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The results of a sudden check of the troops of the TSB

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Last Sunday, a sudden check of the combat readiness of the troops of the Eastern Military District was completed. More than 160 thousand personnel, several thousand armored fighting vehicles, dozens of airplanes and ships took part in the largest military exercises in recent decades. Already during the audit itself, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense drew some conclusions, but the main work on the summing up of the event began only this week. Staffs and ministries will have to carefully analyze all aspects of the past maneuvers and take into account the existing shortcomings.




On Monday, some of the units participating in the exercises returned to their bases. For example, servicemen of the Central Military District were among the first to return from the training grounds, during the maneuvers they played the role of a conditional enemy of the troops of the Eastern Military District. From CVO, more than a thousand soldiers and about three hundred units of various equipment participated in the exercises. No less fast were the ships of the Pacific fleet. They also arrived at their base last Monday. The ship group, led by the flagship of the Pacific Fleet, the guards missile cruiser Varyag, over the past week, completed over 50 combat training missions, including three dozen artillery and missile firing. It should be noted that 11 such events were held without prior warning and preparation.

On Tuesday, 23 of July, Defense Minister S. Shoigu reported to the President of Russia V. Putin on the preliminary results of the exercise. The Minister noted the good training of soldiers and officers. Thanks to the correct actions of the servicemen, such large-scale maneuvers involving a huge number of soldiers and equipment were held without any serious problems or accidents. S. Shoigu said that during the sudden test of combat readiness several exercises of various sizes took place, from large to relatively small ones. Thus, on almost the entire east coast of the country, primarily in Kamchatka and Sakhalin, the troops trained to land on the unprepared shore and organize anti-airborne defenses.

In addition to directly training the soldiers and officers, the past exercises also had other goals. The capabilities of the troops in local and large-scale operations were tested. In addition, the issues of rapid transfer of a large number of units and mobilization were studied. From the words of the Minister of Defense it follows that, in general, the maneuvers were successful, but now it is necessary to get rid of some of the problems identified during the events and before they begin.

For example, during a conversation with the president, S. Shoigu noted that not all armored crews were able to master the shooting at the proper level. The reason for this, according to the minister, was not the reluctance of the fighters to master equipment and weapons, but the lack of training. Currently, the standard of ammunition allocated for training is quite low, which most directly affects the level of training of crews of equipment. So, during the exercises, the crew of each tank spent only two dozen shells. In artillery, the rate of munition consumption is at about the same level. In this regard, the Ministry of Defense plans to increase the standards, possibly several times. The army has the opportunity to take such a step and thanks to this it will be able to increase the level of training of tankers and artillerymen.

During the transfer of troops by air, another of the existing problems manifested itself: the lack of a sufficient number of airfields. In this regard, the Ministry of Defense has already begun work on a proposal to partially change the structure of the air force. It is planned to increase the number of airfields used by airfields in the eastern part of the country, which will simplify the implementation of a wide range of tasks. According to the Minister of Defense, there is an “urgent need” for such actions, since serious landing is required for landing operations and other operations. aviation support.

During the conversation with the Minister of Defense, Russian President V. Putin noted the level of training and vigor shown by the military personnel of the Eastern Military District during the exercise. In addition, the head of state expressed the hope that the Ministry of Defense would draw the appropriate conclusions and get rid of the existing and identified problems.

V. Putin and S. Shoigu also raised the topic of informational coverage of the maneuvers. According to the Minister of Defense, more than 60 military attaches of foreign countries expressed a desire to familiarize themselves with the course of a sudden check of troops. Just the day after the start of the exercise, the Russian military department gathered all interested diplomatic workers from other countries and told them about the plans. A little earlier, right after the president ordered the start of the combat readiness test, the Ministry of Defense notified all neighboring states, first of all our partners in the eastern direction.

The practice of sudden checks of combat readiness after a long break has resumed in February of this year. Over the past months, several similar events have taken place, and recent exercises have become the largest in the past two decades. In the future, the Ministry of Defense will continue to carry out maneuvers with raising the alarm and the transfer of troops to unfamiliar polygons. Recent inspections carried out by this method have proven their convenience and objectivity.


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  1. omsbon
    omsbon 25 July 2013 07: 18 New
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    An unlearned army is easy prey for the enemy! Therefore, "learn military affairs in this way!" The crown of study, an indicator of training is the conduct of maneuvers.
    1. Skiff
      Skiff 25 July 2013 09: 04 New
      14
      During the transfer of troops by air, another of the existing problems manifested itself: the lack of a sufficient number of airfields. In this regard, the Ministry of Defense has already begun work on a proposal to partially change the structure of the air force.

      Well, they sold everything that they can now bite their elbows, but more specifically, who will ask commercial airports and other businesses for any permissions, under the law of wartime everything will be taken under state control, so I don’t see problems for panic and criticism .
      1. Evgeniy46
        Evgeniy46 25 July 2013 15: 06 New
        +2
        It was before the reform across the country of 245 airfields. I suspect that there will be several pieces included in the existing airbases
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 25 July 2013 20: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Skiff
        whoever asks commercial airports and other business for any permissions, under the law of wartime, everything will be taken under state control, so I see no problems for panic and criticism.

        Prior to the onset of the “law of war”, “airports and other business” should be prepared to carry out tasks in peacetime and in accordance with the law of peacetime. Mobic power should be. wink
        With this preparation in peacetime of infrastructure, "suctioning" and mob. resources for the war, we have a problem, however. request
        No laws, no preparation
        Let's hope for a shift in the right direction.
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 25 July 2013 09: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: omsbon
      An unlearned army is easy prey for the enemy! Therefore, "learn military affairs in this way!" The crown of study, an indicator of training is the conduct of maneuvers.

      I completely agree with you, but I would like to end with your permission the phrase about studying in the following way, “we’ll come and check”.
    3. Mitek
      Mitek 25 July 2013 09: 56 New
      +8
      Quote: omsbon
      An unlearned army is easy prey for the enemy! Therefore, "learn military affairs in this way!" The crown of study, an indicator of training is the conduct of maneuvers.

      And finally, the right conclusion about practical shooting! The shells are DISPOSED, and instead, the quality of crew training can be significantly improved.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 25 July 2013 10: 03 New
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        Quote: Mitek
        instead, you can significantly improve the quality of crew training.

        And shoot the trunks. What is not good. Look at everything in the complex.
        1. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 25 July 2013 11: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: Spade
          And shoot the trunks.

          Accordingly, maintain and develop their manufacturer. smile
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 25 July 2013 11: 16 New
            -3
            On the contrary. The restoration of the production of the same trunks to 2С3 will result in such a pretty penny that subsequent miserable deliveries will by no means take it away
            1. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali 25 July 2013 19: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              On the contrary. Restoring the production of the same trunks to 2C3 will result in such a pretty penny

              Shoot the non and replace with veins, and acacia in revenge. winked
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 25 July 2013 19: 50 New
                +1
                It would be good. But who will go for it ...
            2. svp67
              svp67 25 July 2013 20: 53 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              that subsequent scanty deliveries will not take her away
              And the defense industry is generally high-cost production ...
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 25 July 2013 21: 51 New
                +3
                So you need to spend money on the right things. For example, on Coalition and Vienna
              2. Very old
                Very old 26 July 2013 06: 45 New
                +1
                And training a specialist is more expensive, both in time and in cost. Shells are spanked in series, a good specialist piece "goods".
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 25 July 2013 20: 29 New
        +2
        Well, yes, yes ... But my heart is broadcasting to me that just the other day they’ll light up due to negligence of ordinary people at once about five warehouses. Very, you know, it is difficult to answer a simple question: where is IT ?! I mean where are the shells and ammo? Ah this here? Duck in the first place it is five less than the reports, and secondly why is it so rusty? In oxide, broken ... Where are they ?! I mean a lot of money spent on the construction of storage facilities with the latest words, and where are the premises themselves?
        You can’t just take it and start shooting ...
      3. Very old
        Very old 26 July 2013 06: 39 New
        -1
        So much wasted
    4. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 25 July 2013 11: 55 New
      +4
      interesting news:

      Queer Nation, an American LGBT community, calls on all such organizations to boycott Russian vodka, Gay News Network reports. “Finland will probably be incredibly glad,” the publication sneers.
      The organization was outraged by Russian laws against homosexuality, as well as gay oppression in Russia. In this regard, the LGBT community published an online statement in which it expressed its indignation at the actions of the "Putin regime" against homosexuals.

      Also, the Gay News Network continues, Queer Nation urges activists around the world to ignore all the famous Russian vodka brands. Moreover, the authors of the letter insist that the owners of restaurants and clubs stop selling Russian vodka in their establishments. “Time to hit Russia! Ignore Russian vodka! ”Queer Nation resents.

      nothing more to pi.doramas)))))
      1. 12061973
        12061973 25 July 2013 13: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        Moreover, the authors of the letter insist that the owners of restaurants and clubs stop selling Russian vodka in their establishments. “Time to hit Russia! Ignore Russian vodka! ”Queer Nation resents.

        and meanwhile, the Russian government plans to raise the price of vodka to 600 rubles, probably in order to cover losses, there was nothing to fight with gays.
      2. rolik
        rolik 25 July 2013 14: 21 New
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        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        Queer Nation, an American LGBT community, calls on all similar organizations to boycott Russian vodka

        In response to this, the producers, on the labels with vodka, write here is "Allowed for sale, except for gays, lesbians, and minors."
        Let the rear-wheel drive rub off)))))
      3. Yazov
        Yazov 25 July 2013 18: 40 New
        +8
        You patriots! Is it possible to live without homosexuality at least one day on a patriotic site? Can I ignore this? What is so relevant ???
        1. Yazov
          Yazov 25 July 2013 18: 54 New
          0
          Yes, equally about what in M.O. all countries say, the Foreign Ministries, presidents, we will suck on what ... ses and lezbies on the sidewalks are flabbering! Hooray comrades! Listen and see !!! Hooray!!!
        2. Very old
          Very old 26 July 2013 06: 52 New
          +1
          Right, sick of it. Well, foreheads and pp are not worth such attention on VO.
      4. Anat1974
        Anat1974 26 July 2013 15: 31 New
        -1
        Well scared! We derive a logical chain. Ped.ki do not drink Russian vodka. - Normal men drink Russian vodka. - Those who refuse Russian vodka are GEI. Is it not Russian vodka lobbyists who threw the idea to Queer Nation, the American LGBT community?
        1. 12061973
          12061973 26 July 2013 15: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Anat1974
          Those who refuse Russian vodka are GAY.

          Putin does not drink vodka.
        2. fartfraer
          fartfraer 27 July 2013 05: 36 New
          -1
          "Those who refuse Russian vodka - GAY" - you yourself are gay. Go ahead and sleep "funnel" up. I don’t drink (I still have to quit smoking) and I equate such "vodka patriots" with little-known science cattle. You need to thump, if you are normal. man? Normally, a man is a hard worker, a father to children, etc., and a drunk, from whom his wife left and who has not been tolerated at work for more than a month, is not a man at all.
      5. Onotollah
        Onotollah 27 July 2013 06: 17 New
        0
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        a boycott of Russian vodka,

        Well, what to take from the poor, not only are they offended by nature, they are also deprived of their brains.
        There is no need to come up with a serious asymmetric answer: to urge the abandonment of Russian oil and gas, so they evict evil on vodka.
        3,14 ... sy, understandably.
        By the way, they still need to refuse to breathe the same air with us.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 27 July 2013 12: 54 New
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          Have you forgotten why you passed a law in the Russian Federation on the prohibition of adoption by amers of our orphans?
    5. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 25 July 2013 20: 33 New
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      Quote: omsbon
      An unlearned army is easy prey for the enemy! Therefore, "learn military affairs in this way!" The crown of study, an indicator of training is the conduct of maneuvers.


      I agree, but I want to add that motivation is also important. Friends who served said a lot about individual lieutenant officers that instead of working with military personnel, they were messing around.
    6. nnz226
      nnz226 26 July 2013 20: 22 New
      -1
      I agree! In the 1941 year, they clearly raped it, when the mechanics even on the newest T-34 had a "run over" for 2 hours !!! And hundreds of tanks rushed on the side of the road at the slightest breakdown. And the infantry could not get on the offensive, despite all kinds of “Voroshilov arrows”, etc. You can say the same about gunners and towers in tanks.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 27 July 2013 05: 39 New
        +1
        you are a connoisseur of the issue, I watch. so tanks the Soviet tankers abandoned due to inexperience, the infantry did not know how to shoot .. so how did it happen that the Germans could not realize the blitzkrieg?
  2. Suhov
    Suhov 25 July 2013 07: 27 New
    +2
    So, almost on the entire eastern coast of the country, primarily on Kamchatka and Sakhalin, troops trained to land on an unprepared shore and organize an airborne defense.

    Our shores with the Japanese have never been confused during the exercises! It's a pity.
    But there is no silver lining:
    It turns out our fathers commanders are able to navigate the terrain.
    laughing
  3. Alez
    Alez 25 July 2013 07: 40 New
    +5
    They survived, about the exercises on their territory, notified and reported to foreign states. The war will begin - Monsieur, I will now hit you with the City and a vigorous bomb, would you be so kind as to sign the telegram.
    1. The gentleman
      The gentleman 25 July 2013 09: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Alez
      They survived, about the exercises on their territory, notified and reported to foreign states. The war will begin - Monsieur, I will now hit you with the City and a vigorous bomb, would you be so kind as to sign the telegram.

      partly I disagree with you. if this can mean misleading. In addition, I don’t see all the specific nuances, plans, ideas. Therefore, I do not think that this is a disclosure
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 25 July 2013 09: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: Alez
      They survived, about the exercises on their territory, notified and reported to foreign states. The war will begin - Monsieur, I will now hit you with the City and a vigorous bomb, would you be so kind as to sign the telegram.

      The exercises are always reported, this is an international practice, and it is laid down in some documents if the number of people involved exceeds 7,5 thousand.
      Yes, and what does the attachment know beyond secret? Not much more than we are from TV.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 25 July 2013 10: 48 New
        +1

        "The mechanism for conducting inspections today is such that in advance we need to notify Western countries only when carrying out planned activities. If the exercises occur suddenly, then we can notify them (other countries) only with the start of the exercises," Ryzhkov said. He added that these parameters are determined by the Vienna document of 2011, which provides for notification of other countries about military maneuvers in the event that 9 thousand people take part in them simultaneously. According to Ryzhkov, if 13 thousand military personnel take part in such events, then observers from abroad should monitor the maneuvers. In recent exercises in the south of Russia took part 7 thousand troops

        http://topwar.ru/26209-rf-ne-byla-obyazana-uvedomlyat-zapad-ob-ucheniyah-zayavil

        iv-minoborony.html
        1. Very old
          Very old 26 July 2013 06: 57 New
          0
          Not obliged, but what was notified, so out of politeness
    3. IRBIS
      IRBIS 25 July 2013 09: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: Alez
      They survived, about the exercises on their territory, notified and reported to foreign states.

      This is a common practice. In Soviet times, this was also done, such are the requirements of international law. In addition, neighboring countries can send their observers on a full basis.
  4. ilf
    ilf 25 July 2013 07: 53 New
    +5
    In the photo, surrender to the maroon beret (special forces of the FSIN "Shark")
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 25 July 2013 08: 06 New
      +2
      Yes, it is clear that they are not conscripts.
    2. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 25 July 2013 08: 08 New
      +2
      Photo credit =)
    3. bistrov.
      bistrov. 25 July 2013 09: 14 New
      0
      Quote: ilf
      In the photo, delivery to the maroon beret

      I also noticed that different weapons, along with AK-74 assault rifles are visible AKMS.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 25 July 2013 09: 24 New
        0
        AKMS are visible along with AK-74 assault rifles
        and what does it mean?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 July 2013 09: 28 New
          +1
          In the AKMS troops, only intelligence. Well, the trophies conducted through the RAVists, but they do not shine in the classroom.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 25 July 2013 09: 29 New
            0
            Shovels you will still tell me about intelligence)
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 25 July 2013 09: 31 New
              0
              I am wrong? In the troops in the required quantities appeared PBS to 5.45 assault rifles?
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 25 July 2013 09: 37 New
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                right, but this is not a "dogma". Intelligence takes AKMS not only because of PBS. The whole unit will not put Glushaki on. A pair of VALs are also required.
                I generally asked another colleague a question. From above they wrote that it’s giving in, and the answer was
                I also noticed, different weapons, along with AK-74 assault rifles are visible AKMS
                so it became interesting to me how the change relates to the fact that one with AKMS and the other with AK-74
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 25 July 2013 09: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Gleb
                  right, but it's not a "dogma". intelligence takes AKMS not only because of PBS

                  Take what is. But they are only due to PBS. Back in 1998, for some reason, all 7.62 were seized from the troops, and sent to the GRAU storage bases. All that is contingent in the troops are trophies. I myself spent for my nuker. His eyes were so burning at his sight that there was no sin.

                  Quote: Gleb
                  so it became interesting to me how the change relates to the fact that one with AKMS and the other with AK-74

                  These are Voviks, they have 7.62 assault rifles much more than in the troops, to find no problem.
                  1. Hleb
                    Hleb 25 July 2013 10: 00 New
                    0
                    These are Voviks, they have 7.62 assault rifles much more than in the troops, to find no problem.
                    and how can one determine by weapon that surrender is to maroon?
                    we had no problems with AKMS. all from the warehouse. all assigned to the fighters, fixed
                    about the trophy-laugh))
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 25 July 2013 10: 11 New
                      0
                      Why laugh? we completely swept away. Only sea shops left

                      Quote: Gleb
                      and how can one determine by weapon that surrender is to maroon?

                      No way. On helmets you can. They are not in the army - doctors do not approve of their constant wearing
                      1. Hleb
                        Hleb 25 July 2013 10: 18 New
                        0
                        Yes, I laugh kindly, but really we had no problems.
                        No way. On helmets you can

                        that’s why I’ll quickly ask the question
                        actually my AKMSik-
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 25 July 2013 10: 44 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Gleb
                        Yes, I laugh kindly

                        There was generally a show. I remember the commander of the RR went into the tent to agree on where I should be taken. He put his machine in the bunk. So he walked around him for about 10 minutes, like a cat around sour cream. Then the scout, "take it, hold him." And Ayap received a charge of happiness for at least a day. And when he got his own, and even with a grenade launcher, I did not see a more well-groomed weapon in the entire regiment. I also wanted to get a drum store for him, but I realized that this is fraught with the departure of catalepsy from happiness.
                      3. p-159
                        p-159 25 July 2013 22: 06 New
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                        and carry this beauty
              2. p-159
                p-159 25 July 2013 22: 04 New
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                who, like ours, had the main akm, to whom the aks were thrust, he was considered an unhappy person
            2. ilf
              ilf 25 July 2013 10: 12 New
              +1
              I can’t know a slightly different department (in the photo the FSIN officers are not involved), as a rule, the AK-74 is to be surrendered.
              That's where you need to test the strength of the form, and the “figure” does not stand up, usually the soldiers donate in the “flora”, camouflage uniforms (for example, in the photo “birch”) is not recommended to be torn specifically))
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 25 July 2013 10: 20 New
                +2
                so I completely agree. I don’t know what colleagues are dissatisfied with the form
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  • Massik
    Massik 26 July 2013 00: 36 New
    0
    What kind of surrender is this, the machine is generally supposed to hold the barrel up, and not drag the elbows ...
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 25 July 2013 07: 57 New
    +4
    Does it amaze me when there will be a single form ?? In the photo there are 10 people and ALL 10 in different
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 25 July 2013 07: 59 New
      +3
      what is the army - such is the form.
      1. Combitor
        Combitor 25 July 2013 23: 41 New
        +1
        In one of the comments in February there was such a photograph. Judging by the epaulettes, too, the Russian military. Only more like the personal guard of a sultan.
        Such a masquerade is not provided for by any charter.
        1. Massik
          Massik 26 July 2013 00: 34 New
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          So this parade is even more so in the S. Cav region, they have everyone on the left side, and so many surrendered to the chevron are not in any squad, the only thing that is unclear is why the officers are in the woodland, and the rest are in kink ...
          1. Combitor
            Combitor 26 July 2013 23: 36 New
            0
            I myself know that the North Caucasus. I'm talking about something else. The statutes of the Russian Army do not apply to these clowns?
        2. alone
          alone 1 August 2013 21: 16 New
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          it seems this is the guard of ramzan kadyrov
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 25 July 2013 08: 06 New
      +1
      You can special forces.
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 25 July 2013 08: 11 New
        +2
        Can? Are they like hussars? Dress what I want? Yes, they are an elite, yes they can buy for themselves everything that only their heart desires in terms of convenience, optics, etc. But the form, it is the form, and it must be the same, each climate has its own form, so that it is not a circus, but type of army.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 25 July 2013 08: 50 New
          +2
          Read the same Hardingush ... But I will not argue with you, because you are also right.
    3. ilf
      ilf 25 July 2013 09: 30 New
      +2
      This is not the army (not the Moscow Region), but a special unit on surrender to the right to wear a maroon beret, i.e. why put on a (new) everyday uniform on such a trial?
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 25 July 2013 09: 44 New
        +3
        enemies called us thugs. because of the shape of the clothes, including. whoever)) a slide with a sheepskin collar, or a lining from quilted jackets is trimmed under the shorts and over the slide ... plus unshaven.
        but we are army
        1. ilf
          ilf 25 July 2013 10: 23 New
          +5
          Like brave orcs smile smile smile
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 July 2013 07: 57 New
    +1
    In Venezuela, it would be possible to conduct joint exercises ... That would have stink and a squeal .. wassat
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 25 July 2013 08: 00 New
      0
      but not whether this stink and screech? Even if they manage to be big and green there - what is it to us?
  • master_rem
    master_rem 25 July 2013 08: 01 New
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    Quote: Alez
    They survived, about the exercises on their territory, notified and reported to foreign states. The war will begin - Monsieur, I will now hit you with the City and a vigorous bomb, would you be so kind as to sign the telegram.

    Well, we are not an evil and hellishly militarized country, how terrifying with its power and aggressiveness the DPRK! wink
  • studentmati
    studentmati 25 July 2013 08: 02 New
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    We no longer have other methods for increasing BG ...
  • Igor77
    Igor77 25 July 2013 08: 03 New
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    "We can protect your investment, and show in practice. Please."
  • makst83
    makst83 25 July 2013 08: 28 New
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    As many exercises as possible!
  • erased
    erased 25 July 2013 09: 04 New
    +1
    When the army does not fight, it learns to fight and win. If the army does not, it is not needed. Only here would be removed from the army stained general corruption and illegal transactions of generals and officers. Then it will be easier.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 25 July 2013 09: 29 New
    0
    ammunition depots burn and explode and soldiers have nothing to shoot at training, well, isn’t it insanity?
  • AK-47
    AK-47 25 July 2013 09: 37 New
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    The exercises were attended by over 160 thousand personnel, several thousand armored combat vehicles, dozens of aircraft and ships.
    During the conversation with the Minister of Defense, Russian President V. Putin noted the level of training and vigor shown by the military personnel of the Eastern Military District during the exercise. In addition, the head of state expressed the hope that the Ministry of Defense would draw the appropriate conclusions and get rid of the existing and identified problems.

    But is it not expensive to draw such conclusions (the standard of ammunition allocated for training is quite low, the lack of a sufficient number of airfields)?
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 25 July 2013 09: 41 New
    +4
    "So, during the exercises, the crew of each tank used up only two dozen shells."
    It is not enough? This is the platoon cost of regular shells per year. Of course, I understand that the MO guy is sharp, but the norms for the consumption of ammunition are caused not only by their presence and his desire. There is still the "vitality" of the trunk and other related charms. If you start flailing with standard shells left and right, then in a year all the tanks and artillery will have to be handed over for repair, changing trunks, and this is a very expensive pleasure.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 July 2013 09: 55 New
      0
      A "practice" like, not very shoots trunks? Is it an analogue of what, PF or cumulative?
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 25 July 2013 10: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        A "practice" like, not very shoots trunks? Is it an analogue of what, PF or cumulative?

        A practical shell is an analogue of a standard one. More often - this is a BC projectile in inert equipment, less often - HE with self-destructive equipment. Both were shot at the school, and only BK in the troops. Consumption rate - 3 projectile for each firing (gunner, tank commander). At training firing, loose barrels were used.
        Most of all the barrel is fired by firing a projectile. In the ammunition, there are only five of them.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 July 2013 10: 32 New
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          As for the fact that it shoots trunks harder, I myself know. And as for the extra-barrel, the artillery has no practical ones, only the MT-12 anti-tank.

          You can, of course, work out direct fire and use high-explosive fragmentation, but polygons will be unhappy.

          So that the loose trunks and guns are substitutes for firing with closed OP. We had "Kulak sawn-off shots" of the M-30. Only battery commanders fired at the staff, the rest was a substitute.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 25 July 2013 11: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: IRBIS
      If you start flailing with standard shells left and right, then in a year all the tanks and artillery will have to be handed over for repair, changing trunks, and this is a very expensive pleasure.


      Well, given the fact that in Russia, 12 000 units for conservation are (T-72, T-80) it will be cheaper to change the tank
  • Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 25 July 2013 10: 07 New
    +2
    Currently, the standard of ammunition allocated for training is quite low, which most directly affects the level of training of crews of equipment. So, during the exercises, the crew of each tank used up only two dozen shells. In artillery, the rate of ammunition consumption is at about the same level. In this regard, the Ministry of Defense plans to increase the standards, possibly several times.
    It is better to let these munitions be shot off at the landfills than they will later explode in warehouses. hi
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 25 July 2013 10: 17 New
    +1
    I read about doubts about the high cost of the teachings ... So they revealed and corrected forward
    Quote: AK-47

    But is it not expensive to draw such conclusions (the standard of ammunition allocated for training is quite low, the lack of a sufficient number of airfields)?


    My life is dearer to me, and the life of my loved ones is generally priceless
    I read about the outrage of the warning ...

    Yes, let them know, they are nervous, they strain their armies.

    My summary. Doctrines to conduct, sudden more often. And if anyone has diarrhea, then this is not for us, this is for the nurse ... Although in the geyrop, it still seems to be a nurse
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 25 July 2013 10: 40 New
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    Quote: Skiff
    During the transfer of troops by air, another of the existing problems manifested itself: the lack of a sufficient number of airfields. In this regard, the Ministry of Defense has already begun work on a proposal to partially change the structure of the air force.

    Well, they sold everything that they can now bite their elbows, but more specifically, who will ask commercial airports and other businesses for any permissions, under the law of wartime everything will be taken under state control, so I don’t see problems for panic and criticism .

    They remembered about the airdromes, but the fact that there aren’t enough transport aircraft, they didn’t mention it, why are there many airfields, if there is nothing to base on them? First you need to update the fleet of aircraft, make up, and airfields are the second thing!
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 25 July 2013 10: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Alez
    They survived, about the exercises on their territory, notified and reported to foreign states. The war will begin - Monsieur, I will now hit you with the City and a vigorous bomb, would you be so kind as to sign the telegram.

    American pi ... sys never warned anyone about the outbreak of war, but we warn about exercises!
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 25 July 2013 10: 45 New
    0
    Quote: ilf
    In the photo, surrender to the maroon beret (special forces of the FSIN "Shark")

    Well, what kind of thread the photo had to be put, so that it could be better! And if they don’t have normal photos from the exercises, then well done!
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 25 July 2013 10: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Gleb
    right, but this is not a "dogma". Intelligence takes AKMS not only because of PBS. The whole unit will not put Glushaki on. A pair of VALs are also required.
    I generally asked another colleague a question. From above they wrote that it’s giving in, and the answer was
    I also noticed, different weapons, along with AK-74 assault rifles are visible AKMS
    so it became interesting to me how the change relates to the fact that one with AKMS and the other with AK-74

    It's not about weapons, they are all in "spheres", and in the armed forces there are no spheres, only helmets!
    1. p-159
      p-159 25 July 2013 22: 15 New
      0
      full-time armor; sphere with a visor I don’t know which, kerasa with shoulders, knee-high, skirt, collar only about 40 kg
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 25 July 2013 10: 54 New
    +1
    By the way, if I’m not mistaken, the minister in this report indicated that in some places the low training of the soldiers was due to their insufficient service life.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 25 July 2013 10: 58 New
    0
    V. Putin and S. Shoigu also raised the topic of information coverage of maneuvers.
    Run ten drones and make the broadcast no, because this is PPC how cool it will be, first of all, for simple citizens

    The army has the opportunity to take such a step and thanks to this it will be able to increase the level of training of tankers and artillerymen.
    spend on the principle of older shells in consumption, in the language of accounting FiFo - First-In, First-Out. The main thing to bring new ones to the warehouses was not forgotten.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 25 July 2013 11: 17 New
    +1
    Tank trunks wear out - I agree, I'm not an expert, but is it better to write off trunks that have become unusable in old age (at least)?
    How old are they already? And an interesting rate of projectile consumption
    Quote: IRBIS
    Quote: Spade
    A "practice" like, not very shoots trunks? Is it an analogue of what, PF or cumulative?

    A practical shell is an analogue of a standard one. More often - this is a BC projectile in inert equipment, less often - HE with self-destructive equipment. Both were shot at the school, and only BK in the troops. Consumption rate - 3 projectile for each firing (gunner, tank commander). At training firing, loose barrels were used.
    Most of all the barrel is fired by firing a projectile. In the ammunition, there are only five of them.

    And for these few shots, tankers MUST learn to shoot and hit in any conditions, day and night?
    I don’t know who and on the basis of what established such norms, but it looks like malicious wrecking!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 July 2013 11: 21 New
      +3
      Trunks in old age are not written off. Tea is not a sausage to deteriorate from time to time. They only shoot with all the consequences, first of all, a decrease in the initial velocity of shells and accuracy.

      Shoot with loose trunks. And they shot like that under the USSR. And consumption rates have remained since those times.
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 25 July 2013 13: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Starover_Z
      And for these few shots, tankers MUST learn to shoot and hit in any conditions, day and night?

      If a tanker has worked out all the required training exercises, then he does not have problems with shooting. Shooting with regular ammunition is already a test of his skills. Shooting shells during training is not an allowed luxury. If a fighter gets from a supplementary barrel, then he will fall from a regular one.
      There are also "substitutes" for other weapons, whose ammunition is expensive.
      In addition, for firing standard shells you need a special firing range, the depth of which allows you to do this. Not all parts and connections have them.
      1. uwzek
        uwzek 25 July 2013 18: 19 New
        +2
        Here is your last argument key and is ...
        And the fact that a shot from a loose anti-tank rifle completely imitates firing with regular ammunition is a fairy tale, especially in the case of a tank. When firing from inset barrels, an automatic loader is not used, which units in the army are truly capable of using (just because many tankers did not shoot regular ammunition even after two years of service). Then, when firing from the insert, there is no need to switch the ballistic control system of the MSF, switch the fuse of the HE shell depending on the type of soil, work with modern types of ammunition: high-explosive fragmentation with ready-made striking elements, guided missiles, etc.
        As for the missiles - in general a disaster. They are supposed to be checked before charging, but special vehicles for that purpose, also need to be certified once a year, it is expensive and no one in the army has ever done this. That is, in the parts they are most likely to exist (specific equipment — driving it is difficult), but is it operable? And who will work on it?
        About the trunks. Any gun not designed for 50 shots is designed. The troops ride and shoot in "training" vehicles, the combat ones stand in the park. It’s easy to compensate for the loss of several barrels due to firing with normal shells due to the equipment located at the storage bases, there really is a lot of it, and its state is, to put it mildly, not so hot (but the guns are serviceable).
        Shells are aging too. So it’s up to the training ground (such as Kapustin Yar for missile launchers).
  • badabing
    badabing 25 July 2013 15: 22 New
    +1
    confiscate Vasilyeva’s property and a tank battalion provided with shots for the following exercises and what else do they need there
  • eplewke
    eplewke 25 July 2013 15: 34 New
    0
    Good news. The Japanese probably crap from the teachings. I fully support such teachings. About five years ago, we didn’t even know what teachings were. In an outfit with a bayonet with a knife ...
  • asadov
    asadov 25 July 2013 15: 42 New
    0
    what difference does it shoot and what? the most important thing is that the army recognizes signs of life at the training grounds and not at construction sites. The more often they shoot, the more they will hit targets and at least learn to do something.
  • Andrew
    Andrew 25 July 2013 18: 57 New
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    And what about the AK-74 is not installed PBS? Put on AKS74U.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 July 2013 19: 53 New
      0
      They are in theory. But they are not in the troops. Neither PBS nor subsonic cartridges under 5.45. Only international exhibitions ride, show.
  • gameover65
    gameover65 25 July 2013 22: 52 New
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    I am pleased with such teachings. For a long time the warrior didn’t move on our Sakhalin. and then the president himself and the Minister of Defense flew to see!
  • Combitor
    Combitor 25 July 2013 23: 24 New
    0
    I would like to ask the author, and the photograph published for the article has something to do with the described teaching?
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 26 July 2013 16: 05 New
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    Do not make me laugh. The whole North is now a passage yard and a "green corridor" for a devastating blow to Russia. Enemies destroyed the 10th Red Banner Air Defense Army of the country, which defended the entire North - from Vologda to the North Pole, from Kola to the Urals. What was brutally destroyed is that it was created by decades of enormous work and enormous expenses to unconditionally protect the country from a sudden blow from the most threatened direction.
    As always, no one is punished. Long list of destroyed airfields, positions of air defense and airborne forces, abandoned military camps ...
    And here - ICD (imitation of ebullient activity)
  • harrymur
    harrymur 26 July 2013 21: 40 New
    0
    the question is who holds the binoculars correctly)))
    1. volan
      volan 26 July 2013 23: 15 New
      +1
      Both are wrong!
      1. harrymur
        harrymur 27 July 2013 00: 24 New
        0
        take advantage of the help of the hall, or call a friend)), but Vova took it right, but it looks like a losin finished,
        you’re chasing your PR guys, you don’t see a horseradish brother, but you’ve built your face but your marshal-turn over your brother and the whole world will be yours, and PR people will substitute you,
        each binocular is individual and adapts to the user’s needs in advance for each eye, it is worn on the neck strap, on the chest, without giving anyone else hands, like your own member)))
        1. harrymur
          harrymur 27 July 2013 03: 01 New
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          took from there
          http://мультимедиа.минобороны.рф/images/military/military
          /photo/SAVX9634-1.jpg