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Explosion in mumbai. Submarines are dying without a fight

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Explosion in mumbai. Submarines are dying without a fight



Submariners have trouble all over the world.

6 August 2013, the command of the US Navy announced its decision to dispose of the Miami submarine, heavily damaged in a fire last year during a scheduled repair at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard.

The USS Miami (SSN-755) will be the first American submarine lost under such ridiculous circumstances, as well as the first US Navy ship since the Civil War, which took a heroic death during its dock. The Yankees have something to be proud of - Miami died, but did not lower the flag in the face of the enemy!



As the investigation later established, 24-year-old house painter Casey J. Fury turned out to be the “enemy” - late for a date, young Herostrat set fire to a rag in one of the rooms and with a clear heart left the workplace for fire fighting sirens. Alas, he has nowhere else to hurry - the fiery Romeo will spend the next 17 years in the dungeons of a federal prison.

And now - a new tragedy

On the night of 13 on 14 on August 2013 of the year, on the thirteenth anniversary of the death of the submarine Kursk, in the Indian port of Mumbai (formerly Bombay) a catastrophic explosion thundered on board INS Sindhurakshak (S63), a diesel-electric submarine of the Indian Navy, belonging to family "Warsaw".

It is too premature to speak about the causes, nature and consequences of the catastrophe, but already some details of the tragic accident have become known: the explosion and the subsequent submergence of the submarine killed the 18 of Indian sailors. As for the Sindurakshak itself, whose mutilated hull is still lying at the pier at a depth of 10 meters, a spokesman for the Indian Navy said in an interview with the BBC that the possibility of repairing and returning the dead boat to the system is estimated as an "unlikely event."

As it became known, “Sindurakshak” only six months ago returned from Russia, where in the period from August 2010 to February 2013, it was overhauled and deeply modernized at the enterprise Zvezdochka Center.



As part of the Russian-Indian contract worth $ 80 million, a range of work was carried out on board the boat aimed at improving the combat performance and operational safety of the submarine. A total upgrade of radio electronic equipment and weapons systems was carried out, Sindurakshak received a new USHUS hydroacoustic station (own Indian development), Porpoise radar, new EW equipment, radio system СCS-MK-2, controlled weapons Club-S (anti-ship and tactical cruise missiles - export versions of the family of Russian caliber missiles). The chillers were replaced, the submarine's mechanisms underwent planned repairs and upgrades - the estimated service life of the Sindurakshak was extended by 10 years, without reducing its combat capabilities.



Sindurakshak returns to southern latitudes from Severodvinsk. The cuttings of two “Sharks” of the 941 project are visible in the background.

Behind vigorous reports on the number of installed systems and the results of successful modernization of the Indian submarine hides a small military secret - such an unexpected visit by Sindurakshak to Zvyozdochka shipyard in August 2010 was caused by nothing more than an explosion aboard a submarine. Simply put, the deceased Sindurakshak has already gone through a similar situation - in February, a hydrogen explosion thundered on its 2010 board (the reason was a defective battery valve). The only victim of the previous incident was a sailor from the crew of the submarine.



Brief technical information

INS Sindhurakshak (S63) is one of the 10 submarines of the Indian Navy, built according to the 877EKM project (export, capitalist, modernized). Belongs to the family of "Varshavyanok".
Diesel-electric boats of this family have no analogues in the world in terms of the “secrecy” parameter - due to the absence of humming pumps of reactor circuits, powerful refrigerators and thundering turbo-gear units (steam turbines with a gearbox), the level of external noise “Varshavianok” (the so-called “ black holes) is lower than that of any of the foreign-built atomic submarines.

By the time of its death, Sindurakshak managed to serve 16 for years - the boat was laid in 1995 at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg, launched in June 1997 and transferred to the customer in December of the same year.

Length - 72,6 m, width - 10 meters, draft - 7 meters.

Displacement (underwater / surface) - 2325 / 3076 tons;

Crew - up to 70 people;

The power plant is diesel-electric with full electric propulsion. It consists of two diesel generators, a rowing electric motor (5500 hp), an economic stroke electric motor (190 hp) and two backup electric motors. xnumx horsepower motors Submerged movement is provided by two groups of rechargeable batteries with 100 cells each. There is a snorkel (a device for operating a diesel engine under water when the boat is moving at a periscope depth).

Speed:
- in the surface position - 10 knots.
- submerged - 17 knots.
- submerged (under the snorkel) - 9 knots.

Working depth immersion 240 meters, maximum - 300 meters;

Autonomy - up to 45 days (with a reduced crew size);

Armament:

- Six 533 mm caliber torpedo tubes with automatic reloading and 18 ammunition from torpedoes, mines and cruise missiles. The following can be used as ammunition: 53-65 self-guided torpedoes with passive acoustic guidance, TEST 71 / 76 torpedoes with active self-guidance on the target, DM-1 mines (up to 24 pieces), anti-ship missiles, and you will have to use the object, as if you are using a non-XMNUMX missile with a missile DM-54 (up to 1 pieces) Sea-based cruise missiles ZM14E with a range of up to 300 km are elements of the Russian Club-S complex.

- A set of Strela-9 34K3 MANPADS is used as self-defense systems.


Interior of the central post INS Sindhurakshak (S63)

Marginalia

Catastrophic fires and explosions at the Naval Navy when the ships are in the shipyard, in the port, close to their shores, without any interference from the enemy - the events are regular and, I am not afraid to say, inevitable. It is enough to name only three names - the Japanese battleship “Mutsu”, the British aircraft carrier “Desher” or the Soviet BPC “Brave” to understand the full extent of the tragedies. No particular ship or class of ships is immune from such incidents.

However, the same statement is true for any field of technology - aviation, railway transport ... Neither competent operation, nor timely service, nor high-quality training of personnel can guarantee 100% protection against force majeure incidents. Various automatic monitoring and warning systems, “protection from the fool” - all this only reduces the likelihood of accidents and helps to localize their consequences.

As for the submarine fleet, regular reports of accidents in the submarine compartments are already depressing. But the thick loop of emergency and disasters in the submarine fleet has a number of logical explanations.
For example, in many modern naval forces the number of submarines exceeds the number of all large surface ships combined.

Small fish are relatively cheap to build and operate, while extremely useful and effective - because of this, their number is usually in the tens. And this is not only about Russia / USSR, where, as is known, submariners have always been given priority - for example, by the number of atomic submarines, American sailors confidently caught up with the Russians - over the past 60 years, the Yankees riveted over 200 nuclear submarines (USSR / Russia - 250 + ). Compare this armada with the number of built cruisers or aircraft carriers, and you will immediately feel the difference.

Based on the laws of the theory of probability, the probability of occurrence of an emergency on submarines should be higher, and the misfortunes themselves should occur more often. Perhaps it is here that lies the reason for the infamous opinion of submarines, as the "steel coffins."

Probability is a ghostly and unreliable substance. Will the expected event occur? An old maxim knows only one answer: 50 to 50. Either it happens - or not, everything else - the boring and useless conjectures of theorists.

Therefore, another, no less important factor directly affecting the safe operation of ships is TECHNOLOGY.

In terms of service and operation, submarines are by no means the safest class of ships: very dense layout and accumulation on board of such gloomy things as numerous batteries, nuclear reactors and a huge amount of weapons - from primitive mines to dozens of underwater ballistic missiles - All this makes service on a submarine an extremely difficult and dangerous event.

The tight layout and limited compartment sizes make it difficult to access machinery and equipment, and the closed volume of the submarine puts the crew in front of a simple condition: any problem (fire, flooding, chlorine release from the battery) will have to be solved here and now by the number of funds - just like that, any time, to remove the upper hatch and escape, having run out on the upper deck, will not work. “Where are you going with a submarine?”

And problems on the boat often arise. The scourge of all "diesel" - toxic and dangerous emissions from the battery.
Many submariners died, poisoned by chlorine, or were torn apart by the terrible explosive power of hydrogen, which imperceptibly penetrated into the compartments during battery recharging. Already, before the official investigative activities aboard the Sindurakshak, the assumption of an explosion of hydrogen released from the batteries sounds more and more clearly - that night the battery was recharging on the boat. It is noteworthy that the first explosion at Sindurakshak was also associated with a battery failure.



In addition to hydrogen, there are other explosive things on boats — for example, torpedo or rocket ammunition. It is with this situation that one of the worst tragedies in stories of the Russian Navy - an explosion of torpedoes on a submarine B-37 in 1962 year. The victims of the explosion were 122 people (59 - crew B-37, 11 more - on moored nearby С-350, and 52 from the sailors who were at that moment on the pier).

A day after the catastrophe, the world's media spread the message that an ammunition detonation had occurred on the Sindurakshak. Now the main task is to find out if this was the root cause of the explosion that destroyed the submarine? Or again submariners summed up the battery? And if so, then whose fault is the flaw in the Russian shipbuilders (it’s scary to think about it, until all the facts indicate that this is not so) or the inadequate use of equipment by Indian sailors ...



Iranian submarine type "Varshavyanka" (Kilo-class by NATO classification), Mediterranean, 1995 year

“Varshavyanka” has already been in service with eight countries of the world for 30 years - “black holes” have recommended themselves from the best side and still enjoy certain success in the international market of naval armaments. For example, the Chinese Navy has been using 12 Varshawianki for many years (877, 636 and 636М), but no serious accidents have been noted here. Now it's up to the Indian experts. The management of Zvezdochka also plans to send its own working group to the crash site.

But, whatever the conclusions of the Indian state commission, the loss of a Russian-made submarine will be a serious test for Russian-Indian relations in the field of arms supplies. No sooner had the Indians celebrated the entry into service of the frigate Trikand (29 June 2013) and rejoiced at the epic with “Vikramaditya”, which was nearing completion, followed by a new blow from an unexpected direction.

The death of Sindurakshak is undoubtedly a high-profile event on a global scale. In such cases, the main result of the work of government commissions should be the announcement of the cause of the tragedy and the development of measures to prevent the recurrence of such situations. What will tell the night bombing in Bombay?

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  1. Nayhas
    Nayhas 15 August 2013 07: 59 New
    +5
    If we take the chain of events with submarines recently Yekaterinburg, Miami and Sindurakshak, then the cause of the disaster is different everywhere.
    Yekaterinburg is a violation of safety during welding, this is the scourge of Russia, we regularly have fires for this reason, buildings, ships, bridges are burning ...
    Miami - deliberate arson
    Sindurakshak - the question is not clear yet. ““ Kilo-class submarines do not have automatic monitoring systems, and the charge level of each battery must be checked manually, ”said one of the Indian sailors who served on the boat. He explained that 500 boats need to be charged several times a year, namely a large number Manual operations are explained by the fact that there were many people in the compartments of the boat.According to the Indian sailor interviewed by Indiatoday, the hydrogen generated by the batteries during charging is pumped out by means of pumps through flexible air ducts, whose position is not necessity to constantly monitor. He added that if the situation of these ducts are not traced, hydrogen begins to mix with the air and accumulate in compartments, where it can be ignited by any spark. " Those. blame the sub device itself. If this is so, then why twice and on Sindurakshak?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 August 2013 08: 41 New
      12
      Quote: Oleg Kaptsov
      Yankees riveted over 200 submarines (USSR / Russia - 250+)


      Yes, there were times every year the USSR launched 7-8 submarines. Now it’s like science fiction, but fact Every second diesel submarine in the world is made in the USSR.

      Quote: Oleg Kaptsov
      or to blame for the improper exploitation of equipment by Indian sailors ...


      Probably. There they have not yet learned how to use the toilets (they hang up the instructions) and they called Varshavyanka
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        1. Santa Fe
          15 August 2013 09: 10 New
          +3
          Vadim, I agree with you; Hindus are better off riding a chaise rather than submarines
          Quote: Vadivak
          toilets have not yet learned to use (hang instructions)

          It is everywhere
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 15 August 2013 11: 54 New
            +5
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Hindus are better off riding a chaise rather than submarines

            Oh, in vain so short-sightedly argue dear!
            For me personally, the lack of automation in the process of recharging batteries remains a big question. In order to reduce the role of the human factor.
            And I absolutely do not believe in chance with this DEPL.
            Sworn friends make repeated efforts to compromise the defense products of the defense industry complex of the Russian Federation. Well, ours, too, no, no, yes add some.
            And India is needed by all neighbors, as a strong state to reduce the pressure of the Saxons, the mattress and neutralize everyone else (China, Pakistan, Japan)
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 15 August 2013 12: 03 New
              10
              Quote: Papakiko
              All neighbors need India as a strong state


              Just neighbors, India as a strong state is by no means because its neighbors are Pakistan and China. But the fact that the Americans and NATO countries are gradually recapturing the Indian arms market traditional for the USSR of Russia is a fact.
            2. Botanologist
              Botanologist 15 August 2013 13: 42 New
              +2
              I bet the charging cables were stolen (the boat was being charged from the shore), and so it passed somewhere in the compartment. While waking up - hello to the family.
              And it’s not a boat matter - it’s the general attitude of the Indians towards the regulations and technical conditions. I don’t care.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 15 August 2013 21: 19 New
                +4
                Quote: Botanologist
                I bet the charging cables were stolen (the boat was charging from the shore),

                The boat would not be able to stand up for charging the batteries if the power cables were “stolen”. Usually involved in this operation is 100% l / s warhead-5 and general ship watch. The boat is intensively ventilated through the end, the chemical composition of the air is analyzed.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 15 August 2013 21: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: Vadivak
        There they have not yet learned how to use the toilets (they hang up the instructions) and they called Varshavyanka

        The irony for the uninitiated is understandable, but some submariners had the opportunity to observe the consequences of improper use of underwater latrine ... when they did not release the residual pressure ...
        So, the Instruction is quite appropriate, especially for land inspectors from the Moscow Region.
        1. old man54
          old man54 15 August 2013 23: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: BoA KAA
          but some submariners had the opportunity to observe the consequences of improper use of underwater latrine ... when they did not release the residual pressure ..

          good laughing laughing
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 16 August 2013 10: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: BoA KAA
          So, the Instruction is quite appropriate, especially for land inspectors from the Moscow Region.


          Alexander I did not write about naval latrines, but about land toilets if that.
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 15 August 2013 14: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: Nayhas
      Those. blame the sub device itself. If this is so, then why twice and on Sindurakshak?


      The first time by gouging. It is obvious. 30 of these boats go across the seas and not a single one has yet cawed, apparently and is not going to if they do not help.

      The second time is more of a diversion or terrorist attack. Too much has come together in a heap, and time and place and consequences. The video clearly shows three separate explosions, maybe there are more, but three are clearly visible. The first one is orange, an external explosive device not very strong in my opinion, which was blown up under water. The next two are flashes of bright white, brighter than the sun. Color like a magnesium flash. Most likely from detonated ammunition. It’s bad that there is no sound on the video.
    3. experienced
      experienced 16 August 2013 10: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Nayhas
      If this is so, then why twice and on Sindurakshak?

      We can write anything here, but the reality is that it is beneficial for the Indians to blame that there were some mistakes in the design of the boat, and it is beneficial for Russia to blame the Indians for non-compliance with TB and the "human factor". Apparently the struggle is not comic. While our specialists are not allowed to the emergency site, apparently there is something to hide.
      Representatives of the guarantee group of the Severodvinsk ship repair center Zvezdochka, which was doing modernization on the sunken submarine of the Indian Navy Sindurakshak, said on Friday that they had not been allowed to the scene at the port of Mumbai for the third day.

      “I was told that they won’t let us go there in the near future. All my attempts are in vain", - the representative of the group told ITAR-TASS.

      Earlier, the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), which includes the Zvyozdochka CS, said the intention to send specialists to India to assist in the investigation of an emergency with a Russian-made submarine.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 16 August 2013 11: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        We can write anything here, but the reality is that it is beneficial for the Indians to blame that there were some mistakes in the design of the boat, and it is beneficial for Russia to blame the Indians for non-compliance with TB and the "human factor". Apparently the struggle is not comic. While our specialists are not allowed to the emergency site, apparently there is something to hide.


        Good afternoon, Alex hi
        Last info
        Media: India will ask Russia to help in the investigation of an emergency with a submarine
        The Indian Navy, which owned the sunken Russian-made Sindurakshak submarine, intends to ask Russian specialists to join the investigation into the emergency.
        more details http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/8/16/645892.html
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 16 August 2013 17: 06 New
          +1
          from what the press writes:

          _loading of the ammunition of the boat went at the same time as charging the batteries (which is strictly prohibited).
    4. StolzSS
      StolzSS 17 August 2013 13: 14 New
      0
      Because there is a cunt on this boat, or was there, that’s why ....
      As regrettable as it may sound. Plus, in the database, people relax and their vigilance decreases ....
  2. strange and pretty meaningless
    strange and pretty meaningless 15 August 2013 08: 10 New
    +2
    More moose - less moose ... This is with regards to USS Miami (SSN-755) - where, Mlyn, it was to build 62 pennants. Shitty luyev. It’s interesting - why didn’t that painter dump into the “Sheremetyevo transit zone” wassat The joke.
  3. Trailer
    Trailer 15 August 2013 08: 19 New
    +4
    In karma. The day before the tragedy, they launched a new nuclear submarine. And the next day - the death of the boat.
    1. knn54
      knn54 15 August 2013 17: 49 New
      +1
      -Karavan: In karma.
      Everyone believes in bad signs. And the Indians also pray for them.
      WHERE is "protection from the fool."
      -Submarins die without a fight.
      But it can "sink" the export of Russian weapons.
  4. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 15 August 2013 09: 04 New
    +2
    This is very bad news. And the first thought is DIVERSION. Judge for yourself, two days before this, the Indians launched their first aircraft carrier and the first SSBN. And then immediately bang! Something is suspicious. Is it not the machinations of Chinese "friends" who are lagging behind in the sea race?
    1. duke
      duke 15 August 2013 10: 49 New
      +6
      nothing can be ruled out, but these boats are used by China, Vietnam, etc. and with us, but nowhere else was there anything like this with batteries. In general, hydrogen is used not only on ours, but also on western boats. The machinations cannot be ruled out either, only I believe not the Chinese, but the Pakistanis or our competitors who are interested in knocking out a competitor and vparivat Indians, such as "Scorpions" or German projects ...
      We cannot exclude the ability of the Indians to ruin the most reliable equipment, for example, take the MiG-21, so many disasters with them were not anywhere else, as indeed with the British “Hawk”.
      1. Windbreak
        Windbreak 15 August 2013 15: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: duke
        whether our competitors who are interested in knocking out a competitor and vparivat Indians, such as "Scorpions"
        They were so steamed a few years ago.
  5. awg75
    awg75 15 August 2013 09: 17 New
    +9
    the technique, even the most advanced, in the hands of a savage is a pile of scrap metal ... it has always been and always will be
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 15 August 2013 11: 48 New
      14
      A little bit about the Hindu claims to the quality of Russian weapons:

      "The Hindus claimed low-quality tank guns on the purchased T-90S: they shot a couple of times - and that’s it, the gun was scrapped. Although even at the conclusion of the contracts, we immediately warned the Indians that we also need to buy shells from us, or, in extreme cases, use other, but satisfying the characteristics specified in the contract.And shells produced at an Indian factory (curves even visually!) - It’s better to just throw it out, cheaper. But the Indians decided to save and began to use their own, Indian, shells. As a result - a bunch of ruined tank According to the results of the investigation, India had no complaints against Russia ... And at the same time, it additionally bought from us a batch of tank barrels (instead of destroyed ones) and a large batch of our shells ...

      The Indian military claimed the Krasnopol low-quality corrected shells: they only bought it a couple of years ago, and half have deteriorated. Although even at the conclusion of contracts, our company immediately offered Krasnopoli in a tropical version, but, of course, more expensive than ordinary ones. The Hindus decided to save money and bought ordinary ones ... When our commission arrived in India, it was surprised to find that the shells were stored at positions right under the open sky - in the jungle! in the tropics! under the showers! under the scorching sun! In most cases, there wasn’t even any kind of canopy ... No, our shells can withstand such mocking conditions, but not for 2 consecutive years! Although the contract clearly defines the storage conditions - the usual conditions of weapons depots. According to the results of the investigation, India again had no complaints against Russia ... And at the same time began negotiations on the purchase of an additional batch of our Krasnopoli in a tropical version ... "

      http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/exclusive/view/60542/

      When all conceivable and inconceivable instructions are violated, it turns out like this.
      1. ankh-andrej
        ankh-andrej 15 August 2013 12: 48 New
        +5
        Gorshkov was also warned that asbestos should be used on boilers, and the Indians insisted on brick. The result is damage. Now remade asbestos.
      2. old man54
        old man54 15 August 2013 13: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: Ulysses
        But the Indians decided to save money and began to use their, Indian, shells. Eventually

        Quote: Ulysses
        offered "Krasnopoli" in a tropical performance, but, of course, more expensive than ordinary. Hindus decided to save and bought ordinary ..

        and the Indians are shaking !! lol I didn’t know ...
        There is an ancient dictum: "avaricious pays twice!"
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      4. Proud.
        Proud. 15 August 2013 15: 40 New
        +5
        Maybe in the subject, maybe not. We have Indian citizens studying at one of the universities. I went up to one of them (they took exams, switched to the 5th year), with the question: "What does this cute orange spot on the forehead mean? ". In reply:" Prayer. "I ask, more reinforcing the question with gestures:" Have you prepared, taught? ". In response, a broad smile and an orienting gesture with his head, reinforced by the answer:" NO! "
  6. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 15 August 2013 10: 50 New
    +4
    INS Sindhurakshak (S63) - one of the 10 submarines of the Indian Navy, built on the project 877EKM (export, capitalist, modernized).
    Interestingly, what was (is) a "socialist" project? The sailors of the dead are sorry, the more offensive that almost off the coast!
  7. kaptri
    kaptri 15 August 2013 11: 00 New
    +6
    And you need to constantly monitor the battery. There should not even be other thoughts. Every 4 hours, hydrogen is measured. And if the Indians think differently - they will not have boats.
  8. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 15 August 2013 11: 10 New
    +2
    “Varshavyanki” have been in service with eight countries for 30 years already - “black holes” have proven their worth and are still enjoying some success on the international maritime arms market. For example, the Chinese Navy has been operating the 12 Varshavyanka for many years ( etc. 877, 636 and 636М), but not a single serious accident was noted here. " and here it is already the second incident on this one, there was nothing Indian on the rest, although reloading was carried out. Is the question the same crew? The boat after repair worked 1000 hours under water.
    "The INS Sindhurakshak submarine had undergone extensive refurbishing in Russia last year and had over 1000 hours of diving after that, he said."
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ins-sindhurakshak-catastrophe-negative-indicat
    ion-on-survivors-says-indian-navy-chief / 1155499 /
  9. ed65b
    ed65b 15 August 2013 11: 17 New
    +4
    Hindus are so-so sailors, most likely a crew error, but that is what the Indian defense mine would prefer to say. Here as ours will tickle. Condolences to the family and friends of submariners.
  10. Ulysses
    Ulysses 15 August 2013 11: 37 New
    +9
    According to the latest data. the explosion occurred while charging the batteries from the shore power source.
    Moreover, the batteries on the boat are INDIAN production.
    In general, the usual distribution .... in and non-compliance with TB.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 August 2013 12: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: Ulysses
      In general, the usual distribution .... in and non-compliance with TB.


      What are we talking about. Varshavyanka remain one of the most reliable and trouble-free boats in the world

      In India, everyone who wants to take the army is from the age of 17 (and according to some sources - 15 years), one of the most powerful weapons of the Indian army is hysterical laughter, to which the enemy movements of Indian soldiers can bring the enemy.
      1. Orik
        Orik 15 August 2013 13: 11 New
        +3
        I don’t know how many years they have been joining the Indian army, but a familiar Indian was surprised in the 90s that we were paid money to kill the army. They pay money to get into the army. in a very poor country, this is a guarantee for a lifetime. Under such conditions, the choice is great and "everyone" cannot get, but no one canceled corruption.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 15 August 2013 15: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: Orik
          . They pay money to get into the army. in a very poor country, this is a guarantee for life


          So the most "educated" youth goes there, for guarantees, to devour and get dressed. But the submarine is still a technique, it has not only a kitchen and a dining room, but also many other mechanisms
    2. ankh-andrej
      ankh-andrej 15 August 2013 12: 52 New
      +2
      According to the latest data. the explosion occurred while charging the batteries from the shore power source.

      The explosion occurred in the torpedo compartment, the boat sank as a result of the ingress of water, as well as due to the large volumes of water used to extinguish the fire, the admiral said.
      http://warfiles.ru/show-36598-osk-napravit-gruppu-specialistov-v-indiyu-dlya-ust
      anovleniya-prichin-vzryva-na-depl-sindurakshak.html
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 15 August 2013 13: 20 New
        +5
        infographics and video materials in the topic

      2. Ulysses
        Ulysses 15 August 2013 13: 37 New
        +4
        The nose group of batteries is located in the torpedo compartment. smile
  11. doktor_alex
    doktor_alex 15 August 2013 13: 34 New
    +8
    In this whole situation, only one thing bothers me, in all the news, the emphasis for some reason is put on the fact that it is a boat of RUSSIAN manufacture, and only just went through modernization in RUSSIA on Zvezdochka, from which it seems that the cause of the accident is Russian production and modernization ... .with appropriate comments after such articles, in the style of "Tajiks did everything from papierme, we don’t know how much Iruka from (_ | _) grows. It's a shame ....
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 15 August 2013 15: 25 New
      +2
      in all the news, the emphasis for some reason is put on the fact that this is a boat of RUSSIAN manufacture, and only just went through modernization in RUSSIA

      Not only in this news. The whole information system works like this.
  12. sub307
    sub307 15 August 2013 13: 37 New
    16
    I myself served at DEPL for 10 years. According to this fact I can tell:
    - explosions of the air-hydrogen mixture on diesel-electric submarines occurred relatively often, well periodically here and there. Sometimes with rather devastating consequences. After the introduction of the AB ventilation system in a closed cycle (in my first 641B project), the number of such incidents decreased significantly. In any case, nothing similar happened on PLPL 641B during the operation of all 18 buildings - not a single explosion. In addition, automatic control over the% hydrogen content in the atmosphere of accumulator pits and battery compartments — gas analyzers TP-1116M — were installed on these PLPLs. They worked, and most likely work to this day, they are pretty reliable, with appropriate maintenance;
    - on PLPL 877pr. and all others based on it, the aforementioned equipment was in the presence of 100%;
    - what happened on the Sindurakshak submarine that night is now reliably known only to Allah, since there are no witnesses to what is happening in the solid building. The conclusions of the commission in any scenario will now be based on assumptions based on the experience of operating the diesel-electric submarines of this and previous projects.
    Create conditions for the explosion of air-vodor. mixes on this submarine still need to "try":
    - incorrectly prepare the ventilation system;
    - disable automatic gas analyzers that produce a loud sound signal when the readings approach critical values ​​(turn off the alarm. (I assume that the boat is new, the repair is fresh in the sense, everything should "plow" as it should);
    - so it turns out that if it started with an explosion of explosive mixture - the notorious people crawl out onto the “scene”. factor. It is alarming, they gave the information that a similar incident on this submarine was in 2010. In which particular compartment is not reported.
    - and such another thought: when I first got acquainted with these boats in the standby mode, it seemed to me that something was wrong here - the battery pit in the torpedo compartment? Let the flooring be airtight, hydrogen automation, afterburning furnaces ... and still - either the batteries or the ammunition are not in place. But this is my subjective feeling.
    - this is another moment: I don’t know exactly what conditions need to be created for the detonation of shelving torpedoes, given the fact that torpedoes are on the shelves without fuses, at least. Fuses (from our practice) are stored separately, in another compartment, or in a sealed enclosure. Although, who knows how Indians are accepted there.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 August 2013 22: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: sub307
      I don’t know exactly what conditions need to be created for the detonation of shelving torpedoes, given the fact that torpedoes are on the shelves without fuses,

      Good evening, colleague. From the video kindly provided by Apollo, it follows that at first a fire broke out on the submarine. What caused it? Explosion of an air-hydrogen mixture or short circuit?
      Further: an Indian witness (from civilians) says that at first the noise of a working jet engine was heard, then a strong explosion occurred. "Clabs" cannot - they are encapsulated. I don’t know how the Brahmos are kept by the Indians. But from the "evidence" it follows that the main engine of the Kyrgyz Republic started. Well, then detonation ... THAT is difficult to undermine, but RO - it can very well be. IMHO.
    2. denisco
      denisco 16 August 2013 02: 51 New
      0
      remember the tragedy in Bhapal, there, too, had to try to bring to bad, because in fact they managed
  13. rudolff
    rudolff 15 August 2013 13: 40 New
    10
    Maybe it’s worth it to wait at least for the preliminary results of the disaster investigation before starting to joke on the “savages” who cannot use the toilet too? And are mockings generally appropriate when people burned alive?
    I can hardly imagine that when charging the battery at the pier, the forced ventilation system was not turned on. It’s like “Our Father” for the believer. And whether the batteries were charged at all is not a fact. The boat was preparing for military service, respectively, and weapons were being prepared. According to the regulations, torpedoes equipped with devices are equipped with fuses and are removed from the fuses. In addition to torpedoes, missiles were probably on board. Anything could happen!
    And the "savages" who "do not know how to use toilets" and we have more than enough!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 August 2013 16: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: rudolff
      before you begin to joke on the "savages" who "do not know how to use the toilet"?


      In vain you are not a banter. This is the harsh truth of life.
      Exposure
      "men chew constantly dried pieces of different odorous plants, they are sold in small bags everywhere. Some of them contain tobacco. So when they chew, their saliva turns orange, so you can see where they spit ... We have the whole house dirty, the elevator, absolutely spit that's all! And these people live right there. Food waste in 10 minutes is taken away by crows, squirrels and chipmunks, garbage is thrown from the porch. "
      Mothers of Indian girls are required from grooms to equip the future "family nest" with a normal toilet before getting married. "No toilet - no bride"
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 August 2013 22: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      According to the regulations, torpedoes equipped with devices are equipped with fuses and are removed from the fuses.

      Yes, but only the "transport" stage. Finally, the torpedo “cocked” when it leaves the TA pipe and passes 180-250m.
      Quote: rudolff
      In addition to torpedoes, missiles were probably on board. Anything could happen!

      Most likely! I personally sin on him. (Comet see above)
      In general, I really liked your seasoned, balanced post. That the ventilation system was checked according to the CR on the preparation of systems and mechanisms for charging the battery from the shore, THIS is like our Father! Right
  14. rudolff
    rudolff 15 August 2013 14: 02 New
    +5
    sub307, the design of the boat Rubinovsky, and they were constantly presented with complaints about the placement of the bow group of the battery in the torpedo compartment. But they probably weigh the boat more important than its safety. On many projects of the Central Design Bureau Rubin, including nuclear submarines, a similar arrangement of batteries.
    And about the gas analyzers ... In the 89th, Komsomolets went to sea altogether with an idle gas analyzer of the 7th compartment. Like, a portable device is enough. As a result, they did not notice that the oxygen content was several percent higher than normal.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 August 2013 22: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      In the 89th Komsomolets went to sea altogether with an idle gas analyzer of the 7th compartment. Like, a portable device is enough.

      Diesel submariners will confirm: when the battery starts to “gas” it is immediately felt by the bladder. Antimony hydrogen drives every half hour. There is a hydrogen afterburner. The base is stored in a safe: the catalyst in it is a platinum thread. So, everyone looked, ran into the latrine, and no one could imagine (85g) that instead of platinum, there has long been a silver thread. The KGB was engaged. We found a "excellent student" (senior MS, chemist) who made a homemade chain for his girlfriend.
      This is so, by the way.
      1. old man54
        old man54 15 August 2013 23: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: BoA KAA
        We found a "excellent student" (senior MS, chemist) who made a homemade chain for his girlfriend.

        is this a chain of eggs he wasn’t ripped off later, the hero-lover ?? fool
  15. ed65b
    ed65b 15 August 2013 16: 00 New
    +3
    Only now I read that the explosion occurred due to a crew error when loading missiles.
  16. High speed
    High speed 15 August 2013 16: 19 New
    +1
    In the background, the felling of two Project 941 Sharks is visible.

    Not cuttings, but pull-out guards smile
  17. High speed
    High speed 15 August 2013 16: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: rudolff
    On many projects of the Central Design Bureau Rubin, including nuclear submarines, a similar arrangement of batteries.


    That's for sure. On Kursk, torpedoes explode in 1 compartment - AB destroyed, i.e. long emergency lighting no. Remained short-term emergency stationary (4 hours), and portable (lights, well, if the declared 6 hours): o (
  18. kanifas
    kanifas 15 August 2013 16: 39 New
    +2
    What nonsense they write in the article, in addition to hydrogen, chlorine will also be released when charging AB.
    1. Santa Fe
      15 August 2013 18: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: kanifas
      What nonsense they write in the article, in addition to hydrogen, chlorine will also be released when charging AB.

      Splash in the battery with sea water and be surprised. Not only is the liberated gas mixture (hydrogen with chlorine) deadly poisonous, it also explodes even when exposed to electric light
      1. mamba
        mamba 15 August 2013 23: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Not only is the liberated gas mixture (hydrogen with chlorine) deadly poisonous, it also explodes even when exposed to electric light

        The reaction of a hydrogen compound with chlorine occurs in the light and is accompanied by an explosion:
        H2 + Cl2 → 2HCl
  19. Bugor
    Bugor 15 August 2013 17: 02 New
    +3
    Quote; ...the level of external noise of the Varshavyanka (the so-called “black holes”) is lower than that of any of the foreign-built nuclear submarines.
    I can add that the snow is much colder than water, and the black square is not at all as sweet as the green felt-tip pen.
    1. loft79
      loft79 15 August 2013 21: 23 New
      0
      Well, why joke over the author. He probably meant the whole range of submarines. And that the US has no diesel engines. lol Although the banter is good)
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 16 August 2013 10: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: loft79
        the USA has no diesel engines


        Enough in NATO. A thunderstorm of American aircraft carriers at NATO exercises - the Dutch Walrus-type submarine - successfully overcome numerous anti-submarine cordons and attack the main targets - American nuclear carriers
        1. loft79
          loft79 16 August 2013 11: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Vadivak
          main goals - american nuclear carriers

          Correctly. When did Holland fight? and does she need it? If that they will be like the Swedes in WWII. It's about the USA.

          Mlyn people you noticed that the script is worth changing words like! N! And! N! D! O! S! S to other am
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 16 August 2013 14: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: loft79
            Correctly. When did Holland fight?


            Well, .... with her with Holland, Germany, how will a NATO member arrange? For example, the 212th project is the electric part of the power plant, which consists of nine proton-exchange fuel cells manufactured by Siemens and 144 silver-zinc batteries.
            1. loft79
              loft79 17 August 2013 09: 53 New
              0
              Quote: Vadivak
              Germany how will the NATO man arrange?

              All the same questions. Do they need it or not? Nato as a marine unit does not represent anything. IMHO.
  20. solomon
    solomon 15 August 2013 17: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: awg75
    the technique, even the most advanced, in the hands of a savage is a pile of scrap metal ...

    It turns out both Indians savages and Americans ....
  21. a52333
    a52333 15 August 2013 17: 48 New
    +1
    Those are still warriors Scroll a minute, then it’s interesting
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 15 August 2013 17: 57 New
      +6
      It seems the situation is starting to clear up.

      On the exploded submarine "Sindurakshak" were installed Indian batteries


      Moscow. 15 August. INTERFAX.RU - During the modernization of the Sindurakshak diesel-electric submarine of the Indian Navy at the Zvezdochka Shipbuilding Center (Severodvinsk), it, in particular, replaced Russian-made batteries with Indian batteries, a Russian shipbuilding source told Interfax on Thursday. industry.

      He clarified that the batteries were replaced at the request of the customer.

      According to one version, an explosion on a submarine could occur due to a hydrogen leak from the battery pit and the combination of loading ammunition and charging batteries, which Absolutely forbidden.

      http://www.interfax.ru/news.asp?id=323674
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 15 August 2013 23: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        Combining operations on loading ammunition and charging batteries, which is strictly prohibited.

        Ammunition loading is carried out by the BATTLE ALARM, when the WHOLE crew is on board and at the combat posts. There were only 18 people on the boat. Probably conducted routine maintenance on materiel, as is always the case with an autonomous entity.
        Power surge, false triggering of the BIUS - starting the main engine ...
    2. QWERTY
      QWERTY 15 August 2013 18: 46 New
      +3
      Like cocks in front of chickens ... idiocy
      1. mamba
        mamba 15 August 2013 23: 46 New
        0
        Quote: ytsuken
        Like cocks in front of chickens ... idiocy

        Oriental exotic: looks wild and funny. It looks like the current of turukhtans:
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 August 2013 19: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: a52333
      Scroll further interesting

      Poorly. that when they walk they don’t sing.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 16 August 2013 15: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Poorly. that when they walk they don’t sing.


        On the contrary, it’s good. Have you watched Indian films?
    4. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 15 August 2013 22: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: a52333
      Scroll further interesting

      In the country, many cockroaches have to be trampled upon.
      Nevertheless, the Hindus very successfully fought in the third Indo-Pakistani war of 1971. Both the Air Force and the Navy were successful, and showed quite good results. And force majeure situations are everywhere.
  22. Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 15 August 2013 18: 29 New
    +6
    The Indian society is still divided into castes, and as the experience of our "workers and peasants" shows, all the problems of society are always present in the army, and in a more vivid, harsh expression. Why am I doing this? And the fact that the mini-Führer is thinking of what kind of soldier (sailor) in India is, and they are sure that they know and are able to do better than anyone, because - CASTA! Even with our advisers sometimes slipped - "you say, show that, where and how much, and I have more brains, because I'm brahma ...". Until you poke your face (and then, face to face, with witnesses - choke), he will scream that he did everything right and could not be mistaken from God.
  23. xomaNN
    xomaNN 15 August 2013 18: 44 New
    +3
    This loss of submarines will go around for a long time to the Russian ship, even if they find that the Indians misused the boat. Competitors will maximize interest in this event.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 17 August 2013 00: 34 New
      0
      Of course. But if it turns out that this is really our design mistake ...
  24. chehywed
    chehywed 15 August 2013 21: 21 New
    +3
    As the investigation later established, the “enemy” was the 24-year-old painter Casey J. Fury - late for a date, the young Herostratus set fire to a rag in one of the rooms and with a pure heart left the workplace under the howl of fire brigade sirens.


    I alone did not see the logic in his actions?
    1. Anat1974
      Anat1974 15 August 2013 22: 22 New
      +4
      Its logic: set fire to a rag- emergency start of the fire extinguishing system- personnel evacuation- shortened working day- That's it! Date.
      As Mikhail Zadornov would say: Well, stupid Americans, well, stupid. It would be better to squint that the stomach hurts. Or that my mother sent for milk (anyway, according to his quick wits, he probably was 7-8 years old and everyone would have believed it)
    2. Santa Fe
      15 August 2013 22: 26 New
      +2
      As the investigation later established, the 24-year-old painter Casey J. Fury turned out to be the “enemy” - being late for a date, the young Herostratus set fire to a rag in one of the rooms and left his workplace with a pure heart under the howl of fire brigade sirens.
      Quote: chehywed
      I alone did not see the logic in his actions?

      The reason for the early completion of the shift. Take note of everything)))
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 15 August 2013 23: 27 New
        0
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        The reason for the early completion of the shift.

        Quote: Anat1974
        Its logic: set fire to a rag- emergency start of the fire extinguishing system- personnel evacuation- shortened working day- That's it! Date

        No, men, I didn’t understand: burn everything with a clear flame,Because "peak smokes"? In the second year of service, the deputy politician declared to me: “And you turn out to be ... open!” I was proud! And now I feel worthless !!! laughing
        "
      2. mamba
        mamba 15 August 2013 23: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        The reason for the early completion of the shift. Take note of everything)))

        At our enterprise, printers have long been practicing this method of rest after lunch or at the end of a shift: they will break something electronic in the car, call an electronic engineer and get naughty while he is looking for a malfunction. Even piecework, but at a low salary, does not stimulate effective work.
  25. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 15 August 2013 22: 00 New
    +1
    Do not be surprised if they find signs of sabotage.
  26. walter_rus
    walter_rus 16 August 2013 00: 58 New
    0
    I will not say that I know the truth in the last resort, but as an information for reflection, one employee who worked in India in the field of arms supplies said that there is still a strong caste division of society. And therefore, officers belonging to a higher caste are not at all concerned about the training of subordinates, and the soldier or sailor is simply even afraid to ask the commander something. I think this is the most probable reason, although any others are not excluded. In addition to the fact that people died, the bad thing is that this incident may give rise to India curtailing cooperation with us in the military sphere (which, to put it mildly, is not on the rise). Therefore, the designers should have provided for double (triple, etc.) protection from the "human factor" for such complex weapons.
  27. rudolff
    rudolff 16 August 2013 01: 15 New
    +2
    Any intense burning is essentially gas generating. And in conditions of limited compartment volume, it leads to a sharp increase in pressure. Any hatch opened in such a compartment turns into a kind of rocket nozzle emitting a characteristic roaring sound of a rocket. This is me about that Indian who heard something similar before the next explosion. That is, perhaps it was not the sound of a rocket engine, as such, but caused by volume intra-compartment ignition.
    1. old man54
      old man54 16 August 2013 18: 44 New
      +1
      Logically Rudolph! But ... what kind of fire should there be then, so that people would hear a sound for many hundreds of meters and confuse it with the sound of a jet engine? hi
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 17 August 2013 00: 46 New
      0
      This is true. But intra-compartment inflammation, how voluminous should it be? The compartment from the match does not light up, and if the LOC comes on, it can easily cope.
  28. rudolff
    rudolff 16 August 2013 21: 16 New
    +1
    Hi Andrew! The fire is very intense, both in speed and volume. Already, even the sucker did not have time to work or was ineffective. If the boat was underwater in the sea and the watch compartments splashed the level of oxygen, then it would be possible to sin on anything. As it turned out after the death of Komsomolets, even with a slight excess of the oxygen level, titanium begins to burn. Rubber, plastic, oils may not be mentioned. But since the boat was at the pier, there is no need to sin on the excess of oxygen. There are three main options. The evolution of hydrogen from the battery, the ignition of cartridges of the regeneration system and weapons. Ignition of electric torpedoes is unlikely, there were no thick ones. Missiles remain. Which specifically, I don’t know. Either from the Club nomenclature, or they use their Brahmos. Since the boat was preparing for BS, then the missiles were being prepared.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 17 August 2013 00: 51 New
      0
      All right. And most likely, the cause of the death of the boat was "non-regulatory" work with missiles, or improper maintenance.
  29. rudolff
    rudolff 16 August 2013 22: 08 New
    +2
    I will supplement it. Now I went to the official website of Bramos, it says that to launch missiles from the submarine, it is not using torpedo tubes, but vertical launch containers. This spring, tests were conducted from an underwater platform. Whether such were installed on this boat, I do not know. But unlikely. But the Club-S complex was integrated into the ship during the repair. Missiles from its nomenclature are launched through standard 533-mm torpedo tubes. By the way, the Indians had serious problems with this complex on Sq. For several years in a row, the missiles simply “flopped” into the water and not one hit the target. In July 2007, India Today had a devastating article (Deviation) on this subject.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 17 August 2013 00: 39 New
      0
      This does not prove anything yet. One of the versions.
    2. old man54
      old man54 17 August 2013 15: 11 New
      0
      Rudlph, it's already me! drinks I believe that the explosion occurred precisely in missiles, but this is like an intermediate link. But in general it's a diversionpure water! Explosive device. Who! The Chinese, they really do not like the growth of power in India and its Navy. How do I know, I won’t be here. It is because rocket fuel is easier to ignite, and therefore there was an explosion. Well, after the explosion of one rocket, soon the detonation of the rest of the “Clab-S” occurred, the destruction of the PC and the flooding. Apparently the explosion of the entire missile safety destroyed the nearest bulkheads, which caused the boat to sink. Something like this.
  30. Andrey77
    Andrey77 17 August 2013 00: 31 New
    0
    Versions - a million. It’s necessary to raise the boat ...
  31. beifall
    beifall 17 August 2013 06: 46 New
    -1
    In 1962, in the polar c-63 (I could be wrong), it also exploded, the whole crew + random sailors were killed, only 122 people! From 1961 -91 America lost - 2 nuclear-powered ships, and its advice - three (K-8, K-219, K-258) + up to a dozen diesel boats !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Santa Fe
      17 August 2013 14: 05 New
      0
      Quote: beifall
      In 1962, in the polar c-63 (I can be mistaken), it also exploded, the whole crew + random sailors died, all 122 people

      B-37
      this is in the article
      Quote: beifall
      With 1961 -91 America lost - 2 nuclear-powered ships, and the advice - three (K-8, K-219, K-258) + up to a dozen diesel boats

      More. And all this is difficult to classify - the causes and course of the tragedies are too diverse. Both with us and the Yankees
  32. Indifferent
    Indifferent 18 August 2013 02: 09 New
    +1
    I recalled a similar case with the B-37 submarine in Polyarny. There, the commander was Captain 2 Rank Begeb, whom I knew well. He taught me tactics. There, too, a fire broke out in the first compartment at 8 in the morning with the beginning of the turning of weapons and technical equipment. The reason - knocked out the plug on the compressed air system of the torpedo. A strong jet led to the depressurization and ignition of the set of chemical regeneration of air B-64. And this thing, when it burns, melts metal. After 22 minutes, the ammunition detonated. KILLED THE WHOLE CREW! Those who were on the bridge survived, and even those were shell-shocked. The neighboring boat turned out to be badly damaged.
    As for the Indians, there are many questions. The first is hydrogen control. Once the boat has undergone modernization, it means that the batteries are new and the hydrogen-burning furnaces are also new, on slagged ones. This is already enough for the system to cope with excess hydrogen. And if there is constant forced ventilation into the atmosphere, then even more so it cannot accumulate. The maximum that is possible at this time is a small accumulation of hydrogen in stagnant zones, but there can be nothing besides a small single cotton. Hydrogen burst over my head a couple of times and I was not even shell shocked. There was no fire either. On the K-429 submarine, when the crew was evacuated from a flooded boat, an AB exploded in the first compartment. Because everything was accidentally de-energized. And there was no fire either. Concussed people. One midshipman was interrupted by a hand and in the compartment the air was filled with some kind of black suspension, which was difficult to inhale. But, I repeat, there was no fire either.
    It is very likely that everything went according to the B-37 scenario to the Sindurakshak. It began with regeneration, and only then the ammunition exploded.
    We have only one K-129 boat, where the commander was Captain 1st Rank Kobzar died presumably from a battery explosion. There I was friends with an electrician, who remained alive, because I did not go to military service, but stayed on the shore to wait for a discharge to the reserve. So he told me that there the AB was very old and gazovat "in black." But the authorities did not overload the battery, but sent the boat to death.