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To help the pilots. Aircraft gunners combat vehicles

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In the seventies and eighties of the last century, the arsenal of the Soviet military aviation replenished with two high-precision laser-guided missiles: X-25 and X-29L. These ammunition allowed to hit the target at ranges of up to 7 and 10 kilometers, respectively. Semi-active laser homing heads, in turn, provided a fairly high accuracy. So, the circular probable deviation of the older Kh-25 missile did not exceed 10 meters, and for the Kh-29L this figure was 4-5 meters. With such accuracy, the power of warheads with 80 (X-25) and 116 (X-29L) kilograms of explosive was sufficient to destroy a wide range of targets. For a number of reasons, new missiles were not used very actively until a certain time. For example, in Afghanistan, the first launches of these ammunition occurred only in the mid-eighties. The first air unit that mastered the combat use of guided missiles with laser guidance was the 378th separate assault air regiment (oshap).



Launch X-29L


Despite all the advantages of guided missiles, their use by Su-25 attack aircraft had several characteristic features that made combat work difficult. The plane’s pilot had to independently detect the target, mark it with the help of the Klen-PS laser illumination and distance metering station, and then, holding the laser beam on the target, launch the rocket. In addition, it was necessary to pilot the aircraft and in a combat situation launching rockets became a very difficult task. Moreover, under certain circumstances, the attack pilot could not at all independently find a small disguised target and attack it. For this reason, for example, the results of the first use of guided missiles in April 1986 of the year under Khost, although they were found to be satisfactory, remained mixed. Maneuvering in the mountains, coupled with the search and attack targets, was a very difficult task, even for experienced pilots.

Brainchild troop workshops

For several months, the pilots and technicians of the 378, oshap, were looking for a way to get rid of the existing difficulties and to ensure the proper usability of laser-guided missiles. The solution was simple and original. Already in the first months of the next 1987, the technical composition of the regiment, together with several specialists summoned from the Soviet Union, was specially modified by the newest serial BTR-80 armored personnel carrier. The essence of the idea and rework of the armored vehicle was that the pilot-attack aircraft removed the responsibility for finding the target and its illumination with a laser beam. These tasks now had to perform the crew of the modified armored personnel carrier. After the conversion, the BTR-80 received a new designation BOMAN (“Airborne Gunner Fighting Vehicle”).


One of the BOMAN collected in 378-oshap. Based on its appearance, we can assume that this is the very first instance of such a machine.


When reworking on the roof of the car (behind the tower, between the upper hatches of the hull) a simple pedestal with fastening and guidance mechanisms was installed. On the latter, the Klen-PS laser station, taken from the decommissioned Su-25 attack aircraft, was mounted. For aiming the laser beam, we used a sight borrowed from the heavy-bore machine gun NSV "Utes". Inside the corps of the former armored personnel carrier equipped the workplace of the systems operator, among other things, equipped with an additional radio station to communicate with the attack aircraft. All new electronic systems are connected to the general electric systems of the armored car.

New car "handicraft" manufacturing was supposed to be used as follows. While the Su-25 attack aircraft, armed with X-25 or X-29L missiles, is heading towards the target, the BOMAN takes up a position with a direct visibility of the target. Then the gunner operator searches for the target and directs the Klen-PS station to it. When the attack aircraft approached the attacked object at a sufficient distance and is ready to attack, it informs the operator of the BOMAN machine. That includes the laser and keeps the beam on target. The pilot remains to wait for the rocket to capture the illuminated target and launch. Under ideal conditions, with this method of attack, the plane or the gunner’s machine could be at a great distance from the target, without putting themselves at risk of being attacked in response. However, according to some sources, in a real combat situation the BOMAN vehicles often approached the target at the minimum possible distance, due to which the reflected light of the laser was stronger and the rocket confidently captured the target. In addition, the defeat of the enemy object was facilitated by the fact that during target designation the gunner’s machine stood firmly in position. Due to this, holding the laser mark in one place was not a big deal.

In the 1987 year, in accordance with the order of the Air Force Commander of the 40 Army, Major-General D. Romanyuk, the BOMAN underwent a real military operation. Su-25 attack aircraft under the control of Lieutenant Colonel N. Dikoy (378-th error) and Lieutenant-Colonel M. Pudovkin (pilot-inspector of the 40 army) made a total of 75 flights with the launch of guided missiles. Test flights with target designation from the ground were carried out with the purpose of air support of troops during operations in the Aliheil region, near the border with Pakistan. In total, during the war in Afghanistan, Soviet pilots used several types of guided missiles around 140.

The effect of processing the newest armored personnel carrier fully justified all the costs. The attackers, acting together with the aircraft gunner’s combat vehicle, were guaranteed to hit targets, including those that were rather difficult to destroy with other weapons. For example, with proper and not too complicated organization of joint work, the pilots and the gunner managed to get a rocket exactly into the entrance of the cave. If an improvised ammunition depot was located in such a natural shelter, the effect was stunning.

Probably, the gunner’s desire to get closer to the goal indirectly served as a reason for creating a new BOMAN. The fact is that the enemy rather quickly realized that the appearance of an armored personnel carrier with some equipment on the roof was a harbinger of a quick attack of attack aircraft. In order not to expose the electronics of the Klen-PS station to risk and not to unmask the car, already in 1987, work began on the construction of the second version of the BOMAN. According to various sources, this time the BTR-70 armored personnel carrier became the basis for the aircraft gunner’s combat vehicle, however, information on the use of the BTR-80 was also found. Regardless of the specific model of basic armored vehicles, the second version of the BOMAN received an updated system for installing laser equipment. This time, the 378 vehicles oshap assembled a lifting mechanism that allowed the lighting station to be removed inside the armored hull.

The exact number of BOGS manufactured at Soviet bases in Afghanistan is not known. In different sources there are numbers from two (one car of each variant) to 5-7. Anyway, the new class of armored vehicles quickly showed their potential and their need. Seeing the capabilities of Su-25 attack aircraft getting target designation from the ground, the Mujahideen began a real hunt for armored personnel carriers with Klen-PS stations. Fortunately, these machines turned out to be a very difficult goal and, as far as we know, none of them was lost or seriously damaged by enemy fire.

Universal BMA

To help the pilots. Aircraft gunners combat vehicles The high efficiency of aviation gunner machines manufactured in military workshops led to the emergence of a new technology of a similar purpose. At the very end of the eighties, in the 344-th Center for the combat use and retraining of flight personnel (Torzhok), another aircraft engineer vehicle was created under the direction of Colonel V. Archegov, which received the BMA index (also known as BMAN). When creating this project, the main disadvantage of the "Afghan" BOMAN was taken into account - their narrow specialization. The BMA from Torzhok was to become more universal: it was required not only to assist in guiding the guided missiles, but also to carry out the overall coordination of the work of strike aircraft and helicopters.

The Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile system based on the MT-LB light armored chassis was used as the basis for the new BMA. From the original ZRK dismantled all equipment for the transport and launch of missiles, and in its place installed new guides. On the upper part of the turret, mounted two units BKP-B812, designed for 12 unguided missiles C-8 caliber 80 millimeters. It is likely that for targeting it was supposed to use lighting and marking (smoke) unguided missiles of the C-8 and C-8ЦМ models, respectively. Under the guiding blocks for the C-8 missiles, one 2P130-3 launcher was installed for the 90М9 Illumination 41-mm illumination missiles. It is noteworthy that these launchers were borrowed from Mi-24 helicopters. Finally, two infrared searchlights, apparently taken from the Blind-1 tank complex, were installed on the sides of the operator’s tower. In addition to the guides for rockets and searchlights, the BMA machine received a set of electronic equipment for communication with front-line pilots. For self-defense, it was armed with a single machine gun mounted in front of the commander's hatch in front of the hull.


BMA machine located in the 344 pulp and paper industry and FL (s) onepamop.livejournal.com


With the help of electronic equipment and launchers, the new BMA could find targets on the battlefield and transmit information about them to strike aircraft and helicopters. In addition, if necessary, the aircraft carrier from the BMA crew could mark the target with the C-8TM marking missile or illuminate the required territory with other ammunition. The searchlight of the “Curtain” system was probably supposed to be used to illuminate the battlefield in the infrared range. On the possibility of illumination of the target using a laser accurate data are not available. On the existing photos of the BMA above one of the packages of the guides are visible some devices for the installation of some equipment. Perhaps the BMA was supposed to carry the light station, similar to the "Maple-PS".

During the development of a new version of the universal air vehicle of the air gunner, it was assumed that such equipment will appear in every motorized and tank battalion in the coming years. With its BMA, ground units could more effectively interact with strike aviation, which would lead to a marked increase in their combat capabilities. Approximately in 1990, the BMA machine went into series. The assembly of equipment began at one of the factories of the Kazakh SSR, but the exact location of the production remains questionable: various sources indicate the enterprises of Almaty and Uralsk. The same uncertainty exists in relation to the number of built BMA. Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the defense industry managed to manufacture from 20 to 50 military aircraft designed by V. Archegov.


BMA machine located in the 344 pulp and paper industry and FL (s) onepamop.livejournal.com


After the USSR ceased to exist, the construction of such equipment for the ground forces ceased. The further fate of the built cars is not exactly known, but, judging by the fragmentary data, the BMA was used to a limited extent in the ground forces. After using up the resource they were written off. At least one aircraft gunner machine has survived to the present and is located in the 344-th Center for Combat Use in Torzhok. The rest, most likely, were disposed of or transferred to the storage bases.

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"Afghan" BOMAN and BMA, designed in Torzhok, became the only representatives of their class in the Soviet and Russian armed forces. This class of equipment appeared rather late and, due to the difficult economic and political situation in the country, could not take its place. Even built BMA because of the mass of problems of very different nature have worked their resources and were written off, not having had time to seriously help front-line aviation.

At present, special attention is being paid to guided aircraft weapons. Among other types of homing heads for high-precision missiles and bombs, semi-active laser systems are also preserved. Despite the emergence of a number of new ideas and technologies, in some cases, an aircraft manufacturer combat vehicle equipped with a laser backlight station could have a great influence on the course of aviation combat operations. As for the universal BMA machine, its capabilities are also high enough to neglect them. It cannot be ruled out that in the future the domestic military department will again return to a forgotten idea, but so far other methods have been used to target aircraft and helicopters to the target.


Based on:
Markovskiy V.Yu., Prikhodchenko I.V. Su-25 “Rook” attack aircraft. Armored heir IL-2 - M .: Yauza: Eksmo: 2011
http://vertopedia.ru/
http://shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com/
http://russianarms.mybb.ru/
http://vadimvswar.narod.ru/
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  1. My address
    My address 8 August 2013 07: 42
    10
    What we do not store, losing crying. Is it that, in the 21 century, our land with aircraft almost only communicates with gestures?
    1. elmi
      elmi 8 August 2013 21: 20
      +3
      Perhaps such systems are effective against the enemy that do not have technologies for detecting laser target designation, but against the latest Chinese tanks - type-98 laser illumination will result in destruction, because if a laser beam is detected by the sensor pointing at the tank, the warning system instructs the tower to be turned to the side source. The generator then produces its own low-power laser beam, which determines the location of the emitting object. In case of detection of the target, the laser is turned on at maximum power to defeat its optical means, as well as the organs of vision of the enemy’s operator.
      But the ZM-1995 portable Chinese laser system demonstrated at the 87 arms exhibition in Manila was able to hit the human eye at a distance of up to 10 thousand meters (according to other sources - up to 3 thousand meters, and when using 7-fold magnification - up to 5 thousand m). Judging by the way the tank laser system was pointing in the vertical plane, there is a possibility that it can be used as a means of destroying low-flying helicopters.
      Here is the article link: http://topwar.ru/27386-osnovnoy-boevoy-tank-tip-98-wz-123.html
      It is unclear why we do not install such systems on our tanks and armored vehicles, because we have similar analogues since Soviet times.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 August 2013 22: 20
        0
        Read in this article how far the device works.
  2. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 8 August 2013 07: 54
    12
    I have been waiting for a similar article for a long time. The issue of providing troops with air guides on the battlefield is one of the most acute problems that need to be resolved as part of the reorganization of the armed forces.
    My father said that in Afghanistan this problem was solved by an "initiative" from below. As shown in this article. Thanks to the author for the material.
    What stage of the solution this problem hung during the period of Chechen companies 1 and 2, when it was difficult to interrogate the airman from the commanders, and if he was, at best, he had only the radio station operating from the equipment operating at the frequencies of the pilots (helicopter pilots) . It is interesting to know: how is the issue of training, providing aircraft guides, as well as with the official staff structure, being solved now? (The topic of the purposeful creation of such specialists in the state armed forces has long been discussed.) Who knows, share the info! ..
  3. GEO
    GEO 8 August 2013 08: 04
    +5
    Sorry, the right car (
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 8 August 2013 08: 31
      +4
      Quote: GEO
      Sorry, the right car (

      Only who will give her the opportunity to work in the line of sight in the war. Afghanistan and so on is not an indicator.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 August 2013 08: 51
        +5
        Tell that to the uncles from NATO, otherwise they don’t know.
        1. iOfficer
          iOfficer 8 August 2013 16: 58
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Tell that to the uncles from NATO, otherwise they don’t know.


          Do not uncles from NATO use mainly manual LCCs? what
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 August 2013 17: 17
            0
            Used. But as additions. For actions from the "takeaway"
          2. adolph1
            adolph1 9 August 2013 12: 40
            +2
            We also have it, they are part of the portable equipment set of the PAN (advanced aviation gunner).
            The first PANs appeared in a company against the dushmans in the "Afghan", after which they perfected their methods of work in Chechnya. In a mountainous area, PAN has nothing to do with such subspecies! Since he is always with the battalion reconnaissance platoon in front of the whole planet. Mobile devices for PAN are good, but PAN always acts on the line of direct contact with the enemy, and such a device is a good bait there!
      2. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 8 August 2013 10: 43
        +3
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Quote: GEO
        Sorry, the right car (

        Only who will give her the opportunity to work in the line of sight in the war. Afghanistan and so on is not an indicator.

        war in Afghanistan - not war for you? belay and you turn out to be a stern guy laughing
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 8 August 2013 22: 52
          +1
          Quote: TS3sta3
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          Quote: GEO
          Sorry, the right car (

          Only who will give her the opportunity to work in the line of sight in the war. Afghanistan and so on is not an indicator.

          war in Afghanistan - not war for you? belay and you turn out to be a stern guy laughing

          This is a war against partisans. And against regular troops, this is completely different, once again you can’t put your nose out.
          1. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 8 August 2013 22: 58
            +2
            Quote: Vovka Levka

            This is a war against partisans. And against regular troops, this is completely different, once again you can’t put your nose out.

            and what is so that the American regular army in Iraq has not destroyed all the partisans during the entire occupation? And in Afghanistan, why can’t it still cope with ordinary partisans? These are just partisans, and for some reason the amers try not to stick their nose out of the bases. Why is that?
            1. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 9 August 2013 08: 24
              -1
              Quote: TS3sta3
              Quote: Vovka Levka

              This is a war against partisans. And against regular troops, this is completely different, once again you can’t put your nose out.

              and what is so that the American regular army in Iraq has not destroyed all the partisans during the entire occupation? And in Afghanistan, why can’t it still cope with ordinary partisans? These are just partisans, and for some reason the amers try not to stick their nose out of the bases. Why is that?

              And here it is?
              We are talking about the use of the machine.
  4. Jarserge
    Jarserge 8 August 2013 08: 15
    15
    During the Second World War, the Wehrmacht was armed with a standard Sd.Kfz.250 / 4 aircraft aircraft carrier machine (Luftschutzwagen), the Americans have a specialized aircraft of the advanced aircraft M1130 "Stryker". And only here, with the Great Patriotic War, aircraft controllers with a radio station on their humps "stay" with the infantry, tankmen on armor. Well, there is no need to talk about the quality and timeliness of aviation support .........
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 8 August 2013 09: 31
      +2
      Americans have a specialized aircraft of the advanced M1130 Stryker

      In the IDF, in my opinion, each tank battalion has / has a dedicated tank for the Pan.
      At one time, from the memoirs of O. Bradley, in the US Army, after landing in Normandy, they also came to tanks for the Panov.
  5. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 8 August 2013 08: 19
    12
    Byad is also that this technique was a freelance. There are no permanent crews, no mechanized water crews. Well, ours turned around at BMAN in Chechnya with a hodgepodge for the purpose of research and application, but things didn’t go beyond paper reports and recommendations. Indeed, under the treaty on the limitation of conventional weapons, they fell like armor and we were tortured, we put guides, then remove and hide. But the necessary equipment, it’s even wildly to imagine an aircraft pilot and a pack fighter with a radio station in modern conditions.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 8 August 2013 09: 36
      +1
      But the necessary equipment, it’s even wildly to imagine an aircraft pilot and a pack fighter with a radio station in modern conditions.

      In my opinion, this is best solved by the Germans:
      Joint teams - as I understand it as part of the PAN and Art. Observer / spotter.
      Accordingly, either on 2 Fennek machines or on Wiesel.
      By the way, in the CAB (mech.bata) of the USA, art-correctors are on Bradley, but the air guides are on the Hammers usual (in my opinion 2 on 1 CAB - apparently by the number of tank companies / company groups formed by the battalion)
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 August 2013 09: 49
        +3
        Fennek jsft
        http://www.panzer-modell.de/referenz/in_detail/fennek_jfst/fennek.htm
      2. Gregazov
        Gregazov 8 August 2013 19: 53
        +2
        In 1991 GNP named after V.P. Chkalov entered the test aircraft machine gunner. By this time I had already left for an adjunct in Zhukovka. The machine has passed climatic tests and vibration tests. Further tests were proposed in Chechnya. On the fate of this experienced Industrial I do not know a copy.
  6. Mikhail Topor
    Mikhail Topor 8 August 2013 08: 29
    +2
    and again "kulibins" and "left-handers" create revolutionary products, complementing the work of the kbeshnikov. as without them :-)
  7. Lopatov
    Lopatov 8 August 2013 08: 30
    +4
    Now, in theory, these are not needed. Enough vehicles unified with similar artillery systems.
    The same applies to equipping with wearable complexes; it is necessary to create an analogue of JIM LR, which will be used to equip both advanced aviation and advanced artillery observers. (Or, in general, it’s commonplace to purchase them with the installation of an additional GLONASS module, the Swiss have long been carrying them to us)
  8. Akim
    Akim 8 August 2013 09: 05
    +9
    Finally, about the technique. And then I thought the name of the site would be changed to "Military-Political Review". There was little enemy opposition in Afag. In general, it is better to have designation containers like AN / AAQ-33
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 August 2013 09: 37
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      In general, it is better to have target containers like AN / AAQ-33

      The soldier is unlikely to drag him to the hump. Aircraft over the battlefield are much more vulnerable than one of several hundred units of armored vehicles. In addition, the aircraft will not be able to constantly hang over a supported unit.
      1. Akim
        Akim 8 August 2013 09: 53
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        The soldier is unlikely to drag him to the hump.

        Of course not. Individual use designators are also needed. Just such a machine is now falling from this link. (From satellite to Sazhem and its analogues). It can be replaced by reconnaissance drones, which can be located in a simple ATGM container and launched from any BMP / BTR.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 August 2013 10: 09
          +2
          Cars do not fall out anywhere. PAN, too, was by no means elk, and could not pull everything on itself. Estimate how many radio stations he needs. The network of the combined arms commander, the network of his senior commander, his own network, a communication channel with guided aircraft. Plus a HF station, and preferably not one, LCD, tablet, interface device. Will die.
          A reconnaissance drone is necessary for additional reconnaissance, and not for constant hanging over a unit. In addition, they are capable of highlighting targets, things are quite dimensional, you can’t shove them into a container from ATGMs. A stable platform is needed there.
          1. Akim
            Akim 8 August 2013 10: 19
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Cars do not fall out anywhere

            Will fall out. All of the above is now installed on any equipment, up to reconnaissance buggies. A specialized machine is not needed for this. It can be any armored vehicle from a mechanized / motorized rifle platoon.
            PS Of course we are talking about modernized technology. BMP-2 will not be able, and BMP-1U is too tough. Well, the preparation of a soldier is needed.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 August 2013 10: 29
              +5
              Quote: Akim
              A specialized machine is not needed for this. It can be any armored vehicle from a mechanized / motorized rifle platoon.

              No questions. But only with such an organization, the PAN will not be able to carry out its combat work on the march. Stop, unload radio stations and other devices, deploy, establish communications, receive intelligence, evaluate them .. In short, in about twenty minutes he will be ready for combat work. Only by this time can the combined arms unit attached to it cease to exist.
              1. Akim
                Akim 8 August 2013 10: 51
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                But only with such an organization, the PAN will not be able to carry out its combat work on the march.

                And can such a machine? the Artillery observer has the final link in the chain, when artillery and aircraft are already in positions. On the march - satellites, AWACS aircraft, drones, stations such as SNAR, advanced combat security.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 8 August 2013 11: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Akim
                  And can such a machine?

                  Will be able. There, on the Fennek JSFT, in addition to VHF-HF stations, there is also satellite communication.

                  Quote: Akim
                  the Artillery observer has the final link in the chain, when artillery and aircraft are already in positions.

                  Division 2S19M2 is ready to fire from the march in 3 minutes after the receipt of target designation. During the second war in Iraq, about 80% of aircraft sorties to support ground forces were carried out "blindly" - the aircraft received target designation already in the air.
                  Now "being in position" means being within reach.

                  Quote: Akim
                  On the march - satellites aircraft AWACS, drones, advanced combat protection.

                  Cross out the satellites, they will not be able to hang constantly over the b / d area, AWACS aircraft cannot provide reconnaissance. information each platoon, drones constantly hang over each company or battalion column, too, will not be able to.
                  And the GPZ or the side marching ones are far from burning with the desire to die, while the PAN will be ready for combat work for 20 minutes.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 8 August 2013 11: 46
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    drones constantly hang over each company or battalion column, too, will not be able to.

                    You apparently have no idea what I meant. These are not the drones that make up the Air Force squadrons and not the reconnaissance drones of the divisions. These are drones that are part of the mouth platoons (3 launch containers in each company, 6-8 hours of observation).
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 8 August 2013 12: 13
                      +1
                      You did not understand this. There are drones that can only "look" like what you have in the picture, and there are those that can determine the coordinates of targets and highlight them if necessary. The smallest of them is the Israeli "Orbiter-3" with a wingspan of 3.6 meters
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 8 August 2013 12: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        There are drones that can only "look" like what you have in the picture, but there are those that can determine the coordinates of targets and highlight them if necessary

                        There are also such multifunctional and non-disposable (several control channels) in ATGM containers. This is not Ukrainian know-how, but of course their price is much higher. In the UAE they drove this one - they liked it. There are simply no pictures. In this I showed the principle of application itself.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 8 August 2013 14: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        There are also such multifunctional and non-disposable (several control channels) in ATGM containers.

                        Provide examples. Only right away: an UAV should be able to determine the coordinates of targets and highlight them.
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 8 August 2013 14: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Provide examples.

                        I told you. In the Emirates "Luch" took one. And it highlights and determines the coordinates, through DzhiS and GLONAS.
                        Surely there are foreign analogues.
              2. Gregazov
                Gregazov 8 August 2013 19: 56
                +3
                In the USSR there was a Flock complex on two cheburashka for this
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 8 August 2013 13: 05
      +1
      The question of creating a tactical-level drone having the dimensions of an ATGM has matured. What is needed is the possibility of target designation, not necessarily laser, for transmitting GPS, GLONASS or synthesized coordinates from ground-based repeaters, and broadcasting the operational situation at the depth of fire contact. If you carry out the dimensions of an assault rifle, and even with the same degree of readiness for use .... In this embodiment, you do not need a reusable aircraft, let it be a reconnaissance kamakadze, a target designator with a shock function. Such a target designation will be more effective than a specialized machine, although one does not cancel the other.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 August 2013 14: 42
        +1
        The machine, unlike UAVs, is constantly reconnaissance. And also constantly ready for guidance of aviation. Replacing his car is simply impossible.
        1. Gregazov
          Gregazov 8 August 2013 20: 01
          +3
          In addition to your correct remarks, there is another plus - the car can stop and precisely hold the backlight. Aircraft simply do not have such an opportunity. (I ask you not to consider the bell and cobra of Pugachev, since there is still movement)
  • viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 8 August 2013 12: 42
    0
    Yes, the truth is true, there are few good articles.
  • lazy
    lazy 8 August 2013 09: 11
    +4
    an advanced aircraft-pilot’s car is very necessary especially in army aviation, and of course it should be better than on the basis of the BTR 60 with a glass turret instead of a standard turret (I had to see one)
  • valokordin
    valokordin 8 August 2013 15: 01
    +6
    I was pleasantly surprised to learn that this laser backlighting machine was invented by Slava Archegov, with whom he studied in SVAUL, but 2 years later. This wonderful cadet showed miracles of acrobatics on coils and managed to stand on 5 coils on the stage of the officer club. He flew like a god. He was also loved by younger students. I read in the Red Star about the commander of the best helicopter regiment of the USSR in the Transbaikal Military District V. Archegov. He is already 70 years old, but I remember his cheerful face. Health to him.
  • 311ove
    311ove 8 August 2013 15: 44
    +1
    The car is definitely needed! With an old woman 809 or 853 (easier :)))) and binoculars you feel, let's say, "sad" .... As for survivability, there is armor, and no one has canceled the shelter, besides, the crew does not need to hang around in it all the time remote control panels probably since the 50s, and even with the current development of even our electronics, it is not a problem at all. About electronics, unfortunately you have to write the word EVEN .....
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 August 2013 16: 32
      +2
      Something like that?





      1. Akim
        Akim 8 August 2013 16: 50
        +1
        What is that?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 August 2013 17: 23
          0
          Artillery. 1B172-2

          http://russianarms.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=3174
          1. Gregazov
            Gregazov 8 August 2013 20: 03
            +2
            Now pack it all on UAVs along with energy sources.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 August 2013 20: 10
              +2
              This is yes.
              In addition, even with drones, such machines are needed. Fortunately, they do not know how to evaluate information and set targets for defeat.
            2. Akim
              Akim 8 August 2013 20: 21
              -1
              Quote: GregAzov
              Now pack it all on UAVs along with energy sources.

              What for? The drone performs the role of only reconnaissance and target designator. Why fence the garden and hang on it extra functions? The machine itself, like BOMAN, is now no longer relevant, and not the whole complex. Naturally, its UAV will not replace.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 8 August 2013 22: 22
                +2
                "Not relevant" with what? Are you always ready to go? Allows an aircraft controller to conduct combat operations normally?
  • vietnam7
    vietnam7 8 August 2013 21: 20
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    "But the necessary equipment, it is even wild to imagine an aircraft controller and a pack soldier with a radio station in modern conditions." For communication with the turntables in Dagestan, we had a small walkie-talkie, it seems it was called a chamomile. But the artillery gunner was loaded at the very least. At first, they guided themselves, it is clear that something did not go well, they began to give assistants from the artillery.
    1. Fofan
      Fofan 8 August 2013 21: 36
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      mdya, this is where experience in creating satellite phones and other gadgets would come in handy ...
  • Cpa
    Cpa 8 August 2013 21: 29
    +1
    I will not tire of repeating, military science needs to be moved from below, from the needs of the operational-tactical level. Masterpieces are born precisely in workshops of units and subunits. If only interested commanders of units appear.
    Not strong in naval tactics, but I consider it necessary to equip submarines with similar target designation equipment. There would still be a trump card in the fight against AUG.
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 8 August 2013 23: 07
    +1
    we have oak generals. they only know how to conduct drill reviews. poorly understood how to apply new technology.
  • Max
    Max 9 August 2013 14: 22
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    I don’t understand why such a machine is needed to illuminate targets, if attack helicopters are used for such things, which make it easier to illuminate a target from a longer distance, and to launch a TV rocket by themselves, i.e. two in one.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 9 August 2013 15: 47
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      Because the backlight is only one of the functions of this kind of machines, and non-core.

      In the first place is communication and situational awareness.
      On the second, precise determination of the coordinates
      On the third - ensuring the combat work of PAN from the remote KNP
      The fourth is to ensure its mobility

      Well, somewhere in the seventh-eighth, the illumination of targets directly by the equipment of the machine.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 11 August 2013 16: 24
        +1
        Max

        Tasks of the PAN in the battle formations of SMEs (TP):
        - direct control and guidance of aircraft in the SC;
        - monitoring the timely inclusion of means of mutual identification and designation of CB NE;
        - assistance to crews in overcoming the counteraction of enemy air defense systems in the target area;
        - control and transfer of the results of the implementation of the base class on GBU;
        - through GBU at the direction of the commander of the MSP (TP) calls the aircraft to the front line;
        - assistance to the commander of the SME (TP) in deciding on the use of aviation;
        - coordination with the regiment commander of the procedure for suppressing artillery fire with the opened enemy air defense systems;
        - reports the beginning. Air defense regiment, time and route of flight of strike groups of their aviation;
        - assistance to aircraft in distress and PSO on the battlefield.
  • aviamed90
    aviamed90 11 August 2013 16: 01
    +1
    To the author - "test".
    But it is rather an excursion into the past.
    And what is really present in the troops now?

    When I was preparing PAN (1987), we were not taught anything like this. The instructors were former PANs who passed Afghanistan.
    There was no talk of any highlighting of the SD. Emphasis was placed on the control center by reference, the transfer of control to the crew in an encoded form on an open channel, mobility, frequency maneuver, etc.
    Of the equipment: binoculars, a compass, a map, a code negotiation table, means to indicate a goal or landmarks (missiles, smoke, tracer).

    We knew about the existence of BMAN machines (BMAN "Trel-AN", based on the S-10 air defense missile system), but nothing more. Knew their performance characteristics. We were directly told that in parts of their units.

    And the practice at the training ground (2 weeks for a platoon of 60 people): 1Ми-24 and 1Ми-8 with crews with combat experience. PAN instructor, radio station and all! According to the plan - 20 guidance (CC) at the SC.

    And Lopatov is absolutely right in defining the tasks for such machines. The main objective of the PAN is to organize the interaction of NE and aviation at the forefront. And do not get hung up on AUR.
    In addition, in addition to the BP AUR "V-Z", there are also uncontrolled ASPs.
    And the percentage of their use during the battle is much higher than the AUR.
  • aviamed90
    aviamed90 11 August 2013 16: 17
    +1
    That's what I went to school notes.
    This is the BMAN equipment on the BMP chassis with the S-10 air defense system:

    1. Radio communication equipment:
    - RS P-863 (MV-DMV);
    - RS P-862ш with ZAS equipment (MV-DMV);
    - RS P-842 (KV) for aviation control;
    - RS P-134 (VHF) for interaction with SV;
    - onboard SPU-7;
    - onboard wire MC-61.

    2. Navigation equipment:
    - tank navigation equipment TNA-5;
    - ARK-U2;
    - aviation search headlights 2HFP-9 and FP-23;
    - code flashing light.

    3. Reconnaissance equipment:
    - Radar detection of moving SC PSNR-5;
    - night observation device NNP-23;
    - quantum rangefinder "Karaton";
    - indicator of laser radiation;
    - night vision device of the driver PNV-57v.

    4. TSU funds:
    - 2 block with NAR S-8;
    - A-12,7 aircraft machine gun with BC = 200;
    - sight USh-127um;
    - laser illumination station of the target 1d20 for illumination X-25l, X-29l, C-13l, C-25l, CAB-500;
    - IR illuminator TSHU-1.

    5. Weapons of self-defense:
    - turret with a machine gun PKT-7,62 (BK = 200) or grenade launcher AGS-17 (BK = 29);
    - system for setting aerosol curtains.

    6. Signage and identification equipment:
    - NRZ 1RL246;
    - electric rocket launcher with signal cartridges EXR-26 (BC = 4);
    - pyrotechnic means.

    Combat crew: PAN (crew commander), radio operator-loader and driver mechanic.
  • Scythian abuzyarov in
    Scythian abuzyarov in 2 July 2014 22: 45
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    if someone is interested in the video of the launch of the rockets x-23, x-25 and x-29, look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-jnkHW8ngg
    there are also many launches of unguided missiles, dropping bombs on targets and destroying a target with a direct hit.
    the video is brand new, you haven’t seen it yet.
    or go here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsyuWznVPxo
    Scythian Abuzyarov Vladimir.