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Russian Arms Expo-2013: exhibits and statements

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The main event of the week was the international exhibition of arms and military equipment Russian Arms Expo-2013, which started on September 25 at the Prospector training ground near Nizhny Tagil. RAE-2013 deservedly bears the title of one of the world's largest military-technical salons. This year, the test site near Nizhny Tagil became a platform for demonstrating the products of more than 400 companies and organizations from several countries. The level of international interest in the exhibition is clearly shown by the fact that delegations from fifty foreign countries arrived at RAE-2013.




The Russian defense industry presented several new developments at the RAE-2013 exhibition, as well as modernization projects of existing equipment. An interesting feature of the current exhibition was a fairly large number of announcements: manufacturers of military equipment a few days before the event began to talk about their new products, the display of which is scheduled for RAE-2013. At the same time, information about one of the most interesting exhibits remained closed to the public until the salon opened.

A few days before the exhibition opened on the Internet, a photo of a wheeled armored vehicle with cannon armament appeared. In the photo, the sample was covered with a tarpaulin, which immediately led to a debate about what kind of car was preparing to be shown on RAE-2013. The answer to this question turned out to be much more interesting than some versions that have been expressed. As it turned out, the Russian enterprises "Uralvagonzavod" and the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" together with the French companies Renault Trucks Defense and Nexter Systems are developing a promising wheeled infantry fighting vehicle of a heavy class. While the project is at the stage of working out the concept, but some of its features already now allow us to talk about fairly large prospects. On a conventional chassis with the 8 XX8 wheel formula, a turret with an automatic gun of the 57 caliber is installed. The capabilities of such a weapon are significantly higher than that of any other gun used on modern BTR or BMP. It is expected that the promising Russian-French infantry fighting vehicle will interest foreign customers.

Russian Arms Expo-2013: exhibits and statements


A few months ago it became known that Uralvagonzavod was preparing its new development for RAE-2013, which is a further development of the already known car. During the exhibition, the first show of the updated support combat vehicle was held tanksreceived BMPT-72 index. The purpose of this modernization was to increase the combat characteristics of the Object 199, as well as to ensure unification with existing equipment. BMPT-72, as its name implies, is based on the chassis of the T-72 tank. The main features of the weapons complex remained the same, but some of its elements were changed. So, the use of new electronic systems has reduced the crew of the combat vehicle to three people. Bulletproof and anti-shatter protection of a number of tower units is provided. It is assumed that BMPT-72 vehicles will not only be built, but also converted from T-72 tanks. In the latter case, the base tank must undergo repairs, during which, at the request of the customer, the replacement of the power plant is possible. Allegedly, BMPT-72 retained all the fighting qualities inherent in the previous car of this class, and in some respects surpasses it.



Several more are connected with the line of domestic combat support vehicles for tanks News. Vice Prime Minister D. Rogozin said that this class of military equipment will be improved and new BMPT models will appear in the future. In the future, it is planned to create a car with rocket-cannon armament based on the Armata heavy armored platform. Thus, all domestic BMPTs will use chassis unified with the tanks used in the troops. Due to the lack of a finished serial Armata platform, the Nizhny Tagil Uralvagonzavod enterprise has so far to make plans in accordance with the current state of industry and troops. General Director of Uralvagonzavod O. Sienko said that the production of BMPT-72 could be launched in the near future. Specific dates were not called, which can be explained by the lack of orders of the Ministry of Defense. Nevertheless, rumors have been circulating for a long time about the possible adoption of the BMPT-72.





A large number of T-72 tanks operating in the Russian armed forces and several foreign armies forces tank builders to create various options for upgrading this technology. At the RAE-2013 exhibition, Uralvagonzavod presented its version of a complex of additional protective equipment designed to ensure the survivability of the tank in the conditions of modern urban battles. To protect against various anti-tank weapons and explosive devices, it is proposed to equip the T-72 tank with several additional modules. Thus, it is proposed to install dynamic protection system modules on the frontal and onboard parts of the hull and turret. The stern of the hull and the turret are covered with anti-cummer grids. For protection against radio-controlled explosive devices, the T-72 tank with a set of protection equipment carries an electronic countermeasures system RP-377-VHM1-L. The task of this system is to suppress the frequencies used to command mines. The problem of protecting the tank commander, firing from a machine gun installed in front of his hatch, was solved in an original way. On the sides and back of the commander is closed flap complex shape, protecting from bullets and shrapnel. To monitor the situation, each of the five panels of the shield is equipped with bulletproof glass. In the event of movement through the rubble, a TBS-72 dozer blade is included in the security kit for the T-86 tank. With the help of this unit, you can make passes in obstacles, as well as dig trenches. After installing a set of protective equipment, the combat weight of the T-72 tank increases to 50 tons, which probably leads to a decrease in its mobility.



Another version of the modernization of the T-72 tank presented at RAE-2013 implies the installation of the Arena-E active defense system. This complex allows you to automatically monitor the situation around the tank and track the anti-tank missiles or grenades flying towards it. Arena-E independently detects threats and issues a command to launch protective ammunition. The active protection complex is capable of destroying anti-tank ammunition, flying up to the tank at speeds up to 1000 m / s from any direction in azimuth. The lesion sector in elevation is from -6 ° to + 20 °. High reliability of work is ensured by double redundancy of each direction.

Visitors to the RAE-2013 exhibition could not only see the developments presented at the stands and exhibition venues, but also observe their work. For example, during the demonstration performances of the technology, the updated Shilka-М23 anti-aircraft self-propelled gun ZSU-4-4М4 was shown. The new ZSU differs from the previous modifications in the composition of radio-electronic equipment and weapons. Instead of the old analog electronics on the Shilka-M4, modern digital devices are used. In addition, new night-vision devices that do not require illumination, new communications equipment, a system for monitoring radio electronic equipment, and an air conditioner are installed on the combat vehicle. The combat capabilities of the ZSU-23-4М4 are significantly increased due to the use of the Strelets anti-aircraft missile system. At the rear of the turret, two launchers with attachments for transport-launch containers of the Igla family of rocket launchers are installed. Through the use of guided missiles increases both the range and the probability of hitting targets.



It is noteworthy that in addition to the modernization of military vehicles, the domestic defense industry is actively engaged in projects for other purposes. Thus, at the Russian Arms Expo-2013 exhibition, a new fire extinguishing and rescue complex, based on the T-80 tank, was shown. The tank-based fire truck was developed at Uralvagonzavod by order of the Russian Ministry of Defense. The complex of facilities necessary for extinguishing fires in ammunition depots is installed on a significantly modified tank chassis. The armored vehicle is equipped with a water tank volume 25 cube. meters and, if necessary, can send a jet at a distance of up to 100 meters. The fire truck based on the T-80 is equipped with video cameras and remote control systems, thanks to which it is capable of operating without endangering the crew. Now they are undergoing the latest tests of the fire engine, and in the foreseeable future, the re-equipment of the remaining T-80 tanks will begin. In the future we plan to create a similar project in which the chassis of the T-72 tank will be used.



RAE-2013 has become a platform for various applications. Vice Prime Minister D. Rogozin spoke about the actions of the state aimed at optimizing the economic processes in the defense industry. In order to reduce the cost of re-equipment, a legal framework is now being created to resolve the issues of pricing for products of defense enterprises. First of all, emphasis will be placed on flexible prices. According to the deputy prime minister, this will be useful both for the Ministry of Defense and for enterprises. Such an approach will allow planning work on the creation of high-tech equipment with a production cycle for about 5-7 years. At the same time, Rogozin notes that the price of any contract must initially and guaranteedly be the profit of the contractor. The task of the state is not only the rearmament of the army, but also the development of industry. Therefore, it is necessary to take into account the interests of the latter.

In the future, industry and the military department will continue to conclude contracts involving not only the supply of weapons or equipment, but also full service during the entire service life. The military-industrial commission under the government has already made a decision, the number of such contracts will grow. According to D. Rogozin, full-cycle contracts are one of the main ways of implementing the current state program of rearmament of the army.

The exposition of the exhibition Russian Arms Expo-2013 was divided into two parts. One of them was opened for visitors, and only specialists and officials with special permission could get to the second. In the closed part of the exhibition were shown several new developments, which are still too early to demonstrate to the general public. According to some data, the leaders of the Ministry of Defense and the state showed a promising tank based on the Armat platform. Prime Minister D. Medvedev who visited the exhibition noted that there were many interesting things in the closed exposition. He did not rule out that at the Victory Parade in 2015, some samples may appear, which so far are shown only to a narrow circle of high-ranking officials of the government and the Ministry of Defense. Medvedev noted that a considerable part of the projects presented at the exhibition was not only developed, but also ready for an early start of mass production.

In the near future, the Prospector testing ground will undergo some changes, for many years it has been a platform for the exhibition of weapons and military equipment. The general director of Uralvagonzavod, O. Sienko, said that this year the salon organizers faced some problems and limitations of an infrastructural nature. In this regard, a government decree has already been issued, according to which the prospector will be expanded and updated. Thus, the RAE-2015 exhibition will be held at a new level.


On the materials of the sites:
http://rae2013.ru/
http://ria.ru/
http://rus.ruvr.ru/
http://arms-expo.ru/
http://gurkhan.blogspot.hu/
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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 28 September 2013 08: 58 New
    57
    Making exhibits is one thing, launching it in a series, and most importantly purchasing it in the army is another, it often happens that an exhibit remains an exhibit, and even that it sells a lot worse everywhere except in Russia.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 28 September 2013 09: 25 New
      36
      Thank you for a very interesting selection of beautiful photos.
      1. user
        user 28 September 2013 11: 19 New
        +7
        The most interesting information about the BMPT is finally being adopted, only the whole question is how many pieces. We have so many T-72s, but if they strengthen not only tank battalions.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 29 September 2013 06: 25 New
          +7
          BMPTs are not accepted, but MAYBE will be accepted ... and this is the key word.
      2. wei
        wei 28 September 2013 16: 53 New
        +8
        I support + 100500 article "from empty to empty" + for a photo
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 28 September 2013 10: 46 New
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      I agree, a beautiful technique should not only look beautiful, but also fight beautifully.

      in the 18th century, the Prussian king Frederick the 1st created a large army, dressed, shod, guns, guns, everything looked beautiful, marching, but he never fought, kept purely for the sake of contemplative beauty, then after his death a son came, here he involved this army in the war.

      But I think Napoleon had the most beautiful and efficient army at that time. Cuirassiers, hussars, dragoons, fusiliers, Voltigeurs, all almost military terms have French roots, vanguard, rear guard. Shotguns, guns, so with a stack of weapons, how can you not fight? so he fought.

      Now I think only the United States uses the most modern in its army and fights, because the war rests on money, and money is earned by the war.

      A country that does not want to feed its army will soon be forced to feed a stranger. (Napoleon Bonaparte)

      So feed the guys from Moscow, buy beautiful and modern equipment.

      And it’s as if a shiny sword is standing at home in the sideboard, while we climb with forks.
      1. Motors1991
        Motors1991 28 September 2013 18: 12 New
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        You are mistaken, the Prussians created a first-class army for their time. Little Prussia spent 80% of its budget on the army, while the state developed industry, trade, maintained roads in an exemplary manner. It was forbidden to build wooden houses if it burned down, money was allocated from the treasury to the family for the construction of the stone. Frederick the Great once said: ,, This is my rich country, I myself am poor, Perhaps this is the lot of great people completely indifferent to clothing, everyday life. The Prussian army showed its strength in the Seven Years War, when it fought almost alone against the whole continental Europe.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 28 September 2013 18: 24 New
          +4
          The Prussian army showed its strength in the Seven Years War, when it fought almost alone against all of continental Europe.

          Wow alone ... and Britain on whose side fought?
          His army was completely hired, and not necessarily from its inhabitants - Friedrich himself said: my soldiers are rabble, villains and criminals from all over Europe (well, then almost all of them had hired armies).
          Actually, with British money, Frederick fought the whole war.
          And as soon as Frederick himself died, the Prussian army virtually disappeared first-class power in Europe (the tradition is true remained).

          And the real, Prussian army was already created as a conscript, Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, Blucher, then Moltke Sr., Schlieffen
          1. Motors1991
            Motors1991 28 September 2013 19: 02 New
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            Prussia fought against: France, the Austrian Empire, Russia, Saxony, the imperial executive army, Sweden. For Prussia: England, allocated a small contingent, which again fought under the command of the Prussians. All European armies of that time, with the exception of the Russian, were mercenary , and the attitude towards them was the same everywhere. Again, the Prussians were the first to create hospitals and began to collect the wounded on the battlefield, this was done only in the Russian army. The result of the war: the England-Prussia coalition defeated. England got Canada, Prussia Silesia and a number of counties, at the expense of indemnities covered all losses. So that the heirs of Frederick shamefully lost the war to Napoleon, so he defeated everyone, including the Russians.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 29 September 2013 14: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: Motors1991
              so he defeated everyone, including the Russians.

              And what did Russia lose in the seven-year war?
            2. xan
              xan 30 September 2013 15: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: Motors1991
              The result of the war: the coalition of England-Prussia won

              If you do not know the history of the Seven Years War, then you can believe in the genius and leadership gift of Frederick 2.
              Friedrich was lucky as a sucker card at the last bet. Elizabeth died, and Peter 3 sharply expanded the policy of Russia.
              And the most powerful weapon of Frederick was the inconsistency and mistrust between Russia, Austria and France.
        2. Starominchanin
          Starominchanin 4 October 2013 08: 48 New
          0
          the entire post-Soviet space is reaping the benefits of modern education. The army on the battlefield and in the parade are different armies. Why, do you think A. Suvorov did everything so that the Russian army does not look like a parade Prussian. Or do you think that AV was engaged in tyranny - the results of his acts are known throughout the world. And with regard to the idealization of Frederick, before whom they bowed, as before the great ruler Peter III and Paul I, all this, as they would call it now, is simply propaganda. Remind me if it doesn’t make it difficult, how many times have we been to Berlin, and how many times have representatives of the German people visited Moscow? Learn HISTORY from various sources, not just national ones !!!
    3. Constantine
      Constantine 28 September 2013 12: 05 New
      +9
      Something tells me that the sandy camouflage was not just applied to them) probably there is already an approximate sales market. And in a situation that has developed in the "sands", it is better not to pull the cat for one place smile
    4. sens99.ru
      sens99.ru 28 September 2013 15: 46 New
      +3
      Help guys, I can’t understand! Here is a photo of where the trunks are on the shelves. Above the SVD, below Kalash, but in the middle of what?
      1. tracer
        tracer 28 September 2013 17: 26 New
        +7
        I asked myself this question myself. Nowhere has this creature flashed before. But judging by the store it is a 308 caliber. It is distributed very widely everywhere and everywhere. I think the weapon was created for "promising countries", where it will find its buyer. Moreover, some countries Love "To have everything like" EMKI ", and the soldiers don't have to get used to it. This caliber is an analogue of the Russian 7,62 / 54, but surpasses it in ballistics, and the automatics work with it much better (there is no protruding sleeve casing). Therefore, a serious return can be expected. And with "serious recoil" the clearly aluminum mount "miracle osprey" looks at least not serious. With such a recoil impulse, it will just hang out like a traffic light on a remote rod. And even if the blow is not strong, it will bend or break (it cannot but break) see for yourself. Or did the designers invented the (plastic mount) for telescopic sights? Why not plasticine then? Insulating tape is also good in this context.)))) Therefore, the effect is the same. The laws of physics on the planet earth have not yet been canceled. Automation most likely works by venting gases into the gate mechanism. Although it may not, what a pusher is worth .. And this is most likely an automatic rifle not intended for firing bursts, although there may be a cutoff which is on a twin, or a construction site. The rate of fire is about 800 rounds per minute. "We can" in one word .....
      2. Donvel
        Donvel 29 September 2013 20: 24 New
        0
        In Battlefield 3 I saw such a rifle. MK11 mod 0 is called. Not sure what she is, but similar. Trunks of the M16 family generally do not differ much.
    5. Simon
      Simon 28 September 2013 17: 26 New
      +1
      Most importantly, our designers have wonderful thoughts and ideas that can be put into practice, but there is money, it’s absolutely necessary to fuel the military-industrial complex.
      1. bask
        bask 28 September 2013 20: 25 New
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        Russian Arms Expo-2013: exhibits and statements

        Ended up, as expected.
        They didn’t show new models of armored vehicles, referring to the alleged secrecy (,, Chrysamtems ,, we sell to the government of terrorists in Libya) and not what.
        And the most important question that arises after the military exhibition closes.
        WHY RUSSIAN ARMS ESPO-2013 WEAPONS EXHIBITION did not visit Shoigu of the RF Ministry of Defense ?????????
        He should have been at this exhibition, from the first to the last day.
        That MO is not interested in what is represented by the Russian military-industrial complex. It should be bought primarily for the RA.
        But the contracts for the purchase of BMPT2, self-propelled guns, Kaolitsiya, self-propelled guns, Msta, tanks T-90MS, SU, Octopus SD, BMP-3M, BMP-3F, were not signed for the Russian army.
        The Russian army, at least until 2016, was again left without modern armored vehicles.
        Here is the MAIN, but sad for the Russian Armed Forces outcome of the arms exhibition in N. Tagil.
    6. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 29 September 2013 06: 23 New
      +4
      yes, some kind of ambiguous impression from the exhibition, boring from year to year, everything is the same, and nothing goes to the army, only everything seems to work for the Arabs, I personally didn’t admire anything, everything was already there, our military just go gloomy understanding that it’s not for them ... not in this life ... request
      1. bask
        bask 29 September 2013 09: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        realizing that this is not for them ... not in this life ..

        This is the main thing: for its soldiers ZERO.
        Andrey Yuryevich

        We work over the hill.
        No one was bought to advertise the BMPT-2, if not one machine for military tests of the Ministry of Defense in the Republic of Armenia. Some theater of the absurd. negative

        BMP-T, it could be like that.
        source http://gspo.ru/index.php?showtopic=1206#
        1. bask
          bask 29 September 2013 11: 00 New
          +2
          BMP-T developed in the late 80s.
          At GS-T-72 why UVZ doesn’t realize a ready-made and tested project with the module “Bahcha”.
          BMP-T 3
      2. the polar
        the polar 29 September 2013 15: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        yes, some kind of ambiguous impression of the exhibition, more boring from year to year, all the same,

        Yes, the exhibition showed the dead end of military tactical and design thought. It seems that heavy armored vehicles are a thing of the past. The advanced development of ground and air means and systems for the destruction of heavy armored vehicles put an end to tanks. The emergence of BMPT is nothing more than a commercial convulsion to extend the life of heavy armored vehicles. Perhaps now it can be developed and produced only for internecine wars for the armies of the "third world".
        Of course, self-propelled guns will still remain and will be improved, for urban battles and on difficult terrains, but even then, probably, soon the development of rocket artillery will replace the self-propelled guns. It is necessary to develop a class of BMP and broadband communication means that would provide integral communication of air reconnaissance, infantry, artillery and aviation, in real time, both through the command post and "each with each".
        1. bask
          bask 29 September 2013 19: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Polar
          Perhaps now it can be developed and produced only for internecine wars for the armies of the third world

          China, South Korea, Japan, third world countries?
          In recent years, developed and adopted, new types of tanks.
          Quote: Polar
          that would provide real-time integrated communications between air reconnaissance, infantry, artillery and aviation,

          And it is necessary to develop and drone UAVs, but everything is complex.
          Without heavy armored vehicles, a city with settled militants cannot be taken.
          It is heavy BTR-T / BMP-T and assault guns, with tank armor, cal 152 mm that come to the fore, and the horizontal elevation angles of the gun are not 60 degrees.
          The creation of self-propelled guns based on heavy tanks continued after the Second World War.
          At the main tank of the IS-3 tank at the pilot plant No. 100, self-propelled guns were developed, known as ISU-152 in 1945. (Object 268).
          1. Bugor
            Bugor 30 September 2013 08: 30 New
            0
            You are confused.
            Object 268 based on t10, but object 704 - that yes, on the basis of IS-3 and in 1945.
            ISU-152 is finally a separate song. And the gun is completely different. And the beginning of production in 1943.
    7. eplewke
      eplewke 30 September 2013 08: 54 New
      +1
      The highest degree of joy would be to have all this equipment get into the troops ... Then we will definitely be an ultramodern army of the world. We know how to do it. And we are not far behind the West ... But now we are fighting scrap metal, the experience of the war on 08.08.08 showed ...
  2. Apollo
    Apollo 28 September 2013 09: 01 New
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    quote-Another version of the modernization of the T-72 tank, presented at RAE-2013, involves the installation of the complex active defense "Arena-E".

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  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 September 2013 09: 11 New
    0
    Cool photo! You look and the soul rejoices! Alive our defense industry! Here, the troops would have to introduce all this power quickly .. In general, it would be great!
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 28 September 2013 17: 43 New
      +4
      right now, the laces only stroke
    2. Yazov
      Yazov 28 September 2013 19: 36 New
      0
      And then the girls are on the front row! Wow They just froze them a little ...
  5. Alikovo
    Alikovo 28 September 2013 09: 17 New
    +3
    I liked robotics, there are not very significant flaws: the tower with a machine gun is a bit high.
    the amount of ammunition is interesting, and whether there will be an automatic grenade launcher on it.
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  7. Sirs
    Sirs 28 September 2013 09: 28 New
    17
    Yes, but this is almost an outdated technology, but there is no truly new one.
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 28 September 2013 14: 18 New
      +3
      Yes, there’s no fresh. The idea of ​​the Terminator is emasculated, now it is a T-72 without a large-caliber gun turret. Well he will support the tanks, and who will support him? So we will walk in a circle.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 28 September 2013 18: 09 New
        +1
        For counter-terrorism operations, that’s it.
        And as a means of serious fire support, a tiger with cornets or something like that.
        1. Slavs69
          Slavs69 28 September 2013 23: 02 New
          +2
          And why in the counter-terrorist operation "Cornets"?
          1. 31231
            31231 29 September 2013 02: 08 New
            +1
            Chrysanthemum burn. Many here say that they will be thrown into Syria. And there you look at us in the Caucasuswink
      2. Turtles
        Turtles 28 September 2013 18: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: pawel57
        Yes, there’s no fresh. The idea of ​​the Terminator is emasculated, now it is a T-72 without a large-caliber gun turret. Well he will support the tanks, and who will support him? So we will walk in a circle.

        In general, the proposed use of three tanks + one Terminator.
    2. Sashkessss
      Sashkessss 29 September 2013 21: 42 New
      0
      Everything new is well-corrected old. When remaking old technology will live a new life. So for the best
  8. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 28 September 2013 09: 30 New
    +7
    With a bucket, the car is interesting, so check it out in battle ...
    There is a unique opportunity to do this - to deliver a couple of dozen to Syria and find out the real capabilities of the BO.
    1. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 28 September 2013 12: 56 New
      0
      Who will pay for the delivery? Or again for nothing ...
      1. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov 28 September 2013 19: 17 New
        +4
        Well, why for nothing - on lease).
        We will gain invaluable experience, and then we will modify it taking into account the comments.
        Then everything will pay off for us, it will pay off with human lives.
        1. O_RUS
          O_RUS 29 September 2013 21: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: Ivan Tarasov
          Then everything will pay off for us, it will pay off with human lives.


          for the sake of this - you can for nothing

          When Serdyukov slammed more
  9. vadson
    vadson 28 September 2013 09: 32 New
    13
    pictures are beautiful of course.
    One question, I, as a native inhabitant of the Urals, am very happy for the UWS BUT they got stuck on rotting an eighteenth. already a water carrier made of it. if only to quickly get rid of the former competitor from the horizon.
    do not want to modernize so repair yes sell or give the same to Syria let it carry out its service with honor. and then out of 72, they’ll climb into the head and out of 80 that seems to be more than 2 times more than the cost in Soviet rubles
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 28 September 2013 09: 46 New
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      quote-For example, during the demonstrations of the equipment was shown updated anti-aircraft self-propelled gun ZSU-23-4М4 Shilka-М4. The new ZSU differs from previous modifications in the composition of electronic equipment and weapons

    2. uwzek
      uwzek 28 September 2013 10: 47 New
      +4
      Everything is much simpler here: in Omsk, a fire truck was bought up much faster. In Tagil there was a big load on other topics, because the fire at the base of the T-72 loitered around the workshop for about a year: they had been waiting for the same red paint for about a month. I agree with you: to make a water carrier out of the T-80 is an excess. Demand for such equipment arose after a series of forest (and not only) large fires. Some of the obsolete T-72s of the first releases can easily be converted into heavy fire engines (in any case cheaper than banal re-melting ...
    3. cdrt
      cdrt 28 September 2013 18: 44 New
      +7
      and then out of 72, they’ll climb into the head and out of 80 that seems to be more than 2 times more than the cost in Soviet rubles



      In my opinion, at 3, not two.

      Here too - because the T-80 has always been more perfect than the T-72. Moreover, there are so many that would be enough for the whole of Armenia.
      I do not like gas turbine engines (although ... In most of the country in winter it is much better than the T-72 / T-90 diesel engine) put a diesel engine on it, it would not be so expensive. TIUS there already was like, update the OMS (like on the T-72), additional reservation inside (tanks there, non-mechanized BC).
      And so ... from the whole tank splendor from the USSR they chose the cheapest, and accordingly the least effective.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 28 September 2013 19: 10 New
        +9
        Quote: cdrt
        SLA update (as on T-72), additional reservation inside (

        Yeah and the Arena.
        Yes, this is only in the nightmares of KB UVZ.
        Who then will supposedly need the newest T-90?
        And on the GTD _ Already was not so gluttonous.
        C'mon, what’s from empty to empty _ WHERE OF THE ARMATURE ?!
  10. Rusal
    Rusal 28 September 2013 09: 54 New
    +1
    There will be no Medvedev, there will be no Medvedev, only Rogozin, yeah
    Fucked up, Car Fitter ...

    (C) Chatterbox - A find for a spy.
    1. uwzek
      uwzek 28 September 2013 11: 24 New
      +2
      The mechanic (I understood you about him) is far from an oracle and, even, not an employee of the apparatus of the president and prime minister. Often retells gossip, which is full. The first persons of the state always arrived at the last expoarms (Rogozin has not yet drawn to their role). Today, Dmitry Medvedev has arrived, who is not painfully supported on our website (there is a reason), but this is a completely protocol part of the activities of any government in any country.
      Note that the prime minister arrived on the second day of the exhibition, and Ragozin on the first ...
      1. alexpro66
        alexpro66 28 September 2013 14: 46 New
        -1
        An interesting detail, DM, the protocol service asked not to mention that the Armata MBT at a private show was presented by a layout layout (so that the "members" could see the interior) - so he let it slip anyway !!))) In Shcha, the mechanic is again fables, about the fact that there is no Armata and will not be for a long time, she will chat))))
        1. Kars
          Kars 28 September 2013 15: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: alexpro66
          The show was presented by a layout layout (so that the "members" could see the interior) - so he blabbed all the same !!))) During the show, the mechanic is again fables, about the fact that Armata is not there and will not be for a long time, he will chatter)))

          And that the display of the layout LAYOUT disproves it. If I don’t hang around, YOU claimed that in METAL there are TWO samples of BT based on USh Armat and they will be shown at the exhibition. And whose words were true?
          1. alexpro66
            alexpro66 28 September 2013 15: 36 New
            -2
            You're having trouble reading again! Re-read carefully -about MBT is written in Russian-one in metal and one layout layout and it is ALSO CLEARLY written that "most likely they will not drag the MBT to the exhibition, but arrange a show in a special workshop" hastily some new layout, as the Mechanic invented here ..
            1. Kars
              Kars 28 September 2013 19: 58 New
              +3
              Quote: alexpro66
              -one in metal and one layout layout and it IS CLEARLY written that "most likely to the MBT exhibition

              Oh sure)))))
              Quote: alexpro66
              whipped together

              this is a hike to DAM and shown, not an iPhone, anyway, will not understand)))
              1. Armata
                Armata 28 September 2013 20: 42 New
                +9
                Quote: alexpro66
                You're having trouble reading again! Re-read carefully -about MBT is written in Russian-one in metal and one layout layout and it is ALSO CLEARLY written that "most likely they will not drag the MBT to the exhibition, but arrange a show in a special workshop" hastily some new layout, as the Mechanic invented here ..
                "A question for you Kars. What did not come true from what I wrote before? And now my region (alexpro66), shaming with its number, is here. You yelled that Armata will be in the guise of MBT. And where is she? So I was there all 3 days and someone didn’t see it as an MBT. Maybe it’s enough to yell every day, but what you don’t know? And for a stupid one. What is a layout layout? And what is it made of? fool request
                1. Kars
                  Kars 28 September 2013 20: 46 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  . What did not come true from what I wrote before?

                  The difficult question is that no one has seen Armata yet. And everything else will be decided when they show her Armata. So far, even the number of rollers is not known - you say that 7, and you can’t refute it yet. Alek66 I also talked about the layout with the 152 mm gun. I would like that he didn’t take it.
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 28 September 2013 21: 08 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Kars
                    The difficult question is that no one has seen Armata yet. And everything else will be decided when they show her Armata. So far, even the number of rollers is not known - you say that 7, and you can’t refute it yet. Alek66 I also talked about the layout with the 152 mm gun. I would like that he didn’t take it.
                    You know, I’ll tell you only one thing. Get into his komenty and look. By the way, he did not answer me a simple question about. Does he live in Galyanka in the UVZ area? Constant pumping and leaving the topic.
                    1. bask
                      bask 28 September 2013 21: 22 New
                      +6
                      Eugene good evening.
                      SPG ,, Coalition ,, you can upload pictures. Or is it so far ,, secret ,,.
                      Self-propelled guns “Coalition-SV-KSH” will be shown at the RAE-2013 exhibition [media = http: //army-news.ru/2013/09/sau-koaliciya-sv-ksh-pokazhut-na-vyst
                      avke-rae-2013 /]
                      But for some reason, did not show ?????
                      1. Armata
                        Armata 28 September 2013 21: 29 New
                        +4
                        Quote: bask
                        SPG ,, Coalition ,, you can upload pictures. Or is it so far ,, secret ,,.
                        It's not a secret. I can post it, but only on Monday. I do not have a program with a camera on my beech.
                      2. bask
                        bask 28 September 2013 22: 05 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        It's not a secret. I can post it, but only on Monday. I do not have a program with a camera on my beech.

                        Thanks Eugene hi
                        Although something new, we will see from the exhibition !!!!
                        And alextro66, just a classic cheap troll ....
                        A dispute with him is useless.
                      3. alexpro66
                        alexpro66 28 September 2013 22: 34 New
                        0
                        Download the program from the Internet for two minutes ..
                      4. il grand casino
                        il grand casino 28 September 2013 23: 06 New
                        +2
                        Quote: alexpro66
                        Download the program from the Internet for two minutes ..

                        On my working camera format files are supported by three types of prog. All three of them are paid. This is an example. Do you offer to download pirated software?
                        No, well, of course there are workarounds with GIMP and a bunch of plugins ... but they bother ...
                2. alexpro66
                  alexpro66 28 September 2013 21: 56 New
                  +2
                  But what's the difference to you where I live ?? What do you want to meet ???
                  You participating in the work of the Armat project do not know elementary things — how the work is being done — how the tolerance is adjusted and the mode — had no idea that all the blocks and assemblies are first mounted on a layout layout, worked out if necessary on a stand, and only then installed on the product (this, by the way, is not such a big secret, it is called working out, which is new for our army, modular repair) -yes, the most ridiculous thing is that you don’t know what a layout model is!) 0 Cheer me up and please continue!
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 28 September 2013 22: 01 New
                    +3
                    Quote: alexpro66
                    You participating in the work of the Armat project do not know elementary things — how the work is being done — how the tolerance is adjusted and the mode — had no idea that all the blocks and assemblies are first mounted on a layout layout, worked out if necessary on a stand, and only then installed on the product (this, by the way, is not such a big secret, it is called working out, which is new for our army, modular repair) -yes, the most ridiculous thing is that you don’t know what a layout model is!) 0 Cheer me up and please continue!
                    Yeah, well, I don’t know, but a competent person appeared. Not knowing basic things about the project’s movement from TK to CD and to the current model, writing so confidently. Moreover, not knowing the elementary substance where the tests are conducted, who is the author of the project, even refuse to simply say at which test site the primary tests were. Was the commission there or not?
                  2. alexpro66
                    alexpro66 28 September 2013 22: 16 New
                    0
                    Again you are the old song about CD! The design documentation is created on the basis of the TOR and if the MO wrote in the TOR REAR MTO for MBT and ACS, then this will be reflected in the CD and the designer has no right to change it .. unless the MO does not agree with his arguments Why did you write this nonsense again my knowledge and what kind of tests are you talking about ??? In addition to rolling out, there was nothing yet .. What a commission were representatives of ChTZ and someone else, and even then when they rolled out the MBT was without a BM and hung with a cape and the representatives of ChTZ took readings and adjusted something there in the computer directly on the MBT - what do you have new fantasies? And you did not answer me there that they were "firing" "with ricochets" About "shelling" can be more detailed ??)))
                  3. Armata
                    Armata 28 September 2013 22: 21 New
                    +3
                    Quote: alexpro66
                    Again you are an old CD song! Design documentation is created on the basis of TK and if the MO wrote in the TOR REAR MTO for MBT and self-propelled guns then this will be reflected in the design documentation and the designer has no right to change it .. if only the MO does not agree with his arguments
                    Yes Yes. It is in TK that the design of the hull, the main components and assemblies is prescribed. Pindet is not to smear the wheels.
                  4. alexpro66
                    alexpro66 28 September 2013 22: 29 New
                    +3
                    What is the case design? what units? Are you unwell? I HAVE ALREADY RESPONDED TO YOU THAT IN THE TK ON MBT AND ACS OF THE ARMATUS ARE DESCRIBED WITH RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MTO - in the clownery, then you have distorted!))
        2. alexpro66
          alexpro66 28 September 2013 21: 48 New
          -2
          But you still read my writings!)) No, I didn’t lie, I’m glad to grunt myself!))
      2. alexpro66
        alexpro66 28 September 2013 21: 45 New
        +2
        Now the next scribe .. From your scribbling nothing has come true, you lied that for the exhibition you whipped up a layout - in fact, HOW I WRITTEN BEFORE THE OBT was dragged to the exhibition, it came true ... Your "quick-riveted layout" is there was not present - I have repeatedly asked you where is the layout layout? - you naturally did not know and deliberately did not answer. The fact that they would take the layout layout, I did not know, initially they planned to bring the explosives to the plant .. well, they brought it in like that, I WILL REPEAT NOT RIBBED NEW layout, as you wrote. So that one of your lies came true ?? What is the layout layout made of? And this is the question a man asks me day and night, sticking out at the UVZ !!!!))) and REINSTANCELY BEATING SOMETHING ON "STANDS" FOR OBT !! Re-read my posts, I already wrote for you how the admission to the "body" is established - learn and lie next time more correctly.
        What is the use of being there as a guest ??? What you saw, I know in advance no more than all forum users. And about the admission to the pavilion with Armata Boomerangs, etc. I don’t even say - there was only DM there all the time (so initially everyone said that for the sake of three people it’s not necessary to occupy the pavilion and drag equipment there) and the management of UVZ and KB or you want me say that they had a special permit ???))) You were three days .. I am much more ...
        1. Armata
          Armata 28 September 2013 21: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: alexpro66
          Now the next scribbler ..
          Look at yourself.
          Quote: alexpro66
          From your scribbling nothing came true, you lied that for the exhibition you whipped up a layout - in fact, HOW I WRITTEN BEFORE THE OBT was not dragged to the exhibition, it came true ... Your "quick-assembled layout" was not present there, I repeatedly asked where is the layout layout? -you naturally did not know and deliberately did not answer. The fact that they would take the layout layout, I did not know, initially they planned to bring the explosives to the plant .. well, they brought it in like that, I WILL REPEAT NOT RIBBED NEW layout, as you wrote. So that one of your lies came true?
          Well, yes an aranyo has come true. foolAnd about the admission to the body. Did you see the body to blame me for lying? And once again I ask a question. If you know so much where in Tagil you live? Well, maybe you are from Eburg. Then just answer where do you work with such knowledge? I somehow do not hide this and everyone knows. And sorry, you forgot you still did not answer me old questions.
          1. alexpro66
            alexpro66 28 September 2013 21: 59 New
            0
            You are somehow wonderful! Do you hammer an arrow? Where I live and what I do is not related to YOU ​​at all — you wanted revelations! Maybe you also have the key to the apartment where the money is ??)) And put a copy of the passport ??
            1. Armata
              Armata 28 September 2013 22: 03 New
              +2
              Quote: alexpro66
              You are somehow wonderful! Do you hammer an arrow? Where I live and what I do is not related to YOU ​​at all — you wanted revelations! Maybe you also have the key to the apartment where the money is ??)) And put a copy of the passport ??
              Yes nafig need you. Even you’re embarrassed to show your name. Unlike you, I have nothing to hide except part of my work.
            2. alexpro66
              alexpro66 28 September 2013 22: 23 New
              +2
              Well, if you are not a stupid person, you cannot assume that for example I have something to hide ?? And Khlopotov commented well about your stories about his work - I will repeat once again his words "The mechanic has nothing to do with UVZ and Armata .."
              Although Andrey has been odd about Armata lately, his words about you are one hundred percent true - he is an "office plankton" living around Armata - he knows very well .. yes, based on your tales about Armata, I have no doubts either ..
  11. alexpro66
    alexpro66 28 September 2013 21: 29 New
    +4
    You need to work in the US State Department, pull phrases out of the proposal (you didn't prepare the resolution on Syria for them))) - AND WHAT IS WRITTEN THERE NEXT ??? .... "most likely to the MBT exhibition ... what ??? WILL NOT be dragged ...!
    They showed not whipped up in a hurry but the layout layout on which they originally worked, on it everything working by the way, just does not go and there are a lot of holes !!))))
    1. Armata
      Armata 28 September 2013 21: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: alexpro66
      They showed not whipped up in a hurry but the layout layout on which they originally worked, on it everything working by the way, just does not go and there are a lot of holes !!))))
      What is a layout layout? and where if he has holes in it? Is it possible at the UVZ Staratel training ground?
      1. alexpro66
        alexpro66 28 September 2013 22: 05 New
        +1
        Holes were cut out for a reason, so that the native leadership does not bother trying to discern what is inside!))) Naturally made of papier-mâché! Oh you cheer me Mechanic!)))
        1. Armata
          Armata 28 September 2013 22: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: alexpro66
          Holes were cut out for a reason, so that the native leadership does not bother trying to discern what is inside!))) Naturally made of papier-mâché! Oh you cheer me Mechanic!)))
          Listen, what are you smoking so sticky? I just asked you where they fired.
          1. alexpro66
            alexpro66 28 September 2013 22: 33 New
            +1
            I didn’t write anything about the “shelling of Armata”!)) You whispered to someone from the members of the forum in a personal note, so he was with joy and mentioned this somewhere in the forum!)) So what will you whisper to me that they were shooting there?))
          2. Cynic
            Cynic 29 September 2013 12: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: alexpro66
            You whispered to someone from the members of the forum in PM

            No, the whole forum whisper was, in the form of a commentary in one of the topics affecting Armata.
            In what, but in this (whispering in PM) Mechanic not sinful. Maybe they missed.
            Registration Date: July 12 2013 16: 56

            If your nickname is not your new reincarnation.
            bully
          3. alexpro66
            alexpro66 29 September 2013 17: 37 New
            +1
            Well, maybe he missed a whisper on the pages of the forum-he’s not a little wonder whispering! From one comment, a forum member concluded that the car mechanic whispered in a personal. If he really said this nonsense, then chase him with pissed rags - he is an utter nonsense! To shell you need a shell - for shelling you didn’t boil-shell, and I don’t know exactly where only sandwiches from the new armor alloy and polymer for Almaty
            Reincarnation .. ??? Well, it's not for nothing that your nickname is a cynic, you know better!)))
            And claiming that he is not sinning by whispering in a personal way, as I understand you, you have access to his personal correspondence, or if he doesn’t write anything to you personally, does that mean he doesn’t write to others either ??
          4. Cynic
            Cynic 29 September 2013 20: 44 New
            0
            Quote: alexpro66
            And claiming that he is not sinning by whispering in PM, as I understand it

            Wrong understand. Talk about a specific case _ the execution of the corps (its layout?) Armata and all!
            Quote: alexpro66
            chase him with rags

            In order to drive someone you need to have reliable information while it is not there.
            Yes, I’m sinful, being previously a secret bearer in conversations with employees of not our P / I said not only what is possible, but also that requested speak .
        2. sds555
          sds555 29 September 2013 19: 43 New
          +2
          Well, I don’t know about a whisper, but I personally saw this comment from a mechanic about shelling a case, saying that he had just arrived from the firing range where there was shelling of an armored body from our gun, Rheinmetall and M-256, by the way, he wrote there that the front would be
        3. alexpro66
          alexpro66 29 September 2013 20: 28 New
          +1
          What an important person our car mechanic is even inviting him to "shelling" (even mythical ones)!))) He probably personally brought ammunition!)))) Well, what can I say is an extra confirmation of fairy tales, and in general his state of mind is worrisome !! We can throw ourselves off at the doctor with the whole forum!
          About the front MTO, I already unsubscribed .. also another reason to throw in medicine!))
        4. sds555
          sds555 29 September 2013 20: 48 New
          +1
          In principle, I agree with you, and the information that Armata will be shown at the Victory Parade in 2015 and about the tests in the troops in 2014 you wrote in the comments much earlier than appeared on the internet, so you +
        5. Kars
          Kars 29 September 2013 20: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: sds555
          mat will be shown at the Victory Parade in 2015

          About the parade was earlier on the side footer picture of the day.
          Quote: sds555
          about the tests in the army in 2014

          They have been talking about this for a very long time, though before the military tests were scheduled for this year.
          as well as the promised show at the exhibition in tagil, which, as we see everything, was covered.
          Quote: alexpro66
          about our car mechanic even for "shelling"

          So you mean that there was no shelling of the hull? And so you say that there was shelling of the armor packages? (I wonder if you laughed at the shelling of the Oplot armor elements?) Where was it? What guns? And of course you can’t confirm your words?
        6. Cynic
          Cynic 29 September 2013 21: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Kars
          shelling

          Here's what is interesting to me _ Term shelling why would it sound?
          As far as I remember, in this case another, more realistic term is used.
        7. sds555
          sds555 29 September 2013 21: 14 New
          +1
          "The latest news - MO demands the maximum acceleration of the implementation of the Armata program! At least Rogozin was given priority everywhere in this matter, and they demand the first fully functioning prototype by January! It was he who PROMISED Shoigu personally! biathlon next August !!!! And even more interesting, they asked a question about the possibility of participation of 4 prototypes of Armata at ... Parade on May 9, 2015 !!!!!)))) Troubled in shock! He is trying to mutter something but .. his authority is definitely a HUGE minus !!! Well, it's his own fault! And where is our Mechanic, his fairy tales also greatly amuse the guys on the Adventure!))) Who has not come there are new pictures of Armata- http://www.avanturist.org/forum/topic/ 157 / offset / 14700 / And ask the Mechanic where is the rear MTO in the sun ????)))) and Low profile chassis ?? " This is a post for August 21 alexpro66 then about the parade 2015 in the picture of the day nothing hung and could not hang
        8. Cynic
          Cynic 29 September 2013 21: 40 New
          0
          Quote: sds555
          Who was not come in there are new pictures of Almaty- http://www.avanturist.org/forum/topic/157/offset/14700/

          Yes, no matter how new, links have already been laid out here.
          request
        9. Kars
          Kars 29 September 2013 21: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: sds555
          This is a post for August 21 alexpro66 then about the 2015 parade in the picture of the day nothing hung and could not hang

          why could it not?
          Quote: sds555
          asked the question of the possibility of participation of 4 prototypes of Almaty at ... Parade May 9, 2015 !!!!

          pomnitsa in September 2013 promised to show Armata.

          for fun news from MAY 9 this year
          Where is the possibility of showing Almaty on 9)))
          http://www.dp.ru/a/2013/05/09/Kakuju_tehniku_predstavjat/
        10. alexpro66
          alexpro66 29 September 2013 21: 53 New
          +1
          Kars-troll)) You about Thomas and you pr Taras)))
        11. Kars
          Kars 29 September 2013 21: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: alexpro66
          You about Thomas and you pr Taras)))

          Well, I don’t know. I didn’t add anything about shelling / rastrell. But there’s NO line solution for you too)) and you were so anxious proving with the example of a Model like Soncepeck that there is already something.
          About the rut for a special order)) well, well.
        12. alexpro66
          alexpro66 29 September 2013 22: 07 New
          +4
          What else can I say about this, re-read the above written again if you did not understand about the shelling-shooting. And re-read about the modelka))) You got so involved with me that you don’t even get the point of what is written! Oh, how do you want me to lower the rating, you can even see that you don’t sleep well at night))) Would you rather switch to the topic of Oplot and unsubscribe there, I feel like a contract soon, but how will Ukraine return the money?
          "At night, a completely naked woman stops a taxi, sits in the back seat and says:
          -In Beskudnikovo!
          The taxi driver, not moving, looks at her.
          -Well, what are you staring at? Have you seen a naked woman?
          "Yes, I see! I’m not just looking and I think where will you get the money from?"
        13. Kars
          Kars 30 September 2013 00: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: alexpro66
          read the above again if you do not understand about the shooting-shooting.

          What is there to read? You didn’t prove that there was anything. They didn’t call the landfill, they didn’t shoot guns and how many ammunition. So there’s nothing to re-read, I can come up with the same thing from the ceiling.

          Quote: alexpro66
          And re-read about the modelka)))
          What is there to read - then you have MTO from behind, then there is not even a layout solution.
          Quote: alexpro66
          Oh, how do you want me to lower the rating, you can even see that you sleep badly at night)))

          I? Why? And at night (in my time zone) I don’t sit here. If you please, ask. By the way, 555, is your clone a campaign?
          Quote: alexpro66
          You’d better switch to the topic about Oplot and there they’ve written off, I feel like a contract is coming soon, but how will Ukraine return the money?

          Of course. But wasn’t it canceled in 2011 due to the flood in Thailand?
          Quote: alexpro66
          -Yes, I saw it! N

          In humorists podads rish? You better in storytellers.
        14. alexpro66
          alexpro66 30 September 2013 14: 49 New
          0
          Personally, I’m not going to prove anything to you, besides, there is a forum here (and not a dissertation defense) where everyone (yes you) is free to express their thoughts — and re-read the comment about shelling more carefully — everything is clearly written there, even you must understand! )))
          Yes, they caught me!)) There is no layout solution! In the sentence "the final decision on the layout has not been made yet ..." I accidentally missed the word "Armored capsules" And read your topic about the Armata at the 2015 parade, I will give him a separate answer - FOR EVERYONE TO RIP!))
        15. Kars
          Kars 30 September 2013 15: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: alexpro66
          I don’t want to prove anything to you.

          I did not expect anything else))
          Quote: alexpro66
          where everyone (yes you) is free to express their thoughts

          You express them together with the claims to AWARE)) and this sets you apart from the rest of the forum users
          Quote: alexpro66
          In the sentence "the final decision on the layout has not been made yet ..." I accidentally missed the word "Armored capsules"

          Well, well, accidentally missed))
          Quote: alexpro66
          So that everyone is in a hurry!))

          Thank you, I laughed at you))
  12. alexpro66
    alexpro66 29 September 2013 21: 21 New
    +3
    For this year, let’s say, the N-set of non-military tests with representatives of the Ministry of Defense is appointed, and the army was initially requested by the Ministry of Defense for 2014 in a quantity of 10 to 15 units. I previously informed about the parade nowhere else and there was no hearing .. (can we sat next to Dima when he was asked this question!)))))
    What corps for shelling are you talking about ?? the final decision on the layout has not yet been made, and even if they really wanted to shoot the hull - there is simply no free - and so they drove for a "special show" that they could and a car mechanic gives out such pearls here)))
  • berimor
    berimor 29 September 2013 12: 58 New
    +2
    But Shoigu was not at all !!! Obviously, all models of equipment and weapons were exhibited most likely not for the RA at all. Painting somehow warns.
    In short, everything is for sale!
    1. alexpro66
      alexpro66 29 September 2013 17: 50 New
      +2
      I wrote earlier that the whole exhibition will be "Armata syndrome" all representatives and delegations came just to see Armata and all the other promising models - competent marketing based on intrigue - they promised not to show it, but suddenly they will change their mind and show it !! - but no did not show, but the people arrived decently, the money was paid, we can still buy something from the old stuff !! And the next year, even more of them will come-INTRIGA !!))) - ONCE THE LAST TIME WAS NOT SHOWED IT MEANS THAT EXACTLY SHOW! Rogozin, in private conversations with the guests, explained more why they did not show promising equipment than they did their duties - that's how he hit the road from Tagil LEFT Sienko to answer questions)))! ...
  • Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 28 September 2013 10: 13 New
    +5
    Interesting! The color of the technique is specific. Is it not for Syria that they are accidentally manufactured (modernized)?
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 28 September 2013 10: 17 New
    +3
    How many appliances are painted in sand color. It turns out not for our country weapons. For sale. Annoyingly.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 28 September 2013 10: 22 New
      11
      Developer: The Kurganets-25 family of armored vehicles is fully ready and on the go
      The promising tracked armored combat vehicles of the Kurganets family are fully implemented, ready and on the go, next year they will appear at the Victory Parade, they said at the Kurganmashzavod, where they develop and manufacture this equipment.
      The Kurganets-25 platform is designed according to the modular principle, which makes it easier and faster to manufacture and repair armored vehicles based on it. It is planned to start mass production with the 2016 year.
      more details http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/9/27/652429.html
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 28 September 2013 18: 51 New
        +2
        Developer: The Kurganets-25 family of armored vehicles is fully ready and on the go
        The promising tracked armored combat vehicles of the Kurganets family are fully implemented, ready and on the go, next year they will appear at the Victory Parade, they said at the Kurganmashzavod, where they develop and manufacture this equipment.
        The Kurganets-25 platform is designed according to the modular principle, which makes it easier and faster to manufacture and repair armored vehicles based on it. It is planned to start mass production with the 2016 year.



        Here is some kind of strange post, especially the pictures in it.
        It seems that the text is about Kurganets-25, and in the pictures there are variants of the Burevestnikovsky BO with a 57mm old S-60, and a family of cars based on the BMD-3.
        Very strange post.
        What did you want to say, dear?
    2. uwzek
      uwzek 28 September 2013 11: 27 New
      0
      This is an arms exhibition, there is already gossip that Peru ordered our tanks. And to me personally - if only they could rivet tanks ...
    3. bulvas
      bulvas 28 September 2013 11: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      How many appliances are painted in sand color. It turns out not for our country weapons. For sale. Annoyingly.


      To paint is the simplest.
      The main thing is to preserve and develop production, and for this, we need to sell more. That is painted in the colors of the most likely buyers. Let them buy
    4. AVV
      AVV 28 September 2013 11: 35 New
      +2
      And enough for our army! First of all, it is necessary to interest an overseas buyer at the exhibition !!!
  • Gur
    Gur 28 September 2013 10: 34 New
    +1
    So all the same, they showed fittings, it means there are all the same
    1. Cap
      Cap 28 September 2013 17: 17 New
      +4
      “Only specialists and officials with a special permit could get to the second one. In the closed part of the exhibition, several new developments were shown, which are too early to demonstrate to the general public. According to some data, heads of the Ministry of Defense and the state were shown a promising tank based on the Armata platform. "
      So, either they showed "Armata", or not - science does not know this ...
      1. M. Peter
        M. Peter 28 September 2013 18: 53 New
        0
        Most likely the mechanic hung noodles on everyone's ears.
  • shark
    shark 28 September 2013 10: 45 New
    +1
    Thank you fabulously pleased. But there are questions to which I have not yet received an answer. And the name T-72 for urban conditions is an extremely necessary thing. What will it look like in practice? Will separate "city" tank regiments be formed, or will they be included as subunits in already existing units? how to determine the required number of such vehicles, will there be a "conflict of interest" between serial tanks and city ones? (the mass is different) BMPT-will be taken into service? its place in the staffing table? But the most important thing is that all these products go into series and as quickly as possible. That would not be smeared on the "export component"
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 28 September 2013 16: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: shark
      And the T-72 nomenclature for urban conditions is an extremely necessary thing.

      Well, "urban conditions" is a somewhat far-fetched thing.
      After all, the battle is today in the field, tomorrow in the forest (BTU, by the way, can be very useful there), the day after tomorrow in the city. What for each case have special tanks?
      I would call this project - strengthening the security of MBT t-72 with the help of good old and inexpensive means.
      Moreover, a set of these very means must be in the troops (not in the organization-suctioning, but in particular in units), as well as equipment for its quick installation.
      I especially liked the protection of the ZPU, how did the high minds of GBTU not reach this before? what
      Probably a terribly complicated technology ...
      Not for average minds! wink
      Most likely the bosses looked like ..., that is, sorry, the drum.
      A high rank himself, does not sit on the tower behind the ZPU, firing from NSVT, "imposing full panties" at the enemy's fire, but on the other it comes hard ...
      1. klirens
        klirens 28 September 2013 23: 22 New
        0
        Moreover, note - the issue of protecting the tank commander when firing from the ZPU has already been resolved since the 60s in a more elegant way. Both on the T-64 and on the T-80.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 29 September 2013 14: 56 New
          0
          Quote: klirens
          Moreover, note - the issue of protecting the tank commander when firing from the ZPU has already been resolved since the 60s in a more elegant way. Both on the T-64 and on the T-80.

          You yourself were in the commander's place in the T-64 with its "elegant" ZPU?
          Or maybe they tried to rotate it manually when the tank is with a slight roll?
          Or did you see a lot in ROM-5?
          "The issue of protecting the tank commander was partially resolved (you still need to load the machine gun out of the hatch request ), and here is the question of visibility, reconnaissance of targets, aiming, especially in conditions of limited visibility, no.
          And this ZPU is shaking on its pursuit when shooting cool, the dispersion is significant.
          In general, it’s not a miracle of military equipment;
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 28 September 2013 18: 18 New
      0
      Quote: shark
      And the T-72 nomenclature for urban conditions is an extremely necessary thing.

      BMPT-72?
      Just right for urban battles.
      Good elevation of less-caliber trunks.
      Good optoelectronics.
      A complex of guided weapons.
      A tolerable system of active self-defense.
      Decent firepower (just for fighting in the NP).
      What is missing is a good combat information system and communications equipment.
  • 31231
    31231 28 September 2013 10: 51 New
    +1
    The owner of our former office dreamed of buying Vityaz. It is a pity that he left for another world, and did not ride on it enough.
    And at the new office dolpojop, only watches with a Kruzak cost are able to buy. Okay at least yesterday to go look went to Tagil.
  • bulvas
    bulvas 28 September 2013 11: 28 New
    +1
    Commerce is the engine of progress
    All this is an exhibition of goods for buyers from warm countries.

    That's right, it is impossible to save production in a different way.
    It is hoped that all this not only looks beautiful, but also acts accordingly
  • samosa4.11.90
    samosa4.11.90 28 September 2013 11: 29 New
    12
    Everything is fine, everything is very pleasing and arouses pride! But for some reason, it crawls out of the subconscious: But it would be like before with a huge and powerful Union - the broad masses learned about the new BTT, and the equipment has already been in the troops for a couple of years and in large numbers. Eh, I agree not to hear or see for two or three years about new items, but in my heart to guess. "Do you see a gopher? - No. And I don't see, but he IS"
  • avt
    avt 28 September 2013 11: 30 New
    +2
    Good photo story good
    1. Dober
      Dober 28 September 2013 14: 02 New
      0
      Quote: avt
      Good photo story

      I threw pictures of polygons onto my screw.
      Probably the local "professor" from envy chewed all his nails to the elbows? As for the "clave" now will hammer ...
  • kind
    kind 28 September 2013 11: 38 New
    +1
    There is something to see in Russia !!!
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 30 September 2013 00: 28 New
      0
      There is something to see in Russia !!!




      At exhibitions, yes! There is a TV set. There are no exhibition samples in the troops. As experienced politicians joked, I turn on the TV, there is a restructuring. I turn off the TV, no
      adjustment.
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  • Diviz
    Diviz 28 September 2013 11: 42 New
    0
    There is some kind of information about the armata tank
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 28 September 2013 12: 12 New
      0
      Quote: DiViZ
      There is some kind of information about the armata tank

      I quote: "... The heavy unified platform" Armata ", on the basis of which the Russian tank of the new generation will be created, is finally presented to the public. True, only the Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Medvedev is very elite .... First of all, it should be noted that" Armata "at a private display at the exhibition of weapons in Nizhny Tagil demonstrated, most likely, several at once. After all," Armata "is exactly a platform, a chassis, on the basis of which a number of machines are created. a battle tank, a heavy infantry fighting vehicle and an armored recovery vehicle (ARV) ... "
    2. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 29 September 2013 11: 03 New
      +1
      There is information that the Armata tank still does not exist in metal.
  • Prosha
    Prosha 28 September 2013 11: 55 New
    -2
    It seems to me that tanks in general, as a species, are living out their lives - otherwise where does such a craving for BMPT-type vehicles come from, it's after all replacing heavy vehicles with lighter and less noticeable ones, but with the same characteristics and capabilities. Any missile can be trusted with a modern anti-aircraft missile: fighting tanks and pillboxes, with helicopters and other targets
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 28 September 2013 12: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Prosha
      it’s a replacement of heavy vehicles with lighter and less noticeable ones, but with the same characteristics and capabilities. Any missile can be trusted with a modern anti-aircraft missile: fighting tanks and pillboxes, with helicopters and other targets


      not really. Comparison of ammunition for rockets and shells, booking - in this, while classic tanks win
    2. pawel57
      pawel57 28 September 2013 14: 23 New
      +1
      Do not believe! Just a fashion from no competence in military matters. Presidents and ministers of defense clowns.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 28 September 2013 18: 25 New
        0
        Yep ...
        A lot of Drennouts left after the appearance of torpedoes and anti-ship missiles?
        Most likely it will be the same with tanks.
        Lightly armored wheeled platform with a crew protection capsule hung with a bunch of all kinds of active defenses and automated detection and guidance systems. Maybe even unmanned.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 28 September 2013 19: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: dustycat
          Yep ...
          A lot of Drennouts left after the appearance of torpedoes and anti-ship missiles?

          And they that appeared at the same time? lol
          Heavy ships left the aircraft carriers, if that. wink
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 29 September 2013 15: 27 New
          0
          Quote: dustycat
          A lot of Drennouts left after the appearance of torpedoes and anti-ship missiles?
          Most likely it will be the same with tanks.

          It will not, it is not necessary to draw such parallels, a different environment, different capabilities for detecting and aiming.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 September 2013 12: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: DiViZ
    There is some kind of information about the armata tank

    Rogozin twists nuts there .. will report back soon ..)))
  • samosa4.11.90
    samosa4.11.90 28 September 2013 12: 40 New
    +1
    The Russian Ministry of Defense intends to purchase 2014 tanks on the basis of "Armata" in 16 for testing. The new tanks are expected to enter service in 2015. "15:49, September 26, 2013 message LENTA.RU"
  • Russ69
    Russ69 28 September 2013 12: 43 New
    0
    Like they said. that the "Coalition" was represented on the basis of KAMAZ, and the photo is nowhere to be found. Or I misunderstood something.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 28 September 2013 12: 56 New
      +6
      another exhibition footage
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      2. REZMovec
        REZMovec 28 September 2013 22: 52 New
        0
        Scribe! We even bought a "frog" from the paddling pool ... You don't have enough mind to create your own ???
        1. 31231
          31231 29 September 2013 02: 20 New
          0
          Where does it say what they bought?
  • max702
    max702 28 September 2013 13: 21 New
    +4
    And what's new in BMPT except that they kicked out two people? The launchers, as they were without armor, remained, one fire station also remained, and can it fire at two targets simultaneously in opposite sectors? Have the surveillance and reconnaissance facilities improved? The feeling that BMPT simply cheapened and that’s all, the DZ blocks obviously became less.
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 28 September 2013 14: 35 New
      -8
      Fashion. Jews made tank armored troop-carriers of trophies for infantry, without a tower. Mobility, security brought closer to Merkava. Our monkeys made Terminator and emasculated the idea of ​​creating Terminator 2. Now it’s just a T72 without a tower and a serious gun. Maybe it will support the tanks, but who will support it. No one knows how to use it. A vicious circle. You won’t get much without tank infantry. The combat use is tested in exercises and in local wars. It happens that they do not pay attention to pulls out a war, and to whom they predicted success became worthless. Let him fight in Syria. My opinion is, as it were, superfluous.
  • sergey72
    sergey72 28 September 2013 13: 32 New
    0
    And what are these trucks in the last picture? Maybe someone knows? Tell me, if not difficult ...
    1. Michael_59
      Michael_59 29 September 2013 08: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: sergey72
      And what are these trucks in the last picture? Maybe someone knows? Tell me, if not difficult ...


      These are cars of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant.
      1st car, it seems - special chassis MZKT-7930 "Astrologer" (8x8)


      On its base it was supposed to place the latest weapons - such as the Iskander-E and the Bal-E coastal anti-ship complex with the X-35 Uran anti-ship missile system. The MZKT-7930 chassis is also intended for mounting air defense systems, missile defense systems, and combat control equipment. In general, this is a universal chassis.

      Characteristics MZKT-7930
      Payload, t 24,0
      Curb weight, t 20,5
      Length, mm 12699
      Width, mm 3070
      Height, mm 3025
      Wheelbase, mm 2350 + 3900 + 2200
      Ground clearance, mm 400
      Engine (type) YaMZ-846 (D, V12)
      Engine power, kW / hp 368/500
      Maximum speed, km / h 70
      Cruising range, km 1000


      2nd, as I understand it - the MZKT-6001 flatbed truck

      Wheel formula 6x6
      Number of seats in the cabin 3
      The mass of the transported freight, kg 10000
      Curb weight, kg 14000
      Gross weight, kg 24000
      Permissible axial mass, kg:
      front axles 8000
      rear axles 2x8000


      Engine diesel YaMZ-7513
      Power, kW (hp) 309 (420)
      Hydromechanical transmission GMP-400 (MZKT)
      Maximum speed, km / h 90
      External minimum overall turning radius, m 12,0
      Two-speed transfer case with a lockable interbody differential 1: 1; 1: 1,6
      Drive axles with differential system
      Pressure-adjustable tires
      Fuel tank capacity, l 2 x 250
  • Owl
    Owl 28 September 2013 13: 51 New
    +1
    The "urban" modernization of the T-72 would be very useful in 1994-1996 and 1999-2001 for our armed forces, now such vehicles are very much needed by the army of the Syrian Arab Republic for battles in Aleppo and Damascus.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 28 September 2013 14: 23 New
    10
    An incomprehensible structure on a tank, is it not advisable to install a combat module?
    In fact, the tankman leaning out of the tank is an excellent target for a sniper and this is already a proven fact in Chechnya, Syria
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 30 September 2013 00: 31 New
      0
      In fact, the tankman leaning out of the tank is an excellent target for a sniper and this is already a proven fact in Chechnya, Syria





      Not just for a sniper. For a horseman or smart teen with automatic weapons.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 30 September 2013 12: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: gunnerminer
        In fact, the tankman leaning out of the tank is an excellent target for a sniper

        Discussing the presence / absence of machine gunner’s protection, for some reason, everyone can’t remember everything together, and with what kind of hangover he appeared there. More precisely, observing the chronology of _ appeared, disappeared then appeared in different guises.
        As far as I remember, he initially acted as an anti-aircraft gun, then, with the development of aviation, it was deemed irrelevant and removed (even the troops were cut off from combat vehicles!), Then the Middle East happened (helicopters with ATGMs) and it became popular again. Protection of the shooter, in both cases, nah ... no one needed. The question of the protection of the shooter arose only recently and in purely specific combat conditions!
        hi
  • Docklishin
    Docklishin 28 September 2013 14: 30 New
    +1
    Where is Armata ??? sad
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 28 September 2013 14: 38 New
      +2
      Armata platform is shown to a narrow circle of people. At a private show. I think there are no such persons on this forum? Or is Medvedev here under whatever scary nickname signed up?))
      1. alexpro66
        alexpro66 28 September 2013 14: 54 New
        +3
        I can say I tried to climb .. but the special operation did not have success .. the shoes failed .. the security guard worked for 5 they wrapped me almost near the pavilion WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES))) with the DM there were two three people of some kind and all the other guards and gentlemen from UVZ and design bureau. DM is visible. TECHNIQUE IS NOT INTERESTING. HE HAVE IT TOTALLY 15 MINUTES ..
        and judging by the fact that Rogozin drove off to Moscow BB-will not come.
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 28 September 2013 14: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: alexpro66
          I can say I tried to climb .. but the special operation did not have success .. the shoes failed .. the security guard worked for 5 they wrapped me almost near the pavilion WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES))) with the DM there were two three people of some kind and all the other guards and gentlemen from UVZ and design bureau. DM is visible. TECHNIQUE IS NOT INTERESTING. HE HAVE IT TOTALLY 15 MINUTES ..

          Ai-yai-yay, what do you mean. The homeland had such hopes for you))) But you at least highlighted that Medvedev spent 15 minutes there. From this, it first follows that Armata does not have an integrated iPhone)))
  • bruserz
    bruserz 28 September 2013 14: 51 New
    +2
    Here is another video
  • marder4
    marder4 28 September 2013 15: 07 New
    +2
    the selection of photographs is very good, but, apparently, nothing fundamentally new was presented.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 September 2013 16: 36 New
    +3
    Trying to see the new development of the military-industrial complex (from the media). Does not work...
  • Stepnogorets
    Stepnogorets 28 September 2013 16: 52 New
    0
    Quote: sens99.ru
    Help guys, I can’t understand! Here is a photo of where the trunks are on the shelves. Above the SVD, below Kalash, but in the middle of what?

    It looks like a modernized 9-mm RIFLE SNIPER SPECIAL VSS “VINTOREZ”!
  • common man
    common man 28 September 2013 16: 55 New
    +6
    I just arrived from Nizhny. I was at the exhibition yesterday. Opinions of a "layman" not admitted to secrets.
    1. Not only my opinion. At the last exhibition, the exhibits were richer.
    2. The organizer who came up with an exhibition at the end of September would be suspended for one causal place. Cold, damp, disgusting. Therefore, there were much fewer people than in previous times. And the planes did not fly.
    3. They shot a lot, but somehow everything passed by. (He took binoculars with him.) Msta and Vienna shot at blanks. Although Msta direct fire could up the hill and pull. Pinocchio pleased, spectacular. The tornado, in the sense of Tornado lightened, surprised. He launched two rockets almost vertically into the sky, because of the low cloudiness they were not immediately visible, and after 3-5 minutes, two powerful explosions of these missiles were heard on the other side of the training range, 1-2 kilometers away. How can this be? Who in the subject tell.
    But in general, of course, a lot of positive. You can’t tell everything, you must see.
    Quote: sergey72
    And what are these trucks in the last picture?
    These are Minsk tractors.
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK 30 September 2013 11: 57 New
      0
      Hey. the announcer clearly announced that "now on the right there will be an imitation of detonating the volumetric warheads of the Smerch rocket."
  • pooop
    pooop 28 September 2013 17: 00 New
    +6
    mdaa, quite a while I was not here, forest reviews do not look quite organic considering the fact that in the picture) you need to add a spoon of dect) with your permission)
    let's in fact; what we learned to do exhibitions, cool, well done, put a plus sign
    what we learned to do something, but still the show, also well done, put a plus
    _
    but the content itself, already causing hysterical laughter, to put on display a pseudo-modernized technique, and even with a pseudo body kit, and even with pseudo-application) this is already beyond the scope of a reasonable ... sad sight
    __
    As far as the line of equipment and machines is concerned, the situation is absolutely deadlock, just a thrombus, and it is repeated from exhibition to exhibition, look at 2011-2012, the same thing, only photographed from a different angle.
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 28 September 2013 18: 22 New
      0
      Adversary is also not particularly active. Traditional competitors do not update the series every year. The German completes the cougar, the Frenchman stirs up something with tanks and armored personnel carriers, and this is not the first year, Amer is working on a new platform in the layout. Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, something in Southeast Asia, but this is in line with us and is not yet in front. A little dead end. I think that someone will create acceptable materials new in defense, a number of engines with something new, and of course weapons.
  • Turtles
    Turtles 28 September 2013 17: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Stepnogorets
    Quote: sens99.ru
    Help guys, I can’t understand! Here is a photo of where the trunks are on the shelves. Above the SVD, below Kalash, but in the middle of what?

    It looks like a modernized 9-mm RIFLE SNIPER SPECIAL VSS “VINTOREZ”!

    It looks like an AR-15 under the NATO cartridge 7,62x51
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 28 September 2013 17: 37 New
      0
      in no case screw cutter! something new
      1. Turtles
        Turtles 28 September 2013 17: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Alesha
        in no case screw cutter! something new

        Rather, something is not ours and the old
        http://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/civil/us/ar-15_m16_type/
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 28 September 2013 18: 29 New
          +3
          The modernized super-howitzer 2С19М2 debuted in Nizhny Tagil

          The deeply modernized 2013-mm self-propelled howitzer 152С2М19 was presented for the first time at the IX International Exhibition of Arms, Military Equipment and Ammunition "Russia Arms EXPO-2". This installation only this year began to enter service with the Russian army.
          2S19M2 is equipped with a programmable complex of loading mechanisms, a modernized guidance and fire control system. The driver's seat has received the required level of automation. The modernization of the ACS provided an increased (up to 10 rounds per minute) rate of fire, the implementation of an anti-fire maneuver with an autonomous determination of the current coordinates. The equipment of the improved "Msta" can automatically calculate installations for firing from closed positions. Automatic aiming of the gun and restoration of aiming after a shot is carried out.
          The "simultaneous fire raid" mode is provided, in which the target is hit simultaneously by several shells fired from one weapon. The weight of the self-propelled guns is 43,24 tons. The maximum firing range is 29 km, including the Krasnopol guided missile - up to 20 km. Ammunition - 50 shells. 780-horsepower engine accelerates the self-propelled gun up to 60 km / h. Cruising range is over 600 km.
          http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/41375/#cut
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 30 September 2013 09: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Apollon
            The maximum firing range is 29 km, including the Krasnopol guided missile - up to 20 km.

            Sdelanounas burst out a little.
            this data on the firing range is relevant for the old barrel of 47 calibers.
            In a modernized self-propelled guns (barrel length 52 cal.), This figure should be no less than 40 km.
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  • rotor
    rotor 28 September 2013 18: 59 New
    +2
    BMPT "TERMINATOR-2"

    Robotization of the BMP "Terminator-2" is not yet provided for, Dmitry Kolmakov, the leading designer of the Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering, told reporters on Friday.

    The Terminator-2 BMP will be based on the Armata, not the T-72.

    "Currently, the question of robotization of neither one nor the other machine is not being raised," said Kolmakov at an arms exhibition in Nizhny Tagil.

    At the same time, he noted that if such a task comes from the Ministry of Defense, then it will be completed.

    RIA News
  • Jager
    Jager 28 September 2013 19: 53 New
    +8
    I do not want to say anything bad about our defense industry, but after looking at the photos ... NOTHING changes. Throw tomatoes at me, but really, there was no radical modernization of equipment, and no. Was Mstu modernized? So it should have been done 10-15 years ago! And still it falls short of its German counterpart. And "Kaolitsiya" was cut down. I generally keep quiet about the host of options for upgrading the T-72. And what goes to the troops? The cheapest and the cheapest one, without any "Arenas" and other expensive but necessary equipment for a modern car. "Terminator" exists only as an exhibition model (a couple of sold cars do not count, because they did not go to our Armed Forces) and in terms of its appearance and performance characteristics, they do not agree on what is needed for the army. Was Shilka modernized? Yes Jesus is with you! What year of development is it? Still, the flintlock gun was modernized by installing an optical sight. ZSU-23-4 is an excellent machine, I admit it, but its modernization is just as late as the Msta. Plusanul exclusively for pictures. Hopefully, at the next exhibition we will see a truly NEW, powerful and modern weapon.
    PS: painful) and all because of the collapse of the "damned scoop" - the presented machines would have been in service for a long time and in large quantities. And don't tell me about "bread and caviar under capitalism", as I did not see it "then", and now I do not see it. But before, at least there was pride in the country. And now to stay afloat, not to pride. Has the Russian Federation saved Syria? Completeness, how much we surrendered without a fight ourselves ... Something I got nervous))))
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 28 September 2013 20: 30 New
      +1
      There were even dubious examples of the type of Terminator, especially the 2nd. For what? It shoots beautifully at a show. Removed the infantry, then put a more powerful weapon at 57mm. And who will support the Terminator? It turned out the T72 without a tower and a serious gun. About this machine they talked about the problem of combat use for a long time. In the fields and in the open, it will still pull, like in the steppes of Kharkov, Stavropol and Rostov with Volgograd, the terrain conditions are a bit more complicated and it is useless. It will be difficult for him to fight tanks on an equal footing, to destroy light armored vehicles, the tank itself and the bridge itself, and all that. All one and the tank and the Terminator without infantry anywhere. If you decide to support the tank in this way, except for 57mm. guns, add equipment to work with in a single air defense system and missiles to it, then support for tanks is really valid.
  • svp67
    svp67 28 September 2013 21: 09 New
    +1
    I am glad - the abundance of UAVs offered by enterprises, I think from it, you can choose something that will meet modern requirements;
    It is upsetting - the abundance of equipment in "desert" camouflage, which clearly indicates where they want to sell this equipment ...
  • svp67
    svp67 28 September 2013 21: 11 New
    +4
    I would very much like to see how the commander leaves the tank with this design and how long it takes ... Maybe it would be easier "not to fence in the garden", but to install an already worked out remote control system?
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 29 September 2013 15: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Maybe it would be easier "not to fence in the garden", but to install an already worked out remote locking device?

      The same thoughts, Sergey. Looks like money regretted.

      According to the city tank:
      The dump in front obviously does not hurt. That buzzing.
      Protection of the case is already not bad.
      Tower Defense - pleased with the appearance of DZ boxes to the right and left of the gun, finally. But the side protection (17-0 and 43-0) is lame, it was possible to increase the number of blocks. Roof protection - again, complete crap, sickened.

      According to the commander "box":
      They did something similar themselves, but they were antediluvian.
      The device is certainly uncomfortable, but necessary.
      There was an opportunity to just look out of the armor with a reduced risk of catching a bullet, and getting out of the hatch for the commander became safer and there was a little protection on the right for the gunner who climbed out.
      But getting out will be inconvenient, that's for sure.
      One thing I can’t understand yet, is this crap fixed on the pursuit of the commander’s turret or on the pursuit of the ZPU?
      How will the commander toss from side to side TKN? What do you need to open and close when using the ZPU? And TKN?
      If the turret rotates with this structure, then it krants the muscles of the commander, the TKN-3 is rotated mechanically by the hands of the "horns" ...
      I can’t understand this ...
      Can someone tell me from those who were at the exhibition? Himself this year did not go.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 30 September 2013 23: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Can someone tell me from those who were at the exhibition?

        Eheh, nobody wrote about the turret ...
        How can this kuda, damn it, be infected?
        Googling at leisure can dig something.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 30 September 2013 23: 50 New
          +1
          Lesh looked, I swear by his boots, there’s not a fig! Maybe it’ll pop up where, I’ll lay it out! A cockpit has been built over the commander’s tower, protecting the commander from the sides and from the rear from bullets. Such cabins were previously independently put on T-72 tanks in Iraq, Pakistan and other countries. In addition, the upgraded T-72 tank is equipped with laser radiation sensors and a system for suppressing radio-controlled explosive devices.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 30 September 2013 23: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            I swear boots

            What kind of boots do you have ...
            laughing

            Thanks, Sanya.
            I'll look for it too. This device interested me - either something sensible, or something completely stupid done.
            laughing

            I can't understand yet. But this crap "hooked" me.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 1 October 2013 00: 00 New
              +2
              Lech in the country two pairs, one chrome, the second yuft, quite youthful laughing
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 1 October 2013 00: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: Alex 241
                some chrome, second yuft

                good
                The same kit + lightweight tarp, at the weekend they put them on with footcloths, wandered through the woods - they collected the boletus ...
                repeat
                And the yuft is the most indestructible and solid, a little heavy, of course, but this is not a problem.
                wink
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 1 October 2013 00: 27 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  some chrome, second yuft

                  good
                  The same kit + lightweight tarp, at the weekend they put them on with footcloths, wandered through the woods - they collected the boletus ...
                  repeat
                  And the yuft is the most indestructible and solid, a little heavy, of course, but this is not a problem.
                  wink


                  Boots for a true warrior animate object. They need to be loved and respected as a person, then they will faithfully carry out their service.
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 1 October 2013 00: 31 New
                    +1
                    Quote: studentmati
                    Boots for a true warrior animate object.

                    Alexander -good
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 1 October 2013 00: 35 New
                      +2
                      A military man should be distinguished not only by the splendor of his soul, but also by the nobility of his boots, or vice versa laughing
                      1. studentmati
                        studentmati 1 October 2013 00: 40 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        The military should be distinguished not only by the brilliance of the soul, but also by the nobleness of the boots, or vice versa laughing


                        In other words, everything should be harmonious in the Russian officer! And this is the key to success, both professional and personal masculine!
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 1 October 2013 02: 18 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        not only the splendor of the soul, but also the nobility of boots

                        So that they can be worn on a fresh head laughing Sasha hello fellow drinks
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 1 October 2013 02: 21 New
                        +1
                        Hi Ruslan. Here you are old warriors, all appear after midnight laughing drinks
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 1 October 2013 02: 23 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        appear all after midnight

                        Service however soldier laughing The enemy is not sleeping bully
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 1 October 2013 02: 24 New
                        +1
                        Well, of course, I want to sleep, and I feel sorry for the Motherland laughing soldier
                      6. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 1 October 2013 02: 27 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        , and I want to sleep, and I feel sorry for the Motherland

                        We are shift and half-eye wink
            2. Alex 241
              Alex 241 1 October 2013 00: 47 New
              +2
              Lesh Iraqi option.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 1 October 2013 01: 03 New
                +1
                Another problem with the use of tanks in urban environments was the lack of protection of the anti-aircraft machine-gun unit — there is simply no way to lean out under the sniper's bullets because of the armor. This is what grenade launchers use. Although here everything is not so fatal. Tankers of Iraq, faced in time with similar problems, found an opportunity to solve it. They mounted protective shields on the commanding towers of seventy-fiftyies. This, of course, did not protect 100%, but allowed to reduce losses. And here you can get a very reasonable cost.
              2. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 1 October 2013 10: 27 New
                0
                Quote: Alex 241
                Lesh Iraqi option.

                Yes, Sanya, thank you.
                I also remembered about them when I saw our development.
                The question is the same: on what pursuit is this bandura fixed? TKN with a turret or ZPU?
                Lana, we’ll find the answer somehow ...
                The Internet is big, a lot of people graze in it.
                wink
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 28 September 2013 21: 21 New
    +2
    Hi Seryozha, it’s possible to stay without tricks.
    1. Armata
      Armata 28 September 2013 21: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Alex 241
      Serezha rips, you can stay without tainted.
      Hi Sasha. Already official appeared?
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 28 September 2013 21: 38 New
        +2
        Hi Zhen, here is the link http://foto.rg.ru/photos/33c4a1cb/index.html#1
    2. svp67
      svp67 28 September 2013 21: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Alex 241
      Hi Seryozha, it’s possible to stay without tricks.
      Yes figs with socks, if only a man was alive, and sacks are a matter of gain ...
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 28 September 2013 21: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        if a person were alive,
        Vague doubts torment here.
        1. svp67
          svp67 28 September 2013 21: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Alex 241
          Vague doubts torment here.

          So they torment me, and therefore would like to see how the commander leaves his place ...
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  • svp67
    svp67 28 September 2013 21: 51 New
    +1

    It’s not clear, here the weapon itself or its "body kit" is being advertised ..., but in the east, craftsmen see what they come up with ...
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 28 September 2013 22: 06 New
      +3
      ..................
      1. Armata
        Armata 28 September 2013 22: 10 New
        +4
        This is the T90CM, if only the teletubbies, the T90MS Tagil studied.
  • Donvel
    Donvel 28 September 2013 22: 56 New
    +1
    Do you want to minus, you want - no, but in the field of heavy armored vehicles that year the same samples. Mired in modifications.
    1. Kpox
      Kpox 29 September 2013 10: 35 New
      +2
      I wanted to find a metaphor, but did not find the most appropriate one. Simply put: what to do with thousands of units of "outdated" equipment? These are not beer cans - you cannot easily dispose of them. This means - to modernize, working out new developments in weapons and equipment. Particularly successful (like, IMHO, "BMPT") in the troops, and the rest for sale (both equipment and modernization service). Well, we can't trade Armat and Kurganets ...
      1. Donvel
        Donvel 29 September 2013 12: 36 New
        +3
        This is possibly the correct policy. But where is the forward movement? All these BMP-3, T-90, "Buratins" were developed 20 years ago, and during all these 20 years they were seen only in foreign armies or at such exhibitions.
      2. pawel57
        pawel57 29 September 2013 14: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Kpox
        I wanted to find a metaphor, but did not find the most appropriate one. Simply put: what to do with thousands of units of "outdated" equipment? These are not beer cans - you cannot easily dispose of them. This means - to modernize, working out new developments in weapons and equipment. Particularly successful (like, IMHO, "BMPT") in the troops, and the rest for sale (both equipment and modernization service). Well, we can't trade Armat and Kurganets ...

        The treacherous policy of Putinoids, to sell everything and convert from sale to personal palaces, Kabaevs and yachts. Under the guise of obsolescence and excess, the strategic mobilization resources of the Motherland are being destroyed. They are shouting about the uselessness and necessity of destroying supposedly excessive stocks of automatic weapons in the warehouses of the Moscow Region. What will we arm the assigned staff at least in a medium-intensity conflict like the Caucasian war? So it is with tanks. all will be sold. Only one tank production plant N. Tagil remained. There is no diversion on us or on power supply and there are no new tanks. Having a weak industry, it is necessary to have a stock of weapons for warfare, to give time to transfer factories to military rails. We have a big country and have no friends. Where do you get tanks in the East if the Caucasus and the Volga Volga flames. Rogozin take a closer look Cossack mishandled only more sophisticated with a patriotic phrase.
  • Glory333
    Glory333 29 September 2013 00: 00 New
    +4
    Russian-French BMP - it is asked why joint projects with the French, which have always been our enemies, are now also enemies of the faithful dogs of the United States.
    1. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 30 September 2013 09: 47 New
      +4
      Couldn't show 'Boomerang' and 'Kurganets' - they showed just such plywood misinformation.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 September 2013 01: 06 New
    0
    What can I say, there is a serious reason for ananism. For, except at exhibitions, we will not see these machines anywhere in the next five years. So we looked. Enthusiastic and forgot.
    1. Donvel
      Donvel 29 September 2013 14: 34 New
      +3
      Rather, we will not see it anywhere, except for exhibitions. All these indices "M", "CM", "MS" and so on are like a dead poultice - the T-90MS is only a modification of the T-72 and in five years it is not only the army - the world will not need it.
      1. sub307
        sub307 29 September 2013 18: 17 New
        0
        It is normal and more than adequate practice to modify well-proven samples. And, here, a few single pieces "without" analogues "- it's just a collection. As always - you need a" golden mean ", a balance.
        1. Donvel
          Donvel 29 September 2013 18: 32 New
          -1
          And to do something new is this inappropriate practice? Not a single purely Russian sample without the use of Soviet technology
      2. svp67
        svp67 9 November 2013 21: 05 New
        0
        Quote: DonVel
        All these indices are "M", "CM", "MS" and so on as a dead poultice - T-90MS only modification of T-72

        To say so, one must at least know the topic of conversation. Are you related to tank troops?

        Quote: DonVel
        T-72, and five years later he is not only the army - the world will not need.

        In the meantime, practice shows that even the old T55 and T62 find their customers, not to mention the T72 ...