Announced the creation of a new air defense system family "Thor"

In August, at the international aerospace salon MAKS-2013, Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation presented its new development. At one of the stands of the corporation there was a mock-up of the rocket and a transport and launch container for it. On the rocket itself there was an RZV-MD index, on the container - 9М338К. The index indicated on the transport and launch container said that Tactical Missile Armament and Vympel GosMKB for the first time showed a new rocket for anti-aircraft missiles of the Tor family. At the exhibition booth was present information about the ammunition, confirming this assumption. However, there was no official information about the ownership of the RZV-MD missile complex “Thor”.

Only two and a half months later, official information appeared about the new anti-aircraft missile system, which will use the ammunition shown at the MAKS-2013 exhibition. A few days ago, S.Druzin, deputy general director of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern on scientific and technical development, told RIA News about work on a new project. The Tor-М2 air defense system is a continuation of the well-known line of missile systems and is designed for air defense of troops on the march and in positions. A number of measures were taken as part of the new project, which made it possible to significantly increase the potential of the anti-aircraft complex. First of all, there is an increased range of destruction of targets, as well as twice as much ammunition compared to previous air defense systems of the “Th” family.

In late October, the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern conducted firing, which confirmed the characteristics of the new anti-aircraft missile system. According to S. Drugin, the results of these tests suggest the creation of a unique anti-aircraft complex for its class with tremendous characteristics. During the tests, the Tor-M2 complex showed a unique accuracy when firing at a range greater than the target. Thus, when shooting at five targets of the Saman type, three were destroyed by a direct hit by an anti-aircraft missile. The remaining conditional targets were hit by a stream of shrapnel.

In the near future, the possibility of changing the methods of combat work of the new air defense system may be considered. At present, the combat vehicle must make a short stop for a rocket launch, no more than 2-3 seconds. Recent tests have shown that in the future, the Tor-M2 complex is capable of launching an anti-aircraft missile on the move. Studies of such opportunities may begin soon.

Work on the Tor-M2 anti-aircraft missile system with the 9М338К rocket continued for several years. The annual report of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern for 2008 a year indicated the completion of state tests of the Tor-M2 air defense system with the 9М331 rocket, as well as comprehensive preliminary tests of this complex with the 9М338К rocket. In 2009, the concern continued to test new products, and in 2012, state tests of the 9K331М anti-aircraft complex with the 9М338К rocket were conducted. Thus, the available information about the timing of the tests and the latest information about the Tor-M2 complex allows us to speculate about its early adoption, as well as about the start of mass production of combat vehicles and missiles of the new model.

Currently available information about the upgraded anti-aircraft missile system and the new rocket provide an opportunity to present their overall appearance. The development of the complex itself was carried out by the Moscow Scientific Research Electromechanical Institute (NIEMI), which is part of the Almaz-Antey State Design Bureau named after A.A. Raspletin. The 9М338К rocket was developed by the Vympel GosMKB. Serial production of combat vehicles of the Tor-M2 complex is expected to be deployed at the Kupol Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant, and the Avitek enterprise (Kirov) will be engaged in assembling the missiles.

In terms of its size and weight, the 9М338К rocket is almost the same as the previous ammunition of the Tor family. An anti-aircraft missile of the new model is supplied in a transport-launch container (TLC) with a length of 2,94 meter and diameter of 0,24 m. The weight of the TPC with a rocket is 163 kilogram. The solid propellant provides the rocket with a flight speed of up to 1000 m / s. The maximum target destruction range is declared at the level of 16 km, the maximum height is 10 km. The 9М338К rocket uses a radio command guidance system.

Back in August, after the first display of the layout of the new rocket, there were suggestions about a serious change in its layout. The fact is that the demonstrated RZV-MD rocket, in contrast to previous ammunition for the Tor system, does not have any rudders or wings in the forward part of the hull. However, in the tail section there are four fixed wings and four turning steering wheels. There are also engines of declination, used at launch to rotate the rocket in the right direction. Thus, the 9М338К rocket is, at a minimum, a deep upgrade of existing products, if not a completely new development.

As follows from the available information, during the creation of a new anti-aircraft missile complex, a self-propelled launcher has undergone major changes. According to official data, the ammunition load of the Tor-M2 vehicle is doubled, i.e. combat vehicle simultaneously transports 16 missiles. Given the fact that the dimensions of the TPC missiles of the new model correspond to the size of the old containers, we can talk about changing the layout of the internal volumes of the combat vehicle. For ease of operation, the anti-aircraft missile complexes of the “Thor” family of TPK are assembled into packages, each of which contains four containers. Thus, the "Top-M2" is equipped with four packages, rather than two, as it was in the previous complexes of the family.

Available information on the project to create a new air defense missile system with a promising rocket 9М338К suggests that mass production of combat vehicles and ammunition may begin in the very near future. Nevertheless, there is no official information about the planned dates for the start of production and supply to the troops of new complexes and missiles.


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Comments

[Ivan79]

Great news, do not stand still. A new missile in TOREC by enemy aircraft.

[badger1974]

if they didn’t specify, then Thor is an old Wasp with a new old (USSR) LV three-point guidance system, as old as the world, minus the article in words, minus the sky, read the comments

[mehanik27]

Well, TOR is not really an old OSA, but succession is being traced. But such nuances are not interesting to a hamster. Therefore, cons will fly now)))))

[aszzz888]

However, there is no official information on the planned dates for the start of production and delivery of new complexes and missiles to the troops.

It's a pity. As always, the first seed, and then the ends you will not find who is the last in the supplies and their timing.

[Russ69]

Quote: aszzz888

It's a pity. As always, the first seed, and then the ends you will not find who is the last in the supplies and their timing.

If the supply will be, then no earlier than 16 years. For 20114, everything is already scheduled.

[31231]

In the development and production of air defense, it’s not like we are standing still.

[1c-inform-city]

A good complex, if only the Shell wouldn’t crush everything. Everything should be balanced.

[viruskvartirus]

Thanks to Pantsyr, this car appeared ... all the same, competition is a strong thing.

[smprofi]

Quote: viruskvartirus

Thanks to Pantsyr, this car appeared

this is such a fright?
OCD "Roman" (with the "development" of which appeared "PantsYr") began later

Quote: viruskvartirus

A good complex, if only the Shell wouldn’t crush everything. Everything should be balanced.

"PantsYr" "Torah" loses in full, but here it is not so much performance characteristics that play a role as political games

[PLO]

"PantsYr" "Torah" loses in full, but here it is not so much performance characteristics that play a role as political games

while yes, no doubt, but some comrades from KBP are threatening to soon issue a new super missile that will be no worse and cheaper than 9M338K

[smprofi]

Quote: olp

threaten to soon issue a new super SAM

complex, and the conversation is about the complex, it’s good only when all the parts in it are good.
super missiles absolutely does not solve anything if the radar is blind and is able to see only a target with an RCS of at least 1 m². with such "capabilities" "PantsYr" is only suitable for fighting VOPs and attack aircraft on the battlefield. but he is not able to do this either, because the KamAZ chassis will not allow to accompany either tanks or motorized riflemen. and shooting on the move is impossible. and "short stops" ... and how long does it take for "PantsYr" to stand on the supports?
in general, as was the "Roman" no, that's how "PantsYr" remained. from renaming nothing has changed

[PLO]

complex, and we are talking about the complex, good only when all the parts are good in it.
Super SAM does not solve anything at all if the radar is blind and is able to see only a target with an RCS of at least 1 m². with such "capabilities" "PantsYr" is only suitable for fighting VOPs and attack aircraft on the battlefield. but he is not capable of that either

Which radar do you mean? there are two of them

but he is not able to do this either, because the KamAZ chassis will not allow to accompany either tanks or motorized riflemen. and shooting on the move is impossible. and "short stops" ... and how long does it take for "PantsYr" to stand on the supports?
in general, as was the "Roman" no, that's how "PantsYr" remained. from renaming nothing has changed

and here the KAMAZ chassis, if there is an option with a caterpillar.
both complexes can’t shoot in motion at the moment, if it’s technically difficult for Thor to shoot a zur, shooting for the Shell is just marketing, because while he has difficulty shooting while standing

[poquello]

Quote: smprofi

... The armor "is only suitable for fighting VOPs and attack aircraft on the battlefield. But it is not capable of doing this either, because the KamAZ chassis will not allow escorting either tanks or motorized riflemen. And shooting on the move is impossible. And" short stops ".. How long does it take for "PantsYr" to stand on the supports?
in general, as was the "Roman" no, that's how "PantsYr" remained. from renaming nothing has changed

Oh well

[badger1974]

carapace and tor complexes of different categories, it’s strange how you thought of comparing them to yourself

[Onyx]

Quote: 1c-inform-city

A good complex, if only the Shell wouldn’t crush everything. Everything should be balanced.

The carapace is not supplied to the SV; it is for East Kazakhstan and Air Defense Forces

[poquello]

Quote: Onyx

Quote: 1c-inform-city

A good complex, if only the Shell wouldn’t crush everything. Everything should be balanced.

The carapace is not supplied to the SV; it is for East Kazakhstan and Air Defense Forces

For SV, it has not yet been finalized.

[Onyx]

Quote: poquello

For SV, it has not yet been finalized.

Isn't that the one on the tracked platform? Maybe. I even forgot about it. Will they buy Torahs for East Kazakhstan region?

[PLO]

For SV, it has not yet been finalized.

everything has been finalized; just the Shell compared to even the old Tom-M1-2U could not demonstrate that it is better, Thor shot better even with the old 9M331 missile, with the new 9M338 the gap became even greater.

so I hope Tor-M2 will go to the air defense

[poquello]

Quote: olp

For SV, it has not yet been finalized.

everything has been finalized; just the Shell compared to even the old Tom-M1-2U could not demonstrate that it is better, Thor shot better even with the old 9M331 missile, with the new 9M338 the gap became even greater.

so I hope Tor-M2 will go to the air defense

M_l_ya, what year is it today? Long memory is worse than an ailment. And the machines are somewhat different, if they didn’t take the torus, it means that it was underdeveloped, and trying to replace the shell with the torus is IMHO strange.
I read in 2017 the release of shells for land and landing is planned.

[PLO]

if they didn’t take the torus, it means that he was underworking

Tor-M1-2U was not purchased in large quantities only because the 9M338 missile was not yet ready, and with the old Tor-M1 missiles there are relatively many troops

I read in 2017 the release of shells for land and landing is planned.

yeah after thursday thursday

[smprofi]

official information

Yes, this is not a lot. there are only the words of Sergey Druzin, deputy head for scientific and technical development of the Almaz-Antey concern:

We are preparing their serial production. We are already manufacturing combat vehicles for the complex. This part has been worked out with us.

He noted that these complexes are in the state armament program until 2020.

as for novelty ... and created ...

In order for the Tor-M2 air defense system to fully solve the tasks of a promising short-range air defense system with the minimality of the cost-effectiveness functional, back in 1990-1991 A competition was held to develop an anti-aircraft missile for this complex. The competition - under the pressure of the GRAU - was won by the Vympel NGO. It proposed 9M338 missiles with a distant boundary of the affected area of ​​20 km, a vertical launch and a combined control method - tele-flight in flight and homing in the final section using an infrared passive homing head (IR seeker). At the same time, 16 missiles with a mass of about 110 kg and a warhead of more than 16 kg each, with a readiness for launch of 3 s and an average speed of flight to the far boundary of the affected area of ​​at least 600 m / s, were supposed to be placed in the combat vehicle. The specified missiles were to be developed on the basis of an already created air-to-air missile and it was supposed to be created in short (three to four years) terms.

in general, it turns out like this: R&D, begun under the Soviet Union, is finally over. less than 25 years. another 5 years ... and, possibly, the complex will appear in service.

it seems to me that if SO were developing an atomic bomb in the Soviet Union, for example, then it would have guaranteed not to have appeared in 1949.

[Evgeny_Lev]

And what is it that under the USSR?
Did she get worse from this?

About AB, do you propose to shoot for proyope?

[smprofi]

those. 25 years in R&D - is it garbage?
Well then, in fact, there’s nothing to talk about

[Monster_Fat]

I am a little familiar with defense production and I can say that the main trouble in our defense industry is the destruction of the PRODUCTION CHAIN ​​as such. The fact is that in Soviet times there was a so-called. pilot production, pilot production and batch production. Let me explain on my fingers: some research institute developed some kind of weapon model and on the basis of ITS PRODUCTION, that is, there were always small industrial complexes at the research institute, they made a prototype, brought it to mind, and if it was adopted, then it was transferred to experimental production enterprises where the sample of weapons was adjusted taking into account large-scale production, standardization and metrology, the capabilities and wishes of subcontractors, etc. were taken into account. A pilot batch was produced, a pre-production batch was tested, revised and, then, a completely prepared production process was transferred to batch production enterprises. Therefore, finished products could be assembled in large batches at several production sites. Based on the experience of application and operation in parts of the experimental production enterprise, the necessary changes and improvements were made. The research institutes, together with their experimental production, were exempted from further work on this weapon model and could already develop a new model. It was an extremely effective system that allowed for the rapid design, testing and production of a large number of weapons. Now this whole system is completely destroyed. We are left with scattered separate research institutes without their own pilot production (safely sold out in order to survive) or separate experimental production plants. Therefore, it is impossible to produce something in large volumes at these small and disparate enterprises. All these small enterprises, literally "files" manually release products in units per year, that is, this is just the kind of production that in Soviet times would be called "experimental" or "experimental". About any "large-scale" production, now, there can be no talk. All the train is gone.

[okroshka79]

Yes, the news is very good! And that "Armor" is not suitable for "Torah", it was clear to everyone who was "in the subject" and without the video courtesy of smprofi. Now, if only politically committed figures from the military-industrial complex would not put a spoke in the wheel of the supply of "Tora-M2" to the troops. And yet, maybe now the Navy will start modernizing its "Daggers".

[badger1974]

just add, the new - old Thor is a Wasp, with the same diseases

[sivuch]

Well, it’s better not to post nonsense. In essence, the general thing with Osa is only the manufacturer and the guidance system (although there are nuances)

[vlad_pr]

In a very old book "My Memories" (not at hand), twice Lieutenant General (of the Russian Empire, and then the USSR), Academician Andrei Nikolaevich Krylov (based on the works and reflections of Admiral Stepan Osipovich Makarov and other Russian scientists, naval commanders and military leaders) , wrote at the beginning of the 20th century about the development of the Navy, the Theory of unsinkability, etc. But the principles underlying the armament, supply structure and operations of the Navy are still universal. Since there is no primary source at hand, I approximate it for the entire army (I think it's fair). Armament does not have to be the most super-duper and in huge quantities, but it must be balanced, and in sufficient quantity to inflict irreparable damage on the enemy, protect the Fatherland, and lead to further defeat of the enemy, and forcing him to stop all sorts of "dastardly" actions ... Something like this. Unfortunately, we are just starting to recover. It is very easy to learn to steal, "break the margin". It is very difficult to be decent, not everyone can withstand "Copper pipes" and "loot", according to my observations, 85 out of 100 breaks. Very many will be able to return to the "benefit for the Motherland" with difficulty, since the financial filter is extremely powerful. But still, despite the spells about optimization, I want to believe that the much-needed weapons will appear in our Armed Forces in sufficient quantities and without much delay.
Sincerely.
PS. I apologize for the verbosity, rolled.

[smprofi]

Quote: vlad_pr

Many people will be able to return to the "benefit for the Motherland"

yes at a time!

Rostec confirmed the appointment of Serdyukov as a general manager of the state holding company

© http://www.itar-tass.com/politika/759250

The defendant in the Oboronservis case Evgenia Vasilyeva got a job as a lawyer at the Gridnev & Partners Law Office.

© http://lifenews.ru/#!news/122875

[vlad_pr]

My quote "To return to the" benefit for the Motherland "very many can hardly, because the financial filter is extremely powerful."
- These did not return, these were returned, as the prime minister said, he knows them as effective managers, he is not sure for the accuracy of the quote.
Sincerely.

[maanima]

I read this article and watched the video attached to it - "SAM TOP - M2". I was especially (unpleasantly) interested in the captions at the end of the video concerning the Pantsir system. I remembered the program "Polygon" about the same "Shell" (questions about the system arise) and a huge number of exceptionally positive mentions (possibly deserved), again about him, about "shell". All this resembles the situation on domestic TV, when long before the appearance of the next "long-awaited" series, from "director !!!," creator ... ", etc. (and later it turns out that the movie (show) is so-so or even d - mo), the viewer will clearly understand that the film is undoubtedly a masterpiece and he (the viewer) can only be stunned with delight, watch and, most often, make sure of the opposite.Country security is not a movie and biased advertising, it is inappropriate and criminal here, so the same as dishonest pushing their products in. But what is appropriate and necessary is healthy competition.

[poquello]

Quote: maanima

I read this article and watched the video attached to it - "SAM TOP - M2". I was especially (unpleasantly) interested in the captions at the end of the video concerning the Pantsir system. I remembered the program "Polygon" about the same "Shell" (questions about the system arise) and a huge number of extremely positive mentions (possibly deserved), again about him, about "shell" ...

He also watched the video, which pleased us - our people learned how to dirty PR no worse than the Americans. The text of the text is based on the nagging of the rejected Torovites, and retouched to the level of overt obscurity. A good car tor, but for other tasks. Well, to the heap about the shell and corn
“The crew of the Tu-95 ms long-range aviation bomber launched a cruise missile at a target located at a distance of 800 kilometers. The combat crews of the Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems successfully coped with the task, preventing the destruction of the covered object, hitting the target with two missiles. "

[mithridate]

the main thing is that undercover fuss does not ruin good undertakings

[poquello]

"As for Egypt, some contracts have already been signed, in particular on air defense systems, some are still under discussion. Various military equipment, including helicopters and airplanes, are being discussed," Chemezov said.

Such is the good news.

About gavnopantsiri, IMHO in the video there is an outspoken chatter, but everything is in the subject.

[egsp]

This makes me happy. We are waiting for a short time in the S-300B4 troops (the hype in the media has completely passed) and the Buk-M3.

[mehanik27]

What kind of troops ??? 7A meaning? Khomyakov fed tales, stole money, why else send something to the troops))))))

[badger1974]

a big na ... in, it’s a pity that the designers after Osa didn’t do that, and please do not confuse H.Y. with a finger, Osa (Tor) and the shell (broadsword in the Navy) are different complexes in a number of tasks, although and close on guidance