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Strike Raptor and Bombcat. Fire from heaven

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“… The first combat group for the“ global patrol ”of fifty FB-22 will reach operational readiness for the 20 of the ninth year. “Strike Raptor” will allow us what we have always dreamed of - invulnerable stealth aircraft with supersonic cruising flight speeds and 4 tons of weapons in the internal bomb compartment can quickly solve any impact tasks in any of the regions of the planet!

The speaker triumphantly looked around the audience and continued his speech again:

- The machine is made on the rampant aerodynamic scheme. The delta wing made it possible to radically increase the capacity of the internal fuel tanks in comparison with the initial design - the calculated combat radius of the FB-22 will exceed 2000 kilometers. The take-off weight of the car is 120 000 pounds (54 tons). Maximum speed - Mach 1,92. The value of the calculated overload 6 g. A new super-bomber will be completely invulnerable to anyone. weapons, which is in service with Russia and China, and an impressive on-board electronics complex will allow for deadly bombing attacks at any time of the day and in any weather conditions ... Now I ask your questions, gentlemen.

- Johnny Smith, Boston Evening News. Lokheed Martin has already received a billion dollars from the 22 budget for the development of the F-66,7 Raptor program. How much is estimated to create a new vandervafli?

The speaker blushed with anger (call FB-22 vundervaflay - how vulgar!), But giving his voice the usual intonation, gave a detailed answer to the difficult question:

- In the design of the FB-22, the F-22 “Raptor” serial nodes are widely used, the on-board equipment and software on 85% are unified with the original machine. All this should minimize the cost of creation and production. Currently, the proposal to create FB-22 is included in the 23 production programs submitted by industry for approval in 2003. The US Air Force clarifies its requirements for the aircraft and its production financing strategy. It is expected that the estimated cost of one “Strike Raptor” (flayaway cost) will not exceed 300 million dollars ...

Only a high fence and two dozen security guards rescued speaker Lokheed Martin from sincere beatings of an angry public.


One of the possible options for the appearance of the FB-22. The program was finally closed in 2006


Legends of healing bombings

The humanitarian aid brought on the wings of the US Air Force undoubtedly has a huge positive significance for the inhabitants of the liberated states. The Pentagon expresses a firm belief that democratic bombing is not at all harmful, but even beneficial to the health of the local population, their appetite improves and their cholesterol levels go down.

Bombs - Alpha and Omega of the American military doctrine. The Yankees are seriously convinced that airplanes flying in the sky are the sure key to victory in any situation. Perhaps they are right in some ways: it is better to throw bombs and missiles at the enemy than the bodies of their conscripts, however, there is no particular desire to sing enthusiastic praises to American weapons - an excellent military doctrine and first-class combat aviation guard American foreign policy, whose interests are entirely contrary to Russia's geopolitical interests.

Nevertheless, it would be curious to analyze some facts about the structure, combat use and ways of further development of American military aircraft.

There is no doubt that the US Air Force has a pronounced strike orientation. According to the accepted doctrine, each of the American fighters, in addition to their basic duties - gaining air superiority, must have the ability to use air-to-surface weapons. At the same time, the aircraft must not only nominally have a pair of external suspension units, but also carry a whole range of sighting means and a wide range of weapons for effective destruction of ground targets.

Often, American fighters are so “living” in the role of bombers, that, despite their original purpose, they are completely transformed into specialized strike machines - attack aircraft or front-line (tactical) bombers.

This was exactly the P-47 "Thunderbolt" - a fierce fighter from the Second World War, whose bomb load exceeded the load of two Il-2 attack aircraft.

He did not lag behind his famous ancestor F-84 "Thunderjet" - one of the firstborn of jet aircraft, earned the nickname "Destroyer" in Korea. According to witnesses of those events, the American F-84 sought to level any object that flashed under their wing — during the three years of the Korean Peninsula war, fighters of this type dropped tons of bombs on the enemy’s 50 000.

Strike Raptor and Bombcat. Fire from heaven

F-105 "Thunderer"

New time has created new heroes. The heaviest single engine aircraft in stories Aviation - fighter F-105 Thunderchief (Thunderchief) did not earn the glory of a great fighter, but in Vietnam he received the name "Thud" (Thunder).

Other hero the anti-hero of the Vietnam War, on the contrary, became the ultimate embodiment of multifunctionality. Double 20-ton "Phantom", at one time set world records for speed and altitude, soaring a candle on 30 kilometers high. However, this did not prevent him from being used in Vietnam as a tactical bomber, an aircraft directly supporting the troops and a “hunter” for enemy air defense missile systems as part of Wild Weasels (modification F-4G) - in this role “Phantoms” were used in the US Air Force up to until the middle of 1990's. High-speed throws at extremely low altitude, tons of bombs and tanks with napalm, Shrayk anti-radar missiles - a typical combat load and the tactics of using "Phantoms" left no doubt: under the guise of a fighter lies a universal strike aircraft.

In addition to land-based vehicles, there were several deck modifications of the Phantom for the US and NATO navies. Some machines were used as tactical reconnaissance aircraft (modifications RF-4B, C and E). Many of the surviving "Phantoms" are still used in the US Air Force as air targets: the decommissioned vehicles are being converted and converted into QF-4 unmanned drones.



The only problem: a tactical strike aircraft with impressive flight characteristics and a perfect complex of on-board electronics turned out to be too heavy and clumsy for melee air combat. Maneuverable "dog dumps" were ordered for the "Phantom" ... however, what else to expect from the machine, which received among the pilots the characteristic "victory over aerodynamics".

At the turn of 1960-70, the American theory of “fighter dualism” experienced a serious crisis: new trends in fighter aircraft (first of all, high maneuverability) entered into an unsolvable contradiction with the increased demands on strike engines, their combat load, range and aiming navigation equipment.

Even at the design stage of the new "universal soldier" F-111, it became clear that a full-fledged fighter this time will not work - the F-111 "Aardvark" turned out to be excessively huge, clumsy and heavy. As a result, despite its bizarre "fighter" designation, the F-111 became the shock "trump card" of the US Air Force.


"Sixteen tons is a dangerous cargo, and we are going to bomb the Union"
In fact, there are about 11 tons. F-111C with 48 bombs Mk.82


All-mode aircraft with variable geometry wing, double cabin with transverse crew members, powerful avionics complex, impressive flight performance and combat load of 14 tons for the “bomber” —the US Air Force got a “pocket” strategic bomber with a 2000 combat radius + km (with F-111 flight range increased to completely paranormal values ​​- “Aardvarki” could joke to raid Libya from the UK, or make a non-stop flight on the route Utu British Isles - Saudi Arabia).
"Aardvark" regularly served in the ranks of the US Air Force until 1996 of the year (and its modification - EF-111 "Raven" EW-aircraft to 1998), however, from the fighter in this car only the letter "F" in its designation was preserved. Air combat "Aardvark" was absolutely not capable.

At the same time, fighters created at the turn of the 60-70s: naval The F-14 Tomcat and the land F-15 Eagle were pure interceptors and aircraft to gain air superiority. At least somehow they could effectively use air-to-surface weapons they could not even in theory.

However, despite the fiasco with the highly specialized F-111, F-14 and F-15, the Yankees did not abandon the idea of ​​hanging bombs on a fighter. Already the next plane - the F-16 light fighter-bomber “Fighting Felken” retained and augmented the combat traditions of the USAF, becoming the main “bomb carrier” in all modern local conflicts. It is noteworthy that the combat debut of “Falken” took place precisely as a bomber - the F-16 Israeli Air Force struck a bombing attack on the Iraqi nuclear center Ozirak (Operation Babylon, 1981 year).

In a similar scenario, a fleet developed - along with the heavy F-14 interceptor, naval aviation received the F / A-18 Hornet light fighter-bomber, whose modifications subsequently replaced all types of deck-based aircraft. Currently, the F / A-18 family of vehicles is the only type of combat aircraft on the decks of American aircraft carriers.

Meanwhile, in the United States, work was underway to introduce air-to-surface weapons on F-15 interceptors — such a large aircraft seemed like an ideal platform for deploying strike weapons. In addition to the developers of the company McDonnell-Douglas, the Pentagon was interested in such a machine, looking for a promising replacement for its destructive F-111.

The result of research on programs ETF (Enhanced Tactical Fighter - Air Force competition to create a universal strike aircraft based on serial fighters) and AFCD (Advanced Fighter Capability Demonstrator - personal initiative McDonnell-Douglas), was the appearance of the machine under the designation F-15E "Strike Eagle", able to hit both aerial and ground targets with equal efficiency (first flight - 1986 year).



Structurally, the Strike Eagle fighter-bomber is made on the basis of the F-15D two-place combat training modification. Progress in microelectronics allowed to integrate into the design of the aircraft all the necessary equipment, including synthetic aperture radar and a powerful optical-electronic sighting system, providing round-the-clock all-weather detection and attack of small ground targets.

Another remarkable feature of the “Strike Needle” was the conformal fuel tanks (KTB), made in the form of streamlined “linings” on engine nacelles. Such a solution made it possible to increase the internal fuel supply almost X-fold times, while the KTB, as compared with conventional outboard tanks, only slightly worsened the aerodynamics of the aircraft and allowed the Strike Needle to make supersonic throws at the speed of Mach 2.

A significant role in the creation of the F-15E was played by sets of quick-detachable equipment - 10 400 kg of combat load can include suspended (discharged) fuel tanks, sighting and navigation containers, jamming stations, towed traps, multi-lock holders, containers with reconnaissance equipment, etc. d. etc.

Quick-detachable kits made it possible to realize countless combinations of onboard equipment, which, in turn, made it possible to “sharpen” the aircraft for a specific task as soon as possible.

In addition, the Strike Eagle can carry the widest range of air-to-surface ammunition among all existing tactical aircraft - guided and unguided munitions weighing up to 5000 pounds (2270 kg), including:

- laser-guided bombs from the GBU family
- guided munitions of the JDAM family (a GPS-based kit that turns any free-fall bomb into a precision weapon);
- cluster munitions of the CBU family;
- AGM-65 “Maverick” guided missiles, AGM-130 and AGM-158 cruise missiles;
- antiradar missiles AGM-88 HARM;
- Tactical nuclear weapons - B61 bombs with eight types of combat units of different power, for the destruction of highly protected targets.

Currently, X-NUMX F-219E fighter-bombers make up the combat core of attack aircraft of the US Air Force - Strike Needles have left their destructive mark in each of the local wars of the last 15 years.



Watching the successes of the Air Force, the US Navy also set about trying to transform the heavy F-14 interceptor into a multi-purpose strike fighter. Indeed, the situation looked strange - such a big, 30-ton “cat”, but it does not know how to bomb. Disorder!

F-14 "Tomcat" had unused reserves of tactical use, and the Yankees tried in a short time to eliminate this unfortunate drawback. Already in 1980, Tomkat's 49 was equipped with TARS (Tactical Airborne Reconnaissance Pod System) suspension containers with containers - the ability to integrate specific equipment into the design of the deck interceptor avionics was demonstrated.

The next step was taken in 1988, when tests of the Tomcat fighter, hung with clusters of bombs instead of missiles on full-time suspension, began at the China Lake test site.


F-14B Bombcat

The final decision matured after the operation “Desert Storm” - F-14, by analogy with F-15E, was equipped with LANTIRN (Low Altitude Navigation and Targeting Infra-Red for Night) suspension units. As clearly follows from its name, the LANTIRN system allows you to fly at extremely low altitudes and use weapons on small ground targets at any time of the day.

The upgrade was relatively easy, and Tomkatas quickly turned into Bombkets - the first cars reached operational readiness for the 1994 year. In addition to the LANTIRN overhead containers, the “Bombcats” differed from the usual F-14 widescreen tactical display set in the cockpit. In total, the 1990 BombCatts were upgraded to the end of the 67s of the interceptors.

With the beginning of the XXI century, and the United States began the development of a new modification of the Strike Eagle strike fighter. The main feature of the new machine, which received the designation F-15SE “Silent Eagle”, is the widespread introduction of elements of the stealth technology — the keels deviated from the vertical axis, four internal compartments for the weapon suspension, a special radio absorbing body covering, zigzag-like joints of parts.


F-15SE

Stealth technology, the APG-82 radar with an active phased array antenna, a “glass cabin” and the most modern weapons in the body of the proven F-15E killer - the Silent Eagle fighter-bomber came close to the powerful F-22 “Raptor” , while the F-15SE was much more versatile, and its 2009 cost per year was estimated at 100 million dollars, almost 1,5 times lower than the odious Raptor.

The fate of the super-car was sad - despite the results achieved, the development of "Silent Eagle" was at an impasse - there were no customers on the plane. The US Air Force spent the entire budget on the purchase of F-22. And the most well-to-do of the US allies (South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Singapore) prefer to acquire less advanced F-15E modifications - the usual “Strike Needles” capabilities fully satisfy customers, and no one wants to overpay for extra and unclaimed functions.

If the situation around “Silent Needle” is still covered with a veil of uncertainty - the machine can be resurrected, there is hardly a customer, then the fate of the F-22 base machine is finally and irrevocably resolved - the Strike Raptor project is on the dustbin of history.

All further plans of the Americans are now connected with the F-35 "Lightning II" - a promising fifth-generation aviation complex promises solid opportunities for work on both air and ground targets. It is planned that the F-35 will completely replace the "Strike Needles" in the ranks of the US Air Force by 2025 year.



As for the US Navy, F-35 faces tough competition from the F / A-18E and F Super Hornet fighter-bombers, as well as their promising version of the Silent Hornet. Obviously, the Lightnings and the new versions of the Hornets will serve shoulder to shoulder until the middle of the 21st century.

Epilogue

April 2013 of the year. Boston is in panic, SWAT armored cars are on the streets, a cordon is set up everywhere, the air is filled with the ringing roar of police helicopters. The names of the perpetrators of the state of emergency have already become known - the Tsarnaev brothers, both from Chechnya, were recognized as suspects in the organization of the terrorist attacks.

Where is this Chechnya that challenged the United States of America?

American media are filled with calls to strike back and bomb the CZECH REPUBLIC. An urgent refutation from the Czech consul follows: his small European country has nothing to do with Chechnya, Boston, or the Tsarnaev brothers.

The command to cancel the assignment came when the lights of sleeping Prague began to shine under the wing of the "Strike Needle" ...

In every joke there is a share of jokes. But it becomes scary when such destructive toys as F-35 and Strike Eagle turn out to be in the hands of those who skipped geography at school.

Moscow and Mogadishu also sound very similar. Although what difference does it make, the American pilot switched the LANTIRN to the aiming mode with a familiar movement ...


Cab F-111



This photo feels good gigantism F-111



F-111 versus B-52



F-105 fighter bomber and its arsenal


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  1. Alez
    Alez 29 July 2013 08: 13 New
    11
    I hope the default of America is not far off, there will be nothing to fly, there will be nothing to refuel, the pilots will go to work at McDonald's. The triumph of democracy will move back a couple of hundred years.
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 29 July 2013 09: 05 New
      +2
      If you like fantastic TV series about our days, watch "Continuum" http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1 % 83% D1% 83% D0

      %BC_%28%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BB%29
      Something like "Terminator", probably paradoxes.
      Actually the series about the life of the future ruler and rebels.
      Interestingly, of course, BUT - where do the authors of such series take grass?
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 29 July 2013 10: 36 New
        +6
        Quote: carbofo
        where the authors of such series take grass?

        The military operation against Afghanistan began on the evening of October 7, 2001. Since then, the United States has not experienced any problems with "inspiration." wassat
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 29 July 2013 15: 13 New
          +6
          Quote: Gamar
          The military operation against Afghanistan began on the evening of October 7, 2001. Since then, the United States has not experienced any problems with "inspiration."

          I heard the creators of the "Teletubbies" got caught on cocaine, apparently in a different way children's perception cannot be caught up!
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 29 July 2013 17: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: carbofo
            I heard the creators of the Teletubbies were hooked on cocaine

            laughing + + +
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 29 July 2013 10: 40 New
      +6
      You write like their default is something good for us. We can default them so sideways come out, mother do not grieve. What do you think an armed bandit who runs out of money will do?
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 29 July 2013 14: 39 New
        0
        Quote: chunga-changa
        What do you think an armed bandit who runs out of money will do?

        Go to "dig" to the post and then hurt yourself on the corner.
        Quote: chunga-changa
        We can default them so sideways come out, mother do not grieve.

        There is no need to overestimate "their default" on the negative impact on our economy. "Economists" fewer listen, read. wink
        1-2 years of "collapse of the" world grandmother "is such a paltry price for the overthrow of the hegemon. hi
      2. Beck
        Beck 29 July 2013 15: 43 New
        +9
        Quote: chunga-changa
        You write like their default is something good for us.


        Somehow, lightly, some want the default of the United States to perish.

        The US economy is about 1/3 of the global economy. Europe 25%, the Far East - China, Japan, Korea 25%, the remaining 20% ​​the rest of the world.

        About ten years ago, only two mortgage banks in America, covered with a basin, the whole world was shaking, and we are sneezing now.

        It is hard to imagine what will happen if one of the components of the world economy collapses, there will be an end to the world. Even if China alone or Japan collapses economically, it will not seem to anyone.

        In the age of globalization, national economies are interconnected in the WORLD ECONOMY and wish to burst some link so that everything falls apart, like suicide looks like.

        It is not necessary to wish for anything to be destroyed, but for a higher rate of economic development. Then, smoothly, without excesses, economic leadership will move to other regions. The most striking example is China. Without cooperation with the United States and Europe, the Chinese economy would never have reached its current height.
        1. viktorR
          viktorR 31 July 2013 19: 52 New
          0
          But everyone is repeating crisis-crisis ... Have you personally felt it? Who is experiencing this crisis at all? I have since 2008 improved mine well-being, although I didn’t turn the mountains down, I just worked for myself and that’s all ... I honestly did not feel the crisis at all, although I worked in a small company for 20 employees in total.
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 29 July 2013 20: 00 New
      0
      There will simply be SOMEONE flying, blacks don’t see in the dark there isn’t enough brains for meks, you won’t copy the Chinese, you’ll copy everything and send the people, but whites who are fit for health and able to climb into the cockpit without petroleum jelly are already missing catastrophically.
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 30 July 2013 00: 34 New
      0
      So already there was already a topic recently:
      "The US Air Force is facing a shortage of pilots" -
      http://topwar.ru/31211-vvs-ssha-stolknulis-s-deficitom-pilotov.html .
      They don’t want to fly anymore laughing
    5. T-100
      T-100 31 July 2013 17: 56 New
      0
      Yes, it will not be the same as with F-117 (stealth among the people) when it was hit by s-125. That this piece of metal will knock well C-200, C-300, which by then will already be considered old people)))
  2. carbofo
    carbofo 29 July 2013 09: 01 New
    +1
    Kingdom- Press the button, you get the result - it blooms.
    That's just it does not add brain.
  3. a52333
    a52333 29 July 2013 09: 14 New
    +1
    Yes, they can only attack Libya and Iraq! And even after the massive bombardment of the SLCM. And they cannot do anything against a country with a normally structured air defense. And their vaunted raptors aren't that cool. Rafal did it with the score 4: 1.
    1. ben gun
      ben gun 29 July 2013 09: 46 New
      +2
      As long as the otvetka doesn’t threaten that something serious arrives, why should they soar?
      I read about the Amer special forces here on the site, how they tried to free their hostages in Iran. And it seems to have become clearer why they do not want to directly climb somewhere themselves.
    2. APOCALIPTIC
      APOCALIPTIC 29 July 2013 16: 46 New
      -4
      Quote: a52333
      Yes, they can only attack Libya and Iraq! And even after the massive bombardment of the SLCM. And they cannot do anything against a country with a normally structured air defense. And their vaunted raptors aren't that cool. Rafal did it with the score 4: 1.

      Yes, they can only attack Libya and Iraq! Yes, they can afford it, and Russia only to countries like Georgia and then with difficulty
      1. a52333
        a52333 29 July 2013 17: 08 New
        +3
        Stop-stop. Restore the sequence:
        1) Georgia attacks Ossetia using multiple launch rocket systems.
        2) Russian citizens live in South Ossetia.
        3) Russia forces Georgia to peace.
        In Libya, you would be better off keeping silent, but in Iraq - it’s standard there: they bribed the generals + promised immunity. They Hussein and surrendered. And where did you see heroism there? Was there any resistance?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 30 July 2013 00: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: a52333
          2) Russian citizens live in South Ossetia.

          Point two, believe me, was the last. Russia needed a buffer between it and a potential NATO country. And she got it. Logical, in general, move. And very correct.
          As for Russian citizens, you should be reminded how they became in South Ossetia, according to what accelerated program, when tens of thousands of Russian refugees from various republics of the former USSR were waiting for these passports for years.

          About the bribed generals, on whom everything worked, about Iraq can only speak one who has not read anything about this war. Yes, there were bribed generals. And there were not bribes.
    3. 0255
      0255 29 July 2013 22: 30 New
      0
      they wrote on Wikipedia that Eurofighter 2000 has an advantage in close combat over the F-22, which means that Eurofighter was once the same for Americans. No wonder they Europeans are breathing in their F-35 flying iron.
  4. sergey72
    sergey72 29 July 2013 09: 27 New
    +1
    From the heart amused! Thank you Oleg for the detailed material ++++
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 29 July 2013 09: 57 New
    +4
    "Moscow and Mogadishu also sound very similar. But what difference does it make to him, the American pilot switched LANTIRN to aiming mode with a habitual movement ..." ... and was surprised to find that he suddenly turned from a hunter into a game.
    This "Moscow" suddenly turned out to be ... Well, you understand, brothers, you can hang our favorite picture - about the fact that you do not need to be ashamed of your complexes :-))
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 29 July 2013 10: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      Moscow and Mogadishu also sound very similar. Although what difference does it make to him, the American pilot switched LANTIRN to aiming mode with his usual movement ... "... and was surprised to find that he had suddenly turned from a hunter into a game. This" Moscow "suddenly had

      - And he didn’t even have time to exclaim the famous "Oops! Sorry!" laughing
      1. Mister X
        Mister X 29 July 2013 18: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: aksakal
        Moscow and Mogadishu also sound very similar


        I remembered the episode about the bombing of Libya from the movie "Election Day"

  6. Constantine
    Constantine 29 July 2013 11: 02 New
    +2
    An interesting article, thanks :) The first part generally smiled smile

    Only with this:
    In every joke there is a share of jokes. But it becomes scary when such destructive toys as F-35 and Strike Eagle turn out to be in the hands of those who skipped geography at school.

    I do not quite agree. Strike Eagle yes - a serious car, but the F-35, rather a toy and apart from self-destruction, so far, is not particularly capable of anything and whether it will be a big question. smile
  7. Pimply
    Pimply 29 July 2013 12: 13 New
    -1
    If it weren’t for inserts with ernicheny, there would be a good article.
    1. Santa Fe
      29 July 2013 19: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Pimply
      If it weren’t for inserts with ernicheny, there would be a good article.

      Hi Zhenya

      well done for noticing - it was necessary to write GREAT "NEEDLE STRIKE", Mighty and Invincible Guardian of Heaven, Lord of the Air, Absolute Rage of the US Air Force, Combine of Death, Blood Reaper and Lord of the World
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 30 July 2013 00: 12 New
        0
        Oleg, that would be exactly the same ernishie. And if it was written on srejez - there would be pathos. I love normal, thoughtful articles. And not tunes warming the soul - they, they are all bad. Bad, of course bad.

        Well, you showed a photo of the F-15 crashed in Libya. What exactly does this give to the article?
        1. Santa Fe
          30 July 2013 00: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          I love normal, thoughtful articles.

          Maybe you're right. US Air Force - This is clearly not something to laugh at

          Although where the Yankees clearly screw up - useless aircraft carrier troughs, the B-2 slaughterhouse, the downed stealth, the steel coffin of the Oliver H. Perry, the non-donated FCS of the Orly Burke destroyer - - fate itself tells them to have fun
          Quote: Pimply
          Well you showed a photo of a wrecked man in Libya F-15

          Good picture
          1. Army strong
            Army strong 30 July 2013 03: 05 New
            0
            What's wrong with "Arleigh Burke" ???
            1. Santa Fe
              30 July 2013 09: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Army Strong
              What's wrong with "Arleigh Burke" ???

              Fire detection and control systems (primarily air defense)
          2. Army strong
            Army strong 30 July 2013 07: 13 New
            0
            Any plane crashes, you can throw a lot of good pictures (see below, there’s a plus video - the authenticity of the video raises some doubts) BUT this does not mean that the downed drying is a bad plane. The question is where and how was it used, in what combat situation and so on.

            PS: It’s better not to read the comments on the video - they are too Russophobic and inadequate, I absolutely do not share them.

            Regards Ratnik.

            Russian plane shot down by Georgian missile

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AWqQXLhaVA

  8. Boricello
    Boricello 29 July 2013 13: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: Pimply
    If it weren’t for inserts with ernicheny, there would be a good article.

    I agree. But such articles and journalists do not take into account 1. Air defense will also develop, and for every opera with back streets there will be x with a screw.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 July 2013 13: 35 New
      +2
      The eternal confrontation of bullets and body armor.
  9. PLO
    PLO 29 July 2013 14: 23 New
    11
    I don’t know, after all, the absolute versatility that the Americans are striving for with the F-35 does not justify itself
    they removed the excellent F-111 aircraft after all in vain

    but we have a Su-34


    and another super photo
  10. lazy
    lazy 29 July 2013 16: 52 New
    +1
    there is still an example of universality in human society, if without a mat, then "gays" are called and there is nothing good about it, in general, "universality" in my opinion is a false idea, if I become a friend of the sick, I prefer to go to a specialist doctor, and not to a "universal" "who has one pill from both the head and the female
    1. Santa Fe
      29 July 2013 19: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: lazy
      "universality" in my opinion is a false idea

      It’s not about universality

      Another thing is that all American fighters have a small feature - they can throw bombs. A direct tribute to the situation in all local conflicts where the US Air Force fought. Iraq, 1991 - 142 thousand tons of bombs, Vietnam - 6 million tons of bombs ... in such wars the law applies: "rake in more - throw further." Working hands are worth their weight in gold - everyone who is able to raise the bomb is connected to the "work on the ground"

      F-84 Thunderjet, Korea. The designer of the car was an emigrant from the Russian Empire - Alexander Kartvelishvili (Kartveli)
      1. lazy
        lazy 31 July 2013 17: 37 New
        0
        we can agree with this
  11. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 29 July 2013 17: 36 New
    0
    Now I ask your questions, gentlemen. HOW MUCH DO YOU CUT BABLA ON THIS PROJECT?
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 29 July 2013 22: 33 New
      +3
      Better worry about our dough and our projects. They have no shortage of the latest technology.
  12. Odysseus
    Odysseus 29 July 2013 18: 55 New
    +4
    Interesting article.
    However, a little clarification. Although the FB-22 program was closed in 2006, the Americans were tired of the uselessness (in modern conditions and for their military concept) of "clean fighters" nevertheless decided to give the Raptor shock functions and are now carrying out an appropriate program for their modernization.
    And the F-15SE can get a "start in life" if it wins the "epoch-making" tender in the South Caucasus.
    As for the "stupid Americans", I would not be optimistic about this.
    In the United States, the classic "two-tier" education system for the capitalist countries of the 1st world, where the illiterate, manipulated masses are led by very literate, knowledgeable and tough people.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 30 July 2013 22: 09 New
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      Quote: Odyssey
      where very illiterate, manipulated masses are led by very competent, knowledgeable and tough people.

      This was especially noticeable for Bush Jr.
  13. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 29 July 2013 20: 35 New
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    <<< Bombs are the Alpha and Omega of American military doctrine. The Yankees seriously believe that airplanes flying in the sky are the right key to victory in any situation. Perhaps they are somewhat right: .... >>>
    They are indeed right. The experience of the Second World War shows how incredibly difficult our army was, especially in the initial period, precisely because of the Lufwaffe domination and constant air strikes (all the memoirs of veterans say this) which, without exaggeration, ensured all the successes of the Germans and cost us huge losses in people and technology. And all subsequent military conflicts confirm the effectiveness of aviation in the fight against ground forces and armored vehicles of the enemy.
    1. Santa Fe
      29 July 2013 21: 39 New
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      Quote: Goldmitro
      And all subsequent military conflicts confirm the effectiveness of aviation in the fight against ground forces and armored vehicles of the enemy.

      It all depends on the malware systems - those. with whom the Yankees fought (Yugoslavia, Libya) - the enemy had too weak and primitive air defense, which is why the impression of "brilliant blitzkriegs".
      The same applies to Iraq - absolute quantitative and qualitative superiority + betrayal of the Iraqi command + possible "bookmarks" in air defense systems

      The only time they ran into serious resistance was Vietnam. The result - Amer aviation blew, losing 8000 units. aircraft

      Also, aviation is not very effective in guerrilla wars: Afghanistan, Syria ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 30 July 2013 00: 18 New
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        Oleg. Give me reliable evidence of at least one bookmark, okay?

        Just the level of the Germans at times determined the level of their rivals.
        1. Santa Fe
          30 July 2013 00: 46 New
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          Quote: Pimply
          Oleg. Give me reliable evidence of at least one bookmark, okay?

          Reliable is difficult, you know - this is a topic, but I'm not an NSA analyst

          Although this legend is often spoken even on Amer’s sites:
          http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/03/10/one_printer_one_virus_one/
          http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/05/kill-switch-urb/

          One printer, one virus, one disabled Iraqi air defense ... it seems that there is no smoke without fire
          Quote: Pimply
          Just the level of the Germans at times determined the level of their rivals.

          And quantitative superiority!

          By the way, about the aviation / air defense confrontation - why didn’t the Israel Air Force succeed in repeating its 1967 year success in Yom Kippur? The answer is simple: the Arab air defense system kept pace with the times
  14. ICT
    ICT 29 July 2013 21: 04 New
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    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Vietnam - 6 million tons of bombs ...

    I looked somewhere., the guys made a photo report, in the footsteps of the "Ho Chi Minh City trail" (no link lost), there are little Vietnamese, fences are fenced from unexploded bombs and they are still mined in metal
    1. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 30 July 2013 03: 42 New
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      In the same way, the Kazakhs still "extract" metal from the Emba-5 communications.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 30 July 2013 03: 58 New
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        Quote: abyrvalg
        In the same way, the Kazakhs still "extract" metal from the Emba-5 communications.


        And not only black ... Rather, primarily color ....
  15. 0255
    0255 29 July 2013 23: 04 New
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    Do Americans have enough old B-52s with a heavy combat load to bomb peaceful cities with napalm and depleted uranium bombs? The point is to be spent on expensive new bombers, if they are shot down with good air defense means, as in Vietnam. The collapse of the F-117 in Yugoslavia shows that stealth technology does not guarantee the stability of the aircraft. And countries with strong air defense, Americans prefer not to touch
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 30 July 2013 00: 20 New
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      No crash aircraft. There are hard to beat. Stealth is a technology of LOW-DETERMINATION. It is worth noting that the Americans in Yugoslavia were let down by a purely human factor, and not by technology.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 30 July 2013 01: 51 New
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        Quote: Pimply
        No crash aircraft. There are hard to beat. Stealth is a technology of LOW-DETERMINATION. It is worth noting that the Americans in Yugoslavia were let down by a purely human factor, and not by technology.

        "Songs" about the weakness of the Americans because of one downed F-117 are absolutely incomprehensible. In my opinion, those who sing them are in fact passionate fans of American technology.
        In fact, one downed F-117 for 3 fairly large-scale wars is a very low level of losses.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 30 July 2013 02: 11 New
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          Quote: Odyssey
          In fact, one downed F-117 for 3 fairly large-scale wars is a very low level of losses.


          Level, I agree low, but the fact is the place to be?

          Today where is the entire F-117 fleet?
          1. Army strong
            Army strong 30 July 2013 03: 15 New
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            Unlike most other Air Force aircraft that are scrapped or scrapped, most F-117Cs have been retired and are stored in hangars at the Tonopah Test Range Airport. In Tonop, their wings are removed and aircraft are stored in hangars with a climate control system.

            http://www.hightech-edge.com/f_117-night_hawk-stealth-fighter_jet-retired/1508/
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 30 July 2013 12: 51 New
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              Quote: Army Strong
              The Air Force, which was decommissioned for scrap or to museums, most of the F-117C were retired and are stored in hangars at the Tonopah Test training ground.

              Maybe you have data on the use of F-117 in the US military operation in 2003 in Iraq? I will be grateful.
              1. Odysseus
                Odysseus 30 July 2013 17: 22 New
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                Quote: saturn.mmm

                Maybe you have data on the use of F-117 in the US military operation in 2003 in Iraq?

                A review article is here: http://pentagonus.ru/publ/14-1-0-311
                I have not seen a separate analysis of the use of F-117 in Russian.
              2. Army strong
                Army strong 30 July 2013 22: 23 New
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                A little unfortunately. Here -
                (http://www.af.mil/information/heritage/spotlight.asp?id=123123845) - The official website of the U.S. Air Force reports that the operation Desert Storm involved 12 F-117S which made more than 100 sorties. Lost aircraft are not reported. Of the unconfirmed rumors, one plane was possibly lost, allegedly shot down by the Osa anti-aircraft system, again I could not find evidence.



                On the picture

                US Air Force F-117A Nighthawk towed from bombed shelter of Ahmed Al-Jaber Air Base, March 8, 1998, Kuwait,
          2. Beck
            Beck 30 July 2013 08: 18 New
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            Quote: studentmati
            Today where is the entire F-117 fleet?


            This is a journalistic trick to exaggerate and exaggerate for many years not thoughtful.

            The creators of the F-117 and did not make it INVISIBLE, they made it petty. This is what journalists called him invisible.

            Simple school calculation. The speed of the aircraft is 700 km per hour. In one minute they fly 11,6 kilometers. Radars detect ordinary aircraft at a distance of 116 km and there are ten minutes to give commands, instructions, data to the air defense combat units, which bring down the aircraft. F-117 is detected only at a distance of 58 km and five minutes is not enough to give orders. F-117 manages to complete the task.

            And where is the F-117 park? F-117 is the first production model of a stealth aircraft and when it was created there were no other technologies to reflect radar radiation to the side except for angular shapes. Now the technology has improved and engineers have learned to make the aircraft stealth without angular shapes. A good example of this is the F-22 and F-35.

            By your logic, you can also ask - Where is the T-34 park?
        2. 0255
          0255 11 August 2013 17: 07 New
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          If the USSR had not collapsed in 1991, it would have helped Yugoslavia, like Vietnam in the 1960s, and no stealth would have helped them.
          http://topwar.ru/31035-oblomki-chernyh-yastrebov-poteri-nato-yugoslavii.html
          read the article on this link, it says about another lost F-117 number 86-0837. His loss is recognized by the United States, but as non-combat. And who knows, maybe it was also shot down by the Serbs, but they didn’t confess that they would not be tried for a "war crime" - after all, the F-117 bombed them in the name of democracy, and they, ungrateful, destroyed it.
  16. Asan
    Asan 12 August 2013 12: 13 New
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    On the question of "stealth technologies" ... When in Yugoslavia began a "boom" about two downed American "Stealth", there was one interesting story. Some NATO general said the following: Yugoslav intelligence (already ridiculous?) Sneaked into NATO Air Force headquarters (even funnier), stole flight plans for Stealths (super-secret information!), Calculated on computers the time and height of the plane's flight over the territory (go nuts, but where did they get such a computer?), and then fired several missiles, and one of them accidentally shot down the plane (in my opinion, it was necessary to shoot very densely and constantly) ... Nonsense, but some "bought" for it ... And the plot was no longer shown ... By the way, back in the 2-60s, ours were developing in detail the technology of "invisibility" of aircraft ... They worked long and hard ... They counted everything, checked it on "rabbits", and at the end carried it out resolution: we consider this technology unpromising. This conclusion was made by the creators of "Russian stealth"! But hopelessness does not mean that all their works were thrown into the furnace and burned ... Now in our country there is a technique using these "old" developments. And there is no point in arguing who is cooler. NATO just has so many planes that our air defense will be practically useless. They will crush them with a crowd ... And our 70 PAK FAs will not do anything against their dozens of F-4 and F-22 ... Even if our entire air fighter and assault fleet is raised, it will not be enough. And American pilots have more flying time. But we either have no kerosene, then there is no technical base, then something else ... In the USAF there is a strict rule - in an accident, the pilot MUST survive. An airplane is iron, but to teach a pilot to fly EXCELLENTLY on this iron is much more expensive and more difficult than assembling the most perfect aircraft. Everyone remembers the SR-35? Read it - an interesting story.
  17. Woldemar
    Woldemar 16 August 2013 22: 47 New
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    The article is very interesting. Like it or not, the Americans are doing their job, the planes are riveting in the hundreds and the pilots are trained in the thousands and their raid is also not small. New technologies move promptly, as soon as a new one appeared, the appliance was immediately developed and immediately hanged on the plane.
    I would like to read the same detailed material about our aviation, otherwise it’s all about the USA, and about the USA. Not so long ago there were cycles of articles about our aviation in the Aofgan war, and it’s very interesting there.