Domestic weapons: personal opinion. Special Notes

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“The dagger is good for the one who has it, and it is bad for the one who does not have it at the right moment”
(Abdullah, "White Sun of the Desert")


Gunshot weapon - an essential attribute of civilization. Since ancient times, weapons served as a tool to protect, obtain food, conquer territories. And always a weapon is a tool that fulfills the will of its master, criminal or servant of the law, invader or defender of the Fatherland.

For eighteen years, small arms have been my constant companion. In the heat and cold, day and night, on different parts of the terrain, in different regions, in the shooting range, on the range, in battle, in everyday life - it is always with me. Over the years many samples of domestic military weapons and quite a few foreign weapons have passed through my hands. I know what each sample is capable of, what to expect from it, what to hope for and what to fear.

And, of course, each one has its own opinion, which often does not coincide with the widespread one. Not without my active participation in combat situations. And about weapons I can judge, perhaps, with a greater right than other "experts" on the Internet and some "weapon" magazines, who extensively describe the advantages and disadvantages of this or that type of weapon. The main misfortune of domestic small arms is mediocre, and sometimes simply terrible ergonomics, and, of course, low quality workmanship (this does not apply to the Soviet period).

But, as they say, how many people - so many opinions. So, let's begin…

Self-loading small-sized PSM gun

It can be deciphered as “Gun for Complacency. Maybe lucky. There is a known case when a wounded man, with five bullets in his stomach, fired from a PSM, independently walked to a medical facility located one and a half kilometers away.

5,45-mm PSM self-loading pistol


And the addition he was slender. Very accurate pistol, at the level of sports small-caliber pistols. Very compact. James Bond would be pleased with him. On a combat pistol would not prevent the spur on the lid of one of the shops. Suitable as a spare pistol, but not as the main weapon. Plus the problem with a shortage of ammunition.

Makarov pistol PM

Legendary, without a doubt, a gun. Reliability standard, relatively compact, always ready for battle. Even despite the venerable age, it still remains in service, and is actively used both in the shooting range and in the battle. Classic pistol for civil and police use. Of course, this is not a gun for target or speed shooting, but putting three bullets in the center of a standard target (a circle with a diameter of 10 cm) with 25 is not a problem for this “old man”. He is capable of more. Some of our PMs allow you to put five holes in the 6 circle. See As for the small stopping effect of a bullet, I can say that people say that, at best, kill paper targets and never shoot in a combat situation. It is important to get into the vital organs of the "target", otherwise even a rifle bullet will not guarantee a reliable defeat.

9-mm self-loading pistol PM


Some problems are created by steel core bullets, which sometimes rebound from solid obstacles. In recent years, the situation with ammunition for the PM has changed, there were cartridges with bullets with increased stopping power and increased penetrating ability of PBM (7НХNUMX). For example, the cartridge for law enforcement agencies PPO allows you to use weapons (pistols and submachine guns) in enclosed spaces, in populated areas, with a low probability of dangerous ricochets, due to the absence of a solid core in the bullet. There is information about the poor quality of PPO cartridges, unstable characteristics, but cartridges supplied to our unit are not presented with unpleasant surprises and the weapon works with them like a clock.

Makarov pistol modernized PMM-12

Modernization of PM for increased power cartridge. Improved ergonomics of the handle, store increased capacity. It is used with chuck and Pst, and PPO, as standard cartridges 7H16 - very rare and have not been made for a long time.

9-mm PMM self-loading pistol


Springs in stores work with overvoltage, so they quickly lose elasticity, which leads to delays when shooting. Poor-quality plastics from which the feeder is made cause cracks and wear or breakage of the feeder's teeth.

Pistol Tula Tokarev TT

Another weapon legend. Much has been said about him, you can add quite a bit. More suitable for military use when it is on alert. For its relatively small size, one of the most powerful pistols in the world.

7,62-mm TT self-loading pistols


And it is much more pleasant to the touch, for example, PJ and any "Glokov". Completely unsuitable for urban skirmishes and self-defense. A large bullet punching ability and the absence of a self-platoon can lead to a prison (right through to a passer-by) or to the cemetery (you need to have time to pull the trigger).

Stechkin APS automatic pistol

Same age PM, even more popular. Gun with a capital letter. Reliable, powerful, accurate, with a large ammunition and the possibility of automatic fire. Often used as the main weapon in operations in cramped spaces, when using bullet-proof shields, when only one hand is free. Auto mode is used when shooting at close distances to create a high density of fire and a greater likelihood of defeat.

Pistols APS with standard holsters-butts and pouches


APS pistols in a converted thigh holster with a rubber handle grip and twisted pistol strap


The favorite of employees of special divisions, demanded and now. Even before the pistol entered the unit, a real “hunt” was already taking place. Some, having tasted the “delights” of the PJ, prefer to exchange them for old, sometimes dismantled APS. The gun has a streamlined shape, does not cling to anything when quickly removed from the holster. Some problems with the retention creates a pistol grip, over the years polished with palms and clothes. In the heat and cold, the pistol tends to "slip" out of the hands. But this minor annoyance is eliminated by putting a bicycle chamber or a lining on the handle, for example, from Uncle Mike's.

A rather big gun, but with proper skill and experience it can be carried covertly, like all pistols. I usually wear it in my own, made into a strap-on holster, without any fasteners, for its quick retrieval, and with a twisted pistol strap, or in a bag that fits the size over the shoulder.

I never use a fuse, even if there is a cartridge in the chamber, no one is indignant at the lack of fuses on most revolvers, and a loaded self-cocking pistol is as safe as a charged revolver. When working in urban environments, carry a pistol in a converted thigh holster, and not buttoned - the design of the holster allows you to hold the pistol even in an inverted position. I carry spare stores on my left thigh in a makeshift pouch. One store always with an open valve for quick removal.

Pistol Yarygin PYa

Miracle of national weapon thought. Although, undoubtedly, the long-awaited type of army pistol. Powerful, moderately ergonomic, with a capacious store. But ... I doubt that in Soviet times it would be adopted. Pistol frankly "raw." Angular, with protruding parts, as if cut down with an ax. Workmanship is appropriate. When ten new pistols were fired off with sporting cartridges issued for firing practice, two pistols had their sleeves attached, one misfire, and a shot after repeated firing. When equipping the stores, the sharp edges of the jaws cut the fingers and in order not to die from periodic bleeding, you have to pick up the file. With an increase in store capacity by one cartridge, you would have to move the holes to control the number of cartridges (an 18-charging pistol was adopted in the MOI). The holes themselves are located on the right side, and in order to visually determine the number of rounds, the magazine must be completely pulled out of the handle or left-handed. It was probably not possible to move the holes to the left or the rear wall of the store.

Latch store is not protected by anything, accidental pressing while wearing - not uncommon. At best, you can lose the store, at worst - to remain in the face of danger with an empty chamber, because if you accidentally press the store latch button, it moves down from the spreading line and the bolt slips past the cartridge. And the store is sort of in the handle, pressed down by the latch. The store itself should have been made according to the type of the APS store, with large windows, or the type of the PSM store, in order to facilitate ammunition equipment. The slide stop lever is located close to the fuse and when you press one of the levers, the other falls under the finger, which requires additional effort. On some relatively new pistols, the bolt spontaneously falls from the bolt delay. The back of the shutter - downright openwork design. Probably specially made for collecting various debris. (Unlike PM and APS).

9-mm automatic pistols APS


The notch at the front of the bolt is probably a tribute to fashion and nothing more. When using this notch, your fingers will bump into the sharp edges of the front of the frame. Maybe it is used to check the presence of the cartridge in the chamber, as they do on foreign pistols? But for this there is a pointer to the presence of a cartridge in the chamber.

Double-sided safety lever. Good decision. But if there is only a right-sided standard holster, this solution remains unclaimed. The same can be said about the fuse with the cocked trigger. Absolutely superfluous function. When removing the pistol from the holster at the same time, cocking the trigger is not a problem. Moreover, the self-cocking on the PU is mild and does not affect strongly the accuracy of the first shot.

Domestic weapons: personal opinion. Special Notes
9 mm self-loading pistol


What the PJ doesn’t take away is a smooth descent and a quick return to the aiming line after the shot. For high-speed shooting, he is more fit. The similarity of USM PT and PSM is obvious and noticeable even to a non-specialist. Why not make the fuse the same as on the PSM design and place it on the gate, ensuring simultaneous disengagement and cocking of the trigger. And at the same time to close the back of the shutter from possible contamination by foreign objects. The protrusion on the front of the trigger guard for the index finger. Maybe he improves shooting accuracy - I did not notice much difference. A pistol tosses the same way as with a normal grip. And with such a wide bracket, for a normal grip one must have not an index finger, but a tentacle. The sighting devices had to be streamlined in order to prevent engagement with clothes or an operational holster.

The gun has only one spare magazine included. Regular cartridges with Pst bullet differ from the 9x19 Luger sport cartridges used during training firing, the level of acoustic impact on the shooter, greater recoil force and a strong flash when fired. As a result, the shooter learns about these features only when using a pistol in combat conditions. When using cartridges with a Pst bullet in enclosed spaces, dangerous ricochets were observed, which can be corrected by replacing half of the wearable ammunition with cartridges with lead core bullets. In general, such things with this gun. Complete analogy with domestic and foreign cars. It looks like, but something in ours is not that ...

Self-loading Special MSS Pistol

It is possible to say about him with complete confidence that the phrase that is abused in our country - “has no analogues”. Compact gun, flat enough for concealed carrying. Accurate, unpretentious, always ready for battle - no need to attach a silencer.

7,62-mm PSS special self-loading pistol


Used as a second or third weapon. Rarely, but if necessary - he is ready at your service. A pistol is not uncommon for those who put it. There are no problems with patrons either.

Knife NPC-2, glasses PN14K, pistol MSS, cartridges SP4 and 7Н36


Revolver TKB-0216

Substantially degraded version of Smith and Wesson revolvers. Its only advantage is smooth and soft descent. Given its large size, it would be possible to use more powerful ammunition, for example SP10, SP11.

9-mm revolver TKB-0216 (OTs-01 Cobalt


Poorly fitted cheek handles. Often the axis of the drum is unscrewed spontaneously.

Submachine gun PP-93

Compact submachine gun with good fire capabilities. With some experience, you can “plant” the entire store in the target. Good accuracy and when shooting automatic fire with one hand. In the modification of the APB has a set of CBE and a powerful laser pointer LP93. Unfortunately, it is possible to simultaneously attach either PBS or LCC to the barrel. Fastening is carried out using a latch and has a large backlash. The shoulder rest is still a masterpiece. Due to the small recoil, it is still possible to cope with the back-up embryo, but due to the poor fixation of the shoulder rest in the fighting position, the bullets do not always go in the desired direction. And over time, this site even more loose.


9-mm automatic pistol submachine guns (modification PP-93) with installed CB (above) or LCC (below)


Store latch button is very good. No complaints, which can not be said about the handle of the platoon, located in a very interesting place. In order to quickly bring up the bolt, you need to train for a long time, since you need not just to pull the handle, but before that you should also drown it and do not forget to return it back, like on a PC. Otherwise, during the shot, you can shake the handle that comes back together with the shutter on your fingers. Translator-fuse is located on the "right" side, but the flat form does not always allow you to quickly rearrange the modes of fire, especially in winter, with gloves.

9 mm submachine gun CP-2M "Heather"

Powerful submachine gun, accurate, with a large ammunition. The samples purchased for the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation do not have a standard collimator sight - one of the main attributes of this weapon. Instead of a standard case, there is a cover from the AKS-74U machine and a bag for AK-74 stores. Apparently, the Ministry of Internal Affairs did not have enough money, or the responsible officials did not consider it necessary to purchase weapons in the standard configuration.

9 mm CP-2M submachine gun with 30-charging magazine. Nearby is the 20 charging shop.


Submachine gun CP-2M - fuse and reloading handle located on the right side


At the very first communication, the ill-conceived arrangement of controls is surprising. The fuse is located on the right side, although if you place it on the left side, under the thumb, you could quickly bring the weapon to combat readiness, and also quickly translate into a safe state. And all this - with one hand. The translator of fire modes is opposite - it is used most often once, and quick access to it is not necessary. For fast reloading, the bolt handle should be moved to the other side or made double-sided. With a folded butt, on some samples, the right thrust overlaps the folded cocking handle by a couple of millimeters, and the handle has to be picked out from under the butt.

When entering "Vereskov" in the division, everyone who took their hands paid attention to the too long shoulder rest. When shooting in a bulletproof vest, it is very noticeable, especially when held by the front grip.

By the way, about the handle. The thing, of course, necessary. When using the handle lock, sooner or later it pinches the skin on the index finger. The handle itself is located close to the muzzle, which with intense firing is very hot and does not add comfort to the hand. It would be nice to install a plastic cover at the bottom of the muzzle. Would not hurt the muzzle with compensating holes. When holding the weapon by the front handle, the sharp edges of the lower part of the forearm cut into the brush. Tolerant, but unpleasant. More recently, during the operation, I attempted to silently send a cartridge into the chamber. That is, to accompany the slide frame with your hand, avoiding the impact of moving parts in the forward position. I did it out of habit, since this focus "rolls" on 9-91.

The bolt pushed the upper cartridge, which along the way pulled the lower one along with it. As a result, the upper cartridge was buried in the breech section of the barrel, the lower cartridge half crawled out of the store, propped up the upper cartridge from below and jammed the magazine, which it was impossible to extract. I had to hold the slide frame with my left hand, pick out the upper cartridge with my right finger, and push the lower cartridge back into the magazine. In the manual, this delay is due to a shop malfunction. And this is - on the new software with several shots. In general, in terms of size, ease of use and power, the CP-2М is inferior to the tested and reliable 9А-91 machine.



Kalashnikov rifles

As for any "authoritative" statements about the best machine in the world, the most reliable, the strongest, which you can not clean, throw from any height, and so on, I will say the following. Kalashnikov assault rifles, I think, are not the best in the world. Otherwise they would have armed the whole world and the nearest inhabited planets. In the eighties, the Belgian FN FAL was the most common rifle in the world. This speaks of her fighting qualities, since Belgium is a small country and cannot afford, like the United States and the USSR, to give, sell for cheap, or use weapons as a reward for loyalty to itself.


7,62-mm AKMS and AK 1954 automatic machines of release


In this position, in addition to the price being arranged, quality plays a decisive role. Many materials appeared in the press about the developed weapon models, which at one time were superior to the AK family in many respects, but it turns out that at that time the fighting qualities of these samples were not decisive in choosing the best one. And it’s difficult to call Kalashnikov (I personally respect him very much) as the sole author of the design, because, again, according to the media, dozens of institutes and enterprises participated in the creation of the AK family and its fine-tuning. Undoubtedly, the Kalashnikov rifle is both beautiful and reliable and convenient for someone, but it turned out to be not very suitable for my work.

In my work I often have to carry loaded weapons. The situation is interesting: on the one hand, one must be prepared for the immediate opening of fire - therefore the fuse is removed, the cartridge in the chamber. On the other hand, there is no obvious threat, around are citizens of the Russian Federation, you have to move around, do some manipulations with your hands, and therefore it is better to keep the weapon on the guard. To open fire, one motion is desirable, and preferably a shooting hand. Kalashnikov assault rifle - not the weapon that can instantly open fire. To do this, I need to either keep the fuse off (and constantly shaking at the thought of a random shot). Or take the machine gun in your left hand, remove your right hand from the pistol grip and remove the machine gun from the fuse. A lot of time and a lot of manipulation. The reloading handle is also on the right side and again makes you remove your hand from the trigger. A short low butt, an uncomfortable pistol grip, the junction of which with the receiver rubs the skin between the thumb and forefinger.

7,62-mm assault rifle L1A1 —English modification of the Belgian FN FAL


Butts of the machines AKS-74 and AKS-74U also do not deliver special joy to the hand. I understand that the right location of the butt-hip butt is very convenient when the butt is folded, but the weapon is mostly worn in a firing position, and such a hut-position for me personally is not very convenient, especially if you wear it with the barrel down. The store has many protruding parts that prevent you from removing the magazine from the equipment and insert a blank back. I do not understand the reluctance of the people responsible for the supply (at least of the police) to adopt the stores of increased capacity. Four-row and drum shops are used all over the world, except for our hearty ones. Paired stores are not used from a good life. If you do not go to the mountains or do not shoot at targets, all the "authoritative" statements about the imbalance and weighting of the weapon are forgotten during a shootout at close range. When cleaning the premises, when it is necessary to create a high density of fire and the enemy is so close that any normal person has a natural desire to have as many cartridges as possible in the store (it is desirable that they do not end). And no one remembers the imbalance and excess weight.

If any factory or firm would have taken and released drum shops or couplers for mating AK-74 stores, I think that not only I would have bought such shops for reasonable money.


7,62-mm AKM machine gun (with installed PBS-1 and GP-25) and 5,45-mm shortened machine gun AKS-74U


Reliability AK and M16

The most important "chip" AK (compared with the family M16) in reliability. No questions - AK can not be cleaned, raped, as you wish, but he will shoot and shoot. Well, firstly, the weapons still need to be cleaned - any. Secondly, the reliability of AK is based on the high speed of rollback of moving parts and a large gap between them. Hence the main drawback - the increase in dispersion during automatic shooting. Personally, I think that for the army or for those who use weapons, mostly carrying them on their shoulders or firing a few rounds at a shooting range, the Kalashnikov rifle is even too good. This weapon is unpretentious, allowing to some extent barbarous attitude. I think the AK fully complies with the requirements for mass weapons.

5,45-mm AK-74M machine gun, improved by the owner


And for my work needs automatic caliber 5,45 mm, thickened trunk 30 cm long, with the store large capacity, the device low noise shooting, slide stop, two-way fuse, automatic safety on the trigger, adjustable butt and Picatinny rail - for front handles, collimators, optics, flashlights and target designators. The ideal version of such a weapon is the presence of interchangeable barrels (standard and compact length for actions in rooms). The presence of a replaceable barrel will lead to more complex designs and increased cost. But it is cheaper to have one machine with two trunks than two machines of different dimensions. We sometimes have situations where we are forced to take with us operations other than the standard AK-74M, and small-sized weapons such as 9А-91, and silent, depending on the situation, which often changes during a single operation.

5,56-mm American assault rifle M16


As for reliability ... Designer Korobov said that he wanted to create a machine gun that would help the soldier survive in the trench, and not survive all the soldiers in the trench ... Comments, as they say, are superfluous. Personally, I do not need 200% reliability. 100% reliability and 100% ergonomics are enough for me. Now about the eternal dispute AKM and AK74. Without any doubts. Only 5,45 mm! (During military service, I had many weapons in my hands. There was AKMS with PBS-1 and GP-25. There was AK-74. And after the army there were many different samples, including AK-74M, and AKS-74U.) First, ammunition. I can take a lot more 7H10 cartridges (5,45 mm), carry them further, and shoot them off before the overheating of the barrel more than the PS rounds. 1943 g. (7,62 mm). Secondly, the AK-74’s bullet trajectory is much more plausible, which is of great importance in battle, and the bullets are no less penetrable and damaging. Thirdly, the accuracy of the AK-74 is no worse than that of the AKM. As for the bounce and annoying discussions about shooting through the branches, all the pointed bullets will ricochet - these are the laws of physics. And through the branches you need to aim better. And in general, there is an old principle: I don’t see - I don’t shoot.

Once we conducted a spontaneous experiment. At the range, they made several shots at random, with a high rate at breast targets located on different sides of the shooter, which is similar to life. It turned out that the AK-74M (5,45 mm) returns to the aiming line much faster than the AKMS machine gun (7,62 mm). If you give a long line of AKMS, which is often done by normal people in a difficult situation, then most of the bullets just pierce the sky. But AK-74 allows such liberties, including shooting with it. Putting a big plus AKM for having a silencer is not serious. Even in my office, far from Moscow and the supply bases, 100% of personnel have noiseless weapons, with various modifications. And cartridges to him in abundance. And the fact that AKM shoots US and PS ammunition is also not a special plus. Practically any of the silent weapons is better than the AKM machine gun with PBS-1 - cooler, lighter, more compact. And the gross bullets PAB-9 and BP break through the fact that AKM with cartridges of PS and US is not under force. Not to mention the 5,45-mm cartridges of PP and BP, which we shaft, and they are not inferior to the cartridge BRS and the like. So here AKM is not a leader. Yes, and the knock of moving parts on AKM with PBS, and the same on the OTs-14, is not muffled by PBS cotton.

And again about the rebound when firing AK-74. I read and hear about it all the time. It seems that all the shooters fall only into the branches, they run out of ammunition, and in impotence they throw their AK-74 to the ground and look with envy at the happy AKM owner. And he mows bushes with hooligans hiding behind them, like a machine gunner with the Minigun mows the jungle in Predator. By the way, in the movies it is issued for the truth. In fact, no one on earth can do this, because this machine gun has no sighting devices, is powered by batteries, such as automobiles, has a return of more than 100 kg, and spits out as much ammunition in a short line as many people cannot carry. Once again. Ricochet all pointed bullets. AKM has no advantages. Really ricochets are so strong that they don’t even touch the target from one store. Or maybe find a gap? Or maybe it is better to aim?

From any machine ...

Finally, the simplest example. You have AKM, and other ignoramuses AK-74. Ammunition - only those that are with you. Sometimes ammo runs out. However, not all. AK-74 owners can easily share ammunition with each other. And you? I have AK-74M 1992 release. With a butt that does not fold out the first time, with a gas piston, on which a layer of chromium is thinner than a children's hair, with a pistol grip from the Saiga and a pirated copy of the forearm with a handle, with a Cobra sight, which does not stand next to the grenade launcher, and the main advantage of this machine is that it is.
Automatic special AS "Val"

Very comfortable, applied. So he asks in his hands. The butt itself finds the point of emphasis in the shoulder, the cheek to go to the right place on the butt. Of the domestic folding butts, the butt speakers are the best. The rough surface allows you to firmly hold the fire control handle, which is also facilitated by the shape of the handle itself. The relatively long sighting line has a positive effect on the accuracy of shooting. Convenient, despite its small size, the forearm has the same non-slip surface as the handle. The handguard is completely blocked by the folded butt and in such a position to shoot, for example, in a tight space, holding the weapon securely, is difficult. To fix this flaw, I installed the handle on the muffler housing. Virtually every detail in the machine helps to improve accuracy and reduce noise when shooting. By these parameters, it surpasses all similar domestic automata. I, for example, at a distance of 100 m, lying with an optical sight, fell into the bottom of an inert VOG-25 shot. Of course, not the first shot.

9-mm automaton speaker with an additional installed front handle and a lantern.

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Spare shops and clips with cartridges for their equipment.


The automatic machine gives a lot to its owner, but also requires special attention. This applies to service, or rather cleaning. Anyone who has dealt with cleaning the AU and VSS after the shooting will understand what I mean. Gunpowder P-45, used in regular cartridges, gives a rich carbon deposits, which after some time hardens, you have to sweat to get rid of it. The lion's share of time is taken by cleaning the separator and the inner surface of the muffler as the most susceptible to the destructive action of powder gases. Here in the course are various powders and gels for cleaning dishes. But, despite all these little things, the machine is very good. Although it requires a delicate handling. I love this machine, and it reciprocates me.

Rifle Sniper Special ARIA "Vintorez"

Great rifle. Compact, soft, accurate. In our division, it is used with automaton shops.

9-mm sniper rifle BCC. The silencer is equipped with a place to install additional equipment.


The standard SP-5 and SPP cartridges have, to a small extent, different ballistics, so our snipers, depending on preferences, lead their rifles to a normal battle under the type of cartridge they like. Only the absence of a cheek on the butt is depressing, which, apparently, was done in favor of a quick transition, when firing, to mechanical sights.

Compact machine 9А-91

This "workhorse". Compact, powerful machine. Streamlined shape. In the dashing nineties, it was widely used as a weapon of concealed carrying, with the capture of criminals who are in the cabin of a vehicle or in a dwelling. Due to its small thickness, weight, folding loader handle, it was often transferred covertly, under a jacket, behind a belt or on its side on a belt loop over its shoulder. Butt in the folded position does not exceed the dimensions of the machine. It is easily and quickly transferred from the traveling position to the combat position and back. Super Reliable. It shoots at any degree of pollution. The sighting devices are very clearly “outlined”, but due to the small length of the sighting line, it is unrealistic to shoot more than 50 m, and more than 100 m.

Upgraded 9A-91 with collimator sight


The machine has several modifications: The first one is equipped with a compensator, it has a fuse-translator on the left side. The second is completed with a muffler and a translator of reduced sizes. Compensator is missing. The third (1995) is completed with a silencer, a bracket for mounting optical sights. In this regard, the translator-fuse box is moved to the right side. There is a variation of this modification, in which there is no bracket for mounting optics. The last modification has a larger scale. Moving the fuse box to the right side made it difficult to manipulate. Low store capacity. Would not hurt the bundled store increased capacity or coupling for the two stores. The difficulty of replacing it. Availability of one spare shop. Shops of some automata are not fixed in the necks of other automata due to the excess of the size of the thickness of some stores and the mismatch of the windows for the store latch with the latches of some automata.

Shops were produced with feeders of different designs and different arrangement of openings to control the presence of cartridges. First produced feeders with the right location of the upper cartridge. Then they released the feeders with the left top chuck position. Shops with second type feeders have an opening for controlling the number of cartridges, made one thickness higher than with the first type. As a result of poor quality control at the factory, stores began to arrive with the first type of feeders with the late model shops. When such stores are filled with cartridges, the cartridge case is visible in the hole, which signals that the magazine is fully equipped with 20 cartridges. Actually in the 19 cartridges shop. All this leads to problems in obtaining and surrendering weapons and ammunition.

There are no guides on the forearm for fixing the flashlight and the front handle. After the abolition of the compensator, the front handle would not be superfluous. The handle of the bolt carrier is poorly fixed in the combat position, spontaneously folded, which creates difficulties when reloading in a combat situation and when using gloves. When firing cartridges SP5, PUB-9, BP in the ground and solid obstacles at an angle almost one hundred percent ricochets are observed.

Gun-grenade complex OTs-14-4A "Thunderstorm"

The impossibility of shooting from the left shoulder. The shooter's face is located above the hole for ejection of spent cartridges and, accordingly, outgoing powder gases. The inconvenience of store replacement.

9 / 40-mm gun-launcher complex OTs-14-4A


Option OTs-14-4A silent sniper rifle


Just one spare shop. Translator-fuse does not allow them to quickly use. When shooting in a helmet and body armor, it is normal to “attach” normally. After shooting you will find a tedious cleaning. It turns out, after several shops, to clean the “Thunderstorm” is even more dreary than the AU machine gun and the BCC rifle because of the many hard-to-reach places in the receiver.

Sniper rifle Dragunov SVD

There is nothing bad to say. Excellent rifle, proven. When using plastic linings of the forearm, it was not possible to achieve a tight fit to the forearm knot, which slightly distorts the elegant look of this beauty. To mitigate recoil, the back plate of the GP-25 grenade launcher is often used. The standard sight basically meets the requirements of the rifle.

7,62-mm sniper rifle SVD


7,62-mm sniper rifle SVD-S with folding stock


Sniper rifle Dragunov SVD-S

Compact version of the SVD. Thickened barrel gives more stable results. The shape of the fire control handle does not contribute to its firm hold. The rifle when firing sensitively "kicks."

SVU-AS sniper rifle

Dimensions and accuracy - better than the SVD. My SVU-AS factory shooting - 2,5 cm 100 m, LPS bullet, 4 shot. When shooting, you can stand side by side, in contrast to the SVD, the recoil is not strong compared to the SVD. Weight - 5,5 kg, but not very heavy. Due to the fact that the trigger pull is a long, thin plate, and hidden under a high, poorly fixed lid, when the trigger is pressed, it bends, rests against the lid. And then passes the effort to the trigger. Therefore, the descent is long and unpredictable. When shooting, especially from a bipod, the power of the compensator is such that it blows the rifle a few centimeters to the side, the target is lost in sight. Without optics, with a mechanical sight - very accurate, convenient type FG42, especially since the sight and the front sight are copied from it and the front sight is added. It is strange that nowhere and no one is mentioned.

7,62-mm sniper rifle shortened SVU-AS


Sniper rifle CB-98

Dubin, but shoots well. In the passport - the best group of 10 shots - 8,8 cm on 300 m. The assembly is in the best national traditions. When assembling the valve in the factory, pins were inserted into the holes from the bottom, and a guide bar was attached on top, which should be attached to the valve with these pins. When attaching the bolt to the rifle, the bar fell down and jammed the bolt. Barely dismantled it. Then he wondered how this strap is attached. Bulky shops, clearly overdeveloped design. Unified sports case included - long only for a rifle, but does not contain a rifle with a silencer. With sights for this rifle there was a whole epic. They entered the unit only with night sights. So they stood idle. Then one good man gave the unit an expensive Zeiss sight - Diavari 2.5-10-50T. A year later, received the PPO 5-15х50.

7,62 mm sniper rifle CB-98


Then, after a considerable period of time, we got the Belarusian sight POSP 4x12-42W with mounts under the Weaver bar. Although the rifle worth rail Picatinny. The locking pins on the sight bracket preventing longitudinal displacement did not fit the guide on the rifle, which was corrected by a file. It turns out that for a couple of years the rifles were not used as intended. Due to the lack of scopes. The rifle is bulky and, due to its maneuverable qualities, loses the SVD. In practice, the accuracy of the SVD is quite at the level corresponding to the conditions of its use. In the highlands, the weight of the CB-98 is a tangible burden.

Reliability unchecked by time and operation forces the sniper to take on the operation SVD, SVD-S or VSS, VSK-94. They are proven and reliable. And CB-98 is often assigned the role of a rifle for competition.

Sniper rifle CB-99

I think the reason for its appearance in service is as follows. Izhevsk had to sell something. And then someone from the responsible ranks who had read or heard from their surroundings about the use of small-caliber rifles in the United States as "dog-killers" and "light-destroyers", came up with the idea to purchase such things. And Izhevsk is right there. Rifle pupa, but practically suitable only for sports and entertainment shooting. A powerful cartridge “Groundhog”, I think, will not stand it, and you will not fall down anyone at once with weaker cartridges. Since it is in service as a sniper, ammunition for firing is released at the rates corresponding to rifles of normal caliber. That is, there is no difference from what to shoot - from CB-99 or from SVD and CB-98. So it is better to shoot rifles of normal caliber. The telescope bracket does not have a locking pin and after removing the sight, it is impossible to install it exactly in the same place.

§ 5,6 mm sniper rifle CB-99


Kalashnikov light machine gun Modernized RPK-203

It has sufficient fire power at close range. Put the shank as on the "Vepr-12", bipod on the bar, front handle, collimator, drum magazine. If you go deep, USM should be done both on the American IAR with "front and rear sear." If desired, the conditions for the application of the PKK can be found. In the melee, in the city, to create a fire curtain, if the PC machine gun is too lazy to carry. In general, we need a machine gun for automatic cartridges, with tape feed, with interchangeable barrels of different lengths and a folding butt. At one time there was a very good machine gun RPD-44. The prototype of all of today's machine guns chambered, less powerful than rifle. Compared with the machine gun, the PC is more compact, allowing the machine gunner to carry more ammunition. Modern conditions of warfare, for example, in settlements, and the tactics of special units provide this type of machine gun with the right to exist. A small upgrade by installing a new plastic forend more length, the system of slats for the front handle and bipod, lightweight butt (can skeletal design).

7,62-mm light machine gun RPK-203


It is a pity, because of the presence of a return spring in the butt will not work to make it foldable. Bring the pit closer to the breech breech, to facilitate the transfer of the direction of fire. And be sure to place the bar for sight on the receiver cover. That's it - the mini PC is ready.

Kalashnikov machine gun modernized machine gun PKMS

Powerful machine gun. Does not like bending back the tape when shooting - the possibility of a delay is likely. The lack of a folding stock and high-grade forearm. And from this machine gun often shoot with it. Includes all boxes of 200 ammo. And is used, as a rule, without a machine. Large size, with a long wear loosened carrying handle. The best way to rework is like the Americans, like SPW. You can put a muzzle brake compensator, and then when shooting from a hard surface, it jumps. And the box for ammunition is more compact. Under-barrel grenade launchers: GP-25. Still remains the best in its class.

7,62-mm machine gun PKMS


Compact and quick-fire. Equally important is the ability to fire at a distance less than 100 m. Sight this allows. Over time, the node connecting the trunk with the body trigger is loose. On some often operated rocket launchers, clamps weakened from rust. When fired, they broke, and the grenade launchers flew from the machine guns. Features self-cocked trigger negatively affect the accuracy of shooting.

GP-30

My favorite rocket launcher. Comfortable sight, almost “pistol” descent, smooth and relatively soft. Convenient fuse. There is no installation on the sight for shooting at a distance of 50 m. When shooting at close distances, when you press against the butt you can shlopot blow.

5,45-mm AK-74 machine gun with grenade launcher GP-25


5,45 mm AK-103 assault rifles with grenade launchers GP-30 and GP-34М


5.45-mm AK-103 machine gun with grenade launcher GP-30M


GP-30M

Almost the same. No fuse, than I am very disappointed. Extractor, playing the role of a ramrod. In traveling position does not understand. The high-pressure chamber is now tightly attached to the trunk of the GP-34. Descent like a water gun. Do not compare with GP-30. The sight is more difficult to handle. When installing the 50 m sight, you have to press your cheek against the crest of the butt, and after the shot you wake up. Like a blow to the jaw. The butt plate is twice as thick as the old one, and it is almost impossible to shoot in a bulletproof vest and unloading vest. And most importantly, when installing the ramrod is removed, and the assembly is assembled, just put it nowhere.

Manual Grenade Launcher Special RGS-50M

Multipurpose weapons, with appropriate ammunition. No straps for mounting the belt. Have to carry in the bag. In the course of the application, repeated cases of discrepancy between the trajectories of the shots with the installations of the sight were revealed.

50-mm hand grenade launcher special RGS-50M


Manual Anti-personnel Grenade Launcher WG-6

The high density of fire is reduced to no time spent on loading. Together with the 20 rounds of ammunition, the shots represent a greater load on the shooter, especially in individual body armor. Moreover, a normal grenade launcher, in his right mind, will never give up a machine gun with ammunition. With the folded shoulder rest, the butt plate prevents the control handle from being gripped normally and opened fire. Although such situations are taking place. It would be possible to make another hole in the base of the grenade launcher to push the shoulder support centimeters by five. Antabka on the left side, as on GM-94, would not hurt. On the right side of the arrow is the machine. On the left - a grenade launcher as an additional weapon.

40-mm hand-held anti-personnel grenade launcher RG-6


Grenade Magazine GM-94

It can successfully replace WG-6 and WGS-50. Very ergonomic. Fully double sided. There is an indicator of the presence of a shot in a grenade launcher. Allows you to shoot at a distance closer than 50 m. At one time, the US Navy SEAL fighters would have given a lot for GM-94, since they had to use heavy (more than 8 kg without shots), uncomfortable EX-41 grenade launcher during combat operations in South Vietnam .

43-mm hand magazine grenade launcher GM-94


Carabiner Special 18.5 KS-K

At one time, the KS-23 carbine was developed as a weapon that allows you to deliver a projectile of greater volume and mass to the target than a 12 caliber weapon. Weapons are now being commissioned for a reason which is clearly the opposite of the one that was the reason for switching to 23 mm weapons. And often the weapon 12-th caliber is presented as the ideal weapon for operations at close range. Apparently, not without regard to foreign experience. But there criminals usually use pistols, revolvers, and guns. And the use of smooth-bore weapons to neutralize them is quite adequate. In addition, the urban buildings they are made of less thick and durable material than ours. We have a different situation. The criminals are armed, most often with automatic weapons, and the doors in the apartments are mostly iron. Our smooth-bore weapons are an inadequate response to a threat.

Special 18.5 KS-K 12 caliber carabiner


Bulky weapon. Dimensions, even with a folded butt, do not allow working with him in a tight space. The design of the weapon does not allow you to install the forearm with straps for the front handle and attachments, as in the regular forearm there is a butt clamp spring in the folded position. And with a quick pace of shooting or shooting with a folded butt, the front handle is not at all a superfluous detail. The rubber butt plate is designed in such a way that it is possible to fix the butt in the folded position after a couple of strokes with the palm, due to the fact that the rubber does not allow the retainer to engage with the butt. When a magazine is equipped with eight cartridges, it cannot be fixed in a weapon. To attach even an empty magazine to the carabiner, again, a palm strike from the bottom is necessary to fix it.

In conclusion, I can say that all of the above is not only my personal opinion, it is the opinion of my colleagues and colleagues from other departments. We work with weapons not only on the range or in the dash. Very often it is necessary to use weapons according to their main and historical purpose. These are the realities of our life. It may seem that I am too critical of some samples. Or too pampered and I want a "comfortable" weapon. But in my work there are no trifles. Especially related to weapons. Any little thing, a hitch with manipulations, uncomfortable application is even worse - the delay in shooting can adversely affect the integrity of my skin. And I trust only those weapons that I personally checked at the range or in battle.
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  1. +24
    11 July 2013 09: 38
    With all due respect, there is no 200% reliability. And even 100%. But sometimes this is the last thought before eternity.
    1. +7
      11 July 2013 23: 35
      hi

      Colleagues, is it only able to wedge the comp, showing on the screen samples of weapons with inappropriate names?

      In general, I want to give an example, from my own experience, of the effectiveness of shooting from AKM.
      At the beginning of the 80's, in the winter they carried out test firing from AKM. The exercise was practiced from the position of Lying, in gas masks. It was snowy, and besides, the snow was chalking, naturally the target field was “washed out” and the targets were hardly recognized. For me, the shooting conditions were complicated by the fact that I wear glasses, because I have complex astigmatism (-2, + 0,5), and I had to take off my glasses naturally, and although I am right-handed, I have a left eye. Despite this, with the ammunition allocated according to the conditions of the exercise, he first set his three targets, and then the neighbor’s target as well. because of the above conditions, it was necessary to shoot at everything that resembled a target.
      After the AK-74 began to enter the army everywhere, along with all the rumors of ricochets, bullets with a displaced center, etc., I decided to check its bulletproofness. One after another, at a distance of 40-50 cm, 5 put empty cans of cereal from the ration and fired from a distance of about 20 m, fired a single shot with an 7Н6 cartridge with a steel core in a lead shirt and a bimetallic shell. As a result, after the hit - the 1 and 2 banks were left in place with even inlet and outlet openings, the 3 banks were blown off with oblique inlets and outlets, the 4 banks flew out punched by small holes (not always through), t .to. the bullet burst corny, but 5-I bank remained in place.
      A tracer bullet often, at short distances, hitting an obstacle bursting "worked" like an explosive one.
      PM, on the other hand, shot with a regulated descent, and even with a "center" fight, in general - a song ...
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  2. Vovka levka
    +2
    11 July 2013 09: 38
    As for any "authoritative" statements about the best machine in the world, the most reliable, the strongest, which you can not clean, throw from any height, and so on, I will say the following. Kalashnikov assault rifles, I think, are not the best in the world. Otherwise they would have armed the whole world and the nearest inhabited planets. In the eighties, the Belgian FN FAL was the most common rifle in the world. This speaks of her fighting qualities, since Belgium is a small country and cannot afford, like the United States and the USSR, to give, sell for cheap, or use weapons as a reward for loyalty to itself.

    What is true is true.
    Very objective article.
    1. +24
      11 July 2013 09: 53
      Kalashnikov assault rifle recognized as the most common small arms in the world
      The Kalashnikov assault rifle is undeniably the most widely used small arms in the world. According to estimates by the US Center for Defense Information, more than 100 million units of Kalashnikov assault rifles of various modifications are currently used in the world, writes Washington ProFile.

      For comparison, from 1 million to 10 million machine guns of the Uzi family (Israel), 5-7 million automatic rifles, machine guns and machine guns of the FN FAL family (a prototype developed in Belgium, modifications are made in Canada, the USA, Austria, Great Britain, etc., circulate in the world .d.), about 7 million units of rifles and machine guns of the Heckler & Koch family (originally, Germany) and as many automatic rifles of the M-16 family (USA).

      In addition to Russia, Kalashnikov assault rifles are now produced in more than 10 countries around the world. Foreign Policy estimates that the cost of one machine gun on the black market ranges from $ 10 in Afghanistan to $ 3 in India.

      In the 1980s, Kalashnikov assault rifles were banned from being imported into the United States - they gained too much popularity in criminal circles. Now in the USA, Kalashnikovs can be purchased for relatively little money - from 70 to 350 dollars per unit.
      FN FAL
      In 1953, the rifle was ready for mass production. Canada was the first to adopt it in 1955 under the designation C1. In 1956, the FN FAL was adopted by Belgium. In 1957 it was adopted in England under the designation L1 SLR. In 1958 it was adopted by Austria under the designation Sturmgewehr 58. When adopted, the rifle was equipped with a muzzle brake in accordance with NATO standards, which allowed firing standard rifle grenades. FN FAL has been adopted in more than 70 countries. The production license was acquired by many countries, the largest manufacturers are Belgium, Austria (Steyr company), Great Britain (RSAF Enfield and BSA), Australia (Lithgow arsenal), Brazil (IMBEL). In most countries, production was curtailed between 1970 and 1980. At the beginning of the XXI century, Brazil and the United States remain the most active producers. In America, high production volume is determined by the presence of many modifications of the FN FAL, including for civilians
      1. +13
        11 July 2013 10: 46
        I respect the opinion of Cardin as a professional, but again he does not have the opportunity to try foreign weapons. If he tried FN-FAL, he would really change his mind about these weapons. Yes, use it as a self-loading, then this is a normal weapon, but when shooting bursts even with short shots, it’s not worth talking about any aiming. The Belgians pushed away the CBT, and felt that they had created a new weapon ...
      2. +5
        11 July 2013 12: 25
        In the story with FN FAL, there is an effect called "obsolescence". In the 80s, the FN was replaced by AK, since the AK had the best characteristics in terms of cartridge, reliability, accuracy, price.
        1. +8
          13 July 2013 14: 09
          Quote: bunta
          In the story with FN FAL, there is an effect called "obsolescence"

          I agree. Here is an example. As a result of the Six Day War, the Israeli army, which was armed with FN FAL, recognized that the 7.62mm NATO FN FAL was noticeably inferior to the AK-47 and AKM Kalashnikov assault rifles used by the Arabs both in terms of reliability in desert conditions (fine dust and sand) and on maneuverable characteristics in close combat. Then the IDF decided to create a new assault. a rifle. They adopted Galil. And galil can rightfully be considered a variation on the theme of AK, since the Finnish version of AK-Valmet RK 62 was taken as the basis for galil. Yes, and if you look at the galil scheme, it is very similar to AK. But in fairness it should be noted that both about ergonomics and about workmanship, the author is right.
      3. +10
        11 July 2013 13: 13
        Quote: Esso
        Kalashnikov assault rifle recognized as the most common small arms in the world

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        +3
        11 July 2013 16: 21
        One thing is not clear: why did you write all this?
        The author of the article has personal experience, but are you likely to oppose him? - i.e. You do not agree with him and have something to object to?
        1. +1
          11 July 2013 21: 36
          Quote: Kram
          One thing is not clear: why did you write all this? The author of the article has personal experience, but are you likely to oppose him? - i.e. You do not agree with him and have something to object to?


          Moreover, the author of the article indicated that the AK army is a good weapon, but not for special operations, where accuracy and convenience are more important.
        2. +5
          14 July 2013 17: 35
          I would like to recommend Drabkin's book "I Went Behind the Front Line", you can go crazy what the opposite opinion of different scouts regarding the "Schmeiser" as they habitually call the "Yerma" R-40 machine gun and PPSh. Regarding "TT" and German pistols, there is also no consensus. We listened to the opinion of one person, and there are a dozen and everyone has their own opinion.
          It is correct that an experienced craftsman always selects a weapon according to the size of the palm and the weight of a person and will never offer a woman a Colt 14.43 and a 100-kg man a pocket Walter. During the war there was a MAN, so he was standing from the PTRS firing, try to give him a "shmayser", he needs a small "PD" from a rifle. We all saw how in Iraq, after 3 days of street fighting, all the amers fought with Kalash. This was not a movie, but documentary filming from the scene of the battles. Indeed, in a real battle, the most important quality of weapons is reliability.
      5. +2
        11 July 2013 20: 41
        Yes, the corsair speaks correctly.
        It just kills me that to cock, switch the mode and remove the fuse, you need to hold the forend and work with your working hand.
        It seems that this was done so that when attacking an officer the officer had the opportunity to preempt.
        What exactly is missing Kalash - the translator fuse under the thumb on the left (or just duplicate it from both sides - the design allows, and those who aim with the right eye will be easier to control its position), the shutter handle on both sides or from above, to do something with clumsy butt and with a folding one, too, entirely on the receiver, picatinny rail or something else for mounted. To fix the night device on it is something with something. As a user of a machine gun chambered for 7,92x54 with a horn for 70 rounds, a drum magazine with 70 rounds (or at least once saw a sheep’s head bent into a horn) is much more convenient than a 70-round horn. A two-sided magazine with 35 rounds is needed for Kalash. The one that was somehow proposed by the industry of the USSR is a misunderstanding.
        About the caliber ..
        AK chambered for 7,62x39 really has a small direct shot distance.
        The one that I had was no worse than the AK74 5,45. But the bastard kicked atrociously.
        The gaps really need to be reduced, especially since cleaning it is still not difficult. At least in the extreme forward position of the shutter. With the help of a hammer and a file, he himself modernized his own - the accuracy of AO has increased. Of course not up to 10cm, but pretty well. The scatter meter for a poor shooter is salvation, for a higher than average - an excess consumption of cartridges. But he still didn’t stop kicking. 7,92x54 for the automatic search. Maybe something if they do for 6,5 mm - I do not know. Will do - I will try to try.

        Machine gun PKMS. The same is true. He needs the ability to suspend the box from below. And boxes are desirable for a different number of rounds. 70 or 100. Moreover, at the shooting range still more than 50 rounds were not given.
        And do the handle as I saw in which Yugoslav (?) Of a thick bar with a winding on the trunk.

        I don’t know about the rest. I have not tried it.
        1. +2
          11 July 2013 22: 06
          Machine gun PKMS. The same is true. He needs the ability to suspend the box from below. And boxes are desirable for a different number of rounds. 70 or 100
          And what did PKM and 6P41 not please you ??? Well PC at worst ??? PCMS because it is PCMS and that it is easel (sorry for the dol .... ism) you still at the PKT feel that it is inconvenient when shooting with hands, if the unit does not have a light machine gun, so it adapts.
          About shooting from hands: for shooting from at least one’s knee, one must have remarkable strength and weight, one special showed shooting from a standing PC, so he constantly shot without interruption and went forward to compensate for the sharpening of weapons
          1. +1
            12 July 2013 05: 07
            strangely, we had the main mass of boxes per 100 rounds. and was an old growth of almost 2m and the corresponding weight. shot from a pc while standing, but only he, others did not risk.
            1. 0
              12 July 2013 20: 10
              So you weren’t easel, but PCM or PC.
              No, in our riot police there are no such bogeys yet.
              1. +2
                14 July 2013 12: 45
                "No, there are no such bullies in our riot police yet."
                I have both "packers", and one of them does not differ in weight and dimensions. They beat from the hands (they came up with an exercise to cover fire when they suddenly meet the enemy - just from the hands) - it's normal.
              2. 0
                18 July 2013 17: 30
                Yes, I shot without a machine gun, it’s absolutely impossible with him, actually from the machine gun almost didn’t shoot
          2. +2
            12 July 2013 19: 59
            Because we had two PCMS. But these were not.
            Machines at the landfill only once took. Then they dusted in the arms. By the way, our local riot police also have PCMS and also full-time boxes without the ability to hang from the bottom. PCMS was also transported to Chechnya without machine tools. From there they brought the boxes from the PC. Not a fountain, but you can hang them from below.
            The boxes that come with PCMS can only be hung from the side or put next to it. What prevents the universal suspension from doing?
            And what prevents PCMS from completing a couple of smaller boxes?
            The guide for the tape should be attached. Then, putting the box under the machine gun or nearby, you can calmly shoot in a very wide sector.
            And then I almost noticed - the skew of the cartridge and the wedge. And it's just at the shooting range. In a real battle, the second number may have the time to correct the tape with your hands so that it does not bend.

            Speaking of VCA. Just met with the deputy in armament. We looked at it. They were brought in by two new suppliers. One leaves the fuse itself and shoots when removed from the fuse.
            On the second piece of iron that from the trigger to the trigger goes bends as he wants.
            And the rifle then shoots it or not. The descent is generally insane. We thought what to do.
            The deputy armament himself is not a fitter, and the conscript who was assigned to them (? Is it like? Is there a conscript in the riot police? Or something I didn’t understand?) Is not a locksmith at all. He is a plumber. Not that he can’t keep the file. Just personal from dracheva does not distinguish. Although he knows how to cook with gas.
            He suggested that they rivet two tracks along this strip of metal with a blunt chisel. Let's see what happens.
            USM quality is generally disgusting. Suggested to order a new one. Maybe we'll figure it out.
            The quality of the incoming weapons is depressing. In gun shops, it’s not a fountain. And then ... They will shoot after the correction they will tell.

            Mighty special. In our riot police there are no such bogeys. Only from bipod lying scorching.
        2. +8
          11 July 2013 23: 14
          In the army, he fired from AKM and AKMS. Great weapon. And it doesn’t kick, and the shoulder does not hit, you just need to hold it manly, tight, and for this you need to perform all the physical training complexes. They taught to shoot not three at short, but two shots. The disadvantage of Kalashnikov is the withdrawal of the barrel after the first shot. Shot from the first day of service only excellent. And as for the range of a direct shot - this is no longer necessary in a real battle. All the same, you will not hit, there is no time to aim, you shoot almost at random. Normal sergeants and officers also teach this in normal units. A distance of more than 700 meters - generally sniper or for a machine gun!
          1. 0
            12 July 2013 19: 16
            Pay attention to the size of the ammunition.
            AK47 under the intermediate was simply affectionate. Only direct range is not enough.
          2. +2
            14 July 2013 12: 49
            "The disadvantage of the Kalashnikov - barrel withdrawal after the first shot"
            Installed DTK on his AK-104-the problem went to NO.
            Personally, my opinion is I'm for 7.62mm. Maybe madam habit ....
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      6. Captain
        0
        15 July 2013 20: 30
        In the eighties, the most common rifle in the world was the Belgian FN FAL.

        It is not.
        In total, about 2 million FN FAL rifles were produced in the world (this figure was once called the manufacturer itself), while the number of produced AKs (including non-licensed foreign copies), according to various estimates, is from 40 to 70 million.
        We had more AK in our warehouses than FN FAL produced
      7. +1
        18 July 2013 06: 42
        Alas, I saw most of the weapons used in the Ministry of Internal Affairs only in pictures. But I have my own opinion on some samples. We, too, by hook or by crook got APS. Fine weapon, practically without flaws. PPS is also the right weapon.
        But about the beautiful AK (any modification) ... The American M-16, paradoxically, has a large aiming range of a direct shot. It is more complicated, finicky ours, but it shoots better. I generally keep silent about folding stocks. Shooting from AK-74 turns into music. the opposite and distracting. They rolled on the butt one hundred can, from electrical tape to rubber from bicycle cameras.
    2. +21
      11 July 2013 10: 45
      Quote: Vovka Levka
      Kalashnikov assault rifles, I think, are not the best in the world. Otherwise, the whole world and the nearest inhabited planets would be armed with them.

      It remains only to explain this to foreign manufacturers of weapons in Europe and America, but the unreasonable still will not calm down copy and copy this machine selling to the whole world though it's not bad to make money on it!
      1. Vovka levka
        -2
        11 July 2013 12: 16
        Quote: BARKAS

        It remains only to explain this to foreign manufacturers of weapons in Europe and America, but the unreasonable still will not calm down copy and copy this machine selling to the whole world though it's not bad to make money on it!

        This is a quote from the article.
        They will release in the West everything that makes a profit.
        Kalashnikov is a beautiful machine gun, but not the best. Here I fully agree with the author of the article. He has his own niche and he deservedly occupied it. He was once handed out left and right. And now everyone is doing it for everyone, and Russia, to my surprise, looks at it through her fingers, the circus and more. Therefore, it is cheap and massive.
        1. +5
          11 July 2013 15: 05
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          And now everyone is doing it for everyone, and Russia, to my surprise, looks at it through her fingers, the circus and more.


          How else can she watch? Patent terms have expired.
          1. +4
            11 July 2013 16: 39
            Pimply
            Can look evilly squinting his left eye! :))) Vovka Levka, apparently, believes that in this case everyone will be scared, change their minds and repent ... :)))))
            1. Vovka levka
              +1
              11 July 2013 18: 12
              Quote: smile
              Pimply
              Can look evilly squinting his left eye! :))) Vovka Levka, apparently, believes that in this case everyone will be scared, change their minds and repent ... :)))))

              Repent before the strong.
              1. 0
                11 July 2013 18: 43
                Vovka levka
                I was joking ... I know that you have a bad attitude towards our country ...
                1. Vovka levka
                  +1
                  11 July 2013 22: 35
                  Quote: smile
                  Vovka levka
                  I was joking ... I know that you have a bad attitude towards our country ...

                  I have a normal attitude, there are many friends in Russia. But approvals are not acceptable.
                  There is a certain position in life that is based on life.
                  It so happened that there was always a lot of information and it was taught to use it even for the Union.
                  Man is strong not by force, but by the strength of spirit. Here, in Ukraine, in Russia, there are problems.
          2. +1
            12 July 2013 18: 56
            Quote: Pimply
            Patent terms have expired.


            The Americans themselves suggested that Kalashnikov patent AK in the USA at their own expense. He refused.

            1. +3
              12 July 2013 20: 49
              Quote: bunta
              The Americans themselves suggested that Kalashnikov patent AK in the USA at their own expense. He refused.


              And he did it right.
              He would not have broken off anyway.
              US patent laws only protect American citizens and corporations registered in America.
              Therefore, he had to transfer exclusive rights to AK to a gang of lawyers.
              Consequently, all AK produced in Russia could be sold in WTO countries only with the permission of this cunning gang of lawyers.
          3. 0
            14 July 2013 17: 18
            If we also take into account that no one has ever patented the Kalashnikov, since the patent provides for the transfer of drawings and performance characteristics, and the Kalashnik was worn for three years in covers when leaving the parts.
      2. Sanyl
        +7
        11 July 2013 16: 28
        You are presented with a bunch of arguments from a person who uses this weapon every day. The arguments are sound, there are a lot of shortcomings in our weapons and they are well known. The fact that Kalash has a low accuracy and not the best ergonomics is well known. The machine is beautiful, but to call it an ideal (the best in the world) is debatable.
        1. _CAMOBAP_
          +1
          14 July 2013 21: 14
          There is no ideal at all - it often turns out that the advantages flow from the disadvantages - and vice versa. And AK is a perfect example of this. I read the article not without interest, but one thing "catches" me - these are the same "double" stores, for which the author would like to have brackets - ties. The fashion for this home-grown "spark" went from the Afghan times and turned out to be extremely tenacious. On my own behalf, I can say the following about this - we have such "sparks" went out of fashion very quickly, there are two main reasons: firstly, albeit small, but the likelihood that some kind of byaka can get into the store. The consequences, I think, are clear. And the second - in order to reload the paired magazine, it will take more time than throwing the shot to the ground and sticking a full one out of the "bra" - they checked it on a dispute repeatedly. Simply turning the magazine 180 degrees, and even "plump" for a human hand is inconvenient, you can also drop it - generally fun. Plus the machine itself becomes heavier, which is also not "good". He himself served in the Airborne Forces, if anything, he jumped over the mountains fairly, so the experience is not at all "theoretical".
          1. +1
            15 July 2013 16: 51
            So shops, not (e **** mu) need to be fastened, not with a jack, but laying something between them, you will fasten the jack with a jack –– once you fall and you have a full feeder of land, and the cartridge will pop out with 40% probability ...
      3. +1
        11 July 2013 21: 40
        Quote: BARKAS
        It remains only to explain this to foreign manufacturers of weapons in Europe and America, but the unreasonable still will not calm down copy and copy this machine selling to the whole world though it's not bad to make money on it!


        The author describes AK precisely from the point of view of his experience. At the same time, the article states that this is a good weapon for the army.
        M. b. it will hurt someone, but there is no best weapon not all occasions. As well as there is no "eternal" weapon - the initial and technical progress does not stand still.
  3. +10
    11 July 2013 09: 39
    Excellent photos and descriptions, thanks to the author and good luck in the service!
  4. +2
    11 July 2013 09: 40
    It's very interesting, I saw his videos on YouTube - even when I read it, I thought that I watched KardeNa's video. Thank you again. It's a pity that there is no opinion about PP2000, well, I would also like to hear about AEK. I think that its quality manufacture and accuracy of fire clearly wins in comparison with the "file necessity" from IZHMASH. And the RPD machine gun is a thing.
  5. +6
    11 July 2013 09: 50
    And for my work, I need a 5,45 mm automatic rifle, with a thickened barrel 30 cm long, with a large-capacity magazine, a low-noise firing device, a slide delay, a double-sided fuse, an automatic trigger fuse, an adjustable butt and Picatinny rails for the front handles, collimators, optics, flashlights and target indicators. The ideal option for such a weapon is the presence of interchangeable barrels (standard and compact lengths for indoor operations). The presence of an interchangeable barrel will complicate the design and increase the cost. But it’s cheaper to have one machine with two trunks than two machines of different sizes.


    These are the tasks for the combined-arms automatic machine instead of the AKM and AK-74M. LONG TIME !!!!
    1. ramsi
      +2
      11 July 2013 20: 18
      But where do you have to shoot so much in the special forces ?!
      1. 0
        14 July 2013 12: 54
        At the entrance to the address, when the buye decided to extend its life by a couple of minutes or hours due to the war with the advanced shield inspection team. Special forces are now different.
    2. 0
      11 July 2013 20: 46
      Support.
      We have several fighters who managed to bend the 5,45 barrel during landing and disembarkation.
      1. ramsi
        0
        11 July 2013 21: 07
        I'm sorry, my friend, I did not underestimate the special forces
        1. 0
          12 July 2013 19: 26
          No, specialists are more affectionate for weapons.
          If they drop it, then only if something extraordinary has happened.
          Ordinary draftees.
          Maybe just very awkward.
          1. ramsi
            0
            13 July 2013 09: 43
            I'm not in the course - and 5,45 suggests a bayonet battle ... or only theoretically?
            1. 0
              18 August 2013 20: 37
              - Exactly what is theoretically! Old models are more or less suitable, with a butt made of plywood, about plastic and even more so framework ones - there is no question at all! The bumps and bounces of the store also disappear - plastic, damn it ... You can try to inject and cut with a bayonet, but again with the risk of damaging the barrel. Again, the presence of body armor .... Although, in capable hands and x ...- violin! I read that one of the British infantrymen screwed up with a bayonet the calculation of a spiritual machine gun in Afghanistan!
      2. +1
        13 July 2013 11: 27
        Quote: dustycat
        We have several fighters who managed to bend the 5,45 barrel during landing and disembarkation.
        When he served in the Army, in exercises, in a tank (T-62), the PKT machine gun was removed and when the tower was turned, the trunk was bent to him. We consulted. And when no one was near, the removed trunk was inserted into the eye of the caterpillar and arched it in the opposite direction. How direct he looked along the trunk and made corrections. There were shooting in general in the evening and the lieutenant (the car was platoon) noticed that the machine gun had a wider dispersion than we (the mechanic, gunner, loader) were a little surprised, so they expected that it wouldn’t hit the target either.
        1. ramsi
          +1
          13 July 2013 12: 03
          as Zadornov says, you won’t get us!
  6. +1
    11 July 2013 09: 52
    thanks to the author! a schedule of the pros and cons of domestic weapons at altitude. I hope that the manufacturers of weapons will read and draw conclusions to finalize, in principle, excellent types of weapons.
    Still, the author would write the second part of the description of imported types of weapons, and only what he uses, or his colleagues use. It would be interesting.
    1. +3
      11 July 2013 15: 52
      With all due respect, what "back-front whispered" from the PKK?
      There's generally trigger trigger
  7. +7
    11 July 2013 10: 15
    Great article, fat plus! It is interesting and instructive to read the arguments of a practitioner, not a theoretician, as for the reader’s disagreement with some of the author’s arguments, I think this is a matter of personal preference!
  8. +3
    11 July 2013 10: 17
    Fiercely plus. Karden pros with a capital letter. I also recommend reading how he sees a new machine for special forces.
  9. +7
    11 July 2013 10: 23
    It's nice to hear and see the opinion of a professional. Explanatory article. A minimum of theory, only practice and experience, and combat. I read it with pleasure. Many thanks to the author!
  10. Apostle
    +2
    11 July 2013 10: 38
    Thanks to the author !!!! The article is super !!!
  11. +7
    11 July 2013 10: 41
    Excellent article, especially for the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Now it would be nice to hear the feedback from the army about the line of weapons used by them, complaints, suggestions. Experience should not disappear without a trace.
    1. 0
      11 July 2013 15: 04
      here is the opinion of the army man .. taken from the site "courage" http://otvaga2004.ru/boyevoe-primenenie/boyevoye-primeneniye02/chem-my-voevali-v
      -chechne /
  12. +16
    11 July 2013 11: 03
    Of course, AK is far from the best option for the special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

    However, do not forget that the AK is an army weapon, where, in contrast to the special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, completely different requirements come to the fore. Simplicity of design, reliability, unpretentiousness, cost. But the ability to safely carry in combat posture with the fuse removed and instantly quick transfer to a combat position for the army are not so important.

    Article - Unconditional Bold +.
    1. -3
      11 July 2013 20: 51
      It’s you who say to the fighters of the pontoners and the train.
      It is very inconvenient to wear it and do something.
      1. +1
        11 July 2013 21: 31
        Yes, any normal weapon (suitable for battle, and not just suicide) will be a burden for the pontooner, etc.
        It is clear that "Cedar" is easier to wear. But the range (both sighting and effective) is not suitable for army weapons.
  13. +1
    11 July 2013 11: 13
    Everything is correct ... the opinion is expressed ... in fact, this is a technical task for designers and production workers ... and also for suppliers.
  14. +4
    11 July 2013 11: 29
    Or take the machine in the left hand, remove the right from the pistol grip and remove the machine from the fuse. A lot of time and a lot of manipulation.
    Oh, either you turn the machine sideways, release the fuse and cock the bolt with your left hand (it’s inconvenient to lose the aim line), or stick your hand between the magazine and the handle (also release the fuse) cock the bolt with your index finger, not a single commando will ever let go of the pistol grip ...
    In mountainous areas, the weight of the SV-98 is a significant burden.

    Reliability unchecked by time and operation forces the sniper to take on the operation SVD, SVD-S or VSS, VSK-94. They are proven and reliable. And CB-98 is often assigned the role of a rifle for competition.
    somewhere there was already this thought (in my opinion, in the article about SV 98), they will repeat again, where in the mountainous area will you find a distance of battle above at least 100 meters ??? Militants have not poked their noses into open space for the third year already. In the mountains with today's "massacre in bursts" from 3 meters high-precision rifle unnecessarily. In our group, SV 50 shoots 98-10 shots at a time and it seems that there are no special problems with reliability, maybe we were just lucky laughing
    1. 0
      11 July 2013 12: 17
      What kind of fighting in the mountains did you participate in?
      1. +14
        11 July 2013 15: 07
        for 3 years: 1 trip to Khankala for 6 months and 2 for 3 months, somewhere around 20 - 22 CTOs for detecting illegal armed forces in the mountains of Chechen, Dagestan and Ingushetia, 14 of them with clashes.
        1. +2
          11 July 2013 15: 59
          Really cool.

          But you write:
          (in my opinion, in the article about SV 98), they will repeat again, where in the mountainous area you will find a distance of battle above at least 100 meters ??? Militants have not poked their noses into open space for the third year already. In the mountains with today's "massacre in bursts" from 3 meters high-precision rifle unnecessarily.


          However, I have repeatedly been in the mountains and in many cases the direct visibility there over fairly considerable distances ...
          1. +2
            11 July 2013 20: 57
            Join.
            The brother told how they were fired at from the opposite slope in the Chechen Republic from PTRD.
            More than 2 km distance.
            SVD was not shot. PCSM does not install. Well spinner covered.
          2. +3
            11 July 2013 21: 31
            laughing Direct visibility is not a battle distance, now they are far from fools (unlike the period of 1995) and prepare no worse than ours, they will never engage in long-distance combat because of the presence of helicopter and artillery support ... they come close so that it is not possible to break away and cover them with artillery fire ... In the end, in the end, as an example, you can read the story of the heroes of 23 OCH Katunkin and Epov and find out how it was (there are only 2 of them - 1n posthumously)
            1. 0
              12 July 2013 20: 21
              What a fight ?!
              Just got sniper fire.
              1. _CAMOBAP_
                +1
                14 July 2013 21: 27
                Please do not be offended, but at a distance of 2 km, and even from the opposite slope, the fire is not sniper, but rather disturbing - nice too, of course not enough, but still "two big differences."
    2. +1
      11 July 2013 16: 27
      Quote: Marssik
      Oh, either you turn the machine sideways, release the fuse and cock the bolt with your left hand (it’s inconvenient to lose the aim line), or stick your hand between the magazine and the handle (also release the fuse) cock the bolt with your index finger, not a single commando will ever let go of the pistol grip ...

      In this case, it is fitness, and not the convenience of design. You can get used to it and go upside down and say that it’s so convenient. But it will be just a habit, not a convenience.
      1. +3
        12 July 2013 12: 34
        Quote: Pimply
        But it will be just a habit, not a convenience.

        This is called a skill. Skillful professional - optimist, will reload and fire from any position and in any condition. The pessimist will whine - "give me this, give that."
    3. 0
      11 July 2013 21: 02
      Quote: Marssik
      Oh, either you turn the machine sideways, release the fuse and cock the bolt with your left hand (it’s inconvenient to lose the aim line), or stick your hand between the magazine and the handle (also release the fuse) cock the bolt with your index finger, not a single commando will ever let go of the pistol grip ...


      Not all fingers are sharpened under the piano.
      Someone has a wide lash. Someone has short fingers.
      But the right-eyed position of the translator is not visible without turning the weapon.
      I don’t care - I kiss the left.
      The shutter lag is also necessary.
      1. +3
        11 July 2013 21: 43
        Not all fingers are sharpened under the piano.
        Someone has a wide lash. Someone's fingers are short. And the right-eyed position of the translator is not visible without turning the weapon.
        six months later I already felt the machine I didn’t need to look at the translator, in our group the growth ranges from 160 cm to 200 cm, the width of the palms and nothing when they hand over the SU CSS all somehow adapt ... Everyone wants an ideal, but unfortunately it is unattainable
        1. +1
          12 July 2013 23: 42
          You want to live, and you’re not getting so excited.
    4. -2
      11 July 2013 21: 02
      And if you look at it that way, since when did a manual reloading weapon become considered less reliable than a semi-automatic? If we approach from such a position that they say “new and untested? No, I will not take on assignments,” then we will never try a new weapon.
      Another surprised situation with sights. Why reinvent the wheel. You can’t do your own at an acceptable level, then buy from trusted foreign brands like Lupold or S&B. Their price for the military budget is a penny; for one under-purchased helicopter, you can fill up the entire army with these sights. Well, or buy a production license.
  15. +1
    11 July 2013 11: 34
    Respect to the author! Does anyone know where to read his blog in full?
    1. +3
      11 July 2013 11: 49
      http://k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/ - его блог
      Only this is not his article. This is a compilation from his blog made by an unknown anonymous author.
      1. 0
        11 July 2013 15: 06
        Just him. I read it from half a year ago
        1. +2
          11 July 2013 17: 12
          Proof to the studio!
          Even with a white look, it is clear that this is a compilation article from his mostly early posts, flavored by his own opinion from the comments. In some places, the text is slightly changed, well, and direct copy-paste as with TT http://karden.livejournal.com/1448.html
          Quote: Pimply
          I read it from half a year ago

          Is this a modest admission of authorship in article aggregation?
          1. 0
            11 July 2013 17: 45
            Cardin's only article titled Russian small arms
            Thanks to everyone who looked at the lively light.
            The program will be something like this:
            - I post photos of weapons
            - I add my impressions based on my personal experience with this or that sample.
            - looking through your comments
            - I answer your questions.
            All photos are taken from my albums:
            http://foto.mail.ru/mail/photoshooter/

            She is dedicated to the opening of his blog in LJ.
            http://k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/566.html
          2. 0
            11 July 2013 18: 07
            Right, I can’t find it. Seen as a single article by Cardin.
  16. ded10041948
    +4
    11 July 2013 11: 41
    Not words, but personal impressions. One could argue on some issues, but this is a personal opinion and personal feelings of the author.
    The whole latch of the store at PM and the small volume of the store at TT prevented me from serving the whole service.
    Article plus.
  17. ed65b
    +4
    11 July 2013 11: 42
    From everything I read, I realized that our weapons are of poor quality and incomplete. Small shoals are everywhere. An industry in the deep ass .. There are no workers; no engineers; the production culture has been lost. Sad
    1. +3
      11 July 2013 14: 11
      What has everyone been talking about for a long time, 5 has already read articles and watched videos from competitions where our specialists make AK for poor workmanship, low accuracy and high return. This in itself gives rise to bad thoughts, it would be necessary to finish AK-12 faster, but to put it on stream, there are many problems voiced by the author solved, well, at least partially.
      1. +1
        11 July 2013 15: 07
        The question is whether it will give something. They still have not finalized ergonomics, and the production culture as it was low, and remained.
      2. 0
        11 July 2013 16: 08
        I don’t understand one thing ... AK r ... We look at the Amov patrols in Afghanistan ... at least one in it and with the AK, almost certainly with the Chinese, well, is it really better for them? Not with fat, they grab them.
        1. -1
          11 July 2013 16: 27
          Do not confuse the Afghan army with the American. Americans wear full-time M-ki.
          1. +2
            11 July 2013 16: 32
            take a closer look, m16, of course, but there are ak, are present, and it is at the am, the Afghans do not count
            and another 3 months ago, there was an article on the website here - an instruction for the soldiers of the private army of wafganistan, where it was strongly recommended to burst out AK and RMB as soon as possible
            1. -3
              11 July 2013 17: 32
              Private traders roam what they want. They use Ak in particular because it is easier to get ammunition to him, and not because he is the top of convenience. And do not confuse private traders with the army.
              1. +2
                11 July 2013 17: 48
                private traders are possible, but they are specialists, in my opinion this largely characterizes the attitude of Amov specialists to Kalashnikov’s weapons
                1. +1
                  11 July 2013 18: 08
                  They are specialists in the sense that they are specialized for narrow security tasks - a lot of noise, and the removal of the guarded from the battlefield, and not the destruction of the enemy.
                  1. +1
                    11 July 2013 18: 38
                    I can agree with this opinion, but they protect not only personalities but also objects, but you won’t fire him with you.
                    1. -1
                      11 July 2013 19: 10
                      Yeah. And again - the goal is not to destroy the enemy, but to deter him for a short time.
                      1. 0
                        12 July 2013 04: 42
                        this short period may turn out to be days, even taking into account the mobility of the army
                      2. +1
                        12 July 2013 14: 18
                        and yet our discussion turned out to be useful
                        I, at least, understood for myself, we call them ak 7.62. the weapon is relatively small-sized, the reaction time is the same as that of the M-ok, and at the same time it is very powerful, able to get the mujahideen through a mud wall, or to qualitatively destroy the car with terrorists. nothing of the kind, at the moment neither am, nor we seem to have.
                      3. 0
                        14 July 2013 18: 35
                        I recently watched a film comparing AKM and AK-74, including firing at the wall through barriers woven from rods, and it was immediately evident that the AK-74 did not give much variation in comparison with the AKM. And the penetrating ability of the AK-74 on the block is higher, and this is understandable, because the caliber is smaller, which means that the penetration resistance is less. In fact, the film shattered many perceptions about the quality of the AK-74. SVT and Mosinka fired with the same cartridge, but the SVT had a less steep rifling, decreased recoil, but when firing more than 600 meters, SVT lost to Mosinka and had a greater spread: instead of 10 cm, 11 cm.
              2. 0
                11 July 2013 21: 07
                Many who make AK under NATO cartridges.
                So ammo in NATO is not a problem.
              3. _CAMOBAP_
                0
                14 July 2013 21: 30
                What, private traders have problems with ammunition? And such that they already have to "get"?
    2. +1
      14 July 2013 18: 23
      Well, yes, the T-34's track links knocked when the fingers were worn out so that it was heard from a kilometer away, but the Germans did not knock on the tracks. These are the opinions you can hear about weapons. If you create the perfect weapon, then the loss of one hundred machine guns in battle can bring down the entire GDP of the country. For comparison, the T-6 "Tiger" cost 1 million Reichmarks, one Reichmark 2.5 rubles, and the T-34, despite the modernization by 1944, cost 130 rubles, or 000 Reimars, which means that the perfectly built T-52 "Tiger" tank was lost in the battle was equal in value to 000 T -6. But can tanks be used everywhere in battle? I am always surprised by the "Police" with the "Kalashnikovs". Experience shows that the Zhiguli is actually stopped by the pump-action shotgun, but not by the Kalash. And a powerful pistol from a cop in the United States struck the criminal and killed his partner. Now they really prefer revolvers - short-barreled, the caliber should drop the criminal, and the bullet should remain in his body.
      1. erg
        0
        15 July 2013 09: 21
        You can stop the Lada and a shot from the PM. You just need to know where to shoot. There is no advantage of a pump-action shotgun over an AK. It all depends on the skill of the shooter and the specific situation. With a smoothbore gun, accuracy of bullet shooting is less, and lethal force drops sharply with increasing distance. I happened to read old instructions for internal affairs officers (for a year, unfortunately, I don’t remember the exact name of the brochure), it indicated that if there is a threat from smooth-bore weapons, you need to run away from the attacker, increasing the distance between him and you, and if from a rifled, then go to the weapon, because when fired, there is a chance that the bullet will pass through without causing a serious injury. The main weapon in the American police is a 9 mm self-loading pistol. But the model depends on what the police can afford, since there is no centralized police department and supply in the USA. The police are completely and completely subordinate to the local authorities (city, state, university, hospital. This is not a typo - hospitals and universities can have their own police department). The US police are a large number of independent police departments. They depend on the local budget and are therefore armed with what they can afford to buy, within the framework of the law, of course. But almost everywhere the main weapon is 9 mm. self-loading pistols. They are recognized as more optimal. True, there is a rule according to which, a policeman can have in the service an additional personal weapon (pistol) bought for his money. Here the lineup is much wider. And in the New York police, a self-loading version of the M16 can be included in the weapons of the crew of a patrol car. (automatic prohibited).
  18. +5
    11 July 2013 11: 57
    Article plus. Thanks to the author! Good luck !!
    And to enemies - squint.
  19. Zhenya-1
    +1
    11 July 2013 12: 10
    A rather interesting article by a man who actually shot from the weapon he described. A plus.
  20. +1
    11 July 2013 12: 58
    The article is good, but the author reacted to the PO not quite objectively. Yes, the workmanship is lousy, but the lack of a full-time holster under the left hand is not the fault of the gun. The store drops out only if the holster is antediluvian. In modern plastic, nothing falls out. The notches in the front of the shutter are quite practical. Ergonomics, in general, are very worthy. But lack of knowledge and low quality workmanship (especially stores) make themselves felt.

    The most important problem is a 9x19 cartridge. I still don’t understand what is the logic of the transition to the NATO cartridge. We need a powerful cartridge - there is a modernized cartridge for PM, even more powerful - domestic 9x21 or American .40.
    1. +2
      11 July 2013 15: 09
      Quote: _KM_
      Yes, the workmanship is lousy, but the lack of a full-time holster under the left hand is not the fault of the gun.

      Usually such things are supplied by the manufacturer. So the author is right.
  21. +1
    11 July 2013 12: 59
    Thanks for the article was interesting.
  22. d_trader
    +1
    11 July 2013 13: 03
    Thank you for the article! Bold plus!
  23. +2
    11 July 2013 13: 08
    article "+"! voluminous and interesting, good approach of the author to the topic
    1. lucidlook
      +3
      11 July 2013 14: 43
      I will add that it is written very competently in all respects and without "water". Reading is a pleasure. More often such articles / reviews would appear.
  24. +1
    11 July 2013 13: 15
    great article!
  25. +2
    11 July 2013 13: 15
    Interesting work with Cardin! I sincerely wish him creative success !! And good luck.
  26. serge-68-68
    +1
    11 July 2013 13: 17
    Great article! In my years I shot (a lot) only from the "standard" models that were in service with PV: AK, SVD, PM, GP-25, AGS-17, RPK, PK, RPG and SPG. My favorite was the PC. I unambiguously agree with the author's assessment based on coinciding models. As for the drum magazines, the Bizon PP-19 with a screw magazine for 60 pieces was developed on the basis of the AK. But I only saw him at the exhibition.
  27. volkodav
    +2
    11 July 2013 13: 53
    it’s just that in our country, for a very, very long time, weapons for special forces were not developed, and at the initial stage all the specialists, especially the Ministry of Internal Affairs, were armed with army-wide samples of small arms, and the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs could not formulate TK, since there was real experience of using Gulkin’s nose hi in quality also
    1. +3
      11 July 2013 21: 15
      You might think reconnaissance and special forces in Afghanistan did not complain.

      As I read the correspondence from 1985 (original typewritten with blue seals and signatures) of the chief of armament of one part of the airborne forces with manufacturers. About AK and PKK almost word for word with Carden.
      The answer of the gunsmiths is the introduction of immensely complicate production, small-scale unprofitable, low-tech.
  28. +3
    11 July 2013 14: 05
    The article is very informative. Is there anything about GSH-18 and its operation in the field?
    1. RUS-36
      +4
      12 July 2013 16: 45
      About GSH-18 briefly: only one of 5 units was selected for practical shooting competitions, only one worked flawlessly, others either do not send, or do not throw out the sleeve, or the scatter is terrible, the "descent" is just awful. Fits comfortably in the hand, lightweight, easy to aim, BUT RAW, made in haste - TYAP-LNP. We DO NOT TAKE on military missions - there is NO reliability when shooting, the quality of ammunition is the same - one batch of norms, the other trash. The build quality is just SAD.
      1. +1
        13 July 2013 04: 12
        Thanks for the info. hi
  29. +5
    11 July 2013 14: 08
    I read it with pleasure.
    Thanks to the author.

    Some models did not "feel" at all and it was interesting to listen to a specialist.
    Yes, the author has his own specifics, but Kalash - he is also a Kalash in Africa, with him calmer and more reliable - his favorite weapon. I agree that the stores are small, they altered themselves.
    In the holster of the tank jumpsuit he always PM, he also never failed, although he rarely took out and cleaned, only when taking off his clothes.

    It would be interesting to listen to his opinion about balanced automation - this is very very interesting. Kalashi and her appeared in the troops, and not just Abakan and AEK.
    1. +4
      11 July 2013 15: 18
      The snail store (100 rounds) in the photo likes to wedge at an average degree of contamination, it requires constant lubrication, therefore it is not very popular among the troops, it’s not bad for a quick battle in the city, but for operations in isolation from the main forces with a battery life of 3 days it is not very convenient, because of this, most love to use stores from the PKK ... Sometimes you can find in the North Caucasus region selling 4-row stores for 60 rounds, but it is unclear what kind of production - they still do not trust them ..
      1. 0
        11 July 2013 17: 06
        Quote: Marssik
        4 line stores on 60 cartridges


        Yes, I heard about them and read. But did not apply.
        It would be interesting to hear reviews about them.
        1. ramsi
          0
          11 July 2013 20: 24
          4-row seems to be a stillborn creation: either the spring is too tight for manual loading, or it is weak and does not hold cartridges from skewing in the store
      2. 0
        12 July 2013 20: 03
        Quote: Marssik
        Shop-snail (100 rounds) in the photo ....
        Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYMdj2jLFPw&NR=1&feature=endscreen shoot with this store

        But here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECFG-uuStZY shooting with AK-12
      3. 0
        12 July 2013 20: 34
        Quote: Marssik
        The snail store (100 rounds) in the photo likes to wedge with moderate pollution, requires constant lubrication


        He has all the sores of the PPSh store, which he is.
        There is also a magazine for 70 rounds similar to a regular direct store bent into a ram's horn.
  30. +2
    11 July 2013 14: 29
    And always a weapon is an instrument that fulfills the will of its master

    I know what each sample is capable of, what to expect from it, what to hope for and what to fear.

    A professional will always find a way to change the situation so that to use the existing tool in the best way. And there is no perfect weapon even in games.
    1. 0
      11 July 2013 21: 29
      Quote: Michael m
      A professional will always find a way to change the situation so that to use the existing tool in the best way. And there is no perfect weapon even in games.


      Not all good fighters are good at welding and locksmith tools to modify and adapt their "tool".
      And the quality of the weapon - in the form of sharp edges, corners and all kinds of hooks on clothes - really fell dramatically. To some officers and hunters I often customize weapons.
      Even AKs sometimes look terribly clumsy.
      Pay attention to PM and PMM. Receivers both milled. And how different they look. PMM as be it home-made. This PMM is either finalized or a successful sample. Usually even worse.
  31. Kovrovsky
    0
    11 July 2013 14: 42
    Informative! Thanks to the author.
  32. Fox
    0
    11 July 2013 14: 58
    article +. it’s just incomprehensible dislike for PSM. normal pistol, only horseradish cartridges can be found ... but! in Chechnya there were a lot of cartridges for PSM, riot police then said that you didn’t say we would bring them with zinc. by the way and SP5 were you will not find (late 90s).
  33. 0
    11 July 2013 15: 02
    Thank!..
    I save the article in the archiver. Nice to read the opinion of a professional.
    I agree with the author regarding the comparison of the AK-74 (M) and AKM. What is more priority for the operation than the amount of ammunition available with you? .. I liked the emphatically correct statement of the author: "I don't see - I don't shoot" - "the basis of the basics", so to speak ...
  34. 0
    11 July 2013 15: 07
    The conclusion is "well conceived - done hr ... go"
  35. +2
    11 July 2013 15: 10
    A wonderful not-so-new article by Carden. Systematic and hard parsing.
  36. Steppenwolf
    0
    11 July 2013 15: 36
    In general, as in that anecdote: either they didn’t bring shit, then there aren’t enough buckets for everyone ... With an interesting concept, often new weapons are killed by low production culture, small but life-complicating design flaws, lack of accessories ...
  37. 0
    11 July 2013 15: 39
    Author +++. You can immediately see the specialist. But here is the difference ... we rephrase the Romans - which is good for the bull - do not need God. The author himself admitted that for an ordinary army, AK and its clones are more than good. in principle, this applies to all of our army weapons. But ... specialists are specialists, they have different tasks and they need different weapons to solve them. And, the most annoying thing that probably is in the stash of design bureaus. Now, if the state spat on prices for small batches of special-purpose weapons, then there would be a completely different article. But specialists must be very protected, there will never be many of them.
  38. +4
    11 July 2013 15: 58
    I also put a plus. I will support the author, according to the samples familiar to me - PM, PMM, APS, 9-A91, AK-74. I did not have to use other types of weapons from those presented in the review, but I completely trust the author, tk. personal experience is largely the same. I will add that I also used PP-90, KEDR, Wedge, AKSU-74.
    PM is a good pistol, unreasonably called "fart", you must be able to shoot.
    APS is a masterpiece of weapons of thought, the best pistol created in Russia. My favorite gun.
    PMM - unsuccessful modernization of PM.
    9A-91 - I largely agree with the author. I add that the aiming burst with bursts of it is problematic, from a distance of 50 m, standing, only the first two bullets hit the chest target, if aiming at the center of the target.
    "KEDR" - generally a good PP, compact, well-controlled when shooting, incl. bursts, for me personally the diopter sight is inconvenient, with the butt unfolded - it is difficult to shoot offhand, the butt is short.
    "Wedge" is an unsuccessful modification of "KEDR", fully justifying its name.
    "PP-90" - a gun misunderstanding, it was just in the "gun".
    About AK and its modifications, many copies are broken, so ...
  39. +1
    11 July 2013 16: 19
    Quote: Pimply
    Usually such things are supplied by the manufacturer.


    No. Both in the world and in the Russian Federation, holsters and pistols are produced by different companies. There are companies that deal only with equipment, for example "contact", "fobus", "blackhawk", "uncle mike". Their lineup includes holsters for many manufacturers. It's just that our suppliers prefer to buy equipment that is simpler and cheaper. Therefore, the fighters get such a crap as closed "People's Commissars" holsters on a pin.
    1. +2
      11 July 2013 17: 34
      There is such a thing - a regular holster. The remaining pribludy produce thousands of small companies. But the weapons come with standard equipment. And this is NORMAL.
      1. +3
        11 July 2013 21: 35
        For linear, maybe the norm.
        And for specialists you need a special one.
        Even venerable surgeons have their own "gunsmiths" - toolmakers.
        Either at the hospital a plumber of all trades, or a friend at the nearest factory.
    2. +2
      11 July 2013 18: 04
      here I agree completely. standard equipment will also go to the conventional forces, but specialists must be given special money to pay for special pribluda, they still need their own
  40. Sanyl
    +1
    11 July 2013 16: 33
    IMHO, the conclusions for me from the article are as follows:
    - Russian automatic rifles and PPs currently meet modern requirements
    - self-loading sniper rifles - also OK
    - machine guns - OK
    - pistols - more advanced samples are required
    - large-caliber sniper rifles - more advanced samples are required
  41. Engineer
    +1
    11 July 2013 18: 56
    The article is good, the author in it made a reservation why this or that weapon is worse for him in view of the specifics of the application. Confused only by the line about PKMS "The ability to shoot at a distance of less than 100 m" is of no small importance, and there is no way for other similar types of machine guns to shoot at such close distances?
  42. Yankuz
    0
    11 July 2013 19: 00
    Cool review! AKSU would still be here - it would be nice to read - to recall the service in the SA. He perfectly fit in the then popular diplomats with two shops.
  43. 0
    11 July 2013 19: 01
    Great article. very pleased
  44. Totenkopff
    +5
    11 July 2013 19: 30
    From the memoirs of the special forces of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation, 5.45 did not stop the breakthrough of the militants from the Komsomol spoiled spirit. conscripts were in a panic. Like they killed and he goes and 7.62. retarded immediately. so not everything is as simple as the author writes. I like 7.62 more.
    1. +1
      11 July 2013 21: 44
      7,62 holes and light armored vehicles if you know where to shoot.
      1. Wolverine67
        +1
        12 July 2013 13: 45
        Quote: Blackgrifon
        7,62 holes and light armored vehicles if you know where to shoot.

        .... you yourself tried or someone told. Unless you mean 7,62 x 54 .....
        1. +1
          12 July 2013 21: 41
          Quote: Rosomaha67
          .... you yourself tried or someone told. Unless you mean 7,62 x 54 .....


          Honestly, I didn’t try it myself, but a couple of knowledgeable people spoke about the sides. What b / p used - I do not know. But in general, when taught, a lot of good was told. So I know that it’s better not to substitute for any 7,62.
          1. +1
            12 July 2013 23: 08
            From the "Bura" (an analogue of our three-line), the BRDM pierces both sides through and through at right angles. The lead shell from the bullet remains outside, and the steel core itself pierces the armor.
            The cartridge he has is almost a copy of our 7,62 x 54, only the narrowing of the sleeve is closer to the pool.
            In Afghanistan, it was not in vain that they drove the wheels of armored personnel carriers from the trucks: the armor of the turret for a bullet from this cartridge is the same, not a big obstacle.
            1. Wolverine67
              +2
              13 July 2013 11: 13
              ... yes, I agree about the 7,62 x 54 caliber and its foreign counterparts, I witnessed the BTR-80 shot into 1 Chechen one from the SVD, they fired from a distance of 30-50 meters, were fired at from the greenery adjacent to the road, everything turned out well , speed + sector fire KPVT helped. slipped through, then looked at the base and one side was pierced, they even found the remains of a bullet, I could not break through the second side, collapsed from a blow in the second from the inside, 7,62 x 39 did not pierce any armored vehicles, verified by experience, about the notorious "rail neck" I I’m silent ...
            2. +1
              14 July 2013 18: 59
              I will not believe: in the Second World War, the Germans had tungsten cores of sub-caliber shells easily penetrated even by the KV, but at the same time it experienced such loads that it got inside in the form of a powder, ours changed the core metal after capturing such shells near Moscow, and used a different metal, which was destroyed by fragments, which amazed the crew and the mechanics of the tank, let alone the steel core of the English "Lee-Enfield", that is, the name "Bura" came from the Anglo-Boer War, because the Boers were snipers - hunters and they had a lot of weapons in their hands deadlier than an English soldier. Too huge loads during armor penetration to be enough for the second side.
  45. 0
    11 July 2013 21: 45
    Many thanks to the author for the excellent and high-quality article.
  46. +2
    11 July 2013 21: 46
    The shutter latch lever is located close to the fuse and when you press one of the levers, the other also falls under the finger


    And why do we need a "slide stop lever"? After we have inserted a new magazine, we will not leave the shutter on the delay. We will ALWAYS press the lever so that the bolt will drive the cartridge into the chamber and lock the bore. Solution - we bring a similar "lever" inside the weapon and press it with the wall or projection of the magazine. Thus, after inserting a new magazine to the stop, the shutter immediately breaks off the delay and there is no need to do an extra "pushing the lever" movement.
  47. +2
    11 July 2013 21: 52
    I really liked the article - you rarely see an objective meticulous review of domestic weapons. Thank!

    I would also read about foreign weapons, if you have experience with them.
  48. 0
    11 July 2013 23: 57
    Quote: Marssik
    you still at the FCT feel that it is inconvenient when shooting with hand

    It is tested in practice, you want to live and from the PKT shoots perfectly from the hands, although there are some inconveniences. But it is better to inconvenience a living person than to rest comfortably in a black bag with a red stripe. In general, I agree that it is stupid to shoot from the PKMS from the hands, he is STANKOVY. For this there is a PC, PKM or "Pecheneg".
    I liked the article: objectively, indicating the advantages and disadvantages of specific samples. True, it is not indicated how these samples will work after several days of crawling through the mud, in the rain. I know from AK-74: it is covered with a layer of rust, but it works. True, sometimes the shutter had to be distorted by the heel.
  49. 0
    11 July 2013 23: 59
    it is seen. that the author knows what he is writing about
  50. Rawwwrr
    0
    12 July 2013 01: 43
    It would be interesting to know the opinion of the author, which is better than VSS Vintorez or VSK-94?
  51. 0
    12 July 2013 11: 07
    Quote: Pimply
    There is such a thing - a standard holster.


    There is no such thing now. In fact. There is something that the “suppliers” buy, so it becomes standard equipment.
  52. Martar
    0
    12 July 2013 11: 37
    Great article. I would really like to hear the author’s opinion about the new AK-12 when it appears in their unit.
  53. Wolverine67
    +1
    12 July 2013 13: 41
    .....congratulations to dear KardeN on another article, I read it with pleasure.....I’ve been following the author’s materials on one weapons website for more than a year now, everything seems to be very sensible and competent. And here, too, in general, a very good impression about pistols, submachine guns, machine guns, rifles and everything else, everything seems to be said correctly and to the point. The author and I somehow agreed in a debate about the AK, each of course remained to his own, but the main conclusion from the dialogue that I made was that KardeN, whom I respect, in general, is not complaining about the fact that his AK is worthless, but about the fact that they don’t buy (or don’t produce from us) M-4s with a full body kit, like Amer’s SWAT, apparently the author works in SOBR, whose fighters always have the opportunity to move to the operation site in a special vehicle, and under reliable armor, hang on your machine gun everything that he photographed there (the coolest thing is that this feature of hanging a bunch of bells and whistles on a weapon and taking pictures with it was especially loved by the fighters of the Chechen units of the federal forces in the 1st and 2nd companies, don’t feed them bread, but let them take a photo with an AKM with PBS and drum magazine). So, all these body kits certainly help in battle, but only the Special Forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation can carry a suitcase under them; no one in the army or in the Special Forces of the Internal Troops can afford this. That is, as he himself writes, “I need it,” this is the most important thing, he needs it specifically for his highly specialized tasks, and in his opinion. I do not justify the shortcomings of the AK in the light of modern requirements for weapons of this kind, but it is also not right to criticize it... and lastly, the rules of the site prescribe a polite attitude towards everyone, I suggest you think about the following: hunters discussing the advantages and disadvantages of weapons, of course, talk about constructive features, but when talking about shortcomings, you usually hear the phrase “but I was hunting game and after the third shot, mine ... misfired,” specialists (with whom I talked and talk) usually say “we had an operation, I jump out of the door , the spirit is three meters away and my machine gun is jammed....", in general, everyone has heard these examples more than once and is based on them when discussing any shortcomings. The respected author, in ALL the texts that I have read, has a lot of references to information from the Internet, or from printed publications, but from practice there are only references to range shooting, or competitions or exercises. Then everyone will figure it out for themselves......
    1. 0
      12 July 2013 14: 59
      Quote: Rosomaha67
      . The respected author, in ALL the texts that I have read, has a lot of references to information from the Internet, or from printed publications, but from practice there are only references to range shooting, or competitions or exercises. Then everyone will figure it out for themselves......


      If you want to say that the author is not exactly who he claims to be, then you are not the first to think so. And not the only one. Personally, I have no doubt that the author is not an active participant in hostilities.
      1. Wolverine67
        -1
        12 July 2013 16: 12
        ...... I’m glad that my allegorical text still remained quite understandable, of course he understands weapons very well, but with practice, some kind of gap is felt, and most importantly, if all the “wind” about secrecy starts, it will immediately become clear that this is a rut, the way he writes makes him out to be either a full-time instructor, or someone responsible for weapons and special equipment, and they know how to give an example from practice without disclosing the data and at the same time making it clear that this happened in life, he himself underwent retraining at Rossich "and there we were always taught using examples from life, which by the way is very intelligible and memorable.......
        1. -1
          12 July 2013 16: 53
          Quote: Rosomaha67
          makes him either a full-time instructor or one responsible for weapons and special equipment,

          I have the same opinion.
          1. 0
            15 July 2013 17: 06
            The photographs aroused my suspicions.... 1) wherever he served, only the minimum group (company) commander or his deputy can take such liberties with special weapons; 2) If he does not have access to their artillery weapons depot The unit has too impressive an arsenal of grenade launchers and sniper weapons; our entire OSN cannot have that many different SMGs.
  54. Wolverine67
    0
    12 July 2013 13: 54
    Quote: Totenkopff
    From the memoirs of the special forces of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation, 5.45 did not stop the breakthrough of the militants from the Komsomol spoiled spirit. conscripts were in a panic. Like they killed and he goes and 7.62. retarded immediately. so not everything is as simple as the author writes. I like 7.62 more.

    ....but according to my information, in the areas of the breakthrough from Komsomolskoye there were riot police, Special Forces of the Armed Forces and possibly Special Forces of the YuI, and so it was the conscripts, despite the losses, who were the only ones who did not run away in panic, since the soldier is worse than the anger of his sergeant not the stabbed spirit, but the vaunted riot police and Justiciars, quickly cleared the way, otherwise the spirit would suddenly sober up and notice them. So the memories of the “special forces soldier” may be correct, but he needs to be swapped with conscripts......
    1. +1
      15 July 2013 17: 09
      By the way, our 12 OSN took part in the assault on the village of Komsomolskoye; they lost 14 out of 21 people to date.
      From the memoirs of a special forces soldier of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation, when the militants broke through from the Komsomol, the stoned spirit of 5.45 did not stop. the conscripts were in a panic. Looks like they killed him and he’s walking at 7.62. slowed down immediately. so not everything is as clear as the author writes. I like 7.62 better
      not everything is so clear, I myself witnessed - the militant received 3 bullets from the Pecheneg, pieces of meat flew from him, but he somehow managed to gallop 30 meters through the bushes, the choice of caliber is entirely your choice, now even for the "oars" 7n 22 they give A 5 mm steel plate of “explosive assault” is pierced right through from 100 m...
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      2. volkodav
        0
        16 July 2013 20: 39
        hiHello Ural
  55. +3
    12 July 2013 15: 35
    review by a specialist... he’s probably right in many respects regarding weapons for specialists. Only now weapons are developed for a specific range of tasks. So ask the tank gunner to evaluate the towed gun... and there is no automatic loader, and you have to manually enter the position, and the rain is right down your neck, and there is nowhere to sit...
    1. Wolverine67
      +1
      12 July 2013 18: 14
      ........well said, colorful!!! 10000+
  56. +1
    12 July 2013 16: 15
    Quote: Pimply
    Do not confuse the Afghan army with the American. Americans wear full-time M-ki.

    During the Iraqi period, news companies showed amers with Kalash rifles,
    I jumped when I saw my native one. + to the author, but he himself talks about private
    opinion of a specialist from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, great respect. But for the army, in my opinion, Kalash
    fits like no other. We were armed with AK-74s. When shooting
    singles there were no problems. I remembered the last episode because I made certain conclusions. The series was as follows: 6x10, 1x9, 1x8, 2x7, range 100m with an open sight. Shooting at a fairly fast pace (ensign over the soul, good thing it’s not a spirit) and requires tension (single shots) and my eyes started to water. After that, I realized that with this weapon, everything depends on the shooter. His skills and conditions (fatigue, stress, etc.) It’s just that designers need to take into account the opinion of such specialists, especially since I understood from the posts that design changes
    not very big. What works for the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will also work for the army.
    1. Wolverine67
      +2
      12 July 2013 18: 33
      .... Yuri disagrees, not everything that is suitable for the Special Forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is suitable for the army, firstly, the enemy is different, the army has enemy military units, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, although they are bandits, are civilians. Secondly, the operating conditions are different, war or actions surrounded by respectable citizens, which by the way the author talks about in his article, and thirdly, in combat conditions, army units, and even more so the Special Forces of the Armed Forces, often have to operate in isolation from logistics bases, This is where the fun life begins, “the batteries run out,” even the Special Forces of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are not intended to operate in isolation from supply bases, and I generally keep quiet about SOBR and OMON units. At one time, we were saved by the fact that the batteries from Polaroid cassettes were quite suitable for powering the standard sights of the Russian Federation, and there was enough of this goodness in Chechnya, so in isolation from the supply bases, all the electronic gadgets would either have to be removed after the energy reserves were exhausted , or carry spare cells, and extra batteries mean weight. Ask anyone who went on a raid that he would prefer to take an extra battery for a sight, or an extra pack of cartridges, or a flask of water......but the fact that in the Caucasus our Special Forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are used to perform tasks that are not specific to them is It’s not the fault of the AK and its lack of a cool body kit, well, our Ministry of Internal Affairs specialists are not designed to chase spirits through the mountains and forests, and frankly speaking, they do it poorly.....they should storm an apartment, or some restaurant put something on the floor, face the floor here they are cool, at the same time you can show off your guns and kits to the girls.........
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  60. 0
    12 July 2013 20: 17
    Quote: Timeout
    If he tried the FN-FAL, he would really change his opinion about this weapon. Yes, using it as a self-loading weapon is a normal weapon, but when firing in bursts, even in short bursts, there is no point in talking about any aiming. ...



  61. +1
    12 July 2013 20: 38
    Does anyone get the impression that the author has nothing to do with the army? I agree that the article is good, reviews of real people about weapons have been collected. But... Not a single fighter, being of sound and sober mind, would drag these fancy toys with him into a raid (flashlights, bipods, homemade pens, etc.) The only thing missing is frills and bows) when each cartridge has to be carried on its own hump. But this foppish body kit, suitable only for the capital's riot police, terrifies and delights girls. And certainly a normal person would not put a weapon in the mud in the rain to take a photo of it.
  62. +1
    12 July 2013 21: 09
    The article is cool, extensive, it was interesting to read. One thing is bad - the SPS and GSh-18 pistols were not mentioned.
  63. MegaSan
    -3
    13 July 2013 06: 30
    Please tell me if it’s too late to start bodybuilding? I am 38 years old
    1. 0
      18 August 2013 20: 49
      - You need this for Sergei Badyuk’s website....
  64. PoPoVicH
    0
    13 July 2013 07: 05
    For some time Borman hung around Stirlitz’s apartment, waiting for him to come out. The gangs that jumped out of the raid went to the bottom.
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    I didn’t see - I didn’t want to see! He sought it himself, he himself deserved it, he himself brought this blow upon himself.
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  65. erg
    +1
    13 July 2013 10: 00
    The impression from the article is this: a compilation of articles about weapons from different sources, and not the author’s personal experience. I myself, having been in the police for almost 20 years now, spent my entire service, as we say, on the ground. I repeatedly communicated with guys from various units, including special ones. We met especially often at the shooting range in Mytishchi (near Moscow), since we also trained there. Been on business trips. I have never met such a “universal soldier”, familiar, and most importantly, judging by the article, who has repeatedly used literally all types of small arms. Moreover, some of the described samples were produced in a limited series and scattered across different departments (not only with the addition of special ones). From personal experience I will say: the PM is truly the best weapon for the police today. But in the version with a larger capacity magazine, the handle is less comfortable. I don’t understand about the TT, why the lack of self-cocking can lead to prison. Regarding excessive penetration and, as a consequence, unsuitability for operations in urban conditions, I will tell you the following. In 96, I witnessed how a local inspector shot a raging pit bull. Five bullets went right through him, and when we picked them up, the bullets were almost not deformed. The local police officer fired from a Makarov. Here, a lot depends on the skill of the shooter and the specific situation. The danger of excessive penetration is rather that the bullet will not stop the attacker and, being wounded, he will retain the ability to take active action. There are no Saiga handles on the standard AK74M, as well as a handguard with a handle, unless you have “tuned” it. For some reason, in photographs of AKs with grenade launchers, the 5,45 mm AK 103 is indicated, when the 103 has a caliber of 7,62 mm, and the 5,45 has a caliber of 105. The small-sized 9A-91 is really compact, convenient, but not lightweight. Its weight is slightly less than a shortened AK. The butt leaves much to be desired. It folds over the top, so in the version shown in the photo, you won’t fold the butt. The butt itself is short and does not fit very well. In addition, if it is heavily soiled, there are problems with disassembling the machine. You need to press the button behind the pistol grip and slide the cover back, but if it is very dirty, this is problematic to do. It seems that inside the parts are stuck to each other. Why dont know.
    1. Wolverine67
      0
      13 July 2013 11: 26
      “I don’t understand about TT, why the lack of self-cocking can lead to prison.” - the author means that when working in the city, especially when you work in civilian clothes and you have to carry a weapon hidden and at the same time in full readiness to open fire, the TT has to be kept with a cartridge in the chamber and cocked, which risks an accidental shot, with the safety (half cocked) ) you need to cock it with your finger, which takes away precious fractions of seconds during close fire contact, but from the PM you can open fire on the move by self-cocking the hammer, which is why revolvers have always been considered safer than pistols and did not have safety locks......
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  67. 0
    13 July 2013 11: 47
    Good article. The author expressed his opinion. In my opinion, it is quite authoritative and evidence-based.
    For example, I completely agree with the author on the main points. But the majority of critics, in my opinion, are those who “I shot from an AKSU in STALKER! It sucks!”
    1. Wolverine67
      0
      13 July 2013 11: 56
      ......well, firstly, the critics here are not the majority but the minority. On the contrary, everyone admires the author, and all the critics note that the article is good (read the comments carefully), and as for the article, by the way, all comments were made on case, usually with examples, so the critics here are precisely those who shot not only at S.T.A.L.K.E.R.E. and not only from AKSU..... ..
  68. +2
    13 July 2013 13: 44

    In my job, I often have to carry my gun loaded. The situation is interesting: on the one hand, you need to be prepared to immediately open fire - so the safety is removed, the cartridge is in the chamber. On the other hand, there is no obvious threat, there are citizens of the Russian Federation around, you have to move around, perform some manipulations with your hands, and therefore it is better to keep the weapon on safety. To open fire, one movement is desirable, and preferably the shooting hand. The Kalashnikov assault rifle is not a weapon that can instantly open fire. To do this, I either have to keep the safety off (and constantly shake at the thought of an accidental shot). Or take the machine gun in your left hand, remove the right hand from the pistol grip and remove the machine gun from...


    I thought for a long time whether to write this post, raking in the negatives from nerds, or not to write it. I decided that the truth is more valuable to me.

    The fuse-handle dilemma is easily solved. Teach yourself and develop a skill - when your hand is on the pistol grip, the weapon should be off the safety; when your finger goes into your nose, put it on the safety, then pick. How can "be prepared to immediately open fire when there is no obvious threat ... and therefore it is better to keep the weapon on safety"?! At the same time, be ready to shoot and keep the safety on?

    A fighter must always be ready to open fire, no matter what he is doing at the moment and in what position his weapon is.
    It doesn’t matter who is around - “peaceful” citizens or cows grazing - if your hand is on the handle, the safety must be removed. Finger on the brace. The finger is placed on the trigger just before firing or when the target is clearly visible. Basics.

    If a warrior trembles at the thought of accidentally firing his own weapon, he is not a warrior. If the weapon is in your hands and the safety is off, it will fire only when you press the trigger. The fighter must be convinced of this and take it for granted. And free your brain from this phobia for other more useful functions.
    1. Wolverine67
      +2
      13 July 2013 13: 56
      .......I agree in many respects, but what was meant here was the “random effect”, i.e. I would still like the weapon to not have a cartridge in the chamber and the safety on (well, or the ability to quickly remove without changing the grip on the handle) and at the same time, protection from accidental shots..... anything can happen, clothes got caught on when being removed, on straps (I had a fighter from the collection department the other day in the cash vault of a bank with a 12 gauge hit the floor while throwing the barrel from one shoulder to the other for the belt) laughing ......as the collector said, the most interesting thing began when the bank security guards rushed in with pistols, three of them came running, they saw in front of them a fool with a smoking Mossberg, everyone turned white and their hands twitched to their holsters to get weapons or he would be the first to get them with 12 to hit, but the distance is 3 meters scary!!!!! Then the NSB came running, figured out that it was not a robber, but m......the ringing sound came and they calmed down.......
    2. 0
      13 July 2013 15: 12
      Everything is correct. Only, again, it does not solve ergonomic issues, but adapts to the shortcomings
  69. +1
    13 July 2013 15: 06
    Quote: Rosomaha67
    Still, I would like a weapon that doesn’t have a cartridge in the chamber and the safety on

    wink And so that it doesn’t shoot... So this is a PM. And the solution is self-cocking. If you think that I don’t understand this, then you are mistaken. wink
    The trouble is that users (users, motherfucker) always consider themselves smarter than the developer. They are always trying to impose their decision. AK is the ideal in its class. No modifications can improve it.
    Special forces require completely different weapons. But this is a separate topic.
    I can give this idea as an example. For such a weapon, you really need a two-way switch, but not in a way that takes the circuit from an AK and puts an additional lever to the left. This will not get rid of the telltale click.
    1. 0
      13 July 2013 18: 30
      Quote: bunta
      I can give this idea as an example. For such a weapon, you really need a two-way switch, but not in a way that takes the circuit from an AK and puts an additional lever to the left. This will not get rid of the telltale click.

      Automatic AK-12


      1. 0
        14 July 2013 02: 51
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Automatic AK-12

        Shame on the domestic weapons school.
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          14 July 2013 10: 03
          Quote: bunta
          Automatic AK-12

          Shame on the domestic weapons school.

          Where does this opinion come from? personal experience ?
          1. +1
            14 July 2013 13: 19
            System analysis. If this tells you anything. I have already voiced the main idea. AK is a design that has already been polished to perfection. It can no longer be improved by any modifications. And any modification that significantly changes not only the appearance but also the methods of working with a MASS PRODUCT is evil. This is indirectly confirmed by the fact that the best and most reliable machine in the world, after such modifications, suddenly did not pass reliability tests. Not understanding this is the shame of the weapons school. We need to work on new weapons, and not re-arrange and rework old proven and reliable mechanisms.
            And this is a hundred times more difficult. Especially in the absence of a customer capable of clearly and clearly setting the development task.
            Cardin's suggestions for slide stop, two-way switch, etc. justified, but not in the form of modifications to the AK. We need to work on new weapons.
            1. 0
              14 July 2013 13: 58
              Quote: bunta
              Cardin's suggestions for slide stop, two-way switch, etc. justified, but not in the form of modifications to the AK.

              I have not heard that the AK-12 did not pass reliability tests. The AK-12 was made exactly the changes that the military asked for: more convenient switching of the machine’s operating modes (on both sides), the bolt handle on either side, the bolt stop, the shutter handle was moved a little forward, due to which the gap through which the machine was entered was removed dirt could get in (with the safety removed), the cover of the machine gun was made on hinges (like the AKSU) due to which it became clearly fixed, and therefore it became possible to mount sights, added Picatinny rails, etc. In terms of internal structure, it is still the same AK, therefore, in terms of reliability, it should not be inferior to older models.
              1. +3
                14 July 2013 18: 38
                The military did not ask for anything. If they “asked”, then it would have been formalized at least in some kind of technical specification or by announcing a competition. But the last competition was on the topic of Abakan and everyone knows how it ended -
                The winner of the competition has been named, but the goals of the competition have not been achieved.

                All this “revision” is private and long-standing rationalization proposals that were at one time scrapped either by the customer - the Ministry of Defense or the developer. They are all in plain sight: And the delay and the switch on both sides and the handle on both sides, and so on and so forth - these ideas are already a hundred years old. Do you seriously think that if the Ministry of Defense had demanded the implementation of a slide delay in an AK, then Izhmash would not have done it? wink

                AK has a customer - the Moscow Region. And there is a performer. The customer is satisfied with the AK and sees no reason to modernize it. He doesn't need an AK-12. But there is the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and in the Ministry of Internal Affairs there are Cardins who cannot live without picatinny rails. Well, what’s the matter, why doesn’t the Ministry of Internal Affairs write an application, develop technical specifications, or open a competition? Sit down and write - you need a weapon with a picatinny rail, etc. And whether it’s a “deep” modification of the AK or the development of a new one, tests will show the best. But this will be a device created not for the army, but for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, with all its bells and whistles.
                1. 0
                  14 July 2013 19: 18
                  Quote: bunta
                  The military did not ask for anything. If they “asked”, then it would have been formalized at least in some kind of technical specification or by announcing a competition.

                  Comments on weapons are made by those who fight with them, and it is not the fighter who forms the technical specifications, but the Defense Ministry.
                  If we remember that the AK-12 appeared under Serdyukov, when it was stated that the Army did not need AKs, since there were enough of them in warehouses, but at the same time there was talk about purchasing small arms abroad, during this period the plant immediately took into account all the military’s comments on the machine gun and the AK-12 appeared.
                  1. +1
                    14 July 2013 21: 12
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    During this period, the plant immediately took into account all the military’s comments on the machine gun and the AK-12 appeared.

                    Did the plant chew snot before that? Leave this version for the nerds. Life is much more complex and interesting.

                    With the mental permission of Alexey Dragunov (if this name means something to you)

                    When I was drawing the Ak12 (I deliberately write the Ak in lowercase letters so as not to disgrace the good name of the Kalashnikov Avtomat), the errors were read as if from an ABC book. Only in complete delirium was it possible on the first sample (then the forend was redone) to place a Picatinny rail attached to the barrel between the halves of the forend. Already after the first magazine, the shooter felt “life-giving” warmth with his left hand. Well, and, accordingly, further and more...
                    The reloading handle, which was thrown over both sides when located on the right side, successfully caught the cartridge case and dropped it into the box, and from the slot under the handle on the left side of the lid, powder gases hit the eye.
                    The magazine latch originally had an additional drive in the form of a transverse button (in my opinion, it is even present in the photo of the first sample). The angle of inclination of the working surface of the button was 45 degrees (if not more), that is, it was impossible to squeeze it out by any force.
                    The dimensions of the “travelling” stock latch are so tiny that the possibility of using it in winter with gloves is problematic
                    In theory, a designer with such extensive (according to Zlobin) experience should feel such things even in the phase of “thinking through” the design.
                    It cannot be blamed on the inexperience of the direct performers. I can fully confirm what Nik wrote about the “general’s” working style.
                    In general, the AK12 looks very interesting in the sense that it never acquired many of the mechanisms announced in the advertisement: a burst length cut-off mechanism, two-speed automatic (600/1000) and a shutter lag. The reloading handle “calmed down” on the right side, and in order to “diverge” the trajectory of its movement from the flight path of the cartridge case, it was made in the form of the letter Z. At the same time, it looked very flimsy.
                    In general, one gets the impression that the “general” designer never tested his creations to their full potential and in difficult conditions. And what was not tested for service strength, that is, falls on a concrete base from 1 and 1,5 meters - one hundred percent.
                    And also about the upcoming bullpup with the reflection of the cartridge case forward. To put it “correctly”, then combat samples, among other types of tests, are tested by shooting at a declination angle of 80-85 degrees and with an elevation ANGLE of 80-85 degrees. Draw your own conclusions, colleagues (and not only...). Or according to the principle: “And who cares where the splashes go..., oh no, the cartridges will fly..”


                    http://www.kalashnikov.ru/dialog/blogs/main_editor/92.php
                  2. Wolverine67
                    0
                    14 July 2013 23: 18
                    Comments on weapons are made by those who fight with them, and it is not the fighter who forms the technical specifications, but the Defense Ministry.
                    If we remember that the AK-12 appeared under Serdyukov, when it was stated that the Army did not need AKs, since there were enough of them in warehouses, but at the same time there was talk about purchasing small arms abroad, during this period the plant immediately took into account all the military’s comments on the machine gun and the AK-12 appeared.[/quote]

                    ...the problem is that if we listen to all the wishes of specialists, fighters, etc. then in the end we will have a miracle Yudo, in which there will be everything, even a digital MP3 player (or maybe it helps someone to fight, anything can happen), but if we gather them all for a congress to develop demands, we will get a second Duma that will sit for years and talk, talk, talk......in the Ministry of Defense, by the way, the technical specifications are also developed by a group, and everyone else doesn’t interfere with their wishes, but about stupid and conservative generals, believe me, if today’s generals are dispersed, and cool captains and majors (magically) are promoted to generals, then in a year or two they will think the same way and make similar decisions, unfortunately the position obliges him to think in other categories, or he will be a lousy general......
                2. ramsi
                  0
                  14 July 2013 20: 27
                  On the one hand, I understand you; on the other hand...- and them too: no police operation and such specific demands of the performers are worth the money and effort spent (well, if you count stupidly)
  70. Wolverine67
    +5
    13 July 2013 15: 24
    ......during my service, I participated a little in 5 companies on the territory of the former USSR, I had to fight and command a platoon, and train soldiers. So, the longer he served and fought, the more he understood the genius of the AK design, because even if you disassemble the notorious translator, turning off the safety with a detachment from the pistol grip is intended to exclude accidental shots, and placing the position of a single fire at the bottom of the switching sector is generally a masterpiece, tested in practice More than once, in a stressful situation, even experienced fighters clicked the translator to the very bottom. I can also sing a long asana about other design solutions, with examples from life... but I won’t, it’s already been written by many, but the main thing is that I recently wrote on one gamer, they also discussed AK, and I told them this..... ..... guys, the AK is not modern, and not ergonomic according to modern requirements, with accuracy problems, but in war it is very often necessary for your gun to always work, in any conditions and under any circumstances, because... ...it usually creeps up unexpectedly, so today there is only one such gun - the AK, and that says it all, because I will always prefer it, well, it’s closer to me or something. So even the shkolota was torn, they were silent and then agreed, so AK rules......
  71. 0
    13 July 2013 19: 14
    I found one single error in the article - the AK-103 caliber is not 5,45 but 7,62. But overall the article is great. good
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  74. +1
    14 July 2013 21: 39
    The ideal option for such weapons is the presence of interchangeable barrels (standard and compact lengths for indoor operations). The presence of a replaceable barrel will lead to a more complex design and increased cost. But it is cheaper to have one machine gun with two barrels than two machine guns of different sizes.


    Mikhail Degtyarev answers in the article "People hawala", Kalashnikov magazine. 6/2013.


    From an accuracy point of view, modular systems are also not
    everything is clear. Just a week ago we are in the editorial office
    shot from a Bushmaster ACR rifle, which
    is one of the contenders for changing weapons of families-
    M4. The task was to evaluate the accuracy of the bar
    Naulsky "Centaur" and the range of "walk" average
    hit points after removing / installing the barrel.
    4-gram bullet "American" did not fit, but a bullet
    weighing 3,6 g confidently fit into the 1 MOA (22 – 27 mm)
    groups of xnumx shots. One group I shot 4 pat-
    Ronov - it turned out 36 mm.
    Three times after the first shooting series we shoot-
    whether / put the trunk. STP care was evident in every
    case and reached 60 mm from the STP of the previous series. Common
    The picture is shown in the diagram for the article.
    Is it a lot or a little? From a practical point of view,
    when for the main target at distances up to 300 m
    the chest target is wrinkled, everything is in tolerance. However, if
    to put off the STP with the accuracy values ​​in individual
    groups, it turns out that the actual grouping of the image is
    due to the change of trunks, the quality deteriorates three times!


    Read to everyone!
    1. Wolverine67
      +1
      14 July 2013 23: 09
      .......I agree these are truisms, again from practice, on the PKM after changing the barrel in combat conditions (there was a need) they always then, in a calm environment, shot it again, because at ranges over 250-300 meters began to smear shamelessly. Here, the use of this weapon most likely justifies itself for police specialists whose firing ranges are short, therefore the deviations of the STP at their distances are insignificant, i.e. The need for a specialized, MVD rifle complex comes up again. Last time I told him about this that we carried the second silent barrel without problems, and it didn’t bother anyone, those who had 9A-91, and those who didn’t need it always had 6P9 (PB69), the sniper, those in general after In one case, they did not part with the APS, no one complained and it did not bother anyone. but apparently he needs a suitcase with interchangeable barrels, handles, flashlights, sights, 1-2-3-4-5.....in-line magazines, etc. These stores generally piss me off, I wonder if any of their guardians have ever tried to run across a field with such a store, or better yet, along an intersection with variable terrain, to take part in the covert pursuit of an enemy group, when you have to fall down every 2-3 minutes and get ready to fire accept, or better yet, try it in a counter battle, when you have to fire quickly in different directions, you can’t turn the machine gun with this fool. The only place where you need it is when you sit around a building with terrorists for hours and fire at them with “harassing” fire (well, you’re too lazy to reload). Rolled-up magazines were used in Afghanistan only in ambushes on caravans, because it was necessary to give the enemy a sea of ​​fire in the shortest period of time, and in other cases, as my brother told me (a scout from the 56th ObrDShB), they used ordinary magazines... ..
      1. 0
        15 July 2013 17: 31
        After you run 10 km with a machine gun while holding it in one hand strictly vertically upwards, I think it will not be a problem for you to run 500-1000m even with a PC, it’s all about training and desire, in combat in a confined space (in the trenches, forest, city..) they can simply catch you changing the magazine.. Personally, I had enough to get out: 1st 2 magazines from the RPK and 12 magazines in unloading, since it takes more time to get a rather heavy spark from the pouch than for 1 magazine, although this also a matter of habit and training...
  75. Wolverine67
    +1
    14 July 2013 22: 40
    Quote: bunta


    But there is the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and in the Ministry of Internal Affairs there are Cardins who cannot live without picatinny rails. Well, what’s the matter, why doesn’t the Ministry of Internal Affairs write an application, develop technical specifications, or open a competition? Sit down and write - you need a weapon with a picatinny rail, etc. And whether it’s a “deep” modification of the AK or the development of a new one, tests will show the best. But this will be a device created not for the army, but for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, with all its bells and whistles.


    ...well done, he said it beautifully, he put it right in the top ten, he killed the gentlemen of the “remodelers”. In my opinion, the Ministry of Internal Affairs either doesn’t have the money, or doesn’t have enough time to hold its own competition, they are always being picked by army guns, well, in extreme cases, they use samples developed for the army or FSB special forces. I don’t remember more than one barrel other than the KS-23, perhaps designed specifically for police use. By the way, I think if a competition were held, many would take part. But here the question arises about the wording of the technical specifications, and with this in Russia the problems deepen every year. I work in a different area, but I am convinced that a modern customer can only explain with his fingers what he needs, formulate it on paper, clearly, clearly, this is already a problem. Again, for the factory bureaus to work hard, the volume of a possible order must be clear; when they hold a competition, they immediately name the number of barrels they will purchase. And from here it is immediately clear whether the planned profit is worth the restructuring of production, or in order to justify the costs, only small changes in the technological chain are possible in order to slightly modernize the existing samples. Many gentlemen do not understand that when designing a weapon, the designer thinks not only about how to shoot it, but also about how to make it in general. By the way, in connection with your statement, a certain conclusion arises, Mr. Karden needs to be able to complain to his own Ministry of Internal Affairs, but for some reason he blames everything on the gunsmiths, the SPECIALIST is completely confused, the poor “conquered” is probably not sleeping, he’s still concerned about the good of the Motherland ....... smile
  76. 0
    15 July 2013 06: 57
    Quote: ramsi
    as Zadornov says, you won’t get us!

    yeah... will we stay in the Middle Ages? Well, no.
  77. Odin_ne_voin
    0
    16 July 2013 10: 16
    Thanks to the author. I would like to ask you to review the Kedr SMG, I once had to shoot several magazines at a shooting range with both single fire and automatic fire. at a distance of 25 meters, everything hit the target, which was a pleasant surprise, there is practically no recoil, it’s easy to aim, the sound of the shot is not muffled, yes, the barrel moves a little in automatic mode - but it’s a pleasure to shoot short shots in threes. There is even a civilian version. I myself am connected with weapons insofar as (a hunter), and so sometimes I have to shoot with army and Ministry of Internal Affairs personal weapons. The question arises: why has PP not become widespread?
    1. 0
      16 July 2013 11: 24
      In the Ministry of Internal Affairs, PPS and Department of Internal Affairs companies, PP is quite common, especially in Moscow and large cities.
  78. +1
    17 July 2013 00: 17
    A strange article, it seems like a military man wrote something interesting and even a little bit correct, but it still strains a little the subjective fabrications of the great weapons tactician. Firstly, it says a lot about the convenience of the weapon, it looks like the meaningless chatter of office managers about the convenience or inconvenience of the next new-fangled weapon. War in general is an extremely inconvenient thing; it’s most convenient to do nothing on the sofa. In general, weapons are not made by suckers either, and they are not accepted for use as bullshit, so with weapons and with convenience, more or less everything is ok, you just need to know how to use them, study and train accordingly, and not fall for any Western trendy weapon dermo. The main thing in a weapon is quality, reliability and simplicity, not to shoot at a shooting range, but to fight like they are fighting in Syria now without discounts in all seriousness, harshly, and all sorts of tricky things like replaceable barrels, etc. not for real fighters who don’t worry about convenience, his handles must slip, the strap is not enough, he needs a special pad from overseas, otherwise I won’t go into battle! And secondly, he writes a lot about safety locks, self-cocking and about quickly drawing weapons, you might think the author is some kind of gunfighter from the wild west or often goes to showdowns with crime. You see, the safety on the Kalash is not there, then the bolt is on the other side, ugh, what kind of heresy, you would think that the enemy would suddenly get into the trench, in a combat situation on guard or on a mission, also keep the safety on. That’s why a warrior must know where and when to put the safety on, and where to remove it in advance, and how long it will take to remove it and tighten the bolt. The same applies to the comparison of the 5.45/39 and 7.62/39 cartridges and the conclusion that the former are larger and easier to drag, let the mass and volume compare how big the difference is. In general, it was written by some amateur in the dark or even an Internet theorist, or the person was just too greedy, with such an approach he will be a warrior like ... a bullet.
    ZY Everyone generally has their own opinion.
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  82. Bobrovsky
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    17 July 2013 17: 45
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  84. +4
    18 July 2013 04: 46
    Everything got mixed up! This is simply enchanting! Author! Everyone already understands that for special units there should be different weapons than for the army. In general, the article is completely subjective - there is almost no objectivity. And in general, it’s strange that there are no words about Kedr - some strange MIA officer....
  85. 0
    2 August 2013 13: 18
    The article is good, but so to speak, a narrowly focused specialist, tailored to perform a certain type of task.
    For example, the AK was created as a mass-produced infantry weapon based on the experience gained during the Second World War (1947). This is why he:
    1) Technologically advanced and cheap to produce (in the event of a repeat of World War II, it could be created almost in vocational school workshops, like the PPSh-41 or PPS-41 submachine guns);
    2) First there is the “Fuse” position, then “AO”, and at the end “Single fire”, this suggests that the main task of the AK is to create the maximum density of fire on the front, namely the FRONT, so to speak, to crush the enemy with lead, to force the enemy The shooter (machine gunner) is avoiding to shoot down the aim of the weapon.
    Now they are talking about creating a small but professional army of the Russian Federation, so maybe it’s time to create a more modern rifle complex for it, albeit an expensive one. And in the event of (albeit unlikely) general mobilization, arm the “militia” with the good old AK (from the warehouses there will be enough for everyone: 5.45 - in the fields, 7.62 - in the forests, as you wish, the main thing is that in one unit there is a weapon for one BP )
  86. yan
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    16 August 2013 15: 11
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  87. 0
    8 September 2013 00: 30
    A good selection of weapons and a good overview of them.. good
  88. 0
    15 September 2013 06: 49
    Quote: YuriWhite
    Everything got mixed up! This is simply enchanting! Author! Everyone already understands that for special units there should be different weapons than for the army. In general, the article is completely subjective - there is almost no objectivity.....


    I completely share the point of view.
  89. 0
    26 November 2013 14: 45
    I served in the army for 8 years. 5 of them (on average) even slept with a gun. He has never let me down. This is in defense of the Kalashmat. And the author is right - the experts are gentle on another weapon!
  90. sane225
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    4 February 2014 23: 44
    Guys, you know how these same competitions are held and technical specifications are written, if not, then don’t tell me. Not a single general will fart in his chair without a command from the top. To perform different tasks, you need different weapons - this is a reality of life. It's a pity that no one understands this. Any weapon has its own advantages and disadvantages; a universal one has not yet been developed, for some it is an AK, for others it is an ultrasound, for others it has other needs. About special operations, this is a separate topic: now it feels like we’ve seen enough of Ov’s films, when you can destroy everyone in silence, they drive up a sea of ​​​​armored vehicles of journalists and iron the entire block with lighting for the whole Country. It’s a pity, of course, that years of accumulated experience are lost. It is necessary to really create narrowly focused companies and conditions for weapons development. For those same companies, these are mostly private companies. It’s just that in Russia they are used to doing one thing in large quantities, low costs, high returns. The author is great for raising such topics. After all, weapons manufacturers in Russia will never admit that weapons are shit, although not complete. But since the shit is done, it needs to be sold to someone. This is where there are a bunch of acquaintances from the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc., who for a certain kickback will sell this shit wherever you want. In essence, weapons development in Russia is the modernization of anything, but not the creation of a new one from scratch. Although there are a lot of good things gathering dust in safes and desks of developers.
  91. +1
    14 February 2018 03: 11
    Quote: Baron Wrangell
    thanks to the author! a schedule of the pros and cons of domestic weapons at altitude. I hope that the manufacturers of weapons will read and draw conclusions to finalize, in principle, excellent types of weapons.
    Still, the author would write the second part of the description of imported types of weapons, and only what he uses, or his colleagues use. It would be interesting.


    I completely agree with everything, and I subscribe to this. An extremely competent article. I just have some doubts about the caliber of our machine guns. I have never tried an AK-74 with 5x45, I had a crew-mounted AKMS 7,62x39 and for three years I shot the hell out of it. So, it pierced almost everything that the bullet hit, and I’m not at all sure that a 5x45 caliber bullet has similar capabilities, at least for piercing a brick wall. But in general, of course, it’s a matter of habit and specific need. But about APS, I completely agree with him. We had them in the reconnaissance platoon and I fell in love with this pistol from the first shot. Twenty years later, in civilian life, I used it at the shooting range of the All-Russian Research Institute of Forensic Expertise and my opinion has not changed.
    Thanks to the author! hi
    Yes, comrade. Wrangel here put forward a good proposal to the author - to talk about the imported weapons with which he dealt. Good idea, write it down. drinks
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    14 February 2018 19: 12
    As soon as the author said about larger-capacity magazines for AKs of which there is enough trust, the tambourine from the RPK fell and fits on any AK. And there is no need to wind up two magazines, he doesn’t know this...