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Russian fleet modernizes nuclear submarines of the 971 "Pike-B" project

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At the shipyard “Zvezdochka” ship repair center in the city of Severodvinsk, they plan to carry out a deep modernization of the 6 nuclear submarines (plan) of the 971 project. These boats belong to third-generation submarines, they are planned to be upgraded to the 3 + generation. The 971 Shchuka-B project (according to the NATO codification “Shark”) is a series of Soviet and then Russian multipurpose nuclear submarines, which were designed according to the same technical specifications as the 945 “Barracuda” submarines, but already with steel casing. The Shchuka-B submarines built in 1983-2004 became the main type of multipurpose planes of the Russian Navy, replacing the outdated ships of the 671-RTMK Shuka project.


Currently, a massive modernization of these ships is being considered. According to an already concluded state contract, Zvyozdochka should perform in the interests of fleet modernization of 2 boats of the series - the Leopard and Wolf head boats. At the same time, the Leopard submarine is planned to be handed over to the fleet at the end of 2014. It is reported that the modernization of ships will be large-scale, in fact, until the new project 971M. The press service of the Zvyozdochka ship repair plant noted that this is the first time that such an amount of modernization work has to be completed stories modern Russia. Modernization of the boats will affect almost all of their main systems - hydro-acoustics, navigation, weapon systems, turbines, the main power plant. At the same time, the shipyard in Severodvinsk will modernize not only the Northern Fleet submarines, but also boats based in the Pacific Ocean.

The multipurpose plan from the Northern Fleet K-328 "Leopard" arrived at the Zvezdochka Shipyard in the end of 2011. In May last year, the ship was placed in a shed, and intensive work began on dismantling the equipment being replaced. As the responsible ship deliverer Nikolay Yasny said, 2 shifts are working daily for this order - about 200 workers. Boat "Leopard" should open the cycle of modernization of multi-purpose submarines on the project 971M. At the same time, Zvezdochka will directly deal with the recovery of 15% of equipment, the remaining work on the project should be performed by system manufacturers. The company believes that this is probably one of the bottlenecks in the entire project. Until now, the company's specialists do not have a complete set of working design documentation, which the designer had to provide the shipyard in a timely manner.

Russian fleet modernizes nuclear submarines of the 971 "Pike-B" project


Pla “Leopard” is a boat of 971 “Pike-B” project (according to NATO codification “Shark-2”). The design of the boat was developed in St. Petersburg by the marine engineering design bureau Malakhit. The submarine was built at the Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk, commissioned in December 1992. The submarines of this project were built in Severodvinsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The last submarine of this series was built at the Far Eastern shipyard and was transferred to the Russian Navy in 2009 year. Later, the boat was rented to India for 10 years. In total, 15 nuclear submarines of this project were launched, of which 12 are still in the Navy - according to 6 in the Northern and Pacific Fleets.

The lead ship of the project, the Shark, was withdrawn from the fleet in 2002. And the first boat built in Severodvinsk - “Bars” - was utilized on the “Zvezdochka” in 2010. At the moment, the submarines of this series are considered the most modern multi-purpose (do not carry ballistic missiles) PL of the Russian fleet and the most quiet of the Russian submarines. The boats have a displacement of 12 770 tons, the length of the order of 110 meters, the maximum submerged speed - 33 node (about 61 km / h), the maximum depth of the dive - 600 meters, the crew of the boat - 73 person. In service of the 971 project are cruise missiles RK-55 “Granat”, rocket-torpedoes and ordinary torpedoes. After upgrading, these boats, along with the 4 generation submarines under construction - the 885 project plan, should form the basis of Russian general-purpose naval forces for at least the next 10 years.

Disruption of the defense order for the repair of boats project 971

The Severodvinsk shipyard Zvezdochka will start upgrading the K-391 Bratsk and K-295 Samara 971 Shchuka-B project in July-August 2014, the Central Naval Portal reports. The company will pass the average repair of boats, as well as their deep modernization. In Severodvinsk, boats will arrive along the Northern Sea Route, the shortest distance connecting the Far East with the European part of the country.



Initially, the submarines "Bratsk" and "Samara" were planned to be repaired in the Northeast Repair Center (SVRTS) located on Kamchatka in Vilyuchinsk, but after visiting the enterprise of the Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in March 2013, the modernization of the submarines was decided to transfer to another performer. The reason for this decision was the delay in repair work, for which, starting from 2008, the Ministry of Defense of Russia spent more than 250 million rubles. According to the original schedule, sea trials of the Bratsk submarine were planned to begin in December 2012 of the year, but by March of the year 2013 in Vilyuchinsk only the inventory of works was completed. Pla "Bratsk" was introduced into the military of the Navy in 1989-m, and "Samara" in 1995 year.

At the same time with the disruption of the defense order is not so simple. Currently online materials can be found on arbitration cases for this contract. The failure to perform the work was mainly due to inconsistencies even at the stage of signing agreements, which may indicate bureaucratic delays and low qualifications of people involved in the execution of such contracts. The repair work on the Bratsk plate was not possible to be completed in due time due to the fact that the RF Ministry of Defense began to sue the contractor, filed a half-billion lawsuit against the SVRTS (157,7 million rubles - payment for using the advance, 352,7 million rubles - penalty).

During the consideration of this case in the arbitration court, it was found that the CRRC was physically unable to complete the work on the contract for the reasons: 1) the uncertainty of the actual amount of work performed (!). For example, as early as August, 2011 sent a letter to the Russian Defense Ministry asking for the determination of a specific amount of work for 2012 a year, the military department refused to sign an additional agreement; 2) of the reciprocal failure of the customer to complete the order with all necessary equipment and consumables: in February 2011, the CRRC requested to complete the 13 order with equipment, but in March of the same year only the 1 equipment was actually received, and the decision to transfer the requested property was made only in November 2011; 3) the lack of part of the equipment to be repaired on board the ship due to its dismantling by personnel (!!) even before the ship was put in for repair for use on other planes of this project. For example, the delay in the fulfillment of obligations by the Customer to complete the product ICG-540 lasted more than 1,5 of the year - from February 2011 to September 2012 of the year.



In this regard, the Moscow Arbitration Court rightly refused to the military department to satisfy the claims. However, as we already know, the contract for the repair of the plate "Bratsk" was eventually transferred to another Russian enterprise.

How the situation will evolve in Severodvinsk, time will tell. One can only hope that this time the repair and modernization of the ship will really take place. Although concerns about the timing of the contract is now. As it was written above, at the Zvezdochka Shipyard already referred to the lack of a complete set of project documentation, which the shipyard did not receive in a timely manner.

I want to finish the lyrical digression. Not so long ago, on the Internet, I came across an interview with the leader of the Splin group, Alexander Vasilyev, who was asked to answer the question of what he thinks about the situation in our country. The musician quite figuratively compared Russia with a separate saucepan on a separate stove. According to him, in Russia everything is somehow distorted, as if we live separately from the rest of the world and are separated from it by some kind of invisible prism. “To live in Russia is by and large scary, for the very reason that common sense is distorted here,” the musician said. Looking at the situation with the defense order to repair the plate "Bratsk" at the RCRC, you begin to believe in the presence of this very prism.

Information sources:
http://vpk-news.ru/news/15326
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/618948.html
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130319/927949090.html
http://vpk.name/news/98257_zvezdochka_provedet_modernizaciyu_podlodok_proekta_shukab.html
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  1. Indigo
    Indigo 24 October 2013 09: 11 New
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    Contracts, agreements, non-docking, low qualification -
    Living in Russia is, by and large, scary, precisely for the reason that common sense is distorted here ”- said the musician.
    opa - specify how this our common sense is distorted? is it really liberal-capital-pid..nom revelation of the world, imposed on the camp from the outside and the bustle of local guardians .. Oh, there is no Lavrenty Pavlovich .....
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 24 October 2013 12: 29 New
      +5
      The meaning is distorted in the article and not by the author - they write that the boats were under repair for 6 years and have not been repaired, and the commander of one of them (Samara) in the abusive video for 11 years says that they were actively swimming for the entire division ...
      http://www.perunica.ru/iumor/4661-bez-mata-zhizn-na-flote-nebogata.html
      If the entire Internet passes through America and most of their satellites, then from whom is this disguise? A child or a weak-minded person can now believe the authorities - this is where the taxes on propaganda go and education is simplified for this.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 24 October 2013 17: 11 New
      +5
      Quote: Indigo
      opa - specify how this our common sense is distorted?
      The fact that when you steal, you can never say in advance what exactly stole and what it will hiccup for you later ... laughing
      And the IMHO 971 project is the most successful tactical nuclear submarine of the last years of the USSR good
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 24 October 2013 23: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Misantrop
        And the IMHO 971 project is the most successful tactical nuclear submarine of the last years of the USSR

        SPECIFIC FIGURE for the USA ...
    3. carbofo
      carbofo 24 October 2013 20: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: Indigo
      Oh, there is no Lavrenty Pavlovich on them .....

      Really sorry great was a man
      Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria.
      There is no one to appreciate his contribution to our security.
      1. alone
        alone 24 October 2013 23: 21 New
        +2
        can we leave Lavrenty Pavlovich alone? in such a society, oh, how many people will have to be shot, and even Beria will not do that.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 25 October 2013 20: 39 New
          +5
          Quote: lonely
          in such a society you have to shoot oh how many people
          Oddly enough, the hit list can be VERY short. All that is needed is to demonstrate the DECISION of the authorities to follow a new course. Indeed, now the bulk of the people give / take bribes not at all from natural self-interest. And simply because these are the RULES of the game now, otherwise it will either decide for a very long time, or there will be no result at all. RULES will change, and the stereotype of behavior of the ABSOLUTELY majority of the population will change almost immediately. There’s no need to shoot every fifth ... request
        2. Matthew
          Matthew 13 December 2013 23: 56 New
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          Yes, it's not about "shooting". Beria was able, when it was urgently needed for the Motherland, to unite our "irreconcilable" luminaries of science from the nuclear workshop, and they showed such a "scientific breakthrough" to the world ... it's not for me to tell you.
          We really need an organizer who can really "spin the rusty wheels of our VP complex" all the way. And then the complete production of the same "Mistral" in just two years will not be a question for our shipyards.
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 24 October 2013 23: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Indigo
      Living in Russia is, by and large, scary, precisely for the reason that common sense is distorted here. ”
      ... And contrary to common sense, unique ships were built.
  2. Fin
    Fin 24 October 2013 09: 27 New
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    Quote: Indigo
    Not so long ago I got an interview on the Internet with the leader of the Spleen group, Alexander Vasiliev, who was asked to answer the question of what he thinks about the situation in our country.

    The article is informative, why did the author need to insert an interview with the "great political scientist". With the same success, under the article about space, you can place an interview with Pugacheva. Their world is glamor, loot, PR, drugs ...
  3. pensioner
    pensioner 24 October 2013 09: 34 New
    +8
    The musician quite figuratively compared Russia with a separate pan

    Put this pot on his head. Pevun pancake. Yes, knock on it with a ladle, you look quickly find common sense. And anyway: to hell with all sorts of singers to drag into an article on the nuclear submarine?
    1. ben gun
      ben gun 24 October 2013 10: 39 New
      +2
      The example with the "spit" songstress was extremely unfortunate. Apparently the author wanted to end the article with a phrase, an authoritative and meaningful opinion for the author laughingdescribing what is happening in the bureaucratic structures of the Russian Federation.
    2. old man54
      old man54 24 October 2013 11: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: retired
      Yes, knock on it with a ladle, you look quickly find common sense

      and what, this "singer" is not right? I'm not talking about "living is scary", but in general, that we have a mess all around, first of all in the government and the institutions around the government? This article itself does not cause such thoughts in you and many other similar cases that have already set everyone on edge? hi
  4. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 24 October 2013 10: 25 New
    +6
    Very good news. I always considered these boats the most successful.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 24 October 2013 13: 33 New
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      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      Very good news. I always considered these boats the most successful.


      100500
      Not only one of the fleet would not be withdrawn - at least until at least 4 Ash-trees arrived.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 24 October 2013 17: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: cdrt
        Not only one of the fleet would not be withdrawn - at least until at least 4 Ash-trees arrived.
        Wait until the piers begin to sink? You need to fix it. Or, at least, provide spare parts for crews. In order to go out to sea one ship does not have to disassemble half of the division’s ships
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 24 October 2013 20: 12 New
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          Misanthrope, apparently, you understand the submarines, so I wanted to find out from you why these two strips on the back are needed for almost the entire length of the hull on all of our submarines?
          1. politruk419
            politruk419 25 October 2013 08: 20 New
            +1
            So that the diver is not washed overboard from the superstructure. These are handrails to which a safety belt is fastened with the help of a "dog".
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 26 October 2013 00: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: politruk419
              .This is a handrail to which a safety belt is fastened with the help of a "dog".

              Andrey, hello! A small clarification: the rails are on the NK, (either they are installed on the superstructure after unscrewing the brass plugs and screwing in "crutches" instead of them, and then pass the actual "rail" through the upper ogans - the nylon end (propylene, less often hemp, or steel cable) .But this is only on the roadstead or on the barrels at the demagnetization stand. But they tried not to abuse it. Somehow, however.
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 26 October 2013 00: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: Onyx
            Why are these two strips on the back for almost the entire length of the hull on all of our submarines?

            These are the runners (guides) of the fastening of safety belts when moving l / s on a superstructure in the sea, mainly in fresh weather. You have a beautiful one, brother. It’s a pity that it’s not a submariner, because all submariners know this.
            1. Onyx
              Onyx 26 October 2013 02: 05 New
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              Thank! Yes, not a submariner, but this topic is very interesting to me, so I ask. By the way, how is this problem solved on foreign submarines? They have no runners
  5. 3935333
    3935333 24 October 2013 10: 31 New
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    Shoigu, I think with a quiet glan, will adjust everything and the "stove" and "pan", we now need these boats in the world's oceans very much !!! It is necessary to keep both the North Atlantic hole and the Pacific one, and Project 971 is the most effective remedy - the most, until the "Ash" is brought to mind, until at least 3-5 pieces are built !!! In addition to them, there are, of course, DEPLshki, but they, too, are not yet all in work! The submarine fleet of the Russian Federation Navy, in my opinion, is the only factor that plays a role in the approach of our warships to one or another "theater". While multipurpose boats are guarding strategists and connections, any country will think ten times and pray the same number of times before firing "at all".
  6. indiggo
    indiggo 24 October 2013 11: 16 New
    +4
    if the modernization is successful, then the lag and ash problems will go by the wayside, since it will be possible to hope for 971 so far, of course the boat turned out to be gorgeous ...
    1. nazgul-ishe
      nazgul-ishe 25 October 2013 01: 58 New
      0
      Not to modernize but to build new modern money is almost the same.
  7. old man54
    old man54 24 October 2013 11: 25 New
    +8
    What the boats decided to modernize, even if only the 971 project so far, is very good, this suggests that common sense and moral hostility begin to gradually prevail in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation! This is very positive news! good And then 5 years or more ago, show-off only climbed from the TV screens, they say, why do we need any "old stuff", in the Navy, everything Soviet is still "on nails", we will build everything new. Apparently the master's approach begins to dominate, over the desire to steal and "saw"!
    We have already seen everything how new ships are being built, oh ... and directly, the pace and results of the state defense order for the Navy have already shown everything to everyone, there are not enough naive and prudent gullibles already. And the money in the treasury for defense is not that much, as many people think, especially on the threshold of an aggravating economic recession in the country's economy and in the world. And to modernize the old, but with great modernization potential, this is a very good ton, in a businesslike way, even the p.i.d.do.s.s do not disdain this. bully
    I would have thought that the TRNKSN of the 941 project would also have been deeply modernized, and voila! fellow wink
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 24 October 2013 23: 42 New
      0
      Quote: old man54
      I would have thought that the TRNKSN of the 941 project would also have been deeply modernized, and voila!

      This case! yes For the cabin, mount a streamlined airtight hangar for two KA-39 and a landing deck, in the cabin a retractable AFAR, to mine the mines with rockets 9K720, 3М55, X-55, X-35, X-15, 48Н6NXXXXXXXXXXX armament of surface ships.
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik 26 October 2013 00: 17 New
        +1
        And what is Ka-39?
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 26 October 2013 07: 43 New
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          Quote: spravochnik
          And what is Ka-39?

          Typo KA-29
    2. spravochnik
      spravochnik 26 October 2013 00: 16 New
      0
      Why only 971, 945 also began to modernize.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 October 2013 00: 42 New
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      Quote: old man54
      I would have thought that the TRNKSN of the 941 project would also have been deeply modernized, and voila!

      Andryusha, I'm sorry, friend! Etc. 941 was created for the R-39 missile. And this weapon is not. And no longer. Production of the R-39 was discontinued in 1990. At one time, it was assumed that another modification of this rocket would be made further (the draft design of the modernized D-19UTTKh complex with the R-39 UTTKh missile was ready in 1987). It is known as the Bark. The task was to make a sea-based RK, not inferior to the American "Trident-2". The Trident was superior to the R-39 in many respects.
      "Barkami" d. six "Sharks" were rearmed in the course of their regular repairs and re-equipment. But it turned out the way it happened. It's a pity.
  8. indiggo
    indiggo 24 October 2013 11: 29 New
    +3
    941 will not be upgraded. too expensive and the project isn’t too close, the fish is very expensive to maintain, they have already put an end to it. if there would be at least 5
    PC. then it would be possible to come up with something and there were 2 pieces left.
  9. loki565
    loki565 24 October 2013 11: 36 New
    0
    Project 971 nuclear submarines are armed with RK-55 Granat cruise missiles

    What is GranAt?
    1. Delta
      Delta 24 October 2013 12: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: loki565
      Project 971 nuclear submarines are armed with RK-55 Granat cruise missiles

      What is GranAt?


      Subsonic cruise missile, NATO classification SS-N-21 Sampson. An analogue of the American "ax". They also armed "Pears" (project 667AT)
  10. stoqn477
    stoqn477 24 October 2013 12: 57 New
    +4
    Upgrading 'Pike - B' good news! Must annoy the Yankees! laughing
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 6 November 2013 00: 31 New
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      Quote: stoqn477
      Upgrading 'Pike - B' good news! Must annoy the Yankees! laughing



      This is just the talk and enthusiasm of the first days. It would be someone and for whom to modernize. Two years there will be no graduation of young naval officers.
  11. pr 627
    pr 627 24 October 2013 13: 34 New
    +5
    It is time to introduce the personal responsibility of leaders for actions or inaction of all levels of government without exception. In the field of military development, responsibility is higher in squares, cubes, degrees ... Stalin I.V. to want to be great and at the same time not to strain does not work out.
  12. rudolff
    rudolff 24 October 2013 13: 59 New
    +5
    Garnet is sometimes confused with Granite, but rockets are completely different. Grenades were equipped with specials. warhead and were intended to strike ground targets. Launch through a torpedo tube. By agreement with the Americans, they were removed from the ships and sent to arsenals. Specialist. warheads are dismantled and stored separately from missiles. In total, we have no more than a hundred of these missiles left.
  13. rudolff
    rudolff 24 October 2013 14: 25 New
    +4
    Pike-B in extreme buildings (Gepard, Nerpa) is not much inferior to Ash. Is that Ash's GAK is more powerful, due to the presence of a giant nasal hemispherical antenna instead of a torpedo compartment, and there are vertical launchers. Only the pike project developed in an evolutionary way, and Yasen was an attempt at a "shipbuilding revolution" and the attempt was probably not the most successful one.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 24 October 2013 14: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      and the attempt is probably not the most successful.

      What are the failures? in noise?
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 26 October 2013 01: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Onyx
        What are the failures? in noise?

        At first "Caliber" did not go. So, at the exit to the sea on 12.12.2012, out of 3 launches, one (the most important one was underwater) was unsuccessful. Then, the increased noise level during the operation of the reactor at high loads and structural noise have not yet been eliminated due to the poor quality of the shaft line processing. According to the source, only 250 of the noted 150 malfunctions have been eliminated to date, and 100 continues to be listed. So, there are enough problems!
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 6 November 2013 00: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: Onyx
          What are the failures? in noise?

          At first "Caliber" did not go. So, at the exit to the sea on 12.12.2012, out of 3 launches, one (the most important one was underwater) was unsuccessful. Then, the increased noise level during the operation of the reactor at high loads and structural noise have not yet been eliminated due to the poor quality of the shaft line processing. According to the source, only 250 of the noted 150 malfunctions have been eliminated to date, and 100 continues to be listed. So, there are enough problems!


          The quality of processing the shaft line due to lime turners of the 6th category. At the Admiralty Shipyards, the last turner of the 6th category retired in March 2005. The shaft lines for ships for this and other reasons are made in Germany.
        2. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 6 November 2013 00: 36 New
          0
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: Onyx
          What are the failures? in noise?

          At first "Caliber" did not go. So, at the exit to the sea on 12.12.2012, out of 3 launches, one (the most important one was underwater) was unsuccessful. Then, the increased noise level during the operation of the reactor at high loads and structural noise have not yet been eliminated due to the poor quality of the shaft line processing. According to the source, only 250 of the noted 150 malfunctions have been eliminated to date, and 100 continues to be listed. So, there are enough problems!


          This is only a noted, scandalous 250 faults, in fact more than 300.
    2. PLO
      PLO 24 October 2013 20: 42 New
      +1
      and Ash is an attempt at a "shipbuilding revolution" and the attempt is probably not the most successful one.

      Well, it’s like Ash was originally an attempt to create one nuclear submarine in exchange for Shchuk and Anteev
      IMHO, I will be glad if they eventually build 8 hulls in exchange for Anteyev (4 each for Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet), and during this time they will design a new multi-purpose nuclear submarine
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 24 October 2013 21: 01 New
        +2
        The loaves did not appear from a good life. The Granite complex is too bulky, and the missiles themselves are not sickly. It's only strange why Rubin placed the launch containers in the interhull, and not in a separate compartment. And Ash was originally planned for as many as 30 buildings.
    3. spravochnik
      spravochnik 26 October 2013 00: 21 New
      0
      Not a SEMI-SERIAL, but a SPHERICAL antenna (SJSC "Amphora").
  14. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 24 October 2013 15: 24 New
    +1
    World War II showed that submarines are much more effective than surface ships. This should be emphasized
    1. spravochnik
      spravochnik 26 October 2013 00: 23 New
      0
      She showed nothing. Read the history of submarine warfare. She came with varying success.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 October 2013 01: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: ivshubarin
      This should be emphasized

      Need to build balanced fleet with the priority of its submarine forces.
  15. rudolff
    rudolff 24 October 2013 16: 19 New
    +5
    Onyx, the attempt is probably unsuccessful (Ash Avenue) for the simple reason that the ship's project was created for the scientific and technological potential of the USSR. Instead of improving the components, assemblies, systems, complexes already used and standing on the technical armament, they decided to make a qualitative leap, saturating the project with fundamentally new technical solutions. But the Union collapsed, many research institutes, design bureaus ceased to exist, whole scientific directions were closed. Remember how Academician Solomonov (MIT) said that we have irretrievably lost more than 200 rocket technologies? This means that we cannot even simply reproduce much of what we have done before. Not to mention the creation of a fundamentally new one. The same happened with Severodvinsk. Many systems, complexes, for lack of new ones, simply migrated from Shchuka. In the end, it turned out "I blinded you out of what was." It is not surprising that at the first tests there nothing at all wanted to work in the normal mode. That is why they have been mucking about it for so long, and therefore the prospect of the whole project is vague. And about the noise is a separate question.
    Perhaps the best solution would be to rework the Pike-B project and re-launch it in a series. Ash will not become massive, that's for sure.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 24 October 2013 16: 49 New
      +2
      Yes, a lot has been lost and the building should not be broken. Previously, tests of any new components and equipment were carried out at separate stands, etc., now all this testing base is lost and it is possible to test various systems only by installing everything on the submarine itself. Well, at least with Borey there are no such problems as with Ash. At least we don’t know about them. But Solomon did well. I like the way he looks at things. If you are interested, his interview:
      http://www.ria.ru/press_video/20101220/311162191.html
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 24 October 2013 17: 57 New
        +1
        Solomonov wrote a book. "Nuclear vertical". The circulation is small, but you can find it on the internet.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 October 2013 01: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      It is not surprising that in the first tests there didn’t want to work at all in the normal mode. That’s why they hurt her for so long, and therefore the prospect of the whole project is foggy

      JV PKB "Malakhit" attributed all the failures to subcontractors and contractors from neighboring countries, who supplied in the previous cooperation units and parts for pr 971. Therefore, on November 9, 2011, the RF Ministry of Defense orders the PL 885M project already without supplies of equipment from the CIS countries, and exclusively at the expense of nat. manufacturers. The program is designed until 2020, 164 billion rubles have been allocated for it. The lead "EM" boat, named "Kazan", is estimated at 47 billion, the remaining 5 will cost 32,8 billion each. This concerns the project and its prospects.
      Quote: rudolff
      Ash will not become massive, that's for sure.

      Apparently it is. States with Sea Wolves ran into the same rake. Therefore, a worldwide trend is the creation of an "attacking" submarine with a displacement of up to 6 thousand tons, low-noise, economical, inexpensive to operate, armed with the entire range of missile defense, maintenance, and defense forces, adopted by the fleet.
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 26 October 2013 02: 24 New
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        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Quote: rudolff
        Ash will not become massive, that's for sure.
        Apparently it is. States with Sea Wolves ran into the same rake.

        The Commander-in-Chief of the Navy recently said that in the period 2021-2030 the construction of multipurpose nuclear submarines of the 4th generation will continue, i.e. Ash tree. I don’t know how many boats are needed to consider the project massive
  16. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 24 October 2013 16: 57 New
    +3
    that the ship’s project was created under the scientific and technological potential of the USSR


    rudolff, so maybe not the project "Ash" "turned out to be the most successful, but the project of Judas-tagged one was successful?
  17. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 24 October 2013 16: 57 New
    +1
    that the ship’s project was created under the scientific and technological potential of the USSR


    rudolff, so not the project "Ash" "turned out to be not the most successful, but the project of Judas-marked was successful?
  18. rudolff
    rudolff 24 October 2013 17: 45 New
    +4
    Alas, Old_Kapitan, I'm afraid the list of Judas is not limited to one tagged one. There are many names there, including those of the current power holders.
  19. xomaNN
    xomaNN 24 October 2013 18: 29 New
    +3
    It is a pity that managers like Putin and Shoigu did not learn to clone! The order in military construction and repair can be brought only with a strong hand (but, yes, with a smart head laughing )
    1. Jager
      Jager 25 October 2013 19: 32 New
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      I wonder what Putin has to do with it? An attempt to earn the image of the "owner" failed - remember Serdyukov. Who appointed him? And did not Taburetkin bring the host of "effective managers-reorganizers"? And don't tell me that the Kremlin's hokhyain knew nothing about the mess. Well, about the "kick to the West on the Syrian issue", too, how much they gave their own territory and resources to Syria for free ... When it came almost to a riot, I appointed Shoigu as minister (I like this one as a leader, albeit with his "bells and whistles").
  20. voliador
    voliador 24 October 2013 19: 15 New
    0
    And when will they be new?
  21. indiggo
    indiggo 24 October 2013 20: 01 New
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    who are new if you are talking about 971 then it won’t be, only for export and that’s not a fact.
  22. rudolff
    rudolff 24 October 2013 20: 02 New
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    xomaNN, Putin is a good manager? Unfortunately or fortunately, I did not reach the commander of the pl, but I’ll try to imagine. I’m not old, energetic, I can speak, I don’t get into my pocket for a word, I am respected by my colleagues and I am assigned to form a crew. I form. I’m putting a lawyer on the commander of a navigational commander, on a mine-torpedo psychologist-sociologist, on the connection of an economist, a mechanic of a financier, and as a journalist’s old-timer. Do you think a ship with such a crew will move far from the berth? And who will be to blame when he sinks? All these Medvedevs, Serdyukovs, Manturovs, Rogozins, or still I, the person who built them ?! God forbid from such managers!
    1. old man54
      old man54 24 October 2013 21: 09 New
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      Rudolff, hello dear, glad to meet you !! fellow drinks
      Quote: rudolff
      I’m not old, energetic, I can speak, I don’t get into my pocket for a word, I am respected by my colleagues and I am assigned to form a crew. I form.

      Quote: rudolff
      And who will be to blame when he sinks? All these Medvedevs, Serdyukovs, Manturovs, Rogozins, or still I, the person who built them ?! God forbid from such managers!

      I agree with you more than! good
      But if it was just a matter of the incompetence and unprofessionalism of the above-mentioned person ... But, it really seems to me (I'm really sure) that these are not "mistakes", this is all largely deliberate, and because there were no goals before to create a powerful state-empire , like the USSR type, but simply to take away everything that has already been created and plundered by himself and his accomplices, but as everything collapses, our country where we all live, so to hell with it, they say, we will scatter around the world in all directions. But ... it suddenly dawned on some that in the west they had been fooled by all of them all this time, and that without this country, without its people and the army in the west, there would be no one to call them, and their loot would be taken away quickly by the very same gayropeytsy and amerovskie Zionist bankers. So this "chief effective manager" began to sharply invest money in the military-industrial complex and the army, tk. realized that he had to run and his junta nowhere! tongue request
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 24 October 2013 21: 25 New
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        Greetings, Andrew! I am also glad to see you, have not crossed for a long time! good
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 24 October 2013 23: 02 New
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      Quote: rudolff
      and I'm assigned to form a crew. I’m forming ... I’m putting a lawyer on the commander of a navigator’s battalion, on a mine-torpedo psychologist-sociologist, on the connection of an economist, mechanic of a financier, but as a journalist’s old-timer. Do you think a ship with such a crew will move far from the berth? And who will be to blame when he sinks? All these Medvedevs, Serdyukovs, Manturovs, Rogozins, or still I, the person who built them ?! God forbid from such managers!

      Good comparison.
      And if the enemies have already visited this boat before you ...? And they put a condition for you: Take Medvedev as your assistant, otherwise drown on the pier altogether. How then to be?
    3. jjj
      jjj 25 October 2013 00: 26 New
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      It sounds beautiful. But will they charge
  23. indiggo
    indiggo 24 October 2013 20: 17 New
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    Of course, I wildly apologize, but the topic is called The Russian Fleet is modernizing the project 971 Schuka-B nuclear submarines. if you want about politics there are other topics on the topic please ...
    1. pr 627
      pr 627 24 October 2013 23: 03 New
      0
      "the absence of a part of the equipment to be repaired on board the ship due to its dismantling by personnel (!!) even before the ship was put up for repair for use on other planes of this project" You can discuss the performance characteristics of certain ships and how they need to be modernized, but the fact is the lack of equipment indicates that the warehouses of the technical departments of the fleets do not have new components, assemblies, products and spare parts to replace those that have failed, and this is the problem of creating a whole range of industries for the needs of shipbuilding, which are either lost or degraded, including hydraulic systems , ventilation and air conditioning, ship devices, electrical equipment, turbine engineering, ship power machines, the list is endless, and there are still no people who can translate this into metal.
      1. pr 627
        pr 627 24 October 2013 23: 09 New
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        The headache of the directors of the shipyard and shipyard is not available, they are collecting all over the former USSR, therefore without modernization it will not work to modernize the nuclear submarines pr.971
  24. Wii
    Wii 24 October 2013 20: 32 New
    +2
    Yes, Putin is a good "manager" ~ not one thief was not shot and not planted. And all his friends became billionaires. Another bird ~ a talker.
  25. pl675
    pl675 24 October 2013 21: 58 New
    +1
    was on the boat of this project
    wonderful technique.

    go a lot - live long, pike.
  26. krasstar
    krasstar 24 October 2013 22: 10 New
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    since what time was LEOPARD HEAD pr.971? And what about Panther on the SF? In 1985?
  27. Mark III
    Mark III 24 October 2013 22: 14 New
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    That would be all the musicians from show business and to repair factories, at least handymen, that they would understand that common sense is distorted in their brains.
  28. krasstar
    krasstar 24 October 2013 23: 01 New
    -2
    Did you ever shoot a grenade from Project 971? I remember that the late F-ro 3rd FlPLSF cap. 1 rank Dmitriev IK until 1998 could not push this product out of this "masterpiece" of MALAKHIT. Yes, and colleagues used to say that, unlike the Rubin's Cruisers, a garbage boat ...
  29. pl675
    pl675 24 October 2013 23: 32 New
    0
    Quote: krasstar
    Did you ever shoot a grenade from Project 971? I remember that the late F-ro 3rd FlPLSF cap. 1 rank Dmitriev IK until 1998 could not push this product out of this "masterpiece" of MALAKHIT. Yes, and colleagues used to say that, unlike the Rubin's Cruisers, a garbage boat ...


    can I translate into Russian?
    with dates and surnames, we’ll somehow dock here.
    I would like details, not after 3 nines of Baltic.
  30. pl675
    pl675 25 October 2013 00: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: rudolff
    Onyx, the attempt is probably unsuccessful (Ash Avenue) for the simple reason that the ship's project was created for the scientific and technological potential of the USSR. Instead of improving the components, assemblies, systems, complexes already used and standing on the technical armament, they decided to make a qualitative leap, saturating the project with fundamentally new technical solutions. But the Union collapsed, many research institutes, design bureaus ceased to exist, whole scientific directions were closed. Remember how Academician Solomonov (MIT) said that we have irretrievably lost more than 200 rocket technologies? This means that we cannot even simply reproduce much of what we have done before. Not to mention the creation of a fundamentally new one. The same happened with Severodvinsk. Many systems, complexes, for lack of new ones, simply migrated from Shchuka. In the end, it turned out "I blinded you out of what was." It is not surprising that at the first tests there nothing at all wanted to work in the normal mode. That is why they have been mucking about it for so long, and therefore the prospect of the whole project is vague. And about the noise is a separate question.
    Perhaps the best solution would be to rework the Pike-B project and re-launch it in a series. Ash will not become massive, that's for sure.


    without words.
    +

    Ash - declared as a fourth-generation project.
    in fact, at best 3+.

    pike, already managed a lot, really.
    God give her a long life and good crews after modernization.
  31. jjj
    jjj 25 October 2013 00: 31 New
    0
    The time for repair came up to the ships. And it’s good that the work will be done now. The fleet will receive modernized boats