The submarine "Kronstadt" will be completed

According to the press service of the shipbuilding enterprise Admiralty Shipyards OJSC (St. Petersburg), one of the most complex and controversial projects in the newest stories Russian Navy will soon get off the ground. On July 9, the management of the shipyard and the Ministry of Defense signed a contract, in accordance with which the construction of the diesel-electric submarine Kronstadt of the project 677 Lada will continue. Four years after the suspension, construction will resume and in the coming years the fleet will receive a new submarine.

DEPL B-586 "Kronstadt" was laid eight years ago, at the end of July 2005. It was planned that at the beginning of the current decade it will enter the system of the Russian naval fleet following the lead submarine of project B-585 "St. Petersburg". However, the failure to test the first submarine type "Lada" first affected the pace of construction, and then led to its freezing. Numerous flaws in the project, due to which the St. Petersburg boat could not achieve the required indicators, led to the suspension of the entire construction program of the project 677 diesel-electric submarines. Until recently, the constructed units of the Kronstadt construction were on a slipway and were waiting for the decision of the leadership of the military department and industry . Now the construction will continue.

PL B-585 "St. Petersburg" pr.677 in Kronstadt, November 2010 (photo from the archive of Vladimir Vladimirovich, http://military.tomsk.ru/forum)

The announced deadline for delivery of a new submarine to the customer is 2017 year. By this time, it is planned to complete the assembly of all structural elements, install new equipment and carry out all the necessary tests. According to the official material of the Admiralty Shipyards, the construction of a new diesel-electric submarine will continue in accordance with the updated project. CDB MT “Rubin”, which is the author of the original 677 “Lada” project, took into account all the shortcomings of the main submarine and updated its technical aspects accordingly. It is alleged that Kronstadt will receive a new system of electric propulsion, a new complex for managing ship technical means, a new navigation equipment, etc.

Recall, the head submarine of the 677 project with the name "St. Petersburg" was launched in October 2004, and since then has been on trial. It was originally planned to transfer this submarine to the customer in 2006, but a number of technical problems led to several deadlines. As a result, the Ministry of Defense agreed to accept the diesel-electric submarines B-585, but only for trial operation. Almost all the problems identified by the submarine "St. Petersburg" related to the imperfection of its power plant. Thus, the main engine was able to achieve only two-thirds of the estimated power, and the actual autonomy was about half the required one. Because of these shortcomings, they decided to use the submarine as a platform for developing new technologies and equipment.

An interesting fact is that in the official report of the shipyard the submarines of the 677 project are called “non-nuclear submarines”. From this it is possible to make some assumptions about the essence of the innovations, which may be applied on the new submarine Kronstadt. One of the main recent trends in the construction of submarines is the creation of so-called. air independent power plants. Such systems, regardless of the specific scheme used, provide the submarine with the opportunity to stay under water for a relatively long time and thereby increase its survivability and combat potential. Submarines with air-independent power plants are often allocated to a separate class of non-nuclear submarines (NNS).

General view and fragment of quasi-conformal noise-guided GAS antennas (fore and lateral) SJC Lyra (photo probably Kronstadt PLA, 2009 g., From the Deep Blue Sea archive, http://paralay.iboards.ru)

So far, there are no official data on the use of a radically new power plant on the Kronstadt submarine, which does not require frequent ascent to the surface. Recently, however, the topic of creating a domestic air-independent power plant (VNEU) with an enviable regularity is raised by officials and discussed by the public concerned. For example, in the context of the further fate of the St. Petersburg submarine, its use as a stand for developing technologies related to the VNEU or even a prototype of such a system was repeatedly mentioned. But, according to available data, the head “Lada” still has the same basic equipment as at the time of completion of construction.

Thus, some reports and conjectures suggest that Kronstadt may be equipped with at least VNEU elements. In this case, even with the most unfavorable developments, the Russian Navy will receive a submarine with a new power plant for our shipbuilding. A submarine equipped with VNEU will receive a number of advantages over existing diesel-electric submarines. First of all, this is the possibility of a long stay in the underwater position. This will significantly reduce the likelihood of detecting an anti-submarine submarine aviation or enemy ships. Another advantage of the boat with VNEU, which will allow it in some ways to compete even with nuclear submarines, are its relatively small size and lower noise. Thus, the detection of NAPL is much more complicated.

Substation B-586 "Kronstadt" in the workshop of the FSUE "Admiralty Shipyards", St. Petersburg, 10 in November 2006 (photo from the archive havron, http://forums.airbase.ru)

Submarine B-586 "Kronstadt" in the shop FSUE "Admiralty Shipyards", St. Petersburg, April-June 2006, (http://forums.airbase.ru)

According to a number of sources, the 677 "Lada" project initially had to have an air-independent power plant in its composition. However, in the first half of the nineties, due to the difficult economic situation in the country, promising systems had to be removed from the new submarines. The head submarine "St. Petersburg" was built precisely in accordance with the finalized and "trimmed" project 677. In this case, it turns out that, at present, the employees of the TsDB MT Rubin return Ladas that they took from them twenty years ago.

Currently, the development of a full-fledged VNEU for new domestic non-nuclear submarines continues. We don’t have to talk about the details of this project: all information about it is limited to only a few short messages. It is known that the new power plant should be ready for 2016 year. Thus, it is likely that the third submarine of the 677 project may receive a promising VTU.

Unfortunately, the full official information on the details of the 677 project update has not yet become public knowledge. However, the available fragmentary information about the future of the Lada submarines makes it possible to hope not only to continue their construction, but also to master new technologies. In the future, these technologies will improve not only the "St. Petersburg", "Kronstadt" or other diesel and non-nuclear submarines, but also the following projects of submarines for the Russian navy.


On the materials of the sites:
http://admship.ru/
http://ria.ru/
http://rbc.ru/
http://odnako.org/

Comments

[NOMADE]

Oh, dogo, for a long time ... How many years have lost .. and lagged behind VNEU.

[sub307]

Yes indeed, but it is better to "move" somehow than "lie down" at all. They will bring the project to mind. So far, they decided to put the 636 project on the Black Sea Fleet, like the 877th improved. And then there the submarine fleet is represented by one Alrosa.

[malikszh]

However, the failure to test the first submarine of the Lada type first affected the pace of construction, and then led to its freezing. Numerous flaws in the project, due to which the St. Petersburg boat could not achieve the required indicators, led to the suspension of the entire construction program of the project 677 diesel-electric submarines.

Means all the flaws are eliminated ???

[AVV]

It is not possible to eliminate everything right away, but during trial operation, they will all be identified, and will be eliminated as they become available !!!

[cdrt]

It was supposed to be a warship, not a platform for correcting the mistakes of designers. And so ... there are already two ships built, but they will not be combat-ready.
Here I am completely on the side of the military - ships not completed by construction should not be taken from shipbuilding.

[Ivan79]

Better late than on needles!

[altman]

who knows which is better .. they need to be served, and not to suffer because of the constant failure of certain units ..

[morpogr]

The main continuation of the construction and testing of new equipment elements, which means that development is underway and this is right.

[cdrt]

The main continuation of the construction and testing of new equipment elements, which means that development is underway, and rightly so

The main thing is the replenishment of the fleet with combat-ready ships. Construction is a process, not a result. The result can only be considered successful completion of design / construction.

[Evgeniy667b]

Somehow, it turns out interesting, there are no new ships, we cut the old with rapture, soon the KBF and the Black Sea Fleet will generally remain without submarines. If we cannot master the refinement of our VNEUS, it is logical to acquire such ships from the same Germany. Type 212-214? For some reason we can see stagnation in the development sphere, to India, China and beyond, but not for the Russian fleet.
Such actions can only be considered as aiding the potential adversary!

[Simon]

Chill out! Everything will be, Moscow did not immediately build it.

[Constantine]

Black Holes with a new setup is good. Even more. Let's hope for a new ES and wait.

[gerafak]

The continuation of the construction is good, just wait 4 years, it seems that nothing has changed dramatically and continue. Where is the logic?

[bddrus]

if nothing is changed, then we get again St. Petersburg with the same jambs

[My address]

Build another four years? And not fat?

With such "builders" our first satellite would have flown no earlier than 1965. One feels the desire to be with money for a long time, but to the State ... And there is no one to shame and disperse anyone.

Chatterboxes on the topic "did you do" - I did a lot. And for forty years my favorite film is "The White Sun of the Desert".

[Very old]

It’s really a shame for the Power, but the shots are not like 40 years ago

[Andrey77]

Project 667 is a marine submarine for the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets. A lot of them are not needed there. Equip with modern torpedo weapons - and a couple of boats per navy - for the eyes.

[Russ69]

VNEU on Kronstadt will not be bet. It has been said several times that they will install it on the third boat of the series. VNEU itself, only by 2016 they promise to bring to industrial production.

[Andrey77]

The head submarine submarine of project 667 "Saint Petersburg" took part in the parade yesterday.

"According to a number of sources, Project 677 Lada was originally supposed to include an air-independent power plant."

Indicate sources or a number of sources, once you refer to them.

[Russ69]

Quote: Andrey77

Indicate sources or a number of sources, once you refer to them.

Head of the "Admiralty Shipyards":After the completion of the development of VNEU, we will be able to install it only on the third boat of the 677 series of the Sevastopol project.

RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/interview/20120921/755529533.html#13750994556723&message=resize&re
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http://ria.ru/

This was also mentioned recently by one of the deputies of the Navy Commander.

The decision to introduce an air-independent power plant (VNEU) on the second serial submarine of project 677 (Lada) Sevastopol has not yet been made by the Russian Navy, but the Rubin Central Design Bureau will present the VNEU prototype to the fleet in 2016,

http://vpk.name/news/93191_podlodka_proekta_lada_mozhet_poluchit_vneu_posle_2016
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[Andrey77]

An interesting fact is that in the official report of the shipyard, project 677 submarines are called "non-nuclear submarines."
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The point here is that according to the agreement, the operation of ANY ships with nuclear power plants is prohibited in the Baltic Sea. Including icebreakers and submarines.

[old man54]

I will not argue strongly, for now about the agreement, but there are doubts! But what about the "Orlan" s, which were built in Leningrad and then tested in the Baltic Sea and underwent state acceptance there?

[andreitk20]

And here atomic pl, this is a project of a diesel pl with non-volatile installation, that is, a plant operating on other principles than nuclear reactors.

[bddrus]

Is this nothing that the photo of the bow antenna of a boat under construction on the Internet is posted?

[fero]

in the old days, probably, someone would go to cut the forest, but now this is not of interest. This GAS may be 100 years old at lunch.

[Russ69]

Quote: bddrus

Is this nothing that the photo of the bow antenna of a boat under construction on the Internet is posted?

The secret is not appearance, but opportunity.

[old man54]

Something very bad is happening both with our Russian shipbuilding industry, with the leading naval design bureaus and with the Navy itself as a result of all this. Sadly, very much! DEPL over 10 years of construction, others take the boat, take, and then it turns out that it does not correspond to today's time!
And about these photos from the article, where the lead and most secret (this should be the case anyway) project boat right at the construction stage, on the slipway, with the details of the design and GAS sfotan and laid out on the net ... I do not understand this! Apparently the FSB has completely degraded today, alas! I don’t even have enough imagination to imagine a similar situation in Soviet times, when Varshavyanka was openly published on the stocks, moreover, in detail, or some nuclear ships! It remains only to imagine what her photos, drawings and diagrams our overseas "partners" have!

[vkrav]

Quote: old man54

Something very bad is going on

What is happening? Under the Union, design miscalculations and shortcomings were often compensated by the high qualifications of workers and technologists. The designers remained from the USSR, and few of them remained ... The shortage of skilled workers is a large part of those times. But with an abundance of lawyers, menagers and other creacals. As a result, you yourself voiced. In short, there is loot, but there is no one to work.

[KERGUDU BIMBAR]

SO WHAT'S UP!
IT IS NECESSARY TO CALL MASTERBUSTERS!
And OUR OWN WORKERS, SENSORS, AND MICROSHEMES CONFIGURE THE FOOT WITH THE FEET.
BECAUSE THE PRODUCTS DON'T FLY THERE, SLEEP AND RUN.

[Onil]

And there were rumors that 2 unfinished submarines pr.677 will be sold to China with VNEU!

[Evgeniy667b]

Onil RU  Yesterday, 22:02 PM


And there were rumors that 2 unfinished submarines pr.677 will be sold to China with VNEU!
Here, here to our poor merchants from shipbuilding if only to sell.
And why does respected Andrey77 think that the Red Banner Baltic Fleet and the Black Sea Fleet can do with only a couple of submarine units? It is necessary to ensure the defeat and destruction of the carriers of the Tomahawk missile, on the near and far lines of concentration. Is it possible that a potential adversary will wait for our submarines to follow the rules of a duel in a "gentlemanly way"? We first, then your turn? So that 8-10 PL is the minimum wage.

[Andrey77]

And why does the respected Andrei77 believe that the KBF and the Black Sea Fleet can do just a couple of subfusion units?
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Provided equipped with modern torpedo weapons. Did you specifically miss this in my post? If you use torpedoes from the Second World War - then yes, 10 boats per fleet minimum. Give up the computer, buy 10 calculators.
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It is necessary to ensure the defeat and destruction of the carriers of the Tomahawk missile, on the near and far lines of concentration.
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I understand Tomahawk is a terrible thing in the hands of an Indian. :) Can you imagine the Tomahawk launch from the Baltic or Black Sea? It will be shot down by air defense of all countries of the basin before it leaves the water.

[sergey158-29]

Quote: KERGUDU BIMBAR

SO WHAT'S UP!
IT IS NECESSARY TO CALL MASTERBUSTERS! And THAT OUR WORKERS, SENSORS AND MIXED CIRCUITS ARE SEVERING THE FOOT OF THE FOOT.
BECAUSE THE PRODUCTS DON'T FLY THERE, SLEEP AND RUN.

It is necessary to introduce personal responsibility of both employees and managers and officials for their "work \ failure" and "competence \ professionalism" and raise the level:
- theory \ science
- equipment \ technology
- specialists \ professionals ...

[xomaNN]

Unfortunately, the cadre of the shipbuilding industry, especially the designers, crippled the mess. It is a pity that the Germans missed ahead in the non-nuclear submarines.

[Andrey77]

Not much and missed. We are much cheaper. Any third world country would rather buy 3 Russian boats than one German. With a very tiny lag in quality - this is a bargain. Another thing, we will not be allowed to sell. But this is for politicians.

[yur20100]

beam would put the reactor :)

[Evgeniy667b]

That's why the Germans missed, because only green candy wrappers flicker in their eyes, they are instead of ideas in their head. This is not only for managers, but even an old experienced shipbuilder will not just pass on his experience to the younger generation. So ships are being built by small forces. Hence the priority, and the championship is determined not by what is important to Russia, but who will pay. The defense order is also real money, but how it is implemented is the competence of the prosecutor's office and not otherwise.

[Andrey77]

Selling weapons, let alone submarines, to the world market is not such a simple thing. The heavy weapons market has been divided for a long time. I'm talking about the market, and not about stealing my own.

[Evgeniy667b]

If you recall how weapons were sold in the USSR, then I do not recall the case that this was new. At first, the SA and the Navy were saturated, and then on the side, and basically what already served. As for the 613 project, it was a good boat with a large modernization resource. When there is nothing, then these are trump cards. The USSR did not consider it shameful to raise sunken ships, and not only their own, but also the German ones, restored and then they carried out a very long service.
The same Americans retain a lot.
It is not entirely correct to hope for a couple of submarines with even the most advanced torpedoes and "Clubs", since there is a controversial nuance about survival in the face of opposition. Not at the range! It is still necessary to get to the positioning area in the unfriendly waters of the same Baltic. What is the probability of leaving Baltiysk and completing the task?

[Woldemar]

But I don’t understand why to finish building Kronstadt right now, and not wait a couple more years before the appearance of VNEU in 2016. They waited so many years, but in the end, the hand will again not be equipped as expected, neither with the engine nor with normal torpedoes. Will it also hang as a ballast, like the main St. Petersburg?
And the project was named "Lada". Lada cars are also not of very high quality.
Can the name of the project be changed?