Russia is working on the creation of "Air start"

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After 2-3 years, the Russian aviation a space missile system being developed as part of the Air Launch project, can conduct the first tests. The latest version of the Air Launch ARKK was presented at the MAKS-2013 air show held in Zhukovsky near Moscow. The implementation of this project is carried out by the State Rocket Center (GRC) named after Makeev, who is developing it together with the private company Polet. The leading specialist of the GRC, Sergey Egorov, in an interview with the Rosinformburo website noted that in 2-3 years everyone will know about us. According to Yegorov, the Polet company is ready to provide its An-124-100 Ruslan aircraft for practical testing. At the initial stage of testing, using the mockups, the discharge of cargo from the aircraft and the initial stages of launch will be worked out.

Sergey Egorov noted that interest in this innovative project has increased, including from the Russian Ministry of Defense, and in this regard, he expressed hope for achieving good results. The specialist believes that this project can be used to launch military satellites into space. “Air Launch” is a project that is a system that is able to put space vehicles into Earth orbit using an environmentally friendly fuel booster rocket, which starts from a large transport aircraft A-124-100.

“Ruslan” with a missile on board, which is located in a reusable container, in a given area at an altitude of about 10 000 meters performs a “hill”. At this point, the rocket is ejected from the container with the help of a steam and gas generator, at a distance of 200-250 meters from the aircraft, the cruise engine is turned on and the controlled flight to the specified orbital path begins. Specialist SRC them. Makeeva stressed a number of the main advantages of the complex with this method of launch. First of all, it is the absence of the need to build expensive launch ground complexes, the use of different launch areas, advance planning of the exclusion zones to drop the detachable stage of the rocket, as well as the possibility of increasing the payload.

Currently, work on a similar project is actively underway in the United States. In America, we have already conducted several successful tests on the discharge of large-sized cargo from an airplane using a parachute. At the same time, the Russian way of leaving the aircraft with oversized cargo Sergey Egorov considers it safer and more reliable. The representative of the SRC them. Makeeva believes that in our case, an unaccented and controlled dumping of the “Flight” missile (mass of 102 tons, length over 30 meters) with the necessary overloads is achieved. At the same time, the parachute method is less predictable and is only suitable for rockets that have lower weight and size characteristics.

Russia is working on the creation of "Air start"

In Russia, space-based air-launched launch vehicles began to be designed in the middle of the 90s of the last century by several organizations simultaneously. Further, all managed to advance the development, which was initiated by the Chemical and Automation Bureau and Polet Airlines (both companies from Voronezh), which in May 1999 of the year established the Air Launch Corporation of the same name. The shareholders of this company soon became GNPRKTS TsSKB-Progress (Samara) and RSC Energia (Korolev, Moscow region). However, these enterprises in the beginning of 2000-s left the corporation, and their place of lead developer took them the SRC. Makeeva (Miass, Chelyabinsk region).

The meaning of the project is to ensure the mobility of space launches, since there is no need to build a cosmodrome when launching a rocket from an aircraft. From the very beginning of the project the heavy transport aircraft An-124-100ВС "Ruslan" was to be the main element of the complex. In the center of Russia in Samara, on the basis of the airfield of the company “Polet”, it was supposed to organize some kind of “cosmodrome”.

In 2006, the project became international: at the intergovernmental level, an agreement was reached with Indonesia, which pledged to build on its island Biak all the necessary infrastructure for the deployment of Ruslan aircraft and loading missiles on them. In September, 2007, the information appeared that the ambitious project entered the home straight. The first launch was being prepared for the 2010 year, and a contract was signed with one of the Western European companies to launch 6 satellites. However, since then about the "Air Start" as if forgotten.

We remembered him again in the 2012 year, when the SRC them. Makeev was able to enlist the support of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Economic Development, and the Federal Space Agency. Then there was information that the implementation of this project will require investments 25 billion rubles. At the same time, the construction of the “demonstrator” was estimated at 4 billion rubles, while the total costs within the framework of the development of the Air Start system were estimated at 25 billion rubles (the creation of the demonstrator was up to 3 years, the project implementation was 5-6 years).



Air Start System

The Russian Air Start system using the Polet launch vehicle belonging to the light class (weight about 100 tons) is able to ensure the launches of light satellites to low (up to 2 thousand km.), Medium ones (10-20 thousand. km.), geosynchronous and geostationary orbits, as well as departure trajectories to the Moon and planets of our Solar system. The project provides for launching a launch vehicle with satellites on board from altitudes in 10-11 thousands of meters from an air launch platform, which is planned to use a modification of the world's heaviest commercially produced transport aircraft An-124-100 "Ruslan", which was created in 1983, the Ukrainian state enterprise ASTC them. OK. Antonov.

Also part of the system is the Polet light launch vehicle, which is created using the most advanced rocket technologies that were created in Russia as part of the manned program of the Soyuz launch vehicle and confirmed its high safety and reliability. In this case, the booster will operate on environmentally safe rocket fuel (kerosene + liquid oxygen).

At the first stage of the rocket, modified liquid rocket engines NK-43 (NK-33-1) are used, which were created as part of the work on the lunar rocket H-1 and worked out to the reliability of 0,998. As the second stage of the Polet rocket, it is planned to use the third stage of the mass-produced Soyuz-2 rocket with an improved RD-0124 rocket engine.

At the initial stage of the operation of the Polet missiles, in order to minimize costs and reduce the time spent on its development, the propulsion system of the first rocket stage can be taken to be similar to the installation of the TsSKB-Progress developed at the first stage of the light Soyuz-1 launch vehicle: with existing main engine NK-33А and steering 4-chamber engine РД 0110Р.


For delivery of space satellites to orbits of various heights and departure trajectories, the launch vehicle can be equipped with an accelerating unit, which is an improved modification of the upper stage “L” of the Molniya launch vehicle, with oxygen-kerosene rocket engines 11D58MF installed on it (5 tc rocket) . Work on this engine is currently underway at RSC Energia. S. p. Queen.

The use of existing Russian rocket technologies in the High-altitude launch project can have a positive impact on the timing and cost of developing the system, providing it with the best economic and technical characteristics. The construction of the Vostochny space center can become the best option for locating the created system on the territory of our country. The proximity of the Pacific Ocean provides the best conditions for selecting the optimal routes on the active part of the flight of the Polet launch vehicle.

System operation diagram

After the Polet launch vehicle and the upper stage are delivered to the Russian Vostochny space center or to the space port on an Indonesian island, the launch vehicle and the satellite are integrated. The installation of a satellite on a rocket can be carried out in a technical complex specially built at the spaceport or directly in the aircraft itself. After the completion of the assembly process of the launch complex and the carrying out of all necessary checks, refueling of the aircraft carrier, space upper unit and the rocket, the aircraft takes off to the calculated launch area.

The flight pattern of this system provides launching satellites into Earth orbit with almost any inclination. This is achieved due to the fact that the aircraft can launch a rocket at a distance of thousands of kilometers in 4-4,5. from the spaceport. At the same time, the launching zone of the rocket when planning each specific flight will be selected based on the conditions for ensuring a given inclination of the orbit of the space satellite, the location of the flight path and areas of incidence of detachable rocket elements in low-navigable waters of the World Ocean. Also, when choosing a launch route, the need for landing of “Ruslan” after launching the launch vehicle will be taken into account at one of the nearest airfields, which is able to receive planes of this class.


In the calculation zone of the launch of the rocket to create the most comfortable initial flight conditions, the aircraft carries out an aerobatic flight called a slide with access to a parabolic trajectory, which allows for a flight mode that is close to zero gravity for 6-10 seconds. At this moment, the normal overload on the “Flight” missile will not exceed the 0,1-0,3 units. This solution allows 2-2,5 to increase the missile mass of the times as compared with the ordinary landing in horizontal flight mode, and thus increase its carrying capacity.

At the moment when the carrier on the “Hill” mode reaches the maximum angle of inclination of the trajectory to the local horizon (cabling angle of the order of 20 °), the missile is ejected from the aircraft using a special launch container using a pneumatic ejection system equipped with a powder pressure accumulator. The process of the launch of the “Flight” from the “Ruslan” takes about 3 seconds, the longitudinal overload at this moment does not exceed the 1,5 unit. After the procedure of landing a rocket and the subsequent implementation of the flight segments of its first and second stages, as well as of the space upper stage, the space satellite is separated and its exit to a given orbit.

It is worth noting that the technology of landing heavy loads from an aircraft, which are significantly larger than cargoes that are dropped in normal horizontal flight, was implemented in the USSR in 1987-1990 in the framework of the Energy-Buran program. This technology was developed within the framework of the rescue of reusable energy rocket units of the first stage of the “Energy” rocket and provided for the landing of heavy loads in airplane flight modes close to weightlessness.

Energy opportunities

The use of the Polet launch vehicle allows launching satellites weighing up to 4,5 tons into orbit when they are launched into low equatorial orbits, up to 3,5 tons - into low polar orbits, up to 0,85 tons - into orbits of GLONASS or Galileo navigation systems, up to 0,8 tons - to geostationary orbits. In the case of equipping geostationary satellites with an apogee propulsion system, which ensures the transition of a satellite from a geo-transmission orbit to a geostationary, the Polet light rocket can provide satellites with a mass up to 1 tons to a geostationary orbit. On departure trajectories to other planets of the Solar system, as well as to the Moon, it can deliver spacecraft with a mass of 1-1,2 tons. Such opportunities for the “Air Launch” loading capacity are provided by starting from a height of about 10-11 thousands of meters.

Information sources:
-http: //rosinform.ru/2013/09/02/rossiya-sozdaet-vozdushnyy-start
-http: //eurasian-defence.ru/node/2644
-http: //www.kommersant.ru/doc/1972255
-http: //chel.dkvartal.ru/news/miasskij-raketnyj-centr-predstavit-kompleks-vozdushnyj-start-na-aviasalone-maks2013-236756197
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  1. avt
    +2
    6 September 2013 09: 16
    “Burlak" will be reanimated? Like in the photo from MAKS I saw the Khrunichev development.
    1. +4
      6 September 2013 09: 38
      It is necessary to develop a spaceship so that it could go at least into a low orbit from the runway ... the military would like such a spaceship ...
      1. +3
        6 September 2013 20: 40
        ShturmKGB
        It is necessary to develop a spaceship so that it could go at least into a low orbit from the runway ... the military would like such a spaceship ...
        So this "air launch" is a military development of the Cold War era, when they were going to launch strategic ballistic missiles.
        Soviet designers did not stay away from the trends of the time. In the 1970–1980s, the USSR developed an intercontinental aviation missile system (“MARK”) based on sea-based ICBMs and An-22 and An-124 military transport aircraft. Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering and Design Bureau OK Antonov showed the possibility of placing one R-22R missile on the An-29, and two or three on the An-124 plane.

        http://www.popmech.ru/article/8922-strategicheskoe-oruzhie-buduschego/
        So we tried to respond to the threats of time
        Container with "Makeevka" rocket

        An22 "Antey" - one of the carriers of the "air launch" in the USSR
        Not only that, for this they wanted to apply and this development of OKB Mil

        So, the matter is not new, but nevertheless very promising and very necessary for our country ...
        1. Alex 241
          0
          6 September 2013 20: 51
          "Air start"
          1. Kir
            0
            6 September 2013 21: 43
            Thank you for the video, but there’s some point, of course we can say that it’s wildly suspicious, but it seems like the phones are similar to city cell phones or were in Moscow (in the Ostankino district, old with a start at 205?) But in general it smelled of some kind of moment from films about the future. With regards to the launch cost, it’s also a well-known moment that 1 kilo of space technology is at least equivalent to 1 kilo of gold so ...., the names of the developers of the Central Design Bureau Makeev and so on down the list are the only ones to soothe.
        2. +1
          7 September 2013 03: 19
          B-12 was actually planned to be used to deliver components of ballistic missiles to remote launch sites. For an air launch, he would hardly have provided the necessary height. Still, his ceiling is helicopter.
    2. Kir
      +2
      6 September 2013 14: 54
      I asked the same question in the comments to one of the reviews on the current MAKS, with regards to the Khrunichev Center, I already wrote the same, with the current state of affairs it is unlikely that they will master it, at least not in my native Moscow, Now it was hung on the barge haule as oversized cargo under the "belly" of the strategic Tu-160, and at the exhibition a passer-by but Baikal, and as follows from the text, is an integral part of another system.
      1. +2
        6 September 2013 18: 21
        was suspended as an oversized cargo under the "belly" of the strategic Tu-160
        But it did go use a supersonic strategist like a truck
        It’s like driving a beer for Formula 1.The reduction in the construction of military equipment in Russia forced the developers of the Tu-160 to look for a new, civilian application... In the early 90s, the Tupolev ASTC, together with the Raduga machine-building design bureau (from the city of Dubna) and the Moscow Power Engineering Institute of Aviation Systems, developed a project for the Burlak aviation complex, which was intended for launching commercial artificial satellites into near-earth orbits.

        And the crime highlighted in general, do we have a lot of them?
        In the presence of American senators Richard Lugar and Karl Levin, the Tu-160 with a tail number 24, released in 1989 and having 466 flying hours, was cut. The second was a Tu-160 with tail number 13, built in 1991 and having a flight time of less than 100 hours.
        What did these unconventional nedorez decided to reprofile? Does not give the White Swan toads (or -op -?) Am at rest
        I ask the developers of Burlak, but it's again
        MAKE PANS FROM ROCKETS with a stupid one, even wet pants, raptures. Alas, it was already like that ...
        this is not to be removed in the fuselage, and the load on the glider
    3. Alex 241
      +1
      6 September 2013 18: 55
      Tu-160SK with side No. 342 (serial No. 04-01, built on 22.03.1988/XNUMX/XNUMX) at the Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky with a layout of the Burlak launch vehicle
  2. +9
    6 September 2013 09: 17
    ABOUT!!!!! Great !!! Maybe in time we will start an analogue of the Spiral project ...
    Gleb Evgenievich Lozino-Lozinsky, blessed memory, would be glad now ....
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  4. +7
    6 September 2013 09: 23
    “Air Launch” is a project that is a system that is able to launch spacecraft into Earth’s orbit with the help of an environmentally friendly fuel launch vehicle, which starts from the side of the A-124-100 large transport aircraft. It’s not clear why not with An-225 Mriya, he is also friendly with the cosmos, especially:
    In addition, it was supposed to use the An-225 as the first stage of the spacecraft’s air launch system, which required the aircraft to have a payload of at least 250 tons, and in my opinion it’s tail-mounted, so the two-keel is more convenient
    Or, again, politics, so that she ...
    1. sashka
      -5
      6 September 2013 09: 46
      Quote: Denis
      It is incomprehensible, but why not with An-225 Mriya, it’s also friendly with space

      What is the difference .. The main thing is to shout .. They will promise to launch from the An-2.
      1. -2
        6 September 2013 10: 26
        Quote: Sasha
        They are with "An-2"
        From it, it’s only a model rocket, at least dumb, and it’s harder to not launch ATGM
        They want to steal money?
      2. +2
        6 September 2013 10: 38
        Sasha completely agree-sick talkers!

        Now, if you were there!

        Oh, what a talent in Engels disappears!
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        2. sashka
          0
          6 September 2013 10: 57
          [
          Quote: DEMENTIY
          Oh, what a talent in Engels disappears!

          Are you joking?
          1. -2
            6 September 2013 11: 11
            Sasha
            "Are you kidding me?"

            "I can do that too" - were you joking?
            1. sashka
              +1
              6 September 2013 11: 24
              Quote: DEMENTIY
              "I can do that too" - were you joking?

              No .. Actually I did it in the 24th workshop. I’m not worried at all .. I have something to be proud of ..
              1. -2
                6 September 2013 11: 38
                "I can do that too" - this is your phrase from an article about finance and defense and it was not about airplanes. I didn’t joke about your professional skills, but criticizing the FSB officer in the presidency, for some reason you sincerely believe that an aviation worker is quite suitable for this role! A riddle ?! Joke?!
                1. sashka
                  +2
                  6 September 2013 12: 10
                  Quote: DEMENTIY
                  sincerely believe that an employee of the aviation industry is quite fit for this role! The riddle ?! Joke?!

                  We were taught well ... in all disciplines. Therefore, it is not difficult to collect information in a heap, sort it and draw conclusions ... Look at the world from the other side of the wall or glass. and you will see all the "shoals" ..
                  1. +1
                    6 September 2013 12: 35
                    The conversation takes on an interesting turn.

                    Workers in the USSR missile industry were taught, I think, no worse. How do you evaluate the activities of Mr. Kuchma at a famous post? I think the analogy is successful.
                    1. sashka
                      -1
                      6 September 2013 21: 35
                      Quote: DEMENTIY
                      How do you evaluate the activities of Mr. Kuchma at a famous post?

                      I have no idea. And not interested. It doesn't matter ..
                2. sashka
                  -1
                  6 September 2013 21: 23
                  Quote: DEMENTIY
                  but criticizing the FSB officer as president you for some reason sincerely believe that an employee of the aviation industry is quite fit for this role! The riddle ?! Joke?!

                  Judging by the position of the "state", any cook can say so .. Two heads will not be enough. Will you be the third two-headed?
    2. +1
      6 September 2013 09: 54
      Yes, I asked the exact same question, and why not Mriya, can someone clarify?
      1. new nutella
        +4
        6 September 2013 10: 05
        Because, as Mriya is now a Ukrainian plane, it’s easier to use 124th agreement with our government. it's very unfortunate
      2. +4
        6 September 2013 10: 27
        Because Mriya was intended for the delivery of spare parts of the Energia-Buran system to the cosmodrome and is hardly suitable for dropping cargo. This time. Second - Mriya is only one. And Ruslanov is a bunch. These are two. Yes, and it must be assumed that the dumping of 100 tons is significantly different from the dumping of 200 tons. And the meaning of carrying 100 tons to Mriya somehow disappears.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          +2
          6 September 2013 10: 57
          The most important thing is that ours, after finalizing with a file (modernization) and changing the name of Ruslana, will be done in the Russian Federation, and try to put Mriya in production again. Yes, and she is not Ukrainian, and once she was not.
    3. +2
      6 September 2013 10: 39
      Mriya in a single copy and it has been actively flying for 25 years.
      If you make a system with plans for a long operation,
      mass production of carrier aircraft is needed.
      Although Mriya will certainly be cooler.
    4. +6
      6 September 2013 11: 05
      The missile is supposed to be inside the aircraft, not outside.
      Mriya doesn’t have a stern ramp, she has a bow port. Besides, there are only two of them, one of them flies.
    5. +2
      7 September 2013 03: 25
      For the scheme that is proposed, Mriya will not work. She has no back ramp. But the fact that the figure is serious. It’s a pity, Lozino-Lozinsky did not survive. That was his idea.
  5. +1
    6 September 2013 09: 30
    Very good news! And unexpected. God grant that everything works out as intended.
  6. +1
    6 September 2013 09: 35
    Everything is complicated somehow. So unreliable.
    Maybe it’s easier to drop a missile from an airship over the Pacific in the region of the equator?
    1. sashka
      -5
      6 September 2013 10: 00
      Quote: shurup
      Maybe it’s easier to drop a missile from an airship over the Pacific in the region of the equator?

      It's easier, as Rogozin suggests, to build a base on the Moon and throw it wherever you want. I don’t have any money and there’s a new "project." Just "we cannot make an airplane, they don’t want to take off missiles, there’s a pipe with the Navy. "stars" .. which are awarded ..
      1. +2
        6 September 2013 10: 09
        Yes good yelling, drunk or something? fool
        1. sashka
          +1
          6 September 2013 10: 46
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          Yes good yelling, drunk or something?

          If I personally did it .. Then what does "squeal" have to do with it. I just know .. And you? .. With your own hands, at least one detail the size of an apartment was set with an accuracy of a mullometer .. So there's nothing to be clever ..
      2. sashka
        0
        7 September 2013 12: 14
        Quote: Sasha
        missiles do not want to take off

        Himself a fool .. As I looked into the water ..))) This is about the new launches of new missiles ..
    2. +1
      6 September 2013 10: 10
      I agree, somehow it’s difficult with a missile landing.
      Moreover, something I doubt that the rocket will fly out of the plane with its nose against movement. It turns out that the rocket after the reset, flies forward with the engines and when they turn on, the rocket slows down (and at that time it also falls), then zero speed (still falling), a turn, speed gain ... brrr ....
      It is much more profitable to drop it with your nose on the move, there will be no extra 700 km / h, and turning its noses up is much easier.
      1. +1
        6 September 2013 15: 26
        Quote: Wedmak
        It turns out that the rocket after the reset, flies forward with the engines and when they turn on, the rocket slows down (and at that time it also falls), then zero speed (still falling), a turn, speed gain ... brrr ....

        So I looked at the application scheme, somehow complicated.
        Quote: Wedmak
        It is much more profitable to drop it with your nose on the move, there will be no extra 700 km / h, and turning its noses up is much easier.

        The main thing is that when gaining speed and altitude it does not "knock out" its carrier wassat
        PS: maybe that's why they dump it forward with the engine?
      2. Alex 241
        0
        6 September 2013 20: 57
        ......................
    3. 0
      6 September 2013 10: 29
      Maybe it’s easier to drop a missile from an airship over the Pacific in the region of the equator?

      By the way, also a good idea. Hanging under the airship 100 tons is easy. The main size!
  7. sashka
    -2
    6 September 2013 09: 42
    The sea launch was successfully failed and sold .. And what is not immediately underwater with the transition to the air .. "Mriya" is only one .. The second build will take ten years.
    1. +3
      6 September 2013 10: 14
      Sea Launch successfully failed and sold.

      Nothing failed there.
      On February 1 of 2013, 35 launches were made, including 31 successful, 1 partially successful and 3 unsuccessful.

      In general, they could re-equip one of the Sharks for this business. 20 mines, well, let half be removed for control systems and personnel, 10 launches at a time !!!! Yes, here you can take dozens of tourists into space!
      1. +1
        6 September 2013 10: 17
        Quote: Wedmak
        10 starts at a time !!!!

        "Cheaper by the Dozen" (C) laughing
        By the way, an interesting idea!
        1. -4
          6 September 2013 10: 43
          Old as a mammoth shit, and long successfully implemented lol
          1. +1
            6 September 2013 11: 01
            and long successfully implemented

            Where, by whom, when?
            Yes, satellites launched from the BDRM. But these are single starts. Yes, and then one at a time.
            And then there is a specific opportunity to get TWO floating launch platforms !! With the ability to launch from anywhere in the oceans, including the Arctic dozen rockets with payload. And as we all know, with an increase in the number of launches, their cost will decrease.
        2. sashka
          -2
          6 September 2013 12: 22
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          "Cheaper by the Dozen" (C) laughing
          By the way, an interesting idea!

          Explain this to tourists .. Fill the crowd of people even at startup .. Then there are simply no words .. Of course you can blame on faulty Chinese microcircuits. But this is not an argument ..
          1. +1
            6 September 2013 12: 44
            Explain this to tourists .. Fill the crowd of people at the start ..

            Why suddenly fill up? I joked about tourists, it’s clear that a person is unlikely to survive a mortar launch (although he can withstand it, he’s not quite sure), but satellites, packages from the ground, parts of the ISS will easily and easily be thrown into orbit.
    2. +3
      6 September 2013 12: 08
      Quote: Sasha
      Sea Launch successfully failed and sold ..

      Who was sold to?
      Almost all rights passed to Russia. Not very active but still works.

      But it is more profitable to start from an airplane. More precisely, such a large "bazooka" with wings is desirable here.
      1. sashka
        0
        6 September 2013 12: 28
        Turning a LLC into a CJSC, etc. This does not mean that this stupidity belongs to us .. What we wanted and got ..
      2. sashka
        0
        6 September 2013 18: 47
        Quote: Genry
        More precisely, such a large "bazooka" with wings is desirable here.

        Build .. I have no more questions ..
  8. sashka
    +2
    6 September 2013 09: 52
    Put a bold minus. Chatterboxes, let the aircraft be built first. Which is not made in the USSR.
    1. 0
      6 September 2013 10: 06
      What did not please Ruslan?
      It seems that it is planned to carry out transportation and launch not from an external suspension ...
      Or is there not enough knowledge about why Mriya was created and why such a strange shape of the "Tail"?
      1. sashka
        +2
        6 September 2013 10: 20
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        Or is there not enough knowledge about why Mriya was created and why such a strange shape of the "Tail"?

        I’ve built it myself in Tashkent .. I believe that I know what I'm talking about .. My thing is the mechanization of the back of the wing .. Carbon fiber panels, spoilers, flaps and other things .. I can’t stand amateurs ..
        1. -3
          6 September 2013 10: 45
          Quote: Sasha
          He built in Tashkent.

          Unemployed chtole? sad
          1. sashka
            +2
            6 September 2013 10: 48
            Quote: zzaharr
            Quote: Sasha
            He built in Tashkent.

            Unemployed chtole? sad

            Now yes .. No one in FIG needs anything ..
            1. 0
              11 July 2020 13: 00
              Tell me, is there a space systems club somewhere? I would enter. I would like to do something, otherwise I fantasize, figure it out, put it into my mind ... Now there is a virtual wind tunnel, somewhere. Somewhere far from me
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  9. 0
    6 September 2013 09: 54
    An air start at work is good. and what happened to the MAKS (Multipurpose Aerospace System) project, can anyone say? http://buran.ru/htm/maxmain.htm
  10. Vlad_Mir
    0
    6 September 2013 10: 09
    The idea is good! Question one! Is it real and will not a lot of money be wasted in vain ?!
    1. sashka
      +1
      6 September 2013 10: 33
      Quote: Vlad_Mir
      Is it real and will not a lot of money be wasted in vain ?!

      Apparently a rhetorical question .. First, someone needs to be taught what and how to do .. Where are the shots? Otherwise, just the construction of the Tower of Babel ..
  11. 0
    6 September 2013 10: 40
    The launch spectacle will be enchanting, interestingly, they will show?)
  12. +1
    6 September 2013 10: 44
    Then, for the An-124-100 Ruslan, it is imperative to develop a pilot ejection system, otherwise it could be like during the crash of M.I. Nedelin on Baikonur in 1960 (see http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0% 9A% D0% B0% D1% 82% D0% B0% D1% 81% D1% 82% D1% 80% D0% BE% D1
    %84%D0%B0_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B5_(1
    960)
    But in general, an airplane is good, and an unmanned airship is better.
  13. -1
    6 September 2013 11: 21
    Good! In wartime conditions, such aircraft are easily transformed into strategic bombers.
  14. sashka
    +4
    6 September 2013 11: 53
    Restrained, held on, did not respond to insults .. Guys, you go beyond all the boundaries of insanity .. Are you trying to keep up with the two-headed "presidents"? you will get away .. Bravo !! so and rushing .. IL-76 is also my job .. Since 14 years. from 1977 goda.What are you proud of?
    1. smprofi
      +3
      6 September 2013 12: 16
      Quote: Sasha
      You guys cross all boundaries insanely

      do not worry.
      and don’t take anything bad in the head.
    2. Kir
      +1
      6 September 2013 15: 02
      So how do you respect and bow low, and with regards to the fact that you pointed out that an engineer is better than a lawyer, forgive fans and admirers, but our president is a lawyer !, but a normal engineer, especially from technically complex industries, is not just a cut above, but simply much higher in knowledge and the intellect of all humanitarians, so put up with the representatives of the humanitarian department !!! And if you also passed the school from an engineer to a more or less significant figure - the head of the shop or higher, then the humanities in general were not close at all, perhaps only isolated examples of the type of Joseph Vissarionovich stand out from the general heap, but then "piece" personality !!!
  15. 0
    6 September 2013 12: 07
    hmm ... what prevents the Spiral system from being reanimated and developed further? she somehow looked more fortunate and reliable
  16. 0
    6 September 2013 12: 10
    The project is certainly very good. The main thing is that the launch can be carried out from anywhere in the world and for any orbits. I am sure that this is the future of astronautics. But do not forget about the dual-use capabilities of such projects, as it was with the MiG-31D. Why not think about similar tasks using strategic bombers such as Tu_160.
    1. 0
      6 September 2013 12: 48
      Why not think about similar tasks using strategic bombers such as Tu_160.

      Where do you attach the 160 missile to the Tu-100? And he won’t raise that much.
      1. 0
        6 September 2013 20: 37
        Why necessarily 100t. For example, on the MiG-31D, only a 5-ton rocket was hooked and a payload of up to 300 kg was successfully put into low Earth orbit.
        1. 0
          7 September 2013 23: 20
          Where does the information come from, and what is the MiG-31D? At the end of the 80s, on the creation of a modification of the MiG-31 for work on targets in orbit (anti-satellite, ed. "07"), but as far as I know (and I found it) the work was not completed. As for the 5-ton rocket itself with a 300 kg payload, it turns out some fantastic weight return. And where should I hang it on / under the MiG-31?
          1. Alex 241
            0
            7 September 2013 23: 22
            The MiG-31D board No. 072 on tests (http://www.airwar.ru). 79M6 rocket (left) and the MiG-31D carrier board No. 072 blue at the Sary-Shagan training ground. Probably, the photo was taken in 2003 during a visit to the Sary-Shagan training ground by the President of Kazakhstan N. Nazarbayev (http://www.airwar.ru).
            Anti-satellite aircraft missile system / anti-satellite aircraft-based system. The complex was developed by NPKB "Almaz" to destroy low-orbit satellites. The chief designer of the complex is A.A. Lemansky. Ground-based means of target detection and guidance of the aviation complex were located at object No. 2574 / site No. 74 of the Sary-Shagan polygon. Development of ground-based facilities of the complex - NPKB "Almaz", installation was carried out by NPO "Kaskad". The creation of an anti-satellite system was probably started by the decision of the military-industrial complex under the USSR Council of Ministers on January 6, 1983. The decree of the CPSU Central Committee and the USSR Council of Ministers on the creation of the complex was issued on November 27, 1984.

            In accordance with the Decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the USSR Council of Ministers No. 1124-361 of November 29.11.1983, 1984, starting in 30, in the interests of creating the 6PXNUMX anti-satellite system, a prototype of the Azov missile defense system worked at the Sary-Shagan training ground.

            The composition of the anti-satellite system:
            - radar-optical complex for recognition of space objects 45Ж6 "Krona" (location - object 2574 of the Sary-Shagan test site, developer - Central Design Bureau "Almaz");
            - command transfer system 46I6;
            - anti-satellite aviation complex 30P6 "Contact" consisting of:
            - MiG-31D carrier aircraft (developer - MiG Design Bureau);
            - rocket 79M6 "Contact" with a kinetic interceptor satellite (developed by MKB "Fakel").
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            2. Alex 241
              +1
              7 September 2013 23: 31
              The rebirth of the MiG-31: deputies “for”, military “against”
              1. +1
                8 September 2013 00: 26
                Something is alarming in the words of the Air Force Commander. Oh, disingenuous! People like S. Savitskaya cannot hang noodles here. MiG-31, you see, is "obsolete"! This is despite the fact that it is in considerable quantity and still has no analogues. And the T-50 is still a "chicken in the nest". Su-35 - generally from a different opera. And the passage of rel. 50 billion rubles That is, either spend them on the resumption of production of something that has already proven its effectiveness, or start up the development of something with an as yet unclear prospect. And so, what would it be to produce and develop in parallel now is not destiny?
                1. Alex 241
                  0
                  8 September 2013 00: 31
                  Scam, damn it, a scam! I don’t like this: develop new things!
                  1. +2
                    8 September 2013 02: 33
                    "Give me a rollback!" this is.
                    1. Alex 241
                      0
                      8 September 2013 02: 38
                      There’s nothing to add!
                      1. +1
                        8 September 2013 02: 46
                        Moreover, the developer of all the new is known.
                      2. Alex 241
                        +1
                        8 September 2013 02: 57
                        I can guess with one letter in any syllable!
            3. +1
              7 September 2013 23: 59
              If my memory serves me, then this copy, which is in the photo, I had the opportunity to observe back in 88-89. in Zhukovsky at the Mikoyan base of the LII. They were just two flight copies "07-1" and "07-2". Index 31D was not applied to them then. Then flight tests continued at Balkhash. In Zhukovsky, the indicated rocket apparently did not "shine". But again, the system is anti-satellite! Those. throw b.h. to the altitude of the orbit is one thing, but to put 300 kg of payload into orbit, here, it seems to me, you will not get by with 5 tons. By the way, from the anti-satellite system: "- missile 79M6" Contact "with a kinetic interceptor satellite (developed by MKB" Fakel ")." In fact, it is a blank.
              1. Alex 241
                0
                8 September 2013 00: 07
                Lesha is not up to date honestly, they drove us to the 31st in 1987, and that’s a pre-production sample. I only finished school in 89.
              2. 0
                8 September 2013 08: 26
                I myself read the documents of the Design Bureau on this project, it was never realized only because both MiG-31D were running out of the assigned resource. And the military didn’t need problems with the commercial launches of satellites. But all the same, they managed to blow it with a model of a rocket in a wind tunnel.
                1. +1
                  8 September 2013 14: 59
                  The main reason for the closure of the topic is that it stood in the courtyard in 1991. By the way, then Buran passed away safely.
  17. ed65b
    +1
    6 September 2013 12: 17
    I propose that the first launch be carried out immediately over the Mediterranean Sea towards Israel.
  18. +3
    6 September 2013 12: 24
    This whole dual-use system. The second appointment is a new type (previously prohibited by the agreement with the amers) of strategic deterrence weapons.

    The idea is simple. An aircraft with an ICBM flies in the zone of its own air defense. He is practically invulnerable to destruction by the enemy. The mines are vulnerable, the Topol is vulnerable and well tracked from space, but this one is not. It is invulnerable to a preemptive strike and practically does not lend itself to destruction by enemy aircraft, as it circles in the air under the cover of its air defense.

    In 2006 Amers successfully tested the discharge of the weight model of ICBMs from an airplane. and ... the development of such weapons began. Amers also have an air launch project. In the Mojave desert, they have a long take-off and a prototype aircraft for raising ICBMs. They did not modernize any aircraft, but construct it from scratch, and have already created a huge monster
    1. 0
      6 September 2013 12: 49
      They did not modernize any aircraft, but construct it from scratch, and have already created a huge monster

      Show me the photo please.
      1. 0
        6 September 2013 21: 02
        I’ve read a little bit, but it’s about airborne

        http://www.popmech.ru/article/8922-strategicheskoe-oruzhie-buduschego/

        Fotu prototype not found. Also read about him in the popular mechanics a year ago. He saw in it a prototype with assurances of exclusively civilian use for air launch. Found magazine cover

    2. sashka
      0
      6 September 2013 18: 06
      Quote: LetterKsi
      The idea is simple. An aircraft with an ICBM flies in the zone of its own air defense. He is practically invulnerable to destruction by the enemy. The mines are vulnerable, the Topol is vulnerable and well tracked from space, but this one is not. It is invulnerable to a preemptive strike and practically does not lend itself to destruction by enemy aircraft, as it circles in the air under the cover of its air defense.

      Oh my god .. What the hell..May shout out the glory of Min obrazu ..
    3. 0
      6 September 2013 21: 40
      Quote: LetterKsi
      The idea is simple. A plane with ICBMs flies in its own air defense zone. It is virtually invulnerable to destruction by the enemy
      Isn’t it possible for an ordinary strategist? It is equipped with a refueling system
      1. 0
        6 September 2013 22: 51
        There are probably their own technological features, carrying capacity, fuselage design, center of gravity, stiffeners, equipment and all that distinguishes from a strategist
  19. smprofi
    +4
    6 September 2013 12: 24
    hmm ... why is this the first photo of "Ruslan" with the identification marks of the 224th flight unit of the Moscow region? with the marks of the Voronezh "Flight" was not found or what? so we have them:

















    PS however ... 224 flight now also comers: JSC "224 flight detachment" with all the equipment from the military ranks to civilian ranks
    An-124 Ruslan - 5 pcs.
    An-124-100 Ruslan - 1 pc.
    IL-76MD - 25 pcs.
    1. sashka
      +2
      6 September 2013 18: 32
      Good pictures .. It's nice to look at my work .. Thank you .. My cars are from 3 to 12 .. The coolest thing is that I didn’t see them in my eyes .. I just made wings ..)))
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  21. +4
    6 September 2013 14: 09
    How much can billions be allocated to raise the Soviet archives? When will the development of the Russian Federation.
    By the way, "Mriya" is not Ukrainian, but Soviet development, as well as tanks and aircraft.
    Why does the outskirts use the Soviet heritage, and the Russian Federation should ask the outskirts for permission?
    1. sashka
      +2
      6 September 2013 18: 14
      Quote: Vasya
      When will the development of the Russian Federation.

      When the vocational school will be restored. Then at least it will be possible to talk about something. And if the shopping centers built on the site of the Aviation Plants are demolished, I will vote with two hands, for two-headed "presidents" .. There was money for the demolition. No money to build .. It remains to shout Glory !! Indispensable ..)))) Strange Russian Language. Sometimes it even gets scary ..
  22. 0
    6 September 2013 17: 29
    Vasya - "Why does the outskirts use the Soviet heritage?"
    Not the outskirts, but the front line after the successful self-torpedoing of the Warsaw Pact with the classic scrolling and inheritance in western taverns and casinos.
    Why in Cuba there is still no spaceport, but there is Guantanamo.
    Or is it more correct to say "In Cuba"?
    1. sashka
      0
      6 September 2013 18: 09
      Quote: shurup
      Or is it more correct to say "In Cuba"?

      On the outskirts. or in Ukraine, we also can’t decide in any way ..
  23. 0
    6 September 2013 18: 40
    The idea is good, there is no need for spaceports, just have a network of high-quality airfields in different latitudes and launch, but ... such a start is quite difficult, but here, sorry, rockets fall from a ground launch, which has been worked out for decades. And what will happen to the fall of missiles from an air launch, if there will again be confused with "connecting components"? The ground launch has a lot of prelaunch tests and then ...
    And then the whole cycle is in the air and if it fails, then how to land the plane back with such a load and tens of tons of rocket fuel?
  24. +1
    6 September 2013 20: 08
    The idea is good. good

    And from the comments continuous disappointment. sad
  25. +3
    6 September 2013 23: 06
    In the Soviet Union, in order to study the principles of creating reusable space systems, the orbital aircraft MiG-105.11, Bor, was developed under the Spiral program. It was launched from a strategic bomber - accelerator. After piloting, he landed on a prepared site. Instead of a chassis, he had special skis. I haven’t been in space. The program was curtailed. It is currently an exhibit at the Air Force Museum in Monino, Moscow Region.
  26. Current 72
    +6
    7 September 2013 02: 09
    I’m not an expert in this field, but, as a simple layman, I’ll say this: what’s being done in Russia, and let’s do it for Russia, the main thing is that it would be useful. It’s not a pity for money, we will tolerate it and whoever steals that money, cut hands. Maybe then Russia will become a great state. I’m Belarusian, but I’m Russian because I was born in the USSR. I wish success to the Russians in this great work, space exploration. Sorry, I didn’t write comfortably, but from the heart !!!
  27. vadimuch
    0
    18 September 2013 15: 03
    What is being done makes no sense either from the military or from the scientific point of view. The launch of small satellites from the equator is the only sensible proposal, and even then for science in terms of cost reduction.
    Competitors have given up developing such toys for a long time and are on the path of reusable hard starts. We could get ahead but they told us to march and all that they could have ditched for a long time. Even the last accident was surrounded by such a stinky bunch of lies that it seems they were afraid themselves. And all just to organize a new corporation. The system is simple-space FSUEs and the whole tale. A corporation is just some kind of happiness! Whoever doubts arise, read the charter of Sukhoi everything will be immediately clear. The consequences will be the same, protomodels in the air and drank dings.
    And hard starts are tomorrow to which the states will come to the twentieth year and fuck us.
    1. Current 72
      +1
      18 September 2013 15: 55
      I would advise you to be more optimistic, and do not get hung up on all the BAD that is happening in Russia. And pay more attention to what is done GOOD in modern Russia. With this appeal, I appeal not only to YOU, but also to everyone RUSSIANS. Sincerely.
  28. 0
    27 January 2014 19: 54
    I hope that promising developments on the topics indicated in the article are underway in our country. Comments on it show not only the interest of readers, but also, often, their complete misunderstanding of the problems that arise when using the “air launch”. In the narrow sense of the word, there is not enough specialized knowledge and knowledge, and it is not so important a humanist or an engineer.
    I would like to share my thoughts on such an “air launch”.
    1. The fact is that launching an air-to-air missile and launching a rocket weighing 102 tons and 30 meters long filled with liquid rocket fuel are not the same thing. Oxygen used as an oxidizing agent is liquid and evaporates in preparation for launch. Therefore, the carrier aircraft must be provided with a tank pressurization system. Without going into design features, I will say that this is an additional mass, and in addition, the mass of an automatic control and monitoring system with or without an additional crew member.
    2. The missile release system indicated in the article (launch container, powder pressure accumulator, etc., etc.) is completely unsuitable, because. will lead to a violation of the longitudinal stability of the aircraft, the appearance of shock loads and the destruction of the fuselage.
    3. The crew is simply "tortured" to create the most comfortable initial flight conditions ("slide" with access to a parabolic trajectory, the desired pitch-up angle, etc., etc.).
    4. Mounting a satellite in the air is not just fantasy, but stupidity. The author of the article wrote about this, because. I have never seen how it is actually done. Who will install? How many of these "assemblers" do you need?
    5. There is such a thing - pre-launch preparation of a rocket, and on the ground a whole range of equipment, the so-called. testing and launching equipment. It is necessary in order to check the serviceability of all ground systems before installing the rocket in the launch system, the rocket itself before it is refueled, in the process of refueling and preparing for launch (before pressing the start button). If malfunctions or abnormal situations are detected, the launch can be postponed until they are eliminated. Where is such equipment on the carrier aircraft, who will track the pre-launch preparation (it is not necessary to “hang” this on the crew).
    "Air start", in the understanding of the author of the article, today is more exotic than fantasy. There is still an economic aspect to this problem, but let others talk about it.
  29. 0
    30 October 2014 13: 05
    And I wonder if you can launch an ICBM like this?
  30. +3
    3 June 2017 18: 12
    4 years have passed and no result
    as in all Russian cosmonautics