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Perspective heavy BMP Russian-French development

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A few days before the start of the exhibition Russian Arms Expo-2013, a photo of one of the samples of armored vehicles scheduled for the show was released to free access. Unfortunately for the public interested, the armored vehicle in a single photo was covered with a tarpaulin, which could only consider the wheeled chassis, as well as the approximate hull and tower lines. The appearance of this photo led to a lot of controversy. The main issue discussed by experts and amateurs of military equipment was the model of the new mysterious model. The version that the domestic defense industry is ready to show at the RAE-2013 exhibition the first prototype of a wheeled armored personnel carrier developed under the Boomerang program quickly gained popularity.




However, the version of the first show "Boomerang" has been criticized. Due to the characteristic appearance of several units of the machine, a different version appeared, according to which the sample is a fruit of international cooperation. Shortly after the appearance of the first image, several photos appeared in which a prototype of the new armored vehicle was captured in the workshop of one of the Russian defense enterprises. A number of nuances, noticeable on the new photos, became the reason for the next disputes. Finally, on the first day of the RAE-2013 exhibition, work on a new project was officially announced. As it turned out, the armored car really has nothing to do with the Boomerang wheeled platform.

The heavy-duty infantry fighting vehicle presented at the Russian Arms Expo-2013 exhibition is the first result of a joint project between Russia and France. The project of a promising BMP is being created by the efforts of four organizations: from the Russian side, Uralvagonzavod and TsNII Burevestnik participate in it, and France is represented by Renault Trucks Defense and Nexter Systems. Among the organizations participating in the project, the tasks of creating certain elements of the new combat vehicle are distributed. At the same time at the moment in the project are widely used some of the developments borrowed from already existing developments.

According to the general director of Uralvagonzavod, I. Sienko, Russian and French companies participate in the project on equal terms and in equal proportion. For example, Renault Trucks Defense and Nexter Systems provided a power plant, transmission, fire control system and a number of other units of the built prototype. The Russian side, in turn, took over the main work on the creation of a set of weapons and the assembly of the finished machine. At present, the heavy BMP, shown on the RAE-2013, is only a demonstrator of the concept of a promising machine of this class. In the near future, the project may undergo major changes in various aspects of it.

Perspective heavy BMP Russian-French development


The chassis of the prototype heavy BMP is made on the basis of the French car VBCI, which is why the concept demonstrator is similar to it in a number of ways. Prospective BMP, like VBCI, has an engine compartment in the front of the hull, at the starboard side. Next to it is the office of management with the workplace of the driver. In the middle part of the armored corps there is a shoulder strap for a tower or a combat module with the necessary weapons. All the aft hull is given under a spacious troop compartment.

The available information on the VBCI BMP hull and the declared characteristics of the demonstrator car suggest that the 5 level ballistic protection according to the NATO standard STANAG 4569 is achieved by installing additional armored modules. In addition, the machine can be equipped with protivokumulyativnymi screens. The possibility of movement with punched tires, the ability to install an active protection system, the presence of a warning system for laser irradiation, etc.

At the moment, it is planned to equip the promising heavy BMP with a Renault diesel engine of 600 horsepower. and automatic transmission. With such a power plant, the 8x8 wheelchair machine is said to be able to accelerate to 100 km / h and travel at a single fuel up to 750 kilometers. The value of the maximum speed of the machine, obviously, may vary depending on its configuration. According to official data, the maximum combat mass of a heavy wheeled BMP can reach 32 tons. It is unlikely that a 600-strong engine is able to accelerate a car of such a weight to the specified speed. In addition, at the maximum level of protection, a promising machine is likely to lose the ability to cross water obstacles.

In accordance with the latest trends in the development of armored vehicles, the promising Russian-French BMP is made according to a modular principle. Load capacity at the level of 7 tons and landing compartment volume of more than 10 cube. meters allow you to use the chassis of an infantry fighting vehicle as a base for other equipment. For example, in the promotional materials presented at the RAE-2013 exhibition, there are images of the following machines. Heavy armored personnel carrier with a remotely controlled combat module and 12,7-mm machine gun, heavy wheeled BMP (this version of the machine is presented as a full-size model), anti-aircraft artillery complex with 57-mm automatic cannon, self-propelled artillery 120 mm and also auxiliary machines: armored repair and evacuation, command and staff, engineering and sanitary. Having a single chassis, all these machines must differ from each other by the set of target equipment.



Option heavy BMP, presented at the exhibition, intended to carry eight soldiers with equipment and weapons. For them, in the rear of the machine seats are installed. Embarkation and disembarkation is made through the aft ramp and two hatches in the roof. The placement of the assault seats and the layout of the armored hull can speak about the measures taken to increase the resistance of the vehicle to mines explosions. Own crew prospective BMP consists of three people.

The concept demonstrator is equipped with a new combat module created at the Petrel Research Institute. The main armament of this module is the automatic gun of the caliber 57 mm, which is the development of the C-60 anti-aircraft gun. Such weapons can be used to destroy lightly armored and unprotected vehicles, manpower, some types of fortifications and aircraft. The effective firing range is declared at 6 kilometers. The rate of fire - 120-140 shots per minute. The systems of the new combat module allow you to direct the gun in a vertical plane in the range of angles from -8 ° to + 70 °. Horizontal guidance is circular, performed by rotating the entire tower. Automation of the combat module provides the use of various types of shells, it takes from one to three seconds to change the type of ammunition. Inside the combat module there is a place to place 180-200 projectiles caliber 57 millimeters. Of these, no more than a hundred are in the layouts of the automatic loader. As an additional weapon, a promising infantry fighting vehicle can use a rifle-caliber machine gun coupled to a cannon.

An interesting feature of the new combat module, developed by the Petrel Research Institute, is the original gun cover. A construction similar to a truncated pyramid begins at the gun mask and ends at a certain distance from the muzzle brake. The reasons for the appearance of this detail are not well understood. Perhaps among the goals of the joint Russian-French project there is a reduction in radar visibility or other requirements associated with some views on the future armored vehicles. The version of reduced visibility can also be confirmed by the contours of the armored hull, which are several intersecting straight planes.

In general, at the moment the concept demonstrator looks exactly the way one of the first prototypes of a promising combat vehicle should look like. In its present form, heavy infantry fighting vehicles of Russian-French development can cause a lot of questions and complaints. It will take some time to improve various parts of the project, but potential customers can now understand exactly how a full-fledged BMP will look like, which will be offered for purchases only in a few years. According to O. Sienko, general director of Uralvagonzavod, the Russian-French infantry fighting vehicle will have to fight for its market share. In this case, one of the main advantages over competitors will be 57-mm automatic gun. The capabilities of such weapons far exceed the potential of existing weapons for armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.

The project of the Russian-French heavy infantry fighting vehicle in case of successful completion will have a lot of positive consequences for all companies and organizations involved in its creation. When orders are received, Russia and France will have the opportunity not only to make money on the implementation of contracts, but also to master some new technologies. From the available information, it follows that the Uralvagonzavod companies, the Petrel Research Institute, the Renault Trucks Defense and Nexter Systems intend to build a promising heavy BMP exclusively for sale to third countries. Thus, the main goal of Russian-French cooperation is entering the international market.

Export prospects for heavy infantry fighting vehicles are foggy. Since the first demonstration of this car took place just a couple of days ago, potential customers are currently only considering the possibility of future negotiations regarding the contract. Nevertheless, rumors have already appeared, according to which the Russian-French development was interested in the armed forces of the United Arab Emirates. Official confirmation of such information has not yet been. Probably at the moment this is just a rumor, although some features of the international market for armaments and military equipment can confirm it. The real export prospects of a heavy BMP will be shown only by time.


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  1. My address
    My address 27 September 2013 07: 37 New
    +6
    An excellent target for tanks and infantry. Is this a continuation of Serdyukov's series about the French "Mistrals" and the Italian "Centaurs"?
    1. bask
      bask 27 September 2013 07: 47 New
      15
      Why PR this this ARMORA.
      Where, the promised BTR ,, Boomerang ,, at least in a wooden layout ???
      Or us again ****** (deceived).
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 27 September 2013 09: 38 New
        +7
        Where is the promised boomerang!
        -----------

        I repeat once again it is presented, but at a closed show, if everything works out you will see
        After 2 years at the parade :)
        Or maybe not (but that's another story) sad
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 27 September 2013 13: 57 New
        +6
        Then what is normal when there are several samples and competition between them, and those that are not accepted by the army for the domestic market are exported.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 27 September 2013 19: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: Pimply
          and those that are not accepted by the army for the domestic market are exported.

          You dear voiced very I think. Absolutely arrogant in its immediacy _ to invest money in the production of equipment not accepted by the army in the hope that someone could buy it?
          And in general it is not clear why Russia is the old development of the French? It is clear that the Mistral and Ivek burps of a not so distant era.
          No developments?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 27 September 2013 20: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Cynic
            You dear voiced a very thought. Absolutely arrogant in its immediacy _ to invest money in the production of equipment not accepted by the army in the hope that someone could buy it?

            Tell me, before that - did one design bureau work? Remind me how the T-80 appeared? Or Korobsky and Barshevsky assault rifles, Diagterev's machine gun, etc.?

            Maybe you once study the scheme of the work of the military-industrial complex throughout the world? Or, perhaps, you will be aware that the norm is to invest part of the profits from the export of military equipment in development? Maybe you are not aware that technology can be developed not only by selling to the state?
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 27 September 2013 21: 42 New
              +4
              Quote: Pimply
              Maybe you are not aware that technology can be developed not only by selling to the state?

              Yes, as if the conversation is not about development, but production Do not shift the emphasis. And talk about our current defense industry. Alas.
              Quote: Pimply
              Remind me how the T-80 appeared

              Take a chance.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 29 September 2013 01: 18 New
                -2
                Quote: Cynic
                Yes, as if the conversation is not about development, but production, do not shift the emphasis. And talk about our current defense industry. Alas.
                \
                We are talking about the military-industrial complex as a whole and its principles. And the principles of cooperation and work in conjunction with international companies are commonplace.
                Quote: Cynic
                Take a chance.

                Google banned?
      3. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 27 September 2013 15: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: bask
        ARMORED SHIP.

        Smiled. Very similar.
        good

        Strange car.
        An armored bus with ... a solid module of increased power.

        Where is he good?
        For some reason, it seems that the action is somewhere in Africa in isolation from the main forces.
        wink
        A sort of comfortable for long-distance transport of fighters Mrap with 57mm automatic, capable of independently destroying everything except the "forehead" of the tank ... Ammunition for this gun: armor-piercing, HE and anti-aircraft.
        At first I didn’t like it unequivocally, but ... he can find his own niche.

        As far as I understand, this is a model for selling "to someone for money" abroad.
        IMHO in doubt.
        repeat
        1. bask
          bask 27 September 2013 20: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Aleks tv
          A sort of comfortable long-distance transport fighters MPI with a 57mm machine gun, capable of independently destroying everything,

          Not only that, the French and I set up a turret with an 57 mm anti-aircraft gun C-60. On a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle.
          In the army of Saddam, in Iraq, this was still done in the early 90's. True to GSh T-55.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 27 September 2013 20: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: bask
            Not only that, the French and I set up a turret with an 57 mm anti-aircraft gun C-60. On a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle.
            In the army of Saddam, in Iraq, this was still done at the beginning of the 90's.

            Hmm ...
            Iraqis soviet Soviet 57mm - set.
            Ours with the French for export 57mm - also cooked up now.

            And PT-76 as he walked with his little fluffy dog, so walk ...
            Cool.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 27 September 2013 21: 11 New
              +3
              Lash on the PT-76b set 57mm, though now that with this development ..........
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 27 September 2013 21: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: Alex 241
                on PT-76b they put 57mm,

                Hi Sash.
                I know, even at the beginning of the 90's they were rattling about it, only things are still there.
              2. bask
                bask 27 September 2013 21: 35 New
                +2
                Hi Sanya, sorry, I didn’t notice your comment.
                In the form of compensation Lesh (a little off topic), what kind of apparatus. smile
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 27 September 2013 21: 40 New
                  +2
                  Andryukh, it's okay, you wrote about it on another branch before, so all the laurels for you regarding this tank: The main battle tank TTD. South Africa
                  History Main battle tank Tank TTD South Africa


                  The name of this tank TTD is an abbreviation that stands for Tank Technology Demonstrator, which means - a tank for technology demonstration. The basis of this machine was a German tank - Leopard 2, rightfully considered one of the best fighting vehicles in the world. According to the military, this machine was to become the main one for the South African army. But these ideas were never destined to come true due to lack of funds, although most of the developments have still found application, but in the other machine. This machine was made in a single copy, and is now stored in the South African Tank Museum.

                  The main battle tank TTD. South Africa

                  TTD has a welded steel casing and turret. The machine is protected by composite armor. The tank had comprehensive protection against medium-caliber shells. All critical subsystems also have additional protection. The car received additional protection against anti-tank mines.

                  The main battle tank TTD. South Africa

                  The TTD tank is armed with a 105-mm rifled gun GT-7. She has a rate of 6 rounds per minute. It is worth mentioning that the TTD turret can also accommodate a larger gun - a 120-mm smoothbore gun. Most of the ammunition is stored inside the tower, separated from the crew behind an armored screen. The tank has an automatic loader. This machine has the tower of the South African tank Oliphant Mk.1B, which is essentially a modernized English Centurion tank, which makes this tower suitable for the modernization of not only the Centurions but also the Chiftenov, which are in service with South Africa.

                  The main battle tank TTD. South Africa

                  Medium armament consists of two 7,62 mm machine guns. One of them is mounted paired with a gun, the second is located on top of the tower. This prototype tank is equipped with a modern fire control system. It provides high accuracy fire even on the go. The machine is also equipped with a navigation system and communications. TTD has a crew of four, including a commander, gunner, loader and driver. The tank has a turbocharged diesel engine, developing 1250 horsepower.

                  The main battle tank TTD. South Africa
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 27 September 2013 21: 48 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    The main battle tank TTD. South Africa

                    good
                    Yeah. He is.
                  2. bask
                    bask 27 September 2013 21: 48 New
                    +3
                    Exactly good At first I thought Leo ...
                    Nevertheless, South African men are able to do armored vehicles. And not only wheeled ones.
                    RG -41 8/8.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 27 September 2013 21: 54 New
                      +3
                      Andrei is a German school, I don’t know how it is now, but in the 80s, South African pilots were among the strongest in the world.
                      1. bask
                        bask 27 September 2013 22: 03 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        s, but in the 80s, South African pilots were among the strongest in the world.

                        Ours with them in Angola, fought, the 80s.
                        It was a great country. And the army is first-class. Equipped with armored vehicles specifically for this theater of operations. (Mainly wheeled).
                        Now it is turning into Bundastan. When the Moors are in power, do not expect good.
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 27 September 2013 22: 09 New
                        +2
                        Yes, Andryukh, until our MiG-23s drove up, it was sour there. The Kubins are also strong pilots.
          2. bask
            bask 27 September 2013 21: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: Aleks tv
            And PT-76 as he walked with his little fluffy dog, so walk ...

            Alex, on the PT-76 in the 90s, installed a 60 mm S-57 combat module. But it didn’t go beyond the prototype.
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 27 September 2013 21: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: bask
              But beyond the prototype, things did not go.

              Yeah, Andrew.
              And in vain ...
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 27 September 2013 21: 37 New
                +3
                Hi Andrey, Lesh, sorry, didn’t say hello, so I found something, and the little music matches.
              2. bask
                bask 27 September 2013 21: 38 New
                +2
                Quote: Aleks tv
                And in vain ...

                That's all with us. So, in my opinion, 57 mm caliber is the most optimal for BMP.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 27 September 2013 21: 46 New
                  +2
                  Andryukh clickable laid out.
                  1. bask
                    bask 27 September 2013 22: 08 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Andryukh clickable laid out.

                    Thank you, I didn’t succeed.
                    Sanya, Lesh - I join drinks Yet.
                2. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 27 September 2013 22: 03 New
                  +3
                  Quote: bask
                  In my opinion, 57 mm caliber, the most optimal for BMP.

                  The caliber itself is VERY interesting ...
                  Whoever masters it ahead on standard armored vehicles (with the decision to safely increase the side-by-side), he will be in the "king" ...

                  Andrey, Sanya - have a good weekend!
                  I disconnect.
                  drinks
                  1. mirag2
                    mirag2 28 September 2013 07: 40 New
                    +2
                    But I think that 37 is more suitable for BMPs. The rate of fire is higher (you can shoot in short bursts), the RP is more powerful than 30mm. And armor-piercing is needed or not armored or lightly armored vehicles. And 37 is the thing. If you can’t cope, ATGM is .
                3. IS-80
                  IS-80 28 September 2013 15: 59 New
                  +1
                  What is optimal? More?
                  1. ramsi
                    ramsi 28 September 2013 18: 38 New
                    +2
                    the most optimal is "melon", and it is already there - just put
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 September 2013 05: 23 New
      +3
      ))))))))) I was still thinking: what is it so like? You are right- SHIFT !!!))))))))))))
  2. Apollo
    Apollo 27 September 2013 07: 48 New
    10
    quote-Quite quickly, the version that the domestic defense industry was ready to show at RAE-2013 exhibition the first prototype of a wheeled armored personnel carrier developed under the Boomerang program gained popularity.

    This is a BMP-Atom. Joint development with the French. We survived ......... well, there are no words, and the car doesn’t seem to look, I don’t look like anything, it doesn’t look, it sucks. negativeIn the Russian defense industry there has always been a succession ....... and then that. Minus infe. No.

    watch from 00-34 seconds
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 27 September 2013 08: 12 New
      +6
      Wheel drive is effective somewhere in Africa. And the realities of Russia require a car with tracks. This is a BMP.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 27 September 2013 11: 06 New
        15
        Russia is still big. Realities require both.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 27 September 2013 13: 58 New
        +5
        There is always a need for both tracks and wheels.
    2. Airman
      Airman 27 September 2013 16: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Apollon
      quote-Quite quickly, the version that the domestic defense industry was ready to show at RAE-2013 exhibition the first prototype of a wheeled armored personnel carrier developed under the Boomerang program gained popularity.

      This is a BMP-Atom. Joint development with the French. We survived ......... well, there are no words, and the car doesn’t seem to look, I don’t look like anything, it doesn’t look, it sucks. negativeIn the Russian defense industry there has always been a succession ....... and then that. Minus infe. No.


      It is not necessary to put a minus infe, but to those who decided that the French armored vehicles are better than ours, and went on joint development. This is how secrets are "officially" sold, and for this you can put up to the wall.
  3. roma2
    roma2 27 September 2013 09: 47 New
    -4
    Boxes in the inside are probably pre-prepared zinc coffins laughing
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 27 September 2013 09: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: roma2
      Boxes in the inside are probably pre-prepared zinc coffins


      Your sarcasm is not appropriate here. negative
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  5. klimpopov
    klimpopov 27 September 2013 09: 58 New
    22
    Honestly, here is my personal opinion. If in aviation, fantastic contours are already visible in the forms of promising new designs and they are pleasing to the eye, then in armored vehicles promising designs are more and more ugly and not stupid, I understand that you will throw sleepers, but there is nothing I can do about my opinion. Here is a striking example of ugliness. Anyway, if Soviet technology and its subsequent development are beautiful pleasing to the eye, then this ...
    And France has never shone with beautiful technology, always some kind of absurd ugliness. In general, sadness befell me on Friday morning after looking and reading about this "bus" ...

    And this, return the bars ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 September 2013 14: 35 New
      +2
      Beauty is a loose concept, for starters. It is important that the car save the lives of fighters.
  6. Pimply
    Pimply 27 September 2013 13: 56 New
    +1
    Do you assume that the combat vehicle should be the size of a model?
    1. Airman
      Airman 27 September 2013 17: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: Pimply
      Do you assume that the combat vehicle should be the size of a model?

      But not 3 meters high, lateral stability is small, and the target is excellent.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 27 September 2013 20: 47 New
        +2
        There was a comparison of the somehow considered low-profile T-80 and the "whopper" Merkava. Guess there was a big difference between them. If you sit behind the armor for more than an hour, you will understand that the difference of 10 cm will not play a special role - they still hit in the center, and there is a difference in the size of the box by 10-20, even 30 cm will not play a role. But so that the fighter does not convulsively bring together - this role will play. Or for the mine to do less damage.
  7. honest jew
    honest jew 27 September 2013 14: 34 New
    14
    Yes this is French VBCI !!! That's the whole power of Russian technology (nano), they can’t do armored personnel carriers without the French in Russia !!!
    1. My address
      My address 27 September 2013 16: 58 New
      -1
      Itzhak, just with them it is easier sawed. request
      All the best.
  8. user
    user 27 September 2013 23: 30 New
    +1
    "Elephant" on wheels, probably for the war with the Papuans.
  • Su-9
    Su-9 27 September 2013 07: 42 New
    +4
    Nda. It's easy to criticize this monster. But it’s very difficult to understand why it is better than a well-booked Kamaz or the Urals with the T72.
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 27 September 2013 09: 17 New
      +6
      A well-booked KAMAZ is cheaper, and does not pretend to a big name - BMP. I think so.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 27 September 2013 14: 35 New
        0
        These are cars for different tasks.
    2. pawel57
      pawel57 27 September 2013 14: 45 New
      +1
      look btr 90 sprout
    3. pawel57
      pawel57 27 September 2013 15: 20 New
      0
      different tasks
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 27 September 2013 07: 42 New
    +3
    As for me it doesn’t look very ... No.
    1. MilaPhone
      MilaPhone 27 September 2013 08: 06 New
      +3
      This is just a concept. Then a prototype will appear. Next is a test sample. The end result will most likely look different.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 27 September 2013 09: 59 New
        10
        Even worse?!?!
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 27 September 2013 10: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Milafon
        This is just a concept. Then a prototype will appear. Next is a test sample. The end result will most likely look different.

        Not the most successful concept.
        In fact, we have a French bmp with a tower installed from the modernized pt-76, all this is sheathed with plywood.
        In fact, a large fighting compartment is a plus, but one way out, the absence of loopholes and observation devices "-".
        Again, under the tower there is absolutely nothing? nu-nu t, e, if on the roof there will be no mock-up, but a full-fledged tower, at best 4 people will fit.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 27 September 2013 11: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: lelikas
          one way out


          Roof hatches, two pieces.

          Quote: lelikas
          lack of loopholes


          Do they really need and help?

          Quote: lelikas
          surveillance devices


          and where was the description of the monitoring devices?

          Quote: lelikas
          Again, under the tower there is absolutely nothing? nu-nu t, e, if on the roof there will be no mock-up, but a full-fledged tower, at best 4 people will fit.


          Firstly, a whole set of different vehicles is indicated there, and secondly, the dimensions of the combat modules are not indicated there at all.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 28 September 2013 01: 10 New
            +2
            Okay, watch the video - 50 seconds - see something similar to a pair of 50 * 50 hatches - how many people through them will be able to leave the car at once?
            and where was the description of the monitoring devices?
            and they are not there - no legs, no jump ropes.
            Quote: IS-80
            Do they really need and help?

            We have an infantry fighting vehicle - for a cuckoo it is needed if the infantry sitting in it does not see anything, does not hear and cannot do anything ????

            Quote: IS-80
            Firstly, a whole set of different vehicles is indicated there, and secondly, the dimensions of the combat modules are not indicated there at all.

            In the third (fourth, fifth, sixth) layout at the exhibition was one - and then believe it or not - everything is in your hands.
            Good luck.
        2. pawel57
          pawel57 27 September 2013 14: 47 New
          +1
          This is called misuse of funds.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 27 September 2013 19: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      As for me it doesn’t look very ...

      The Japanese have the concept of _ Shibui
      Shibuy is an original imperfection combined with sober restraint. Everything artificial, fanciful is incompatible with this concept.
      That artificiality and pretentiousness here to x ....
  • Diviz
    Diviz 27 September 2013 07: 43 New
    +7
    The kids from France started tuning. You look and get a duster.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 27 September 2013 07: 55 New
    +9
    Bullshit ... bullshit ... and bullshit again. It is possible to cooperate with Western partners only if there will be production in Russia of a full cycle of equipment, components and assemblies, as well as bullshit and plundering of budget money, with the withdrawal of money abroad, and only and no other way. I doubt that for countries third world ... that the French will not be able to weld the armored box themselves ... and there only this is Russian.
    1. MilaPhone
      MilaPhone 27 September 2013 08: 13 New
      +3
      Apparently for those countries that prefer Russian weapons, but on Western technology or the chassis.
      And we will release "Boomerang" for ourselves.
      Or maybe it's all a veiled transfer of VBCI technologies for their implementation in Boomerang.
      1. Airman
        Airman 27 September 2013 18: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Milafon
        Apparently for those countries that prefer Russian weapons, but on Western technology or the chassis.
        And we will release "Boomerang" for ourselves.
        Or maybe it's all a veiled transfer of VBCI technologies for their implementation in Boomerang.

        Not from them to us, but our technologies to them, all the same, the French are in NATO.
  • Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 27 September 2013 08: 09 New
    16
    In such a shed, even a blind RPG shooter will not miss. It was possible to make the landing compartment even higher. And handrails from above like in a bus, so that the crowd would ride.
    1. My address
      My address 27 September 2013 08: 37 New
      +8
      The handrails are great!
      I will continue your thought. Still missing the second floor.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 27 September 2013 10: 00 New
        11
        And the conductor's place ....
      2. Doctor Evil
        Doctor Evil 27 September 2013 11: 04 New
        +7
        London double decker with a combat module on the roof?
        1. Simple
          Simple 27 September 2013 11: 54 New
          10
          "... And handrails from above, like in a bus, so that you can stand in a crowd."

          "The second floor is still missing."

          "And the conductor's seats ...."

          "London doubledecker with a combat module on the roof?"


          According to your wishes:
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 September 2013 11: 56 New
            +6
            Still to shoot more with lasers and American satellites shot down. Pew Pew ...
            By the way, and an emblem in the subject, according to the latest trends.
          2. smprofi
            smprofi 27 September 2013 12: 42 New
            +8
            Quote: Simple
            According to your wishes:

            wishes, of course, are fulfilled, but not in full. the second floor is not visible.
            and somehow the entrance / exit is not very ... but how will a fighter in a wheelchair enter?
          3. My address
            My address 27 September 2013 17: 17 New
            +5
            The namesake, can not be so.
            You are like Ilya (Doctor Evil), you can sign up.
            And Klim with Vasya (see below) to the same place.
            Me for 60. I can with laughter and ...

            But seriously, the car is not serious. This is how a former tanker say.
          4. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 28 September 2013 05: 35 New
            +2
            it's MMP !!! infantry main vehicle !!!)))))))))))
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 27 September 2013 14: 49 New
      +6
      I would recommend comparing the actual dimensions with the same BTR-80. There will not be much difference in the sight, but from mines the protection and convenience of the fighters will be higher by an order of magnitude.
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  • ramsi
    ramsi 27 September 2013 08: 20 New
    +3
    where are the sunroofs? where are the side exits?
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 27 September 2013 09: 03 New
      11
      Quote: ramsi
      where are the sunroofs? where are the side exits?


      And this is done so that when playing preference inside this pepelats by draft, by chance, the ransom does not turn the shirt down. laughing
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 27 September 2013 09: 17 New
        +2
        nevertheless, I believe that one of the priorities - both for armored personnel carriers and MPAPs - is the convenience of landing. Some exceptions may be BMP, due to the small number of troops
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 27 September 2013 09: 22 New
          +5
          Quote: ramsi
          nevertheless, I believe that one of the priorities - both for armored personnel carriers and MPAPs - is the convenience of landing. Some exceptions may be BMP, due to the small number of troops


          Needless to say! Even a forest animal equipped with a brain the size of a hazelnut has the intelligence to make several exits in its mink.
      2. pawel57
        pawel57 27 September 2013 14: 49 New
        0
        To thump and tear women in it is beautiful and ride Rogozin around Moscow in a thrill
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 27 September 2013 10: 52 New
      0
      Quote: ramsi
      where are the sunroofs? where are the side exits?

      Hatches in the roof, they are in the roof, two pieces, the article clearly states. Why do you need side exits?
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 27 September 2013 11: 40 New
        0
        to blame, I didn’t notice from the photo in the roof, but in general there should be all three, because, you never know how the map will lie down in a battle ...
  • malikszh
    malikszh 27 September 2013 08: 29 New
    +4
    oh looks like a toy I wonder how much rubbish is spent for this.
  • slacker
    slacker 27 September 2013 08: 29 New
    +1
    The landing compartment is impressive in volume.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 27 September 2013 09: 00 New
      +9
      Quote: Loafer
      The landing compartment is impressive in volume.

      There was still a table for playing dominoes and preference, as well as placing equipment for drinking alcohol, screwed onto the floor and a beautiful rattle out for the ladies to go on a military picnic.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 27 September 2013 10: 02 New
        +7
        Recently, I’d like to apply your statement to all the developments ... I need another pool and a mini bar ...
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 27 September 2013 12: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: klimpopov
          Recently, I’d like to apply your statement to all the developments ... I need another pool and a mini bar ...

          in dominoes? in the pool?
          and why mini bar? who eats well, works well ... (in the sense: whoever drinks well, fights well)
      2. smprofi
        smprofi 27 September 2013 12: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Hudo
        for departure with the ladies

        a table is not enough ... there is not enough bed at least one and a half, with heating. Well, with the implementation of protection in case of undermining,
      3. pawel57
        pawel57 27 September 2013 14: 52 New
        -1
        Rogozin cooks for himself by jumping around the corner. Ride around Moscow, and the gun so that the Chechens do not hurt.
      4. Pimply
        Pimply 27 September 2013 15: 10 New
        +2
        Did you have to sit under armor for more than a couple of hours?
  • Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 27 September 2013 08: 46 New
    +5
    It’s interesting when we understand that MRAP and armored personnel carriers are two big differences ... And this is a mixture of armored personnel carriers and MRAPs - neither here or there ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 September 2013 15: 10 New
      +3
      BTR does not mean the lack of mine protection.
  • Kostya77
    Kostya77 27 September 2013 09: 07 New
    +5
    What a terrible concept ... horror on wheels! The French have everything in this style, but ours is where the head of the bobo or something?
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 27 September 2013 10: 03 New
      +3
      Bobo's head has been around for a couple of decades. Here only lobotomy will help
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 27 September 2013 12: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: klimpopov
        lobotomy will help

        uh ... maybe more radical? maybe shooting?
        1. pawel57
          pawel57 27 September 2013 14: 54 New
          +1
          Traitors and criminals in Russia are usually hanged.
    2. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 27 September 2013 12: 58 New
      +1
      It reminds me of some American cinema where they fought with insects. Although you can understand that this is most likely just a wooden model, proposed for discussion. Probably somewhere like that. Therefore, do not break too many copies. Wait and see. With respect.
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 27 September 2013 09: 12 New
    +2
    It’s very difficult to miss out on something in such a barn. And if you dig a trench, then an excavator is needed. But seriously, I think that it’s better if it is, such a gun is needed as the basis of BMPT weapons, and if we also make a programmable fuse and other new shells, plus a sub-caliber ... oh ... would sweetie, beware of the infantry, at the same time the car would get anti-aircraft capabilities. But of course it would be better if there was a second channel, consisting of a 12,7 / 14,5 mm machine gun and an infantry grenade launcher. And so that in the form of a separate module 360 ​​degrees. that would be the case. The car will fit in IL-76 only with the dismantling of the tower, it will most likely enter the AN-124 if the wheels are lowered. But the final car will most likely have a lower tower, with this even stability on the water will not be very.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 27 September 2013 09: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      It’s very difficult to miss out on something in such a barn. And if you dig a trench, then an excavator is needed. But seriously, I think that it’s better if it is, such a gun is needed as the basis of BMPT weapons, and if we also make a programmable fuse and other new shells, plus a sub-caliber ... oh ... would sweetie, beware of the infantry, at the same time the car would get anti-aircraft capabilities. But of course it would be better if there was a second channel, consisting of a 12,7 / 14,5 mm machine gun and an infantry grenade launcher. And so that in the form of a separate module 360 ​​degrees. that would be the case. The car will fit in IL-76 only with the dismantling of the tower, it will most likely enter the AN-124 if the wheels are lowered. But the final car will most likely have a lower tower, with this even stability on the water will not be very.


      The 57 mm gun is redundant at the moment in my opinion, and it was probably set up simply because it is the only available automatic gun of the next caliber larger than 30 mm. The second module is certainly good, but where will you be and how to put it, for what purposes, and what determines the choice of weapons for this module?
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 27 September 2013 10: 07 New
        +2
        Perhaps, medium-caliber cannons do not have the best anti-personnel capabilities, but they can be used to make infantry fighting vehicles, moreover, on a wheelbase. So in the "open field" and in combined arms combat there is artillery and aircraft to fight the infantry that have lain down. But in asymmetric conflicts and on urbanized landscapes, artillery and aviation are too late and inaccurate, and the tank operating in the orders of the subunits is poor: a high-ballistic gun with a low resource, low ammunition power, inappropriate booking, poor surveillance equipment.
        30-mm shells have a weak destructive effect (there are few explosives and fragments), especially against protected infantry, which leads to a huge consumption of ammunition (and even then this way you can only suppress the infantry, but not destroy). The matter is to some extent cured by the presence of explosive shells on the trajectory, but precisely that "to some extent." Plus the Russian 30-mm cannons: massiveness and uniformity.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 27 September 2013 10: 44 New
          +2
          And no one says that you can not do BMP with them. But 6 kg with an extra shot and almost 3 kg of a bullet, to fire according to machine-gun calculation, is probably a bit much.
        2. 31231
          31231 27 September 2013 14: 17 New
          0
          No, but what little things ?! Let's immediately put instead of 30 mm 122 mm? And let's call Clove-2.
        3. 31231
          31231 27 September 2013 16: 24 New
          +1
          and on urban landscapes, artillery and aviation are too late and inaccurate, and the tank operating in the order of units is wretched:


          The tank is wretched ?! Does this 57mm assault rifle mean a prodigy ?!
          I don’t know, don’t know, on such an arba I wouldn’t meddle in the city. All WGs will immediately fly to it.
          But the ammunition in it can be taken away a lot.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 27 September 2013 15: 14 New
        0
        About redundancy - perhaps.
      3. pawel57
        pawel57 27 September 2013 15: 27 New
        0
        I do not agree. Prospectively. The West is already setting, Swedes, Germans.
        1. 31231
          31231 27 September 2013 16: 08 New
          0
          And now what do we follow them ?!
          1. pawel57
            pawel57 27 September 2013 16: 14 New
            0
            take the musket
            1. 31231
              31231 27 September 2013 18: 49 New
              0
              I'd prefer a three on a beh. Convenience is not important to me.
              And on this let the Swedes, at least the Germans fight.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 27 September 2013 20: 49 New
                0
                Yes? This is you say so until the first hours of sitting under the armor.
                1. 31231
                  31231 27 September 2013 23: 10 New
                  0
                  I'm small, so it's easier.
                  in general, we went to the exercises for 6 hours on bats. From Eburg to Chebar.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 29 September 2013 01: 20 New
                    0
                    Quote: 31231
                    in general, we went to the exercises for 6 hours on bats. From Eburg to Chebar.

                    On or under armor?
                    And remember the level of comfort?
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 27 September 2013 16: 15 New
          0
          Well, here the topic is being discussed.
    2. ruslan207
      ruslan207 28 September 2013 08: 25 New
      0
      Kuznetsov 1977 is now not 41 years old and the size doesn’t play a special role for missiles; I forgot to shoot it, it’s better than PT80
  • Jarserge
    Jarserge 27 September 2013 09: 16 New
    +3
    It would be interesting to look at this miracle of yudo on our off-road, wheels and with such a mass and in a combat vehicle
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 27 September 2013 14: 58 New
      0
      She's for the garden ring
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 27 September 2013 15: 16 New
      0
      Have BelAZ ever seen? Have you ever been bothered by their cross? And there are both mass and wheels.
      1. pawel57
        pawel57 27 September 2013 16: 15 New
        0
        belaz go on the road and do not swim
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 27 September 2013 16: 20 New
          0
          That is, they are not used on the primer and on country roads?
      2. 31231
        31231 27 September 2013 19: 10 New
        0
        Well, I saw BelAZ. From 30 to 240 tons And he worked with them.
        Do you not know why sprinkling machines run in quarries? Because they are rear-wheel drive cows.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 27 September 2013 20: 49 New
          +1
          Well, the whole world is building an armored personnel carrier on wheels.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 27 September 2013 09: 20 New
    +4
    And they attacked, joint development, can generally be designed for sale and no more. Any plans, it has not yet been announced.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 27 September 2013 09: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      Any plans, it has not yet been announced.


      God grant that these plans do not turn out to be plans for cutting.
  • Max otto
    Max otto 27 September 2013 09: 22 New
    +3
    Actually, I thought about it, this is a product of a commercial office in the community of the same office from France, most likely without an infusion of state. funds. And they brought it to show, to untwist, and to sell to someone. What's so bad The guys will unwind, experience will be gained, and then they will portray something for the RA if they can.
  • 0255
    0255 27 September 2013 09: 34 New
    +8
    and the infantry can shoot without leaving the BMP? Or they really need to put in the middle of the table and play preference in anticipation of the BMP being pulled from the grenade launcher, it’s probably impossible to miss with such dimensions sad Will the French use it? Or did they create such a BMP specially so that more of us would be killed in case of war?
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 27 September 2013 10: 48 New
      0
      Quote: 0255
      and the infantry can shoot without leaving the BMP?

      Probably can. Through the sunroofs.
    2. 31231
      31231 27 September 2013 14: 22 New
      +2
      No, why are there loopholes ?! This is a machine for the removal of demobility to the place of departure home wink
      And the tower must be removed, it is superfluous in this concept. And then they’ll decide to shoot drunk demobil for fun.
    3. pawel57
      pawel57 27 September 2013 15: 01 New
      0
      Steal more money.
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 27 September 2013 15: 19 New
      -1
      Do you understand that loopholes are a useless thing?
      1. 0255
        0255 27 September 2013 15: 33 New
        +1
        Through the sunroofs.

        and where can there be hatches behind such a huge tower? posts / 2013-09 / 1380251133_774924_original.jpg [/ img] [/ center]
        Do you understand that loopholes are a useless thing?

        why useless? During the wars with Syria and Egypt, Israeli motorized infantry tried to climb out of BMPs and armored personnel carriers less often, and preferred to shoot back because of their armor. And this is g ... only in order to deliver the soldiers to the battlefield? What are its advantages over BMP-2, BMP-3, BTR-90?
        And with such a height, this machine will be a good target for everything, as it was with 3-meter American tanks during World War II.
        Such a BMP will probably come in handy only for dispersal of unauthorized rallies, if instead of a gun put a water cannon wink
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 27 September 2013 20: 53 New
          -1
          Quote: 0255
          why useless? During the wars with Syria and Egypt, Israeli motorized infantry tried to climb out of BMPs and armored personnel carriers less often, and preferred to shoot back because of their armor.

          You are talking nonsense right now. I speak as a person who knows the Israeli military doctrine, history, and military tactics quite well - the latter in practice. You, apparently, did not hold a grenade launcher in your hands. The difference is 10-20, even 30 cm; here the role will play a minimum.
  • Jack122
    Jack122 27 September 2013 09: 38 New
    +1
    I can’t say anything smart: I don’t understand these irons) but it seems like VBCI has shown itself well. Why are these "show-offs" and the participation of Russian companies? We were not allowed to do the licensed assembly and did the French hide the most "delicious"? Then why do we need it?
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 27 September 2013 09: 50 New
    +2
    It seems to me that this joint product is purely export, because I don’t understand what for it is the Armed Forces of Russia. We had a similar car: BTR-90. The only fundamental difference between the BTR90 and this concept is the location of the engine-transmision compartment. But the BTR-90 did not arrange for the military - we are waiting for the boomerang. Something tells me that the Boomerang will have an electromechanical transmission as on the recently shown prototype BTR-80 with a similar power plant.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 September 2013 15: 20 New
      -1
      What are the similarities - write.
    2. Metlik
      Metlik 28 September 2013 15: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: PROXOR
      The only fundamental difference between the BTR90 and this concept is the location of the motor-transmision compartment.

      BTR 90 can be deployed in place. Therefore, this machine will never go to the army of the Russian Federation. Waiting for the Boomerang.
  • theadenter
    theadenter 27 September 2013 09: 51 New
    +3
    Why side mirrors? Why such a healthy gun? Why is it unevenly painted? Is the radiator grill vulnerable? They will jump from it - they will not break their legs?

    Maybe it's better to leave the old proven ones than to accept this misunderstanding?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 September 2013 15: 23 New
      0
      Quote: theadenter
      Maybe it's better to leave the old proven ones than to accept this misunderstanding?

      And it’s better to fight with silicon rifles.

      Quote: theadenter
      Why side mirrors? Why such a healthy gun? Why is it unevenly painted? Is the radiator grill vulnerable? They will jump from it - they will not break their legs?

      You really don’t understand why side mirrors?
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 27 September 2013 15: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        why side mirrors

        I agree, Eugene.
        This is a really necessary device for everyday life.
        As it does not seem funny to someone, but it is.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 27 September 2013 16: 21 New
          +1
          Well, just look at the Russian BTR-82 and BTR-90
      2. theadenter
        theadenter 27 September 2013 16: 26 New
        +1
        You really don’t understand why side mirrors?

        And how to look at them? They are high. There, even the accompanying infantry will not see the rear. And look from the tower - too low.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 27 September 2013 16: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: theadenter
          And look from the tower - too low.

          Drivers need mirrors for everyday (non-combat) activities.
          Take a word - the device you need.
          1. theadenter
            theadenter 27 September 2013 22: 11 New
            0
            So, after all, there is an unclosed tower in front for review, as I thought at first? Not very visible from the photograph.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 27 September 2013 17: 15 New
          +1
          Somehow get into the place of the driver.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 27 September 2013 10: 20 New
    +5
    And what to do with such a difficult terrain? in the mountains and on the hills? the angular zone of the gun’s movement by sight is not big ...... Too high, there are no additional hatches for evacuation, no loopholes .....
    and I still don’t understand the bottom of the V-shaped circuit ???? The engine is picky about fuel quality, there is no unification with other equipment ........ if you choose between this shed and an old modernized armored personnel carrier, then I choose the armored personnel carrier
  • msv
    msv 27 September 2013 10: 25 New
    +4
    The article says that the car is for third countries. Most likely an attempt to enter the promising Arab-Asian market. As a car for the Russian Federation is ridiculous. Heavy wheeled BMP for Russia? Heavy just caterpillar. But many did not notice that this is a joint development. The 57mm cannon of the Petrel is a strong move. I read that it penetrates the side of any tank under the caliber shells at a distance of 1000m. Burst firing, more powerful than 30mm fragmentation projectile. Maybe a combat module similar to the Bakhche with an ATGM, a machine gun, and a 100mm weapon for a heavy infantry fighting vehicle will eventually appear at the Burevestnik.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 27 September 2013 11: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: msv
      57mm gun of "Petrel" - a strong move. I read that under the caliber shells at a distance of 1000m penetrates the side of any tank


      And if the tank doesn’t break into the side, can everything be dumped? laughing
    2. theadenter
      theadenter 27 September 2013 12: 15 New
      0
      But I don’t understand the meaning. Why does an infantry fighting vehicle serve as a tank? There is a good enough machine gun there. And against armored vehicles use the optional ATGMs.
      1. duke
        duke 27 September 2013 16: 08 New
        +3
        An infantry fighting vehicle does not perform the function of a tank, they work together with tanks, and sometimes instead, and a good cannon gun of this caliber will not hurt, for example, in the 57mm OFS, it is possible to put electronic stuffing to remotely detonate projectiles above the heads of the enemy infantry, against helicopters when working in the mountains or on the upper floors of buildings, from a distance, such as in Damascus, for example, where the use of tanks, for this, is not always rational. And on occasion, and help the tank, on board a foreign tank a line of 3 armor-piercing planted. Any enemy APC or IFV will be destroyed by shells of this caliber. I think even Abrash will not stand the line of 3-5 armor-piercing 57 mm shells under the tower. And if a 57 mm shell hits him in the forehead of the tower, he will break through the first layer of armor and cause the destruction of the uranium protective plates, I do not envy the crew - this is a delayed death. So how to look, although both the ATGM and the AGS 40-mm will not hurt of course.
  • largus886
    largus886 27 September 2013 10: 42 New
    +6
    This is Logan Armored!
  • duke
    duke 27 September 2013 10: 45 New
    +2
    btr-90, as it looks prettier, it would be rearranged in order to put the engine forward, and the exit back was and will be a good car, at least the durability of its armor is at a good level, it is reported that the btr-90's forehead holds shells of small-caliber guns up to 30 mm, the sides are 12.7mm bullets and this with a weight of only 18-22 tons, but what will happen here is not clear -32 tons. this is more than the weight of the T-34, with incomprehensible protection. The convenience of the landing is certainly not bad, as long as you can ride on the armor, but the run-in for shelling and detonation of this miracle should not take place in France, but in our country, so that it does not work like an Italian "lynx-iveco" The module is a 57mm machine gun, I think this is correct, if only a 40 mm grenade launcher, with a remote control on the turret, would be put and the price of the module would not be in terms of firepower. Of course, it remains to wait for the "boomerang" to see which is actually better. Of course, it's not a sin to borrow all the best, but so far there are more questions than answers. They say Nexter has made a good showing, I don’t think that the UAE, they just take him, there also the Finnish "Patria" participated in the tender. And I think the work with the French began with the Emirates project, because the Arabs wanted to pile a tower from the BMP-3 to Nexter. Perhaps this turned out to be not productive, so they decided to put a less powerful, but no less effective 57mm machine gun, cheap and cheerful, at the same time it can be installed on French cars, so this pepelats was created in order to jointly promote equipment in third countries, not to compete , but to resist such monsters as "BAE systems".
    1. 31231
      31231 27 September 2013 14: 28 New
      +1
      and what will be here is not clear -32 tons. this is more than the weight of the t-34, with incomprehensible protection.


      The funniest thing is that this weight is on wheels. If one front or rear breaks, will it be able to move ?!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 27 September 2013 16: 18 New
        +2
        Do you know how to make wheels and tires on an armored personnel carrier? Apparently, this is a futile business, wheeled vehicles, if they still do it.
        1. 31231
          31231 27 September 2013 19: 00 New
          0
          The question here is not about the survivability of the wheel, but the ability to move around when undermining the remaining 7.
  • vietnam7
    vietnam7 27 September 2013 10: 46 New
    +3
    The tower above the troop compartment, it is clear that the layout in the troop compartment is spacious. but if this tower is real, how much will it constrain the landing? 8 people are just enough to dig a "trench" for this baby, but they won't be able to fight any further, the flippers will fall off. He will not go to the army, let her go to the minibuses, he will have time everywhere and there is no need for a separate lane, so everyone will scatter :)
  • Russ69
    Russ69 27 September 2013 10: 47 New
    +2
    Another project with a paddling pool, stretches from the time of Serdyukov.

    In 2014, Naberezhnye Chelny will produce the first French armored vehicles Panhard M-11
    In 2014, the first three prototypes are planned to be transferred for testing by the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of the Interior of Russia.


    http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/army/3781-1.html
    1. duke
      duke 27 September 2013 15: 41 New
      +1
      By the way, the machine is not bad, it would only have stronger armor and a more powerful engine, the module would be remote, and for reconnaissance laughing ... drives silently.
  • marat1000
    marat1000 27 September 2013 10: 55 New
    +3
    By nature Logan ... tongue
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 27 September 2013 11: 10 New
    +2
    Why are we still hobbling with NATO? France dreams of aggression against Syria, so this project must be closed with a big crash. And others too.
    1. duke
      duke 27 September 2013 15: 54 New
      +1
      not so simple, politics however, with a roar it is certainly possible, but not productive. Here there is an attempt to gain access to their technologies ... but now it’s not rolling in the country, Russia is still not the USSR, do not forget ...
  • Slevinst
    Slevinst 27 September 2013 11: 28 New
    0
    Enough with the pees ... yaksya lizzy! their brains seem to be gone! BMP for the comfortable movement of soldiers and not for war, found with whom to build military equipment.
  • ROA
    ROA 27 September 2013 11: 37 New
    +1
    Hmm, the goods are on the foreign market, not Russian. And the technologies used in this product can be applied at home.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 27 September 2013 11: 54 New
      +5
      Yes, technology has long been known.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 September 2013 11: 57 New
    +2
    And how to jump the crew on it? With overclocking? With a ladder stand?
    1. duke
      duke 27 September 2013 15: 42 New
      +2
      It means that you need to drive inside the car, and not outside ...
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 28 September 2013 00: 10 New
        0
        the crew of the car, not the landing ...
  • olegff68
    olegff68 27 September 2013 12: 00 New
    +3
    And where are the three cannon towers for this land battleship (battleship in size and weight, but not in armor and weapons) ??? For which theaters VD came up with this overgrowth with very modest characteristics ???
  • the47th
    the47th 27 September 2013 12: 00 New
    +4
    I wonder what the BTR-90 is not satisfied with. He, at least, is already ready and tested, besides, "Bakhcha-U" becomes on him, and with her in terms of firepower among armored personnel carriers he will not have equal.
    1. duke
      duke 27 September 2013 15: 49 New
      +3
      yes BTR-90 - with a Bahcha module or this 57 mm automatic (but with AGS), like a wheeled tank, there wouldn’t be a price, and it doesn’t matter for the tank that the hatches are on the sides, this is even better, because for loading ammunition, it’s the most, and even for an emergency exit by a crew of 4 people, it’s enough. In addition, the BTR-90 is a large, wheeled tank, for example, you can pick up downed pilots or land small reconnaissance groups. For the purpose of an armored personnel carrier, the 90th can be rearranged, a way out, this machine is in nature, everything for its repair and maintenance is provided.
  • Coward
    Coward 27 September 2013 12: 17 New
    +3
    Perspective heavy BMP Russian-French development

    That's what I look, facial features are not Russian.
  • Hikar
    Hikar 27 September 2013 12: 56 New
    +1
    It is so high because they want to apparently wean our infantry from riding on armor and not inside
  • Wii
    Wii 27 September 2013 13: 17 New
    +4
    No, it's not a logan. This is a land current mistral.
  • Andreitas
    Andreitas 27 September 2013 13: 23 New
    +1
    Such a tall silhouette is a wonderful target.
    1. duke
      duke 27 September 2013 15: 51 New
      0
      Well, these are all Western cars of such dimensions, you still need to get close to such targets. There are thermal imagers, modules with remote control, green does not help very much. Although you can jerk any car.
      1. 0255
        0255 27 September 2013 17: 21 New
        +2
        Well, these are all Western cars of such dimensions, you still need to get close to such targets. There are thermal imagers, modules with remote control, green does not help very much. Although you can jerk any car.

        For aviation or long-range artillery, such a BPM is an excellent target, thermal imagers and electronics will not help. Another question is what quality thermal imagers will be for the Russian version. The KA-52 helicopter was also first made in the French Thomson radar, the drawing is clickable.
        1. 0255
          0255 27 September 2013 17: 25 New
          +1
          pay attention to the equipment in the bow of the prototype Ka-52, where and why did it disappear from production vehicles? Not just like that, probably sad Why was French electronics abandoned?
  • nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 27 September 2013 13: 34 New
    -1
    How many hectares of Champs Elysees were received by someone for introducing equipment that was not particularly good for our conditions. Their design bureaus cannot overclock them. We will recruit foreigners more and in currency it is necessary to pay and something worthwhile will stick to their hands. Eeeh
  • 31231
    31231 27 September 2013 14: 02 New
    +1
    Just some kind of Acacia on wheels.
    1. My address
      My address 27 September 2013 14: 47 New
      +1
      But without the benefits of Acacia. Not a car for infantry.
      Here I am sitting with a platoon of T-62 and rushing at me a hundred of these. It is T-62, I don’t already know others. So I have all these in the forehead. 115 mm allow. And now what tanks? Yes, better armor BMP half as much, but so that the height is less than one and a half.
  • honest jew
    honest jew 27 September 2013 14: 36 New
    +5
    Quote: bask
    Why PR this this ARMORA. Where, the promised BTR ,, Boomerang ,, at least in a wooden layout ??? Or us again ****** (deceived).



    You’ve been living in Russia for so many years and you only now began to understand this?
  • bubla5
    bubla5 27 September 2013 14: 38 New
    +1
    Judging by the photo, another expensive toy to disperse the population
  • Exististor
    Exististor 27 September 2013 15: 15 New
    +3
    Yeah! You read the comments and you wonder. What makes you think that they are going to buy this car from us? This unit was created jointly with the French solely at the expense of the developer himself, which is why fans scream from the couch "What do the bastards spend my taxes on !!!" can calm down and cover shit, your "shekels" are not here from the word at all. This BMP is intended for export sales, to those markets where our products were not very popular. This is an absolutely normal situation. I assure you all manufacturers of weapons and military equipment do the same. The only cut that can be seen here is the brain cut of some unreasonable commentators.
  • washi
    washi 27 September 2013 15: 26 New
    0
    We have no colonies where it is necessary to bring the natives (for now) to order. Maybe in the former territory of the Holy Roman Empire?
  • Pimply
    Pimply 27 September 2013 15: 28 New
    +6
    For starters, the development of not one machine, but several is a plus. A developer who believes that he has everything in his pocket easily relaxes. Competition is buzzing.

    A machine assembled together is also good. The usual situation for the international defense industry. These are communications, technologies, access to new markets and a new level.
  • pawel57
    pawel57 27 September 2013 15: 32 New
    0
    why all these disputes and assessments. Rogozin on a tiger will travel around Moscow, and on this one along Brussels.
  • pawel57
    pawel57 27 September 2013 15: 34 New
    0
    Disputes are superfluous. Rogozin will ride the Tiger in Moscow, and this one in Brussels. That the adversary was scared.
  • Moore
    Moore 27 September 2013 15: 53 New
    +1
    It is not clear what inspired to call this glamorous pepelats BMP? What signs of BMP does he have? The ability to act in the same battle order with tanks (no one canceled the control unit of the SV)? Destroy, if necessary, not only lightly armored objects, but also enemy tanks? To fire a landing?
    With a stretch it is an armored personnel carrier. A stretch - because figs where you hide it at a strong point.
    Most of all, it looks like a bus for transporting civilized Europeans to the place where you need to drive the Papuans.
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 27 September 2013 16: 20 New
      0
      Papuans are we?
  • msv
    msv 27 September 2013 16: 24 New
    0
    Quote: IS-80
    Quote: msv
    57mm gun of "Petrel" - a strong move. I read that under the caliber shells at a distance of 1000m penetrates the side of any tank


    And if the tank doesn’t break into the side, can everything be dumped? laughing

    No, of course, this is for clarity of comparison with 30mm.
  • butum
    butum 27 September 2013 17: 23 New
    +3
    Tell me, why is it worse than the BMP-2 or BTR-80 ?, yes, it’s better, some people say RPGeshnik’s dream, what’s impossible to get into the BTR-80 ?, it’s easy to get in, some can still say that the BTR-80 breaks the RPG grenade through and through, and this helps to survive)), then what is the firing range and RPG-7 ?. Is it better to sit in the BTR-80 infantry ?, otherwise it’s actually a premium class where you feel like a person and a person who cares about the state. If this machine has anti-mine bottom protection, and excellent armor, well, the price is appropriate, why not, it’s good comfortable, safe and notice that there isn’t even a hint of landing on top, that is, there are no handrails. The only thing that bothers is the angle of the trunk, it seems to me very small
    1. 31231
      31231 27 September 2013 19: 17 New
      0
      Judging by the weight and size, this also PG-7 will sometimes pierce through from the side.
      32 tons in full combat gear for such an arba do not promise high reservations.
  • GUSAR
    GUSAR 27 September 2013 17: 26 New
    +2
    Well, the bus is good, so it would be better to immediately put a tower with a machine gun on the PAZ ...
  • butum
    butum 27 September 2013 17: 29 New
    0
    We had armored Urals in Chechnya, why not a bus?
    1. pawel57
      pawel57 27 September 2013 19: 47 New
      0
      They did not support infantry in battle