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Perspective Polish tank PL-01

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On September 2, the international defense industry exhibition MSPO 2013 kicked off in the Polish city of Kielce. However, one of the main novelties of this event was shown to the public the day before. The Polish consortium of defense enterprises, even before the opening of the exhibition, demonstrated its new development - tank PL-01.


The beginning of the creation of a new project of armored vehicles was announced in mid-February of this year. As it was reported then, the enterprises OBRUM, Bumar and Huta Stalowa Wola will create a promising tank for the armed forces of Poland. A little later, in May, a cooperation agreement was signed with BAE Systems Corporation. Specific information about the project in February was extremely scarce. Polish industrialists only announced that the finished machine will have a combat weight of about 45-50 tons, the fighting compartment will be uninhabited, and the ammunition will be located in an isolated aft compartment. Then the first images were shown, created on the basis of opinions at that time regarding the appearance of a promising combat vehicle. The tank in the pictures partially resembled another Polish development, the Anders armored car, and, apparently, should have been a rethought and significantly revised version of it.






After the February presentation, the project of a promising Polish tank temporarily disappeared from sight and reappeared in the news only after its layout was built and shown at the exhibition. In general, the model brought to the MSPO 2013 showroom resembles what was shown in February this year. However, it also has a number of differences. Probably, the Polish tank builders took into account the peculiarities of certain decisions and changed some aspects of the appearance of a promising armored vehicle.

The project of the new Polish tank PL-01 is still far from practical application, but its main features have now been identified and, most likely, will not change. A cursory inspection of the layout presented at the exhibition suggests that the project actively used developments in the previous Polish tank Anders, which was once considered an advanced design that could dramatically improve the condition of Polish armored forces.

In general, the PL-01 repeats the overall layout of the Anders tank. The engine-transmission compartment (MTO) is located in front of the armored hull, and the rest of the volume is allocated for the accommodation of the crew and ammunition. In favor of the version of the front arrangement of the MTO, both the characteristic front part of the machine with the driver's hatch shifted back, and a certain hatch in the rear hull sheet. In the Anders project, the latter was intended either for loading ammunition (the project of a promising tank) or for landing a landing (in the BMP variant on the base of the tank). Judging by the available information on the placement of the entire crew inside the armored hull, this hatch can be used for landing the commander and the gunner.

On the characteristics of the reservation provided by the project PL-01, too early to say. The presented layout does not allow to judge about this parameter of the project, and official information was not disclosed. Probably, as on other modern tanks, the most powerful booking is supposed to be installed in the frontal part of the hull. A large angle of inclination of the upper frontal part can also improve the characteristics of frontal projection protection. On the sides of the layout shown are large screens of relatively large thickness. Judging by the size and appearance, these units carry multi-layer combined booking and are designed to increase the likelihood of a car surviving in the event of an attack by modern anti-tank weapons.

The hull and tower of PL-01 have a characteristic shape formed by several intersecting planes. The reasons for this technical solution are not entirely clear. Probably, the project took into account the possibility of reducing radar visibility. However, there is another version, according to which the unusual appearance of the tank is due to the purely aesthetic views of the authors of the project. One of the most controversial decisions within the original appearance was the gun cover. The characteristic quadrangular design of the chopped shape is significantly different from the solutions used in modern tanks. Including this fact can also serve as confirmation of the aesthetic version of the origin of a number of units.

The original casing covers, allegedly, 120-millimeter smooth-bore gun. For the front sheet of the casing goes only a small section of the barrel of the gun and the muzzle brake. The surfaces of the casing and the mask of the instrument, directly connected with each other, smoothly pass into the upper and lower sheets of the reservation of the tower. The tower itself is equipped with a developed aft niche. In it, probably, as in one of the variants of the Anders tank, it is planned to place the ammunition and part of the autoloader units. On the roof of the tower is a rotary remote-controlled turret with a rifle caliber machine gun and smoke grenade launchers. In addition, on the roof of the tower, near the sides, there are two units with some equipment, similar to video cameras or other similar equipment. As can be seen from the design of these devices, they can rotate around a vertical axis and swing in a vertical plane. Another unit with optical systems is located in front of the tower, next to the gun mask. The deployment of the crew inside the armored hull requires appropriate measures in relation to means of monitoring the environment. Probably for this very purpose, the PL-01 tank has a developed system of video and thermal imaging cameras.

For pointing the gun, most likely, the systems installed above the gun, as well as some devices to the right of it, are used. On the front of the tower, to the right of the gun, there is a small niche with two certain devices. To the left of the cannon, a large vertical slot is provided in the turret, apparently intended for a machine gun paired with a cannon.

It is known that the PL-01 tank will receive a promising foreign-made fire control system, an active defense system and a number of other important systems. There is every reason to believe that the creation of a complex of electronic equipment in the framework of the project of a promising Polish tank will be handled by the international corporation BAE Systems. Exact information about this collaboration and the role of the corporation in the project has not yet been announced.

The project PL-01 is still at the stage of early design work. In the near future, the Polish tank-building consortium will show only a mock-up at showrooms and exhibitions. Construction of the prototype will begin only after a few years. Trials are scheduled to begin no earlier than 2016. If all the works go according to the schedule, then in the 2018 year the deliveries of serial PL-01 to the customers will begin. In view of the early stages of the project, it is too early to say who will acquire the new Polish tanks. Most likely, the Polish Ministry of Defense will be their starting customer, after which you can wait for orders from third countries.

In the light of the information currently available, the project of a prospective Polish tank looks interesting, but at the same time ambiguous. The stated characteristics and conclusions that can be drawn from the appearance of the existing layout undoubtedly make PL-01 an interesting project. At the same time, the state of Polish tank building and the absence of any major successes in the past years cast doubts on meeting the deadlines or even the very possibility of successful completion of a new project. However, all such assumptions may be biased and do not reflect the actual state of Polish tank-building enterprises. Therefore, it is worthwhile to wait a little with the conclusions and wait until the Polish tank-building consortium and its foreign colleagues announce the completion of one or another phase of the project.


On the materials of the sites:
http://vestnik-rm.ru/
http://alternathistory.org.ua/
http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/
http://shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com/
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  1. andrey9031
    andrey9031 4 September 2013 07: 51
    13
    Not pulled, very expensive, especially from scratch
    1. mejik
      mejik 4 September 2013 11: 43
      17
      Quote: andrey9031
      Not pulled, very expensive, especially from scratch

      The mouse has never given birth to an elephant. Poles push to refute this wisdom laughing
      1. Login_Off
        Login_Off 5 September 2013 07: 19
        +1
        This someone ordered a design studio for a tank model for a new computer game.
        But it turned out expensive, so they decided to resell komunibul.
        There was an offer from the Ministry of Defense. They sold the tank.
        I think an offer from the cinema director will soon come, I think they will sell it to Asylum studios (take a look in Gul who does not know).
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 23 November 2013 20: 43
      0
      Quote: andrey9031
      Not pulled, very expensive, especially from scratch

      Make another T62 switchover? What's so complicated? Romanians did it.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 21 2014 20: 13
        0
        Perhaps this is what was intended? There is a possibility that the scammers from the tank building decided to cut the money. Of course, in the Polish defense budget with the Tugriks, it’s rather sad and you won’t be able to cut the dough here ... But BAE Systems is a serious company with no less serious capital. And some decided that a truly colossal budget of this consortium could be milked.
    3. polite people
      polite people April 4 2014 20: 24
      +1
      Let's see what he says against our "ARMATA"
  2. awg75
    awg75 4 September 2013 08: 10
    10
    I don’t even know what to call it ...... crap or something in a toy store. I think everyone understands that he has no perspective on the battlefield.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 4 September 2013 08: 56
      12
      This is not shit, this is Polish Pepelats laughing
      1. 123321
        123321 4 September 2013 15: 04
        +5
        It’s not even a pepelats, but Wunderwafee!
      2. pasha1713
        pasha1713 4 September 2013 23: 28
        +2
        Yeah, and the gravitapa on it "Cliff" reminds
    2. ALEX74
      ALEX74 4 September 2013 10: 05
      +8
      Why not? It should burn beautifully!
    3. Torang
      Torang 4 September 2013 14: 53
      +6
      Well, you don’t need to make a lot of mind out of plastic, you need a lot of imagination ... Turks (or rather their designers), won’t, 5th generation fighter jets made out of it (plastic). It looks nice, for exhibitions it’s the most ..
    4. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 4 September 2013 15: 05
      12
      But look at what fashionable rear brake lights laughing
      1. ildar335
        ildar335 30 September 2013 18: 13
        +1
        not only stopar, but also very cool headlights! laughing
    5. juneart
      juneart 4 September 2013 20: 44
      +2
      Yeah ... for sure))) Concept - some kind of wedge heel)))
    6. bif
      bif 5 September 2013 02: 21
      +2
      As I saw this miracle of judo, I immediately remembered Tank from the film Sergeant Bilko. Almost a copy, probably, and the designers are lonely. http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/18253/video/18075/
      1. Maksimiliano
        Maksimiliano 30 September 2013 07: 48
        +2
        Really drew from this movie laughing
    7. Basarev
      Basarev April 21 2014 20: 26
      0
      It’s interesting, but can the tower withstand such a heavy casing of the gun in general? Large volume means a large mass. If the casing was made to protect the gun from being hit, sometimes Panzerkampfvagen guns were shot from the CPV during the Great Patriotic War, after which the tank didn’t shoot very well. So - if seriously If this casing is made of real armor, it must be very massive. I don’t think that the gun’s mask can withstand such a weight.
      1. Susul
        Susul 13 June 2016 20: 02
        0
        Oh, what an old article ...
        But this casing has the meaning of protection from radio detection and hiding the IR trace of the gun after the shot
        In general, it turned out not a bad high-tech light tank with a good line-up, a small landing squad and light ceramic armor ...
        But here is the price of all this ...
        It would be nice if the Americans did such crap, they like to wash their loot with trucks, the US budget could have pulled such cars ... But it’s unlikely that the Polish budget will pull them
  3. King
    King 4 September 2013 08: 17
    14
    Poles have never been famous for tank building. advertising advertising but in fact it will turn out "g" I am sure of this, the only possible exporter can be the Baltic countries, which are not very distant in their worldview.
    1. ALEX74
      ALEX74 4 September 2013 10: 11
      +5
      In vain you offend the Baltic countries, they are very proud and independent. They even have several tanks, though there are no shells for them!
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 4 September 2013 20: 18
        +3
        Quote: ALEX74
        In vain you offend the Baltic countries, they are very proud and independent. They even have several tanks, though there are no shells for them!


        Yeah - they all have a whole tank army - as many as 3 (THREE) T-55 tanks!
    2. svp67
      svp67 4 September 2013 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: King
      Poles have never been famous for tank building.
      A very controversial statement ... To do this, you just need to know the history of Polish tank building.
      1. avt
        avt 4 September 2013 16: 47
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        A very controversial statement ... To do this, you just need to know the history of Polish tank building.

        From French Renault to Anglic Vickers and T-72? Although they seem to have received Renault entirely from the Franks. Well, the "Prospective Polish tank PL-01" is a used German "Leopard".
        1. Nova
          Nova 4 September 2013 20: 30
          +2
          Maybe under plastic hoods Swedish CV90.
        2. svp67
          svp67 4 September 2013 22: 20
          0
          Quote: avt
          From French Renault to Anglic Vickers and T-72? Although they seem to have received Renault entirely from the Franks. Well, the "Prospective Polish tank PL-01" is a used German "Leopard".
          And everywhere they make their own changes ... and how to support the thesis, on the account of "Leo .."
      2. mvg
        mvg 29 November 2013 02: 12
        0
        and so right now they themselves ordered another 200 16x2-4 and about 200x2-5 from the Germans
    3. juneart
      juneart 4 September 2013 20: 46
      +1
      The Balts share the only tank for everyone))) ... They give each other a ride on the "parades" (if they can be called that)))
  4. Syrzhn
    Syrzhn 4 September 2013 08: 23
    +5
    Well, the availability and power of modern anti-tank weapons is such that how much armor you don't put on a tank anyway, if they hit, they'll burn it. So there is a thought, to "score" on the armor (leave only the most elementary - against bullets and shrapnel), and throw the released power to quickly and imperceptibly dump, maybe even burrow underground.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 4 September 2013 08: 44
      13
      Quote: Syrzhn
      the availability and power of modern anti-tank weapons is such that how much armor a tank doesn’t hang anyway, if it gets, it’ll be burned.

      Well, affordable TCPs are not so powerful ...
      The loss of tanks in Chechnya, which is usually well-known to everyone, was due to a deviation from tactics - the science of winning, as well as a low level of preparation of tanks and crews for hostilities. (even DZ sometimes did not hang)
      The perfection of MBT is determined now, as many years ago, by the optimum combination of security, firepower and mobility, and not by fashionable forms.
      Such is the unity and struggle of contradictions ... wink
      And the Poles will not bring anything new here.
      In order to make not a life-size model with an "advanced exterior", but a really combat model, you need a school corresponding to the level of many industries. Finally, very serious costs.
      Poland is a developed state, but not an industrial superpower.
      And why does she need these costs and troubles?
      Compete with Krauss-Maffei Wegmann GmbH & Co KG?
      It can only work out some technology and drag it in its beak to NATO partners, nothing more.
      1. Syrzhn
        Syrzhn 4 September 2013 09: 21
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        affordable TCPs are not so powerful ...
        Tank losses in Chechnya ...

        I meant not only the confrontation between tank and infantry, but also tank and aviation, are modern MBTs protected from air-to-ground missiles? (I'm not in the know)
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 4 September 2013 12: 57
          +7
          Quote: Syrzhn
          meant not only the confrontation between the tank and infantry, but also the tank and aviation,

          Assessing such confrontations is a monkey.
          Modern battle is a combined arms battle. And only competently using all kinds of troops can one succeed. Absolute security is not present in any type of weapons and military equipment.
          In particular, even during World War II, it became completely clear that ground forces, including armored forces, could not carry out successful operations without air supremacy, but full support of aviation.
          And artillery and other combat, technical, rear support. That's right. request
          There are countless examples of this.
          And so, not only with tanks, but with all other weapons ..
          Imagine an air base without reliable cover, etc.
          After all, carriers of air-to-target missiles are targets themselves ...
    2. ALEX74
      ALEX74 4 September 2013 10: 12
      -2
      There is a point in this, but it won’t help in the mountains!
    3. svp67
      svp67 4 September 2013 16: 37
      +2
      Quote: Syrzhn
      Well, the accessibility and power of modern anti-tank weapons is such that how much armor you don’t put on a tank anyway, if you get it, you’ll burn it.
      A very biased opinion, inspired by advertising, not the fact that they will get in, and even if they get there, not the fact that they will break through ... "The war of the shield and the sword" does not stop for a minute ...
    4. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 4 September 2013 20: 22
      +2
      Quote: Syrzhn
      Well, the availability and power of modern anti-tank weapons is such that how much armor you don't put on a tank anyway, if they hit, they'll burn it. So there is a thought, to "score" on the armor (leave only the most elementary - against bullets and shrapnel), and throw the released power to quickly and imperceptibly dump, maybe even burrow underground.


      Combat experience shows that if the tank has a DZ and a competent crew, even 8 hits are not enough to destroy a combat vehicle (as one of the sources is an article on this site).

      PS: what you described is not a tank and the crew will live in such a "car" on the battlefield until the first mortar hit.
  5. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 4 September 2013 08: 28
    +5
    "Construction of the prototype will only begin in a few years. Testing is scheduled to begin no earlier than 2016." - Explain to me something stupid - if in a few years they are going to start ONLY the construction of a prototype - then how in 2 years with a tail they will experience SOMETHING ??? In general, so far this is just a beautiful model (something like this I collect at a scale of 1:72) ...
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 5 September 2013 11: 07
      0
      First you need to build a Polish Uralvagonzavod, with a design bureau, experience and capacities.
    2. Basarev
      Basarev April 21 2014 20: 48
      0
      Nobody will sell modern technology to the Poles. The Lords from Rheinmetall, Chrysler and the Uralvagonzavod are clearly not stupid to squander really valuable developments. Meanwhile, the Poles seem to have no other way - the Poles have no real tank building, but to create it - First of all, we need highly skilled engineers of various stripes. And this is, first of all, time is needed to educate a skilled engineer. And it’s not at all fun financial injections. Poland doesn’t and doesn’t portend any changes so PL-01 is a complete abstraction, comrades ...
  6. cooper
    cooper 4 September 2013 08: 34
    +4
    It should be noted that this is a concept. Technology will work out, and then it will be seen. Not the fact that the real product will be exactly the same.
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 September 2013 15: 52
      +2
      Quote: Cooper
      It should be noted that this is a concept. Technology will work out, and then it will be seen. Not the fact that the real product will be exactly the same.
      It will not be 100% like this - it is one thing to bend plastic, another to bend armor ... and in general it is a GENERAL view, which does not yet show an answer to a number of questions, like, how are they going to power the engine with air and where the exhaust gases will go, engine cooling, as it is envisaged to carry out maintenance work on MTO and its replacement. In general, I have the impression that we will see something similar, even very much, under the Armata brand. Someone will start screaming about "borrowing" ...
  7. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 4 September 2013 08: 51
    +8
    Funny tank ... Here you have the Israeli layout, and the best practices, and automation ...
    It just says something to me that the latest developments of Polish tank designers went into the industrial series in the 30s ... That is as far as what modern Polish design thought gave birth to efficiently, technologically, operationally, maintainably, etc. etc. But it immediately seems that without a ready industrial reserve, well-developed production and technological chains, the tank will turn out to be very expensive, even if the electronics, optics and engine are ready, I mean, from the side of more powerful partners (Germans or Americans and french french).
    And so, .. the design project is interesting. Wait and see.
    1. Yemelya
      Yemelya 4 September 2013 20: 38
      0
      Quote: Scary ensign
      Funny dance ... Here you have the Israeli layout


      the layout is just unempowered
  8. Nayhas
    Nayhas 4 September 2013 08: 57
    +1
    Well it certainly looks not bad. I wonder what determines the size and appearance of the barrel casing? Is the cooling system installed? If not, then why is there a hump on the upper edge? Honestly, the timing of the creation is somewhat confusing. As far as is known, the Poles use the German engine and transmission, i.e. half the story is ready. Chassis like without frills, most likely classic torsion bars. The gun is also more likely based on 120 mm. L / 44 Rheinmetall. Remains armor, SLA, automatic loader, KAZ will mess with them for three years?
  9. Igor39
    Igor39 4 September 2013 09: 00
    +2
    Well, the Poles need modern technology to conquer living space, I do not think that they have stopped dreaming of the Commonwealth laughing
    1. cooper
      cooper 4 September 2013 22: 31
      0
      Do you know how the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is translated? And in principle, what does this mean and mean for the peoples inhabiting it ???
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 13 October 2013 09: 42
        +1
        Let me suggest that Speech comes from the allegorical Polish word "rzeski" (Reichs) - imperial. And "postpol" Church Slavonic - joint or together, then the literal translation can be "United Empire". Since the "Speech Pozpolita" existed from the 15th to the 18th century, the retold idea of ​​the "Reicha" of German was a plagiarism of the Polish dream. Political Dictionary 1928, p. 588. Fascists of Poland - the union of all 16 fascist organizations, the most important of which are the "Livestock of Polish Patriots", "Polish League of Fascists", "Union of Former Ranks of the Army of Dovbor Musnicki", "Union of Former Soldiers of Haller's Army" ... The word "livestock" should be understood as military commanders, and the title "Head" was replaced by Fyodor Alexandrovich with a colonel.
  10. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 09: 43
    +5
    If we assume a non-manned turret and an automatic loader, then they can fit into a 120 mm caliber. It looks like the front MTO location, so I don't see the forehead protection corresponding to modern requirements, and I can't make it my opinion with the front MTO, or mega haemorrhoids with maintenance like on the merkabah. As an option, an electric transmission, but this is such a high-tech for BTT, I'm not sure what the Poles will pull. How will they hang DZ "tiles" on such "stealth" hull and turret outlines (and even with some holes on the rear side of the turret) ... Some optics sticking out - apparently a thermal imager - right on the frontal projection ... And it seems to me that this "concept" needs tests for shelling from an RPG-29 ... Although I think that here one hit from an ATGM is enough to smash this constructor into its original components. Then we can only say that the machine took place ... :-).
    Although I'm sure this tank will suffer the fate of the PT-94 "Gorilla".
    The Poles then decided to "cross" Soviet, Polish, as well as French, Israeli and even South African developments in their car. The weight of the car was to be between 50 and 55 tons. Outwardly, he was close to the most modern then western tank - the French "Leclerc", it was he, most likely, taken as an object to follow. For the tank, multilayer armor with ceramic filler was developed, but it was possible that the main armor would be reinforced with dynamic protection. The main armament was planned to be of Russian origin: a smooth-bore 125-mm gun (produced in Poland under license), which can also serve to launch a laser-guided ATGM, two machine guns: 12,7 and 7,62 mm. The engine power was supposed to be 1200 hp. And if the mass of the tank, in fact, were about 50 tons, then the power density would be quite acceptable. The tank could easily develop up to 70 km / h on the highway. But, if the weight increased to 55 tons, then 1200 "horses" would no longer be enough.

    http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-996.htm


    Moreover, the last tank of a more or less Polish design was a 7TP copy of the British "Vickers-6 tons" with a 37-mm Bofors gun, released before the war, and then under license T-34-85, T-54A / T- 55, T-72. The last serial Polish tank PT-91 Twardy is a copy of the licensed T-72M1 with an installed 12 hp PZL-Wola S-850U diesel engine, SKO-1M Drava SUO, a Polish-made thermal imager and ERAWA DZ. And now the Poles have switched to German "Leopard-2" ...
    The only Polish tank 7TP

    That's something like that with respect! hi
    1. Akim
      Akim 4 September 2013 10: 56
      +2
      The "Gorilla" could have been developed, like the RT-91/120, if it had not received free "Leopards" from the Germans.
      As DZ (which we do not share) non-energy, and even electric reactive armor + protection systems can be used. This is not an alternative to MBT. This is something like a tank destroyer or even a MOS. He has protection 4a according to STANAG 4569.
      1. Kars
        Kars 4 September 2013 11: 28
        +2
        An overly narrow caterpillar catches your eye, an almost exact replica of the Bradley caterpillars that does not fit with the estimated weight. The turret is small enough to accommodate a mechanized warhead with enough ammunition. Even the use of a muzzle brake vryatli will free up additional space
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 4 September 2013 21: 00
          +2
          Nonsense from the creators of "Star Wars". It looks like the filmmaker "poked" the Poles.
      2. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 11: 38
        0
        Greetings Akim, well, I don’t know, in my opinion the Poles are thus trying to preserve the remnants of their production of BTT, while purchasing another batch of 128 Leopard 2A5, to the 128 already existing Leopard-2, Finnish armored personnel carriers (KTO Wolverine), Ukrainian BRDM ("Dozor"). And the Poles do not have the traditions of their own tank building: Soviet tanks, joint Czechoslovak-Polish or Czechoslovakian armored personnel carriers (TOPAS). In this matter, Poland is much lower than, for example, Yugoslavia, or even Romania, which tried in the Ceausescu era to make its own version of the T-72-TR-125 with a semi-support chassis. The track has also changed. Has become more similar to those used on the T-64 and T-80 tanks. Frontal armor was significantly strengthened. As a result of all the innovations, the maximum tank weight increased to 50 tons. To keep the mobility at least at the level of the T-72, a 900-horsepower engine was installed on the new tank. As a result, the TR-125 developed more than 60 km / h on the highway. Armament: 125-mm cannon with a coaxial PKT machine gun. The optical rangefinder was replaced with a laser one. Reservations have become multi-layered. The only external difference is the installation of an outdated anti-aircraft heavy machine gun DShKM.
        Romanian tank TR-125


        Yours! hi
        1. Akim
          Akim 4 September 2013 11: 51
          +2
          But they have experience. The point of creating your own when you are not the leader of a military bloc?
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 12: 14
            +4
            Dear Akim, but that the Poles have their own: German "Leopard-2" and Soviet T-72; Soviet infantry fighting vehicles, Finnish and Czech-Polish armored personnel carriers (KTO Wolverine, OT-64, I don't know if TOPAS remained), modernized Soviet BRDMs and Ukrainian ("Dozor"), modernized BM-21 "Grad" (AWP-40 "Langusta" ") and S-125" Neva ", MANPADS" Igla "(" Thunder "). The entire shooter is modernized Soviet AK and PKM. The same goes for the flightless American F-16s and the MiG-29s assembled around the world (formerly German, Czech and supplied by the USSR, Poland) and Soviet Su-22s.
            At sea there is generally a vinaigrette: one "Kilo", 4 former Norwegian diesel-electric submarines "Cobben", 2 former American frigates "Oliver H. Perry", Soviet MRK project 1241, etc. etc. There are, of course, attempts to create something (Anders, this concept car), but everything does not go beyond the pilot projects. Yours faithfully! hi
            1. Akim
              Akim 4 September 2013 12: 34
              +2
              A question about the Ground Forces. And what do they produce themselves? Almost everything. They took the best and rivet it serially. As for the "Neva". They themselves have modernized it and are replacing it with "Frenchman".
              I can’t understand what you are trying to prove? What Polish weapons do not exist? One can argue with that. Let a lot of licenses, but they have a defense system. And if you want, you can create such a serial tank. In the meantime, the Poles are on the path of less resistance. And their specialists stuff their hand.
              http://dziennikzbrojny.pl/aktualnosci/lista/news,1,aktualnosci-z-polski
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 13: 06
                0
                Dear Akim, I am not trying to prove anything to you. Yes, the Poles go as they say by "trial and error", but what they do. I just want to say that the basis of Polish weapons is either a copy or a license, and this will continue indefinitely, and as for the Polish military-industrial complex, it is like life on Mars, "whether it exists or not." Although it cannot be said that the Poles do nothing! Yours faithfully! hi
                1. Akim
                  Akim 4 September 2013 13: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                  and as for the Polish military-industrial complex, it is like life on Mars "either it exists or not."

                  Well, in Russia they believe that there is no Ukrainian military-industrial complex. You are a reading person. Read, at least through a translator. Marvel Even the Magyars produce something.
                  The license is not a wholly-owned copy. Radars, optics, wheeled armored vehicles, cars, small arms. some types of ammunition, helicopters, drones, etc. they developed by themselves.
                  1. smiths xnumx
                    smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 13: 43
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                    To begin with, I don't think so. Ukraine has "Oplot", BTR-4 and BTR-3, for which there are export orders. Plus "Motor Sich". which supplies its engines to 70 percent of helicopters under construction in the Russian Federation. Unfortunately, the An-70 co-production program was covered with a copper basin.
                    Now, what about your words
                    Radars, optics, wheeled armored vehicles, cars, small arms. some types of ammunition, helicopters, drones, etc. they developed by themselves.

                    If about the Poles, then the only Polish helicopter PZL W-3 Sokół is not a purely Polish project:
                    The lack of large orders for the Mi-2 had a negative impact on the economic situation of the Svidnik plant. Therefore, the Poles proposed to develop and establish on their territory the serial production of another, more advanced machine. In 1970, after a detailed discussion of this issue, the USSR and Poland signed an agreement on joint activities for the construction of a new helicopter, which later received the names V-3, W-3 and Sokol. In early December 1971, an additional intergovernmental agreement was signed on technical cooperation in the field of creation and organization of production in Poland of new aircraft products.
                    Already in January 1972 a group of Polish specialists arrived in the Soviet Union. For half a year, it was possible to prepare an advance project, a plan project and a project of tactical and technical requirements (TTT) for a light multi-purpose helicopter W-3.
                    State tests took place from December 13, 1988 to May 31, 1989 on two machines, which had factory ╧╧ 30.02.01 and 30.02.03. A total of 126 flights were performed with a total flight time of 114 hours 50 minutes. The test results of the V-3 helicopters carried out jointly with the developers, LII, GosNII GA and GosNII "Aeronavigatsia" at the stage of factory tests, totaling 472 hours, were also taken into account.
                    Operational tests took place from October 28, 1988 to July 15, 1990 on the basis of the Kotlas OJSC of the Arkhangelsk UGA. Ten helicopters participated. The total flight time was 1528 hours 25 minutes.

                    http://www.airwar.ru/enc/uh/w3a.html
                    1. smiths xnumx
                      smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 13: 47
                      +1
                      Here is the Polish shooter developed by the Poles themselves:
                      Gun r-64

                      Gun r-83

                      Submachine gun RM-63

                      Submachine gun RM-84
                      1. smiths xnumx
                        smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 13: 57
                        +1
                        as you see, it’s not very thick. The rest of the rifle armaments of the Poles are copies of the AK (PMK, PMKM, PMK-DGN-60, with a barrel nozzle for firing rifle grenades, Kbk wz 88 Tantal, under NATO 5,56 cartridge.
                        The main machine gun of the Polish army Beryl

                        Sound familiar?
                        Machine guns:
                        UKM-2000P machine gun with attached box for 100 rounds and a sniper scope for NATO cartridge 7,62x51

                        Doesn’t look like anything again?
                        Well, now let's move on to wheeled armored vehicles:
                        Apart from the joint Polish-Czechoslovak OT-64, from the time of CMEA, LMEs are also produced
                        Dzik-2

                        Skorpion-3
                      2. smiths xnumx
                        smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 14: 11
                        +2
                        As for the cars, yes, they even put the Grad on their own wheelbase.
                        WR-40 Langusta

                        True, they seem to be going to adopt the 155-mm SG "Crab"

                        and there was a good project ZSU "Loara", an analogue of "Cheetah", but something did not grow together again.

                        About UAVs, optics, body armor, not in the subject. Yours faithfully! hi
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 4 September 2013 14: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                        Doesn’t look like anything again?

                        Honestly, I'm already out of balance. Point blank I do not understand what all this means?
                        Looking for actual Polish samples? Do you want to convince me that the Poles are foolish? It turns out the opposite.
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 4 September 2013 15: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Akim
                        Honestly, I'm already out of balance

                        drinks
                2. Akim
                  Akim 4 September 2013 14: 30
                  0
                  I won’t argue about a helicopter, although a Polish drone helicopter with a Polish rotary four-barreled 12,7x99 mm machine gun was presented at the exhibition that year.
                  As for small arms. All previously shown samples are replaced by pistols, assault rifles and machine guns of their own design. Exception: a single PKM machine gun for a caliber of 7,62x51 mm.
                  Naturally, the country is in a bloc (Warsaw after NATO) and adopts their standards and technologies What was not taken from the Allies and then for political reasons.
                  The Poles work both for themselves and for the foreign customer.
                  There is a UBS. (the truth is to buy used from the Swedes).
                  As for the BRDM, it will be changed to the "Beaver".
                  BWP-1 for the Marines will be replaced by "Hippo".
                  Artillery - a license of the British, Swedes, Czechs. Guided missiles and mines for them - a license of Ukrainians.
                  The question is - why create a new one if you need a small batch, but it will be difficult to get through for export? What money has nowhere to go?
                3. smiths xnumx
                  smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 14: 59
                  +4
                  Dear Akim, as long as the Polish army has what it has. In the distant future, they may replace the entire rifle that I indicated, but so far the Poles have limited themselves to just translating it to the NATO standard, as well as the NSV-12,7 "Utes", under caliber 50, which, in my opinion, is stupidity, American cartridge, 12,7x99 mm inferior to the Soviet 12,7x108 mm.
                  WKM-B-09

                  Moreover, the quality of Polish small arms was always on top, so the Polish Kalashnikov was about equal in quality to the Hungarian one, only slightly inferior to the Soviet and German Democratic Republics and superior to Romanian.
                  With regard to the UBS, the Poles in Soviet times released their UBS TS-11 Iskra and delivered it to India.

                  Although the project M-95 "Irida", as well as its shock modification - the single-seat attack aircraft M-99 "Orcan" ("Eagle") did not go into the series.

                  As for Poland’s transition to NATO standards and the purchase of Western weapons, then where to go Poles have never been friends of Russia.
                  Yours! hi
                4. Akim
                  Akim 4 September 2013 15: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                  In the long run, maybe they will replace all the rifle that I indicated, but so far the Poles have limited themselves to just translating it into NATO standard

                  By the way, Poland is a single country from the new NATO chicks, who transferred their caliber of CO immediately to the NATO standard. So distant prospects may not be so vague. The Czech Republic, for example, is already transferring its army to a new domestic rifle, and the Polish rifle was put to the test only that year. And this year, in Kiev at the exhibition, they will bring a sample under 5,45x39. They want to promote it to other markets.
                5. smiths xnumx
                  smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 15: 19
                  +1
                  Well, as they say, fair wind to the Poles ...
                  As I understand it, you mean the Czech assault rifle CZ 805 BREN

                  At the same time I want to ask you how a person who knows and is certainly in the subject after the failure with "Vepr"

                  where they plan to send Ukrainian Tavors "and AR-10. I heard that" Taovrom "was planned to arm and even began to equip the internal troops of Ukraine. Moreover, in October 2008, the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine said that the Ukrainian" Fort "and Israeli "IMI" will create a joint venture for the production of "TAR-21" of various modifications for use in Ukrainian paramilitary units. Today "TAR-21" and its modifications are produced by the Ukrainian "Fort" under its own name "Fort - 221". Some components are supplied by the Israeli "IMI." As far as we know, weapons produced by the Vinnitsa "Fort" were practically not purchased by the Ukrainian armed units. In addition to the "Fort-221" machine guns of the Israeli design, "Fort-401" light machine guns, "Fort-301" sniper rifles and Fort-224 submachine guns.

                  Yours! hi
                6. Akim
                  Akim 4 September 2013 15: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                  where do they plan to send Ukrainian Tavors "and AR-10.

                  They are made for export. I won't say anything about MZ-10 and 15 from Mayak, but Tavors are leaving for Israel. It's cheaper for them to make them in Ukraine.
                  In general, both assault rifles that year were shown and tested under the 5,45 caliber (like the Belgian and Israeli machine guns), but Ukraine has not approved a rearmament program and hell knows their fate. By the way, the Vepr program is not closed.
                7. smiths xnumx
                  smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 15: 38
                  +1
                  That is, like ours, at best, modifications of the AK-74. By the way, what about the "Vepr", it seems that the machine is old, worked out, I heard about it back in 2003. does not differ from its predecessors OTs-14 Groza (Russia), Valmet M82 (Finland), Type 86S (China) or Vector CR-21 (South Africa) and many other machines - none of them, by the way, has received significant distribution , and performed with minimal effort. At the same time, do not clarify about Ukrainian pistols, the same firm "Fort" 12, 14, 15, 17, and also about Shevchenko PSh. It seems that "Fort-12" is in the Ukraine in the police.
                  Fort 12, partial disassembly

                  Fort 14

                  Fort 15

                  Yours! hi
                8. Akim
                  Akim 4 September 2013 15: 55
                  0
                  Fort-12 at the cops, and Fort-14 at their special forces and "Alpha"
                  The Vepr program is not closed, and that machine has died. Now this is an alteration of the CO samples available in the warehouses. This spring, the paratroopers were to receive an experimental batch. But nothing is heard about this
                9. smiths xnumx
                  smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 16: 01
                  0
                  At the same time I want to ask you about the Ukrainian corvette.

                  There is a lot of information about its construction, but all of it is extremely contradictory. It seems that commissioning is expected in 2016. According to UNIAN
                  According to the program for creating corvette class ships, ChSZ must build 2026 of them by 10. The first - until the end of 2012, the second - in 2014, the third and fourth, respectively, in 2016 and 2017. Thus, by 2017, it was planned to replenish the composition of the Ukrainian Navy with four new corvettes.

                  http://economics.unian.net/rus/news/49136-kreyser-ukraina-stanet-ubiytsey-ukrain
                  skih-korvetov.html

                  Yours! hi
                10. Akim
                  Akim 4 September 2013 16: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                  It seems that commissioning is expected in 2016.

                  So far, it is planned, but there it will be. Now their analogs of electronics and weapons are being developed. The first two missile boats of the Lan project are to be laid down at the end of next year.
                11. smiths xnumx
                  smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 16: 20
                  0
                  That is, its own radar, air defense systems, anti-ship missiles, carrier-based helicopter, etc. .. And this corvette is replacing any Ukrainian ship or is planned as the flagship of the Naval Forces. Yours faithfully! hi
                12. Akim
                  Akim 4 September 2013 16: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                  That is their own radar

                  Radar, optoelectronic stations, sonar, radio intelligence systems, etc. originally had their own. As for weapons, there is the development of anti-ship missiles, torpedoes, air defense systems of a short-range vertical launch, ZAK. and a helicopter.
                  But this is a separate issue.
                13. smiths xnumx
                  smiths xnumx 4 September 2013 16: 44
                  0
                  Well, God would have done it, I just found an article on militaritarianism, though from August 27, 2012, that is, a year ago on this subject:
                  http://www.militaryparitet.com/perevodnie/data/ic_perevodnie/3401/



                  and there seemed to be funding problems:
                  “The construction of the corvette under the presidential program of Ukrainian corvettes is on schedule. All funds allocated were disbursed. And there were problems, some with the financing of this project, but now all issues have been resolved. Funding is on schedule, and in a few years you will see a new, modern corvette. This ship will go into service with the Ukrainian Navy. ”

                  http://vpk.name/news/91480_nesmotrya_na_problemyi_s_finansirovaniem_stroitelstvo
                  _ukrainskogo_korveta_vladimir_velikii_v_etom_godu_prodolzhaetsya_v_sootvetstvii_
                  s_grafikom.html
                  . But by the way, thanks a lot for the informative conversation. I apologize for some inconvenience
                  Honestly, I'm already out of balance.
                  However, you are extremely pleased with this Kars. Yours faithfully! hi
                14. Akim
                  Akim 4 September 2013 21: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                  and there seemed to be funding problems:

                  Official sources claim that there is no problem with money.
                  The projected amount of financing for the construction of the corvette in 2013 is 175 million UAH, of which budget financing is 100 million UAH. It is planned to attract 75 million UAH under state guarantees. In 2014, the projected amount of financing for these purposes will add up to 457 million UAH, of which budget financing - 100 million UAH. It is planned to attract 357 million UAH under state guarantees.

                  http://www.use.ua/index/view/lang/ua/id/1519
                  True, there are no new photos either. There are various other sources more shallow .. Either the projects of the Radar enterprise for a new missile defense system (based on the R-73), then with the creation of control units for the ship, the creation of BIUS, anti-aircraft artillery systems, the design of a 70-mm automatic cannon. It is not yet clear with the RCC whether they will succeed or not. But the Swedes passed on some circuits that they could integrate into the firing control unit and the RBS 15 Mk3.
                  Information is collected in pieces. Then they made some kind of gearbox, then new helicopter landing equipment.
                  Sagaidachny will remain the flagship, but it will be modernized, in particular, by installing anti-ship missiles.
                  In the future (this is a distant prospect) a new frigate will be laid.
  • svp67
    svp67 4 September 2013 15: 56
    +1
    Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
    If we assume an uninhabited tower and an automatic loader, then they can fit into a caliber of 120 mm.

    Good afternoon. But here it is clearly visible, from the shape of the tower, that it, at least initially, is planned to be INhabited. Otherwise, its shape and arrangement of aiming devices would have been different. The gun also raises questions. MULTI BRAKE, what is he here for? Shorten the overall barrel length? Does not look like. So they are planning to use the "INCREASED POWER" cannon, from where will they take it?
    1. Yemelya
      Yemelya 4 September 2013 20: 48
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      MULTI BRAKE, what is he here for? Shorten the overall barrel length? Does not look like. So they are planning to use the "INCREASED POWER" cannon, from where will they take it?


      Maybe it's easier. PL-01 is an analogue of the Swedish CV-90-120, or the American XM-8, etc., i.e. BMP-based tank - hence the layout and the muzzle brake, because BMP-shnaya base can not stand the return of a tank gun without a muzzle brake.
      1. loft79
        loft79 4 September 2013 23: 33
        +1
        More like "Marder Medium MBT" in my opinion
        http://topwar.ru/23984-sredniy-tank-iz-bmp-neodnoznachnaya-modernizaciya-mashiny
        -marder.html
        1. loft79
          loft79 4 September 2013 23: 35
          0
          Very similar. Only Polish is more futuristic).
  • Yemelya
    Yemelya 4 September 2013 20: 41
    0
    Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
    The only Polish tank 7TP


    He is Polish as much as the T-34-85, T-55 and T-72M.
  • tambourine 2012
    tambourine 2012 4 September 2013 09: 59
    +1
    Well, the generation of seen Star Wars has grown, they have something to design, it remains to make a death star laughing
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 September 2013 17: 05
      0
      Quote: Tambourine 2012
      Well, the generation of seen Star Wars has grown, they have something to design, it remains to make a death star
      everything is LEGAL, first he reads "The Hyperboloid of Engineer Garin", and then we invent - a laser ...
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 4 September 2013 10: 01
    +1
    smooth barrel with a muzzle brake? those. shooters with a detachable pallet to shoot neither?
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 September 2013 17: 31
      +1
      Quote: Tuzik
      shoot neither?

      "Well right now"
      ob187 - gun
      Quote: Tuzik
      smooth barrel with muzzle brake

      Quote: Tuzik
      those. subcaliber with detachable pallet
      shoots like a conventional tank gun only more accurately
    2. Yemelya
      Yemelya 4 September 2013 20: 52
      +1
      Quote: Tuzik
      smooth barrel with a muzzle brake? those. shooters with a detachable pallet to shoot neither?


      In literature published before the mid-1990s, it was written that it was impossible, then, as you can see, the problem was solved.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 4 September 2013 10: 17
    +1
    Not a hat for Senka. The domestic school of modern tank building is completely absent.
  • abuyanovus
    abuyanovus 4 September 2013 10: 28
    +3
    Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
    Although I think there is only one hit from the ATGM enough to blow this constructor to its original components. Then you can only say, the machine took place ... :-).

    Absolutely agree. The Poles, as usual, made a beautiful wrapper :). I wouldn't be surprised that all these "stealth" lines are just decorative plastic. Sharpened under the style of "Leopard 2A7 +", the marketing decision of the "pshek" won even expediency. And it looks beautiful fellow even aesthetically pleasing.
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 11: 18
    +4
    Beautiful, fashionable, youth ... (c)
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 September 2013 12: 39
    +3
    There are bad tanks, there are very bad tanks, and there are Polish tanks ...
  • iSpoiler
    iSpoiler 4 September 2013 13: 01
    0
    it reminds me of a shaft on m3 titanium in tanks online.)) tankionline.com
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 4 September 2013 14: 19
    +6
    Enough to offend the Poles, otherwise they will make a 6th generation plane !!! wassat
  • Watchman
    Watchman 4 September 2013 14: 25
    +1
    Some kind of star wars.
  • MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 4 September 2013 15: 16
    +4
    The main thing now is that he would not have been shown to Bondarchuk.
    1. Akim
      Akim 4 September 2013 15: 21
      +3
      Quote: Milafon
      The main thing now is that he would not have been shown to Bondarchuk.

      Late. WITH Battlefield 2142
      1. Kars
        Kars 4 September 2013 15: 26
        +4
        And this is worse? And it appeared on the network earlier.
        1. ASShur
          ASShur 25 January 2014 23: 08
          0
          It's just that Dimka Rogozin stole more, so so far it was enough only for a cardboard model. And they steal less from the Poles, which means there was enough for a full-scale prototype. By the way, our Dimon himself, according to a number of very reliable sources from his closest circle of acquaintances, collects (but all through dummies, esessno) other "models" - Italian antique cars.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev April 21 2014 21: 08
            0
            They say that in certain circles they call him only Dimon Banana.
  • slaventi
    slaventi 4 September 2013 15: 28
    +4
    Fedya Bondarchuk probably sold the details of the Inhabited Island to the Poles.
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius 4 September 2013 16: 41
    +3
    Only two questions about this very gravitsapu - and how the hell? Greater Poland’s ambitions at the local gentry will be sworn in one place. laughing
    However, there is another version, according to which the unusual appearance of the tank is due to the purely aesthetic views of the authors of the project. One of the most controversial decisions within the framework of the original appearance was the casing of the gun. The characteristic quadrangular design of the chopped form differs significantly from the solutions used on modern tanks. Including this fact can also serve as confirmation of the aesthetic version of the origin of a number of units.

    I can recommend using decals, garlands, stickers, caps on wheels, chrome moldings - it also improves the aesthetics of the gravitapa. laughing
  • Forest
    Forest 4 September 2013 16: 46
    +1
    In any case - Hollywood, this layout will buy with pleasure))).
    1. Dovmont
      Dovmont 4 September 2013 21: 41
      +1
      we would need to squeeze one copy for the tank museum in Cuban too !!
      1. Forest
        Forest 5 September 2013 08: 09
        +1
        So more than one layout will not be produced)))
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 4 September 2013 18: 59
    +3
    The impression is that he has cast rollers, xenon headlights, music, full power accessories under the side screens. How can you go to battle in such a glamorous tank? Can you scratch him. Does anyone imagine this thing on the battlefield? I'm not.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 4 September 2013 19: 17
    +1
    On the 2nd, I followed the advertising link from this site to an article about this tank. It was said there that these forms involve the use of stealth technology in tank building. Because he has such a form and appearance.
    I wonder if it will be like in a joke or something:
    - Why hippo such and such?
    - So I could hide in the flowerbed.
    - I did not see something hippo in the flowerbed.
    “So he hid well!”
    And this device seems to be hiding from aviation, no?
  • k1964
    k1964 4 September 2013 20: 01
    +3
    for some reason, it reminded me of candy, from nestle. a lot of advertisements, inside they also promise a coconut. and in the end, chocolate from margarine, and coconut from a test tube. seemingly beautiful car, but only for "Star Wars"
  • South
    South 4 September 2013 20: 03
    -1
    Well done Poles, and our all from T72 are trying to squeeze something
  • Uhe
    Uhe 4 September 2013 20: 36
    0
    Drive on asphalt? In our shit he gets stuck, like Abrams associates.

    No, only Russians and Germans can do tanks. The rest make machines for narrow tasks, and even then in the best case. However, it seems that we have already forgotten how to do it.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 4 September 2013 21: 11
    +1
    Looks like a couturier model! Taking into account the declared weight, the fabric for such a "suit" is still in the future.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 4 September 2013 22: 10
    0
    it they from tanks 3d embodied
  • cooper
    cooper 4 September 2013 22: 28
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Cooper
    It should be noted that this is a concept. Technology will work out, and then it will be seen. Not the fact that the real product will be exactly the same.
    It will not be 100% like this - it is one thing to bend plastic, another to bend armor ... and in general it is a GENERAL view, which does not yet show an answer to a number of questions, like, how are they going to power the engine with air and where the exhaust gases will go, engine cooling, as it is envisaged to carry out maintenance work on MTO and its replacement. In general, I have the impression that we will see something similar, even very much, under the Armata brand. Someone will start screaming about "borrowing" ...
    Sorry, but XU From Armata ????? The Dark Knight flying on the Internet ??? Poles come up with something and work, what is bad? America before World War II in tanks was a complete zero, but as a result it made a lot of decent Pts decent tanks. Sherman is an example, good armor, mobility is a decent weapon.
  • Stalinets
    Stalinets 5 September 2013 02: 34
    +1
    What else are psheks capable of ?? It’s like a tank for them .... In the cinema, to shoot such and all. About Lelika and Boleka .. laughing
  • svp67
    svp67 5 September 2013 10: 41
    +3
    The Poles still did not work out, but the American light tank Future Combat Systems (photo from veteranshour.com). Here is a freak so freak ...
    1. mejik
      mejik 5 September 2013 11: 50
      +1
      laughing The loggia was especially delivered for the driver. Question, is it glazed ?? laughing
      1. basil200
        basil200 6 September 2013 04: 54
        +1
        Glazed and tinted, so as not to see how the shower takes.
  • Kars
    Kars 7 September 2013 20: 59
    +2
    _________________________
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 6 November 2013 11: 30
      0
      yes ,, cool ,, tank, but where is he going to ride? It can be seen on Red Square, in the parade on the occasion of the victory over ,, yami ,,
  • marat1000
    marat1000 29 September 2013 09: 27
    0
    It’s as if a tank from a computer game))) Such a mock-up will collect any sausage in your garage
  • Shkodnick
    Shkodnick 19 October 2013 02: 24
    0
    interesting. the muzzle doesn’t move in a vertical plane, probably? judging by the casing coming into the mask ...
  • Swag
    Swag 24 October 2013 12: 58
    +1
    Under such pieces, they also need a load road, well, of course, the height pleases, it can be seen from far away ... it seems to me that it works on shale gas, in the sense of an inflatable !!!
  • Paleontologist
    Paleontologist 28 November 2013 14: 16
    0
    At least the Poles risk running futuristic projects. And put them on display and discussion. Yes, and BAE Sist. not just like that in the project.
    So far, the Russian UVZ presented to the people only the modernization of the tank of the early 70s. By and large, the Poles and UVZ have equal experience in designing new tanks.
  • Paleontologist
    Paleontologist 28 November 2013 14: 17
    0
    Question to specialists: does Poland have (or plan) its own production of ceramic armor?
  • sasska
    sasska 11 December 2013 13: 19
    0
    Quote: ALEX74
    In vain you offend the Baltic countries, they are very proud and independent. They even have several tanks, though there are no shells for them!

    and there are "thousands of cyclists and half a ship in the port" laughing
  • 232OUTRB
    232OUTRB 27 May 2014 17: 40
    0
    This is some kind of disfigured Maus, especially from behind. Judging by everything, this miracle if it goes, it’s only on asphalt. You can’t put dirt on it.
  • Nordost
    Nordost 9 January 2016 08: 10
    0
    Quote: Iraclius
    Only two questions about this very gravitsapu - and how the hell? Greater Poland’s ambitions at the local gentry will be sworn in one place. laughing
    However, there is another version, according to which the unusual appearance of the tank is due to the purely aesthetic views of the authors of the project. One of the most controversial decisions within the framework of the original appearance was the casing of the gun. The characteristic quadrangular design of the chopped form differs significantly from the solutions used on modern tanks. Including this fact can also serve as confirmation of the aesthetic version of the origin of a number of units.

    I can recommend using decals, garlands, stickers, caps on wheels, chrome moldings - it also improves the aesthetics of the gravitapa. laughing


    Yeah, and imagine this picture: this tank with all these bells and whistles + neon lights is driving along the road, and in it there is also music playing "And we are going to a neighboring village to a disco!"