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New Ukrainian armored vehicles - BTR-3E with Cockerill CSE 90L turret

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In the framework of the international defense exhibition, which was held 17-21 February 2013, in the United Arab Emirates, Ukraine presented its own production of new armored vehicles.

In addition to the KRAZ-ASV / APC / 2013 armored vehicle, which was developed in Kremenchug and made on the basis of an all-terrain vehicle, the fire support vehicle based on the CMI Defense armored personnel carrier BTR-3E armored turret was also of great interest. This machine is evidence that Ukrainian-made armored vehicles have great chances to win back their segment of the world arms market, in particular, in the industry of light armored vehicles.

The BTR-3E armored personnel carrier was created on the basis of another Ukrainian armored personnel carrier, the BTR-3Е1 (which, in turn, is a modification of the BTR-80) and the Belgian tower CSE 90LP.

This project, according to Evgeny Golubenko, director of the state enterprise Ukroboronservis, is the result of bilateral cooperation between the Ukrainian company and the Belgian company CMI. He also noted that the memorandum of cooperation between the two states was signed in 2012. The main purpose of the document was joint development and the beginning of serial production of a joint armored vehicle, which would be adapted to NATO standards. In addition, the document was aimed at finding promising new markets.



E. Golubenko also noted that the Ukrainian manufacturers specially adapted the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier for the installation of the Belgian tower, which made it possible to use 90-millimeter shells that meet the standards of the military unit. In addition, this project also provides for the use of Ukrainian guided missiles.

New Ukrainian armored vehicles - BTR-3E with Cockerill CSE 90L turret


The director of Ukroboronservis emphasized that the goal of adaptation is to create a jointly competitive product and access to those markets where, by tradition, European manufacturers hold leading positions. In particular, we are talking about the Middle East and South America. Serial production was organized at the facilities of the Ukrainian enterprise “Kiev armored plant”. The implementation of this project was made possible through the use of working capital of the concern “Ukroboronservis”. At the same time, budget funds were not used at all.

In turn, the director of the Kiev factory, Vadim Shkavro, stated that the production of the armored personnel carrier is a vivid example of the fact that cooperation between Ukrainian enterprises and leading European companies is very successful, and that it is based on a fairly high level of design thought of domestic developers and the potential of European manufacturers, which fully complies with the world's stringent standards.

The BTR-3E armored personnel carrier is a wheeled combat combat vehicle that weighs in the order of 16 tons and has high firepower and mobility. The crew of the armored personnel carrier consists of nine people: commander, driver-mechanic, gunner and paratroopers 6.



On this sample of an armored personnel carrier, you can install a variety of power plants, not only domestic but also foreign production. The main feature of the BTR-3E presented at the exhibition was the double combat compartment and the Cockerill CSE 90LP armored circular turret, equipped with a 90 millimeter low-impulse cannon and an 7,62 caliber machine gun paired with it. The substandard squad and the tower itself is a lightweight and compact combat module that is fairly simple to install on any type of armored vehicle. Thanks to modern design, high firepower and reliability, this combat module has high combat properties. However, it is very easy to manage.

It should also be noted that the combat module of the Belgian production has proven itself in the world market and exported to many countries. Currently more than 2,5 thousand units of such guns are sold. Not only modern high-explosive high-performance cumulative and sub-caliber projectiles can be used as ammunition in cannons, but also Ukrainian guided missiles. The gunner and commander of the armored personnel carrier can fire, using a digital fire control system equipped with electric pointing drives and a combined sight. The gun is manually loaded by the commander of the BTR. The use of this weapon makes it possible to solve a large number of tactical tasks: from conducting the fight against non-state military formations to conducting a full-fledged battle.

According to the developers, the low weight of the combat module made it possible to maintain a high level of mobility of the armored personnel carrier. The layout provides for the location of the control compartment in the front, the combat compartment in the middle part and the power plant in the stern. The car is equipped with a multi-fuel diesel engine with horsepower 300, which makes it possible to reach speeds up to 100 kilometers per hour. Diesel can be used at temperatures up to 50 degrees, while the range of fuel is about 750 kilometers.

The BTR-3E has a manual gearbox, which significantly reduces the cost of an armored vehicle compared to cars that have an automatic transmission. All 8 drive wheels of the armored personnel carrier can be “shod” not only in tires of domestic production, but also in tires made in France by Michelin.

The base version of the armored personnel carrier BTR-3E is a floating one. At the same time, based on the available information, this sample is not intended to overcome water obstacles (there is no water jet and a water-reflecting shield).

The armored personnel carrier is covered with Ukrainian-made armored steel - Zaporizhstal and Azovstal factories. Armor is further enhanced by the use of a Kevlar interlayer. All this guarantees the protection of the crew from the enemy's 12,7-millimeter bullets, and in addition - fully complies with NATO booking standards. Due to the successful design of the undercarriage of the armored personnel carrier and the booking structure, high durability against the effects of damaging factors of an explosion in the event of a collision with an anti-tank mine is ensured.

In order for the crew and paratroopers to feel more comfortable inside the car, the height of the troop compartment was increased. Moreover, at the request of the customer, an air conditioner can be installed in the APC (as shown by the practice of using the Ukrainian contingent of armored vehicles in Iraq - its presence is simply necessary for the effective accomplishment of tasks).

It should also be noted that devices for protection against penetrating radiation in the event of an explosion of nuclear ammunition, as well as against bacterial agents, toxic agents and radioactive dust when moving through contaminated areas are installed on this armored vehicle.

It can be assumed that the new model of an armored personnel carrier of joint Ukrainian-Belgian production can be offered not only to those countries that already have the BTR-3 (and there are currently ten such countries) as a modernized version, but also potential new customers.

Materials used:
http://raigap.livejournal.com/220782.html
http://uos.ua/produktsiya/bronetehnika/61-boevaya-kolesnaya-plavayushchaya-mashina-btr-3e
http://tank-tula.clan.su/news/na_vystavke_idex_2013_vpervye_predstavlen_ukrainsko_belgijskij_btr/2013-02-21-80
http://www.ukroboronprom.com.ua/ru/news/219
http://www.army-guide.com/rus/article/article_2381.html
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  1. Donetskiy
    Donetskiy 22 August 2013 07: 48 New
    +5
    In addition, this project also provides for the use of Ukrainian guided missiles.

    1. Luger
      Luger 22 August 2013 08: 19 New
      -5
      Author why this video? Type Ukrainian BTR is as European as Belgian? But what about cracks in the case? ;)
      1. Donetskiy
        Donetskiy 22 August 2013 08: 33 New
        +9
        I’m not the author, but a video for the fact that a similar guided missile of only a larger caliber is clearly shown.
        upper in the photo Falarik 90 mm


        But what about cracks in the case? ;)

        Have you seen them or are you ready to believe a word to some Arabs?
        1. Varnaga
          Varnaga 22 August 2013 09: 07 New
          +2
          and what, are the bodies newly-welded or sawn from old backlogs?
          Whatever it was, but the armored personnel carriers are hanging around with quite definite prospects of being arrested and sold at the price of scrap metal to third countries.
          1. Donetskiy
            Donetskiy 22 August 2013 09: 26 New
            +4
            Whatever it was, but so far these are tales from the category of "stronghold drowned in Thailand."
            Production of armored vehicles:
            1. Varnaga
              Varnaga 22 August 2013 09: 43 New
              0
              Well, yes, the pictures show that the upper part of the BTR-4 hull is re-sawn, but what about the lower, most labor-intensive and complex? On BTR-3, so generally the pictures do not show anything, except for a little fine-tuning.
              And yes, if the enclosures are completely new, including the lower part, then what prevented us from following modern trends in terms of increasing mine resistance?
              1. Donetskiy
                Donetskiy 22 August 2013 09: 51 New
                +5
                the pictures show that the upper part of the BTR-4 hull is re-sawn

                ahh, well, everything with you is clearly a "sofa special", which is unlikely to be able to distinguish the BTR-60/70/80 from each other. I will not waste time.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 22 August 2013 13: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: Varnaga
            Whatever it was, but the armored personnel carriers are hanging around with quite definite prospects of being arrested and sold at the price of scrap metal to third countries.

            BTR-4 was delivered to Iraq

            Quote: article
            In addition, this project also provides for the use of Ukrainian guided missiles.

            Do they have a 90mm caliber?

            Quote: article
            It should also be noted that the combat module of the Belgian production is well established in the world market and exported to many countries.

            just no one doubts the qualities of BM.

            Quote: article
            a new model of an armored personnel carrier of joint Ukrainian-Belgian production can be offered not only to those countries that already have BTR-3 in service (and there are currently ten such countries)

            wow! Already ten! Can I list and preferably with the number of units delivered?

            Quote: article
            All this guarantees the protection of the crew from 12,7 mm enemy bullets, and in addition - fully complies with NATO reservation standards. (There are currently ten such countries)

            Circular protection from 12,7? If so, then not bad.
            1. Akim
              Akim 22 August 2013 13: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: Flood
              Do they have a 90mm caliber?

              You are welcome. First on top. Burn 500-510 mm
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 22 August 2013 14: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: Akim
                You are welcome. First on top. Burn 500-510 mm

                Yes, thanks, I’ve already seen at Donetsk.
        2. Varnaga
          Varnaga 22 August 2013 09: 26 New
          +3
          And why shouldn't we trust a respected deputy based on an official parliamentary investigation? Apparently, the activities of the committee created to verify this order still bears fruit))
          1. Donetskiy
            Donetskiy 22 August 2013 09: 45 New
            +2
            And how can one trust a representative of an unstable regime within which clan squabbles take place? And all this against the background when multibillion-dollar deals with the United States are voiced. There was an acceptance by the Iraqi side on the territory of Ukraine and the same was supposed to take place on the territory of the customer, but instead the Iraqi side refused to even unload them.
            1. Varnaga
              Varnaga 22 August 2013 09: 57 New
              -1
              And how can one trust a representative of an unstable regime within which clan squabbles take place?

              Are you talking about Ukraine so subtly humorized? Thanks, appreciated))
              And hadn't there ever been a situation when Iraqi receivers took bribes in Kharkov, in contrast to the receivers in Iraq itself, as a result of which there was a mismatch that fell out in the complaint?
              And yes, EMNP, the acceptance in Kharkov is superficial, in the sense that the equipment is checked first of all, the acceptance in Iraq is carried out according to the declared characteristics and in more depth? If you have other information, please share)
              1. Donetskiy
                Donetskiy 22 August 2013 10: 16 New
                +2
                30 km march to the tankodrome and shooting of the BK is a complete set check?
        3. dominatus
          dominatus 22 August 2013 19: 34 New
          +7
          Quote: Donetskiy
          Have you seen them or are you ready to believe a word to some Arabs?


          So after all, the Arabs did not say a word about the cracks. The Iraqis adopted all the technology back in Ukraine. What are the acts of acceptance.
          And the only source of information about the cracks is the Odessa Internet newspaper "Duma. No."
          There are no other sources. All mass media reporting cracks in the buildings refer to Dumskaya.net.
          There are not even statements by the Iraqi side.
          In general, a typical duck. I will say more - a "duck" for idiots.
          Because a healthy person would immediately ask questions.
          1. Why did the representatives of Iraq accept the equipment and sign the acceptance certificate.
          2. If APCs were received and loaded without cracks, then where could they come from during transportation.
          3. And how exactly were these cracks discovered if the APCs had not yet arrived at their destination? Who found them, dry cargo crew?
      2. Mitek
        Mitek 22 August 2013 08: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Luger
        Author why this video? Type Ukrainian BTR is as European as Belgian? But what about cracks in the case? ;)

        Housing from 80ki. But he is not designed for such a tower. It is not designed for dynamic loads. It’s necessary to redo the chassis for such a combat module from the beginning to Kants, as it seems to me. And to henry up on the body of the old armored personnel carrier a tower from some crap ... nekomilfo. Negroes only sell. One hell in case of war come out and run away. Better used an anti-aircraft defense module, and it helps easier and more in demand since democratic bombing helps.
        1. Donetskiy
          Donetskiy 22 August 2013 09: 09 New
          +3
          So this is not the case of the 80s, with a general silhouette, the dimensions are different, it is higher and longer. The design itself is designed for a weighty module, in this case a tower, otherwise it would be necessary to cook an additional frame from steel pipes ala BTR-82.
        2. Akim
          Akim 22 August 2013 09: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: Mitek
          Housing from 80ki. But he is not designed for such a tower

          Even if you do not prove that it is a different building ...
          In the USSR there was a more powerful 85-mm anti-tank gun on the chassis of the seventies "Sting". Passed the test normally.
          1. avt
            avt 22 August 2013 09: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Even if you do not prove that it is a different building ...
            In the USSR there was a more powerful 85-mm anti-tank gun on the chassis of the seventies "Sting". Passed the test normally.

            That's right. If the essence of the article - it looks like a budget option for Africans. If it’s a ride, it’s your luck, but the market is full of more technologically advanced variants of wheeled vehicles with a tool, perhaps francs are ahead of everyone here, taking into account the market for similar products that they have mastered, and it will be difficult to jump them.
          2. PROXOR
            PROXOR 22 August 2013 09: 46 New
            -1
            Quote: Akim
            Passed the test normally.

            Please provide documents to the studio. with a positive conclusion of the acceptance commission.
            1. Akim
              Akim 22 August 2013 10: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: PROXOR
              documents to the studio. with a positive conclusion of the acceptance commission.

              Do you even understand what you're asking? Where can I get documents 40 years ago? The fact that 2A62 was quite powerful is already well known. But the fact that it is worse than the Octopus and a hedgehog is understandable. But you cannot install a 125 mm 2A45 / 46 on such an APC.
              1. PROXOR
                PROXOR 22 August 2013 10: 34 New
                -10
                Quote: Akim
                Do you even understand what you're asking? Where can I get documents 40 years ago? The fact that 2A62 was quite powerful is already well known. But the fact that it is worse than the Octopus and a hedgehog is understandable. But you cannot install a 125 mm 2A45 / 46 on such an APC.

                Then where is such certainty that this machine was tested successfully? Every argument must be affirmed. A BLINKING DISADVANTAGES LEFT AND RIGHT IS THE BEHAVIOR OF THE KINDERGARTEN OF THE JUNIOR GROUP.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 22 August 2013 10: 57 New
                  +9
                  Quote: PROXOR
                  Every argument must be affirmed. A BLINKING DISADVANTAGES LEFT AND RIGHT IS THE BEHAVIOR OF THE KINDERGARTEN OF THE JUNIOR GROUP.

                  Zadolbali !!!!!! I put on this site only 2 times minus and then in economic articles. I had 28 minuses in one comment yesterday, so should I be offended by everyone?
                  Well, you have a gap, and then share information. Much has been written about the "Sting" and also why it was not adopted. Not for technical reasons, but because its ballistic characteristics did not satisfy the military.
                  1. PROXOR
                    PROXOR 22 August 2013 11: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    Not for technical reasons, but because its ballistic characteristics did not satisfy the military.

                    Where in this phrase is the success of the test. A machine built for certain tasks did not fulfill them. This is the same as confirming successful trials of a baby trench digging pit. In principle, a scoop will dig a waste, but the question is how much and with what temporary resources. That's what I meant.
                    PySy: To offend is the lot of young devi. And I just explain to you my position and express a misunderstanding of some actions.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 22 August 2013 11: 46 New
                      +3
                      The argument began with the phrase:
                      Housing from 80ki. But he is not designed for such a tower.

                      The fact that the "Sting" was not useful to the military is to divert the topic to the side. It was originally said that the more powerful 2A62 gun was installed on this type of armored personnel carrier and withstood the chassis.
                      1. PROXOR
                        PROXOR 22 August 2013 12: 00 New
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        The fact that the "Sting" was not useful to the military is to divert the topic to the side. It was originally said that the more powerful 2A62 gun was installed on this type of armored personnel carrier and withstood the chassis.

                        Dear Akim. I propose to close this dispute, because the followers from Ukraine will wildly inflict me only by belonging to the opponents of this machine.
                        And from myself. You don’t hear me again. Well, a more rigorous example. Heavy tank T35. Multi-tower. The chassis could support its weight, the engine moved it, but the sense from him to the Finnish was 0 whole figs tenths. For his armor could not withstand hits from anti-tank guns. So with this machine. The presence of an 85mm gun did not give any emergency abilities to combat the product "Sting" with protinik tanks. The sting could get into the tank, but not. Hence the final conclusion is that it is impossible to call the tests of this Object successful. Now, if this product had been tested in 1939, it would have been called successful and hastily accepted for weapons. I hope this time I explained everything in an accessible way.
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 22 August 2013 12: 07 New
                        0
                        Quote: PROXOR
                        And from myself. You don’t hear me again. Well, a more rigorous example. Heavy tank T35. Multi-tower. The chassis could withstand its weight, the engine moved it, but the sense from him to the Finnish was 0 whole figs tenths

                        I said this before our argument, just below.
                        Quote: Akim
                        And BOPS for a low-pulse gun is nothing. Light armored vehicles can destroy any high-explosive 90-mm shell. But such a gun can’t cope with tanks.

                        Here at the beginning the conversation was from a different angle.
                      3. Donetskiy
                        Donetskiy 22 August 2013 12: 09 New
                        0
                        you would first decide on the subject of the dispute, because you talked about different things.
                2. Kars
                  Kars 22 August 2013 11: 07 New
                  +3
                  Experimental Soviet self-propelled gun 2С14 "Sting". Work on a wheeled self-propelled gun was carried out in the 1968-1973 years. 85-mm gun The sting was created in two versions: self-propelled and towed. The self-propelled gun was developed on the basis of the modernized BTR-60 (which, after completion, was adopted as the BTR-70). The car passed field tests, but was not adopted for service. the only surviving specimen is in the BTT Kvubinka Museum.
                3. Semurg
                  Semurg 22 August 2013 11: 41 New
                  +4
                  [quote = Akim] [quote = PROXOR] Each argument must be confirmed. A BLACK DISEASES LEFT AND RIGHT THIS BEHAVIOR OF THE KINDERGARTEN KINDERGARTEN. [/ Quote]
                  Zadolbali !!!!!! I put on this site only 2 times minus and then in economic articles. I had 28 minuses in one comment yesterday, so should I be offended by everyone?
                  Yes, the Akim revered yesterday in Ukraine where you were greatly neglected for disagreeing with the general line forcing the union.
                4. Flooding
                  Flooding 22 August 2013 13: 02 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Akim
                  Zadolbali !!!!!! I put on this site only 2 times minus and then in economic articles. I had 28 minuses in one comment yesterday, so should I be offended by everyone?

                  Akim, can I have a plus? Always on business and seriously, for which I respect.
      3. PROXOR
        PROXOR 22 August 2013 09: 42 New
        +2
        Take a look at google self-propelled mortar artillery complex NONA-SVK. Looks like our blee makers went along the way to spank something.
    2. Luger
      Luger 22 August 2013 11: 30 New
      -2
      This is how they looked offended, they threw minuses that now you can’t even pin up for cracks in the case? laughing
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 22 August 2013 15: 08 New
        +8
        Quote: Luger
        This is how they looked offended, they threw minuses that now you can’t even pin up for cracks in the case? laughing

        Pff, your colleagues in the neighboring "political branch" got me 7 minuses for absolutely neutral data on import exports from Ukraine and Russia taken from the off site of the "Federal Service of State Statistics of Russia" laughing They also offered to hit on the forehead. Apparently just for the Ukrainian. flags on ava) And you're here "kidding")
  2. Varnaga
    Varnaga 22 August 2013 09: 22 New
    0
    Given this:
    In contrast to the sale of old equipment, the implementation of the contract for the supply of Sudan 120 BTR-3E1 of a new manufacture faced serious difficulties. At the end of 2010, the Kiev Repair and Mechanical Plant State Enterprise was able to send only the first two armored personnel carriers to Sudan, and in 2011 - only eight more BTR-3E1. Due to chronic breakdowns in the terms of the contract and the unsatisfactory quality of the ten cars already received, the Sudanese side in 2012 canceled the contract regarding the supply of BTR-3E1 and refused to receive 110 remaining units.

    Thus, the BTR-3 in Sudan repeated the fate of these machines in the UAE (the starting customer that financed its development), Myanmar, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan - when, after receiving small batches of BTR-3, customers refused to receive this equipment further.


    As well as what I wrote below on BTR-4E, the export prospects of BTR-3E in any configuration are simply endless laughing
    1. Donetskiy
      Donetskiy 22 August 2013 09: 37 New
      +6
      but nothing that Ukraine at the same time delivered more than a hundred BTR-3e to Thailand and continues to supply under an additional agreement? All these "tales from the crypt" are well known to us.
      1. Varnaga
        Varnaga 22 August 2013 09: 49 New
        0
        Question, Sudan, the UAE (for a minute, the starting customer!), Were the armored personnel carriers delivered or not? And how is the assembly in Kazakhstan?
        1. Donetskiy
          Donetskiy 22 August 2013 09: 57 New
          +2
          in Sudan you need to watch the report of this year, in Kazakhstan they must collect BTR-4e.
          Meanwhile, from available sources it is known that there was a delivery to Nigeria in the police version:
          1. Varnaga
            Varnaga 22 August 2013 10: 58 New
            +1
            for Sudan you need to watch this year's report

            10 out of 120? canceled the same contract for the remaining 110 in 2012.
            In 2012, only BTR-70-1 units were delivered to Sudan)
            report
          2. Varnaga
            Varnaga 22 August 2013 11: 09 New
            0
            in Kazakhstan should collect BTR-4e.

            Well, since May 2012 nothing more has been heard, except for corruption scandals with long sentences for employees of Ukrspetsexport for giving bribes.
            Meanwhile, a year later such news:
            Kazakhstan is close to signing a contract for the production of armored personnel carriers Arma
            It seems that the next Peremoga breaks off))
            1. Donetskiy
              Donetskiy 22 August 2013 11: 30 New
              0
              Non-confirmed information about possible signing has appeared

              you can not read further, the market is extremely competitive and the struggle is waged, including in the information space. The story allegedly with Sudan could well not have happened, as well as a lot of previously invented things. Especially since there could be problems with serial production, when already in 2007, the first significant batch of BTR-3e, about 50 pieces, was delivered to Nigeria.
  3. ildar335
    ildar335 22 August 2013 18: 45 New
    0
    somewhere there in the seas, oceans are already floating unclaimed Ukrainian armored personnel carriers))))
  4. kosmos44
    kosmos44 23 August 2013 06: 56 New
    +1
    Yeah! NEW! On one trash, piled another. Lego their mother.
  • Jacob31
    Jacob31 22 August 2013 08: 22 New
    +6
    BTR is excellent !!! The only bad thing is that Ukraine in NATO marks all the same native countries with Russia.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 22 August 2013 10: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Jacob31
      BTR is excellent !!!

      Ukraine is not glorious alone!
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 22 August 2013 10: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: AK-47
        Ukraine is not glorious alone!

        No offense. Glory unconditionally. But not to Ukraine, but to the people of Ukraine. Leadership The finger did not hit the finger to improve the situation.
  • Pon69
    Pon69 22 August 2013 08: 28 New
    +5
    Particularly touches - "The commander of an armored personnel carrier loads the gun manually"
    1. duke
      duke 22 August 2013 08: 59 New
      +1
      in my opinion a wheeled tank based on the BTR-90, with a bakhcha tower from the BMP-3 was more interesting ... it’s a pity they didn’t take it into service, because for a wheeled tank it doesn’t matter that there is no ramp / door in the stern, and even hatches on the sides preferable for quick loading of ammunition, and the crew is small, they will have time to land if that ...
    2. Akim
      Akim 22 August 2013 09: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Pon69
      "The gun commander manually loads the armored personnel carrier"

      This also surprised me, especially when you consider that the commander is sitting on the right. And BOPS for a low-pulse gun is nothing. Light armored vehicles can destroy any high-explosive 90-mm shell. But such a gun can’t cope with tanks.
      1. Donetskiy
        Donetskiy 22 August 2013 10: 30 New
        +1
        there are different tanks, in Africa and Latin America there is enough all sorts of trash.
        1. Akim
          Akim 22 August 2013 10: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Donetskiy
          in Africa and Latin America, all sorts of trash is enough.

          Why buy BTR nigrams that are more expensive than a used T-72?
          1. Donetskiy
            Donetskiy 22 August 2013 11: 16 New
            +3
            Do you have the exact prices? With African open spaces, such a wheeled tank will often be preferable, in view of the much greater motor resource, speed, and much larger radius of action. Again, over the air in some cases, you can transfer. Of course, he cannot become a full alternative to BTT, but as an additional component it is completely. Or do you think that he is not a modern bops or the Ptrk T-72? not to mention the t-55/62.
            1. Akim
              Akim 22 August 2013 11: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Donetskiy
              Do you have the exact prices?

              BTR-3E1 is supplied to Thailand at a price of about a lemon bucks. ($ 10050000)
              Ethiopia, Ukraine sold 200 T-72M1 tanks (some of them T-72UA1) for 120 lyam. The difference is obvious.
              1. Kars
                Kars 22 August 2013 11: 41 New
                +2
                Quote: Akim
                Ethiopia, Ukraine sold 200 tanks T-72М1 (some of them T-72УА1) for 120 lyamov.

                That passed on the papers 120, the rest ..black ..
              2. Donetskiy
                Donetskiy 22 August 2013 11: 57 New
                +1
                all the same, we are talking about different cars with different fillings, the subject is designed for a more budgetary niche, and this is indicated by a complete set of a 3td domestic engine with a manual gearbox.
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    3. PROXOR
      PROXOR 22 August 2013 09: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Pon69
      Particularly touches - "The commander of an armored personnel carrier loads the gun manually"

      I repeat. NONA SVK. It generally has a separate charger as I understand it.
  • Basileus
    Basileus 22 August 2013 08: 36 New
    +1
    And the use of such a gun? Is it not better to put a mortar of the Nona type with a larger caliber, or vice versa - an automatic gun with a smaller one? Moreover, with manual loading.
    1. Akim
      Akim 22 August 2013 09: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Basileus
      Not better to put a mortar like Nona

      The 2A51 Nona gun is not accessible to everyone. And this car is for export.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 22 August 2013 09: 39 New
        +4
        Akim, it seems Ukraine has followed the path of South Africa with the APC "Ratel-90" and Belgium "SIBMAS". But is there any point? Everything is clear from South Africa, the savannahs of Africa provide for the preferable use of wheeled vehicles, and the “Rati” together with the “Åland” coped with the Angolan T-54 / T-55, but Cuban T-62 were too tough for them. As a result, the South Africans were forced to create a specialized Ruikat tank destroyer, with a 76-mm naval cannon, although an option was also planned with a 105-mm gun. The Belgian SIBMAS was originally created as an export vehicle, and it is used only by the army of Malaysia, where in the jungle wheeled vehicles also have a preference over tracked vehicles. Do not you see the point in processing the APC and creating the so-called so-called “BTR” "wheeled tank" following the example of the Italian "Centaur" or the French AMX-10RC and ERC-90 "Sage", especially since the layout as we noticed BTR-3 and especially BTR-4 allow this to be done. especially since this would be a good car with powerful weapons for the airborne forces, marines and internal troops. Yours faithfully! hi
        South African "Ratel-90"

        Belgian SIBMAS
        1. Akim
          Akim 22 August 2013 10: 15 New
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          Quote: smiths xnumx
          Akim, it seems Ukraine has followed the path of South Africa with the APC "Ratel-90" and Belgium "SIBMAS".

          Good time of day Roman. Ukraine did not go where. Such a MOS was at the Belgian stand, and BTR-3 was only a donor.
          Ukraine produces on its basis:
          - medical
          - commander
          - ARV
          - technicals
          - 120 mm mortar (there is 82 mm but it is not in demand)
          - ATGM (s)
          - there is an experienced ASGLA SAM, but so far the taizi have not officially requested it.
          - there is a MOSFET with a BMP-3 turret (but without a 30 mm gun). It was put on experimental BTR-94 and BTR-3.
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 22 August 2013 10: 51 New
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            Once again I welcome Akim, but let's reason sensibly. All this gamut of vehicles based on the BTR-3, of course, is great, the only thing I can’t understand is why the 82 mm mortar, it seems to be NATO standards 81,4 mm (I mean Thailand), and the lethal power is certainly weak, "Cornflower "better in that it’s automatic, but reliability has let us down. Nevertheless, how this armored troop-carrier is a wunderwaffle (don’t be offended, didn’t want to insult the car, I just didn’t find another definition) is pretty flawed, because there are only 6 people in the landing; to fight with tanks, the Belgian cannon’s weak armor is too tough for a modern tank, and as a fire support vehicle, armor is weak and even penetrates RPG-7, not to mention ATGMs. Maybe Ukraine really does follow the path of the UAE, which has installed the Bahcha-U combat module on the VBCI chassis, and is already actively using it in Afghanistan, all the more so as I understand such developments. Yours faithfully! hi
            1. Akim
              Akim 22 August 2013 11: 10 New
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              Quote: smiths xnumx
              Maybe Ukraine really does follow the path of the UAE, which has installed the Bahcha-U combat module on the VBCI chassis, and is already actively using it in Afghanistan, all the more so as I understand such developments.

              There is. Only in Ukraine the “troika” is not adopted, so the customer wants it, they put it. He knows better for him. It is his decision how to use the car.
              BTR-94 with BMP-3 tower
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 22 August 2013 11: 31 New
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                Sorry dear Akim, and who is the potential customer of this machine. So far, I am aware of two large deliveries of BTR-3 to foreign customers in Thailand and Nigeria. In February 2013, the Nigerian Federal Police shipped four BTR-3E armored personnel carriers manufactured at the Kiev Repair and Mechanical Plant State Enterprise. These vehicles are equipped with single turrets with a 12,7 mm NSVT-12,7 machine gun (similar to the BTR-3UN machines previously delivered to the Nigerian army) and have a characteristic bright blue color. Nigeria became the first significant customer of the BTR-3 Ukrainian-made Nigerian army In 2006-2007, 47 vehicles of this type were delivered. Among the delivered 47 units were 30 linear BTR-3UN (with single turrets with a 12,7 mm NSVT machine gun), six command and staff vehicles BTR-3UK, four armored repair and recovery vehicles BTR-3UR and seven BTR-3E (armed 14,5 mm machine guns). All other attempts to sell it (Sudan, Myanmar, the United Arab Emirates, Azerbaijan) failed. Yours faithfully! hi
                BTR-3UN Nigeria Army supplies 2006-2007.

                BTR-3E for the federal police of Nigeria in the hold of the vessel before departure from Ilyichevsk. 27.02.2013/2012/XNUMX (XNUMX in the photo exposed erroneously). The photo is clickable.

                BREM BTR-3UR as part of the Nigerian contingent of the UN peacekeeping force in Sudan Darfur
                1. Akim
                  Akim 22 August 2013 12: 02 New
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                  Quote: smiths xnumx
                  Sorry dear Akim, and who is the potential customer of this machine.

                  Unfortunately, I don’t guess on the cards, so I can’t say anything. Just to guess. It would be logical to change Thailand's Commando V150 at the Marines, on a single chassis with triples. But this armored personnel carrier with a Belgian tower does not float.
                  1. smiths xnumx
                    smiths xnumx 22 August 2013 12: 46 New
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                    Dear Akim, if I’m not mistaken, then they created the BTR-3 by order of the UAE and for the Marine Corps, which was why they financed its development at the time, when it still appeared as a Guardian. However, for parts of the marine corps equipped with BTR-3 (unfortunately, the Thai marines do not have their own BTT), it would be useful as a fire support vehicle.
                    However, I liked the Mexican modernization of the BTR-60PB for their marines-APC-70, but people managed to make candy ...

                    or Cuban child prodigy:

                    Yours! hi
                2. Akim
                  Akim 24 August 2013 23: 43 New
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                  Quote: smiths xnumx
                  All other attempts to sell it (... Myanmar,


                  This is Myanmar. There are still Ukrainian "Mongooses".
  • Zoryana Mriya
    Zoryana Mriya 22 August 2013 09: 53 New
    +4
    in a word - Well done !!! Ukrainians can be proud of !!!!
    1. vomag
      vomag 22 August 2013 10: 24 New
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      hehehe and what good fellows ??? in the fact that they took the decommissioned armored personnel carrier (sales did not bother to paint normal rust at the seams to save it all) they stuck fluff90ml although the site is not comic verbal battles put on bt57ml or not! and now the main thing against whom we will fight on this ******* or rather, on which theater of operations ?? caliber redundant hauling machine means touched on modernization zero (for patency in the autumn-spring season, you don’t have to guess it is stupidly not) only threatening view and so .. ... I would like to be proud but so far there is nothing stop
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 22 August 2013 10: 43 New
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        Quote: vomag
        hehehe and what good fellows ??? in the fact that they took the decommissioned armored personnel carrier (sales did not bother to paint normal rust at the seams to save it all) they stuck fluff90ml although the site is not comic verbal battles put on bt57ml or not! and now the main thing against whom we will fight on this ******* or rather, on which theater of operations ?? caliber redundant hauling machine means touched on modernization zero (for patency in the autumn-spring season, you don’t have to guess it is stupidly not) only threatening view and so .. ... I would like to be proud but so far there is nothing

        Well, the complete set is unknown to us. Perhaps the car passed dorobotku suspension and power plant.
        Although the purpose of this weapon on such a chassis is really incomprehensible. Domestic NONA and NONA-SVK at least they can fire like mortars. And mortars have been very indispensable recently in the theater of operations in local wars.
      2. dominatus
        dominatus 7 September 2013 17: 44 New
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        Hehe.
        You’d better see what the BTR-4 is.
        Then at least they would not disgrace. Then they would understand that the old building there cannot be a priori. There, even the layout of the engine and the placement of the crew are completely different. In Soviet armored personnel carriers such a layout has never been used.
        BTR-4 has three offices:
        Front - control compartment
        Secondary - Engine Transmission Department
        Rear - combat and landing squads

        So how is it that you can execute such a layout on Soviet armored personnel carriers?
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  • vitas
    vitas 22 August 2013 10: 17 New
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    2S23 "Nona-SVK"
  • agbykov
    agbykov 22 August 2013 10: 59 New
    +1
    When you look at a photo, some kind of cognitive dissonance arises.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 22 August 2013 12: 00 New
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      quote armored personnel carrier BTR-3Е was created on the basis of another Ukrainian armored personnel carrier - BTR-3EX1


      the second video relates to the Thailand-implemented BTR-3E and recall Deputy Commander of the Thai Army


      In the video, the deputy commander of the Thai army talks about the advantages of the BTR-3E1. Customers are delighted with the cooperation, and as previously reported, ordered a second batch of Ukrainian armored cars.

      BTR Export Tests: Male Spectacle

      BTR-3E1 - 2010 car of birth. It was invented in the Kharkov Morozov Design Bureau, and assembled in collaboration with German, American and Arab firms.

      Ukrainian designers insist that this is not a modification of old models, but a completely new development.

      Here are some performance characteristics of this machine:

      engine in xnumx horsepower
      can swim
      lucky six foot soldiers
      equipped with a Flurry combat module - gun (30 mm), machine gun (7,62 mm), grenade launcher (30 mm) and anti-tank weapons
      maximum highway speed - 85 km / h
      http://mport.bigmir.net/war/1509602-Tajcy-obkatali-nashi-BTRy

      Now as BTR-3E with Cockerill CSE 90L TowerI am glad for the Ukrainian comrades. Good luck to the new BTR-u. It would be great if all the same the cooperation on the production of weapons would be with Russia.
      1. vomag
        vomag 23 August 2013 11: 23 New
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        that’s what you rejoice ?? I don’t understand! this is the usual bt80 here and the idiot is clear that during the first battle the clashes the thai landing will climb on the armor as they are there no more stupid than our soldiers (in afg or chech) which is radically new there ?? maybe they hung the armor? increased the mine counterpart ??? duck after all! the design doesn’t allow otherwise it doesn’t float! now brt-3e let it be sold there wherever they want — God forbid from cooperating with them (hell) we’ve got a development monster of 70- 80 years ?? we are developing armata, buerangi, etc., and it’s cool, Mlyn! I must admit that in Ukraine there is no normal design school and that’s why they freak out ugly people for Africa. We kindly ask you not to write comments if you don’t rummage around on technology and promises are well done, let’s be proud of them cheers give us, etc. this is nonsense
        1. dominatus
          dominatus 7 September 2013 17: 50 New
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          Do not disgrace stupid posts comrade.
          If you were interested in the topic, you would not look like a sucker.
          Ukrainian KAZ Barrier can be installed on any type of equipment, even a car. Not to mention armored personnel carriers.

          If you rummage through some kind of technique, then this is at best a 2-wheel car.
          A person who understands in technology a little such nonsense as you wrote - will not write.
  • Bumbik
    Bumbik 22 August 2013 12: 21 New
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    I don’t know anything, I don’t even need to
    as an intelligent person told me, scratch yourself, the relationship that the organized crime groups of our countries have signed or made, this does not apply to the people

    At the moment, Ukraine stands and thank God, just do not fall into the pit of the vehicle, Khan

    Putin, Lukashenko put their people in cancer, they hate us

    The only country where the government still thinks what the people need, and then about itself
  • Bumbik
    Bumbik 22 August 2013 12: 21 New
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    I don’t know anything, I don’t even need to
    as an intelligent person told me, scratch yourself, the relationship that the organized crime groups of our countries have signed or made, this does not apply to the people

    At the moment, Ukraine stands and thank God, just do not fall into the pit of the vehicle, Khan

    Putin, Lukashenko put their people in cancer, they hate us

    The only country where the government still thinks what the people need, and then about itself
  • makst83
    makst83 22 August 2013 12: 31 New
    +4
    I never beg the merits of Ukrainian engineers ..... but everything is new, it’s well forgotten the old)))!
    They didn’t do much work there, and Voila went through with a file! Armored personnel carrier “Sting-B” and “Sting-C” (BTR-70 with 85mm and 125mm gun)
  • Xroft
    Xroft 22 August 2013 12: 39 New
    +1
    They already wrote about this, and generally do not understand the aggressiveness of Ukrainian readers of the Russian Military Patriotic Portal when they are pointed out specific errors / mistakes. No one wants to belittle fraternal people just adequately evaluate the work done. Everywhere there are enough Serdyukovs ....
    1. Bumbik
      Bumbik 22 August 2013 13: 07 New
      -5
      Misses ...
      Dnipropetrovsk region, I’ve been traveling with my wife recently,
      stop mints, dachshund 40 hryvnia. I look into their eyes - it is necessary, gave and asked so that others would not touch

      This is bad, but sometimes it’s necessary

      Now about those above, the Ukrainians (you know if you didn’t call it that way) love their country, the Germans, the French, the British - everyone has a story, our neighbors also have a story and they should not put their Imperial hands in there. 80% of Russia's budget is oil products, the rest is timber and metals. Ukraine does not have such a needle, so it’s better to learn not from yourself, but from neighbors
  • Poppy
    Poppy 22 August 2013 13: 05 New
    +3
    Armored personnel carrier covered armored steel of Ukrainian production

    I did not understand this phrase
    Is it not built of armor, but covered with it?
  • dvvv
    dvvv 22 August 2013 13: 20 New
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    All this guarantees the protection of the crew from enemy 12,7-millimeter bullets, and in addition - fully complies with the NATO booking standards. - here are the questions: BMP-1 at 13 tons does not hold 7.62 on board, and here 16 tons and already 12.7 holds! Is it in a circle or in the forehead?
    1. Poppy
      Poppy 22 August 2013 13: 49 New
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      Quote: dvvv
      Is it in a circle or in the forehead?

      this is on the flyer
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 22 August 2013 14: 25 New
        +3
        Comparison of American and Ukrainian BTR-3

        American sat in a puddle see 01: 57 A SHAME laughing and the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier passed all tests with honor good

        1. Apollo
          Apollo 22 August 2013 14: 35 New
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          quote-Within the framework of the international defense exhibition, which took place on February 17-21 on 2013 in the United Arab Emirates, Ukraine presented the latest armored vehicles of its own production.

          The video posted by me speaks about the great successes of Ukrainian gunsmiths. It is not only about armored personnel carriers.
          Informative. So we look.
  • Donetskiy
    Donetskiy 22 August 2013 14: 49 New
    +1
    the most spectacular BTR-3e video in action, against the background of such firepower, Singapore terexes look herbivores:
  • Donetskiy
    Donetskiy 22 August 2013 14: 54 New
    +3
    punishing ray
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 22 August 2013 21: 23 New
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    honestly say a mixture of bulldog with rhino. what is rhino? in the wheelbase. what is the bulldog? in the tower. it seems that this modification was made specifically for African countries where they are familiar with our technology. and Belgian weapons are familiar. for such a machine, a back door is needed for the landing, but it is not there. The center of gravity is higher, stability is lower, not only transverse, but also longitudinal. Under certain conditions, the muzzle will be buried. and still this tower is outdated. you need something new with remote control. 16 tons, but the armor is weak for such weapons. it is intended more for what would drive a bush of Papuans.
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  • Yemelya
    Yemelya 22 August 2013 22: 35 New
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    And on the "Bulat", I wonder if you can put such a tower?

    The BA-10 reincarnation would have turned out ...
  • Sochi
    Sochi 23 August 2013 00: 13 New
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    cool ... in the sense - and why the hell? The Ukrainian military-industrial complex does not have a coherent program of action, there is no R&D, they just look around ... yeah, there they are like that, well, we’ll stick. Fortunately, much remains of the USSR, and there is something to sculpt. This is only one plus - those who sculpt, remain in action, and in the case of a real military program and funding, they will really construct. In Russia, too, such a tramp was at one time, but thank God it seems like they left it.
  • Larus
    Larus 24 August 2013 18: 11 New
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    What defective Iraqi armored personnel carriers have already taken back, or they still swim ....
  • AnonimCCCP
    AnonimCCCP 25 August 2013 07: 15 New
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    Great armored personnel carrier for Ukraine, looks a bit like Russian smile
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