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Three combat modules for the armored vehicle "Tiger"

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An important feature of modern armored vehicles is the ability to install various weapons or combat modules. All modern armored cars are equipped with a universal shoulder strap, on which a simple turret or a remotely controlled weapon system can be mounted. Not an exception, and the Russian armored car "Tiger". For example, at recent exhibitions “Innovation Day of the Ministry of Defense” and Russian Arms Expo-2013, Russian defense enterprises, together with their foreign colleagues, presented at once three options for arming domestic armored vehicles.


"Tiger" with the combat module of domestic development

In August this year, at the exhibition “Innovation Day of the Ministry of Defense”, the company “Weapons workshops "showed its version of armament armored car" Tiger "with a remotely controlled combat module. Kovrov Electromechanical Plant (KEMZ) became a partner in the creation of a new weapons complex.



In a number of key points, the Kovrov project of the combat module resembles some foreign developments, but it has some differences. So, on the rotary unit of the combat module is a U-shaped support for weapons and sighting equipment. A characteristic difference between the domestic version of the combat module for the Tiger armored car from the foreign ones presented recently is the location of weapons and sighting equipment. For ease of guidance and operation, weapons and electronic equipment are mounted on a single swinging platform, providing vertical guidance in the range from -20 ° to + 70 °. The Kovrov combat module presented at the exhibition was armed with an 7,62-mm PKT machine gun. The cartridge box was placed on the outer right side of the U-shaped support. In addition, four smoke grenade launchers were installed on its front faces.

According to official data, the new domestic combat module can carry weapons of various types. Currently it is possible to install a PKT rifle-caliber machine gun or a large-caliber Kord. Also, the customer can purchase a combat module with an automatic grenade launcher AGS-40 "Balkan" caliber 40 mm. According to some data, the combat module created by KEMZ has a bulletproof booking, due to which its total weight is 170 kg.



In the sighting equipment unit, mounted on the same platform with the weapon, there are a television camera, a thermal imager and a laser range finder. The signal from the cameras is transmitted to the monitor of the operator. The system is controlled by a remote control located inside the base combat vehicle.

"Tiger" with the combat module Oto Melara HITROLE Light

The second development of the company "Weapon workshops", created in collaboration with other organizations, was the "Tiger" with the combat module of the Italian company Oto Melara. The combat module HITROLE Light is designed for installation on various combat vehicles, including armored cars. In the basic version of this combat module is equipped with a large-caliber machine gun M2HB or 7,62-mm machine gun MG3. As follows from the available information, a modified module with new weapons was installed on the armored vehicle "Tiger".



The available photographic materials show that the HITROLE Light combat module mounted on the Tigre is armed with a PCT 7,62-mm machine gun. In this case, the Italian module has undergone some modifications. The fact is that machine guns M2HB and MG3 accept cartridge tape through the window on the left side of the receiver. In Russian machine guns, such as PKT or NSV, cartridges are served on the right. In this regard, the employees of Oto Melara had to take appropriate measures: all units of the combat module were reassembled in a “mirror” manner.

The main nuances of the architecture of the module HITROLE Light remained the same. The main element of the combat module is a swivel unit on which weapons and equipment are mounted. In the central part of it is placed the machine gun of the desired type with the vertical guidance system in the sector from -20 ° to + 70 °. In the original version, a box for cartridges is installed on the left side of the rotary unit, however, due to the design features of the Russian small arms in the new version of the combat module, the ammunition box has been moved to the right side. The left part of the rotary unit now serves as a place for mounting sighting equipment. A television camera and a night vision device are placed in the armored casing. The signal from the observation instruments is transmitted to the operator’s console installed inside the base combat vehicle. Thus, the combat module Oto Melara HITROLE Light provides the attack of the enemy at any time of the day without the need to leave the machine.

Jane's edition reports that the armored vehicle "Tiger" with the combat module HITROLE Light in the "mirror" version with a PKT machine gun was tested. Information on test shooting results, etc. no tests yet. Probably, the combat module showed quite high performance, since it has already been adopted by the Italian army and is used on several dozen combat vehicles of different models.

"Tiger" with the combat module Nexter ARX20

LLC “Military Industrial Company” at the RAE-2013 exhibition showed a car with a French Nexter ARX20 combat module. A characteristic difference of this combat module from other systems is its high firepower. The company Nexter was able to create a combat module, armed with a small-caliber automatic gun, but at the same time suitable for installation on armored cars. Depending on the wishes of the customer, the ARX20 combat module can be armed with an 20 or 30 mm automatic cannon. The basic version uses a Nexter M20 261-mm gun with a rate of fire up to 750 shots per minute. According to some information, it is possible to use weapons of other types that meet the requirements of the customer, including large-caliber machine guns. As an additional weapon, the ARX20 combat module carries a rifle caliber machine gun.



The design of the combat module Nexter ARX20 consists of several main blocks. All the armament and equipment is mounted on a turntable, which, in turn, is installed on the combat vehicle chase. In the central part of the platform on the U-shaped support is mounted a block with a weapon. For the convenience of targeting gun / large-caliber machine gun and 7,62-mm machine gun mounted in the general swinging unit. To the left of the weapon are mounted boxes for ammunition and ammunition supply system. The sighting equipment block is located on the right side of the base platform. The combat module Nexter ARX20 is equipped with a combined sight, allowing you to monitor the situation and attack targets at any time of the day. High accuracy of fire is provided by a two-plane weapon stabilizer. Swivel and inclined mechanisms of the combat module provide guidance weapons in any direction in azimuth. Allowable vertical guidance angles range from -15 ° to + 60 °. Control of the weapon is carried out with the help of a remote control installed in the cab of the armored vehicle.

Despite the powerful weapons, the Nexter ARX20 combat module with an automatic cannon caliber 20 mm turned out to be quite light: its weight does not exceed 270 kg. It is the dimensions and weight that allowed the combat module to be installed on the 4x4 vehicles. The ARX20 module is currently used on Panhard VBL and HMMWV vehicles, as well as on VAB armored personnel carriers. In addition, an exhibit at a recent exhibition showed the fundamental possibility of installing a French combat module on a Russian armored car. Any information about the testing machine "Tiger" with the combat module Nexter ARX20 is not yet available. Probably, such tests may begin in the near future.

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As we can see, all three versions of armor of the Tiger armored vehicles, presented recently, have both common features and differences. The same can be said about the advantages or disadvantages of the combat modules used. For example, the use of an automatic gun caliber 20 mm can be considered a big advantage of the French Nexter ARX20 module. At the same time, there is reason to believe that the level of protection of various mechanisms of the French combat module is insufficient. In turn, the combat module from the KEMZ is well protected, but the most powerful weapon suitable for installation on it belongs to the class of large-caliber machine guns or automatic grenade launchers. This fact accordingly affects the combat potential of the machine with such a module.

Thus, it turns out that a potential customer should make a choice of an armored car "Tiger" with one or another weapon option, taking into account their own needs and views on the use of such equipment. The domestic defense industry together with foreign colleagues is ready to present several options for armored vehicles, each of which can be the subject of an order. Which of them will go to the troops or will be sold to third countries - time will tell.


On the materials of the sites:
http://army-guide.com/
http://vpk.name/
http://vpk-news.ru/
http://janes.com/
http://nexter-group.fr/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/
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  1. samoletil18
    samoletil18 24 October 2013 08: 11
    +3
    The article interested, read to the end,. The only thing also interested in the options for the combat use of these lightly armored vehicles. But the article is not about that, to the author +.
    1. Turik
      Turik 24 October 2013 10: 15
      +3
      Explain to me how a person is purely civil:
      Why is the module so high? Cars of this type, as I understand it, will be used in counter-terrorism operations, but then any shot or fragment will break all the electronics.

      Why not make it a little lower, and then on the 2nd figure in general, like an ostrich look + all the giblets out. One shot from a sniper rifle - and something will jam or break.
      1. Turik
        Turik 24 October 2013 10: 47
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        sorry, on the 3rd. Where Oto Melara Hitrole Light.
      2. Grenader
        Grenader 24 October 2013 10: 52
        +2
        Quote: Turik
        Explain to me how a person is purely civil:
        Why is the module so high?

        Vertical pickup angles. If the module is placed low in front of the machine in the immediate vicinity it will be impossible, as well as to fire from a hill at targets below the machine.
      3. Rustam
        Rustam 24 October 2013 11: 42
        +5
        Turik Why not make it a little lower,


        conversation pr Kovrovsky goes mostly

        The module is armored, again, unlike all those that today someone suggested.

        If you make it low:
        - little to see
        - increase in dead zones
        Roof rack will be reduced.
        Kovrov module, the machine gun in the photo is 7,62, but you can put any (12,7 or AGS-17).

        In this module, everything Russian + everything is armored, there is an automatic target tracking. The operator’s monitor is 17 inches wide.
  2. Akim
    Akim 24 October 2013 08: 17
    +2
    Very interesting. I liked the entrepreneurial spirit of Oto Melara. Well, everywhere with their modules fit!
  3. Professor
    Professor 24 October 2013 08: 49
    +3
    In fact, the first option is this one with KAZ:



    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 24 October 2013 11: 17
      -1
      The Israeli version in my opinion is the most successful
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 24 October 2013 14: 27
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      In fact, the first option is this one with KAZ


      If the weight is also suitable, it is definitely very good.
      The question of course is to protect the module - is it there?

      I know that the Israelis are one of the leading suppliers of RCWS in the world.

      And Trophy will not be sold to us anyway winked
      So for us on the Tiger, what it is, what is not is all one.
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 October 2013 14: 32
        +3
        Quote: cdrt
        The question of course is to protect the module - is it there?

        There is also an option with bulletproof / anti-shatter protection.

        Quote: cdrt
        And Trophy will not be sold to us anyway

        And there is not Trophy and will sell without problems.
  4. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 24 October 2013 08: 53
    +3
    If the customer is the RF Ministry of Defense, then it is preferable to equip with domestic weapons. The developer, "KEMZ", should actively scratch his turnip in terms of increasing the firepower of the combat module, for example, combining the Cliff and the AGS in it.
    1. Kurkin
      Kurkin 24 October 2013 14: 33
      0
      Rock / CORD together with AGS will be a song in general! And if KPVT together with the AGS, then the French module with a gun will not be much inferior.
  5. erased
    erased 24 October 2013 09: 38
    +8
    Why make an armed monster out of a car? Cord enough or AGS. Or does someone want to release the Tiger on the battlefield?
    1. avt
      avt 24 October 2013 10: 18
      +7
      Quote: erased
      Why make an armed monster out of a car? Cord enough or AGS. Or does someone want to release the Tiger on the battlefield?

      good That's right, now, in order to increase sales, they will make a universal tool from a car of all times and peoples. Well, then naturally complaints about any insufficiency and insecurity will go.
      Quote: DesToeR
      he would have a machine gun six-barrel 7,62mm, like the American one with 3000-4000 rounds per minute.

      In vo, and a trailer with cartridges, well, and a model of Schwarzenegger in addition to complete happiness with a LADY doll holding an iPhone and repeating "All bi back"
    2. Akim
      Akim 24 October 2013 10: 37
      +2
      Quote: erased
      Cord enough or AGS. Or does someone want to release the Tiger on the battlefield?

      Watching where he goes around the state. If LH / airmobile units instead of bobiks, then it will not be a sin to install a 20/23-mm gun.
      1. bask
        bask 24 October 2013 18: 42
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        at. If LH / airmobile units instead of bobiks, then 20/23-mm will not be a sin

        Guns, 20/23 mm, on a multipurpose armored car, what would a BMP be made of it?
        But the reservation itself and TTX ,, Tiger do not allow it.
        In the IDF, on the BTR-T, more than 12,7, and 40AGS mm, not at all worth it.
        And you want an easy armored car.
        Here a recoilless gun (B-11 cal 107 mm), or an anti-tank complex would be very useful.

        1. Akim
          Akim 24 October 2013 20: 21
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          Quote: bask
          Guns, 20/23 mm, on a multipurpose armored car, what would a BMP be made of it?

          Such a gun will replace bobiks with DShKM or NSV, as the weight allows. You will note that the airborne assault units have slightly different tasks.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 24 October 2013 20: 33
            +1
            And what's the point in these bobiks? Pokatushki in the parade?
            1. bask
              bask 24 October 2013 20: 58
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              And what's the point in these bobiks? Pokatushki in the parade?

              In these, YES.
              For DShB, you need armored cars, high mine protection, mobility and carrying capacity. Amerovskogo JLTV analog.
              We have an analogue, an armored car, “Wolf”, but it needs to be brought up, anti-mine protection, anti-mine seats installed. Simplify an independent suspension (why a variable clearance, ride on asphalt), the simpler and more durable the better.
              The idea is good, but execution is disgusting.
              Independent suspension, on the frame and not at all as it is not protected.
              Even from crushed stone on a gravel road. It will break the gum of the CV joint and that's it.

              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 24 October 2013 21: 01
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                Quote: bask
                For DShB, you need armored cars, high mine protection

                To get to the helicopters? Enough and KamAZ.
            2. Akim
              Akim 24 October 2013 21: 02
              0
              Quote: Spade
              And what's the point in these bobiks?

              In a bobby, not very much, but Margelov was removed. We need a light armored vehicle of the "Wiesel" type, well, and a light wheeled vehicle with the same armor.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 24 October 2013 21: 06
                0
                Do you have anything to carry the Wiesel? Mi-8 will not pull.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 24 October 2013 21: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  Do you have anything to carry the Wiesel?

                  I read a similar topic recently. You can enter Dozor-A under the cargo compartment parameters. Only no one will do this. There are not so many helicopter regiments in the Ukrainian army to throw at least two battalions with equipment. UAZs will be replaced with modified BRDMs with an airborne squad.
                2. bask
                  bask 24 October 2013 21: 24
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                  Quote: Spade
                  Do you have anything to carry the Wiesel? Mi-8 will not pull.

                  Then only UAZ.
                  Quote: Akim
                  We need a light armored vehicle of the "Wiesel" type, well, and a light wheeled vehicle with the same armor.

                  The US Department of Defense has signed an agreement with the British company "Ricardo" for the design and production of a small-sized SUV "FED Alpha".
                  "" FED Alpha "" is adapted for military operations in the city, has good maneuverability and security.

                3. Abracadabra
                  Abracadabra 24 October 2013 23: 49
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                  Quote: Spade
                  Do you have anything to carry the Wiesel? Mi-8 will not pull.


                  Wiesel1 weighs 2,75 tons .., the load capacity of Mi8 on the external mounts is 3 tons .. Composite blades increase the load capacity to 500 kg on the Mi8.
          2. bask
            bask 24 October 2013 20: 34
            0
            Quote: Akim
            note that the airborne assault units have slightly different tasks.

            Akim, tasks alone, air assault.
            And if the wheeled chassis fails, you must be able to remove weapons and ammunition from the DBM and continue to fight them.
            How do you propose to carry a 20/23 mm cannon through the mountains?
            In the United States (US Marine Corps) they already tried to put 20 mm guns on the Hamers, but refused.
            If you make heavier weapons, then you can put 82 mm mortar ,, Cornflower ,, put.
            1. Akim
              Akim 24 October 2013 20: 55
              0
              Quote: bask
              If you make heavier weapons, then you can put 82 mm mortar ,, Cornflower ,, put.

              Cornflower is also possible, but in a mortar battery, instead of the towed 2B11.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 24 October 2013 21: 10
                0
                What's the point? Min consumption is higher, efficiency is lower. 2B11 is not towable. His wheel drive has a resource of 500 km.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 24 October 2013 21: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  . 2B11 not towable

                  Towed or driven?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 25 October 2013 00: 54
                    +1
                    These are the same "cornflowers" But they are also transported, not towed, and they also, in theory, have a children's wheel travel resource. Who guessed to move them like that?
                2. bask
                  bask 24 October 2013 22: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  a resource of 500 km.

                  Quote: Akim
                  Towed or driven?

                  500 cl, This is ridiculous.
                  They’re taking it, yes, in the back, GAZ-66.
                  Lightweight .ITV Growler Jeep - A lightweight vehicle developed in the USA capable of transporting the V22 Osprey. Made using composite materials.
                  It is used in two versions - as a tractor, 120 mm mortar and as a light patrol car.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 24 October 2013 22: 29
                    0
                    Quote: bask
                    They’re taking it, yes, in the back, GAZ-66.

                    I'm talking about that photo. I would like to see how they attach a pair of wheels from 2C12 to a healthy towbar. Naturally. body only. Bobby does not pull the extra 200 kg., Not counting the min. Now, a light armored multipurpose vehicle allows this.
                    Quote: bask
                    It is used in two versions - as a tractor, 120 mm mortar

                    And where to lay mines?
                    1. bask
                      bask 24 October 2013 22: 41
                      0
                      Quote: Akim
                      I would like to see how they attach a pair of wheels from 2C12 to a healthy towbar.

                      120-mm transportable mortar 2S12 "Sani".
                      1. bask
                        bask 24 October 2013 22: 44
                        0
                        Wheel drive 2L81, mortar 2C12
                      2. bask
                        bask 24 October 2013 23: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        What's the point? Min consumption is higher, efficiency is lower. 2B11 is not towable. His wheel drive has a resource of 500 km.

                        American 120-mm towed mortar M-327 - 120 US Marine Corps.
                        Towed, in a place with ammunition, light armored vehicle-ITV Growler.
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 25 October 2013 01: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Akim
                    I'm talking about that photo. I would like to see how they attach a pair of wheels from 2C12 to a healthy towbar.

                    Well, carry. If pressed. But not recommended. The towing speed is painfully low, so they drag it into the body.

                    Quote: Akim
                    And where to lay mines?

                    The whole complex looks like this, in the center there is a front end for transporting mines:
                3. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 25 October 2013 00: 56
                  0
                  This is their Marine Corps unit, there still must be a front end with ammunition. They are initially designed as towed.
  6. SkiF_RnD
    SkiF_RnD 24 October 2013 22: 04
    +1
    To be honest, the intention of the designers who put heavy weapons on armored vehicles is generally not very clear. Okay, SAM. Okay recoilless gun. Okay, long-range ATGM. This is a specific weapon, I can imagine how all this can be used in real combat. But what can a machine gun do ?? At a range of effective fire from a machine gun (albeit a large-caliber one) or even a 30-mm cannon, jeeps have nothing to do at all. "Tiger" in battle is completely inappropriate. Mine protection + protection against shots from a machine gun and a sniper rifle and a 7,62-mm machine gun, with good ballistics and accuracy, remote control, of course you need a good view, otherwise there will be no sense from the machine gun. They can't do protection against detonation, but give them 20 mm (or even 30 mm laughing ) a cannon on the roof. Let's then put the gun from the "Aurora", it's a pity or something fool
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 24 October 2013 22: 15
      -1
      Quote: SkiF_RnD
      Honestly, the idea of ​​designers putting heavy weapons on armored cars is not very clear.

      This is not for the army, it is for the internal troops to disperse their own population. In order not to stand aside, as in Biryulyovo
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 29 October 2013 01: 44
        0
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        This is not for the army, it is for the internal troops to disperse their own population. In order not to stand aside, as in Biryulyovo

        And minus, probably the cop slapped? wassat
    2. Akim
      Akim 24 October 2013 22: 19
      0
      Quote: SkiF_RnD
      . But what can a machine gun do ??

      What about sabotage operations? And the capture of rear objects? And the capture of tactical objects (bridge, communication centers, etc.) The landing can be parachuted, but there is no heavy weapons. Because airmobile brigades, unlike paratroopers, operate within the framework of the corps mission and all equipment is delivered to them either under their own power or by landing method.
      1. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 28 October 2013 22: 54
        0
        How does this contradict my words?
        But what can a machine gun do ?? At a range of effective fire from a machine gun (albeit a large-caliber one) or even a 30-mm cannon, jeeps have nothing to do at all. "Tiger" in battle is completely inappropriate.
        This is about the idea of ​​using heavy small arms, like NSV or 30-mm guns.
        Mine protection + protection from shots from a machine gun and a sniper rifle and a 7,62 mm machine gun, with good ballistics and accuracy, remote control, of course you need a good overview, otherwise there will be no sense from the machine gun. And so, I think, the jeep should look. Note that there is a machine gun, 7,62 mm.
        Apparently there was a misunderstanding. I do not mean that weapons on the machine are not needed at all.
        Installing a more powerful than a conventional machine gun, but short-range weapon on a jeep is pointless - that's my idea. And she also applies to the landing. I don’t remember such targets that an ordinary machine gun would not cope with, but which would not “punish” the jeep that caught their eye. This is not a technique for suppressing enemy fire resources, for the Tiger itself will be blown away faster than the enemy. Landing troops against a strong enemy, or more heavy support, or better, something in the hands, like the American "Javelin", for example. Light ATGMs, sniper rifles, light machine guns, etc.
  • DesToeR
    DesToeR 24 October 2013 10: 01
    +1
    For such a machine, it would be nice to turn on sniper detection equipment. I liked the module with smoke grenades, he would have a machine gun six-barrel 7,62 mm, like the American one with 3000-4000 rounds per minute. Interestingly, does anyone know why no one uses a 12,7mm high-speed four-barreled machine gun, which they put on Mil helicopters, in the remote modules?
    1. Akim
      Akim 24 October 2013 10: 43
      +3
      Quote: DesToeR
      Interestingly, does anyone know why no one uses a 12,7mm high-speed four-barreled machine gun, which they put on Mil helicopters, in the remote modules?

      What for? excessive consumption of ammunition, a shorter block of barrels, a rash increase in the weight of the machine. The mass of a second volley is less than that of a 30-mm gun, and the recoil force is almost the same (about three tons)
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 24 October 2013 10: 15
    +5
    We got it with our "Tiger". Soon they will offer to install OTP on them. Well, they are not needed in the troops, period.
    It would be better if they were preoccupied with the creation of a car with protection against explosions to replace the BRDM-2. But it’s difficult, it’s easier to try to vaporize the MO with something with minimal effort, and, most importantly, funds.
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 24 October 2013 11: 38
      +6
      Lopatov
      We got it already with our "Tiger"


      Greetings. We got dumbasses who order and receive TIGER-M in the most wretched and simple configuration (then fuck he gave up), but what is shown at best may turn out to be with brooms or faces, though?

      I talked about the visit to Ienterpolitech-2013 - honestly disappointed, of course, here's an example of the new Ural4320-BB (played for it) until I sat, talked
      the view is cramped, uncomfortable, low ceiling, uncomfortable openings, seats and so on - and most importantly, the hydraulic outlet open is something to the same 2kg under the bottom - it’s better to have Typhoon from Kamaz
      I told them directly to the forehead - why such a miracle is needed and showed the jambs with my finger, I heard a lot of speeches - type, well, you understand the machine park, etc. (probably not better than the federal one), but you can't call it breakthrough, and the Frenchman is worth it (though a little for other purposes , more urban) -all like people, nothing more, everything is convenient

      Also with the Tiger, you can equip it as it should and reduce the possibility of losses and increase convenience but no

      even if they order a couple of modules, it’s also in a wretched configuration (export guide)
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 24 October 2013 12: 58
        +1
        Quote: Rustam
        We got dullies who order and receive TIGER-M in the most wretched and simple configuration

        They can be understood. Lobbyists require purchases that the armies do not need, and therefore they procure in the cheapest option, and put them in places where they will never be used in military / industrial

        The only thing that can be saved by the Tiger is protection against bombings. But the military industrial complex should have submitted it for testing a year ago, but things are still there.
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 24 October 2013 13: 45
          +1
          Lopatov
          The only thing you can save the Tiger


          I showed you and others how to save the Tiger (chips from Nextera-at least)

          Do you understand while lobbyists (generals of our military-industrial complex) and bureaucrats who again begin to think in the old way (Navarush on any contract, but do not care about quality) we will not work nichrome

          here’s an example of magnificent camps — Karcher — which by the way stands in Mulino — is just a masterpiece — why aren’t the Germans now winning the tender (at the same price) because the Germans don’t work on kickbacks (namely Karcher) their main customers are with us - these are private companies, and not the die-hardship Russian Defense Ministry
          They’d better buy washing machines for kickbacks in Belarus, and after a week they’ll all fly — that’s our Russian language.

          look at the photo the new URAL-VV -No comments, I thought it would be a worthy replacement for the Federals, but no (Kamaz completely lowers the ramp and one common opening, these went their own way)


          Sometimes we want Serdyukov to come back again and disperse all this shoblu, and the coven that gives us is unclear, which says it is modern!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 24 October 2013 17: 04
            +1
            Quote: Rustam
            Sometimes we want Serdyukov to come back again and disperse all this shoblu, and the coven that gives us is unclear, which says it is modern!

            Serdyukov is not necessary. Yes, with him they knew what they were doing, but at the same time they were pulling the wrong army. We need a normal Minister of Defense, not associated with these lobbying groups.

            According to the German camp, yes it is cool. But nothing will break off to them. In favor, those with whom Shoigu dealt while still being the Minister of Emergencies. Everything is one-time and low-quality, but the guys are proven.
            1. Rustam
              Rustam 24 October 2013 18: 16
              +2
              Lopatov
              Yes, with him they knew what they were doing


              Of course they knew, but they were afraid and somehow moved, though they looked like there in the West, go for your walk as you want, there are no competitors, there’s no threat from there - put a price tag on both these and those conesIs the army only good?

              Looks like theirs border guards are independent — whatever we want — and we take Swedish fliers for turntables, and dviglo for ships German and other if it’s better (what equipment, weapons, etc.)

              П
              about the German camp, yes it's cool. But nothing breaks off


              It is a masterpiece,! They are not very worried that they will not win the tender, I repeat the phrase-We do not work for kickbacksAnd in Mulino, as it stands alone, it will stand — yes, until now the RF Ministry of Defense has not ordered training courses for personnel and maintenance of the camp, but all the utensils have already been pulled from it-without words(who needs these trays, or ladles?)

              photo (clickable Interpolitech-2013)
              Tactical Field Kitchen (TFK) Field Camp-Karcher Group
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 24 October 2013 19: 10
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                Quote: Rustam
                Looks like theirs border guards are independent — whatever we want — and we take Swedish fliers for turntables, and dviglo for ships German and other if it’s better (what equipment, weapons, etc.)

                Panars for them in Russia will be collected
        2. Walker1975
          Walker1975 24 October 2013 15: 07
          +1
          +1 But he traveled in parades ... Parades - not a training ground - it is more pleasant to ride
      2. Akim
        Akim 24 October 2013 16: 21
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        Quote: Rustam
        I talked about a visit to Ienterpolitech 2013 -

        And what do you think about the fact that the Chinese of Russia offer their armored vehicles?
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 24 October 2013 18: 24
          +2
          Akim
          And what do you think about the fact that the Chinese of Russia offer their armored vehicles?


          Yes, it was the matter, but why not offer it? If the exhibition is international, and the representations (delegations) of all ministries from both the former union and the world in bulk

          China is not the right one right now, and a significant player in the arms markets is taking mines at the price and acceptable quality
      3. bask
        bask 24 October 2013 19: 15
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        Quote: Rustam
        even if they order a couple of modules, it’s also in a wretched configuration (export guide)

        And where is it for export?
        Astralians and then, released their multi-purpose ,, Wushmaster ,,.
        And we are all deaf .....
        We are building airplanes, is it really such a ****** am I a problem to make a normal comfortable and multi-armored armored car?
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 25 October 2013 21: 52
          +1
          bask
          And where is it for export?


          To Africa, CIS, Lat America


          Here are those photos fresh 2013-catch winked (clickable)
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 24 October 2013 14: 33
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      Quote: Spade
      We got it with our "Tiger". Soon they will offer to install OTP on them. Well, they are not needed in the troops, period.
      It would be better if they were preoccupied with the creation of a car with protection against explosions to replace the BRDM-2. But it’s difficult, it’s easier to try to vaporize the MO with something with minimal effort, and, most importantly, funds.


      About the replacement of the BRDM - I completely agree.
      But such cars also have a niche - all kinds of light KShM, patrol cars, possibly for light parts.
      Tachanki - in trend laughing
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 24 October 2013 17: 00
        +1
        Quote: cdrt
        But such cars also have a niche - all kinds of light KShM, patrol cars, possibly for light parts.

        "Light KShM and special vehicles" - this is what was previously placed on the "tablets". But there are fewer of them in the troops. than the commanding UAZs.

        "Patrolmen" need protection from detonation. That is, in fact, the requirements for them, as for vehicles to replace the BRDM.

        "Light parts" - God forbid. There is no need for us to monkey after the Americans and artificially underestimate the combat capabilities of the infantry
      2. bask
        bask 24 October 2013 19: 51
        +1
        Quote: cdrt
        About the replacement of the BRDM - I completely agree.

        BRBM-2, it is possible and necessary to upgrade.
        There is a modernization of the Arzamas plant, with the installation of a torsion bar, the suspension is similar to the Tiger ,, .- BTRM-2M (A).
        BRDM-2M (A) is a modernized version of the BRDM-2. But the mine protection was not installed again.
        the Americans did almost the same with soybean BRBM, Commando, but established mine protection, and strengthened the ballistic.
        The BRDM-2 has a great potential for modernization.

        Upgraded Commando "" Select M 1117 Cuardian ASv C.
        7 kg in t / e holds under the bottom.

        AND THEN THIS IS ALREADY NOT SIMPLY BRDM, BUT A MULTIPURPOSE APC.
  • report4
    report4 24 October 2013 11: 19
    +1
    I liked the article because such turrets with an operator are a very promising thing in military affairs. It is a pity that there are no shots of the operator's "workplace" and what the surveillance and aiming devices look like.
    I wonder if there are universal combat modules on which different weapons could be installed in the field?
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 24 October 2013 11: 35
    +1
    Stabilized in two planes a machine gun with a TV camera, a thermal imager, a laser rangefinder and a remote control will solve most of the problems of this technique. The popularity of "Tiger" pleases me.
    The direct shot range of 700-800 m allows you to successfully navigate under cover of fire, the dimensions of the armored car will allow you to take sufficient ammunition to the machine gun.
  • vomag
    vomag 24 October 2013 12: 37
    0
    I am a little confused by the general interest in remote-controlled combat modules, so to speak, who will tell me how we will use them and where ??? if the car is at the checkpoint block or on the highway then yes you can shoot accurately but just estimate the arable land or a lane with potholes and other wonders !!! wake up firing everywhere but the current is not where you need it!
    1. Akim
      Akim 24 October 2013 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: vomag
      just estimate arable land or a country road with potholes and other wonders !!! wake up firing anywhere

      What about the stabilizer on the firing control unit?
      1. vomag
        vomag 25 October 2013 10: 58
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        Dear Akim, you see, you really didn’t understand what it was about if you are in full swing (and not 20-30 km) whipping through bumps and other ****** you are shaking inside the car like a paralyzed target must be kept in focus so that you fall where does the stabilizer ??? (just do not need science fiction about the arrow suspended in the air and automatic capture and tracking (suppression) of the target !!! I somehow don’t believe it .....
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 24 October 2013 13: 39
    +2
    And here is the handsome Tiger
  • ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 24 October 2013 14: 02
    +1
    Local wars of recent times show that a group of light (relatively) combat chariots with different weapons is very necessary and sometimes irreplaceable during a battle. So we must continue to search and wave this technique.
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 24 October 2013 15: 17
    +2
    Multifunctional vehicle
  • Massik
    Massik 24 October 2013 17: 36
    0
    There is a combat module for Shot with a 30mm cannon, what prevents it from being modified for the Tiger?
    1. alone
      alone 24 October 2013 23: 19
      +1
      wassat why trifles, put already a 152mm gun and that's it. there will be an auxiliary armature on a wheeled version with infantry inside
  • zub46
    zub46 24 October 2013 18: 59
    +2
    Gentlemen, are such expensive and difficult-to-operate machines needed on a massive scale? Isn't it showing off - "no pants, but a hat"? Are we chasing rich Americans? Their "Hummers" on TV footage look, of course, great. I doubt that these machines will last long in the war. Now almost every scumbag carries an RPG-7 or something similar disposable with him. And no one canceled cartridges with a B-32 bullet. And the initial period of the war, God forbid? We know well from our history that wars for us start suddenly. In the first week they will knock out several hundred (and there will be no more of them - it will be expensive) of these "RashaHammer", and then with what to live? Although the slogans of the 1930s, such as "Modern war is a war of engines", are undoubtedly relevant. But we know from our father's and grandfather's experience that the hump of a heroic soldier ultimately helps out. And it's good, if the thrifty foreman has an ownerless horse with a cart in reserve, there is ammunition, give a lift to the wounded, and when it gets dark - a thermos with porridge and cartridges to throw in. Again, the "lorry" helped out, but not the three-axis voracious miracle of technology of that time with all the leaders. There is a wonderful site "I remember ..." There, for the last ten years, the right guys have been collecting memories of participants in the Patriotic War. Ask, you will not regret it. Especially the memoirs of those who survived in 1941-42. They do not write about "Hummers" there, but the required analogies are clearly visible. Do you think that "everything" will be different? To shoot the terrorists who have settled in the house, they may be needed, but hardly for a full-scale war. Flip. It would be better to rivet UAZ-469 and UAZ-452 with good diesel engines in full abundance. They can even be pushed out of the mud with your hands, and they are cheap. Not like these uyo..shadows with modules. And a curbstone for a PC, if you really want a "cart", you can easily screw it on. And what, we already have plenty of shells for small-caliber cannons in the "modules"? I consider the hobby "Tigers" and the like a temporary and harmful fad. Why are they better than the same BRDM? Rivet about 100 pieces for the bosses, parades and internal troops, and stop there, do the right UAZs. And maybe think about horses.
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    2. Russen barbar
      Russen barbar 30 October 2013 00: 26
      0
      Hammer is a great SUV. It has excellent stability, traction and patency. I was stunned when I saw him in business! Able to pull their light 105 mm howitzers. And the fact that he is being blown up by a landmine is an indicator of his wretchedness? Oise not being blown up? Ural is not undermined? KamAZ from the machine gun is not taken?
      A tiger is an armored personnel carrier that the UAZ can never be. Neither armor, nor traction, nor cross-country ability. I don’t understand why such an old Mr. ... how Oise is so praised. I do not need a BMW X5 or Porsche Cayenne, but why not make an army Russian geldenvagen?
      The UAZ is not an armored car, but a simple SUV. Yes, armor can be hung, but it will be weak, and traction and patency will become even more dull.

      I will not fight with the Abrams and BMP Bradley tanks on the Tiger, but will quickly, confidently and safely move along roads and fields under the fire of enemy machine guns.
      And if a dude from RPG shoots right on target, then even $ 2.000.000 T90 tank will turn into a kaku in a matter of seconds. There the kebab will leave the crew from the detonation of the BC and the ignition of the tanks.

      The hump of a heroic soldier helps out a stupid cowardly secretary general and general. To destroy 1 German and 1 their tank they put 4-5 tanks and 4-5 fighters on the altar. What is that on ***? At the same time, T34 and KV were super tanks at the beginning of the war.

      It was not the horse and cart that helped the foreman, but the lack of stupidity of Zhukov and Stalin, which even the T34 and KV in huge quantities did not help. Roughly speaking, he with his cart with a horse gave more efficiency than Zhukov with armadas of super tanks.

      Let it be known to you that the Tiger and Typhoon are the most advanced combat vehicles that are equal in capabilities (or even exceed) the analogues of the USA and NATO. We have no more equal equipment at the moment (air defense does not count). T90 - reliable, time-tested and affordable, but a fraternal and uncomfortable grave for the crew.
      But the most useless and ****** are BMP-3 and BTR82A. Do you want to see normal BMP? Take a look at Bradley and Boxer!

      You probably, like many of our generals, think that I need the Tigers in the same quantities as the T34 to Soviet generals? And I also want to drive them in clouds to certain destruction under 88-120mm guns and missiles?
      I need them for the safe transportation of soldiers, nothing but the safe transportation of soldiers, and only the safe transportation of soldiers. The combat modules for the Tiger and Typhoon are like a traumatic and gas pistol for a simple citizen. Rimbaud does not make it, but gives his% to survival.

      At the expense of quantity.
      You probably know that the most common machine in the army is a truck, not a tank-bmp-btr-pvo-et al ****. And you also know that the Oise, although loved by the elderly, are inferior to trucks in quantity. They are needed to save gas, when it is necessary to transport not tons but centners, and not tens, but units of soldiers. Or to save time when you need to go fast 80-100 km / h.
      With the Tigers and Typhoons the same situation.
      So how many, by my rough estimates, do the Tigers and Oise need?
      About...
      1 UAZ for 10 trucks
      1 Tiger for 10 Typhoons.
      And still Typhoons and Tigers need 90% to complete highly mobile armored, but not sedentary infantry compounds. Although the infantry units, in addition to the usual Urals, KAMAZ and UAZs, need to allocate a little tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, air defense and armored cars.
  • avt
    avt 24 October 2013 21: 09
    +1
    Quote: zub46
    I consider the hobby "Tigers" and the like a temporary and harmful fad. Why are they better than the same BRDM?

    So, unlike the BRDM, they don’t swim. laughing
    Quote: zub46
    100 pieces for bosses, parades

    Serdyukov Ivek ordered 300 pieces. You are somehow divine.
    Quote: zub46
    And maybe think about horses.

    Certainly, this is no joke, even donkeys are probably better for mountain parts. A well-tested vehicle that has proved its advantage in the mountains over motor vehicles, naturally without fanaticism in this matter, the main thing is that their turntables should not be opposed.
    1. zub46
      zub46 25 October 2013 21: 59
      0
      Duc and I mean what. And in sergeant schools, it is imperative to read a special course on the topic: "Horse-drawn transport and
      its importance in the world revolution. Methods of privatization and maintenance of a horse (donkey) in a special period. "
  • AlexA
    AlexA 25 October 2013 00: 21
    +2
    Colleagues, please clarify (I myself am an engineer of the Strategic Missile Forces and I know superficially about armored vehicles), where does this come from for cars similar to the BTR-40 and another BTR based on the ZIL-157 developed in the early 50s. After all, there is already the same BRDM2, BTR-60/80. And they swim, and compact, and deploy on the spot. It seems that all Germans, Finns, and Amers have promising armored personnel carriers according to the same layout scheme as our BTR-80. Che ours blown up to make armored Urals push through?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 October 2013 01: 14
      +2
      Quote: AlexA
      Che ours blown up to make armored Urals push through?

      Firstly, cheaply, it is done on the basis of components and assemblies of commercial vehicles. Secondly, in the future, all transport vehicles at the brigade level should be armored.
  • Ols76
    Ols76 25 October 2013 03: 55
    0
    Article interested, author +
  • Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 25 October 2013 09: 49
    +1
    even if you don’t think about the question, do jeeps need such combat modules, the question arises, who will climb up to change the box with cartridges up when they end? :-D
    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      0
      That's for sure. Bravo!
  • Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 25 October 2013 12: 46
    0
    our modzhul, scary-square, the handle and front sight sticking out of a machine gun, it is removed, if so, how fastening and accuracy of shooting are provided, if not, then why it was impossible to remove everything. For the French, everything looks spectacular and beautiful, but the ribbons stick out, but if the buoy flies in there? Well, for all the boxes, if you do that, the supply of ammunition must still be organized from the body. + Our operator sits next to the carrier, IMHO a weak spot, it would be necessary to sit inside.
  • A_Alex
    A_Alex 25 October 2013 23: 33
    0
    why the first module is made "clumsy" as from a suitcase! And really it was impossible to make a balo like the BTR-82A and beautiful and practical. Here the French have a beautiful color, only with such a weight it is most likely cardboard or titanium and insanely expensive. It is not for nothing that there is a saying "beautiful" weapons work well.
  • Russen barbar
    Russen barbar 30 October 2013 00: 36
    0
    Quote: zub46
    Gentlemen, are such expensive and difficult-to-operate machines needed on a massive scale? Isn't it showing off - "no pants, but a hat"? Are we chasing rich Americans? Rivet about 100 pieces for the bosses, parades and internal troops, and stop there, do the right UAZs. And maybe think about horses.


    Hammer is a great SUV. It has excellent stability, traction and patency. I was stunned when I saw him in business! Able to pull their light 105 mm howitzers. And the fact that he is being blown up by a landmine is an indicator of his wretchedness? Oise not being blown up? Ural is not undermined? KamAZ from the machine gun is not taken?
    A tiger is an armored personnel carrier that the UAZ can never be. Neither armor, nor traction, nor cross-country ability. I don’t understand why such an old Mr. ... how Oise is so praised. I do not need a BMW X5 or Porsche Cayenne, but why not make an army Russian geldenvagen?
    The UAZ is not an armored car, but a simple SUV. Yes, armor can be hung, but it will be weak, and traction and patency will become even more dull.

    I will not fight with the Abrams and BMP Bradley tanks on the Tiger, but will quickly, confidently and safely move along roads and fields under the fire of enemy machine guns.
    And if a dude from RPG shoots right on target, then even $ 2.000.000 T90 tank will turn into a kaku in a matter of seconds. There the kebab will leave the crew from the detonation of the BC and the ignition of the tanks.

    The hump of a heroic soldier helps out a stupid cowardly secretary general and general. To destroy 1 German and 1 their tank they put 4-5 tanks and 4-5 fighters on the altar. What is that on ***? At the same time, T34 and KV were super tanks at the beginning of the war.

    It was not the horse and cart that helped the foreman, but the lack of stupidity of Zhukov and Stalin, which even the T34 and KV in huge quantities did not help. Roughly speaking, he with his cart with a horse gave more efficiency than Zhukov with armadas of super tanks.

    Let it be known to you that the Tiger and Typhoon are the most advanced combat vehicles that are equal in capabilities (or even exceed) the analogues of the USA and NATO. We have no more equal equipment at the moment (air defense does not count). The T90 is a fraternal and uncomfortable grave for the crew, but otherwise good.
    But the most useless and ****** are BMP-3 and BTR82A. Do you want to see normal BMP? Take a look at Bradley and Boxer!

    You probably, like many of our generals, think that I need the Tigers in the same quantities as the T34 to Soviet generals? And I also want to drive them in clouds to certain destruction under 88-120mm guns and missiles?
    I need them for the safe transportation of soldiers, nothing but the safe transportation of soldiers, and only the safe transportation of soldiers. The combat modules for the Tiger and Typhoon are like a traumatic and gas pistol for a simple citizen. Rimbaud does not make it, but gives his% to survival.

    At the expense of quantity.
    You probably know that the most common machine in the army is a truck, not a tank-bmp-btr-pvo-et al ****. And you also know that the Oise, although loved by the elderly, are inferior to trucks in quantity. They are needed to save gas, when it is necessary to transport not tons but centners, and not tens, but units of soldiers. Or to save time when you need to go fast 80-100 km / h.
    With the Tigers and Typhoons the same situation.
    So how many, by my rough estimates, do the Tigers and Oise need?
    About...
    1 UAZ for 10 trucks
    1 Tiger for 10 Typhoons.
    And still Typhoons and Tigers need 90% to complete highly mobile armored, but not sedentary infantry compounds. Although the infantry units, in addition to the usual Urals, KAMAZ and UAZs, need to allocate a little tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, air defense and armored cars.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 31 July 2014 23: 58
    0
    Quote: bask
    If you make heavier weapons, then you can 82 mm mortar ,, Cornflower, put

    Better yet, the good, old RPU-14, Model 1956, which was developed for the Soviet Airborne Forces, but unfortunately was quickly removed from service. Putting it on "Tiger" - the price would not have been for her. Imagine: a battery of 3-4 cars at speed enters a position, fires a volley from a distance of 3-4 km to the target, and ... disappears. For work in the rear of the enemy the most is it (in Novorossiya it is even better).