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How and what is fed in the Russian army?

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Those who served, he understands: the modest joys of a soldier going through the "urgent" - news from home, infrequent layoffs, the command "hang up" and, of course, eating. True, the problem is that not everyone can say with pride: they fed us well in the army. Today, military officials are doing a lot to make the modern Russian soldier happy with his ration. It must be admitted that there are fewer and fewer disgruntled army breakfasts, lunches and dinners among soldiers serving in conscription.


How and what is fed in the Russian army?
One-day diet of the Russian soldier


The main reason is that the army ration for the last 2-3 of the year has undergone significant changes, and the changes are clearly for the better. In the hundreds of soldiers' canteen military units, soldiers are offered not just quality food, but also a choice. The older and middle generations, arguing about their “choice”, may, with a sigh, recall only a choice in the format: eat or not eat ... Today, cooks offer a whole range of dishes, the choice of each of which is the right of a soldier. In addition, in a number of military units, soldiers are given the opportunity to anonymously fill out a questionnaire in which the fighter is entitled not only to assess the quality and completeness of the ration in the canteen, but also to make suggestions. Obviously, the proposals to supplement soldiers' dinners with truffles or black caviar turn into Hochma, but on the whole this practice (and mass) for the national army is something unprecedented.

So far, the “buffet” option is not implemented in all soldiers' canteens, but the number of such canteens is growing every year. The Russian conscript soldier gets the opportunity to choose from a pair of first courses, two or three second courses, as well as from 4-5 salads and other "snacks". Among other things - tea, coffee drink, juice or compote with a bun or other confectionery product. The total energy value of the daily ration of the Russian soldier today is 4300 kcal. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense say that according to this indicator, the Russian army today is ahead of the rest. In most armies of the world, the soldier’s daily ration is no more than 3700 kcal.

The calculations of specialists in healthy nutrition, as well as the opinions of high military ranks, suggest that such a number of calories can be ideal for a soldier only if a soldier consumes energy efficiently with food. If a soldier who receives a large number of calories per day, systematically staggers in the barracks or unhurriedly move from one object to another, without participating in real military training, exercises and other occupations of the proper amount of calories, then we can expect a man with extra chins ...

To calculate the daily ration of a modern soldier, today the Harris-Benedict formula is used. Brought her to the United States, and took into circulation in the 2005-th year. In Russia, it began to be used quite recently. The results of calculating the required daily energy obtained from food, according to this formula for an 18-year-old soldier with a height of 175 cm and a body weight in 70 kg, are as follows:

when taking into account daily physical exertion and intensive training in various types of army training, soldiers should receive about 3400-3500 kcal per day. This energy will be spent on maintaining the weight of the fighter and on the fact that physical fatigue does not affect his health.

If we go back to those 4300 kcal, which, according to the representatives of the Ministry of Defense, the RA soldiers receive, then it turns out that 900 kcal remain redundant and go to an increase in body weight. This is great for soldiers with low body mass and tall, but for others ...

Calories will not be redundant only in cases where the soldiers literally do not sit still, and when the intensity of employment is brought to the limit. 4300 kcal per day consumes 18-year-old young man engaged in intense physical activity during the working day, while his height and body weight of this soldier must be 195 cm and 95 kg, respectively ... More than five thousand calories per day are consumed in the case of many kilometers of marches full equipment with the forcing of various obstacles, firing and other relevant attributes. But not every day the fighters are sent to these marches and exercises.

And not all fighters serving in conscription in Armenia can boast of heroic parameters. This leads to serious fears: did our high military ranks fall into another extreme - then the soldiers dreamed of a piece of soft bread, now - the commanders dream of how to make the soldiers burn the accumulated calories. Is the middle ground slipped again?

So, if we return to the results of using the Harris-Benedict calculation mechanism, then it turns out that even with excessively intensive army occupations, the overwhelming majority of soldiers will gain weight.

But, considering this question, you still do not need to exaggerate. The fact is that 4300 Kcal is the maximum food energy that a modern Russian soldier can receive. Not every fighter will, as they say, rest at the table to the last in order to swallow everything that is in his plate. After a few meals, according to the soldiers themselves, they understand whether they are ready to master the rations offered in their entirety or not. That is, a soldier who has a head on his shoulders and in this head - thoughts on the assessment of the amount of food taken, he can choose from the option that suits him. True, it also does not do without additional pitfalls: firstly, not all soldiers are ready to reasonably assess the needs of their bodies, and therefore not everyone is ready to limit themselves in food (as they say, they give - take them); secondly, a mass restriction leads to the emergence of mass balances, and this is budget funds.

In general, for the time being it should be stated that the power system in the Russian army is still in the mode of approaching the best options. Obviously, the extra calories, and therefore the extra weight of the soldier, are completely useless (we are not talking about those who will not interfere with gaining weight). If you compare the rations by the number of calories with other armies of the world, then the Russian one is, indeed, among the leaders. For example, in the USA and Germany, where the intensity of the army training of soldiers, at least not lower than the Russian, they decided to slightly reduce the energy value of the diet, bringing it to the top bar in 3800-3900 kcal. The United States today is keeping the bar on the number of soldiers suffering from obesity. The American budget spends more than 1 billion dollars on their treatment every year! Will we catch up? ..

Only now, while the cars with the obese "demobels" in Russia have not met ...
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 9 September 2013 08: 19
    26
    Bigus and chopping are our everything. smile
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 9 September 2013 08: 49
      +5
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Bigus and chopping are our everything.

      A wonderful recipe for obesity, and most importantly for free, the army will provide THIS! laughing
    2. Mitek
      Mitek 9 September 2013 10: 10
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Bigus and chopping are our everything. smile

      I also remember the canned tomatoes that started to go out))) but that was only once. and in general, for the beginning of the 90s, they still fed us nothing ... but we were a military school after all) True, we still don’t eat porridge))))))) Got enough!)
    3. MAG
      MAG 9 September 2013 10: 27
      +5
      And in our country we fed horns with bugs and boobies and fat from storage in 1943 was blue from the chemical and hairy. He drank only tea and bread, and now paradise for the stomach is not in vain that soldiers are getting fat))
      1. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY 9 September 2013 15: 28
        +3
        MAG beetles and bubi still nothing! Most of all, combi got fat, and now with a shudder I recall heartburn - damn the feeling that acid drank.
      2. Mitek
        Mitek 9 September 2013 19: 08
        +2
        Quote: MAG
        And in our country we fed horns with bugs and boobies and fat from storage in 1943 was blue from the chemical and hairy. He drank only tea and bread, and now paradise for the stomach is not in vain that soldiers are getting fat))

        Yes! Right! It was hairy fat. Forgive my French, we called it 3.14 month))) And also the commissary)) They pricked with bayonet-knives and fried brown bread on it))
        1. MAG
          MAG 9 September 2013 19: 25
          +5
          I got wild heartburn from alcohol bread. A year ago, a familiar loaf of spirits drove gave his wife a try to make her conclusion, the Russian soldier is invincible once he can eat such a kaku)))))
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 9 September 2013 19: 50
            +1
            Quote: MAG
            spirit bread

            Yeah, there is such a letter.
            You can’t eat a lot of it. We had them in the form of loaves in cellophane.
            yes
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 September 2013 19: 55
              +4
              And this is generally a killer thing! laughing
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 9 September 2013 19: 56
                0
                ...................................
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 September 2013 19: 57
                  +1
                  .........................................
              2. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 9 September 2013 20: 05
                +1
                Quote: Alex 241
                And this is generally a killer thing!

                As I saw this pack, I immediately remembered the taste of barley ...
                Br ...
                laughing

                Somehow recently I was enthusiastically told about the benefits of such a swill.
                Oh well. So we, in due time, pretty much stuffed our "organism" with "benefit".

                In general, when I was a cadet youth, I “walked” around the canteen without any problems.
                Kornegryzka only tired a little, and "cooking", "disco" and "distribution" are quite cool when you get used to it.
                But you are hawking from the belly and ... all the same.
                Kissel, in which the spoon stands, was seen only there.
                At one time, there were no products at the beginning of the 90's and opened stocks. Tushnyak is ancient and ... awesomely tasty. They opened the cans with a wide knife like a bread-cutter, they simply chopped the can in half. There is no such stew now.
                winked
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 10
                  +5
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  As I saw this pack, I immediately remembered the taste of barley ...
                  Br ...
                  And how thickly creaked on his teeth laughing A slice of white bread with sugar in your pocket laughing With an eternal feeling of hunger but ready to conquer the whole world laughing
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 9 September 2013 20: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    With an eternal feeling of hunger but ready to conquer the whole world

                    Sanya, I still have a favorite saying:
                    I - for anyone you boil ... except for a hunger strike.
                    winked
                    laughing
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 25
                      +5
                      The wife still does not understand what a thrill is to eat canned stew with a knife and a huge slice of black bread. laughing
                      1. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 9 September 2013 20: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        what a thrill is stew from a can with a knife and a huge slice of black bread.

                        good good good
                        Cunning with salt at the same time - a pretty little salad.

                        There were also banks: barley with beef.
                        I don't know why, but the "shrapnel" a la "fraction / 16" was just super-duper there. Especially after the fire.
                        I take it sometimes, when in the woods or on a fishing trip, if it's "guest", then it seems like it, but "tu" is absolutely crap. And the Soviet one was just awful.
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 35
                        +1
                        Lesch and lamb with buckwheat, with hunger you can eat directly with a jar laughing
                      3. bask
                        bask 9 September 2013 20: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Lesch and lamb with buckwheat, with hunger you can eat directly with a jar

                        The main flask with C2H5ON.
                        And you can relieve hunger with rye bread and salt.
                        The main water.
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 45
                        +2
                        An indispensable attribute, is in almost every family!
          2. abdrah
            abdrah 10 September 2013 00: 00
            +2
            If you are tormented by nostalgia for the taste of Soviet stew, then try the Belarusian stew from the Berezovsky meat-packing factory prepared according to GOST, not to be confused with the products of the Orshansky meat factory, Grod Food, etc.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 10 September 2013 00: 02
              +1
              Is there any photos?
    4. Misantrop
      Misantrop 9 September 2013 20: 00
      +2
      Quote: MAG
      heartburn wild caused alcohol bread.
      This means that the cook did not know how to properly prepare it for serving (he could not stand the technology). That black "brick" that white loaf went "with a bang." But powdered potatoes really could tie a stomach in a knot ...
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 9 September 2013 20: 12
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        But powdered potatoes could actually tie a stomach into a knot ...

        Ага.
        It seems everyone ate in the army, even a bigus.
        But processed potatoes and dried onions ... well, nothing, even if you wanted to eat incredibly, well, it’s not climbing and that's it.
        yes
        There is one salvation - a chip.
        wink
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 21
          +4
          O CHIPOK the greatest and secret weapon! You need to erect a monument!
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 9 September 2013 20: 26
            +3
            Quote: Alex 241
            O CHIPOK the greatest and secret weapon!

            Eheh ...
            This assortment + 2 cup of lemonade + 1 cup of sour cream with sugar and ... The world smiles at you again !!!
            fellow
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 29
              +3
              Lesh, I reveal a military secret: you cut the curd cheese lengthwise, spread two curd cheese curds, cover it with the other half ........... we affectionately called it "airship" laughing
              1. bask
                bask 9 September 2013 20: 33
                +2
                Quote: Alex 241
                Yesh, I reveal a military secret:

                Good evening men.
                Sanya, you are still talking about food. I’ve been tormented after yesterday all day.
                Lesh, well, what went to the dentist?
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 38
                  +2
                  Andryukh hello, I went to the dentist. Everything is normal. You would not suffer, you would undergo treatment. Sotoku "eat"
                2. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 9 September 2013 20: 39
                  +3
                  Quote: bask
                  Good evening men.

                  Quote: bask
                  I’ve been tormented after yesterday all day.

                  Greetings, Andrew!
                  I kind of got around for dinner ...
                  winked
                  Until the morning, I could not calm down my "friends," they got mad ... "old men" were already there - you give me tomorrow to Syria! Let's kick the Basmachis' ass! ...
                  Some just woke up now, warriors ...
                  laughing
                3. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 42
                  +2
                  Well, in the bayonet to Washington, after half a liter has become a good military tradition laughing
                4. bask
                  bask 9 September 2013 20: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  I would not suffer, I would undergo treatment.

                  Sanya, everything is not a gram inside, not a centimeter to the left. He promised.
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Until the morning, I could not calm down my "friends," they got mad ... "old men" were already there - you give me tomorrow to Syria!

                  Ours yesterday also dispersed from Valerian, after midnight, they barely crawled home. He called, he says, the holiday was a success !!! good drinks
                5. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: bask
                  . He promised.

                  Andrew is sacred.
                6. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 9 September 2013 20: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: bask
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  I would not suffer, I would undergo treatment.
                  Sanya, everything is not a gram inside, not a centimeter to the left. He promised.

                  Andyukh, this is not my quote, but Sanina.
                  It looks like you really haven't "moved away" from yesterday ...
                  laughing
                  Joke, buddy.
                7. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 57
                  +1
                  Come on, Lesh happens. The main thing was celebrated well!
                8. bask
                  bask 9 September 2013 21: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  It looks like you really haven't "moved away" from yesterday ...

                  Like Lesh, has not yet departed. Yes, the whole day, I was at work. Storm.
                  I’ll go, however, I’ll lie down (I’ll look laughing ).
                  Rest. hi
                9. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 September 2013 21: 10
                  +1
                  Take care of yourself brother. See you!
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 9 September 2013 21: 23
    +3
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Salvation is One - chip.
    Recently, wandering through the old districts of Simferopol, I discovered a small grocery store with this name. Obviously the owner of this store was from our ... lol

    Chipok is a great thing, but in the autonomous system one could only remember him. The soldiers made do with "pasture" - a kilogram jar of "raw potatoes in their own juice" stuck when loading food (with a hole made to prevent exploding) was boiled on a steam line in the turbine compartments. Then it only remained to salt. And with breadcrumbs (black in bags were noticeably tastier than white in cans). Sometimes they forgot to pierce the jar, then the boiled potatoes scattered throughout the compartment ... lol
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 10 September 2013 02: 59
      +1
      Quote: Misantrop
      The fighters got along with "pasture" - a kilogram can of "raw potatoes in their own juice" stuck when loading food (with a hole made so as not to explode) was cooked on a steam line in the turbine compartments.


      There are more "worked out" and "progressive" laughing "technology":
      The same "hole" in the jar, only the water is drained out almost completely (leaving just a little bit so that the potatoes are not too dry) and ...
      a rubber hose is inserted into the hole, fixed on the valve of the steam line (for example, a PTG TMV 3-2-2 or a GTZA turbine, who has what kind of management ...), turn the "steering wheel" and please - after 30 seconds the catofan is ready. And the most IMPORTANT, a little did not forget, you need to be sensitive to the end of the hose, otherwise it will fly out, trouble will not work out.
      Here is such a naval "double boiler" fellow

      And I am sure that amers would not have enough "cookie" for THIS laughing
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 10 September 2013 03: 13
        +2
        An army stool on its side, between the legs an iron with the sole up, on the iron a frying pan in which potatoes are peacefully fried laughing
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 9 September 2013 20: 23
    +2
    Quote: Misantrop
    This means that the cook did not know how to properly prepare it for serving (he could not stand the technology). That black "brick", that white loaf went with a bang.

    We only got alcohol bread when we switched to rations (Soviet-style).
    In the canteens, even at training centers, I don’t remember him ...
    Maybe it was different in different parts ...
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 9 September 2013 21: 26
      +2
      Quote: Aleks tv
      In the canteens, even at training centers, I don’t remember him ...
      Naturally. This bread was originally part of the autonomous soldering of submarines. Before use, it was necessary to warm it up well in the oven. Then he even had a crust crust

      And I met those compotes and canned fruits that were in our ration only once. At VDNKh, in the pavilion of the fruit and canning industry. The friend who dragged me there was shocked when I walked past the barricade of this abundance and commented: "This one is tasty, this one is sour, and sometimes worms come across in this ..." lol
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 9 September 2013 21: 35
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        The friend who dragged me there was shocked when I walked past the barricade of this abundance and commented: "This one is tasty, this one is sour, and sometimes worms come across in this ..."

        laughing
        Misantrop, and as for the wine in the autonomous submarine, please explain: when, how much and how often.
        Just curious.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 9 September 2013 21: 59
          +6
          50 g of dry (most often red) wine per day during lunch per person, regardless of rank, age and length of service. Sailors sometimes agreed to the six of us, drank for each other. But the bulk of the people drank one by one daily. Not for drinking, but for the stomach to work normally. Either 50 g of wine or 3 l of juice is required. BUT it is problematic to drink so much, and where to store it so much (for 150 people for 3 months)? This is a tanker with juice. lol

          Here is something else interesting. Somewhere in the second week, an interesting "switch" occurs with the body under water - a rather small dose is enough for intoxication. On the shore, everyone has their own "norm". One needs a glass, another and a couple of bottles are not enough. In the second week of autonomy, the dose is the same - 40 g of brandy or vodka for serious intoxication. If more - then already for 2 days in the trash, do not raise. How many people "got burned" on this ... A bottle of vodka for 8 people on a birthday on the shore is not even funny. But in the sea, these 8 bast of non-knitting carcasses in the cabins ... and after all, you can't hide them on watch ...

          In soldering in the sea they gave rams - for fish every other day, for a little chocolate every day. Caviar periodically (but it was usually saved by officers and midshipmen in order to take it home after the seas, so they ate something that was not divided by a whole bank per person). Balyk, sprats, etc. But for some reason there was no semolina, so we bought it ourselves. Sometimes I really wanted semolina porridge ...

          In general, the autonomous ration No. 1 of the nuclear submarines was considered the best in the USSR, even after its reduction in the late 70s. I tried somehow the products from the soldering of astronauts, not impressed. Although some things are quite tasty
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 9 September 2013 22: 23
            +3
            Quote: Misantrop
            Somewhere in the second week, an interesting "switch" occurs with the body under water

            Thanks for the whole koment.
            Very interesting.
            smile
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 September 2013 22: 32
              +2
              In Khotilovo in 89 in the evening in the dining room it was possible to write on a piece of paper that I would like lunch, dinner, within reasonable limits, on February 23, each of them was given two bottles of beer on the table.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 10 September 2013 03: 01
            +2
            Quote: Misantrop
            either 3 l of juice.

            "Hydraulics" wink
  • Corsair
    Corsair 10 September 2013 02: 35
    +2
    Quote: Misantrop
    This means that the cook did not know how to cook it correctly for serving (could not stand the technology).

    That's right, normally "steamed" "spirit bread" is absolutely no different from freshly baked bread.
  • 2vladim2
    2vladim2 9 September 2013 20: 43
    +3
    And we went for a month to carry out a government mission in Bangladesh. We were stolen with food in Vladivostok. There was absolutely no place to store them. It was a minesweeper, and we went on a long trip in 1972. We ate bread with flies and drank compote with white worms. At first I didn’t eat. And then I had to. And what should I do? Now they’re eating like that!
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 9 September 2013 21: 41
    +2
    Quote: MAG
    And we have fed horns with bugs and diamonds and fat from storage 1943 is blue from the chemical and hairy

    He served 83-85, a border guard. The food was excellent. The food was good too. The bread was normal, meat every day, fish once a week, natural butter, not like eggs, salad or vinigrette for dinner. Plus, after all night service, these were cookies, gingerbreads, they were really harsh, canned meat or fish, condensed milk sometimes, not constantly. The chief allocated the car to the rear, bought what he wanted. As I remember, cigarettes, sweets, sour cream, etc.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 9 September 2013 12: 48
    +4
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Bigus and chopping are our everything.

    good
    Rotten cabbage with "polar bear meat". I will never forget her.
    They ate mostly bread with soldered butter, in the evenings pollock.
    Well and, accordingly, refuel in the chip ...
    wink

    A colleague pulls the strap in the 20th brigade, said that a modern "soldier" asked the distributor, frowning at the rich cabbage soup:
    - Is there onion there?
    -Yes, stewed onions with carrots.
    - Nah, I don’t eat it ... And you can (!!!) give me two mashed potatoes ...
    Ugh.
    Again extremes.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 9 September 2013 12: 49
      +3
      Here it is, "dilicates" ... something like a bigus.
      fellow

      I still remember in the dining room outfit:
      You go into the basement, trying not to breathe, remove the upper mold with a shovel and pile IT into the 40 liter tank, then drag the two into the brewhouse and ... into the boiler.
      Heh.
      laughing
      1. ildar335
        ildar335 9 September 2013 16: 03
        +2
        yes! blue plate, with a slice or bicus !!!
      2. svp67
        svp67 9 September 2013 17: 57
        +1
        Once it was like that
        Quote: Aleks tv
        I still remember in the dining room outfit:
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 9 September 2013 18: 44
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          Once it was like that

          yes
          This marvelous premise in almost all army canteens has a proud name: ROOF LOAD.
          How many years have passed ...
          An unpleasant surprise made an onion, when you peel it a lot (a tank of 40 liters, for example), then after a while your eyes stop pinching, for when you resort to "suppress the mass" for 120 minutes ... crap you close these eyes without tears.
          Well, everyone remembers a square potato, who, with his hands, peeled all night until bloody blisters ...
          As well as traditional nightly fried potatoes for the whole dress in the dining room.
          It was a wonderful time, Sergey ...
          wink
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 9 September 2013 18: 54
            +4
            Hello, Hello, I remembered that my father served a classmate in Yelizovo, and once a month he sent a parcel with red caviar and various delicacies, well, on Mondays, as usual, a general’s day in the canteen, our general comes in with the words: “How are they fed .... ..and breaks off at a glance, four brave young men rammed eggs with spoons from a liter can. laughing
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 9 September 2013 19: 03
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              four brave young men rammed eggs with spoons from a liter can.

              laughing
              good
              Hi Sanya!
              Alive after yesterday?
              wink

              http://topwar.ru/18478-posylka-ili-novye-priklyucheniya-bulbulyatora-v-narodnom-
              kotelke.html
              This is my real story about the parcel and the misplaced havchik.
              More than a year ago, I posted it here on the site.
              Then we were not burned for all the years with the "teapot".
              wink
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 9 September 2013 19: 20
                +1
                Lech, masterpiece! How he returned to the cadet time laughing
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 9 September 2013 19: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  How he returned to the cadet time

                  I love that time ...
                  The most carefree.
                  Eheh.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 9 September 2013 19: 27
                    +3
                    Clean footcloths, porridge zae..s, fuck us a "citizen" in her mouth she f..s laughing
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 9 September 2013 19: 50
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      why don't we "citizen"

                      yes
          2. svp67
            svp67 12 September 2013 01: 54
            0
            Quote: Aleks tv
            An unpleasant surprise was made onion, when you clean a lot of it (tank of 40 liters for example)

            in our school they chopped it with a typewriter - it was a job for the "flyers", since during the work an aerosol onion cloud formed around this unit, from which nothing saved, except for a gas mask with a "trunk" thrown behind its back - outside the cloud otherwise no more than 2 seconds was enough to bring the "fighter" for 30 minutes ...
  • starshina78
    starshina78 9 September 2013 20: 51
    +2
    I can testify that for three years of service on the ship I was never once satisfied with what we were given to eat. Fed just fine! For breakfast: cocoa with freshly baked bread, butter, if we catch fish ourselves (we had a net and a permit for raznorybitsy, except for salmon), then the fish is fried, on weekends and holidays, eggs. There was such a tradition - a yearling (grandfather) sitting at the tank gave his ration of salaga oil. What time! ; for lunch - a cold appetizer (vinaigrette, sauerkraut salad, herring or salted pink salmon), cabbage soup, borsch, pickle with meat, for the second pilaf, roast, a side dish with side dishes, or something similar and half a cup of compote; for dinner - field soup (soup from some cereal with meat), some porridge with meat and half a mug of compote; and evening tea - tea with sugar, cookies (not often) bread with jam, and something the chief of the galley will be generous with. We were not deprived of fish. There are many fish and crabs in Kamchatka. Shrimp was caught. In short, there were many. Sometimes fishermen threw something at sea. once halibut gave six lagoons (such large tanks in which the first was cooked). Once the soldiers from the tank division, which stood next to Petropavlovsk, got on our ship. So they could not eat too much. For the holidays, baked pies with jam and cabbage. Yummy !!! At four o'clock in the morning they finished the stove. Remaining superfluous, proceeding from all crew members, and these superfluous were brought to the cockpit, and at four in the night everyone flew and ate, and then to sleep again! And what bread was baked! You won’t try such a thing in civilian life! At breakfast, you smear the butter, but it melts. The bread is hot!
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 9 September 2013 21: 08
      +2
      Quote: starshina78
      I can testify that for three years of service on the ship I was never once satisfied with what we were given to eat.

      Willingly believe.
      And even in SV there were exceptions.
      At distant "points", if the commander was intelligent and the "chm.shnik" was not snickering, they simply fed a small (here's the main feature: "small") garrison with almost homemade food:
      Normal private farm with pig chickens, vegetable garden, lingonberries and mushrooms, honey.
      And what is most interesting - A CORRECTLY organized subsidiary farm does not detach personnel from everyday service.
      I saw this myself.
      And the senior warrant officer in charge of this "case" dreamed of a cow, about how -...
      wink
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 9 September 2013 21: 27
        +1
        Of course there were crushed regions in terms of grubs, but it all depended on the command.
  • gdv
    gdv 2 August 2014 21: 19
    0
    Nope))))) jelly with bromine-you for centuries)))
  • ReifA
    ReifA 9 September 2013 08: 30
    +7
    IMHO leftovers from the dining room can then be distributed to the poor / have-nots / homeless people, so this is not a problem. Improving and increasing food is good. Even better, in the end, to associate calorie with the type of troops / activity, it is clear that the paratrooper needs more calories than the staff.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 9 September 2013 08: 31
    +6
    judging from my own experience, to be honest I don’t see a problem in principle. With those loads and activities that we had, an 18-year-old fighter cannot get fat. Let there be at least 10 kcal, everything is burned. Yes, and as it is written in the article, it’s just will not eat too much.
    and more vitamin juices every day
    1. StolzSS
      StolzSS 10 September 2013 20: 36
      0
      Totally agree with you. Why are they going to be fattening ??? And when did our soldier in the infantry pick up a lot ??? In the Navy, ali in the kitchen, I still believe that they gained an extra kilo or two, and basically basically always eat a little hunt ....
  • sigdoc
    sigdoc 9 September 2013 08: 37
    +2
    yes, and bolts!
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 9 September 2013 08: 42
    12
    The mass of draftees from families below or near the poverty line with insufficient body weight, you must first feed them, then give the load.
    1. NEMO
      NEMO 10 September 2013 13: 49
      0
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      The mass of draftees from families below or near the poverty line with insufficient body weight, you must first feed them, then give the load.

      Indeed, you are right, I saw this more than once with my "Red Army men", back in the 90s, as soon as the first half of the year on porridge is eaten away, they become men, and they return home - in general, the entire "wardrobe" has to be changed)
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  • shurup
    shurup 9 September 2013 08: 52
    12
    The climate of Germany and the United States is somewhat different from the Russian. Therefore, it is not necessary to compare rations, and even more so to take their guidelines.
    Dietetics should be practiced by a medical unit employee. They are obliged to determine which table a particular soldier should receive and conduct educational work with the wives of officers regarding the effect of excess weight on career advancement.
    And the educational and indicative feeding of fighters in front of the camera reminds me of how Count Orlov horses regaled in the front hall.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 9 September 2013 09: 04
    +7
    In the 80s he served in TurKVO, pilaf was given on holidays, and so they fed normally
    1. Forest
      Forest 9 September 2013 11: 16
      +1
      In 90, too, they gave pilaf on holidays good
  • pahom54
    pahom54 9 September 2013 09: 24
    +8
    Again they are trying to reinvent the wheel ... Some formulas of some Harris ... What, we don't have our own military doctors - nutritionists and ergonomists ??? In my time (1971-1973), those who had a discrepancy in height with body weight were given the so-called additional nutrition ... And in general, those who came frail - left strong for demobilization, those who came fat - left lean. That is, in general, the nutritional norm was developed quite sensibly. Well, there were no frills (like eggs, milk, especially juices and buns ...), but nothing, everything was fine. One has only to agree that the rate of kilocalories for military personnel should be calculated based on the specifics of their activities (well, it is not for nothing that sailors and especially submariners have ALWAYS been offered a strengthened one). And by and large again, some kind of propaganda campaign, don't fuck a fighter to get accustomed to greenhouse conditions, he, as if by oath, must "steadfastly and courageously overcome all the hardships and deprivations of military service" ... For a year and a half of service, nothing with him is will happen.
    And as for "fattening", this has been done for a long time, in the Tula airborne regiment, recruits are first fed for 3 months at the hospital, and then they are introduced into a combat training situation ..
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 9 September 2013 09: 27
    +9
    Only now, while the cars with the obese "demobels" in Russia have not met ...

    In our part, the warrant officer in charge of the food ate 2/3 of the meat intended for 300 soldiers at a time!
    I mean, whether calories will reach the soldier. No.
  • Djozz
    Djozz 9 September 2013 09: 34
    +4
    It is true, I served from 1972-74, came to the army as a thin "khlyshch", and left for demobilization as a fully developed man, my son served a year in the Presidential Regiment in 2011-12. left with a weight of 92 kg, a height of 1m, 87cm returned with a weight of 78 kg, although they were fed well.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 9 September 2013 10: 00
    +2
    The order of Lieutenant General Suvorov for the troops of the Crimean and Kuban corps of May 16, 1778 reads:
    “The regimental, battalion and their teams healers and sub-doctors should have a time-honored care of the observance of the health of healthy people, with always-on reviews regarding the content of everyone in general, before their food and drink. The latter belongs, where the best water is, boiled and settled, and weak with bread or vinegar; food baked bread, healthy crackers, warm brew and tightly tinned boilers. It is by no means necessary to consume the chilled food, but it is necessary to cook it properly, and after using it, wash and dry the boilers dry. ”


    In the 21st century, nutritional value is measured not only and not so much by calories.
    Although their importance for a young fighter is difficult to overestimate.
    But still I would like to see figures on the content of protein in the diet and its breakdown by origin (animal, vegetable, dairy, egg), vitamins and minerals.
    After all, we are talking about young guys who get decent physical activity, growing organisms and future fathers.
    And behind the number of calories and joules, it is very simple to hide the most important thing - the quality of food.
  • serg_uhp
    serg_uhp 9 September 2013 10: 07
    -1
    Calm down, all the same, these 4300 kcal do not reach the soldiers. They steal ...
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 9 September 2013 14: 00
      0
      You have it in yndia by itself.
  • LM66
    LM66 9 September 2013 10: 14
    +2
    What shit fed us at 85
    1. Alyoha
      Alyoha 9 September 2013 10: 43
      +2
      What shit fed us in 2008))
      1. ildar335
        ildar335 9 September 2013 16: 04
        +2
        what shit was fed both on an urgent basis and on a contract)))))))))))
        1. abdrah
          abdrah 10 September 2013 00: 34
          +2
          In 92 we had an inscription in the restroom - "And I was here and cried loudly that I ate little and a lot of kaka.l."
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 9 September 2013 10: 35
    +4
    First they steal, so not everything comes to the soldiers. Secondly, at the beginning there are very serious psychological stresses, stress, how much you do not eat is still hungry, only at the end of the service you begin to eat off. Thirdly, if you drive and give physical. the load on young people goes to muscle and not to fat. The clerks and storekeepers are sorry for those. )))
  • Grif
    Grif 9 September 2013 10: 53
    0
    In childhood (the 70s) he was always surprised: for some reason all soldiers had such asses and such asses.
  • gleb49
    gleb49 9 September 2013 10: 58
    +3
    They didn’t feed you pea porridge and borscht from cans, but a pie with rice and cocoa on the oath.
  • SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 9 September 2013 11: 07
    +6
    Everything depends on the commander of the unit. There will be control, there will be food and there will be no hazing. I was unlucky with the commander from 1976 to 78.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 9 September 2013 11: 26
    +2
    We were fed well ... first, and then went to the field kitchen .... soups with a gasoline wrap, something like pasta, rubber meat, expired canned food, biscuits with which you could heat a potbelly stove ...... and nothing ! ate and even gained weight!
  • laurbalaur
    laurbalaur 9 September 2013 11: 28
    +4
    Quote: MAG
    fat from storage 1943

    So what ? We were fed (until December 88, then sent to Spitak) the Amer stew of 44th year of release, and so, I will tell you, I didn’t have to eat this stew before or after the army. The service was held at the RTO facility at the airport, so they received all the products in the form of dry land. Diet twice a month, bread twice a week. From what we received, we managed to cook quite high-quality dishes, and even the young ones, who were on a allowance in the town, fed, so that the foreman didn’t mix them into the outfit, we did not drive them into the company and fed them from our diet. Conclusion - the nutritional standards have always been worthy if they enter the soldier’s stomach, and not in the pocket of the head food or Armenian bread-cutter!
  • Rodriques
    Rodriques 9 September 2013 11: 40
    +3
    Ha ha, what a lovely delusional article, was recently at a huge air base in Yoshkar-ol, fed like garbage, that of soldiers, that of officers (pilots a little better). Tell me which part to go to to taste the dishes of the notorious buffet?
    1. Volodin
      9 September 2013 13: 31
      0
      Then I will allow myself to say: what a delightful crazy comment ... Firstly, nowhere in the article does not indicate that all polls in the military unit went to the buffet, and, secondly, one base in Yoshkar-Ola, in which , as you put it, they are fed as from a garbage dump, the same exception as the parts, where in the canteen are buffets (if you are interested, I can give you at least fifty examples of military unit, where in the canteen the soldiers have a choice, but again, this is not the whole army).
      1. Rodriques
        Rodriques 9 September 2013 16: 29
        -1
        Well, everything is logical, we have just somewhere around fifty ostentatious parts. That was all and limited.
        1. Zhaman-Urus
          Zhaman-Urus 9 September 2013 20: 07
          0
          Yes, and also "It is ... are polymers!"
  • pensioner
    pensioner 9 September 2013 11: 40
    +2
    Quote: Mitek
    in general, for the beginning of the 90s, they still fed us nothing ... but we were a military school after all)

    Yeah ... as I recall the beginning of the 90s ... Our cadets at EVACU were fed plentifully, of course, but terribly! Barley, sauerkraut, canned fish ... Potatoes, and so on rarely. As they come to my house, immediately fry potatoes in the kitchen! And salty mushrooms, and homemade blanks flew away at cosmic speed. Thank God survived those times!
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 9 September 2013 11: 41
    +1
    after reading even how my brother will return he went skinny and tall somewhere 175cm by 60-65 kg.
  • svskor80
    svskor80 9 September 2013 11: 53
    +3
    When I served (2002-2003) the food was plentiful, but not satisfying (I always wanted to eat :)). As a result, after the army he lost 5 kg. But I did not see the problem and I don’t see it; he was in the army, not at the resort.
    1. Very old
      Very old 9 September 2013 21: 57
      0
      You at the wrong time. I remember the training ground, I remember the army cuisine. I remember the Minister of Defense
  • Very old
    Very old 9 September 2013 11: 58
    +1
    In 1966-69 they were fed "FROM PUZA". We all added. For 3 years we have been eating ryashki
  • Russ69
    Russ69 9 September 2013 12: 07
    +1
    Comparing his service of the late 80s and now, heaven and earth.
  • rpek32
    rpek32 9 September 2013 12: 13
    +2
    Galley outfit gobbling from such a variety laughing
  • gych
    gych 9 September 2013 12: 36
    +1
    why do the generals not run in our arimia ?! Yes, because in peacetime it causes laughter, and in a military panic!
    1. sub307
      sub307 9 September 2013 18: 09
      0
      I don’t know how generals are, but I’ve observed running admirals.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 9 September 2013 13: 12
    +2
    Somehow in the early 2000s, with friends who had just served in the Russian army, they compared the diet with the Israeli one. After "tired of these scrambled eggs for three years" and "there could be more types of yogurt" they really wanted to beat me. I am glad that the nutritional situation in the Russian army is now getting better.
  • Gur
    Gur 9 September 2013 14: 21
    +3
    I don’t know what to say, time probably heals or erases the negative from memory. I left the army in the army, lived in a hostel, worked in the field before the tech, so the army food did not bother me much, although I was from Kazakhstan, at first it was wild to watch for "marmalade" boiled bacon piled into a bowl. (Russian I am Russian))) which then had to be kneaded in pearl barley to improve the taste, fried mackerel also did not cause delight at first, then they were drawn in and not anything, went, even among Uzbeks))) It was in the classroom Pereslavl Zalessky, then he served in Odintsovo there with food for better, and even very much, what they did not have time to sell in department stores went to our table)) (well, of course, not everything is direct)) On trips on the alarm about which As a rule, it was known in advance, for a hike they always took bread, mayonnaise with them, and then who was lucky for what. Not for getting fat, by the end of the service he quit smoking, a healthy guy came. True, dystrophic, too, was not when I was not))) Service 88-90g
  • mithridate
    mithridate 9 September 2013 14: 46
    +1
    let them eat better to do all the fighting exercises perfectly
  • Obliterator
    Obliterator 9 September 2013 17: 45
    +1
    Yes, everything will be fine with the soldiers. I am judging on the basis of personal experience, and I saw a tendency that whoever came thin — 10 kilograms recovered, and who came thick — quickly parted with even more kilograms. Here I had a friend, our little breeder (of course, he had as much as he wanted in his facility), in the pictures before the army he was a real fat man with a hefty ryakh. I could not run five hundred meters. Well, for a year, by the end of the service, he learned to run 3km and lost weight so that once I admitted that after the army he would have to buy all his clothes again, because he would not be able to wear old civilian clothes in principle.
  • Tamagon
    Tamagon 9 September 2013 18: 42
    +1
    I hope now they do not feed worms like us in 2000 m
  • iur4ik39
    iur4ik39 9 September 2013 19: 26
    0
    Bicus almost every day (((
  • Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 9 September 2013 19: 36
    +3
    As I understand from the article, the food at the points of permanent deployment is more or less established. Outsourcing there, civilian staff, dishes to choose from and all that. I'm interested in something else. How to solve the problem of hot nutrition in the field, in exercises, during the redeployment of parts? Are civilian cooks being brought with them or are they somehow twisted out? And the war begins, who will feed the soldier? There is no reason for the businessman to die under the bombs. What is happening with the rear of the Armed Forces?
  • gollandec
    gollandec 9 September 2013 19: 41
    +5
    sour cabbage. polar bear meat and kombizhir - such a feeling. that we all served in one piece)
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 9 September 2013 19: 52
      +1
      Quote: gollandec
      such a feeling. that we all served in one part)

      laughing
      One country, some "kooky".
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 9 September 2013 20: 02
        +1
        Lesh, and indeed it is! We all come from the USSR.
  • bpk681
    bpk681 9 September 2013 19: 47
    +7
    Talking Russian and NATO Generals
    NATO boasts "my soldiers consume 2000 kilocalories a day"
    the Russian general replied, "You are lying to the NATO face, a normal
    a soldier to eat two bags of turnip a day. "
  • Shumer
    Shumer 9 September 2013 19: 56
    +4
    I read the article and for some reason I remembered the joke.
    There are three nachproda armies - the United States, England and Ukraine.
    Nachprod USA says - a soldier of my army receives 3000 calories per day.
    Nachprod of England says, and our soldier receives 3500 calories per day.
    The Ukrainian nach food for a long time counted something on the calculator and says - what are you guys, this soldier needs to eat a bag of pearl barley!
  • wax
    wax 9 September 2013 22: 55
    0
    Healthy eating should be such that a soldier can pull up 20 times. IMHO
  • studentmati
    studentmati 9 September 2013 23: 00
    0
    Solid and high-quality food, and most importantly, its availability, is the key to fighting spirit and means the success of any campaign! One hundred grams is not a hindrance.
  • Ofellon
    Ofellon 9 September 2013 23: 32
    +1
    normal food .. full of fiber, milk would still be for calcium and protein. and porridge is normal.
  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 10 September 2013 02: 12
    +1
    If we compare the diets by the number of calories with other armies of the world, then the Russian one is indeed in the lead. For example, in the USA and Germany, where the intensity of army training of soldiers is at least not lower than the Russian one, they decided to slightly reduce the energy value of the diet, bringing it to the upper bar of 3800-3900 kcal.

    Take a look at the map, remember at least school geography lessons. How is our average climate compared to Germany and the USA? The same thing.
  • sven27
    sven27 10 September 2013 12: 04
    +1
    And I in the army cured gastritis on bigus and kirzuha)
  • bandabas
    bandabas 10 September 2013 19: 59
    +2
    And I still remember the Soviet stew. One meat + a little fat. Yum. This is about Suhpai. Daily nutrition is the envy of many factors. starting with cooks and ending with commander. In some places, mushrooms with berries (fresh fish, etc.) will be added to the ration from time to time, and in some places they will steal from the head of the warehouse to the ground.
  • kirgiz
    kirgiz 17 July 2015 17: 52
    0
    When I found out how they feed in the army, at first I did not believe it. The brother was recently sent to Ulyanovsk. Well, of course, that his mother asked him to send a video report on how they feed them. In general, as they say they did. There is no limit to the abundance of products!
  • Topolem
    Topolem 20 July 2015 12: 56
    0
    Normal article! I agree. Actually, as shown in the photo, they are fed. Well-fed everyone who eats a lot, he clogs his stomach with vegetables. Consider tasty and healthy. I will share a photo from the personal archive.