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In Ukraine, private companies are engaged in the modernization of armored vehicles

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At the time of the collapse of the USSR, thousands of enterprises in the military industrial complex of Ukraine included 3,5. There were about 700 factories that produced only military products. But after the declaration of independence, as in the entire post-Soviet space, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex began to rapidly deteriorate: the number of defense enterprises declined by a factor of 5, and the defense complex for machine builders reduced the order by seven times. Now the Ukrainian military-industrial complex consists of research institutes, enterprises, repair factories that work as co-contractors and mainly for the Russian military-industrial complex. Unfortunately, Ukraine does not have a single production system capable of producing final military products. The situation is worsening due to the fact that Russia's efforts to create autonomous cycles for the creation of new weapons are very successful.


Nevertheless, Ukraine manages to receive orders for the supply of armored vehicles that are very beneficial for the country's defense industry. Having extensive practical experience and documentation on production tanks, even Soviet models, such as T64, T-72, T-55, T-62, Ukrainian manufacturers learned to modify these models according to the technical specifications of the contracts. And the leading Ukrainian enterprises producing armored vehicles for the needs of Ukraine and foreign partners is the Kharkiv Plant named after Malysheva.

At the same time, the media often gets information about another problem related to the fulfillment of the terms of contracts concluded with foreign customers. For example, in 2001, a grand scandal erupted over the delivery to Jordan of fifty BTR-94 armored personnel carriers (modernized Soviet BTR-80) manufactured at the Yakovlev factory. Malysheva. In 90% of the equipment supplied, the Jordanians revealed defects: oil and fuel leaks, faulty brakes and filters. The Jordanians are confident that they have delivered converted old APCs. In connection with these circumstances, Jordan sued the Ukrainian side for the payment of penalties for a fairly significant amount of $ 400 million.

Today, the Ukrainian authorities are constantly looking for ways, if not strengthening, then at least restoring their military-industrial complex.

Former Minister of Defense of Ukraine (2005-2007) A. Gritsenko has repeatedly voiced his opinion on the issue of improving the competitiveness of Ukrainian military equipment on the world market. He believed that the only way was the privatization of enterprises of the military-industrial complex. According to him, if the state is unable to maintain its military-industrial complex, let the business do it.

A. Gritsenko argued that if you do not privatize most of the enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, Ukraine will never stay on the international arms market.

Today, Kiev has not made a formal decision on this issue, but behind the scenes, the proposal of a military official has found practical application. And one of the pioneers in this experiment, it seems, was the company "Tehimpeks". Having received "in some way" several dozens of Soviet-made armored vehicles, the company began to develop projects for the conversion of military equipment in accordance with modern world standards. It should be noted that for the state such research and production developments are practically financially unaffordable, and the business has calculated everything perfectly. And most importantly, commercial companies found the funds that they invested in the implementation of a promising project.

It should be noted that only the tacit support of the authorities allowed the company "Tehimpeks" to place a dozen tanks near the Ukrainian village Zasupoivka (this is a hundred kilometers from Kiev), fenced off the territory and set up militarized guards. The merchants did not even stop the fact that the land they “seized” is being rented by the agricultural producer V. Gopkalo. And what can agrarians do against a company that owns military equipment, albeit not new, but still operational, and with the support of government officials. The merchants, in fact, do not need to hide their work: “Techimpex” officially deals with the modernization and repair of military equipment.

One of the leaders of the company "Techimpex" once again confirmed that their company modifies armored vehicles and other weapons made back in the 80-s.

We must pay tribute to the professional specialists of Tehimpex, who are developing their own options for the modernization of military equipment that fell into their hands. For example, the modernization of the reconnaissance patrol vehicle BRDM-2T by the skilled craftsmen of “Tehimpex” led to the fact that the technical characteristics were significantly improved and significant changes were introduced into the basic design of the vehicle - and all this at minimal cost. Thus, the carburetor engine GAZ-41, installed on the base version of the BRDM-2T, was replaced with a diesel D-245.30-2. This solution not only increased engine power, but also reduced fuel consumption by 10%. If such a revision had been made earlier, then it would have been possible to avoid multiple fires at the BRDM-2, who fought as part of the Ukrainian peacekeeping forces in Iraq. Specialists of the company "Techimpex" also installed new side hatches, which will speed up and secure dismounting of combat groups. Additionally, Kevlar anti-shatter protection was installed inside the car, and air conditioner installation was also provided.

And this is only information on one of the converted models.

The state and commercial business of modifying combat vehicles in Ukraine is quite profitable: there are many customers in both the CIS countries and Africa. And not only. According to reports, in the armies of Slovakia, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Estonia, almost 100% of armored vehicles are still of the Soviet type. For example, military analysts claim that the ratio of Soviet and NATO armored vehicles in Romania is 2755 / 480, in Poland - 850 / 128. All Soviet equipment has long been in need of modernization and repair. This is a very voluminous and attractive market for Russian and Ukrainian manufacturers.

At the same time, it should be noted that it will be quite difficult for the Ukrainian side to compete with Russian enterprises in concluding contracts for the repair of armored vehicles with the countries of Eastern Europe. But his majesty can make his contribution to the seemingly so correct alignment — and the development of companies such as Techimpex will be able to find a buyer.

Modernization BRDM-2

After upgrading the BRDM-2T, the following positive effects were achieved:
1. Instead of a power unit with a carburetor engine GAZ-41, a power unit with a diesel engine D-245.30Е2 is installed, with:
increased total engine power kW (hp): it was 103 (140) became 115 (156);
increased total torque N.N. (kgf. m.): it was 350 (35,7) became 526 (53,7);
improved traction characteristics of the power unit, as the torque of a diesel engine with a decrease in revolutions varies slightly;
reduced fuel consumption by 5-10%.
Due to the use of diesel fuel, fire risk is reduced.

2. Installed new side doors (landing hatches) type BTR-70: increased speed of landing and safety during landing.

3. A radio station P-173 (P-173 (M)) is installed, instead of P-123: increased range and quality of communication.

4. Installed front and rear lights BTR-70.
5. Installed new wheels with tubeless tires.

Improved permeability on sandy and marshy soils.

6. Established standard armament: machine gun NSV-12,7 and PKT course.
7. A water jet propulsion unit is installed, which allows to overcome water obstacles more quickly.


As additional options on the BRDM-2T can be installed:
1. Kevlar splinter protection.
2. Combat modules equipped with different types weapons, means of aiming and detecting targets, according to your desire.
3. Air conditioning.











Modernization of the BTR-60

1. Instead of two power units with a GAZ-49B carburetor engine, two power units with a Cummins ISF 2.8 diesel engine are installed.

Replacing the power plant on the BTR-60 allowed to achieve the following indicators:

Increased the total power of the engine kW (hp): it was 138 (180) became 176,6 (240).
Increased total torque N. m .: it was 450, it became 590.
Improved traction characteristics of power units, as the torque of diesel engines with a decrease in revolutions varies slightly.
Reduced fuel consumption by 15-20%.
Due to the presence of speed controllers in diesel fuel pumps, the synchronization of two engines has been improved.
In connection with the use of diesel fuel reduced the risk of fire.
2. New side doors (landing hatches) were installed: the speed of landing and the safety of personnel during landing were increased.

3. The parking brake control system has been upgraded by installing a brake crane and a power accumulator:
in the absence of air in the pneumatic system of brakes, the parking brake is reliably braked by a power accumulator.

4. Installed radio station P-173 (P-173 (M) instead of P-123: increased range and quality of communication.

5. Installed front and rear lights BTR-80.
6. New KI-113 wheels with tubeless tires are installed.

Improved permeability on sandy and marshy soils.

7. Established standard weapons - machine guns KPVT and PKT.

As additional options for armored personnel carriers can be installed:
Kevlar splinter protection;
combat modules installed in place of the standard turret can be equipped with various types of weapons, means of aiming and target detection;
water jet, allowing you to quickly overcome water obstacles;
air conditioning system in the fighting compartment.



Modernization of the BTR-70

After upgrading the BTR-70, the following positive changes were obtained:
1. Instead of two power units with a ZM34905 carburetor engine, two power units with a D245.30EXNNXX diesel engine are installed, with:

Increased the total power of the engine kW (hp): it was 117 (240) became 229,2 (312).
Increased total torque N.N. (kgf. m.): it was 580 (58) became 1030 (103).
Improved traction characteristics of power units, as the torque of diesel engines with a decrease in revolutions varies slightly.
Reduced fuel consumption by 15-20%.
Due to the presence of speed controllers in diesel fuel pumps, the synchronization of two engines has been improved.
Due to the use of diesel fuel, fire risk is reduced.

2. Installed new side doors (landing hatches) type BTR80: increased speed of landing and safety during landing.

3. The parking brake control system has been upgraded by installing a brake crane and a power accumulator: in the absence of air in the pneumatic system of brakes, the parking brake is reliably braked by a power accumulator.

4. The radio station 1 73 (Р173 (M)) is installed instead of Р123: increased range and quality of communication.

5. Installed front and rear lights BTR80.
6. Installed new wheels with tubeless tires.

Improved permeability on sandy and marshy soils.

7. Established standard weapons - machine guns KPVT and PKT.

As additional options for armored personnel carriers can be installed:
Kevlar splinter protection.
Battle modules, at your request, equipped with various types of weapons, means of aiming and target detection.
Water jet that allows you to quickly overcome water obstacles.
Installed air conditioning.








Module on BT equipment

Proposed upgrade for BMP-1

This combat module developed by Techimpex is a promising development and is designed for installation on infantry fighting vehicles BMP-1.
The composition of weapons:
- 30-mm automatic gun - ZTM1 (2А72);
- anti-tank missile complex "Barrier";
- 7,62-mm PKT machine gun;
- 30-mm grenade launcher AG-17;
- 81-mm complex installation of smoke curtains - 902В "Cloud".
Ammunition:
- 30-mm shots to the gun - 300 pcs .;
- anti-tank missiles - 4;
- 7,62-mm cartridges - 2000 pcs .;
- 30-mm grenades - 120 pcs .;
- 81-mm charges ЗД6 - 6 pcs.
Fire control system:
- weapon stabilizer digital electromechanical;
- thermal imaging sight with day and night fields of view with a laser rangefinder.

Combat weight equipped module - 1700 kg.


In Ukraine, private companies are engaged in the modernization of armored vehicles


Proposed upgrades for the BRDM-2

This combat module developed by Techimpex is designed for installation on armored reconnaissance vehicles BRDM-2.
The composition of weapons:
- 12,7-mm heavy machine gun NSV-12,7;
- anti-tank missile complex "Barrier";
- 7,62-mm PKT machine gun;
- 30 mm AG-17 grenade launcher.
Ammunition:
- 12,7-mm cartridges for the gun - 300 pcs .;
- anti-tank missiles - 2;
- 7,62-mm cartridges - 1000 pcs .;
- 30-mm grenades - 120 pcs.
Fire control system:
- weapon stabilizer digital electromechanical;
- thermal imaging sight with day and night fields of view with a laser rangefinder.

Combat weight equipped module - 500 kg.




Proposed modernization of the BTR-70

This combat module developed by Techimpex is intended for installation on the BTR-70 armored personnel carrier.
The composition of weapons:
- 30-mm automatic gun - ZTM1 (2А72);
- anti-tank missile complex "Barrier";
- 7,62-mm PKT machine gun.
Ammunition:
- 30-mm shots to the gun - 200 pcs .;
- anti-tank missiles - 2;
- 7,62-mm cartridges - 2000 pcs.
Fire control system:
- weapon stabilizer digital electromechanical;
- thermal imaging sight with day and night fields of view with a laser rangefinder.
Combat weight equipped module - 800 kg.




Materials used:
http://podrobnosti.ua/podrobnosti/2013/10/15/936310.html
http://tie.in.ua/
http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/250189.html
http://censor.net.ua/forum/502478/ukrainskiyi_vpk
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  1. ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 28 October 2013 09: 38
    13
    With all the old Soviet armored vehicles in all post-Soviet countries in bulk, everyone is experimenting and it’s right, in my opinion, USE ALL THAT UNDER HAND
    1. Abracadabra
      Abracadabra 29 October 2013 03: 27
      +3
      And here is what the Czechs did with BMP1! Why do not such vehicles enter the Russian troops? The main criterion for buoyancy, to the detriment of security?

      BMP - BVP-M2 SKCZ
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 29 October 2013 03: 31
        +1
        Quote: Abra Kadabra
        And here is what the Czechs did with BMP1!

        Flashers from the top does not wander Crackers and Stroboscopes wassat
        1. Abracadabra
          Abracadabra 29 October 2013 03: 37
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Quote: Abra Kadabra
          And here is what the Czechs did with BMP1!

          Flashers from the top does not wander Crackers and Stroboscopes wassat


          Does this hint at what? What is a stanag4-compliant vehicle a ridiculous resemblance to that junk than today's motorized rifles are armed with in Russia?
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 29 October 2013 03: 39
            +2
            Quote: Abra Kadabra
            Does this hint at what?

            how many do not upgrade one FIG BMP-1 But when the lights on the gelding is already a clinic request
            1. Abracadabra
              Abracadabra 29 October 2013 03: 56
              +2
              You do not see anything except the headlights ?? N.p. grilles + screens + its own armor + kevlar inside, which will save from RPGs with a high probability, holds some mines. In general, does STANAG tell you something? I'm not talking about more accurate weapons .. This BMP is almost a different machine and could save the lives of soldiers in those situations in which BMP1 / 2/3 did not save, n.p. they even svd in the rear doors holes without problems. But while the buoyancy of cars is more important than MO than the lives of soldiers, then of course such upgrades are not needed.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 29 October 2013 04: 03
                +1
                Quote: Abra Kadabra
                while the buoyancy of cars is more important than the MO than the lives of soldiers, then of course such upgrades are not needed.

                because of my dense nature, I always thought that it was necessary to create something new and what needs to be modernized at minimal cost and used in the third tier, I’m probably not deeply right as a special and the General Staff knows better request I am ready to discuss any topic, but upgrading the BMP-1 to such a level is already a clinic with headlights from the gelding wassat although suitable for third world countries request surely what But the Czechs? belay
    2. Abracadabra
      Abracadabra 29 October 2013 03: 30
      +1
      Here is another photo (I don’t know how to put a few at once)
    3. Abracadabra
      Abracadabra 29 October 2013 03: 31
      +1
      Here is another option:


      "The main emphasis is placed on increasing protection. The resistance of the protection of the sides corresponds to level 4 according to the STANAG-4269 standard. Mine resistance corresponds to the level 2 of the STANAG-4269 standard. The troops are placed in seats suspended from the roof of the hull, the bottom is reinforced.

      The tower is equipped with a 14,5 mm KPVT machine gun and a 7,62 mm machine gun. On the turret and stern of the hull, additional protection units with the use of a semi-active filler (NERA) are installed. On the issue of arming the MGC-1, there is a big drawback when used in urban areas and in mountainous areas, the BMP-1 tower’s inadequate weapon lifting angle of 30 degrees.

      At IDE in 2012, a version of the modernization of the BMP-M1 CZ was demonstrated with a remotely controlled combat module TURRA-30 of the Slovak company EVPU with optical-television guidance (with a thermal imaging channel) armed with a 30 mm CZ-30 cannon (analogue 2A42) and a 7,62 caliber machine gun mm. The module is equipped with ATGM "Konkurs" with 2 missiles. Module weight 1200 kg. Guidance angles in the vertical plane -10, +60 degrees. The TURRA-30 module can be installed on other types of wheeled and tracked vehicles. "
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 29 October 2013 03: 41
        +1
        Quote: Abra Kadabra
        Here is another option:

        Why, even when ours are trying to improve what has already been built, does it not cause such enthusiasm?
        1. Abracadabra
          Abracadabra 29 October 2013 03: 57
          +1
          Because nothing that could cause enthusiasm is not visible.
          1. Akim
            Akim 29 October 2013 09: 24
            0
            Quote: Abra Kadabra
            Because nothing that could cause enthusiasm is not visible.

            Well, you can’t say that. Russian modernization developments are at a normal level. And weld gratings - a trifling matter. Here the question is in price. Does it make sense to upgrade, or to buy a new sample for the same money. Domestic prices are very different. Ukrainian army body armor costs $ 400. The same class German 1500 Euro.
            1. Abracadabra
              Abracadabra 29 October 2013 15: 35
              -1
              No, there are not only gratings there! There is protection according to NATO STANAG standards. If it’s so easy, then why, at least to the detriment of buoyancy, not modernize the equipment located in the Caucasus? In general, I am very interested in the topic of Kevlar and other carbon fiber composites. N. p. The German helicopter Tiger has armor exclusively made of carbon fiber and Kevlar, which allows it to withstand single hits from the Shilka, the Apache uses metals, but it weighs 10 tons, 2 times heavier than the Tiger. I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong .., but in my opinion an additional 5 tons of carbon fiber and Kevlar armor could significantly increase the protection of the crew in BMPs and BMDs of any kind, without huge costs.
  2. makarov
    makarov 28 October 2013 09: 49
    +4
    It's simple.
    Approximately (from memory) in 2001. an addition to the Law on Licensing of Economic Activities was adopted, in accordance with which any legal entity who has purchased a license has the right to develop weapons models. Vaughn Poroshenko (Rashen) recently hired Americans, so they piled him an easel grenade launcher. Moreover, under the slogans, they say the most advanced. And I had a question - And who the hell will he need?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 28 October 2013 10: 20
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      And who the fuck will need him?

      Pete Poroshenko to shoot back from Onishchenko. Just did not have time to apply. Well, yes there will be many commissions at its plants (including in Russia).
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 October 2013 10: 05
    -3
    Well, yes, in China they also tried to put melting furnaces in every yard ...
    And the article is VERY similar to advertising, but only the Ukrainian armored personnel carriers plowing the oceans and seas are fresh in memory and no one needs any nafik.
  4. Akim
    Akim 28 October 2013 10: 18
    +9
    Repair and modernization of old equipment for sale, private traders are probably the right decision. By the way, Russia, too, could have done so, and not let the armor be re-melted. Implementation still takes place through Ukroboronprom. Here the main control is good.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 28 October 2013 10: 27
      +4
      Quote: Akim
      Repair and modernization of old equipment for sale, private owners probably the right decision

      I doubt it, I doubt it. I can't say about tanks, but about helicopters - I know for sure. Also private traders "repaired". The guys were afraid to fly them later. The scary thing is that a SPECIALIST comes and tries to explain to the OWNER that for a quality repair you need 1,2, 3, ... 5. And in response he hears: "Here are 1 and 2, we will skip 3 and 4, we will take 5 and 6 not new, but already used ones - also after repairs. It will be cheaper!" And the fact that people can suffer and generally lose their lives - do not care! The main thing is to cut down the loot. And try to remove such a private trader. He is the son-nephew-matchmaker of that very uncle from Oboronservis, who must control the whole thing! am
      1. Akim
        Akim 28 October 2013 10: 39
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        And try to remove such a private trader. He’s the nephew-matchmaker’s son of the very uncle from Oboronservis, who must control this whole thing!

        What kind of psychology do we have? One man is a scoundrel, we equate all under his template. That's right - we still do not know how to behave in business. But we have to start somewhere, because the socialist economy cannot be returned.
      2. Lesnik
        Lesnik 28 October 2013 18: 02
        +1
        Do you mean "peacekeeping" helicopters to Liberia and so on? So this is the State Defense Order and this technique who also took the same after the repair (modernization)! It is with them that you need to ask, but from this "owner" there is nothing to ask, he is a "capitalist" and not an exploiter. These are the things that State structures are doing !!!!!!!
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      1. Akim
        Akim 28 October 2013 21: 12
        +6
        Quote: ele1285
        . With what fright the plant named after Malyshev became Ukrainian.

        You just send or fax? Provocateur! If you have something to say on the case - listen. And from incomprehensible malice, teeth don’t bother about squeaking.
  5. Sochi
    Sochi 28 October 2013 10: 22
    +5
    As far as I understand, any modernization of military equipment must go through several stages of testing (factory, testing, operational), only then we can say that the modernization was a success or not. Because, even just a door cut through the board can lead to cracks and ruptures of the side, since not all loads can be calculated ... and this is not immediately apparent. Therefore, it’s too early to say that the advantage has been obtained, they’ll use this technique, then it will be seen what happened.
  6. ded_73
    ded_73 28 October 2013 10: 25
    +8
    As for the Tehimpex company itself, the specialists there are noble people, people with heads and hands. They make things unique and of high quality, which are not suitable for state-owned enterprises today. On the enterprise more than once coveted, including the dispatched Cossack Salamatin and the company. And the current leaders of Ukroboronprom. The result is that the latest actions of the SBU and the prosecutor's office around Ukrspetsexport and its subsidiaries (http://pravo.ua/news.php?id=0038912) are connected precisely with the activities of Techimpex. It is possible that the enterprise will die.
  7. kafa
    kafa 28 October 2013 12: 03
    +6
    budget option for modernization of the PKK winkEASY ARMORED ARBA ON A TUGGET
  8. Akim
    Akim 28 October 2013 12: 28
    +6
    Try hard. Tea is not French.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 28 October 2013 12: 37
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      Try hard. Tea is not French.

      well done !! Man !!!!!!!! what the Ministry of Defense of the industry should do, he did, and what money he invested .... hi he would be a minister to make money for the country !!!!!!
  9. Algor73
    Algor73 28 October 2013 12: 44
    0
    Maybe the private trader does not do bad things, but at the state level there should be a state-owned enterprise, because sooner or later he (the private trader) will touch on the topic of cheapening, and cheap, good, alas, does not happen.
  10. Lesnik
    Lesnik 28 October 2013 17: 35
    +8
    All this equipment was not needed by anyone (it was rusty, plundered) at storage bases, at best, it was cut into metal. A man came and began to make a competitive product, in fact, from scrap metal, began to receive some kind of profit, and bureaucrats immediately appeared who were trying to stupidly try to "squeeze out" this business, at the very least, destroy it. There are too many rooms in which you need to bring the so-called "gratitude". Nobody thinks that these are taxes and jobs !!!!! How is it so bureaucrats nothing "broke off" disorder !!! Destroy, close, plant the insolent! The mentality, however, cannot be trampled on! negative
    1. Felix200970
      Felix200970 28 October 2013 22: 32
      +3
      Quote: Forestman
      and bureaucrats immediately appeared who are trying to stupidly "squeeze out" this business, at worst to destroy.

      So I had the same opinion that it was not without a "deputy's request". It all worked out somehow painfully loud stop
  11. Lesnik
    Lesnik 28 October 2013 18: 50
    +1
    Quote: Algor73
    Maybe the private trader does not do bad things, but at the state level there should be a state-owned enterprise, because sooner or later he (the private trader) will touch on the topic of cheapening, and cheap, good, alas, does not happen.

    Cheap and bad technology? No problem! DO NOT BUY! This is exactly what the "market" and the market economy exist for! The owner, if he is not a "thug" and does not work because he is "protected" by dads, mothers and other "uncles" cannot afford to make non-competitive equipment! I repeat the LAW OF THE MARKET !!!!!
  12. Ckyf
    Ckyf 28 October 2013 19: 51
    -2
    Things will not go beyond fulfilling certain orders from third world countries to magically transform an old armored car into a shaitan arba. If you really judge, then you get a typical repair plant, producing a capital or average remot depending on the wishes of the customer. To create new technology, a scientific and technical base is needed, and not just homemade products.
    1. Lesnik
      Lesnik 28 October 2013 20: 16
      +2
      Dear Skiff, no one argues that this technology is far from advanced weapons! But they at least produce something (they make from .... candy)
      As for the scientific and industrial base, "Moscow was not built right away" wink
      They have occupied their niche in modernizing outdated equipment. Another thing is that "roofed" competitors have appeared. That is the question! And let's just say "unscrupulous" methods of competition !!
  13. Ckyf
    Ckyf 28 October 2013 20: 01
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Repair and modernization of old equipment for sale, private traders are probably the right decision. By the way, Russia, too, could have done so, and not let the armor be re-melted.
    Russia has been doing this since 1991. Only the unnecessary is launched on remelting.
    1. Akim
      Akim 28 October 2013 20: 07
      +2
      Quote: Ckyf
      Russia has been doing this since 1991.

      This is clear. But to give this into the hands of not state, but commercial organizations. Here you can see that candy is made from trash.
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  15. Ckyf
    Ckyf 28 October 2013 20: 15
    -2
    Quote: Akim

    This is clear. But to give this into the hands of not state, but commercial organizations. Here you can see that candy is made from trash.
    Do you judge by the new paint or by the list of new options and assemblies? Sorry, but even a student knows that when installing a more powerful engine with a gearbox and chassis on a car, you need to do something too, otherwise an iron monument will come out.
    1. Akim
      Akim 28 October 2013 20: 49
      +2
      Quote: Ckyf
      Do you judge by the new paint or by the list of new options and assemblies?

      Do you think that such modernization from Muromteplovoz will be better than that of a private trader?
  16. Alekseev
    Alekseev 28 October 2013 20: 56
    +1
    The very idea of ​​modernizing old Soviet armored vehicles is certainly sensible. I would not have scrapped the BTR-152 and BTR-40 yet. Diesel MMZ on them, lining on armor, screen and in security or "partisan" troops. Or to Africa.
    According to press reports, in Ukraine they are trying to actively move in this direction. In the same place, at one time, huge reserves of this good from the USSR remained.
    True, there is no reliable data on the quality of all such upgrades.
    There are examples in history when promising projects seemingly obvious (for amateurs, of course), failed due to insufficient design and technological base. This is an attempt to make BMPs from MTLB in Bulgaria, and various guns on the T-34 chassis in southern countries, and fantastic tanks based on the good old 55s ...
    So, if Ukrainian enterprises manage to ensure an acceptable level of quality and price during modernization, they have every chance of success in this niche of the military-industrial complex.
    But, in my opinion, such success is possible only if the process is not left to chance. Modernization at the level of agricultural machinery workshops is unlikely to suit even Africa. You need a flow, quantity, a large series, only then such an activity will be economically viable. There are currently no powerful private corporations in this area in Ukraine.
    Therefore, the government needs to turn "back to the forest, to the military-industrial complex in front", eradicate theft, reduce corruption, then maybe things will go, there will be no scandals like the Jordanian and Iraqi ones. And the engineering potential for such a task should still be preserved.
  17. fat frumos
    fat frumos 28 October 2013 22: 27
    +3
    In Israel, 90% of the defense industry is private owners and nothing, in the top five leaders in arms sales. If there is a demand for junk you need to make an offer. In China, T34-85 is still in service and it will be older than the BTR 60.
  18. svp67
    svp67 29 October 2013 01: 12
    -1
    So it is not far to "private armies" ... Either Ukraine is reducing its "state" Armed Forces ...
    1. Felix200970
      Felix200970 29 October 2013 01: 32
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      So it is not far to "private armies" ...

      They already exist, and not at all legally. And the workshop, about which the noise flared up, is absolutely legal and, apparently, was still profitable. "tenant". If you watch the TSN video in full, you will see that the shop owners openly show their production and sincerely do not understand what kind of devil they want from them. And "hawala" them quite tightly. With the use of the prosecutor's office and the SBU. Journalists themselves do not understand WHAT they have shown
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 October 2013 01: 48
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        Quote: Felix200970
        They exist already

        Well now a lot is clear ...
  19. Ckyf
    Ckyf 29 October 2013 20: 14
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    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Ckyf
    Do you judge by the new paint or by the list of new options and assemblies?

    Do you think that such modernization from Muromteplovoz will be better than that of a private trader?

    Your military-industrial complex to Muromteplovoz is now like cancer to Vladivostok, even to a private trader, even to a state-owned enterprise.
    I know only one thing - without a normal SCIENTIFIC base, there will be no modernization, there will only be hanging spoilers and updating the paint.
    I repeat once again that this enterprise is exclusively a repair factory, no more.
  20. VARCHUN
    VARCHUN 1 December 2013 19: 56
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    And here is our handsome