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The best fleet. Will not let you down?

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The best fleet. Will not let you down?



Oh, tell me, you see in the first rays of the sun that in the middle of the battle we were walking in the evening lightning. Blue with a scattering of stars striped our flag, red and white fire from the barricades will reappear! Like a thunderclap, thrashing the sky into thousands of mirror fragments. Like a hammer hitting a red-hot nail, the American fleet is powerful and beautiful. Its annual budget is 155 billion dollars, and the number of large combat ships of the first rank (aircraft carriers, missile destroyers, nuclear submarines) is more than in the composition of all the other fleets of the world combined!

Invincible AUG, Aegis Patrol ABM and a multifunctional amphibious group. Pick up successful views - in a two-minute commercial, the maximum information about the US Navy should be reflected. The latest technical innovations should be included in the video series - littoral warships, a plot about the work of special operations forces and a submarine pop-up in the ice ... Don't forget to insert a sentimental fragment about saving a black baby in a disaster zone. At the end - a few static frames. All under the disturbing and exciting music.



Stop! Taken off!
But what remains behind the shots of “The Best in the World” fleet"?

The US Navy is the funniest fleet in the world. The largest and most expensive. But at the same time it is the most stupid and ineffective (cost / benefit) among the naval forces of other developed countries. The fact that the Yankees have a rare gift to allow terrible, inexplicable logic in terms of miscalculations, it turned out during the Second World War. They did not notice the flashes and thunders of 203-mm guns from a distance of 20 miles (a pogrom near Savo Island, better known as the “Second Pearl Harbor”) - the Japanese walked around the island counter-clockwise, shooting the US Navy sleeping cruisers one by one. Or they allowed the surrender of the “concrete armadillo” Correidore before the 10-fold inferior enemy. They missed a squadron of Japanese battleships and TKR in the landing zone in the Philippines - at that time only a miracle saved the Yankees from an imminent disaster. With such fantastic leadership skills, only innate prudence, cutting-edge scientific innovations and multiple numerical superiority could ensure America’s victory in the Pacific.


Norfolk. The world's largest naval base.
17 kilometers of moorings crammed with ships

During the Cold War, the situation became more complicated - the lack of a clear front line and the rapidly changing situation led to a series of comical and tragic incidents that occurred with the US Navy ships.

American sailors fell under shelling of Israeli and Iraqi aviation, their ships were boarded by North Korean special forces, were blown up on Iranian mines and pushed out with rude kicks from the territorial waters of the USSR. They were fired upon by their own allies and Arab tattered raiders on holey boats with bags of improvised explosives.

To fall in an unequal battle is not a shame. It is a shame when, after a long chase, the North Korean assault group that landed on the Pueblo board found a teletype in the radio room that continued to knock out secret radiograms. The Yankees not only did not destroy the secret equipment, but did not even try to turn it off! Not to mention such an obvious decision as to sink your ship in the face of superior enemy forces — the idea of ​​being in the cold January water turned out to be alien to the American consciousness. Why risk your own life for the sake of some kind of national security? Let the Koreans look at the encryption machines - what's the big deal?


USS Pueblo (AGER-2) at the embankment in Pyongyang. Our days



Here such a ship, the valiant American sailors "gave" the enemy!

Upon arrival in North Korean Wonsan, the KW-7 encryption machines were immediately dismantled and transported to Moscow. By using the secret Pueblo legacy, Soviet cryptographers have been able to decipher more than 1 million messages from the US Navy.

Special thanks should be expressed to the aircraft carrier Enterprise - it was located 500 miles to the south and received an order to immediately raise the aircraft and smash all North Korean pelvis trying to get close to the American intelligence officer. The Yankees had more than an hour left before the boarding party landed on the Pueblo - the Enterprise had every chance to save the US Navy from shame. Alas, commander Kent L. Lee spread his hands and said that after a heavy transoceanic transition, half of his planes are not capable - and it would take at least an hour and a half to form an attack force. So do it yourself ...



Do not be ashamed to get under the "friendly fire" - in the confusion of battle, this happens often. It is a shame when the Ajis military information supersystem, on the development of which billions were spent, classifies the huge slow Airbus as a “fighter” and boldly directs missiles at it. 290 passengers of the flight IranAir 655 went to feed the fish. After that, the officers of the cruiser "Vincennes" were awarded for "courage and composure, shown in combat conditions."

It is not a shame when the flagship of the mine-sweeping forces in the Persian Gulf — the Tripoli helicopter carrier with a squadron of modern MH-53E helicopter-mine sweepers — is being blown up by ground mines. Mines - insidious thing. It is a shame when the missile cruiser Princeton is undermined by mines and then, during the long hours, not one of the American ships dared to approach the cruiser dying in front of his eyes. Only the Canadian frigate Atabaskan had enough courage and ability to successfully overcome the minefield and deliver an emergency batch and materials for emergency repair of the hull aboard the Princeton.


Shipyard experts inspect the damaged building of the Tripoli helicopter carrier



The cruiser "Princeton", cracked from the explosion in half. Glued back for $ 100 million

The incidents with the undermining of "Tripoli" and "Princeton" had great consequences: the command of the Navy and the ILC immediately abandoned plans for an amphibious operation on the coast of Kuwait.

Do not be ashamed when an ally shoots you in the back. Lies and betrayal - the eternal vices that exist since the creation of the world. But what happened off the coast of Palestine 8 June 1967 of the year turned into some kind of surrealistic farce with a purple tinge.



In the Sinai desert fierce battles rattled, and the USS Liberty USS electronic reconnaissance ship calmly patrolled in international waters 25 miles north-west of Arish. From here, no shots and cries of the dying were heard, the watch-free sailors enjoyed the Mediterranean sun and made bets: after how many days the Israeli army would break into Cairo? But Israeli Israeli reconnaissance planes are somehow unduly worrying over them. It is not good ...

- Calm down, Jimmy, they see our flag, white stars and the inscription GTR-5. They know who we are.

First, "Liberty" came under heavy attack "Mirage" of the Israeli Air Force. Having shot the entire ammunition of guns and the NAR, the fighters fled. They were replaced by the Meysters with napalm. Next came the torpedo boats. Israeli sailors at point-blank fire “Liberty” were fired from machine guns and a torpedo was thrown into the side of the unfortunate scout. And then, as if nothing had happened, they approached the board of the flaming Liberty and offered their help. It is still unclear what it was - an intentional attack or a tragic mistake. Israel apologized sparingly and paid compensation to the families of the 34 victims. The Americans pretended nothing.


34 dead, 173 injured. One of the most destructive attacks on the American ship since the end of WWII

In continuation of the “mine theme” - in April 1988 of the year in the Persian Gulf, an American rocket frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts blew up on a mine.
It is not a shame to blow up on a modern bottom mine. It is a shame to be blown up on the contact mine of the 1908 sample of the year. This is not just a shame, it's funny. Modern ships should be able to cope with such threats, sonars distinguish such mines in the water column at a distance of several miles. The main thing - do not sleep in the post.

However, it would be unfair to shift all the blame on the operator of the sonar station. On the frigates of the type "Oliver H. Perry", the under ANY / AN SQS-56 was installed. What this sonar represented was a simple fact that the use of SQS-56 instead of the “real” SQS-53, which were put on cruisers and destroyers, allowed 600 to save tons of displacement. In addition, the SQS-56 was high-frequency and was of little use for the search of sea mines.


The frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts (FFG-58) at full speed!

The fact that the frigates "Oliver H. Perry" - incapable steel coffins, American sailors guessed long ago. A cheaper escort ship project built with a series of 50 units. They were supposed to be used to cover the transatlantic convoys in the event of the start of a nuclear-free Third World War. Alas, experience has shown that the hopes of the naval command were in vain. Too modest dimensions for the ship of the ocean zone, single-shaft design of the GEM, simplified means of detection, one-frame launcher Mk.13 (nicknamed in the fleet as “one-armed gangster”), an open air defense circuit, the absence of anti-submarine missile-torpedo ... perform tasks assigned to them or simply defend themselves against primitive means of attack.


Damage caused by a mine. 4 sailor contused. Damage estimated at 89 million.



The damaged "Roberts" returns to his homeland

This was well demonstrated by another incident in the Persian Gulf: in 1987, the frigate USS Stark was shot by an Iraqi Mirage aircraft. Yankees tell melancholy history about the perfidious attack and outraged by the perfidy of Saddam Hussein, who at that time was considered a friendly regime in opposition to Iranian religious fanatics. At the same time, somehow forgetting that we are talking about the newest warship 1984 built in, which came into the Tanker War zone is clearly not to admire the sea sunsets.

Yanki It was a minute since the discovery of the inclusion of the Mirage sighting radar - and about two minutes of missile flight time. At that moment, the frigate was in combat readiness No. XXUMX - all the systems of the ship were ready for battle, the crew was in combat positions. The crew immediately began preparations for repelling the attack, tried to use the SBROC jamming system, but did not have time ... Both missiles sank into the ship, destroying 3 sailors. Only complete calm and the lack of repetition of enemy attacks allowed the frigate to be rescued and towed to the nearest port in Bahrain.

As for the frigate “Samuel B. Roberts”, which had blown up on a mine, then several more mines were mined in the area of ​​its explosion. Marking clearly pointed to Iran. At that time, the Yankees did not wipe away and decided to carry out a retaliatory "retaliation action" - Operation Praying Mantis ("Mantis") became the largest combat operation of the US Navy after World War II. The entire day, the carrier-based strike group led by the nuclear Enterprise, bravely fought two Iranian frigates with a displacement of 1500 tons each (60 times less than the aircraft carrier Enterprise)!, Three boats and two oil platforms.

Not to say that the result was impressive: the Americans managed to sink one rocket boat and the frigate "Sahand", having thrown into the unfortunate pelvis three anti-ship missiles "Harpoon" and four 454-kg guided bombs. It was not possible to sink the second frigate: the damaged Sabalan crawled to its native shores. Iranian boats, in retaliation, fired from the grenade launchers of the American ship of integrated supply "Willie Tide", and at the same time a pair of neutral tankers - the British "York Marin" and the Panamanian "Scan Bay". US marines landed on two oil platforms and engaged in vandalism. The cruiser "Wainwright" tried to shoot at the Iranian "Phantom", but could not bring down the fighter. Toward evening, the AH-1 SiCobra crashed, both crew members died.



What about mines? Mines remained. According to the US Navy, at present, the Chinese fleet has about 80 000 sea mines. Iran has about 2-3 thousand units. All in all, in service with all countries of the world can be up to a quarter of a million deadly traps!

In 2012, the US Navy organized the largest exercises in the Persian Gulf. The 34 ships of the allied countries, including a squadron of American minesweepers from 8, learned to search for exposed minefields. 3000 seafarers, specialized radars, sonars, sweepers, and sweepers - for 11 days, the “best fleet” and its allies were able to detect only half of the planned 29 minefields in the clear water. The Americans themselves confirm the following: in the event of the start of real hostilities with a strong adversary, vast areas of the oceans may be impassable for the “best fleet”.

Captured "Pueblo", shot by "Stark", shot down by a civilian airliner, a strange incident with the reconnaissance "Liberty", undermined by "Samuel B. Roberts", "Princeton" and "Tripoli" ... And how can you not recall the incident in the Black Sea, when Soviet TFR "Selfless" pushed back the American cruiser "Yorktown" from the Soviet territorial waters, turning the left side and the entire stern part of the American together with the harpoon missile launcher. So much so that the commander of the "Yorktown" Philip Dur was removed from office for the passivity of his actions and the loss of initiative in conditions close to combat.



Such a “dark matter” is hidden behind a beautiful video about the “best fleet”. Despite all the brilliance and splendor of polished decks, the Yankees are very bad in a combat situation.

Some funny technical features of the US Navy and the incredible adventures of American sailors in the new millennium will be the topic for the next story.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 28 November 2013 07: 46
    18
    Well, what’s the matter, and Americans know a lot about advertising! so they will sign that you believe it willy-nilly! wassat although I have no doubt that they can write about us no less "revealing" article, because we do not know many unpleasant moments about our fleet, everyone loves to hide their "shoals".
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 28 November 2013 09: 51
      18
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      after all, we do not know many unpleasant moments about our fleet, everyone loves to hide their "shoals".

      Our "shoals" lie at the bottom, sad statistics of accidents, fires, explosions and a long list of dead sailors ... K-8, K-129, K-429, K-219, K-278 "Komsomolets", K-141 " Kursk "...
      1. Magellan
        Magellan 28 November 2013 10: 22
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        Quote: Nayhas
        Our "shoals" lie at the bottom, sad statistics of accidents, fires, explosions and a long list of dead sailors ... K-8, K-129, K-429, K-219, K-278 "Komsomolets", K-141 " Kursk "...

        In vain do you try, comrade, to squeeze a mean tear from us

        Thresher - killed with the entire crew, 129 people.

        "Scorpion" - died with the entire crew, 99 people.

        "Baton Rouge" - collision with the soviet titanium submarine "Kostroma", on return to the base was written off due to the hopelessness of repair

        SSBN "Nathaniel Green" - smashed on rocks in the Irish Sea, decommissioned upon return to base

        "Guitarro" - due to the slovenliness of the crew, sank at the pier of the Mare Island naval base, later raised (this is to the question of K-429)

        Multipurpose "Miami" - burned down in the dock as a result of deliberate arson (24-year-old painter Casey J. Fury was in a hurry for a date and decided to burn the ship so that its shift would end quickly.
        Quote: Nayhas
        And all together: "Gee-gee-gee! Mattress suckers, riveted useless piece of iron, also clumsy hands and cotton wool in my head!

        The painter received 17 years in federal prison. On August 6, 2013, the US Navy Command announced a decision not to restore the submarine nuclear submarine

        ....
        continue?

        USS Guitarro (SSN-655)
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 28 November 2013 10: 34
          +2
          Quote: Magellan
          continue?

          What for? Wik has full statistics on submarine accidents with a brief description. I just gave examples of the death of our nuclear submarines, not the accident, namely the death. The Americans lost only Thresher and Scorpio, the latter died in 1968. After 1968 the Americans did not lose a single submarine at sea. When did Komsomolets die? Kursk?
          1. Magellan
            Magellan 28 November 2013 13: 40
            +9
            Quote: Nayhas
            I just gave examples of the death of our nuclear submarines, not an accident

            And I gave you examples of death - N. Green, B. Rouge, Miami. They never went out to sea again.
            Quote: Nayhas
            After 1968 the Americans did not lose a single submarine at sea.

            A comparison would make sense if we had EQUAL military budgets. then it was possible to wonder how the crooked Soviet submariners crashed their boats

            But!!

            The Navy of the USSR was equipped with an ENTRY method. The United States Navy since 1974 - volunteer contract soldiers.
            The USSR knew that professionals were better than draftees. But he couldn’t afford it - Nem’s money

            This explains the somewhat greater accident rate of the Soviet fleet. Plus, the country's technical backwardness in a number of important sectors (denying this would be foolish). Bad quality control system. A high percentage of new technical solutions in designs. And the main reason is a smaller budget. Many times smaller.

            Sorry for the black humor, but in terms of financial losses there was "parity" - Rikover poured huge funds into the training of his boys and ensuring the safe operation of submarines. The USSR preferred to lose several nuclear-powered submarines, but at the same time spend less money on training and equipping the crews of the remaining 200 nuclear submarines.
            Quote: Nayhas
            When did Komsomolets die? Kursk?

            Foul play. Why did you remember Kursk - it is clear that the boat became the victim of a mess in the post-Soviet fleet. If the fragile American "Virginias" were in such a situation, they would not have been able to move away from the pier due to a total lack of funding
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 28 November 2013 14: 13
              -1
              Quote: Magellan
              And I gave you examples of death - N. Green, B. Rouge, Miami. They never went out to sea again.

              You do not see the difference between death at sea and an accident with subsequent write-off? if you think so, we are still "champions" ...
              K-429 died twice, first at sea, then raised, then sank at the pier.
              As a result of the accident, K-431 itself went to write-off and K-42 "Rostovsky Komsomolets" dragged it away, there was one accident, and two boats were written off.
              Quote: Magellan
              The United States Navy since 1974 - volunteer contract soldiers.
              The USSR knew that professionals were better than draftees. But he couldn’t afford it - Nem’s money

              It's not about money, we have wasted billions of dollars on Mengistu Haile Mariam alone, not to mention the "friendly" Communist Parties around the world and other "progressive leaders." So, if they wanted to, they could provide at least a submarine with extra conscripts.
              Quote: Magellan
              Foul play. Why did you remember Kursk - it is clear that the boat became the victim of a mess in the post-Soviet fleet. If the fragile American "Virginias" were in such a situation, they would not have been able to move away from the pier due to a total lack of funding

              Kursk victim of a mess? At what plan? She went to sea in disrepair?
              Oh well:
              K-429-1983
              K-219-1986
              K-278-1989
              Three submarines with a frequency of three years ...
              1. Magellan
                Magellan 28 November 2013 14: 39
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                Quote: Nayhas
                if you think so, we are still "champions" ...

                What kind of people are these! What kind of people!
                They live in Russia, write, speak Russian, but they experience some inexplicable masochistic pleasure, proving that everything was worse with us. Moreover, remaining deaf to the arguments of reason and building a theory under the inferiority of Russian unterman.
                Quote: Nayhas
                K-429 died twice, first at sea, then raised, then sank at the pier.

                The same can be said about the "deceased" Guitarro.
                Quote: Nayhas
                As a result of the accident, K-431 itself went to write-off and K-42 "Rostovsky Komsomolets" dragged it away, there was one accident, and two boats were written off.

                It happens. Direct TB violation - we did not have our own Hyman Rickover
                Quote: Nayhas
                so that if they wanted to provide at least a melt with super-conscripts they could.

                Could not. We spent billions on Mengistu Haile Mariam
                And on the restoration of the country after the Second World War
                Quote: Nayhas
                Kursk victim of a mess? At what plan?

                In direct.
                Quote: Nayhas
                K-429-1983

                The crew, which went to sea on a fatal day on June 26, 1983, on K-429, had not “kept the boat” before for almost a whole year. Instead of improving their skills on simulators, sailors were used for household work - they dug ditches. Although from the first days of the existence of the nuclear fleet in the USSR, there was an order of the commander-in-chief of the Navy and the Minister of Defense, which categorically prohibits the use of crews of nuclear-powered ships for household work. But - they dug ditches, and went to the collective farms for potatoes.
                There was another order of the commander in chief - forbidding the release of warships with unworked crews. If a crew came into the boat, in which more than 30 percent of the personnel turned out to be “seconded,” they should have worked at least a month, or even a half, and restored their skills. This was not done - the K-429 crew went to sea 12 hours (!) After they were brought together. The crew was not ready.
                Housework, potatoes, conscripts - all this is a consequence of the miserable behavior of the Soviet economy. Allocate funds as in the USA - we will go to the BS every day and arrange firing every two weeks.
                Quote: Nayhas
                K-219-1986

                Compare the cost of construction and those. perfect K-219 with some Madison armed with solid Poseidon C3 ...
                Quote: Nayhas
                K-278-1989

                Conscripts on a pilotless boat.
                Nobody in the world knew how to correctly manage such nuclear submarines and what difficulties are possible during operation. Plus a fire in the aft compartment
                Quote: Nayhas
                Three submarines with a frequency of three years ...

                the Yankees had three aircraft carriers burned down with a frequency of three years - 1966-69
                1. Nayhas
                  Nayhas 28 November 2013 21: 32
                  +6
                  Quote: Magellan
                  What kind of people are these! What kind of people!
                  They live in Russia, write, speak Russian, but they experience some inexplicable masochistic pleasure, proving that everything was worse with us. Moreover, remaining deaf to the arguments of reason and building a theory under the inferiority of Russian unterman.

                  I'm sorry that you saw signs of pleasure in my words. They were not there. I really hurt for those guys who were victims of someone's disorder, disregard and outright disrespect. I agree with the phrase that someone’s crime is behind the feat. USSR / Russia is a country of heroes. In the United States, the heroes are tight, because there are few reasons. Perhaps their attitude towards people is not sincere, but more afraid of lawsuits and multimillion-dollar payments, but this is better than the former submariners dying in poverty suffering from diseases caused by radiation ... So you write about K-429, they say the reason is the crew’s unavailability. No, this is not the reason, the reason is in those criminals who sent an unprepared crew to the sea.
              2. i.xxx-1971
                i.xxx-1971 28 November 2013 17: 30
                +4
                Who is the real loss champion will show only the fighting.
          2. RussianRu
            RussianRu 28 November 2013 13: 41
            +8
            I just gave examples of the death of our nuclear submarines, not of an accident, but of death. The Americans lost only Thresher and Scorpio, the latter died in 1968. After 1968. the Americans did not lose a single submarine at sea. When did Komsomolets die? Kursk?

            Yes, the sad fact of the death of our submarines. But, these tragedies are connected precisely with the accident inside the submarines, and with the external factor of damage to the ship. What about the Americans? He didn’t notice the mine, he beguiled with the enemy, fell off from the impudence of the attackers.
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 28 November 2013 13: 58
              0
              Quote: Russian
              What about the Americans? He didn’t notice the mine, he beguiled with the enemy, fell off from the impudence of the attackers.

              Did our fleet participate in conflicts and wars? The Swiss army can make fun of the US army, it did not lose a single soldier from friendly fire, and not a single enemy caught the Swiss soldier by surprise.
              1. i.xxx-1971
                i.xxx-1971 28 November 2013 17: 33
                0
                And the United States did not win a single war.
          3. i.xxx-1971
            i.xxx-1971 28 November 2013 17: 29
            +4
            In the United States there was no "perestroika" and "dashing nineties", the country did not crumble to pieces, and the officers, in order to go to sea, did not have to unscrew the bulbs at home in order to screw them onto the submarine.
      2. avt
        avt 28 November 2013 10: 29
        +5
        Quote: Nayhas
        Our "shoals" lie at the bottom, sad statistics of accidents, fires, explosions and a long list of dead sailors ... K-8, K-129, K-429, K-219, K-278 "Komsomolets", K-141 " Kursk "...

        Well, as it turns out from the article, there was no point in stressing us either, all Americans are stupid and will drown themselves. Well someday, maybe, or
        Quote: Heccrbq.3
        They were blown up by Arab raggers in leaky boats with bags of improvised explosives
        That is how it means to fight them, and not build Boreas with Ash. Well, what is there to be happy about ??? Oleg wrote the same advertising article for the commercial ?? Did you amuse some vanity?
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 28 November 2013 10: 35
          0
          Quote: avt
          To the fact that Oleg wrote the same advertising article ?? Amused some pride?

          I say, rehabilitated for aircraft carriers.
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      3. cdrt
        cdrt 28 November 2013 15: 23
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        Quote: Nayhas
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        after all, we do not know many unpleasant moments about our fleet, everyone loves to hide their "shoals".

        Our "shoals" lie at the bottom, sad statistics of accidents, fires, explosions and a long list of dead sailors ... K-8, K-129, K-429, K-219, K-278 "Komsomolets", K-141 " Kursk "...


        Funny, stupid, shameful episodes are in the history of any large army and navy.

        Ours, for example (although it can now be called large - an open question) also has many similar episodes, self-flooding in the Crimean heroism certainly is not (assessment does not cancel the expediency of the act itself).

        But ... the US Navy defeated the imperial fleet, defeating the Russian.
        And who and when was the last time the fleet of the Russian Federation / USSR / RI defeated?
        Well, Georgia was in 2008, before that, probably only the campaign at the World Cup in WWI was for real, and before that, Sinop.

        You can ridicule, make fun of the US Navy, but it has for today (and taking into account the shipbuilding programs known today and for the next 20 years) absolute dominance at sea:
        those. he is able to ensure American use of the sea routes, if possible, to prohibit the use of these routes by military means to any other country in the world.
        That's it, period.

        The rest is like gossip and washing of bones by grandmothers at the entrance of a 40-year-old neighbor who remarried a successful man laughing
        1. Evgeny_Lev
          Evgeny_Lev 28 November 2013 15: 39
          +3
          Reading the arguments of some commentators that they should not pay attention to such flaws, because the US fleet is so actively fighting that it is not correct for him to oppose the USSR / RF fleet, because we say that they are not so active and therefore there are no such state of emergency.

          Comrades, an attack is a means of survival for the USA is their choice of existence, and therefore, it is completely incomprehensible, with such deliberate (?) Behavior, how do such children's PPCs appear?
          What is this, the mismatch between the capabilities, the functional necessity that the state leaders entrusted to the fleet or similar incidents is nothing more than evil rock, which is called the Fselen law, which states that any fleet of any state that has grown to such a size as the US fleet DOOMED to occur the same situations.
          1. sub307
            sub307 28 November 2013 18: 51
            +1
            Well yes. Our "supreme", most likely in the 90s in relation to their own Navy decided to use the "formula": "no fleet - no problems" and sent it "on pins and needles".
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 28 November 2013 11: 14
      +4
      No words, Bravo! The author colorfully and with humor described everything. All these events aroused in me a homeric roar. laughing

      in a recent article, I put forward a theory of how to deal with aug ground troops, now I realized that I completely forgot about mines. Yes, indeed, 80000 thousand in China is serious.

      PySy. read an article Americans suspect Russia. that she, under the guise of ballistic missiles, produces medium-range missiles, 500-5500 miles, so they will hit the Ajis on the way, as I thought. smile
    3. timer
      timer 28 November 2013 23: 42
      0
      I do not believe this advertising chatter. I believe that their hope for electronics will destroy the American army (they say she will do everything for us). This can be seen from their funding of the electronic components for the fleet. Yes, and they are worthless warriors! The contract army against the professional conscription will die . 100% sure.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 29 November 2013 11: 27
        +3
        Quote: timer
        Yes, and they are worthless warriors!


        Yes Yes.
        It was already - "Americans are weak, corrupted and bad soldiers" (c) Adolf Hitler
        And the Japanese believed that Americans were useless sailors and pilots.

        After Father Midway, the Japanese really calmed down similar songs, and in 1943-44 in Germany.
    4. Rapira111
      Rapira111 29 November 2013 01: 41
      0
      Totally agree with you.
    5. Zhenya1991
      Zhenya1991 5 September 2014 13: 56
      0
      I agree, and not even like kosyaki, but even the fact that the only diesel engine on the shaft carrier doesn’t even have airplanes, so everyone knows how much you need from 40-50 airplanes that he can
      can carry only 14 or 20 pieces on it who is funny
    6. Zhenya1991
      Zhenya1991 5 September 2014 13: 56
      0
      I agree, and not even like kosyaki, but even the fact that the only diesel engine on the shaft carrier doesn’t even have airplanes, so everyone knows how much you need from 40-50 airplanes that he can
      can carry only 14 or 20 pieces on it who is funny
  2. ben gun
    ben gun 28 November 2013 08: 10
    0
    Good selection, thanks Oleg!
    I remember and liked the comment to one of the articles on the US Navy - "A real ship should be made by someone who does not know how to make beautiful presentations." laughing
  3. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 28 November 2013 08: 32
    +1
    Ah yes Kaptsov, oh yes son of a bitch !!! Great article, respect to the author!
  4. svskor80
    svskor80 28 November 2013 09: 04
    +2
    It has long been noted, from the Great to the Ridiculous one step. You can only add to the infamous.
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 28 November 2013 09: 06
    0
    I haven’t smiled so wide for a long time! laughing
  6. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 28 November 2013 09: 28
    +6
    the article is good, but still we don’t need to relax, because the experience of the Second World shows
    that Americans can stupidly crush the number of ships (while their ideological machine
    works for all 1000 percent, managing to make a victory out of defeat)
    1. knn54
      knn54 28 November 2013 13: 22
      -1
      -Kostyanich: we do not need to relax ...
      Russian submarine fleet: 13 nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles, 8 nuclear submarines with cruise missiles and 19 multi-purpose nuclear submarines. Only 68 submarines. Atomic Boreas, Atomic Ash trees, Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines and Project 677 diesel-electric submarines are under construction. The USA has 42 obsolete Los Angeles type submarines (built in 1976-1996). Replacements for these submarines until 2020 are not expected. And by 2020, 22 of them will remain in service. 14 obsolete submarines of the Ohio type (built 1984-1997). They are not building replacements either, and there are no plans to create new Ohio. By 2020, no more than 10 pieces will remain in service. 10/11 Virginia, 3 Sivulf submarines built in 1997-2004 and 4 Ohio submarines built in 2004-2007. Only ~ 48 pcs. NO Virginia submarine has a displacement of 7800 tons. Ashen's displacement is 13800 tons. Borea has 24000 tons.
      The surface fleet of Russia -210 ships (built 1981-2011), including: aircraft carriers - 1, heavy nuclear missile cruisers - 3, missile cruisers - 3, large anti-submarine ships - 10, destroyers - 8, corvettes - 3, guard ships - 7. At the same time, according to the rearmament program 2020, the Russian Navy will receive another 54 new warships.
      The US Navy -284 ships, including: 3 aircraft carriers built in 1975-1982, 7 aircraft carriers built in 1986-2009, 22 cruisers Ticonderoga built in 1986-1994 (they are withdrawn from the fleet and no replacement is planned), 19 missile frigates Oliver Perry built in 1983-1989 (withdrawn from the fleet and no replacement planned). And 62 destroyer Arly Burke 1991-2012 built. By 2020 the United States may have: 9-10 aircraft carriers, about 55-60 destroyers Arly Burke and three destroyers of the Zamvolt type. These URO multi-purpose destroyers are designed to ensure the dominance of the fleet in COASTAL waters, defeat ground targets and fire support.
      The US Navy is at the peak of development today. Further, judging by the plans, only a decline. Given the public debt of 17 trillion. dollars of money for the development of the fleet (underwater for sure), most likely, will not be. At the request of the presidential administration, the Pentagon is obliged ONLY to reduce costs for the next ten years.
      True, do not forget about the dynamically developing fleets of the Republic of Kazakhstan and Japan ...
      1. Delta
        Delta 28 November 2013 13: 45
        +7
        Quote: knn54
        BUT Virginia submarine has a displacement of 7800 tons. Ashen's displacement is 13800 tons.


        "serious" analysis. Do you judge the combat capabilities of ships by their displacement? belay

        By the way, when you write that "Ohio" and "Losi" are outdated, for some reason do not write the same about our strategists and nuclear submarines with cruise missiles. Are they new? is it unwillingness to see reality or double standards?
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 29 November 2013 11: 28
      +2
      Quote: kostyanich
      the article is good, but still we don’t need to relax, because the experience of the Second World shows
      that Americans can stupidly crush the number of ships (while their ideological machine
      works for all 1000 percent, managing to make a victory out of defeat)


      The turning point in WWII on the theater of operations is sort of like Father Midway, where there was no talk of any crushing ... It seems like actually a battle of equal strength
      1. Santa Fe
        29 November 2013 12: 01
        +1
        Quote: cdrt
        It seems like actually a battle of equal strength

        Americans hacked the Japanese naval code JN-25 and knew everything about the enemy’s plans

        After evaluating Yamamoto's talent, it was decided to personally eliminate the admiral - the task was completed by 14 P-38 "killers" who flew 700 km in complete radio silence and shot down Yamamoto's plane over the Solomon Islands
  7. Nayhas
    Nayhas 28 November 2013 09: 32
    +7
    And all together: "Gee-gee-gee! Mattress suckers, riveted useless piece of iron, also clumsy hands and cotton wool in the head! Some show-off and cuts!"
    Oleg, rehabilitation for aircraft carriers?
  8. Heccrbq.3
    Heccrbq.3 28 November 2013 09: 33
    +1
    They were blown up by Arab ragged people on holey boats with bags of improvised explosives ------------- Bravo author !!! laughing laughing laughing
  9. Wedmak
    Wedmak 28 November 2013 09: 38
    +4
    New folk fun in Russia - mocking the Americans. smile And most importantly, there are reasons ... The Yankees are used to fighting the enemy, which is an order of magnitude inferior to them in terms of the power of weapons. They just forgot one thoughtful thought - "Do not underestimate the enemy." Otherwise, it may also happen that a dozen mosquito missile boats will lay half of the AUG on the bottom.
  10. lotar
    lotar 28 November 2013 10: 20
    +6
    In the history of every country, including ours, there are a lot of stupid and shameful mistakes. In my opinion, the main thing is to learn from such mistakes, and preferably from examples of other countries. Well, the fact that we don’t know much, sometimes benefits, because sometimes such information can undermine a person’s moral and physical strength.
  11. Stiletto
    Stiletto 28 November 2013 10: 23
    +1
    Wow! Who painted so many red ones for us in the morning ?! American sailors? laughing
    1. Walking
      Walking 28 November 2013 16: 40
      +1
      There are some here, they are only called Russians.
      1. Walking
        Walking 29 November 2013 15: 31
        0
        Minus, then the truth hurts your eyes?
  12. barbiturate
    barbiturate 28 November 2013 10: 23
    15
    Everything is known in comparison, let the author give an example of the more successful actions of another fleet, compare accident rate and at least the declared capabilities of the fleets (to hell with the real ones), see how people are trained, how much they spend, how much they swim and participate in training firing, how much and which fleet He fought the most in the 20th and early 21st centuries, etc. The list of accidents and incidents of the large ocean fleet, which is always present in the hottest spots on the planet, will be long.
    The most annoying thing is that if any American man interested in the fleet writes an article about our fleet, then the bastards will break short and be right in many ways.
    Everything is known in comparison, why some do not want to compare?) Well, yes, the consolation that a neighbor is even more stupid is always easier, what remains
    1. Magellan
      Magellan 28 November 2013 10: 33
      +1
      Quote: barbiturate
      an American man interested in the fleet will write an article about our fleet, then the bastards will break

      We have that annual budget of 155 billion?

      The budget of the Navy under the State order until 2020 is 4,5 trillion. rubles for 10 years ($ 150 billion)
      1. barbiturate
        barbiturate 28 November 2013 14: 25
        +3
        and where does the annual budget?)) What do you confuse hot with red? Firstly, the amers and the fleet are not like ours in size, but the salary and security corresponding to this budget are different, and secondly, how to assess the mental abilities of people who build the fleet beyond their means? and driven into ships for a billion bucks conscripts with 3 classes of church parish school? Whose problems are these? If you have a small budget and the country is not happy with the economy, then do not build an ocean fleet and that's it
        1. ssss157
          ssss157 28 November 2013 17: 12
          +1
          Unfortunately, not everything is so simple.

          We are obliged to build an ocean-going fleet. If we do not do this and do not demonstrate to the whole world that we are capable of coming to the "aggressor" (note I am writing in quotes) and give him back on his territory. I am afraid in this case there may be a lot of people who want to test our aircraft for strength. Or even those who want to bite off a piece of another territory from our country. Or even worse, wipe our country off the map of the world.

          In addition, do not forget we are not only a continental but also an oceanic country, our country is washed directly by 2 oceans

          So an ocean fleet is needed. Let not awe and awe. But inspiring at least respect.
  13. Nayhas
    Nayhas 28 November 2013 10: 28
    13
    Any statistics on incidents greatly depends on the number of ships and their number of trips to the sea, the tension in use and the conditions in which they were used. The best statistics for a fleet consisting of one ship that does not go to sea at all. USA has the LARGEST naval fleet in the world that does not rust at berths. They should purely statistically have a bunch of incidents, especially since he participated in many wars, the 2MB field, Korea, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf. However, all that Oleg cited as an example several incidents over 60 years. According to them, he concludes that the fleet is useless. Hi there. Did the fleet fulfill its mission? Fulfilled. And where then to draw a conclusion about his worthlessness?
    PS: Honestly, I didn't understand why it was necessary to give an example of the capture of Pueblo and friendly fire from Liberty? On the first case, the commander of Pueblo was tried by a tribunal and many jambs were opened in preparation for the operation, in the second case it is not clear how the sailors from Liberty could respond to the attack of the Israeli aircraft? A characteristic trait of Americans to learn from mistakes, "rake dancing" is not their strong point. Shot down Iranian airbus-improved Aegis. Almost lost Stark, got rid of Perry's frigates. Damaged in 1991. on mines, ships have created uninhabited underwater mine vehicles. After the attack on Cole, they created shipborne UAVs and remotely controlled boats to control the near zone.
    1. Magellan
      Magellan 28 November 2013 10: 43
      +4
      Quote: Nayhas
      Did the fleet fulfill its mission? Performed

      No, I didn’t

      Downed airliner
      The ship was captured along with the entire set of classified equipment
      Beaten Frigate
      Disrupted landing on the coast of Kuwait
      Mediocre Operation Praying Mantis
      Disgraced Yorktown - Giving the Initiative to the Enemy in Near-Combat Conditions
      Complete inability to counter the mine threat
      Quote: Nayhas
      in the second case, it is not clear how the sailors from Liberty could respond to the attack of Israeli aircraft?

      late planes with uss america
      Quote: Nayhas
      On the first occasion, the commander of Pueblo was tried by the tribunal and many schools were opened in preparation for the operation

      Well, who is to blame for this?
      Quote: Nayhas
      They should purely statistically have a bunch of incidents, especially since he participated in many wars 2MV field, Korea, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf

      None of the Soviet ships were lost in the Persian Gulf
      Worked on mine clearance of Sway and Chittagong Bay - without a single loss

      1. barbiturate
        barbiturate 28 November 2013 14: 34
        -1
        Quote: Magellan
        Shot down an airliner Hijacked a ship with all the secret equipment Hijacked a frigate Disrupted the landing on the coast of Kuwait Mediocre Operation Praying Mantis Disgraced Yorktown - giving the enemy initiative in conditions close to combat Complete inability to withstand a mine threat


        we have a lot of failed operations and downed airliners) and every fleet has a lot of mistakes, which floats, but does not stand in its ports for fun and rust.

        Quote: Magellan
        late planes with uss america

        Yes late, after a difficult transition, the aircraft carrier needed a half! hours, what a blatant sky readiness)) posuboscalim)) but only if you compare with whom ...

        Quote: Magellan
        Well, who is to blame for this?

        and who is to blame for the fact that the Americans have a budget of 155 billion and the fleet is huge?)) You recently brought the budget here as a justification for the accident, this question is from the same series)

        Quote: Magellan
        None of the Soviet ships were lost in the Persian Gulf Worked on the clearance of Sway and Chittagong Bay - without a single loss


        Well done !, just a question, but how many ships did the Americans lose in the Persian Gulf?
        and who prevented Soviet specialists from conducting mine clearance work? those. work was carried out in peacetime and probably also with maps of minefields on hand, some allies set, other allies cleared)
        1. Magellan
          Magellan 28 November 2013 15: 10
          +2
          Quote: barbiturate
          failed operations and downed airliners and we have a lot)

          At the Navy of the USSR? Well, share your knowledge
          Quote: barbiturate
          Yes late, after a difficult transition, the aircraft carrier needed a half! hours, what a blatant sky readiness))

          Check this out. 10 billion super ship at today's prices - and smooth bribes

          90 aircraft, four catapults, take-off pace of 30 seconds each, super-training. But in reality, an hour and a half was not enough for the couple to take off
          Quote: barbiturate
          and who is to blame for the fact that the Americans have a budget of 155 billion and the fleet is huge?)) You recently brought the budget here as a justification for the accident, this question is from the same series)

          I, by the way, do not misuse the barbiturates, because I did not understand your strange logic.
          Quote: barbiturate
          just a question, how many ships did the Americans lose in the Persian Gulf?

          One - anti-ship missiles, three from mine explosions.
          Quote: barbiturate
          and who prevented Soviet specialists from conducting mine clearance work?

          small budget. From the aircraft there was only the cruiser "Leningrad" and 2 minesweepers Mi-8, which did not fit in the hangar
      2. i.xxx-1971
        i.xxx-1971 28 November 2013 17: 38
        +1
        The AUG of the US Navy is defenseless against the DPL, which was shown by exercises involving a rented Swedish boat of German construction.
      3. Nayhas
        Nayhas 28 November 2013 22: 03
        +1
        Quote: Magellan
        No, I didn’t

        Downed airliner

        The cruiser Vincenes completed all the tasks of patrolling, the fact that he made a criminal mistake does not mean that the task was not completed.
        Quote: Magellan
        The ship was captured along with the entire set of classified equipment

        Well, there is no doubt about it. To send a reconnaissance ship disguised as a civilian vessel and not provide means for the destruction of classified documents and equipment is rather frivolous.
        Quote: Magellan
        Beaten Frigate

        Stark was one of a group patrolling the coast of Saudi Arabia, his loss did not particularly affect the execution of the task.
        The most interesting thing is that the Iraqi pilot confused Stark with the Iranian tanker.
        Quote: Magellan
        Disrupted landing on the coast of Kuwait

        No landing was planned, it was a distracting operation that forced the Iraqi command to concentrate the best units in Kuwait, the strike was delivered through Saudi Arabia.
        Quote: Magellan
        Mediocre Operation Praying Mantis

        What is mediocrity? All tasks were completed without combat losses (the AN-1 accident was not a combat one), Iran got it in the teeth and stopped the "tanker war."
        Quote: Magellan
        Disgraced Yorktown - Giving the Initiative to the Enemy in Near-Combat Conditions

        What a shame? Was it damaged? The situation was simple, some perls hiding behind the right of a peaceful passage, others pushed out of their ter. water The fact that ours did right is beyond any doubt, the Americans, having received damage, hid their horns and left home. Ours defended their right, but what is shameful that the Americans lost? They were on our territory and they had no other choice.
        Quote: Magellan
        None of the Soviet ships were lost in the Persian Gulf
        Worked on mine clearance of Sway and Chittagong Bay - without a single loss

        When clearing the Suez Canal on a bottom mine, our minesweeper MT-66 Project 254K was blown up. Mine clearance is generally a very dangerous operation, especially when it comes not to anchor, but to non-contact bottom mines.
        1. Santa Fe
          28 November 2013 23: 34
          +1
          Quote: Nayhas
          When clearing the Suez Canal on a bottom mine, our minesweeper MT-66 Ave. 254K was blown up.

          Everything is fine

          On September 13, in the area No. 3 in 12.52, a minesweeper MT-66 was blown up on a bottom mine under the command of 3 captain V. Sviridov, who carried out contact trawling as part of the minesweeper. The lead ship was then the MT "Sakhalin Komsomolets", on which he held the flag of the squad leader. He passed through a non-contact mine, then a second ship, and a third was blown up. Having received more than twenty holes without control (diesel generators were out of order) and lighting, the ship began to sink. The water entering the compartments caused a big roll. The commander did not leave the bridge. Each crew member went about his business, although many were injured and bruised. The foreman of the engine team midshipman Ivan Kuzmich Efimov directly led the struggle for survivability in the engine room. The commander of the steering department of the foreman of the 1-th article, Vasily Shenogin, switched to emergency control when water was already walking in the steering compartment. With the restoration of fresh water systems, the personnel of the warhead-5 captain-lieutenant V. Simonov managed to supply power to the switchboard. It was a great success. There was an opportunity to equip portable fire pumps. But they could not rectify the situation. After six holes, water displaced fuel from the tank. Having tied up with a safety end, a batch engine driver, an 2 foreman, Yury Mironov, descended into the tank, he was insured by Sergei Kostyuchenko, who was with him in the compartment. In the pitch darkness, he found holes to the touch and drowned them with wooden corks. Soon they were joined by the commander of the warhead 5 captain-lieutenant V. Simonov, the foreman of the 1 article P. Rylsky and the sailor B. Badalov. From this moment, a turning point came in the struggle to save the ship. Two other minesweepers urgently chopped off the trawls and approached the side of the wreck, although they had to approach the untracked lane. After leveling the ship, the ship was towed to the port of Hurghada. There, the sailors of the ship for 10 days with the help of the PM-156 floating workshop restored the combat readiness of the ship and again began trawling.

          Basic minesweepers pr. 264K. Introduced into service in 1948. B / and 569 tons. Comparing him with some "Roberts" or "Tripoli" is absurd. Moreover, he was able to quickly return to duty and continue to fulfill the task
          1. chehywed
            chehywed 29 November 2013 00: 26
            +4
            SWEET_SIXTEENWhere did you get this description of damage control? In the Steel Udder newspaper? After all, this is the delirium of a madman.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            With the restoration of fresh water systems, the personnel of the warhead-5 captain-lieutenant V. Simonov managed to supply power to the switchboard

            Fresh water and main switchgear ... your house also does not light when the water is turned off?
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            The opportunity to arm portable firefighters pumps. But they could not rectify the situation. After six holes water displaced fuel from the tank

            Maybe the same drainage pumps? The so-called "piglets"?
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Through six holes water crowded out tank fuel

            Where? The density of sea water is higher than the density of fuel.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            In the pitch darkness he found holes to the touch and drowned them with wooden corks

            Judging by the scheme, tanks for liquid cargo are bottom. Even without taking into account the fact that in order to get into them you need to give the neck of the tank (20 nuts), you should also dive into it (and after all, water will begin to displace fuel through the open neck in the MCO) and pitch darkness FIND and DETERMINE the diameter of the holes in the fuel-water medium and drown them out alone overcoming the water pressure from the side !!!
            Here's a link for you, which shows the speed and amount of incoming water, depending on the area and depth of the hole: http://flot.com/publications/books/shelf/specialcases/93.htm?print=Y hi
        2. Santa Fe
          29 November 2013 19: 38
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          Cruiser Vincenes completed all patrol tasks

          And what was the "patrol task"?
          The Iranians both fired at tankers - and continued to shell them and lay mines in neutral waters.
          Quote: Nayhas
          . To send a reconnaissance ship disguised as a civilian vessel and not provide means for the destruction of classified documents and equipment is rather frivolous.

          And didn’t guess to flood it?
          And where were the attack aircraft from the Enterprise?
          Quote: Nayhas
          Stark was one of a group patrolling the coast of Saudi Arabia, his loss did not particularly affect the execution of the task.

          Correctly. Neither the presence nor the loss of Stark had any effect on the course of the Tanker War
          Quote: Nayhas
          Iran got it in the teeth and stopped the "tanker war."

          Yes laaaadno)))
          Operation Mantis - April 18 1988
          Do not tell me when the Iranian Airbus was shot down? 3 July 1988 years!
          The Iranians both fired at tankers and ships of the US Navy - and continued to shell them. Before the armistice of 20 on August 1988
          Quote: Nayhas
          What is the mediocrity? All tasks completed without combat loss.

          The answer in the previous paragraph
          Quote: Nayhas
          What a shame?

          The fact that he was in a known disadvantage.
          1. postman
            postman 30 November 2013 02: 38
            0
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Yes laaaadno)))

            G_E_N_O_S_S_E Kaptsov:
            1. Clean your Topwar mailbox:
            Information
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            2.check your real mailbox
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  14. terminator_163
    terminator_163 28 November 2013 10: 53
    0
    Quote: Wedmak
    . And then it may happen that a dozen mosquito missile boats put half the AUG to the bottom.

    At the time, even Peter I proved that large ships can be defeated by small ones. The first naval battle during the Northern War is an example of this. Swedish large frigates were defeated by small Russian galleys.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 28 November 2013 11: 25
      +5
      Fortunately for Peter 1, at that time there were no fast-firing machine guns and precise guns on Swedish ships. Otherwise, our galleys would lie at the bottom ... Each time has its own war.
      1. i.xxx-1971
        i.xxx-1971 28 November 2013 17: 39
        +4
        If grandmother had ..., then she would be a grandfather.
      2. Rider
        Rider 28 November 2013 18: 30
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        Fortunately for Peter 1

        eeett tooooo.

        and if Charles XII had aircraft carriers and T-80s, then the WHOLE world would be under it.
        Quote: Wedmak
        Every time has its own wars.

        so what the hell are you spinning machine guns here?
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 29 November 2013 11: 58
      +1
      [quote = terminator_163] [quote = Wedmak]. And then it may happen that a dozen mosquito missile boats put half the AUG to the bottom. [/ Quote]

      Peter proved that this is possible in skerries, under the shore.
      No more and no less.
      In other words, in the presence of skerries and a large number of islands, your own shore can be protected in some form by a mosquito fleet.
  15. Andrey78
    Andrey78 28 November 2013 12: 18
    +6
    Actually recorded conversation between Spaniards and Americans on the frequency of "Extreme situations at sea" of the navigation channel 106 in the Strait of Finisterra (Galicia). 16 October 1997

    Spaniards: (background noise) ... says A-853, please turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision with us. You are moving directly at us, a distance of 25 nautical miles.

    Americans: (background noise) ... we advise you to turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision with us.

    Spaniards: The answer is no. Repeat, turn 15 degrees south into
    collision avoidance.

    Americans (other voice): The captain of the ship of the United States of America speaks to you. Turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision.

    Spaniards: We do not consider your proposal either possible or adequate; we advise you to turn south by 15 degrees so as not to crash into us.

    Americans (in elevated tones): CAPTAIN RICHARD JAMES HOWARD SAYS WITH YOU, COMMANDER OF THE USS LINCOLN AIRCRAFT, Navy OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SECOND LARGE OF THE SHIP. We are escorted by 2 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 4 submarines and numerous support ships. I DO NOT "ADVISE" YOU, I "ORDER" TO CHANGE YOUR COURSE FOR 15 DEGREES IN THE NORTH. OTHERWISE, WE WILL BE FORCED TO TAKE THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR SHIP. PLEASE IMMEDIATELY REMOVE OUR COURSE !!!!

    Spaniards :: This is Juan Manuel Salas Alcantara speaking to you. We are 2 people. We are accompanied by our dog, dinner, 2 bottles of beer and a canary who is now asleep. We are supported by the radio station "Cadena Dial de La Coruna" and channel 106 "Extreme situations at sea". We are not going to turn anywhere, given that we are on land and are the A-853 lighthouse of the Finisterre strait on the Galician coast of Spain. We have not the slightest idea what place we occupy in size among the Spanish lighthouses. You can take whatever fucking steps you think are necessary and do whatever you want to ensure the safety of your fucking ship, which will crash to smithereens on the rocks. Therefore, once again we strongly recommend that you
    do the most meaningful thing: change your course to 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.

    Americans: Ok, accepted, thanks.

    M, Zadornov
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 28 November 2013 12: 21
      +1
      Quote: Andrey78
      M, Zadornov

      Do you really believe in this crap? Zadornov is another source. Earlier similar negotiations were written with the Newfoundland lighthouse.
  16. USNik
    USNik 28 November 2013 12: 41
    +8
    It is strange that in this article there is no last joke with the USS Chancellorsville Aegis cruiser, conditionally sunk by a subsonic target. In the photo, the consequences of a collision between a cruiser and a rocket, plus high-tech and heavy-duty patch material laughing
  17. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 28 November 2013 12: 48
    +5
    Interesting, sad / funny, after all, people died.
    BUT!
    Laughing, do not belittle the power and capabilities of their fleet.
  18. Delta
    Delta 28 November 2013 12: 54
    11
    Well, many now feel relieved - NOW DO NOT NEED TO BUILD ANY FLEET AT ALL. Lance corporal Svyatkin (Kaptsov) shot all the tanks (s) x / f "Aty-bats, soldiers were marching."

    Oleg, with your desire to please the kindergarten patriots, you only harm them. And you forget, by the way, to say that you have given data on losses, errors and failures of the fleet that is at war. Have you forgotten about the losses, mistakes and failures of your fleet, which has not fought for a long time? By the way, where does the information about the awarding of the crew of the cruiser "Vincennes" come from ?? and it was for this incident. EMNIP only the cruiser commander was awarded for successful service OVER THE PERIOD.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 01
      0
      Quote: Delta
      Oleg, your desire to please the kindergarten patriots, you only harm them.


      It does not, their intelligence of an 8-year-old child will not take anything more serious anyway.

      You just need to subscribe now under the articles - Oleg Kaptsov, children's writer-marine painter laughing
  19. reality
    reality 28 November 2013 13: 55
    +8
    I also do not understand the series of these "Zadornovskih" articles about how stupid and funny Americans are. So like to underestimate the enemy? Are we going to step on our favorite rake again?
    They set goals and achieve them in the most convenient way for themselves. Their loss is their business - they can afford it.
    And stop saying that they are fools - the marginals are the same everywhere, and judging by them about all the people, this is an initial negligence on our part.
    1. ssss157
      ssss157 28 November 2013 17: 52
      +4
      Let me explain about the Zadornov articles.

      These stories / concerts appeared long ago when we blindly rushed at everything American, whether it was good or bad, when most of our citizens thought that everything that was being done over the hill was a light of heaven and we should pray for them.

      That's when a series of concerts “what are they all stupid” appeared so that through laughter at least somehow make people think: “Maybe not everything that Americans do WELL”

      But why, now, some comrades, these old Zadornovskie stories and jokes are presented as historical facts, I unfortunately can not answer.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 28 November 2013 22: 08
        0
        Quote: ssss157
        But why, now, some comrades, these old Zadornovskie stories and jokes are presented as historical facts, I unfortunately can not answer.

        Because he presents them as truth. He does not say that there is such a bike in which the Newfoundland and North Carolina lighthouse, the aircraft carrier, the Missouri battleship appeared, that this joke with a huge beard should not be taken seriously, because "What do you understand in naval humor ?! Mazutyyyy ... "
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 05
        0
        Quote: ssss157
        Let me explain about the Zadornov articles.

        These stories / concerts appeared long ago when we blindly rushed at everything American, whether it was good or bad, when most of our citizens thought that everything that was being done over the hill was a light of heaven and we should pray for them.

        That's when a series of concerts “what are they all stupid” appeared so that through laughter at least somehow make people think: “Maybe not everything that Americans do WELL”

        But why, now, some comrades, these old Zadornovskie stories and jokes are presented as historical facts, I unfortunately can not answer.


        The funny thing about Zadornov's tales about "stupid" Americans is that he could still read them for emigrants from the USSR / Russia to the USA.

        Given that the professional wave of emigration - this is the 2000s, and he read in the 1990s - it was such an indulgence to the needs of people to whom Americans rightly treated as people of the 2nd grade.
        And judging by the Fervent tantrums, the ban on him from entering the United States has robbed him of his incomes. laughing

        So ... in our conditions, it would most likely be like Uzbek humor at concerts in Russia for Uzbeks about stupid Russians laughing
        Something like this
  20. Russ69
    Russ69 28 November 2013 13: 59
    +5
    It's kind of silly to talk about a fleet solely from the standpoint of failures or victories. Any fleet, especially as large as the USA and the USSR, has its victories and misses ... And not only the fleet ....
  21. Bradley
    Bradley 28 November 2013 14: 17
    +5
    The author of the article tries to omit NAVY ... Why? Dont clear. Yes, there are excellent commercials, but there are accidents and losses. But everyone has it all! And the American Navy is the largest fleet in the world. And the author is trying to prove that these are all "show-off", "candy wrappers".
    Today, NAVY cannot compete on equal terms with any fleet in the world! The American fleet is the most powerful fleet in the world. And it's silly to argue with that.
    1. Magellan
      Magellan 28 November 2013 14: 58
      +3
      Quote: Bradley
      Yes there are accidents, yes there were losses. But everyone has it all!

      "Everyone" has victories in addition to accidents. During all the years of the Cold War, the surface component of NAVY did not have any victories (except for the Libyan boats and the Iranian Sahand - this is at the cost of the efforts spent on eliminating them!)
      Quote: Bradley
      And the American fleet is the largest fleet in the world.

      Simply put: the US Navy is redundant. In its current form, it does more damage to the US itself than to its geopolitical opponents
      Quote: Bradley
      The American fleet is the most powerful fleet in the world.

      In terms of technical excellence, the good old Royal Navy jumped his head. By offensive and defensive power - China is breathing in the back of the head.
      1. barbiturate
        barbiturate 28 November 2013 15: 20
        +5
        Quote: Magellan
        "Everyone" has victories in addition to accidents. During all the years of the Cold War, the surface component of NAVY did not have any victories (except for the Libyan boats and the Iranian Sahand - this is at the cost of the efforts spent on eliminating them!)


        What great victories do you need? with whom did the American navy seriously fight after 1945? he had the task of supporting US hegemony throughout the world and exerting pressure; he coped with this task. The army is generally a loss-making business for the state, but what to do in our troubled world.

        Quote: Magellan
        Simply put: the US Navy is redundant. In its current form, it does more damage to the US itself than to its geopolitical opponents


        Well, poor Americans, without us, we won’t come up with such an idea) now there are free one and a half hundred billion dollars, where to spend this year? And let's go to the fleet? Duck, after all, there is an excess of so many ships, in other words, stupid! no, we’ll be fools, because there’s nowhere else to attach a grandmother))


        Quote: Magellan
        In terms of technical excellence, the good old Royal Navy jumped his head. By offensive and defensive power - China is breathing in the back of the head.

        Royal Navy surpassed the amers?) What's this? Where did the Americans concede to the Angles in advertising their ships?)) Well, and "breathing in the back of the head" China, let it tear off at least one SSBN from the bases and send it on patrol, and in general it is not yet an ocean fleet, the Chinese are just learning and now they far from being rivals to amers at sea, although they learn quickly, and lagging is a great incentive
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 11
        0
        Quote: Magellan
        In terms of technical excellence, the good old Royal Navy jumped his head. By offensive and defensive power - China is breathing in the back of the head.


        Can you reveal more?

        Well, about RN it’s probably understandable - in RN there are already as many as 6 in my opinion Daring.
        Although, against the background of the number of American Berks and Ticonderoges, they look like an experimental batch.
        What is the quantity and strength of the main strike / multipurpose ships - SSBN, PLA, AB? What about the amphibious perfection of RN?

        Of particular interest is the offensive and defensive power of the Chinese fleet, which breathes USN into the back of the head - please share
        1. Santa Fe
          29 November 2013 12: 55
          -1
          Quote: cdrt
          Although, against the background of the number of American Berks and Ticonderoges, they look like an experimental batch.

          What's the difference. We are talking about technological excellence. Raptors are also just 180, but this does not negate the fact that this is the most modern and high-tech fighter in the world
          Quote: cdrt
          SSBN, PLA, AB?

          multipurpose Estuites - the most modern boats in the world
          Quote: cdrt
          What about the amphibious perfection of RN?

          FRG
          Quote: cdrt
          Of particular interest is the offensive and defensive power of the Chinese fleet

          the PLA Navy consists of 24 destroyers and 45 frigates, including such "stars" as:
          - four Russian pr. 956E
          - a pair of 051С Liuzhou (equipped with C-300FM complexes)
          - two 052B and six 052С (equipped with the Chinese analog C-300)
          - 051 in Luhai (16 anti-ship missiles + copy C-300)
          - eight 052D under construction - copies of the Berks, but with a radar with active HEADLIGHTS

          Frigates are surprised, especially the 054 stealth ships (15 pieces in service, 5 are under construction) - 32 UVP, 8 supersonic anti-ship missiles, helicopter, universal artillery and self-defense complex. From the 2014 of the year, the larger and more advanced 054B will go into the series

          From what the US Navy does not have: S-803 supersonic anti-ship missiles, DF-21 ballistic anti-ship complex, AFAR radar, DEPL

          Chinese frigates in Malta, 2013 year
    2. poquello
      poquello 28 November 2013 20: 53
      +1
      Quote: Bradley
      .....
      Today, NAVY cannot compete on equal terms with any fleet in the world! The American fleet is the most powerful fleet in the world. And it's silly to argue with that.


      This is what "show-off and candy wrappers" are. There are no unsinkable fleets, it's hard to argue with history.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: poquello
        Quote: Bradley
        .....
        Today, NAVY cannot compete on equal terms with any fleet in the world! The American fleet is the most powerful fleet in the world. And it's silly to argue with that.


        This is what "show-off and candy wrappers" are. There are no unsinkable fleets, it's hard to argue with history.


        Unsinkable ships do not exist.
        But unsinkable fleets - there are: an example of the American merchant fleet in WWII - it grew faster than it was drowned
        1. poquello
          poquello 29 November 2013 16: 12
          +1
          Quote: cdrt
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Bradley
          .....
          Today, NAVY cannot compete on equal terms with any fleet in the world! The American fleet is the most powerful fleet in the world. And it's silly to argue with that.


          This is what "show-off and candy wrappers" are. There are no unsinkable fleets, it's hard to argue with history.


          Unsinkable ships do not exist.
          But unsinkable fleets - there are: an example of the American merchant fleet in WWII - it grew faster than it was drowned

          Well, in general, they put it, +, I agree.
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  22. Romanychby
    Romanychby 28 November 2013 14: 22
    +2
    Russia has a fleet no less stupid. There is plenty of sloppiness everywhere.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 14
      0
      Quote: Romanychby
      Russia has a fleet no less stupid. There is plenty of sloppiness everywhere.


      Something (perhaps, for example, the reasons for the death of such a large number of people during the flooding of Novorossiysk) makes us think that our fleet is stupid winked
  23. Andreitas
    Andreitas 28 November 2013 14: 25
    +5
    If our fleet spent as much as the American fleet in various conflicts and wars, it is still unknown about whom an article similar above would have to be written.
    1. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 28 November 2013 15: 30
      +2
      You might think that an attack is a means of survival for the United States, while we are not attacking anyone, we are degrading.
      Comrade is their choice of existence and therefore, it is completely incomprehensible, with such a conscious (?) Behavior, how do such children's PPCs appear?
  24. Nayhas
    Nayhas 28 November 2013 14: 38
    +3
    Don't be ashamed when an ally shoots you in the back. Lies and betrayal are the eternal vices that have existed since the creation of the world .... First, the Liberty came under heavy attack by the Mirage of the Israeli Air Force. Having shot the entire ammunition of the guns and NAR, the fighters fled. They were replaced by the Masters with napalm. Next came the torpedo boats. Israeli sailors point-blank shot Liberty from machine guns and planted a torpedo on board the unfortunate scout.

    Well so it’s so different for us, no lies, no betrayals ...
    November 9, 1975 Pilots of the 668th BAP on the Yak-28 bombed their Watchdog BOD in the Irbensky Bay.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 28 November 2013 15: 48
      +8
      Which was hardly found by the forces of the Baltic Fleet and two aviation regiments. and never hit. moreover, other ships mistakenly attacked, but also did not fall fortunately. like the anti-aircraft gunners of the ship, however.
      and undermining Soviet transports with weapons by South Africans - no one even apologized.
      and the undermining of 3kg of TNT, an imitation of a sea mine, after which the Parade flagship was dragged to the dock so that it would not drown before the Winter. 2005.
      and the BOD, MRK, SKR, minesweepers, IPC, RCA, submarines, which burned down without any war,
      too much for a non-belligerent country then
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 28 November 2013 22: 12
        0
        Quote: Tlauicol
        Which was hardly found by the forces of the Baltic Fleet and two aviation regiments. and never hit

        Actually, they got caught, the steering wheel jammed, which made it possible to land a boarding group which arrested the crew.
        PS: I do not know how to cap.3 Sablin V.M. patriots belong, but he was right, the government led the country to collapse.
        1. Andrey Skokovsky
          Andrey Skokovsky 29 November 2013 03: 02
          +3
          Quote: Nayhas

          PS: I do not know how to cap.3 Sablin V.M. patriots belong, but he was right, the government led the country to collapse.

          in 1975?
          Yes, he’s just a prophet, like Nastradamus.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 29 November 2013 10: 31
            0
            Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
            in 1975?

            Yes, just then. Remember the reasons for the beginning of "perestroika", they directly followed from there.
            1. cdrt
              cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 17
              -1
              Quote: Nayhas
              Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
              in 1975?

              Yes, just then. Remember the reasons for the beginning of "perestroika", they directly followed from there.


              I never looked at this story like that, but I think you're right.
              The origins of perestroika clearly grew from the mid-70s and what was happening in the party elite.
  25. Ddhal
    Ddhal 28 November 2013 14: 54
    +2
    Underestimating the adversary is one of the main mistakes throughout human history.

    In the modern world, you should also not rely on the adequacy of partners, even if this word is without quotation marks. The Israeli attack "Liberty" confirms this.
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 28 November 2013 23: 42
      +1
      In the modern world, you should also not rely on the adequacy of partners, even if this word is without quotation marks. The Israeli attack "Liberty" confirms this.


      At that time, Israel was not a close ally of the United States. The main partner and supplier of weapons was France
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 19
      +3
      Quote: DDHAL
      Underestimating the adversary is one of the main mistakes throughout human history.

      In the modern world, you should also not rely on the adequacy of partners, even if this word is without quotation marks. The Israeli attack "Liberty" confirms this.


      With Liberty, the story is dark ...
      Not just like that, the Israelis shot at them, oh, not just. I read many times that they wanted to forbid the Americans to record the beginning of air operations (either the Americans had leaks, or they consciously transmitted data to the Arabs).

      One could write about this story in another way.
      For example - "... a difficult political situation forced an unprotected reconnaissance ship to be sent into dangerous waters. The sailors, realizing the danger, carried out their duty unarmed in combat conditions. During the mission, xxx sailors died without leaving their posts ...".
      And then - if you write this phrase about the Soviet Navy, listeners will howl about the heroes, and if the same story is described as an author about Americans, these same listeners will howl - "stupid ...", which, in my opinion, is disgusting on the part of the author ( I'm talking about indulging such tastes of readers).
  26. DmitryK
    DmitryK 28 November 2013 15: 04
    -2
    Oleg well done! We need such authors!
  27. silver_roman
    silver_roman 28 November 2013 15: 06
    +1
    Class. author plus. very interesting to read, especially in a humorous form about "yues navi"!
    this phrase especially smiled:
    The whole day, the carrier strike group led by the atomic Enterprise courageously fought with two Iranian frigates with a displacement of 1500 tons each (60 times less than the carrier of the Enterprise!), Three boats and two oil platforms.


    probably the most ardent resistance was provided by oil platforms lol
  28. Bradley
    Bradley 28 November 2013 15: 16
    +1
    Quote: Magellan
    "Everyone" has victories in addition to accidents. During all the years of the Cold War, the surface component of NAVY did not have any victories (except for the Libyan boats and the Iranian Sahand - this is at the cost of the efforts spent on eliminating them!)

    What victories can we talk about if no one (thank God) managed to turn it into "hot"? NAVY in those days, like our Navy - competed in the length of the "device", no more. And in the 60s NAVY was not the same as it is now. Then there was the USSR, which created serious competition, and now NAVY simply has no enemies.

    Quote: Magellan
    Simply put: the US Navy is redundant. In its current form, it does more damage to the US itself than to its geopolitical opponents

    The task of the US Navy is to control as large a territory as possible. And for such a task, there are not many ships. Or are you hinting at a NAVY budget? Well, for some, it may be redundant, and may even harm ... But not for the United States.

    Quote: Magellan
    In terms of technical excellence, the good old Royal Navy jumped his head. By offensive and defensive power - China is breathing in the back of the head.

    Are you talking about Daring? Al about 052D? By the way, how did NAVY Daring jump ahead?
    And China is only breathing, nothing more. The technological level is not the same.
    1. Magellan
      Magellan 28 November 2013 15: 34
      +2
      Quote: Bradley
      What victories can we talk about if no one (thank God) managed to turn it into "hot"?

      for example, Royal Navy pulled the Falklands on itself - despite its heinous condition in the early 80s. Naval war at a distance of 12 thousand km from their native shores. And they did it! Seized a bunch of impromptu, assembled a squadron of their 80 ships - moved south, although everyone predicted defeat for them
      Quote: Bradley
      NAVY in those days, like our Navy - competed in the length of the "device", no more

      It seems so to you

      The Soviet Navy deftly spread throughout the world, set up bases everywhere, participated in dozens of peacekeeping operations - promoting the influence of the USSR on both sides of the globe. What is the Anadyr super-operation worth? The formation of the Gaddafi regime - it was our Navy that ensured it (their good Muammar was bad - that's another question. The main thing is that the fleet fulfilled its task) Or the beautiful ousting of Yortown from the military.
      Quote: Bradley
      and now NAVY is not just enemies.

      It means excessively powerful and inefficient.
      Quote: Bradley
      The success of the U.S. Navy is to control as much territory as possible

      Despite the fact that most of the ships props up the docks in Norfolk and San Diego. And "territory is held" by hundreds of military bases on all continents of the Earth
      Quote: Bradley
      Well, for some, it may be redundant, and may even harm ... But not for the United States.

      And it's just like a tablet

      Quote: Bradley
      and in what "headlong" jumped NAVY Daring?

      Two specialized AFAR, anti-aircraft missiles with ARGLSN - the Yankees have nothing like it
      + full electric propulsion and full automation - the crew is two times smaller than that of Burke, cruising range is 1,5 times higher
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 28 November 2013 16: 04
        +3
        Quote: Magellan
        for example, Royal Navy pulled the Falklands on itself - despite its heinous condition in the early 80s. Naval war at a distance of 12 thousand km from their native shores. And they did it! Seized a bunch of impromptu, assembled a squadron of their 80 ships - moved south, although everyone predicted defeat for them

        Well done Brits. Just what does this have to do with NAVY?

        Quote: Magellan

        The Soviet Navy deftly spread throughout the world, set up bases everywhere, participated in dozens of peacekeeping operations - promoting the influence of the USSR on both sides of the globe. What is the Anadyr super-operation worth? The formation of the Gaddafi regime - it was our Navy that ensured it (their good Muammar was bad - that's another question. The main thing is that the fleet fulfilled its task) Or the beautiful ousting of Yortown from the military.

        Again, where does the NAVY?

        Quote: Magellan
        It means excessively powerful and inefficient.

        Competitors will immediately appear if you begin to reduce the fleet.
        Nobody is attacking Russia either, therefore it is possible to dissolve the army, as it is redundant.
        There are no competitors because money is poured into the Navy, new ships are built and old ones are modernized.

        Quote: Magellan
        And it's just like a tablet

        Essentially yes, just a sign.)

        Quote: Magellan
        Two specialized AFAR, anti-aircraft missiles with ARGLSN - the Yankees have nothing like it
        + full electric propulsion and full automation - the crew is two times smaller than that of Burke, cruising range is 1,5 times higher

        You wrote it yourself.) Daring is an air defense destroyer. The same Berk has a wider functionality, and more of them, Berkov. Great Britain will not pull Daring series production. So "on the head", it is loudly said.
        1. Magellan
          Magellan 28 November 2013 16: 26
          0
          Quote: Bradley
          Well done Brits. Just what does this have to do with NAVY?

          It turns out that the British fleet is the best and coolest, and not American cardboard power
          Quote: Bradley
          Again, where does the NAVY?

          What good has the NAVY surface component done over the past half century?
          Quote: Bradley
          Competitors will immediately appear if you begin to reduce the fleet.

          What kind? Who is going to build a fleet equal in number to the US Navy?
          China? They will overtake the states anyway. Without any "but" and "maybe"
          Quote: Bradley
          Nobody attacks Russia either, therefore it is possible to dissolve the army

          You are distorting. Has anyone talked about the complete DISSOLUTION of the army and navy?
          Quote: Bradley
          Essentially yes, just a sign.)

          Truth? And what is government shutdown connected with on October 1, 2013?
          Or the lack of Zwolt's surveillance radar?
          Quote: Bradley
          The same Burke has a wider functionality

          What does Burke know - from what Daring can't?
          Bullet Axes? Dering’s project included the installation of an additional 16 air-guided missile launchers and the possibility of equipping SLCMs - they are not there because there is no need for such weapons on a British destroyer. (dering, like many European ships is structurally underloaded)
          Quote: Bradley
          UK will not pull batch production daring

          She doesn’t need to. Her Majesty's fleet is ideally suited to modern conditions. Total according to need and in moderation. And only the best.
          1. Delta
            Delta 28 November 2013 16: 37
            +2
            Quote: Magellan
            What good has the NAVY surface component done over the past half century?


            and what did the underwater?)) didn’t drown anyone. So cardboard?))
            1. Walking
              Walking 28 November 2013 16: 48
              +1
              What is all this Magellan minus?
              1. barbiturate
                barbiturate 28 November 2013 17: 24
                +1
                for nonsense and youthful maximalism 13 years old)
            2. Magellan
              Magellan 28 November 2013 16: 49
              +3
              Quote: Delta
              and what did the underwater?)) didn’t drown anyone

              Of course, of course - this is an element of the nuclear triad. Strategic importance for the whole world.

              American submarines hacked underwater communication lines like real hackers. They stole Soviet nuclear warheads from a crashed Tu-95 bomber (fell off Sakhalin, Operation Blue Sun). In recent years, they have become the main carriers of Tomahawks - they beat any Gaddafi backhand
          2. Bradley
            Bradley 28 November 2013 17: 02
            +1
            Quote: Magellan
            It turns out that the British fleet is the best and coolest, and not American cardboard power

            You made that conclusion from the fact that Britain fought with Argentina?
            Well, ok, I’ll say in your own words: the Soviet Navy did not represent anything, since the US Navy fought in the Pacific Ocean.

            Quote: Magellan
            What good has the NAVY surface component done over the past half century?

            And what is "good" in your understanding?

            Quote: Magellan
            What kind? Who is going to build a fleet equal in number to the US Navy?
            China? They will overtake the states anyway. Without any "but" and "maybe"

            Now none. But if NAVY weaken, they will appear. That is why a powerful fleet is needed.

            Quote: Magellan
            What does Burke know - from what Daring can't?
            Bullet Axes? Dering’s project included the installation of an additional 16 air-guided missile launchers and the possibility of equipping SLCMs - they are not there because there is no need for such weapons on a British destroyer. (dering, like many European ships is structurally underloaded)

            PRO, PLO.
            45 is made like an air defense ship! He CAN carry the same Axes, but does not. I can also be a ballerina, but I'm not a ballerina.

            Quote: Magellan
            She doesn’t need to. Her Majesty's fleet is ideally suited to modern conditions. Total according to need and in moderation. And only the best.

            Glad for them.
            1. Santa Fe
              28 November 2013 20: 40
              +1
              Mr. Bradley, obviously, is a fan of the American Navy, because he does not understand the simplest things
              Quote: Bradley
              You made that conclusion from the fact that Britain fought with Argentina?

              Yes, Mr. Bradley. Falkland 82 is the only naval war in modern history. And the British won it, although it seemed that they did not have the slightest chance - the squadron did not have modern air defense. Read what Type42 or Type21 is, what kind of abode they were and how you could fight on them.
              British sailors fought and defeated them - everything was decided by the brilliant training of personnel, competent logistics and skillful command.

              Falklands is a golden page in British history. Not a single fleet of the world can boast of such a victory.
              Considering what equipment is now in service with the Royal Navy, they will give odds to any American compound.
              Quote: Bradley
              And what is "good" in your understanding?

              Obviously, these were actions that benefited the American state. The American fleet, alas, during the years of the Cold War has now shown itself as a monstrous expensive and inefficient mechanism. Not a single significant victory or event that one could be proud of. There were no wars at sea, and each clash with the enemy ended in defeat for them.
              (this passage does not apply to the submarine fleet - submariners of all countries were always on top)
              Quote: Bradley
              But if NAVY weaken, they will appear

              No one in the world will notice if the Amer fleet is reduced by 2-3 times
              In modern conditions, he does not solve anything
              Quote: Bradley
              He CAN carry the same Axes, but does not. I can also be a ballerina, but I'm not a ballerina.

              Your beloved Burke was created as an air defense ship. As a result, he was unable to fulfill his most important task.

              Glorious Pages of "The World's Best Fleet"
              1. barbiturate
                barbiturate 30 November 2013 06: 56
                +2
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Yes, Mr. Bradley. Falklands 82 is the only naval war in modern history. And the British won it, although it seemed that they did not have the slightest chance - the squadron did not have modern air defense. Read what Type42 or Type21 was, what kind of abode they were and how it was possible to fight them. British sailors fought and defeated them - everything was decided by brilliant training of personnel, competent logistics and skillful command. Falklands is a golden page in British history. Not a single fleet of the world can boast of such a victory. Considering what equipment is now in service with the Royal Navy, they will give odds to any American formation.

                Is it interesting to talk nonsense? or oversleep?))

                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Obviously, these were actions that benefited the American state. The American fleet, alas, during the years of the Cold War has now shown itself as a monstrous expensive and inefficient mechanism. Not a single significant victory or event that one could be proud of. There were no wars at sea, and each collision with the enemy ended in defeat for them. (This passage does not apply to the submarine fleet - submariners of all countries were always on top)


                Well, compare what and who is proud of) take the US Air Force, strategic command, etc., and tell us, but there is something to be proud of, and the Navy has nothing, so stick out like ravens on a pole for the last 60 years in all corners of the world and it is not clear why)
                Although the divers did not crap one’s all right))


                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                No one in the world will notice if the Amer fleet is reduced by 2-3 times. In modern conditions, it does not solve anything.


                and what decides in modern conditions? and who told you that the fleet absolutely decides something? decides the country that built this fleet)

                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Your beloved Burke was created as an air defense ship. As a result, he was unable to carry out his most important task. The glorious pages of "the world's best fleet"


                Favorite?) The poor fellow didn’t know that Burke was his favorite) Give an example of a successful air defense ship? Well, they say, he repelled the attack of 3-6 Hornets, for example, well, or who is simpler? Or refer to Stark, that they say he didn’t manage and that means their fleet is nonsense?
                You pray that no one would throw pictures of a heap of Soviet military advisers with your hands up, I’m silent about the soldiers, but will this be evidence of their shaggyness?)
                You boy, sweet and sixteen, think others are more evil than yourself and teach the same
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 28 November 2013 22: 32
        +3
        Quote: Magellan
        for example, Royal Navy pulled the Falklands on itself - despite its heinous condition in the early 80s. Naval war at a distance of 12 thousand km from their native shores. And they did it! Seized a bunch of impromptu, assembled a squadron of their 80 ships - moved south, although everyone predicted defeat for them

        And no country in the world is trying to make territorial claims against the United States. With regard to the United States, the Falklands are simply impossible because everyone knows about their Navy. Argentina fell in love because it considered Royal Navy to be a weak enemy, if instead of Great Britain there were USA, then there would be no war for the Falklands. The US Navy is primarily a deterrent factor that is taken into account by all countries with a coast of the world ocean and having bad relations with the United States. Thanks to the US Navy, the Republic of China still exists on the island of Taiwan, and the PRC has been forced to put up with it for decades. Thanks to the US Navy, Khrushchev had to remove missiles from Cuba, it was the Navy that provided the supply of troops in Korea and Vietnam.
        1. Santa Fe
          28 November 2013 23: 07
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          And in relation to the United States, no country in the world is trying to make territorial claims.

          This is certain. The Yankees with one click of their fingers will freeze the accounts of the next dictator and expel his children from Harvard
          Quote: Nayhas
          Thanks to the US Navy, the Republic of China on the island of Taiwan still exists

          This war ended more than half a century ago. Now the trade turnover between China and Taiwan is hundreds of billions of dollars. The US Navy didn’t stumble
          Quote: Nayhas
          which takes into account all countries with a coast of the oceans and having a bad relationship with the United States

          C'mon, tell this to the DPRK))) When they captured Pueblo.
          How many subjects are comrade Kim was shot down by amerskie scouts EC-121, etc. technicians?
          Assad, as he fought, so he fights. Gaddafi 40 years sent all ###
          Tell this to Saddam when he brazenly climbed into Kuwait, not at all afraid of the Amerian ships in Persia. the gulf or Khomeini, when he took the Amer embassy hostage in Tehran
          Quote: Nayhas
          Thanks to the US Navy, Khrushchev had to export missiles from Cuba

          Oh really?? They were not even able to provide norms. blockade - four vehicles passed there. Khrushchev scared of the B-52. But not the Amer fleet
          Quote: Nayhas
          it was the Navy that provided the troops in Korea and Vietnam.

          You probably wanted to say - Shipping Command.
          With civilian crews.
          However, nothing helped the Yankees in Vietnam - the Soviets calmly unloaded weapons transports in Kamp. 60 S-75 divisions, 7500 missiles - it became pointless to fight in such conditions. As in a bearded anecdote about the deceased Chapaev and a pet doing artificial breathing to him:
          - Take out the battalion commander from the water, otherwise you’ll pump the whole Urals)
          1. barbiturate
            barbiturate 30 November 2013 06: 42
            +2
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            This is certain. The Yankees with one click of their fingers will freeze the accounts of the next dictator and expel his children from Harvard


            Great position, huh?) Dream, that would also

            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            This war ended more than half a century ago. Now the trade turnover between China and Taiwan is hundreds of billions of dollars. The US Navy didn’t stumble


            why is China so nervous about the US Navy? Even trying to create ballistic missiles !! to fight ships. Looks like stupid Chinese do not understand that the Americans themselves will scatter and their ships have pelvis.

            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            C'mon, tell this to the DPRK))) When they captured Pueblo. How many subjects Comrade. Kim was shot down by amer scouts EC-121, etc. technology? Assad as he fought - and he is fighting. Gaddafi sent all 40 years ### Tell this to Saddam when he brazenly climbed into Kuwait, not at all afraid of the Amerian ships in Persia. the gulf or Khomeini, when he took the Amer embassy hostage in Tehran


            captured the ship? shot down planes? So what? what does this have to do with the combat capability of a nation and ships? So Dudaev was not afraid of the Russian ships on the raids of the Polar and Gremikha and took hostages and blew up, you understand your rubbish?

            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Oh really?? They were not even able to provide norms. blockade - four vehicles passed there. Khrushchev scared of the B-52. But not the Amer fleet

            Poor fellow Khrushchev did not even know that he was afraid of the Air Force, the Navy, etc. separately. USA) Probably so he said "I'm afraid of the US Air Force, the Navy is a sucker for them", though if you compare ...


            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            You probably wanted to say - Shipping Command. With civilian civilian crews. However, nothing helped the Yankees in Vietnam - the Soviets calmly unloaded weapons transports in Kamp. 60 S-75 divisions, 7500 missiles - it became pointless to fight in such conditions. As in a bearded anecdote about the deceased Chapaev and a pet who makes artificial breathing to him: - Take out the divisional divider from the water, otherwise the entire Urals will transfer


            such amusements work with any country, stupid Americans suddenly began to see in 79)) and also told a bearded anecdote
  29. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 28 November 2013 15: 37
    -1
    I wrote the thought above, but I repeat.
    Reading the arguments of some commentators that they should not pay attention to such flaws, because the US fleet is so actively fighting that it is not correct for him to oppose the USSR / RF fleet, because we say that they are not so active and therefore there are no such state of emergency.

    Comrades, an attack is a means of survival for the USA is their choice of existence, and therefore, it is completely incomprehensible, with such deliberate (?) Behavior, how do such children's PPCs appear?
    What is this, the mismatch between the capabilities, the functional necessity that the state leaders entrusted to the fleet or similar incidents is nothing more than evil rock, which is called the Fselen law, which states that any fleet of any state that has grown to such a size as the US fleet DOOMED to occur the same situations.
    1. Delta
      Delta 28 November 2013 15: 54
      +3
      so I wrote the thought on this site, but I will repeat it specially for you - when Russia and the USSR conquered (or at least attended, intervened), then the country's power was consolidated. And now? the choice of a great peacemaker? no, this is just an excuse and veiled infirmity. According to the logic that the larger the fleet, the more contingencies (accidents, errors), it should not be built at all, then no accidents will happen.
      1. Evgeny_Lev
        Evgeny_Lev 28 November 2013 16: 03
        +1
        Do you propose starting a new redivision of the world?
        1. Delta
          Delta 28 November 2013 16: 23
          +2
          why new? it goes constantly. And in the absence of serious competitors in the United States, they are doing this redistribution as they need it. Process: the collapse of the Union - the entry of the countries of the former Warsaw Pact into NATO - does the "European integration" of the countries of the former USSR bother you? do you want to stop this process? and if you want, how? sitting still?
  30. Walking
    Walking 28 November 2013 16: 51
    0
    But I don’t like the American uniform, panamos are like in a pioneer camp. lol
    1. Magellan
      Magellan 28 November 2013 16: 56
      0
      Quote: Hiking
      I don’t like the American uniform; panamos are like in a pioneer camp.

      good cool noticed
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 38
        +1
        Quote: Magellan
        Quote: Hiking
        I don’t like the American uniform; panamos are like in a pioneer camp.

        good cool noticed


        Just try to imagine what capes look like with ribbons through the eyes of a person who does not know anything about the Navy of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR / RF (for example, a not very competent resident of South Africa, for example). No less fun - all kinds of ribbons laughing
        The difference of cultures, traditions, experience
  31. i.xxx-1971
    i.xxx-1971 28 November 2013 18: 06
    +1
    In the Pacific theater of operations, the Japanese did whatever they wanted with the US Navy. Yamamoto's actions are poetry. He not only defeated the Yankees, he dispersed them with a towel. Even after Midway, when, by some fatal accident, the Yankees sank four heavy Japanese aircraft carriers (the Japanese won the battle), Japan had a chance to continue the fight on an equal footing. If the Yankees did not act as befits a real Anglo-Saxon, they vilely eliminated a strong enemy. Still, the role of personality in history is not an empty phrase. We ceased to be an empire when we also meanly eliminated Stalin. If you analyze the "victories" of the Anglo-Saxons, which they "won", then do not expect to find there a "strategy of indirect actions" and in general, at least some kind of strategy: they stupidly bombed, attacked with tenfold superiority in forces on what was left. When you talk about the victories of the American armed forces, I am telling you about the "second front" after five years of world war, about Pearl Harbor (not a battle, but about a chain of US defeats on land and at sea from an army that the Soviet army defeated in a month fights and twice beat on Khasan and Khalkhin-gol), about Korea and Vietnam. Also listen to what their allies and Afghans, who fought with the USSR, have to say about the fighting qualities of the US Army and they have someone to compare with.
    1. alex84
      alex84 28 November 2013 19: 43
      0
      But the Russian Federation could not even defeat its separatist region of Chechnya, they simply paid off with money, so it would be better to say nothing about the shabby US Army
      1. i.xxx-1971
        i.xxx-1971 29 November 2013 00: 23
        +3
        Terrible took twice. They could have taken it twenty times. They could have done it like in 1944. But common sense won: the country changed its mind to fall apart, and since Chechnya is one big PIPE that needs to be safeguarded and cherished, they bought Chechnya, as General Paskevich, the successor to General Yermolov, did in his time. It is better to spend money than pour blood of the citizens of your country for the interests of the Anglo-Saxons (for some reason, pin ... they can not be called). Former Soviet citizens fought there, not aliens. By the way, the US Army does not disdain to pay off its enemies: if you strain your brain, then at least remember about Iraq.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 41
          -1
          Quote: i.xxx-1971
          Terrible took twice


          And left at least once ...
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 40
      +1
      Quote: i.xxx-1971
      Even after Midway, when by some fatal accident, the Yankees drowned four heavy Japanese aircraft carriers (the battle was won by the Japanese)


      It sounds funny - by fateful accident drowned FOUR ...
      Somehow repeating accidents - these are no longer accidents laughing
      1. i.xxx-1971
        i.xxx-1971 29 November 2013 14: 51
        0
        This accident occurred within one hour. At the command of Admiral Nagumo, almost all deck aircraft began to change torpedoes to bombs and at the same time refueling was started. Fuel and lubricant hoses stretched across decks, ammunition lay on decks, next to airplanes. At this time, the American torpedo bombers accidentally entered the compound, who got lost and already wanted to go back. They covered all this splendor. Everything began to explode and burn. Four out of six aircraft carriers turned into ovens, since ventilation worked everywhere (as it should be when refueling cars) and the hot air was drawn into the compartments. The biggest loss for Japan was the one-time death of almost all deck pilots, we can say the elite. After Midway, the strategy in the Pacific ended and the defeat of Japan was only a matter of time. But in general, the battle was successful precisely for the Japanese. If interested, there are brilliant works by Pereslegin.
        1. alex84
          alex84 29 November 2013 15: 11
          +2
          I would love to see how the USSR would fight Japan in the Pacific, and most importantly what. And the fact that the USSR defeated the Japanese army so quickly is the main reason, its supply went by sea from Southeast Asia (where there were all the resources, so Japan attacked Harbor Pearl in order to destroy the US fleet to seize the resources of this region), and since The United States liberated Southeast Asia, defeated the Japanese fleet and began to block the mainland, then this army became almost incompetent. In Europe, at the end of the war, many German divisions without resources surrendered almost in full force (the USSR was afraid to surrender due to the fact that they attacked and killed so many people, as well as parts of the Japanese army surrendered to the USSR, because they did not want to fall under the arm embittered Americans)

          If interested, there are brilliant works by Pereslegin.

          And what is the point of reading the nonsense of various underdevelopers, in the USA the same underdealers also write that the USSR accidentally took Berlin. All the same, the history of the Second World War needs to be read more by our authors, and the history of the Pacific War by their authors, there will be much less delirium
  32. xomaNN
    xomaNN 28 November 2013 18: 18
    +2
    Photo in the Norfolk sketch. US Navy base. This is where UBS to ask for wink Here, the post-war super torpedo with the T-5 nuclear warhead does not seem so ridiculous.
  33. homosum20
    homosum20 28 November 2013 19: 53
    +1
    Still, I would like to know what happened to our Kursk.
    1. alex84
      alex84 28 November 2013 20: 01
      0
      Putin told you - "he drowned"
  34. Known who
    Known who 29 November 2013 04: 53
    -1
    I propose to finalize the article and teach cadets how not to fight using it as an example. Learn better from the mistakes of others.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 29 November 2013 12: 42
      0
      Quote: Who is known
      I propose to finalize the article and teach cadets how not to fight using it as an example. Learn better from the mistakes of others.


      To begin with, we would have to master our experience of mistakes ... it is mentally closer to us laughing
  35. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 29 November 2013 05: 38
    +1
    Speaking of frigates such as Perry, no matter how disabled Perry would be, recent littoral ships made Americans love him, littoral ships should replace the Perry as escort and patrol ships. Literary ships are more expensive, more expensive to operate, and at the same time almost unarmed.
  36. reality
    reality 29 November 2013 10: 54
    0
    Comrades in the history of the fleets, tell me, were there real clashes between the English and Russian fleets?
    For the British, the fleet is a matter of honor; the Americans are not so sick with their fleet. Well, in general, as I understand it, the British are fighting braver, they have the right gene in them.

    Somehow tired of laughing at the amers.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 29 November 2013 17: 52
      0
      Crimean War, Civil War
  37. kavad
    kavad 29 November 2013 18: 16
    0
    "It's a shame when the billion-dollar Aegis super war information system classifies a huge, slow Airbus as a fighter and boldly points missiles at it."

    Oh, but in the USSR passenger planes probably never shot down!
    1. Santa Fe
      29 November 2013 19: 03
      -3
      Quote: kavad
      Oh, but in the USSR passenger planes probably never shot down!

      So this is backward Bolshevik technology! And not some super Aegis

      Stand By Admiral Gorshkov! AEGIS at Sea! - with such an inscription the first "Ticonderoga" went to sea. A super-system that threatened to change all previous ideas about naval combat.


      “We were told that the Aegis system is the most magnificent in the world and this simply cannot happen!”
      - Rep. Patricia Schrowder.
      1. barbiturate
        barbiturate 30 November 2013 06: 01
        +2
        Oleg, do you think Aegis, S-300, etc. are fighting?) Do you know why the American operator with the captain behind his shoulder made such a decision? Why did you send the rocket to the plane? What would then be like you have stained great articles)
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 30 November 2013 06: 10
      +1
      by mistake no, shot down for violating the country's airspace.
  38. barbiturate
    barbiturate 29 November 2013 21: 58
    0
    oh, I burst into tears of laughter)) well, I just ask the guys, because we are going to the norms, we are inferior, but we are trying, but how? can
  39. postman
    postman 30 November 2013 03: 02
    +2
    Quote: Author
    But at the same time, the most stupid and ineffective (cost / result) among the naval forces of other developed countries.

    - In the years 1798-1800 during the Quasi-war with France, about 30 ships were built, operating against French privateers.
    -In the years 1801-1805, the ships of the American fleet acted in the Mediterranean against Tripolitan pirates, in order to protect merchant shipping.
    - During the Anglo-American War of 1812-1814, the American fleet carried out cruising operations and also acted on the Great Lakes, defeating the English fleet in battles on Lake Erie and Lake Champlain.

    -After the Anglo-American War, the US Navy continued to defend merchant shipping in the Caribbean, the Mediterranean Sea, off the coast of Africa, in the Pacific Ocean, fought with pirates and the slave trade.
    -During the US-Mexican War of 1846-1848, the US Navy blocked the Pacific and Atlantic coast of Mexico, carried out the landing of General Scott's troops in Veracruz.
    - During the civil war of 1861-1865, the naval blockade of the ports of the southerners.
    - Chilean crisis of 1891-1892, result = $ 75 in GOLD compensation
    - During the Spanish-American War of 1898, the US Navy defeated the Spanish fleet in the Philippines, blocked Spanish ships in the ports of Cuba, and ensured the delivery of troops to the island.
    -In 1907-1909, the circumnavigation and Great White Flee.
    -The 1943 TOTAL Advantage in the Atlantic US Navy, thanks to the US Navy
    - Battles in the Coral Sea (May 4–8, 1942) and the Midway Atoll (June 4, 1942), as well as the Battle of Guadalcanal (August 7, 1942 - February 7, 1943), the Battle of the Mariana Islands (June 19–20) and the battle in Leyte Bay (October 23-26), 1945 completely interrupted (PL) the naval forces of Japan between the continent and Japan (oddly enough)
    - In 1950 they carried out the Incheon landing operation
    - In the 1960s, the US Navy took part in the Caribbean crisis, the Vietnam War, constantly operating in the Mediterranean Sea. Armed with ships appeared guided missile weapons. In the 1970s, the U.S. Navy began to be constantly present in the Indian Ocean and especially in the Persian Gulf in order to ensure the safety of oil transportation 1950 Incheon landing operation.
    -In the 1980s, the US Navy took part in military operations against Lebanon, Libya, Grenada, Panama, Iran. Operation Mantis April 18, 1988 became the largest naval battle of the US Navy since World War II. In 1991, the US Navy took part in Operation Desert Storm against Iraq.
    -Well, there is about the USSR-USA (confrontation), about the tasks that the US Navy has solved and is solving ... I’m keeping silent
    ===========================

    IMPLEMENT, show me another fleet, an acre of British and Spanish (discovery of America), who did, at the same cost, the same?
    NOTE: when emigrants arrived in America, buffalo ran there, and there was no nifu, and they arrived on ships, from countries (s) in which metallurgy was full of ships, there were shipyards, ports, and which (deliberately) already plowed oceans across the oceans 1500-17000 years
    1. Santa Fe
      30 November 2013 14: 26
      -1
      Quote: Postman
      - During the US-Mexican War 1846-1848

      We are still talking about the modern fleet. Otherwise, the Argonauts will become the coolest - sirens, Scylla and Charybdis, etc. danger))
      Quote: Postman
      -In 1907-1909, the circumnavigation and Great White Flee.

      GWF is just an advertisement. The Yankees have always been strong in this.
      Quote: Postman
      -The 1943 TOTAL Advantage in the Atlantic US Navy, thanks to the US Navy

      Here you are, Mr. Postman, just wrong.
      Most of the German submarines (~ 600: 160) are on the account of the British (even if their ships were built from Lend-Lease materials and equipment, or were entirely obtained from the USA)
      Quote: Postman
      - In the 1960-ies of the US Navy took part in the Caribbean crisis, the Vietnam War, constantly operating in the Mediterranean Sea. Armed ships appeared guided missile weapons

      The Soviet Navy did the same. But at the same time he was much more impudent of his opponents, at a much lower cost
      Quote: Postman
      show me another fleet, an acre of British and Spanish (discovery of America), who did the same thing at the same cost?

      USSR Navy did the same for less

      Or look at how many enemy vehicles have flooded the DPRK Navy (Pueblo, Cheonan, EC-121 - despite the fact that the fleet has only boats and old diesel boats). This is a matter of cost / benefit
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  41. barbiturate
    barbiturate 30 November 2013 04: 27
    +2
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Yes, Mr. Bradley. Falklands 82 is the only naval war in modern history. And the British won it, although it seemed that they did not have the slightest chance - the squadron did not have modern air defense. Read what Type42 or Type21 was, what kind of abode they were and how it was possible to fight them. British sailors fought and defeated them - everything was decided by brilliant training of personnel, competent logistics and skillful command. Falklands is a golden page in British history. Not a single fleet of the world can boast of such a victory. Considering what equipment is now in service with the Royal Navy, they will give odds to any American formation.


    Damn, in your pursuit of people you already or where? What nonsense, even commenting on the dumbly raving of drunk people like this
  42. Cristall
    Cristall 30 November 2013 15: 12
    0
    Caps should not be thrown.
    The phrase-enemy is strong and insidious, still relevant.
    I remember one thing from the story.
    Fleet Royal - was also the strongest, numerous and everyone knew him. And everyone was looking for a way to level out his power at once (for example, new guns or submarines or armadillos)
    Why not agree with the fact of the most capable fleet in the world (I have no doubt about it) and think up how to level its military power not in words but in deeds.
    The uniqueness of the USA-2 ocean, the absence of land enemies. And we had the opposite.
    You need to invent something new, which at once can level NAVY. With Britain, time and invention are well understood. In general, the path of superiority of another by increasing the number to the level of the opponent (France, for example, Germany to WWI, Japan, Russia, etc. at different times) is an unfortunate option. Maybe the Chinese are just working on this.
  43. maanima
    maanima 30 November 2013 18: 00
    0
    Of course, one should not think (let alone assert) that the American Navy (and the army in general) is a bunch of clowns armed to the teeth. But let's hope that military Americans (and civilians, all the same painters) will continue to "hone" their skills.
  44. -Patriot-
    -Patriot- 1 December 2013 20: 00
    -1
    Good article, thanks to the author.
  45. sumcream56
    sumcream56 10 December 2013 13: 09
    0
    Look who's Talking! The steam fleets of both the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union were mostly "self-propelled". Not a single naval battle won. Losses of the enemy in large ships only due to mine weapons. "And the fact that the frigates" Oliver H. Perry "are unworkable steel coffins, the American sailors guessed long ago. Avaricious pays twice - Perry proved to be categorically incapable of performing their assigned tasks or simply defending themselves against primitive means of attack. " Is this by chance not about the latest Russian corvettes? The United States has always crushed the masses and loved to be stingy - you won’t cry, don’t throw out budget money!
  46. pt730
    pt730 26 March 2014 23: 30
    -1
    The article is very pathos) The facts are distorted) When the TFR at the World Cup drove famously Yorktown, the indecision (or rather, the reluctance to kill a large number of people) of the American captain saved the crew of the TFR.