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In Japan, launched the largest warship since the war

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On August 6, 2013, on the anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, the largest Japanese warship since the Second World War was presented in Yokohama to the general public fleet. We are talking about the "destroyer-helicopter carrier" type 22DDH, the tail number of the ship DDH-183. This rather lengthy and local classification is hiding a full-fledged helicopter carrier, which in its size and all its appearance resembles a small aircraft carrier at all. The total displacement of the ship is 27 thousand tons, and the length is 248 meters. The ship is due to enter the Japanese Self-Defense Forces in 2015 and is the first in a series. The second ship under this project will be laid in January 2014, it will enter the fleet in 2017.


The ship got its name from the ancient Japanese province, as well as in honor of the cruiser during the Russian-Japanese war. In fact, both in design and displacement, this is a large modern helicopter carrier, which can be turned into a light aircraft carrier in just a few months with minor modifications. To do this, the ship has a flat flight deck across the entire hull with a length of almost 250 meters, and the command superstructure is shifted to the starboard side of the ship.

According to its characteristics, the new Japanese helicopter carrier can be compared with the French Mistral project, the helicopter carriers of this project will soon have to become part of the Russian fleet. It is assumed that they will appear just in the Pacific Fleet. The Japanese Izumo is almost fifty meters longer than the French Mistral and has a large total displacement (27 thousand tons versus 21 thousand tons), while it carries significantly fewer helicopters on its board (only 14 versus 35 on the helicopter carrier of the French project).

In Japan, launched the largest warship since the war

It should be noted that Izumo is already the 3-th helicopter carrier as part of the Japanese Navy. At the same time, launching a new ship of this class did not come as a surprise to the neighbors of Japan, as some media outlets say. Regarding the publication of budgets for the construction of ships, Japan is a fairly open country. Also here are published the main characteristics of all newly laid courts. In press, in particular, it was reported that in May 2006 of the year the first of them was laid - 16DDH. Already in August 2007, the ship was launched and received the name "Hyuga", in April 2009, he officially joined the fleet.

Even then, experts noted the discrepancy in the marking of the “Hyuga” class and its actual appearance. In terms of its displacement, the "Huga" destroyer "was in 3 times more than the usual destroyers. He had a solid deck from bow to stern and superstructure displaced to the starboard, just like all aircraft carriers. Therefore, the “Hyuga” was immediately considered by many experts as a universal landing craft, and some even as a light aircraft carrier. The flight deck was almost 200 meters long and the total displacement of thousands tons in 18 was in favor of such assumptions. The helicopter carrier could take on board 11 helicopters for various purposes. In this case, the task of landing troops from the board of the "Hyuga" had already been worked out at the exercises, including with the involvement of American marines. The second ship of the same type from Hyug was laid in Japan in May 2008, it was launched in March 2011 of the year and received the name Ise.

The new Izumo helicopter carrier is able to ensure the simultaneous take-off and landing of 5 helicopters, it can carry up to 14 rotary-winged aircraft for various purposes. "Izumo" can be used as a supply ship, in particular to carry out refueling of other combat ships operating together. The equipment installed on it allows it to be used as a floating headquarters during rescue operations both abroad and in Japan itself. On board the ship has its own hospital, designed to receive 35 patients.


The aircraft group of the ship may consist of various helicopters 14, its typical composition - 7 anti-submarine helicopters and 2 search and rescue. In the foreseeable future, the basis for the mission of the ship should be the fight against submarines probable enemy. At the same time, it also has the capacity to transport troops. On board it can accommodate up to 400 paratroopers, as well as up to 50 trucks weighing tons in 3,5. There are, of course, quite limited opportunities for landing troops on board the Izumo, but here it is worth recalling the recent joint Japanese-American exercises, during which the V-22 helicopter landed onto the deck of the Izumo predecessor, the helicopter carrier of the Hyuga type. Osprey.

Practically in all articles and notes about the new Japanese ship, the possibility of using the F-35B Lightning 2 vertical take-off and landing aircraft from its deck is discussed. Japan ordered the land modification of this newest American fighter with the usual takeoff and landing as early as December 2011. Despite the fact that the length of the Izumo flight deck allows you to use the F-35B even without installing a springboard, the ship would still need substantial reworking - probably strengthening elevators of aircraft lifts, covering the deck with heat-resistant materials, installing systems for landing automation. At the same time, these problems are not technically insurmountable, so the question of the return of helicopter carriers to the Japanese navy lies primarily in the area of ​​politics.

The reaction of neighbors

The ship’s dimensions and appearance made it possible for many experts to say that a full-fledged aircraft carrier is being created under the guise of an anti-submarine helicopter carrier in Japan, which in the future can accommodate fifth-generation fighter jets - the American F-35 with a vertical take-off and landing system. At the same time, the Japanese Self-Defense Forces have so far claimed that they are not going to retool the ship. Moreover, the possession of its own aircraft carriers is not allowed by the pacifist constitution of post-war Japan.


Japanese naval sailors are planning to use the new ship not only to protect their borders, but also to conduct large-scale rescue operations in the event of a repetition of natural disasters, like the earthquake in the Tohoku region in 2011. At the same time, it is precisely the launching of the Izumo, in the form of a new argument on the issue of borders, that is particularly acute in the relations between Japan and China. Currently, these two states are contesting the right to Senkaku Islands (Diaoyu). In fact, the response to the launch of a new Japanese helicopter carrier was the appearance in the area of ​​disputed islands of ships from the marine police of the PRC.

Currently, Japan already possesses a navy, which experts recognize as one of the best in technical equipment and in training personnel among the fleets of all countries in the region. At the same time, Japan did not have the strength and means to carry out full landing operations. This deficiency can be partially eliminated by the introduction of new “squadron-destroyer-helicopter carriers” into the fleet. However, the operation of landing operations is currently “hindered” by the Constitution of Japan, which restricts the activities of the Japanese armed forces only to defensive functions, and this in turn does not allow the rising sun to build aircraft carriers. For the same reason, many believe that Japan is building aircraft carriers under the guise of helicopter carriers.

The ruling circles of Japan officially declare that the country does not carry plans for the use of Izumo for offensive purposes. Despite this, according to reports by Japanese correspondents, neighboring countries, in particular South Korea and China, reacted very negatively to news about the launching of another helicopter carrier in Japan. This is evidenced by the publication of correspondents of the newspaper "Asahi" from Seoul and Beijing. In particular, they talk about the harsh negative reaction of the media of these two countries to the growth of the combat power of the Japanese fleet. In these states, this is regarded as a "turn on the militaristic course of development."


A correspondent for the Japanese newspaper Asahi in Beijing writes that Chinese journalists take pictures from the launching ceremony of the new helicopter carrier into the front pages of newspapers and call the Izumo "actually an aircraft carrier." A Japanese correspondent quoted a Chinese expert who said on the central state channel that the Izumo helicopter carrier could act as a standard aircraft carrier after only two months of modernization. In the Chinese newspapers, the correspondent reports, it is said that the “offensive capabilities of the Izumo will be significantly higher after the F-35B vertical take-off and landing fighters are placed on its deck.

Information sources:
-http: //nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2013-08-30/1_avianoscy.html
-http: //newsradio.com.ua/rus/2013_08_07/JAponija-obespokoila-Kitaj-odnoklassnikom-Mistralja-VIDEO
-http: //thewaran.livejournal.com/27211.html
-http: //supercoolpics.com
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  1. Veles25
    Veles25 4 September 2013 07: 57 New
    14
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    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 4 September 2013 16: 16 New
      +7
      The Kuril Islands have nothing to do with it. China rises (which demands the Japanese islands of Senkaku, to which it has no rights) and Japan follows the principle of "an unarmed pacifist will be a slave" and prepares to fight back.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 4 September 2013 18: 09 New
        -2
        Quote: Kibalchish
        which requires the Japanese islands of Senkaku, to which he has no rights

        Why doesn’t it?
        Quote: Kibalchish
        The Kuril Islands have nothing to do with it. China rises

        The Kuril Islands, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the Chukchi Sea, the East Siberian Sea and the surrounding land look more attractive than the Senkak islands.
        Quote: Kibalchish
        "an unarmed pacifist will be a slave" and prepares to fight back.

        And how much in their history did the "pacifists" fight back their enemies on their islands?
        Adhering to these successful defensive operations, the surrounding countries are arming themselves.
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 4 September 2013 18: 25 New
          +5
          Quote: Papakiko
          Quote: Kibalchish
          which requires the Japanese islands of Senkaku, to which he has no rights

          Why doesn’t it?
          Quote: Kibalchish
          The Kuril Islands have nothing to do with it. China rises

          The Kuril Islands, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the Chukchi Sea, the East Siberian Sea and the surrounding land look more attractive than the Senkak islands.
          Quote: Kibalchish
          "an unarmed pacifist will be a slave" and prepares to fight back.

          And how much in their history did the "pacifists" fight back their enemies on their islands?
          Adhering to these successful defensive operations, the surrounding countries are arming themselves.

          They repulsed more than once and it was on their islands.
          Why is China not entitled? Yes, because it does not have everything. Historically, this territory has never belonged to him.
          As did not belong to the Paracel Islands, which he captured from Vietnam, taking advantage of the civil war in this country.
          How not to belong to the Spratly Islands, which are owned by Vietnam and the Philippines, and which China has mittered. I always wondered how many Chinese patriots came from on a seemingly Russian patriotic website. You our guys tortured by the Chinese at Damansky at night do not dream ??? Or do you get paid in RMB? Personally, I do not feel any sympathy for the state, which has claims to ALL neighbors and has more than once arranged armed provocations. Including against our homeland.

          The principle here is simple, if the gopnik declared that your wallet belongs to him, this does not mean that the wallet is actually his. He is yours and all.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 4 September 2013 18: 44 New
            -1
            Quote: Kibalchish
            The principle here is simple, if the gopnik declared that your wallet belongs to him, this does not mean that the wallet is actually his. He is yours and all.

            With dzhaponchami zhzhzh situation vokurat in your proposed way.
            Our smokers go "finger" suck moon-faced "friend".
            Quote: Kibalchish
            Spratly owned by Vietnam and the Philippines and on which China

            Yes, you look "expert" in territorial disputes. belay
            Quote: Kibalchish
            Or you get paid in RMB

            You either overfilled the jam or devoured the cookies. sad
            Quote: Kibalchish
            I always wondered how many Chinese patriots came from on a seemingly Russian patriotic website.

            And the number of Jewish "patriots" surprises me much more.
            And at the expense of China: you apparently live in your parallel universe and don’t see that more evil comes from "sworn friends" with a democratic constitution of states rather than from yesterday's Papuans.
            Or Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan in the Stone Age the Chinese "pack"?
            Endless applause.
            1. Kibalchish
              Kibalchish 4 September 2013 19: 43 New
              +3
              Quote: Papakiko
              Quote: Kibalchish
              The principle here is simple, if the gopnik declared that your wallet belongs to him, this does not mean that the wallet is actually his. He is yours and all.

              With dzhaponchami zhzhzh situation vokurat in your proposed way.
              Our smokers go "finger" suck moon-faced "friend".
              Quote: Kibalchish
              Spratly owned by Vietnam and the Philippines and on which China

              Yes, you look "expert" in territorial disputes. belay
              Quote: Kibalchish
              Or you get paid in RMB

              You either overfilled the jam or devoured the cookies. sad
              Quote: Kibalchish
              I always wondered how many Chinese patriots came from on a seemingly Russian patriotic website.

              And the number of Jewish "patriots" surprises me much more.
              And at the expense of China: you apparently live in your parallel universe and don’t see that more evil comes from "sworn friends" with a democratic constitution of states rather than from yesterday's Papuans.
              Or Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan in the Stone Age the Chinese "pack"?
              Endless applause.

              Expert, I seem to be bigger than yours. In any case, you are not able to refute me. Iraq, Afghanistan and others, what side did you drag here?

              Here's another fresh example of a "peace-loving" China. Already with regard to the Philippines

              China accuses Philippines of reef occupation

              http://old.nr2.ru/thai/441438.html

              It’s your fault that I want to eat ...

              Here is the terrible aggressor of the Philippines - by force they took the reef from little weak China. And so is China with all neighbors. Only unlike the former USSR, they are ready to stand to death for the shreds of their territory. There is something to learn, right?
              1. alex86
                alex86 4 September 2013 21: 30 New
                +3
                Quote: Kibalchish
                "peace-loving" China

                I completely agree that there are people who consider China "a friend forever", while China, measuring its history for millennia, will quite calmly accept both the "corpse of the enemy passing by" and the loss of such an amount of population, which is different from the armies of Russia and the United States together do not, but it is simply not in our countries - that he is 440 million - only the load on the soil will decrease. And he (China) is right at our borders, and not overseas, as for the States. And the United States will hand over us to China, of course, they do not want China to receive our resources, but they will not harness for us. And the Chinese will simply begin to enter us in columns, even without weapons - and we will not do anything, there are no military resources, and there is no readiness to respond in a big way - the same.
    2. alone
      alone 4 September 2013 23: 12 New
      +2
      what I don’t know how to understand this

      the Japanese themselves built a helicopter carrier for their fleet. For Russia, such ships are built by paddlers. A completely reasonable question arises: why is Russian shipbuilding bad from Japanese? Could these ships be made by ourselves? what
    3. Civil
      Civil 4 September 2013 23: 35 New
      0
      Knowing the cunning of japons, this is actually in the presence of the fe-35 light strike aircraft carrier!
  2. Nayhas
    Nayhas 4 September 2013 08: 34 New
    12
    Well, having such a neighbor as China, which at one time Japan had allowed a lot of blood, it is worth thinking about changing the constitution, which is now contemplated ...
    PS: Should we expect the appearance of "destroyers" Akagi, Soryu, Kaga or Hiryu?
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 4 September 2013 08: 41 New
      +3
      Arm yourself and arm yourself again if you don't want to be democratized
      and get a black mark in the form of a bloody regime - all small countries (who want to be independent) looking at all this go this way.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 4 September 2013 09: 30 New
      -2
      Sense from them, if only helicopters? VTOL F-35 will not be soon, and LTH is far from sugar, the ILCs are already openly discussing, but do we need this, and even for that kind of money? Can we upgrade the good old Harrievs and so on until the age of the UAV?
      1. avt
        avt 4 September 2013 09: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: donavi49
        Sense from them, if only helicopters?

        It looks like a full-fledged aircraft carrying them amers do not give, as well as their own combat aircraft. It turned out something like the old "Iwo Jima" that the amers had before "Tarawa". Well, according to publications, and then who knows.
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 4 September 2013 14: 07 New
          +9
          Quote: avt
          It seems that amers do not give them a full-fledged aircraft-carrying ship

          Aircraft carriers, as well as other ships of rank I, are prohibited to the Japanese by the terms of surrender. So they are perverted as they can with such "destroyers" ...
          But they don’t lose their skills, and give them free rein (and most likely the Japanese themselves will take it over time) they will build a full-fledged aircraft carrier ...
          1. avt
            avt 4 September 2013 16: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Chicot 1
            But they don’t lose their skills, and give them free rein (and most likely the Japanese themselves will take it over time) they will build a full-fledged aircraft carrier ...

            Yes, already, bowing politely, they abandoned the Apache and made their first attack helicopter, they blinded the transporter and the PLO patrol aircraft. But with the airplane it was not possible to break out of the "brotherly embrace", as a result the F-16 was redesigned, and their development quieted down.
      2. Strong
        Strong 4 September 2013 17: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        the ILCs are already openly discussing whether we need it


        And in the course of the discussions, they conduct tests at the UDC, retrofit the first combat training squadron of airplanes with airplanes, postpone the initial operational readiness from 2016 to 2015.

        Strange guys.
  3. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 4 September 2013 08: 44 New
    +7
    It is clear that the Japs will not go fishing on it! Most likely, it was created precisely as an aircraft carrier as opposed to the Chinese program for the construction of aircraft carriers. Moreover, there is an island over which China and Japan are "butting". In this dispute, aircraft carriers are a powerful argument!
  4. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 4 September 2013 08: 47 New
    +3
    "Bastions" and S-400 in the Kuril Islands.
  5. krpmlws
    krpmlws 4 September 2013 09: 03 New
    +2
    It would be nice to order four rescue destroyers in Japan. They will be built quickly and efficiently. And then on the destroyers we will install the S-500 (launch fireworks exclusively) and seventy Mig-29K rescue aircraft.
    1. Rus86
      Rus86 4 September 2013 09: 39 New
      +1
      and all this is for help only. whom the Supreme will tell someone))
  6. click80
    click80 4 September 2013 09: 54 New
    +5
    If I am not mistaken, Japan has the right to create only defensive weapons for the self-defense forces, and the aircraft carrier is closer to the offensive
    Chapter II of the Japanese Constitution, which is called "Refusal of war", contains only one article 9:
    Sincerely striving for international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever reject war as the sovereign right of the nation, as well as the threat or use of armed force as a means of resolving international disputes. To achieve the goal indicated in the previous paragraph, land, sea and air forces, as well as other means of war, will never be created in the future. The right to a state of war is not recognized.
    (c) Wikipedia
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 4 September 2013 10: 16 New
      +6
      You are not mistaken. BUT:
      "The Japanese parliament proposes to revise Article 9 of the national constitution and thereby eliminate the country's peaceful constitution, which prohibits the use of military force as a solution to international disputes."
      This is how ...
  7. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 11: 14 New
    +6
    The Japanese very clearly formulated why they needed such a ship.
    "and according to official statements, the ship will be primarily intended for rescue and search operations, as well as for patrolling territorial waters and protecting Japanese sovereignty." No demagogy about "power projection" and "protection against piracy".
    Well done, the Japanese, they have a reason, there is a geopolitical problem (an island state), they made a decision. It's good that they themselves, and if not themselves, then there is a full reason for the Defense Ministry for a real answer to their deputies why they bought it. It is extremely hard to believe in Japanese assurances about 9 helicopters on a ship of this size. Especially considering that the Japanese navy has great and kind traditions in this area. Judge for yourself: an anti-submarine helicopter carrier ... with a total displacement of 27000 tons. ... capable of carrying up to 14 helicopters of the Sikosrky SH-60 type (permanent air group, nominally 7 + 2, i.e. 9), despite the fact that the old Soviet anti-submarine cruisers of project 1123 ("Moscow", "Leningrad"), which two times less (total displacement 15000 tons), 14 Ka-25s were nominally carried, and all kinds of weapons (and in the dimensions of an ancient element base) But even if this is just a base of anti-submarine helicopters, it is still a useful thing for patrolling in the places of our deployment or Chinese strategic missile carriers. Yours faithfully! hi
  8. Tartary
    Tartary 4 September 2013 13: 05 New
    0
    There are more than 200 million Japanese and moods in the youth environment, not at all pacifist ...
    We’ll wait for the new militarists with the old order in the closest territorial location, but without a good location to the neighbors ...
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 4 September 2013 15: 07 New
      +3
      And where did you count over 200 million? 127 million. And tell me where did you get that the mood among the youth is militaristic?
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 4 September 2013 16: 44 New
        +1
        Apparently, he is referring to the Japanese TV series Shingeki no Kyojin, which was discussed by the serious media in Korea and Taiwan as "the revival of militarism."
  9. Ka-52
    Ka-52 4 September 2013 13: 12 New
    +6
    I will simply quote from the article:

    Moreover, the possession of their own aircraft carriers is not allowed by the pacifist constitution of post-war Japan.

    The United States is the guarantor of this constitution, and they are likely to say YES in the conditions of the economic crisis.
    many believe that Japan is building aircraft carriers under the guise of helicopter carriers.

    I think so too!
    The Izumo helicopter carrier can act as a standard aircraft carrier after only two months of modernization.

    Quite possible...
    Izumo’s offensive capabilities will be significantly higher after placing F-35B vertical take-off and landing fighters on its deck.

    As soon as the deck version of the F-35 is finalized.

    In my opinion, the conclusions are obvious.
    We strengthen the Kuril Islands! bully
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 4 September 2013 14: 11 New
      +3
      We strengthen the Kuril Islands!

      It is high time! But now, apart from chatter and empty promises, assurances in this direction, nothing concrete is being done ...
    2. Tu-214R
      Tu-214R 4 September 2013 19: 10 New
      +1
      What are the Kuril Islands !? Olympics on the nose, then some sort of World Cup, Europe, summit. And God forbid bilan still Eurovision will win.
  10. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 4 September 2013 15: 09 New
    +2
    It's time to put bastions on the Kuril Islands.
  11. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 4 September 2013 15: 13 New
    +1
    Here are the Chinese will throw Perun! yes
  12. teleset
    teleset 4 September 2013 15: 24 New
    +1
    This is due to the fact that Japan's state debt to GDP is more than 200% of the largest debtor in the world to GDP. And then they manage to find denyushi. And we have that debt to GDP is a little more than 10% and we can’t find money for aircraft carriers. And when we begin to build them ourselves what
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 4 September 2013 16: 57 New
      +1
      With our thieves, no money is enough.
  13. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 4 September 2013 15: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    It's time to put bastions on the Kuril Islands.

    If you believe the words of the Civil Code of the Navy, Comrade Chirkov, that will be so. Just believe his words, I would beware, otherwise it will be painfully painful and embarrassing. Let me explain what I mean: in order to deploy something somewhere, it is necessary to form something, deploy it, create a support infrastructure and simply equip it. This is a very large amount of work to be done by competent people. Are there many left? On our glorious Grandfathers - captains of the 1st rank and retired colonels - you will not go far.
    A "new swoon" - in my order of the Ministry of Defense for dismissal and exclusion, changes have been made for the 9th month !!!
    1. ICT
      ICT 4 September 2013 17: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Kavtorang
      to create a support infrastructure and to equip elementary. This is a very large amount of work to be done by competent people.
      here it’s a good idea, otherwise I won’t understand why we need these mobile missile systems in the Caspian Sea, and even in such numbers. Always at hand, in sight, the supply is again nearby, and as they say it is warm and dry
  14. fero
    fero 4 September 2013 19: 05 New
    +1
    Beautiful ship, and built smartly good
  15. Dronza
    Dronza 4 September 2013 19: 58 New
    0
    When will we begin to build ships the size and class of more than a corvette ...
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 4 September 2013 20: 00 New
      0
      We are building, but alas, for 10 years. It’s sad.
  16. alex86
    alex86 4 September 2013 21: 42 New
    0
    For me, the obvious conclusion is that the Yak-141 was abandoned in vain, such (and simpler) ships in the absence of normal aircraft carriers could serve as some alternative (rather, a palliative, of course). 27 thousand tons - with 200 m of the flight deck - this is in my amateurish opinion, quite 40 VTOL aircraft - yes, not Nimitz, but to cover the patrol areas of SSBNs or the coast, but just to gain time is quite good.
  17. Dimy4
    Dimy4 4 September 2013 21: 54 New
    0
    To a large ship - a large rocket. On board!
  18. GVARDEETS
    GVARDEETS 4 September 2013 21: 55 New
    0
    DO NOT remember whether "Izumo" was in the Japanese squadron at Tsushima?
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 22: 04 New
      0
      Dear Alexander was:
      The cruiser Izumo was handed over to the Japanese fleet on September 25, 1900.
      During the Russo-Japanese War, was the flagship of Vice Admiral Kamimura Hikonojo.
      August 1 (14), 1904 - Participated in the battle in the Korea Strait with the Vladivostok detachment of cruisers, received 20 hits (2 people killed, 17 wounded).
      May 26, 1905 - Participated in the Tsushima battle. Got 12 hits, of which 9 were heavy and medium shells (3 killed and 27 wounded).
      He participated in the First World War, the Japanese intervention in Russia, the Sino-Japanese War and the Second World War on December 8, 1941 in Shanghai, forced the surrender of the American gunboat Wake and sank the English gunboat Peterel and was sunk on July 28, 1945 by American aircraft when flying in Kure: turned over from the explosions of three bombs near the side.
      The cruiser "Izumo" in 1902

      Yours! hi
  19. No Name
    No Name 4 September 2013 22: 05 New
    0
    Quote: alex86
    Yak-141 abandoned in vain

    I agree. Nice machine. It was ... :( And if you take into account the amount of money and time spent on it - the project had to be finished in any case to the end and run in a series.
    And then the cruiser pr.1143 would be preserved, perhaps.
    It is a pity that then everyone was cool ...
    1. alex86
      alex86 4 September 2013 22: 55 New
      0
      Which is significant, in my opinion: VTOL aircraft can be placed on any container ship (I understand that everything is not so simple, but still ...), plus ground based on any (again I understand that it’s prepared) site, plus basing secrecy - of course , minus - TTX, but we have our own niche, but we do not occupy it ...
    2. patsantre
      patsantre 4 September 2013 22: 59 New
      0
      What is the use of a neutered carrier with neutered aircraft? It’s better to build a normal AB, with normal, much more powerful, efficient and numerous fighters, AWACS and so on. Let it come out more expensive than 3 times, but the efficiency is higher than 5 times. Think about it yourself, compare the number air groups, keep in mind that the same MiG-29K has MUCH higher performance characteristics than the Yak-141, consider AWACS planes, which is VERY important ... and get the result.
      1. alex86
        alex86 5 September 2013 07: 47 New
        0
        So there are no objections, it is just that half measures are always easier to implement in our country, therefore, the question is not yet "full-fledged or castrated", but "none or at least some" (to be objective to the end, it is not worth it at all - unfortunately).
        And from a strategic point of view, the construction of a bridge to Sakhalin with a subsequent extension to Japan (moreover, not only railway, as Russian Railways plans, but also automobile), for which they are ready, will provide a much greater element of stability. And if not only and not so much troops are deployed on the Kurils, but production, this will also give a greater effect. And we all play "pistiki-daggers" like children, by God ...
  20. Agent 008
    Agent 008 8 September 2013 23: 39 New
    0
    Somehow it looks frivolous ... Here we have a boat three times smaller, "Fearless" is called, - from one name it makes you shiver!
  21. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 11 September 2013 16: 29 New
    0
    they want to defend the islands, they need to arm themselves, although for me they lost in the Second World War and should only agree as the defeated side. The maximum is joint mining. According to the Kuril Islands, I would have recalled to them what they did to people in Detachment 731, the executioners there got off very easily , and they’ve served everything. And this is not a joke. So since they lost, they owe what they are ready to give? I’m afraid of nothing, and our victims are worth a lot. Let them think.
  22. seregatim86
    seregatim86 31 March 2015 11: 54 New
    0
    However, the ships are then landing. Although a pair of three ground-based military airfields would help balance, and strengthen the military base on the disputed islands from the point of view of Japan, an atom and a new one