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LAW Pechora-2M: the second life of the C-125

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When the C-125 air defense system was adopted by the Soviet army, hardly anyone could have imagined that even after more than 50 years, this air defense system would still be of interest and remain in a position to solve the assigned tasks. The complex clearly demonstrated this during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, when its invisible F-117 was shot down by its rocket. It should be noted that that episode was provided not only by the high professionalism of the Serb anti-aircraft gunners, but also by a successful coincidence of circumstances. At present, the C-125 complex has been substantially upgraded, the new version of the Pechora-2М system has kept little from its predecessor, seriously increasing its combat capabilities. This complex should primarily be of interest to those states that were armed with various versions of the C-125 air defense system.


However, this initial strategy was radically revised by Rosoboronexport. Initially, the Pechora-2M air defense system in foreign markets was promoted precisely by the countries-operators of the C-125 complex. The manufacturer of the complex "Defense Systems" took orders for the modernization of the Pechora air defense missile system, which were in service with various countries. However, currently Pechora-2M is positioned as a new air defense system, which was developed based on elements of the C-125 air defense system. This decision has allowed to expand the potential sales market at the expense of the states that have never had C-125 in service.

The Pechora-2M air defense system is able to conduct effective combat with all the aerodynamic means of attack of the enemy. It is especially effective in comparison with other air defense systems in the fight against small and low-altitude targets. A new optoelectronic system installed on the complex allows the effective detection and tracking of all types of air targets around the clock - both during the day and at night. To ensure a better level of protection, anti-aircraft guided missiles and active jamming were introduced into the air defense system.

LAW Pechora-2M: the second life of the C-125

The use of modernized missile systems in the complex made it possible to increase the efficiency and range of aerial targets. Due to the large-scale replacement of the main equipment of the complex with solid-state and digital equipment, it was possible to increase the service life of the complex and its overall reliability, reduce operating costs, and reduce the composition of the crew. The installation of the complex’s facilities on the car’s chassis, the use of modern communications, satellite navigation equipment, program-controlled hydraulic drive of the antenna significantly reduced the deployment time of the air defense missile system to the combat position, and also provided it with the necessary mobility.

LAW "Pechora-2M" has the ability to interface with higher-level gearbox and remote radar using telecode channels. The use of the radio protection complex against enemy anti-radar missiles and the remoteness of the control cabin from the antenna post provide an increase in the survivability of the air defense system on the battlefield. The approach demonstrated by the Defense Systems enterprise during the Pechora modernization allows, at relatively small expenses, to create quite a modern C-125 base weapon.

Currently, the Pechora-2M air defense missile system is a true trademark of Defense Systems. Compared to the Pechora C-125, the electronic filling was changed to 90%. Modern elemental base level 2000-s meets the most modern requirements, ranging from processors used in computers and ending with color LCD displays displaying the air situation. The control cabins of the complex, the antenna post and the PU were able to be spread over a sufficient distance (instead of the previous 70 meters), which significantly increased the survivability of the complex when it was fired by the enemy. Also, the Pechora-2M air defense system has 8 launchers instead of 4-x. In 5, the time between complex failures increased, and the detection range of aerial targets increased in 2 times when an adversary used interference.


The main focus of work on the modernization of missiles was the improvement of the warhead and radio-fuse, the improvement of guided missile guidance methods, the increase in the energy characteristics of the missile propulsion system. On the used XURUM 5B27E there was the possibility of increasing the weight of the solid-fuel charge of the starting accelerator. In the warhead of an anti-aircraft missile, ready-made attack elements are used, the mass of which has been increased by 1,6 times, and the number of elements has increased by 3,7 times. Improvement of the radio-fuse made it possible to reduce the height of its operation to 20 meters, as well as to ensure the implementation of the optimal time of detonation, taking into account the fragmentation field and the fuse pattern.

The structure of the Pechora-2M air defense missile system includes: SNR C-125-2М radar for targeting anti-aircraft missiles (UNK-2М control cab and UNV-2М antenna post mounted on a vehicle chassis), up to 8 5XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX series 73 e-guides to 2 TZM-based vehicles Ural 2 or Zil-8, SAM type 4210V131U, 5V27D, 5V27DE and power system (diesel power distribution cubicle 5E27A and CGS-H). Additionally, the complex can include a mobile repair shop, a cable layer KU-5T with a set of cables, as well as a set of radio protection equipment (КРТЗ-96-03М).

For "Pechory-2M" in KBSM (St. Petersburg), a new PU was specially developed based on the chassis of the MZKT-8021 vehicle. At the same time, the Belarusian manufacturer of this chassis provided for the possibility of equipping this launcher with an Allison gearbox, a Mercedes engine and foreign tires, which is explained not only by the predilections of foreign customers, but also by the relatively low price of these components. Studies that were conducted at the design stage and were aimed at determining the possibility of transporting missiles on the beams of the 5P73 launcher over rough terrain showed that without cardinal processing and weighting of the PU itself, it would not be possible to transport the 4 SAM. Therefore, it was decided to redesign the four-beam PU in the two-beam.


The mass of the self-propelled launcher is 31150 kg, its combat crew is 3 man. On the highway, it can reach speeds in 40 km / h, on dirt roads - up to 20 km / h, while driving on rough terrain - 10 km / h. From a transport position to a combat unit, it is transferred in no more than 30 minutes, usually in 25 minutes. It is assumed that in the future it will receive a set of control equipment, an autonomous source of energy supply, equipment for pre-launch preparation and a radio link to ensure information exchange with the divisional unit's command gear, which will ensure that the PU is carried to the most dangerous direction at a distance of 10 kilometers from the guidance tools. The complex is able to detect air targets with 2 m2 EPR at 7 km altitude, at 69-79 km in a noiseless environment and at 35-40 km with the use of interference, at 0,35 km altitude, targets are detected at 35-45 at a distance and 35-40 km, respectively.

Antenna post UNV "Pechora-2M" was significantly changed. The transmitting device was able to translate into a solid base, which does not imply adjustments. In addition, a thermal imaging channel was introduced, which makes it possible to effectively use the installation at night and in the absence of visibility of the air target (when it is in the clouds) without being released by radio electronic means. The air defense system received modern means of communication, as well as topographical orientation and reference to the terrain with the use of well-known GPS or GLONASS space systems. The used telecode GPS allows to provide automated reception of target designation from external sources of information.

To ensure reliable protection of enemy air defense missile systems from anti-radar missiles such as AGM-88 HARM, which are aimed at emitting an antenna post, a special CRTZ-125-2М radio protection system was specially designed. The structure of this complex includes a control unit and communications OI-125BS, 4-6 transmitters OI-125, an autonomous power supply (220В / 50Hz), spare parts and transport vehicle "Ural-4320". The operation of the complex is based on masking the signals of the antenna post using signals from a group of transmitting devices, provided that the power of each of them is equal to or exceeds the power of the background radiation of the antenna post in a given sector of responsibility. Burst of pulses emitted with the help of OI-125 groups is able to constantly change their parameters within the framework of a given program, placing spatial interference on the enemy’s GOS. In the case of a uniform location of the OI-125 around the antenna post at a distance of 300 meters, the enemy’s missiles are effectively moved to a distance that is safe for the antenna post. During the shelling of the complex in landfill conditions with anti-radar missiles, none of them hit the target. An important factor is that the system КРТЗ-125-2М can be effectively used with any domestic air defense missile system.


Technical characteristics of the Pechora-2M air defense missile system:
range of working heights - 0,02-20 km;
maximum range of destruction of airborne targets at an altitude of 0,5 km: 20 km (for the 5В27 ЗР 22 km and for the 5ВХNUMXЕ ЗР 27ВXNUMX);
maximum range of destruction of air targets at an altitude of 5-20 km: 28 km (for the 5ВХNUMXД SAM) and 27 km (for the 32В5DE),
number of PU - 8 pcs. (16 rockets);
the number of simultaneously accompanied targets - 16;
the probability of hitting the target with an 1 th missile: at a distance of up to 25 km - 0,72-0,99, at a distance of 25-28 km - 0,51-0,99;
target detection range with EPR = 2 sq. m about 100 km, targets with EPR = 0,15 square. m about 50 km, in the absence of interference. When using active jamming noise - 40 km;
the time of bringing the complex into a combat position is 25 minutes.

Information sources:
http://www.arms-expo.ru/049050052048124051051057050055.html
http://www.dogswar.ru/artilleriia/raketnoe-oryjie/4476-zenitnyi-raketnyi-ko.html
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/1005
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  1. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 26 November 2013 09: 00
    16
    Well, what a long life, dear veteran. "Coronary bypass surgery" was successful. soldier
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 26 November 2013 11: 48
      -15 qualifying.
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      Well, what a long life, dear veteran. "Coronary bypass surgery" was successful. soldier

      How many grandmothers do not paint and powder, grandmother will remain.
      1. Proud.
        Proud. 26 November 2013 12: 39
        14
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        How many grandmothers do not paint and powder, grandmother will remain.

        What’s it, Lyovka. Sometimes there’s no time for grandmother to paint, there’s plenty of work around.
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 26 November 2013 13: 06
          -2
          Quote: Be proud.
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          How many grandmothers do not paint and powder, grandmother will remain.

          What’s it, Lyovka. Sometimes there’s no time for grandmother to paint, there’s plenty of work around.

          The photo is funny, there are no questions. But this is for laughs, but life is a little different.
          1. vadson
            vadson 26 November 2013 15: 39
            +1
            Namely, sit in f15,16 and on Pechora 2m? al bench press?
            1. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 26 November 2013 16: 28
              -3
              Quote: vadson
              Namely, sit in f15,16 and on Pechora 2m? al bench press?

              Easily.
      2. tank 34
        tank 34 26 November 2013 14: 15
        +5
        I disagree with Vovka-Levka. The capabilities of the S-125 are clearly demonstrated in Yugoslavia, and if there is an opportunity to extend its life and there is a demand for it, then why not
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 26 November 2013 15: 55
          +5
          Quote: tank 34
          I disagree with Vovka-Levka. The capabilities of the S-125 are clearly demonstrated in Yugoslavia, and if there is an opportunity to extend its life and there is a demand for it, then why not

          Air defense should close the coverage area. Closed in Yugoslavia? No. They did what they wanted. They flew according to a schedule, according to a template, self-confident, and only this led to the loss of aircraft. To carry out launches at random, on a television channel and then quickly unwind, that's the only thing left. The patriots .. are new, they would put the clever guys at the station, so that they would try on their own skin what it is. "Clever people".
          1. poquello
            poquello 26 November 2013 22: 05
            +3
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            Quote: tank 34
            I disagree with Vovka-Levka. The capabilities of the S-125 are clearly demonstrated in Yugoslavia, and if there is an opportunity to extend its life and there is a demand for it, then why not

            Air defense should close the area of ​​cover. In Yugoslavia closed? No. What they wanted, they did.


            And they destroyed 3 Serbian tanks.
            http://samlib.ru/w/wereshagin_o_n/stopnato.shtml
          2. Iglesias
            Iglesias 29 October 2017 16: 39
            0
            The book "Change" was published in Russian, the military diary of Yugoslav Air Defense Colonel George Anichich. Personal notes of a participant in the hostilities against aviation of NATO countries against the background of related events and human relations. The combat work of the S-125 division on the destruction of the invisible aircraft F-117A and B-2A in the spring of 1999 is described in detail. The book was translated into Russian in 2016. The book has 290 pages, A5 format, original photos, soft laminated cover. ISBN 978-5-4469-1108-0. The number of books is limited, the circulation is 200 copies. The price is 500 rubles.
            [email protected]
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 26 November 2013 16: 41
        +6
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Quote: 1c-inform-city
        Well, what a long life, dear veteran. "Coronary bypass surgery" was successful. soldier

        How many grandmothers do not paint and powder, grandmother will remain.


        this is a grandmother whose teeth are made of tungsten carbide, and instead of glasses, a thermal imager. so I do not advise her to threaten her finger, even in the dark.
  2. Strashila
    Strashila 26 November 2013 09: 17
    +5
    Everything is new ... well-forgotten old. One feels the developers take into account the experience of recent conflicts.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 26 November 2013 09: 39
      11
      quote-Pechora-2M air defense missile system has the ability to interface with higher KP and remote radars using telecode channels. The use of a complex of radio-technical protection against anti-radar missiles of the enemy and the remoteness of the control cabin from the antenna post provide increased survivability of the air defense systems on the battlefield. The approach that the Defense Systems enterprise has demonstrated during the modernization of Pechora makes it possible to create quite modern weapons based on C-125 at relatively low costs.

  3. avt
    avt 26 November 2013 09: 59
    +6
    good There is nothing good to disappear when export can earn money, well, save it just in case.
  4. P-15
    P-15 26 November 2013 11: 40
    +8
    The smoking room is still alive)) I had the opportunity to serve on it for the first year of military service.
    1. sergeschern
      sergeschern 17 February 2015 10: 58
      0
      And I in 1978. An old little thing.
  5. Gost
    Gost 26 November 2013 11: 51
    +1
    Is this just a commercial project or will they be put into service with the Russian Federation?
  6. crambol
    crambol 26 November 2013 11: 56
    +3
    And what is this krakozyabr?
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 26 November 2013 12: 44
      +6
      This is a C-125-2М anti-aircraft missile guidance station. In the original version it was towed.
      1. crambol
        crambol 26 November 2013 16: 01
        +4
        Well, a monster!
    2. family tree
      family tree 26 November 2013 17: 34
      +2
      Quote: Bongo
      This is a C-125-2М anti-aircraft missile guidance station. In the original version it was towed.

      More precisely, the antenna post. The cabs are not visible in the photographs.
      1. family tree
        family tree 26 November 2013 17: 56
        +2
        This is a cabin, UNK-2M. On the "Neva", on the semi-trailer wheels, there were hydraulic motors, to increase the cross-country ability, I don't know now.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 27 November 2013 05: 45
      +3
      Quote: crambol
      And what is this krakozyabr?
      CHP radar, according to NATO's Low Blow designation, which translates as "blow below the belt." Obviously, this is how NATO strategists and air war tactics felt about him, realizing that you can't break through at low altitudes anymore.

      And if you compare with the original and competing systems then:
      Good:
      - Finally, we put a hydraulic crane on the TPM, there is no more need to "push" the handle at the winch.
      - SNR and UNK on self-propelled chassis, patency should be better than that of trailers / semi-trailers of the old version.
      - EEC is half as much. Obviously fewer operators are required.
      Not very good:
      - 2-beam PU on wheels. I prefer the Polish version - 4-beam launchers on the T-55 chassis. When deploying, each control unit must be connected, horizontally aligned, oriented, set the closing angles. It’s faster to deploy 4 than 8. Moreover, it seems that the Poles have automated leveling. For a stationary complex, it’s not very important, but if positioned as mobile, then this is tangible.
      Polish version of modernization of PU

      Dont clear:
      Where do they get energy? Is there an autonomous generator, or from the network?

      But in general, the height of the Soviet engineering school is again visible. The development of the 1950s, but such a potential for modernization is laid that today (naturally after the upgrade) is relevant.
  7. Clueless
    Clueless 26 November 2013 12: 00
    +2
    I don’t understand the air defense systems, but I can’t understand why such asphalt wheels are installed on the machines, given that the air defense systems are placed somewhere in the field - or are they URAL dragging them around the field in rains and in winter on a tie?
  8. Clueless
    Clueless 26 November 2013 12: 01
    0
    I don’t understand the air defense systems, but I can’t understand why such asphalt wheels are installed on the machines, given that the air defense systems are placed somewhere in the field - or are they URAL dragging them around the field in rains and in winter on a tie?
  9. makarov
    makarov 26 November 2013 12: 13
    +1
    Although this is a kind of "old woman Izergil", it will still serve.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 26 November 2013 17: 52
      +2
      Modernize - YES!, New build, perhaps not. Or do Pechera have advantages over the latest complexes?
  10. berimor
    berimor 26 November 2013 12: 22
    14
    "Is this just a commercial project or will the RF also enter service?"
    SAM "PECHORA" is only a commercial project.
    We referred to it as "NEVA".
    And the complex in the early 70s was very good! I fought on it in Egypt in 1970-1971 and in Syria in 1973. There it (under the name "PECHORA") proved to be a very effective and reliable complex.
  11. 1969s9691g.
    1969s9691g. 26 November 2013 13: 11
    +2
    klasno.Ved V-52 and Tu-95 are already in service.
  12. P-15
    P-15 26 November 2013 15: 17
    +4
    A good complex for its time, given the likelihood of hitting a target of 0,98 and tracking the target on television-optical (TCE) channels. It was a breakthrough that greatly changed the nature and outcome of the Vietnam War.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 26 November 2013 15: 25
      +1
      He in Vietnam massively used?
      1. P-15
        P-15 26 November 2013 15: 48
        +2
        The first application was in Vietnam, but not in large quantities)) This complex for that time was very secret, but there were isolated cases. And so, in large quantities they began to be used in Egypt and Syria in the early 70's. Our deputy armed with the brigade fought on them in Syria.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 26 November 2013 15: 50
          +1
          Here I am about the same, your previous comment is not quite correct. He could not change the nature and outcome of the war in Vietnam much.
      2. sivuch
        sivuch 27 November 2013 10: 45
        +2
        In Vietnam, the 125th got into hats, although Soviet advisers asked them to be sent back in 69, and so the SA-75 was conquered throughout the war (not to be confused with the S-75)
  13. xomaNN
    xomaNN 26 November 2013 16: 05
    +1
    And I have no doubt that if an adequate price for this air defense system has been assigned, there will be demand. Poor countries in the world who want to have some sort of air defense in the distance. Well done Petersburgers!
  14. loki565
    loki565 26 November 2013 16: 31
    +1
    Even the S400 does not have such a fierce radar
  15. Urri
    Urri 26 November 2013 17: 06
    +7
    Quote: crambol
    And what is this krakozyabr?


    You yourself are krakozyabr. A man for 3 years thought through the scheme of deploying the antenna unit on one machine. Fucked with getting rid of the swing when moving the dead center months to a cold sweat. The lever system of lifting with gaps no more than 3 mm. with an effort of 120 tons. You do not know - do not scribble. At the wind speeds laid down in the TK, say thank you that it generally costs, and even is induced at a frantic angular speed, + folds / unfolds in 7 minutes and moves along the intersection in one car. And the tires there are necessary, even for the desert.
  16. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 26 November 2013 17: 34
    +1
    I wonder how many Israeli air attack weapons were shot down by the Syrians of this very "Pechera-2M"?
  17. propolsky
    propolsky 26 November 2013 17: 35
    0
    There are buyers, and the idea of ​​squeezing the maximum out of the system with the upgrade is absolutely correct!
  18. ded10041948
    ded10041948 26 November 2013 18: 07
    +1
    The S-125 complex has never been "Pechora". Its name is "Neva" with a corresponding alphanumeric index. The Afrikos called the S-75 complex (the Desna variant) "Pechora", with the "P" cabin (antenna post) "modified", who devil knows whose request. The revision consisted in installing a "wide" beam of the cockpit over the antenna, in which the soldier was sitting and VISUALLY (!!!!!!), using the refueling complex and the synchro communication, guided the cockpit to the target. So to speak, the prototype of the television optical sight. Idiocy is still the same!
    1. family tree
      family tree 26 November 2013 18: 11
      +2
      Quote: ded10041948
      The S-125 complex has never been "Pechora". Its name is "Neva"

      "Pechora" - export version of "Neva"
      1. postman
        postman 26 November 2013 21: 21
        0
        Quote: perepilka
        The S-125 complex has never been "Pechora". Its name is "Neva"

        Quote: perepilka
        "Pechora" - export version of "Neva"


        EVERYTHING DEPENDS on what "comes" after "Pechora"

        1.Modernization of the S-75.

        Along with the project "Pechera-"the project" Volga-2A "was also developed. Typical was the unification of 95% of circuit solutions and the developed equipment. Materials of the preliminary design "Volga-2A" (not implemented):
        2. USSR supplies of air defense property of the country abroad (by country)
        / PICTURE DOES NOT ATTEMPT I CAN SEND a screenshot /
        3. USSR supplies of air defense property of the country abroad (by types of weapons)
        / PICTURE DOES NOT ATTEMPT I CAN SEND a screenshot /
        4. Deliveries of S-125 "Pechora" to foreign countries (by Jeans)
        Deliveries of Desna (Dvina) air defense systems abroad Deliveries of Volkhov air defense systems abroad
  19. max702
    max702 26 November 2013 19: 31
    0
    And the time to bring into combat state 25 minutes is not too much? And what does it depend on? Is this a purely mechanical problem (power and durability of drives) or is it somehow connected with electronics?
    1. family tree
      family tree 26 November 2013 22: 26
      +1
      Quote: max702
      And the time to bring into combat state 25 minutes is not too much?

      what The old S-125 with four-rocket cannons and an antenna post on a trailer, such as in winter, from 4.00 to 8.00, after the march was deployed and it seemed to fit into the norm request
      1. atillaxnumx
        atillaxnumx 6 February 2014 23: 18
        0
        That's for sure. And even if it’s 25-30C on the street. I served in Murmansk.
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  20. Hedgehog
    Hedgehog 26 November 2013 20: 04
    +2
    Like it or not, the complex has outlived its own. To defeat modern goals, and this is for example gifts from the US military-industrial complex. Pechora will not work. With such a max. with a range of detection and defeat it beyond simply can be destroyed with the help of KR. But on export you can earn and buy even less, but brand new S-400s.
    1. postman
      postman 26 November 2013 22: 56
      +4
      Quote: Hedgehog
      . To defeat modern goals, and this is for example gifts from the US military-industrial complex. Pechora will not work.

      R&D "Atlant"
      "Double-N"
      SPK Modernization Project (Raven)
      SAM "S-125" with a homing channel (based on ZR V-601P, based on ZR V-500RD)
      Report on the study of the possibility of increasing the performance characteristics of the S-125 complex with the V-601PD missile for combating anti-missile defense of the ALKM type
      Report on research tests of the S-125M air defense system on the assessment of the possibility of defeating winged missiles of the ALKM type
      Investigation of the possibility of reducing the lower boundary of the combat use of the S-125 complex to a height of 50 meters
      Study of the possibility of further improving the characteristics of the system-125. "(Topic 15-4-65 NII-2 MO, code" Light ").
      Report on the results of flights of the "Neva" system with a MIG 21bis aircraft, performing a maneuver in a vertical plane from low altitudes to attack the position of the air defense missile system.
      etc.
      Believe me, this "old woman" is still too early for a "write-off"
      At least: Act on the results of firing tests of the S-125 complex on surface radar visible targets.

      Quote: Hedgehog
      With such a max. range of detection and defeat

      ?
      9K317 Buk-M2 medium-range anti-aircraft missile system
      and other short and medium range can be "thrown out"?
  21. NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 26 November 2013 20: 26
    +2
    Quote: berimor
    "Is this just a commercial project or will the RF also enter service?"
    SAM "PECHORA" is only a commercial project.
    We referred to it as "NEVA".
    And the complex in the early 70s was very good! I fought on it in Egypt in 1970-1971 and in Syria in 1973. There it (under the name "PECHORA") proved to be a very effective and reliable complex.

    I watched the work with-125 back in 1968 at the Osheluk training ground, I worked very well.
  22. NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 26 November 2013 20: 26
    +1
    Quote: berimor
    "Is this just a commercial project or will the RF also enter service?"
    SAM "PECHORA" is only a commercial project.
    We referred to it as "NEVA".
    And the complex in the early 70s was very good! I fought on it in Egypt in 1970-1971 and in Syria in 1973. There it (under the name "PECHORA") proved to be a very effective and reliable complex.

    I watched the work with-125 back in 1968 at the Osheluk training ground, I worked very well.
  23. Current 72
    Current 72 26 November 2013 23: 43
    +2
    I’m not an expert in this field, but I think that what’s being done is for the better. This means that jobs will be created that are currently lacking, and maybe on this basis something will be even more advanced. Good luck and success all developers and modernizers.
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  25. okroshka79
    okroshka79 27 November 2013 01: 28
    +3
    I served on the ship's version of the C-125, the Volna air defense missile system, even in the tube version. Eh, and somersaulted in combat service in the Mediterranean Sea and in Cuba with its 4R-90 control system, did not descend from the VChB post for days, but all the same, I really respect this complex.
  26. papik09
    papik09 27 November 2013 02: 43
    +4
    Quote: Geisenberg
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Quote: 1c-inform-city
    Well, what a long life, dear veteran. "Coronary bypass surgery" was successful. soldier

    How many grandmothers do not paint and powder, grandmother will remain.


    this is a grandmother whose teeth are made of tungsten carbide, and instead of glasses, a thermal imager. so I do not advise her to threaten her finger, even in the dark.

    This grandmother will take a pen to the crematorium, and then a monument
    will put laughing
  27. lelyk72
    lelyk72 27 November 2013 18: 26
    +3
    I want to remind those who say that it’s time to write off this old woman, that far from all countries have PAK-FA and even Su-27. And for older planes, Pechora, in my opinion, is a serious opponent.
    1. atillaxnumx
      atillaxnumx 6 February 2014 22: 36
      0
      I agree. At one time, C 125 proved to be in the jungle of Vietnam