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Soviet aircraft carrying cruisers in China

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Soviet aircraft carrying cruisers in China



As if two fragments of granite rock are a great legacy of the Soviet Union.

The heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers “Kiev” and “Minsk”, sold abroad at the price of scrap metal, now decorate amusement parks in the People's Republic of China. "Kiev" props the mooring wall in Tianjin. His twin became part of the Minsk World theme park in Shenzhen. At first glance, ships are naval ships and aviation museums - with aircraft located on the upper deck, fake missiles and battle stations in the superstructure preserved in their original form. But if you go down to the lower decks, you suddenly find yourself in a realm of brilliance and luxury: inside the former Soviet aircraft carrier, an original hotel with 148 rooms is equipped - from simple to luxury, as well as a restaurant serving Ukrainian cuisine.

The legendary TAKRs of 1143 av. (Code “Krechet”), which were in service with the USSR Navy from the middle of 70 to the end of 80. The lead ship of the series - “Kiev”, commissioned in 1975, became the ancestor of the new class of ships - heavy aircraft carrying cruisers (TAVKR). Large combat units with a total displacement of over 40 thousand tons, combining air wings of three dozen units of aircraft and the strike power of a heavy missile cruiser. The 2 / 3 hull length was occupied by a flight deck with seven landing pads for VTOL aircraft and helicopters. Under the flight deck was an aircraft hangar with dimensions 130 x 22,5 meters. The nose was completely given to the placement of missile and artillery weapons.



The bristling anti-aircraft machine guns and the peaks of Eastern-facing missiles from beam launchers, with roaring planes on the flight deck - the 270-meter giant was a fantastic spectacle that even now thousands of tourists come to watch from all over the world.

The hybrid was not very rational in terms of combat capabilities, however, very sophisticated from a technical point of view - in 70-ies no country in the world (except the US), with all the desire, could not recreate something like that.

The best achievements of the Soviet military industrial complex were embodied in the TAKR design: the P-500 "Basalt" anti-ship complex with supersonic long-range missiles, the M-11 "Storm" medium-range anti-aircraft missile system, the Vortex anti-submarine missile system with special combat units, and radar stations in general Detection MP-700 "Fregat-M" and MP-600 "Voskhod", combat information and control system "Alley-2", sonar complex in the composition of the towed GAS "Platina" and towed GAS "Orion", the station t MI-110K submarine thermal wake track and MI-110Р wake radiation detection station, satellite communications and data lines, five EW stations, passive jamming systems, automatic radar-guided anti-aircraft guns. In 1975, not a single fleet in the world had such equipment and could not even dream of building such a ship.


From this angle, the dimensions of Minsk are well felt. The ship is monstrously great.

The "star number" of the Soviet TAKRs was an air show with Yak-38 aircraft. A small single attack aircraft, holding the first accident rate among all the aircraft and air force aircraft. Nevertheless, it is one of the three types of vertical take-off and landing aircraft that have been put into service and launched into serial production (the other two VTOL are the British Sea Harrier and the promising American F-35B). The value of the Yak-38, as a combat unit, was small - the plane earned many offensive nicknames (“top mast defense aircraft”) and was considered unpromising to perform any pressing tasks. Low thrust-to-weight ratio and low LTH, coupled with the lack of on-board radar, did not allow Yak to effectively intercept air targets (only by visual contact, using cannon-mounted cannons or short-range missiles). At the same time, the minimum combat radius (with a vertical take-off with a payload did not exceed 100 km), a small combat load (a total of 1500 kg during take-off with a shortened take-off run) and the absence of compact anti-ship missiles with a long launch range made it not very useful as a strike aircraft.



More importantly, a full squadron of anti-submarine helicopters could be based on board an aircraft-carrying cruiser. A dozen Ka-25PL helicopters, the Whirlwind missile system and its own means of detecting the PL-TAVKR, which was originally created as a powerful anti-submarine cruiser, fully justified this mission.

Anti-aircraft weapons were no less important: the TAKR, unlike the American aircraft carriers, was deprived of F-14 interceptor fighters, but in return had consolation in the form of three anti-aircraft echelons.

The first consisted of two “Storm” air defense missile systems (max. Firing range to 55 km, warhead 146 kg, ammunition cruiser - 96 missiles). In addition to the medium-range air defense system, a pair of Osa-M short-range air defense systems and four AK-630-8 anti-aircraft guns of six-barrel automatic rifles with a rotating barrel unit and 4 radar of the Vympel fire control system were on board.

Finally, the strike weapons, which became an unpleasant surprise for the “probable opponents” - 8 PU for anti-ship missiles of the P-500 “Basalt” complex (ammunition kit - 16 RCC). The maximum launch range is up to 500 km. March speed - up to 2,5 M at high altitude. Starting weight ≈ 5 tons. This "one-time attack aircraft", unmanned kamikaze aircraft. Warhead - penetrating type, mass 1000 kg or "special" power 350 CT. As of the mid-to-end 70-s, no AUG air defense system guaranteed protection against the “flock” of the 8 ASMBR. At the same time, one hit of a similar anti-ship missile with a conventional warhead was enough to break the escort cruiser in half or permanently disable the aircraft carrier.



Contrary to popular misconception, the combat capabilities of TAKR were determined primarily by the capabilities of the anti-aircraft, anti-submarine, and shock weapons and detection tools placed on board. As for the Yak-38 superplanes, the pilots joked: "The Soviet military threat: took off, frightened, landed."

Full displacement - 40 000 + tons. Steam turbine power plant with total power 180 000 HP The crew of the ship is 1433 sailor + 430 man of a wing. Full speed - knot 32. 8000 sailing range at economic speed 18 knots. Six missile systems for various purposes, anti-aircraft and universal artillery, RBU, torpedoes, under the ground and towed GAS, a powerful radio engineering complex of detection, reconnaissance and EW, up to thirty units of aircraft and helicopters on board ...

A masterpiece of science and technology. A naval combat platform that combined the functions of an anti-submarine ship, a missile cruiser and an aircraft carrier (helicopter carrier). TAKRs became the visiting card of the Soviet fleet, powerful combat units capable of radically enhancing the combat stability of any ocean squadron.


TAKR "Novorossiysk"

A total of 1143 TAKR was built on the 4 project. "Kiev" and "Minsk" had minimal differences in design and were externally indistinguishable from each other.

The third building, Novorossiysk, was already being built with all the deficiencies identified during the operation of the first TAKRs. Were dismantled useless torpedo tubes. the outdated Osa-M SAM system and the Bazalt spare set of missiles — reloading 5-ton missiles under combat conditions looked too unrealistic. The released space reserve was spent on increasing the air group and the ability to accommodate the landing on board. Now you can base heavy helicopters. Were updated CIU and radio equipment ship. The complex of detection tools supplemented the tackle radar MP-350 for detecting low-flying targets. Instead of the underground “Platinum” underground station, the fantastic station “Polynom” was installed.

The fourth TAVKR - “Baku” (“Admiral Gorshkov”, 1143.4 Ave.) - was the next stage in the evolution of Soviet aircraft-carrying cruisers. The nasal part was expanded due to the elimination of the nasal sponson on the left side - the number of PU P-500 "Basalt" increased to 12. The outdated Storm and Osa anti-aircraft systems were replaced with 24 underdeck short-range air defense missile systems Dagger (192 SAM missile) - a direct consequence of the appearance of a threat in the form of low-flying anti-ship missiles. The caliber of universal artillery was increased to 100 mm. New CUS "Icepick". For the first time in the Soviet fleet, on the ship they installed a Mars-Passat radar complex with four stationary HEADLIGHTS (they didn’t manage to bring this complex “to mind” - the Soviet Navy disappeared, along with a great country).

The fate of these ships was different.

"Kiev" and "Minsk" faithfully served until the end of the 80-ies, having performed on 10 combat services in the expanses of the World Ocean. Due to the lack of suitable coastal infrastructure, both TAVKRs were forced to stand on the roadstead, constantly using their own power plant for energy supply. Raid "killed" the ships. By the end of 80's, Kyiv and Minsk had almost completely exhausted their resources and needed urgent overhaul and modernization. By that time, the process of decommissioning the obsolete Yak-38 began, but it did not appear to replace them with the Yak-141. Due to the uncertainty of the future fate and purpose of these giants and with a sharp reduction in funding, it was decided to exclude the TAKRs from the Navy.

In 1991, the Kiev was taken out of the fleet's combat fleet to the reserve — the ship from the 1987 did not go to sea, and by that time it was an unworkable rusty ruin. In 1993, the TAKR was finally disarmed and a year later it was sold for disassembly to China. Contrary to the fears associated with the restoration of the once formidable ship and its inclusion in the current composition of the PLA Navy, the Chinese refused to adopt such "hybrids". Aircraft cruiser turned into a luxury museum hotel.

There was a similar with “Minsk” история - the ship would have been sold for cutting to South Korea, but as a result, it also turned out to be in China, turning into a magnificent monument of the Soviet Navy in the city of Shenzhen.

The fate of Novorossiysk turned out to be much more bitter: despite the relatively young age of TAKR (by the time it was put into reserve - less than 10 years), the overall archaic nature of its design and the absence of a suitable VTOL aircraft unambiguously affected the outcome of the situation - in 1994, the ship was sold to a South Korean company Young Distribution Company for 4,314 million dollars, but alas, at that time there was no one willing to buy the TAKR for any urgent tasks, and Novorossiysk was mercilessly cut into nails.

The only one who managed to survive his time and enter service already under a new, Indian name - INS Vikramaditya - became the Soviet aircraft carrier “Baku” (he is also “Admiral Gorshkov”).


TAKR "Kiev" in Tianjin



Anti-submarine missiles complex "Whirlwind". Starting range to 24 km. A QUO of a few hundred meters didn’t matter - Whirlwind missiles were equipped with a 10 kt nuclear missile with a continuous 1 km defeat zone at 200 m detonation. The cruiser ammunition included 16 such ammunition


TAKR combat information center



The hangar deck of "Minsk"



Six-barrel "cutters" AK-630 for some reason painted black



On the deck noticeable transport and combat Mi-24. Planes built into the line are Nanchang Q-5 light attack aircraft. This is hard to believe, but the Chinese claim that this is a profound modernization of the MiG-19









Pay attention for the funny uniform maids


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  1. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 2 December 2013 07: 36
    54
    Looking at these ships standing in the Chinese ports as amusement establishments, the only desire arises ... to put on the stake a labeled ghoul and all that bunch of jackals that destroyed the great power.
    1. Civil
      Civil 2 December 2013 08: 26
      19
      A shame! There is nothing more to add.
      1. edge
        edge 2 December 2013 16: 02
        +8
        amphibians have fun ................. hi It's a shame. We lost a lot thanks to several ubl .... Kam at the top
      2. predator.3
        predator.3 2 December 2013 18: 52
        +5
        It would be better if they were drowned in the middle of the Black Sea or cut into needles, than to look at this shame! fool
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 2 December 2013 08: 36
      10
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Looking at these ships standing in the Chinese ports as amusement establishments, the only desire arises ... to put on the stake a labeled ghoul and all that bunch of jackals that destroyed the great power.

      And what does Gorbachev have to do with it? Was he responsible for the construction of berths for Kiev, Minsk, Novorossiysk, Gorshkov, as well as Kirov, Frunze, Kalinin, the Urals? In general, for all those giants who killed their resource on the raid, because "someone" did not think that having built the giants, you need to provide them with a home base with steam, water and electricity? Let's remember his last name, his name was Sergei Georgievich Gorshkov, well, not Gorbachev.
      1. Walking
        Walking 2 December 2013 15: 47
        11
        To build such ships and will not bother at all with their ground support is throwing money away, and a lesson for the future for modern fans of aircraft carriers.
    3. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros 3 December 2013 01: 26
      0
      Here it must be added that the Soviet fleet was developing extremely extensively, for the TAKRs commissioned ... they simply did not have the appropriate port infrastructure, often they burned the engine resources in the raid, because they all worked out their resources for 10-15 years.
  2. Xmypp
    Xmypp 2 December 2013 08: 36
    +4
    All pissed off.
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 2 December 2013 08: 57
    +5
    For the price of scrap metal ... Eh! But in a pinch, they could become our museums, and not entertainment establishments for copy pasteurists who have nothing to do with them.
    1. loft79
      loft79 2 December 2013 10: 24
      +4
      Quote: Stiletto
      and not entertainment facilities for copy pasteurists

      It’s sad. I think they are still with roulette and climbed all measured.
    2. Kars
      Kars 2 December 2013 11: 03
      +3
      Quote: Stiletto
      At the price of scrap metal ..

      Rather, it’s even much cheaper than scrap.

      There was the Moment of Truth program with Karaulov - I don’t know how patriots relate to it in the Russian Federation. So there is only the former commander who else told and showed that even part of the secret equipment was not removed.
      1. Santa Fe
        2 December 2013 16: 15
        0
        Quote: Kars
        that even part of the secret equipment was not removed.

        It could not be
        There was no secret equipment on it. Outdated rubbish mixed with rust.
        1. Kars
          Kars 2 December 2013 17: 05
          +2
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          There was no secret equipment on it. Outdated rubbish mixed with rust.

          All questions to Karaulov. But for some reason, the cruiser Lobov is not allowed to be sold to Ukraine, and there it’s about the same thing.
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 2 December 2013 17: 57
          0
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          There was no secret equipment on it. Outdated rubbish mixed with rust.

          Good afternoon, Oleg.
          Strongly agree with you.
          To send a color-drag meth over the hill, in products and not in ingots, is blasphemy. Although, by the order of some admiral, they could not mount them. But knowing the Russian "maybe" and "OP. With him", they could remove them down to the screws. The last without pasting doc. laughing wink
          On the example of "Buran" one can be convinced of the latter (it was not sold or transferred to anyone, but looks like a Tu-22 or Tu-160 at the Poltava air base).
          Well, the beloved conquered differs from the species in the store of Mr. Gazman from the United States.


          More details and details in the link.
          http://eecue.com/b/665/Norton-Sales-HDR-Photo-Essay.html

          Last, by the way, is a topic for Oleg in the future or another professional pen and journalism.
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 2 December 2013 18: 45
          +2
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          It could not be

          Not a fact, not a fact. In those days they sold and not that.
  4. Blad_21617
    Blad_21617 2 December 2013 09: 04
    +8
    the Americans from their relatively new ships make museums cherish their rather poor history for posterity .... and ours try to make a profit ... if only they could sell them cut ... but what prevented the museums from making ... yes they would have paid off 10 times and profit brought.
  5. UVB
    UVB 2 December 2013 09: 06
    +6
    Can I dream? I wish "Kiev", "Minsk" and b. "Varyag" the same death as "Giulio Cesare"!
    1. UVB
      UVB 2 December 2013 10: 22
      +2
      Well, who's minus? Do you gloat that warships, the pride of the USSR Navy, have been turned into a nativity scene? Or maybe not aware that this is "Giulio Cesare"? Let me explain for the uninitiated. The former Italian battleship received by the USSR after the war during the division of the Italian fleet, as part of the USSR Navy, bore the name "Novorossiysk", died after an explosion in the Sevastopol Bay on 25.10.1955/XNUMX/XNUMX. The most probable version of the death today is the work of Italian saboteurs.
      1. Legioner
        Legioner 2 December 2013 16: 29
        +1
        I agree, let the Japanese blow them up and the nativity scene will begin there
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 2 December 2013 17: 08
        +1
        Quote: UVB
        Well, who's minus? Do you gloat that warships, the pride of the USSR Navy, have been turned into a nativity scene? Or maybe not aware that this is "Giulio Cesare"?

        What arrogance? No need to consider yourself smarter than others. Where do you see the nativity scene? The museum is a worthy end to the service for a warship, it is a pity that this museum is not in Russia, but nonetheless.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 2 December 2013 18: 50
          +3
          Quote: Setrac
          Museum - a worthy end to the service for the warship,

          If a museum is a potential adversary in the country, then NO. hi
        2. UVB
          UVB 3 December 2013 08: 56
          0
          Bars, cabaret on board do you call a museum? Oh well...
      3. Armata
        Armata 2 December 2013 17: 32
        0
        Quote: UVB
        Well, who's minus? Do you gloat that warships, the pride of the USSR Navy, have been turned into a nativity scene? Or maybe not aware that this is "Giulio Cesare"? Let me explain for the uninitiated. The former Italian battleship received by the USSR after the war during the division of the Italian fleet, as part of the USSR Navy, bore the name "Novorossiysk", died after an explosion in the Sevastopol Bay on 25.10.1955/XNUMX/XNUMX. The most probable version of the death today is the work of Italian saboteurs.
        Well, then fate overtook him. Giulio Cesare is the brother of Maria Medici. And as their whole family preferred to poison from the undercoat. I wanted to poison my own father, but it turned out that the servant mixed up the bottles with wine and gave him poison. He survived after that, and died when he tried to escape from the country and met the heavy cavalry of border guards, where he was chopped into cutlets.
        1. clidon
          clidon 2 December 2013 18: 25
          +1
          The battleship was actually named: Giulio Cesare, in honor of Guy Julius Caesar. There was such a dictator in ancient Rome. )
        2. UVB
          UVB 2 December 2013 18: 42
          +1
          What does the Medici brother have to do with it? Is it really not clear, I meant the fate of the battleship, not a historical person. Quotes for what ?! "..."
  6. Odysseus
    Odysseus 2 December 2013 09: 25
    +8
    Shame on us for not being able to save either the country or the ships.
    The Chinese, of course, well done done everything wisely, but it’s a shame to look at it .....
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 2 December 2013 22: 22
      0
      Quote: Odyssey
      The Chinese, of course, well done done everything wisely, but it’s a shame to look at it .....

      Totally agree with you.
  7. Greenwood
    Greenwood 2 December 2013 09: 37
    +6
    Better than that for scrap. These ships were needed by a great power under the name of the USSR, a raw-material donor of the West under the name of the Russian Federation without a coherent foreign policy and with predatory domestic ships such ships naturally come to nothing.
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  10. twister
    twister 2 December 2013 10: 24
    0
    Although the Chinese have preserved the history of the former power of a great power that is a thing of the past! Well done, we would have rusted somewhere in the sump!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 2 December 2013 17: 29
      0
      Quote: twister
      we would have rusted somewhere in the sump!
      So ours sold.
  11. clidon
    clidon 2 December 2013 10: 36
    +1
    The fate of these ships would be sad in any case. And so they bring at least some benefit. Therefore, it is not a pity for "Kiev", "Minsk", "Novorossiysk", but only for the sold "Varyag", which Russia could, in principle, buy and complete for little money, thus receiving a second AUG with a modernized "Nakhimov".
  12. Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 2 December 2013 11: 06
    0
    Yeah ... It's a shame for the power.
  13. Wiruz
    Wiruz 2 December 2013 12: 24
    +2
    FIVE aircraft carriers were sold after the collapse of the Union - "Kiev", "Minsk", "Novorossiysk", "Admiral Gorshkov", "Varyag". On the count of the one who sold them!
    1. Walking
      Walking 2 December 2013 15: 51
      +2
      In Russia, they would just stand and rust against the wall, unfortunately.
  14. vostok68
    vostok68 2 December 2013 12: 29
    +2
    Basalts are very beautiful rockets! I saw them on the 675 project!
  15. ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 2 December 2013 13: 32
    +2
    These aircraft carriers at that time were a burden for the country. Therefore, the high authorities decided to merge them then and when the favorable times come to make the newest aircraft carriers for the fleet. THINKING WRONG DECISION. It could be put on preservation.
    1. clidon
      clidon 2 December 2013 13: 50
      0
      At that time, the high authorities had no time for aircraft carriers at all, questions about the sale were resolved spontaneously. But one thing I can say, more or less, for sure, if now there were "Kiev", "Minsk" and "Novorossiysk" in the sedimentation tanks, it would not help the domestic fleet. The only question would be about one thing, when they are written off ...
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 2 December 2013 17: 31
      +1
      Quote: ramin_serg
      Therefore, the high authorities decided to merge them then and when the favorable times come to make the newest aircraft carriers for the fleet.
      In my opinion, the high authorities at that time thought only of how much to profit from the sale of state property.
      Quote: ramin_serg
      and when favorable times come to make the newest aircraft carriers for the fleet.
      I wonder when they will come. Now they say that until the 2020 of the year we will not see new aircraft carriers as our ears.
  16. vostok68
    vostok68 2 December 2013 13: 51
    -5
    Aircraft carriers canceled basalts at one time! Now there are other means! We do not need aircraft carriers! We are not an aggressive nation! We are for World Peace! At any cost!
  17. tank 34
    tank 34 2 December 2013 14: 33
    0
    Thanks to the bum and the canoe :(
  18. tank 34
    tank 34 2 December 2013 14: 33
    0
    Thanks to the bum and the canoe :(
  19. Poppy
    Poppy 2 December 2013 14: 39
    +2
    I saw Baku alive at one time, we changed them to a combat one in the Middle Sea, went along the board - it was impressive of course, even compared to us (RCC Leningrad)
    1. Walking
      Walking 2 December 2013 15: 58
      0
      In Soviet times, I saw them only in the photo, only recently I was able to examine them live on a trip to China. A sea of ​​impressions and light sadness.
    2. ramin_serg
      ramin_serg 2 December 2013 16: 12
      -1
      mdyaa and shas called him Vikromadatiya damn the language can be broken
  20. Poppy
    Poppy 2 December 2013 14: 39
    +1
    I saw Baku alive at one time, we changed them to a combat one in the Middle Sea, went along the board - it was impressive of course, even compared to us (RCC Leningrad)
  21. paul72
    paul72 2 December 2013 14: 44
    +1
    was it really so difficult in the days of the USSR to build moorings and not kill the resource of ships in raids?
    even if YACs were bad, these ships would fit like helicopter carriers
    1. clidon
      clidon 2 December 2013 15: 37
      0
      Where are there so many helicopters? ) What was needed was a radical modernization, as in the case of "Vikramaditya". Only in the 90s it was already a fantasy.
  22. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 2 December 2013 15: 13
    +1
    Quote: vostok68
    Aircraft carriers canceled basalts at one time! Now there are other means! We do not need aircraft carriers! We are not an aggressive nation! We are for World Peace! At any cost!

    The world wants life only with the strong. Weak win!
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  25. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 2 December 2013 15: 49
    +3
    sonar system as a part of the liner GAS "Platinum" and the towed GAS "Orion",

    The author is, as always, interesting, but an inaccuracy crept in: "Orion" was a keel GAS, located in the nose bulb of the aircraft carrier, but "Platina" had two antennas - a keel antenna and a towed one (a towed, lowered body).
    the Chinese refused to adopt such "hybrids."

    Not because they didn’t want to, but because they didn’t have anything like Basalt. However, this did not prevent them from climbing the ship from keel to keel with compass and carefully copying everything to the Liaolin.
    1. Santa Fe
      2 December 2013 16: 11
      +1
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      "Orion" is a subkeal GUS, located in the nose bulb of the aircraft carrier, but the "Platinum" had two antennas - a subkeal and a towed one (a towed, lowered body).

      all right
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      from keel to klotik with caliper-compass and carefully copy everything to "Liaolin".

      Liaolin (Varangian) has nothing to do with Kiev and Minsk
      And with Varyag only external resemblance - this is a completely different ship
  26. Yankuz
    Yankuz 2 December 2013 15: 51
    +4
    It's sad to watch THIS ... My heart bleeds! I remember how, in the 80s, sitting as a student of the shipbuilding faculty of the Far Eastern Polytechnic Institute at lectures, I looked out the window and admired the beauty and grandeur of the "Minsk", standing at that time in the Golden Horn Bay of Vladivostok! Eh! There were times! And pride was for the Country, and for the Motherland, and for the Fatherland!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 2 December 2013 18: 59
      +3
      Quote: Yankuz
      And pride was for the Country, and for the Motherland, and for the Fatherland!

      and now a feeling similar to that of a raped woman. sad
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  28. xomaNN
    xomaNN 2 December 2013 16: 43
    +2
    How merciless is the story of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who fell into the wrong place! Then keep in reserve the aircraft carrier "Novorossiysk" and, possibly, "Minsk" - there would now be a platform-hull for the construction and modernization of aircraft-carrying ships. After all, the previous Soviet helicopter carriers of the Black Sea Fleet "Moscow" and "Leningrad" have served their sailing periods with dignity.
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  30. stranik72
    stranik72 2 December 2013 20: 36
    0
    Quote: hert
    We have lost a lot thanks to several great ....

    And not only to them and not so much to them as to us, remember the slogan "we are not slaves, we are not slaves." We were silent, we are silent now, and the northern fluffy animal is getting closer.
  31. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 2 December 2013 23: 57
    0
    It is a pity that having such a fleet, the country still does not have a good Naval Museum in real or in kind. Some, and many, simply do not even imagine the scale of such ships and nuclear submarines.
    That would be in St. Petersburg to do this, it would be a wonderful gift to the city. But alas!
  32. Grossfater
    Grossfater 3 December 2013 00: 34
    0
    It's sad. I served at "Novorossiysk" in 90-91 BCH-1 navigator electrician. In 91, as part of the crew of the newly built em "Restless", he was sent to St. Petersburg on a destroyer under construction.
  33. Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 3 December 2013 01: 00
    0
    It hurts ... it hurts guys to look at it.
  34. q_556
    q_556 3 December 2013 01: 16
    +2
    Oh, if I had money, I would buy this aircraft carrier. If possible, he restored and donated the Navy, if not as a TARKR, then at least as a museum. And if there is no possibility to restore, then I would find a suitable vessel, assemble our sailors, an orchestra on it, take this aircraft carrier out to sea and give the order to open kingstones to the sounds of the USSR anthem. And what, to die so proudly, with music, and not to stand in a strange port to the delight of tourists and onlookers.

    On the shore so lively, crowded
    And the water rises like a mirage
    An ancient ship, a menacing ship,
    The onlookers amuse and decorates the beach.
    How not to fight, years, alas, stronger,
    Like it or not, it will take its time,
    They rotted the sides and there are no sails on the yards,
    And never give full ahead.

    But anyone will come here for a penny,
    To push a goby into a cannon,
    And in the hold, visit the cafe and the wine room,
    And also to star in the background of the sea wave,
    With a friend, if there is no wife,
    With one hand hugging her
    Another hugging the helm.

    I was there, and, looking at the crowd,
    With pain in my soul, I realized one thing,
    In order not to become such a museum,
    At the right time, it’s better to go down.
  35. pvv113
    pvv113 5 December 2013 21: 05
    +6
    EVERYTHING THAT DOES NOT TALK IS SELLED AT ANY PRICE, THERE WOULD BE EARNER. EXTREMELY SORRY FACT
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  37. pvv113
    pvv113 5 December 2013 21: 10
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    only the former commander or someone else who told and showed that even part of the secret equipment was not removed.
    I SAW THIS PROGRAM - THE FORMER SHIP CAPTAIN HAS PERFORMED AND TELL ABOUT THE UNSOLVED SECRET EQUIPMENT
  38. Nikolai N
    Nikolai N 5 December 2013 22: 15
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    And I saw a ship in Dalian 12 years ago, my heart drenched in blood did not fit in my head.