known for a long time.
  44. Simonov
    Simonov 13 December 2013 20: 04
    -2
    What other "bookmarks", what other NATO spy satellites. Have seen enough Hollywood. Details for Protons are being sharpened with files in Samara garages! This is the truth of life! And there are many garages in Samara! The spies have to wipe away a tear and try to knock out our turners with burned vodka.
  45. Clueless
    Clueless 13 December 2013 20: 24
    +3
    Gentlemen, what are you complaining about? Rogozin is engaged in the type of advertising and all that. Have you been telling me since the 90s when did you hear good news about the defense industry? Let them advertise, let them give hope - for if the people begin to believe, they begin to go to work for these enterprises, in the army, etc. And notice THIS WORKS! I recently heard myself how young guys said they want to join the army, and the boy from friends he wants to go to Suvorov.

    Enough already to carry heresy, from the category that you don’t need to engage in advertising, etc., look at your beloved USA, where politicians do this every day.
    1. Normman
      Normman 13 December 2013 21: 26
      +2
      That's right! I’m already in a bad mood when our Premier mumbles on TV. And when Ragozin says, I begin to believe that there are more good people in our country! And the pendulum will surely swing in our direction! And there we will push too!
  46. Antokha
    Antokha 13 December 2013 21: 22
    +1
    Here we will learn how to make good "racks" and we will decide half the battle with the machines, otherwise we are tired of these funky, sinumerics, etc., although reliable and simple, but still not our own. Let's make our own high-quality and reliable we will sell these racks to amers and at X hour they will start making nesting dolls!
    1. Kir
      Kir 13 December 2013 21: 29
      0
      And in the last surprise, super mini N bch, and what’s the purest!
  47. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 13 December 2013 22: 39
    +1
    Quote: Kir
    But I’m not sure that, at least in the drawings or even prototypes left over from the USSR, we don’t have enough machines and equipment at our level, of course we’ve done a lot, but I think that’s not all. Regarding microns, excuse me, what is so extraordinary in complexity, even if parts of VK1M with such precision punched punches were made even on S-85 and S-6 machines, moreover, Manual tuning! this is true on one of the flagships of precision engineering 1MCHZ, and the Swiss were there without CNC and also with micron accuracy.
    As a conclusion, you can, but for this you need to take a few steps
    1 To stop messing up cities with offices built instead of factories and factories, for the production sector to make loyal, not to resellers and traders from resources, but to producers of energy prices
    2 REAL, and not formal reduction of managers of all stripes as well as intermediary sharags, at the same time to cut the amount of money and introduce the code of Allegiance, I do not agree to sign a non-aggression agreement with the Society - Broom in hand !!! Signed and Violated? Enemy of the people!!!!
    3 Introduce a paid education for the diligent humanities of all stripes, and use the money received for a natural science and engineering education! Also, upon admission, you are forced to sign a similar code of Fidelity, you will violate the Enemy of the People with all those who stick out!
    Otherwise, it’s obviously not tight.
    Ardent Legist.


    Personally, I had to work as a turner in DiPach at one time. So we caught hundreds of them without any problems.
    And about the Soviet K-61 and K0-2 and say nothing.
    So it was a long time ago.
    Now it’s not a problem to build such machines with microns ...
    1. Kir
      Kir 14 December 2013 03: 03
      0
      So, in fact, on the Vernier, our instrumental also had a division of 0,01mm, but in general there is a feeling that people did not see the calibers, then they would know that the difference between the passable and the non-passable is 2 microns. Even with regards to machine tools, after all, even when there were machines on which parts for laser gyroscopes were manufactured, so ... add to this that the clever Swiss and Japanese bought our movements with the only requirement Do not brand! And the marine chronograph is the same -the same was taken when the mechanism is often the whole. Then the "octopus" even when it was developed, in general ........, one question is where is all this now, and whether they can do it as before using conventional tools at the Soviet level? And to reap the buttons, of course .... Not for nothing did the old people say you first learn to work great in simple, but it's not a problem to switch to a heaped one.
      By the way, maybe someone doesn’t know, so not only engineers and scientific personnel, but also cordons with pleasure invited our hard workers, I heard quite a few that often left not in some states, but very developed states with a known culture and skill: Austria, Germany and Switzerland, that's it.
  48. samoletil18
    samoletil18 13 December 2013 22: 45
    0
    I had a battalion commander named "Basin" Well, he blurted out something out of place from time to time. But the man was smart.
    Or another example: Comments here (on the site) are mostly on the "+" for me, like not a dunce. But somehow one got caught in retrospect that he couldn’t believe his eyes: this nonsense was written by ITSELF. wassat
    Maybe not pay attention to EVERYTHING that Rogozin says is so biased on our part?
    And after his investigation, the Protons did not fall anymore. Here. Interestingly, they fell with GLONASS. And they don't fall with American ones anymore. what Something here from the machines crawled into the rocket.
  49. NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 13 December 2013 22: 53
    +2
    At the present time, everything is possible and relevant, people who are far from electronics do not understand. Ragozin says business and it is time to have everything of their own and mechanical engineering, and electronics, and produce everything in their country under the name of Russia. From greed, businessmen strive to take everything to China - where now production of INTERSKOL, ARSENAL and much more. The fact that Ragozin will be prime minister is a Fact, and people will forget like a nightmare about the BEAR-Menchel and his "reforms", and electronic espionage has existed for a very long time and
    reliably and electronically and radio especially in the figure of his SPY
    OPPORTUNITIES ARE NOT LIMITED TO ANYTHING.
  50. konvalval
    konvalval 13 December 2013 23: 11
    +2
    Well done Shoigu, Rogozin, these sovereigns should be in the government. And then you look at some in this cabinet of ministers led by M..D..A WANT TO Cry.
    1. Kir
      Kir 14 December 2013 03: 08
      0
      The true message, only the Sovereigns should be capitalized, since they are really Sovereigns, and with regards to the Cabinet, and by education, who is it mostly?