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Russia is working on the creation of "Air start"

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After 2-3 years, the Russian aviation a space missile system being developed as part of the Air Launch project, can conduct the first tests. The latest version of the Air Launch ARKK was presented at the MAKS-2013 air show held in Zhukovsky near Moscow. The implementation of this project is carried out by the State Rocket Center (GRC) named after Makeev, who is developing it together with the private company Polet. The leading specialist of the GRC, Sergey Egorov, in an interview with the Rosinformburo website noted that in 2-3 years everyone will know about us. According to Yegorov, the Polet company is ready to provide its An-124-100 Ruslan aircraft for practical testing. At the initial stage of testing, using the mockups, the discharge of cargo from the aircraft and the initial stages of launch will be worked out.


Sergey Egorov noted that interest in this innovative project has increased, including from the Russian Ministry of Defense, and in this regard, he expressed hope for achieving good results. The specialist believes that this project can be used to launch military satellites into space. “Air Launch” is a project that is a system that is able to put space vehicles into Earth orbit using an environmentally friendly fuel booster rocket, which starts from a large transport aircraft A-124-100.

“Ruslan” with a missile on board, which is located in a reusable container, in a given area at an altitude of about 10 000 meters performs a “hill”. At this point, the rocket is ejected from the container with the help of a steam and gas generator, at a distance of 200-250 meters from the aircraft, the cruise engine is turned on and the controlled flight to the specified orbital path begins. Specialist SRC them. Makeeva stressed a number of the main advantages of the complex with this method of launch. First of all, it is the absence of the need to build expensive launch ground complexes, the use of different launch areas, advance planning of the exclusion zones to drop the detachable stage of the rocket, as well as the possibility of increasing the payload.

Currently, work on a similar project is actively underway in the United States. In America, we have already conducted several successful tests on the discharge of large-sized cargo from an airplane using a parachute. At the same time, the Russian way of leaving the aircraft with oversized cargo Sergey Egorov considers it safer and more reliable. The representative of the SRC them. Makeeva believes that in our case, an unaccented and controlled dumping of the “Flight” missile (mass of 102 tons, length over 30 meters) with the necessary overloads is achieved. At the same time, the parachute method is less predictable and is only suitable for rockets that have lower weight and size characteristics.

Russia is working on the creation of "Air start"

In Russia, space-based air-launched launch vehicles began to be designed in the middle of the 90s of the last century by several organizations simultaneously. Further, all managed to advance the development, which was initiated by the Chemical and Automation Bureau and Polet Airlines (both companies from Voronezh), which in May 1999 of the year established the Air Launch Corporation of the same name. The shareholders of this company soon became GNPRKTS TsSKB-Progress (Samara) and RSC Energia (Korolev, Moscow region). However, these enterprises in the beginning of 2000-s left the corporation, and their place of lead developer took them the SRC. Makeeva (Miass, Chelyabinsk region).

The meaning of the project is to ensure the mobility of space launches, since there is no need to build a cosmodrome when launching a rocket from an aircraft. From the very beginning of the project the heavy transport aircraft An-124-100ВС "Ruslan" was to be the main element of the complex. In the center of Russia in Samara, on the basis of the airfield of the company “Polet”, it was supposed to organize some kind of “cosmodrome”.

In 2006, the project became international: at the intergovernmental level, an agreement was reached with Indonesia, which pledged to build on its island Biak all the necessary infrastructure for the deployment of Ruslan aircraft and loading missiles on them. In September, 2007, the information appeared that the ambitious project entered the home straight. The first launch was being prepared for the 2010 year, and a contract was signed with one of the Western European companies to launch 6 satellites. However, since then about the "Air Start" as if forgotten.

We remembered him again in the 2012 year, when the SRC them. Makeev was able to enlist the support of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Economic Development, and the Federal Space Agency. Then there was information that the implementation of this project will require investments 25 billion rubles. At the same time, the construction of the “demonstrator” was estimated at 4 billion rubles, while the total costs within the framework of the development of the Air Start system were estimated at 25 billion rubles (the creation of the demonstrator was up to 3 years, the project implementation was 5-6 years).



Air Start System

The Russian Air Start system using the Polet launch vehicle belonging to the light class (weight about 100 tons) is able to ensure the launches of light satellites to low (up to 2 thousand km.), Medium ones (10-20 thousand. km.), geosynchronous and geostationary orbits, as well as departure trajectories to the Moon and planets of our Solar system. The project provides for launching a launch vehicle with satellites on board from altitudes in 10-11 thousands of meters from an air launch platform, which is planned to use a modification of the world's heaviest commercially produced transport aircraft An-124-100 "Ruslan", which was created in 1983, the Ukrainian state enterprise ASTC them. OK. Antonov.

Also part of the system is the Polet light launch vehicle, which is created using the most advanced rocket technologies that were created in Russia as part of the manned program of the Soyuz launch vehicle and confirmed its high safety and reliability. In this case, the booster will operate on environmentally safe rocket fuel (kerosene + liquid oxygen).

At the first stage of the rocket, modified liquid rocket engines NK-43 (NK-33-1) are used, which were created as part of the work on the lunar rocket H-1 and worked out to the reliability of 0,998. As the second stage of the Polet rocket, it is planned to use the third stage of the mass-produced Soyuz-2 rocket with an improved RD-0124 rocket engine.

At the initial stage of the operation of the Polet missiles, in order to minimize costs and reduce the time spent on its development, the propulsion system of the first rocket stage can be taken to be similar to the installation of the TsSKB-Progress developed at the first stage of the light Soyuz-1 launch vehicle: with existing main engine NK-33А and steering 4-chamber engine РД 0110Р.


For delivery of space satellites to orbits of various heights and departure trajectories, the launch vehicle can be equipped with an accelerating unit, which is an improved modification of the upper stage “L” of the Molniya launch vehicle, with oxygen-kerosene rocket engines 11D58MF installed on it (5 tc rocket) . Work on this engine is currently underway at RSC Energia. S. p. Queen.

The use of existing Russian rocket technologies in the High-altitude launch project can have a positive impact on the timing and cost of developing the system, providing it with the best economic and technical characteristics. The construction of the Vostochny space center can become the best option for locating the created system on the territory of our country. The proximity of the Pacific Ocean provides the best conditions for selecting the optimal routes on the active part of the flight of the Polet launch vehicle.

System operation diagram

After the Polet launch vehicle and the upper stage are delivered to the Russian Vostochny space center or to the space port on an Indonesian island, the launch vehicle and the satellite are integrated. The installation of a satellite on a rocket can be carried out in a technical complex specially built at the spaceport or directly in the aircraft itself. After the completion of the assembly process of the launch complex and the carrying out of all necessary checks, refueling of the aircraft carrier, space upper unit and the rocket, the aircraft takes off to the calculated launch area.

The flight pattern of this system provides launching satellites into Earth orbit with almost any inclination. This is achieved due to the fact that the aircraft can launch a rocket at a distance of thousands of kilometers in 4-4,5. from the spaceport. At the same time, the launching zone of the rocket when planning each specific flight will be selected based on the conditions for ensuring a given inclination of the orbit of the space satellite, the location of the flight path and areas of incidence of detachable rocket elements in low-navigable waters of the World Ocean. Also, when choosing a launch route, the need for landing of “Ruslan” after launching the launch vehicle will be taken into account at one of the nearest airfields, which is able to receive planes of this class.


In the calculation zone of the launch of the rocket to create the most comfortable initial flight conditions, the aircraft carries out an aerobatic flight called a slide with access to a parabolic trajectory, which allows for a flight mode that is close to zero gravity for 6-10 seconds. At this moment, the normal overload on the “Flight” missile will not exceed the 0,1-0,3 units. This solution allows 2-2,5 to increase the missile mass of the times as compared with the ordinary landing in horizontal flight mode, and thus increase its carrying capacity.

At the moment when the carrier on the “Hill” mode reaches the maximum angle of inclination of the trajectory to the local horizon (cabling angle of the order of 20 °), the missile is ejected from the aircraft using a special launch container using a pneumatic ejection system equipped with a powder pressure accumulator. The process of the launch of the “Flight” from the “Ruslan” takes about 3 seconds, the longitudinal overload at this moment does not exceed the 1,5 unit. After the procedure of landing a rocket and the subsequent implementation of the flight segments of its first and second stages, as well as of the space upper stage, the space satellite is separated and its exit to a given orbit.

It is worth noting that the technology of landing heavy loads from an aircraft, which are significantly larger than cargoes that are dropped in normal horizontal flight, was implemented in the USSR in 1987-1990 in the framework of the Energy-Buran program. This technology was developed within the framework of the rescue of reusable energy rocket units of the first stage of the “Energy” rocket and provided for the landing of heavy loads in airplane flight modes close to weightlessness.

Energy opportunities

The use of the Polet launch vehicle allows launching satellites weighing up to 4,5 tons into orbit when they are launched into low equatorial orbits, up to 3,5 tons - into low polar orbits, up to 0,85 tons - into orbits of GLONASS or Galileo navigation systems, up to 0,8 tons - to geostationary orbits. In the case of equipping geostationary satellites with an apogee propulsion system, which ensures the transition of a satellite from a geo-transmission orbit to a geostationary, the Polet light rocket can provide satellites with a mass up to 1 tons to a geostationary orbit. On departure trajectories to other planets of the Solar system, as well as to the Moon, it can deliver spacecraft with a mass of 1-1,2 tons. Such opportunities for the “Air Launch” loading capacity are provided by starting from a height of about 10-11 thousands of meters.

Information sources:
-http: //rosinform.ru/2013/09/02/rossiya-sozdaet-vozdushnyy-start
-http: //eurasian-defence.ru/node/2644
-http: //www.kommersant.ru/doc/1972255
-http: //chel.dkvartal.ru/news/miasskij-raketnyj-centr-predstavit-kompleks-vozdushnyj-start-na-aviasalone-maks2013-236756197
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  1. avt
    avt 6 September 2013 09: 16 New
    +2
    “Burlaka” will be reanimated? It seems that in the photo from MAKS I saw Khrunichev's development.
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 6 September 2013 09: 38 New
      +4
      It is necessary to develop a spaceship so that it could go at least into a low orbit from the runway ... the military would like such a spaceship ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 September 2013 20: 40 New
        +3
        ShturmKGB
        It is necessary to develop a spaceship so that it could go at least into a low orbit from the runway ... the military would like such a spaceship ...
        So this “air start” is the military developments of the Cold War era, when they were going to launch strategic ballistic missiles this way.
        Soviet designers did not stay away from the trends of the time. In the 1970–1980s, the USSR developed an intercontinental aviation missile system (“MARK”) based on sea-based ICBMs and An-22 and An-124 military transport aircraft. Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering and Design Bureau OK Antonov showed the possibility of placing one R-22R missile on the An-29, and two or three on the An-124 plane.

        http://www.popmech.ru/article/8922-strategicheskoe-oruzhie-buduschego/
        So we tried to respond to the threats of time
        Container with Makeevka rocket

        An22 "Antey" - one of the carriers of the "air launch" in the USSR
        Not only that, for this they wanted to apply and this development of OKB Mil

        So, the matter is not new, but nevertheless very promising and very necessary for our country ...
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 6 September 2013 20: 51 New
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          Air Launch
          1. Kir
            Kir 6 September 2013 21: 43 New
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            Thank you for the video, but there’s some point, of course we can say that it’s wildly suspicious, but it seems like the phones are similar to city cell phones or were in Moscow (in the Ostankino district, old with a start at 205?) But in general it smelled of some kind of moment from films about the future. With regards to the launch cost, it’s also a well-known moment that 1 kilo of space technology is at least equivalent to 1 kilo of gold so ...., the names of the developers of the Central Design Bureau Makeev and so on down the list are the only ones to soothe.
        2. aviator65
          aviator65 7 September 2013 03: 19 New
          +1
          B-12 was actually planned to be used to deliver components of ballistic missiles to remote launch sites. For an air launch, he would hardly have provided the necessary height. Still, his ceiling is helicopter.
    2. Kir
      Kir 6 September 2013 14: 54 New
      +2
      The same question was asked by me in the comments to one of the reviews on the current MAKS, regarding the Khrunichev Center, I also wrote the same, in the current state of affairs it is unlikely to be mastered, at least not only in my native Moscow, Now I’ve hung up on the burlak as oversized cargo under the "belly" of the strategic Tu-160, and at the exhibition a passerby but Baikal, and as follows from the text, is an integral part of another system.
      1. Denis
        Denis 6 September 2013 18: 21 New
        +2
        suspended as an oversized cargo under the "belly" of the strategic Tu-160
        But it did go use a supersonic strategist like a truck
        It’s like driving a beer for Formula 1.The reduction in the construction of military equipment in Russia forced the developers of the Tu-160 to look for a new, civilian application. In the early 90s, the Tupolev ANTK, together with the engineering design bureau Raduga (from the city of Dubna) and the Moscow Power Engineering Institute of Aviation Systems, developed a project for the Burlak aviation complex, which was intended to launch commercial artificial satellites into low Earth orbits.

        And the crime highlighted in general, do we have a lot of them?
        In the presence of American senators Richard Lugar and Karl Levin, the Tu-160 with a tail number 24, released in 1989 and having 466 flying hours, was cut. The second was a Tu-160 with tail number 13, built in 1991 and having a flight time of less than 100 hours.
        What did these unconventional nedorez decided to reprofile? Does not give the White Swan toads (or -op -?) Am at rest
        I ask the developers of Burlak, but it's again
        MAKE PANS FROM ROCKETS with a stupid one, even wet pants, raptures. Alas, it was already like that ...
        this is not to be removed in the fuselage, and the load on the glider
    3. Alex 241
      Alex 241 6 September 2013 18: 55 New
      +1
      Tu-160SK with airborne No. 342 (serial No. 04-01, built on March 22.03.1988, XNUMX) at the LII in Zhukovsky with the model of the Burlak launch vehicle
  2. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 6 September 2013 09: 17 New
    +9
    ABOUT!!!!! Great !!! Maybe in time we’ll start the analogue of the Spiral project ...
    Gleb Evgenievich Lozino-Lozinsky, blessed memory, would be glad now ....
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  4. Denis
    Denis 6 September 2013 09: 23 New
    +7
    “Air Launch” is a project that is a system that is able to launch spacecraft into Earth’s orbit with the help of an environmentally friendly fuel launch vehicle, which starts from the side of the A-124-100 large transport aircraft. It’s not clear why not with An-225 Mriya, he is also friendly with the cosmos, especially:
    In addition, it was supposed to use the An-225 as the first stage of the spacecraft’s air launch system, which required the aircraft to have a payload of at least 250 tons, and in my opinion it’s tail-mounted, so the two-keel is more convenient
    Or, again, politics, so that she ...
    1. sashka
      sashka 6 September 2013 09: 46 New
      -5
      Quote: Denis
      It is incomprehensible, but why not with An-225 Mriya, it’s also friendly with space

      What is the difference .. The main thing to shout .. They will promise to launch with An-2.
      1. Denis
        Denis 6 September 2013 10: 26 New
        -2
        Quote: Sasha
        They are with An-2
        From it, it’s only a model rocket, at least dumb, and it’s harder to not launch ATGM
        They want to steal money?
      2. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY 6 September 2013 10: 38 New
        +2
        Sasha completely agree-sick talkers!

        Now, if you were there!

        Oh, what a talent in Engels disappears!
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        2. sashka
          sashka 6 September 2013 10: 57 New
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          Quote: DEMENTIY
          Oh, what a talent in Engels disappears!

          Are you joking?
          1. DEMENTIY
            DEMENTIY 6 September 2013 11: 11 New
            -2
            Sasha
            "Joke, please?"

            "I can do that too" - and were you joking?
            1. sashka
              sashka 6 September 2013 11: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: DEMENTIY
              "I can do that too" - and were you joking?

              No .. Actually I did it in the 24th workshop. I’m not worried at all .. I have something to be proud of ..
              1. DEMENTIY
                DEMENTIY 6 September 2013 11: 38 New
                -2
                “I can do that too” - this is your phrase from an article about finances and defense and it was not about airplanes. I didn’t joke about your professional skills, but criticizing the FSB officer as president you for some reason sincerely believe that the aviation industry worker is quite fit for this role! The riddle ?! Joke?!
                1. sashka
                  sashka 6 September 2013 12: 10 New
                  +2
                  Quote: DEMENTIY
                  sincerely believe that an employee of the aviation industry is quite fit for this role! The riddle ?! Joke?!

                  We were well taught .. In all disciplines. Therefore, collecting information in a heap, sorting and drawing conclusions is not difficult .. Look at the world from the other side of a wall or glass. and you will see all the "shoals" ..
                  1. DEMENTIY
                    DEMENTIY 6 September 2013 12: 35 New
                    +1
                    The conversation takes on an interesting turn.

                    Workers in the USSR missile industry were taught, I think, no worse. How do you evaluate the activities of Mr. Kuchma at a famous post? I think the analogy is successful.
                    1. sashka
                      sashka 6 September 2013 21: 35 New
                      -1
                      Quote: DEMENTIY
                      How do you evaluate the activities of Mr. Kuchma at a famous post?

                      I have no idea. And not interested. It doesn't matter ..
                2. sashka
                  sashka 6 September 2013 21: 23 New
                  -1
                  Quote: DEMENTIY
                  but criticizing the FSB officer as president you for some reason sincerely believe that an employee of the aviation industry is quite fit for this role! The riddle ?! Joke?!

                  Judging by the position of the "state" any cook can say so .. Two heads will not be enough. Will you be the third two-headed ?.
    2. IIIIvanov
      IIIIvanov 6 September 2013 09: 54 New
      +1
      Yes, I asked the exact same question, and why not Mriya, can someone clarify?
      1. newnutella
        newnutella 6 September 2013 10: 05 New
        +4
        Because, as Mriya is now a Ukrainian plane, it’s easier to use 124th agreement with our government. it's very unfortunate
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 6 September 2013 10: 27 New
        +4
        Because Mriya was intended for the delivery of spare parts of the Energia-Buran system to the cosmodrome and is hardly suitable for dropping cargo. This time. Second - Mriya is only one. And Ruslanov is a bunch. These are two. Yes, and it must be assumed that the dumping of 100 tons is significantly different from the dumping of 200 tons. And the meaning of carrying 100 tons to Mriya somehow disappears.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 6 September 2013 10: 57 New
          +2
          The most important thing is that ours, after finalizing with a file (modernization) and changing the name of Ruslana, will be done in the Russian Federation, and try to put Mriya in production again. Yes, and she is not Ukrainian, and once she was not.
    3. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 6 September 2013 10: 39 New
      +2
      Mriya in a single copy and it has been actively flying for 25 years.
      If you make a system with plans for a long operation,
      mass production of carrier aircraft is needed.
      Although Mriya will certainly be cooler.
    4. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 6 September 2013 11: 05 New
      +6
      The missile is supposed to be inside the aircraft, not outside.
      Mriya doesn’t have a stern ramp, she has a bow port. Besides, there are only two of them, one of them flies.
    5. aviator65
      aviator65 7 September 2013 03: 25 New
      +2
      For the scheme that is proposed, Mriya will not work. She has no back ramp. But the fact that the figure is serious. It’s a pity, Lozino-Lozinsky did not survive. That was his idea.
  5. mark1
    mark1 6 September 2013 09: 30 New
    +1
    Very good news! And unexpected. God grant that everything works out as intended.
  6. shurup
    shurup 6 September 2013 09: 35 New
    +1
    Everything is complicated somehow. So unreliable.
    Maybe it’s easier to drop a missile from an airship over the Pacific in the region of the equator?
    1. sashka
      sashka 6 September 2013 10: 00 New
      -5
      Quote: shurup
      Maybe it’s easier to drop a missile from an airship over the Pacific in the region of the equator?

      It’s easier as Rogozin suggests building a base on the Moon and throw it wherever you want. I don’t care .. There is no money and there’s a new "project". Just "we can’t make an airplane, they don’t want to take off missiles, with the Navy there’s a pipe .. But everything goes to "stars" .. which are awarded ..
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 6 September 2013 10: 09 New
        +2
        Yes good yelling, drunk or something? fool
        1. sashka
          sashka 6 September 2013 10: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          Yes good yelling, drunk or something?

          If I personally did this .. What does it mean to "scream." I just know .. And you? .. With your own hands, you have set at least one piece the size of an apartment with an accuracy of a mullimeter .. There’s nothing to be clever about ..
      2. sashka
        sashka 7 September 2013 12: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Sasha
        missiles do not want to take off

        Himself a fool .. As I looked into the water ..))) This is about the new launches of new missiles ..
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 September 2013 10: 10 New
      +1
      I agree, somehow it’s difficult with a missile landing.
      Moreover, something I doubt that the rocket will fly out of the plane with its nose against movement. It turns out that the rocket after the reset, flies forward with the engines and when they turn on, the rocket slows down (and at that time it also falls), then zero speed (still falling), a turn, speed gain ... brrr ....
      It is much more profitable to drop it with your nose on the move, there will be no extra 700 km / h, and turning its noses up is much easier.
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 6 September 2013 15: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        It turns out that the rocket after the reset, flies forward with the engines and when they turn on, the rocket slows down (and at that time it also falls), then zero speed (still falling), a turn, speed gain ... brrr ....

        So I looked at the application scheme, somehow complicated.
        Quote: Wedmak
        It is much more profitable to drop it with your nose on the move, there will be no extra 700 km / h, and turning its noses up is much easier.

        The main thing is that during the set of speed and altitude it wouldn’t “knock out” its carrier wassat
        PS: maybe that's why they dump it forward with the engine?
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 6 September 2013 20: 57 New
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    3. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 September 2013 10: 29 New
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      Maybe it’s easier to drop a missile from an airship over the Pacific in the region of the equator?

      By the way, also a good idea. Hanging under the airship 100 tons is easy. The main size!
  7. sashka
    sashka 6 September 2013 09: 42 New
    -2
    The sea launch was successfully failed and sold .. And Che wasn’t immediately underwater with the transition to the air .. "Mriya" then there is only one .. The second one will take ten years to build.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 September 2013 10: 14 New
      +3
      Sea Launch successfully failed and sold.

      Nothing failed there.
      On February 1 of 2013, 35 launches were made, including 31 successful, 1 partially successful and 3 unsuccessful.

      In general, they could re-equip one of the Sharks for this business. 20 mines, well, let half be removed for control systems and personnel, 10 launches at a time !!!! Yes, here you can take dozens of tourists into space!
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 6 September 2013 10: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        10 starts at a time !!!!

        "Wholesale is cheaper" (C) laughing
        By the way, an interesting idea!
        1. zzaharr
          zzaharr 6 September 2013 10: 43 New
          -4
          Old as a mammoth shit, and long successfully implemented lol
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 6 September 2013 11: 01 New
            +1
            and long successfully implemented

            Where, by whom, when?
            Yes, satellites launched from the BDRM. But these are single starts. Yes, and then one at a time.
            And then there is a specific opportunity to get TWO floating launch platforms !! With the ability to launch from anywhere in the oceans, including the Arctic dozen rockets with payload. And as we all know, with an increase in the number of launches, their cost will decrease.
        2. sashka
          sashka 6 September 2013 12: 22 New
          -2
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          "Wholesale is cheaper" (C) laughing
          By the way, an interesting idea!

          Explain this to tourists .. Fill the crowd of people even at startup .. Then there are simply no words .. Of course you can blame on faulty Chinese microcircuits. But this is not an argument ..
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 6 September 2013 12: 44 New
            +1
            Explain this to tourists .. Fill the crowd of people at the start ..

            Why suddenly fill up? I joked about tourists, it’s clear that a person is unlikely to survive a mortar launch (although he can withstand it, he’s not quite sure), but satellites, packages from the ground, parts of the ISS will easily and easily be thrown into orbit.
    2. Genry
      Genry 6 September 2013 12: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Sasha
      Sea Launch successfully failed and sold ..

      Who was sold to?
      Almost all rights passed to Russia. Not very active but still works.

      But it’s more profitable to start from an airplane. More precisely, such a big “bazooka” with wings is desirable here.
      1. sashka
        sashka 6 September 2013 12: 28 New
        0
        Turning a LLC into a CJSC, etc. This does not mean that this stupidity belongs to us .. What we wanted and got ..
      2. sashka
        sashka 6 September 2013 18: 47 New
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        Quote: Genry
        More precisely, such a big “bazooka” with wings is desirable here.

        Build .. I have no more questions ..
  8. sashka
    sashka 6 September 2013 09: 52 New
    +2
    Put a bold minus. Chatterboxes, let the aircraft be built first. Which is not made in the USSR.
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 6 September 2013 10: 06 New
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      What did not please Ruslan?
      It seems that it is planned to carry out transportation and launch not from an external suspension ...
      Or lack of knowledge why Mriya was created and why such a strange form of "Tail"?
      1. sashka
        sashka 6 September 2013 10: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        Or lack of knowledge why Mriya was created and why such a strange form of "Tail"?

        I’ve built it myself in Tashkent .. I believe that I know what I'm talking about .. My thing is the mechanization of the back of the wing .. Carbon fiber panels, spoilers, flaps and other things .. I can’t stand amateurs ..
        1. zzaharr
          zzaharr 6 September 2013 10: 45 New
          -3
          Quote: Sasha
          He built in Tashkent.

          Unemployed chtole? sad
          1. sashka
            sashka 6 September 2013 10: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: zzaharr
            Quote: Sasha
            He built in Tashkent.

            Unemployed chtole? sad

            Now yes .. No one in FIG needs anything ..
            1. surok1
              surok1 11 July 2020 13: 00 New
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              Tell me, is there a space systems club somewhere? I would enter. I would like to do something, otherwise I fantasize, figure it out, put it into my mind ... Now there is a virtual wind tunnel, somewhere. Somewhere far from me
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  9. ben gun
    ben gun 6 September 2013 09: 54 New
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    An air start at work is good. and what happened to the MAKS (Multipurpose Aerospace System) project, can anyone say? http://buran.ru/htm/maxmain.htm
  10. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 6 September 2013 10: 09 New
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    The idea is good! Question one! Is it real and will not a lot of money be wasted in vain ?!
    1. sashka
      sashka 6 September 2013 10: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Vlad_Mir
      Is it real and will not a lot of money be wasted in vain ?!

      Apparently a rhetorical question .. First, someone needs to be taught what and how to do .. Where are the shots? Otherwise, just the construction of the Tower of Babel ..
  11. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 6 September 2013 10: 40 New
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    The launch spectacle will be enchanting, interestingly, they will show?)
  12. Svetlana
    Svetlana 6 September 2013 10: 44 New
    +1
    Then, for the An-124-100 Ruslan, it is imperative to develop a pilot ejection system, otherwise it could be like during the crash of M.I. Nedelin on Baikonur in 1960 (see http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0% 9A% D0% B0% D1% 82% D0% B0% D1% 81% D1% 82% D1% 80% D0% BE% D1
    %84%D0%B0_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B5_(1
    960 )
    But in general, an airplane is good, and an unmanned airship is better.
  13. Alligator_S
    Alligator_S 6 September 2013 11: 21 New
    -1
    Good! In wartime conditions, such aircraft are easily transformed into strategic bombers.
  14. sashka
    sashka 6 September 2013 11: 53 New
    +4
    I restrained myself, didn’t answer insults .. You guys cross all borders insanely .. Are you trying to keep up with the two-headed “presidents”? .. I personally did it .. And you .. Heroes also knocked on the keys .. Ege you get it .. Bravo !! and rushing .. IL-76 is also my job .. From the age of 14. from! 1977. What are you proud of?
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 6 September 2013 12: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Sasha
      You guys cross all boundaries insanely

      do not worry.
      and don’t take anything bad in the head.
    2. Kir
      Kir 6 September 2013 15: 02 New
      +1
      As you respect and low bow, and with regards to the fact that you indicated that the engineer is better than a lawyer, forgive the fans and admirers, but our president is a lawyer !, but a normal engineer, especially from technically complex industries, is not even a cut above, but simply much higher in knowledge and the intelligence of all humanities, so humble the representatives of the humanitarian workshop !!! And if a school has also been passed from an engineer to a more or less significant figure — the beginning of the workshop or higher — then the humanities in general weren’t standing near, perhaps only a few examples like Joseph Vissarionovich were issued from the general heap, but they were “piece-wise” persons !!!
  15. Hort
    Hort 6 September 2013 12: 07 New
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    hmm ... what prevents the Spiral system from reanimating and developing further? she somehow looked more fortunate and reliable
  16. scientist
    scientist 6 September 2013 12: 10 New
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    The project is certainly very good. The main thing is that the launch can be carried out from anywhere in the world and for any orbits. I am sure that this is the future of astronautics. But do not forget about the dual-use capabilities of such projects, as it was with the MiG-31D. Why not think about similar tasks using strategic bombers such as Tu_160.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 September 2013 12: 48 New
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      Why not think about similar tasks using strategic bombers such as Tu_160.

      Where do you attach the 160 missile to the Tu-100? And he won’t raise that much.
      1. scientist
        scientist 6 September 2013 20: 37 New
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        Why necessarily 100t. For example, on the MiG-31D, only a 5-ton rocket was hooked and a payload of up to 300 kg was successfully put into low Earth orbit.
        1. aviator65
          aviator65 7 September 2013 23: 20 New
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          Where did the information come from, and what kind of Mig-31D? In the late 80s to create a modification of the MiG-31 to work on targets in orbit (anti-satellite, ed. "07"), but as far as I know (and I found it) the work was not completed. As for the most 5 ton rocket with 300 kg payload, it turns out some fantastic weight gain. And where to hang it on / under the MiG-31?
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 7 September 2013 23: 22 New
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            The MiG-31D board No. 072 on tests (http://www.airwar.ru). 79M6 rocket (left) and the MiG-31D carrier board No. 072 blue at the Sary-Shagan training ground. Probably, the photo was taken in 2003 during a visit to the Sary-Shagan training ground by the President of Kazakhstan N. Nazarbayev (http://www.airwar.ru).
            Anti-satellite aircraft missile system / anti-satellite aircraft-based system. The complex was developed by NPKB Almaz to defeat low-orbit satellites. The chief designer of the complex is A.A. Lemansky. Ground-based means for target detection and guidance of the aircraft complex were located at facility No. 2574 / platform No. 74 of the Sary-Shagan training ground. Development of ground facilities of the complex - NPKB Almaz, installation was carried out by NPO Cascade. The creation of the anti-satellite system was probably started by the decision of the military-industrial complex under the USSR Council of Ministers of January 6, 1983. The resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the USSR Council of Ministers on the creation of the complex was issued on November 27, 1984.

            In accordance with Decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 1124-361 dated 29.11.1983/1984/30, starting in 6, in the interests of creating the XNUMXPXNUMX anti-satellite system, a prototype of the Azov missile defense system also worked at the Sary-Shagan test site.

            The composition of the anti-satellite system:
            - Radar-optical complex for recognition of space objects 45ZH6 "Krona" (location - object 2574 of the Sary-Shagan test site, developer - TsKB Almaz);
            - command transfer system 46I6;
            - anti-satellite aircraft complex 30P6 "Contact" consisting of:
            - MiG-31D carrier aircraft (developer - MiG Design Bureau);
            - 79M6 Kontakt rocket with a satellite kinetic interceptor (developer - MKB Fakel).
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            2. Alex 241
              Alex 241 7 September 2013 23: 31 New
              +1
              The rebirth of the MiG-31: deputies “for”, military “against”
              1. aviator65
                aviator65 8 September 2013 00: 26 New
                +1
                Something is alarming in the words of the Air Force Commander. Oh, cunning! Such people as S. Savitskaya can’t hang noodles here. MiG-31, you see, "morally obsolete"! This is despite the fact that it is in considerable quantity and still has no analogues. And the T-50 is also a "chicken in the nest." Su-35 - generally from another opera. And the passage rel. 50 billion rubles That is, either spend them on the resumption of production of what has already proved its effectiveness, or let something develop with a still not clear perspective. And so, what would release and develop in parallel now is not fate in any way?
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 8 September 2013 00: 31 New
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                  Scam, damn it, a scam! I don’t like this: develop new things!
                  1. aviator65
                    aviator65 8 September 2013 02: 33 New
                    +2
                    "Give a kickback!" this.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 8 September 2013 02: 38 New
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                      There’s nothing to add!
                      1. aviator65
                        aviator65 8 September 2013 02: 46 New
                        +1
                        Moreover, the developer of all the new is known.
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 8 September 2013 02: 57 New
                        +1
                        I can guess with one letter in any syllable!
          2. aviator65
            aviator65 7 September 2013 23: 59 New
            +1
            If my memory serves me, then this instance, as in the photo, I had the opportunity to observe back in 88-89. in Zhukovsky at the Mikoyan base of the LII. There were just two flight specimens "07-1" and "07-2". Index 31D then did not apply to them. Then the flight tests were continued at Balkhash. In Zhukovsky, the indicated missile apparently did not "shine." But then again, the system is anti-satellite! Those. throw b.ch. to the height of the orbit is one thing, and to bring 300 kg of payload to the orbit, here, it seems to me, 5 tons can’t do. By the way, from the anti-satellite system: "- 79M6 Kontakt rocket with a satellite kinetic interceptor (developed by the Fakel ICB)." In fact, this is a blank.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 8 September 2013 00: 07 New
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              Lesha is not up to date honestly, they drove us to the 31st in 1987, and that’s a pre-production sample. I only finished school in 89.
            2. scientist
              scientist 8 September 2013 08: 26 New
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              I myself read the documents of the Design Bureau on this project, it was never realized only because both MiG-31D were running out of the assigned resource. And the military didn’t need problems with the commercial launches of satellites. But all the same, they managed to blow it with a model of a rocket in a wind tunnel.
              1. aviator65
                aviator65 8 September 2013 14: 59 New
                +1
                The main reason for the closure of the topic is that it stood in the courtyard in 1991. By the way, then Buran passed away safely.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 6 September 2013 12: 17 New
    +1
    I propose that the first launch be carried out immediately over the Mediterranean Sea towards Israel.
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 6 September 2013 12: 24 New
    +3
    This whole dual-use system. The second appointment is a new type (previously prohibited by the agreement with the amers) of strategic deterrence weapons.

    The idea is simple. A plane with ICBMs flies in its own air defense zone. It is virtually invulnerable to destruction by the enemy. Mines are vulnerable, Poplars are vulnerable and well tracked from space, but this one is not. It is invulnerable to a preemptive strike and practically does not lend itself to destruction by enemy aircraft, since it circles under the cover of its air defense in the air.

    In 2006 Amers successfully tested the discharge of the weight model of ICBMs from an airplane. and ... the development of such weapons began. Amers also have an air launch project. In the Mojave desert, they have a long take-off and a prototype aircraft for raising ICBMs. They did not modernize any aircraft, but construct it from scratch, and have already created a huge monster
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 September 2013 12: 49 New
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      They did not modernize any aircraft, but construct it from scratch, and have already created a huge monster

      Show me the photo please.
      1. Letterksi
        Letterksi 6 September 2013 21: 02 New
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        I’ve read a little bit, but it’s about airborne

        http://www.popmech.ru/article/8922-strategicheskoe-oruzhie-buduschego/

        Fotu prototype not found. Also read about him in the popular mechanics a year ago. He saw in it a prototype with assurances of exclusively civilian use for air launch. Found magazine cover

    2. sashka
      sashka 6 September 2013 18: 06 New
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      Quote: LetterKsi
      The idea is simple. A plane with ICBMs flies in its own air defense zone. It is virtually invulnerable to destruction by the enemy. Mines are vulnerable, Poplars are vulnerable and well tracked from space, but this one is not. It is invulnerable to a preemptive strike and practically does not lend itself to destruction by enemy aircraft, since it circles under the cover of its air defense in the air.

      Oh my god .. What the hell..May shout out the glory of Min obrazu ..
    3. Denis
      Denis 6 September 2013 21: 40 New
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      Quote: LetterKsi
      The idea is simple. A plane with ICBMs flies in its own air defense zone. It is virtually invulnerable to destruction by the enemy
      Isn’t it possible for an ordinary strategist? It is equipped with a refueling system
      1. Letterksi
        Letterksi 6 September 2013 22: 51 New
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        There are probably their own technological features, carrying capacity, fuselage design, center of gravity, stiffeners, equipment and all that distinguishes from a strategist
  • smprofi
    smprofi 6 September 2013 12: 24 New
    +4
    hmm ... why is this the first photo of Ruslan with the identification marks of the 224th flight detachment of the Moscow Region? with the marks of the Voronezh "Flight" was not found or what? so we have them:

















    PS by the way ... now the 224th flight is also a comedian: JSC "224th flight detachment" with all the equipment from the military ranks to civilian
    An-124 Ruslan - 5 pcs.
    An-124-100 Ruslan - 1 pc.
    IL-76MD - 25 pcs.
    1. sashka
      sashka 6 September 2013 18: 32 New
      +2
      Good pictures .. It's nice to look at my work .. Thank you .. My cars are from 3 to 12 .. The coolest thing is that I didn’t see them in my eyes .. I just made wings ..)))
  • rudolff
    rudolff 6 September 2013 12: 53 New
    +3
    We had successful launches of satellites from the BDRM with the Shtil 1 and Shtil 2 conversion missiles. R-29RM-based missiles. The thrown weight is small, but microsatellites can be displayed in batches. Tested and forgotten. Looks too cheap turned out to be uninteresting. We need super projects, where "dough is nemeryano"!
    A Makeyevka firm, by the way, a little earlier offered to adapt its ICBMs for air launch from the 76th.
  • washi
    washi 6 September 2013 14: 09 New
    +4
    How much can billions be allocated to raise the Soviet archives? When will the development of the Russian Federation.
    By the way, "Mriya" is not Ukrainian, but Soviet development, as well as tanks and planes.
    Why does the outskirts use the Soviet heritage, and the Russian Federation should ask the outskirts for permission?
    1. sashka
      sashka 6 September 2013 18: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Vasya
      When will the development of the Russian Federation.

      When will restore vocational schools. Then at least something can be said. And if the shopping centers built on the site of the aircraft factories are demolished, I will vote with two hands, for the two-headed "presidents" .. There was money for demolition. There is no money to build .. It remains to shout Glory !! Indispensable ..)))) Strange Russian Language. Sometimes it even gets scary ..
  • shurup
    shurup 6 September 2013 17: 29 New
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    Vasya - "Why does the outskirts use the Soviet heritage?"
    Not the outskirts, but the front line after the successful self-torpedoing of the Warsaw Pact with the classic scrolling and inheritance in western taverns and casinos.
    Why in Cuba there is still no spaceport, but there is Guantanamo.
    Or is it more correct to say "In Cuba"?
    1. sashka
      sashka 6 September 2013 18: 09 New
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      Quote: shurup
      Or is it more correct to say "In Cuba"?

      On the outskirts. or in Ukraine, we also can’t decide in any way ..
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 6 September 2013 18: 40 New
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    The idea is good, you do not need cosmodromes, just have a network of high-quality aerodromes at different latitudes and launch it, but ... such a start is rather complicated, but for us, sorry, so far rockets have fallen from a ground launch that has been worked out for decades. And what will happen to the fall of missiles from an air launch if the "connection of components" is again confused there? A ground launch has a lot of pre-launch tests and then ...
    And then the whole cycle is in the air and if it fails, then how to land the plane back with such a load and tens of tons of rocket fuel?
  • studentmati
    studentmati 6 September 2013 20: 08 New
    +1
    The idea is good. good

    And from the comments continuous disappointment. sad
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 6 September 2013 23: 06 New
    +3
    In the Soviet Union, to study the principles of creating reusable space systems, the MiG-105.11 orbit aircraft was developed under the Spiral program. It was launched from a strategic bomber - an accelerator. After piloting, he landed on a prepared site. Instead, the chassis had special skis. I have not visited space. The program was curtailed. Currently, an exhibit of the Air Force Museum in Monino, Moscow Region.
  • Current 72
    Current 72 7 September 2013 02: 09 New
    +6
    I’m not an expert in this field, but, as a simple layman, I’ll say this: what’s being done in Russia, and let’s do it for Russia, the main thing is that it would be useful. It’s not a pity for money, we will tolerate it and whoever steals that money, cut hands. Maybe then Russia will become a great state. I’m Belarusian, but I’m Russian because I was born in the USSR. I wish success to the Russians in this great work, space exploration. Sorry, I didn’t write comfortably, but from the heart !!!
  • vadimuch
    vadimuch 18 September 2013 15: 03 New
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    What is being done makes no sense either from the military or from the scientific point of view. The launch of small satellites from the equator is the only sensible proposal, and even then for science in terms of cost reduction.
    Competitors have given up developing such toys for a long time and are on the path of reusable hard starts. We could get ahead but they told us to march and all that they could have ditched for a long time. Even the last accident was surrounded by such a stinky bunch of lies that it seems they were afraid themselves. And all just to organize a new corporation. The system is simple-space FSUEs and the whole tale. A corporation is just some kind of happiness! Whoever doubts arise, read the charter of Sukhoi everything will be immediately clear. The consequences will be the same, protomodels in the air and drank dings.
    And hard starts are tomorrow to which the states will come to the twentieth year and fuck us.
    1. Current 72
      Current 72 18 September 2013 15: 55 New
      +1
      I would advise you to be more optimistic, and do not get hung up on all the BAD that is happening in Russia. And pay more attention to what is done GOOD in modern Russia. With this appeal, I appeal not only to YOU, but also to everyone RUSSIANS. Sincerely.
  • rubin6286
    rubin6286 27 January 2014 19: 54 New
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    I hope that promising developments on the topics indicated in the article are underway in our country. Comments on it show not only the interest of readers, but also, often, their complete misunderstanding of the problems that arise when using the “air launch”. In the narrow sense of the word, there is not enough specialized knowledge and knowledge, and it is not so important a humanist or an engineer.
    I would like to share my thoughts on such an “air launch”.
    1. The fact is that launching an air-to-air missile and launching a missile weighing 102 tons and a length of 30 meters fueled with liquid rocket fuel is not the same thing. The oxygen used as an oxidizing agent is liquid and evaporates in preparation for launch. Therefore, a carrier pressurization system should be provided in the carrier aircraft. Without going into design features, I will say that this is an additional mass, and besides, there is also the mass of an automatic control and control system with or without an additional crew member.
    2. The missile drop system specified in the article (launch container, powder pressure accumulator, etc., etc.) is completely unsuitable, because will lead to a violation of the longitudinal stability of the aircraft, the appearance of shock loads and the destruction of the fuselage.
    3. The crew is simply “tormented” to create the most comfortable initial flight conditions (“slide” with access to a parabolic trajectory, the desired pitch angle, etc., etc.).
    4. Installing a satellite in the air is not just fiction, but stupidity. The author of the article wrote about this, because he himself has never seen how this is actually done. Who will mount? How many of these "assemblers" do you need?
    5. There is such a thing - prelaunch rocket preparation, and on the ground a whole complex of equipment, the so-called test and starting equipment. It is necessary in order to check the health of all ground systems before installing the rocket in the launch system, the rocket itself before refueling, during refueling and preparation for launch (before pressing the "start" button). If any malfunctions or emergency situations are detected, the start-up can be delayed until they are eliminated. Where is the equipment on a carrier aircraft, who will track the prelaunch training (it is not necessary to “hang” this on the crew).
    "Air start", in the understanding of the author of the article, today is more exotic than fantasy. There is still an economic aspect to this problem, but let others talk about it.
  • Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 30 October 2014 13: 05 New
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    And I wonder if you can launch an ICBM like this?
  • Vpk72
    Vpk72 3 June 2017 18: 12 New
    +3
    4 years have passed and no result
    as in all Russian cosmonautics