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Attempt to properly distribute returns

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As has been said repeatedly, manual firearms weapon at the moment it is in a dead end, and those options that are offered by the designers are either too expensive or not adapted to translate into a full-fledged reliable sample. As a result, at the moment designers are crumpled in place, continuing to develop ideas that have already been worked out. Directions in improving the characteristics of the most diverse. Some seek to make their weapons more accurate, others are lighter, others, like the others, are chasing other characteristics, in general, everyone does everything to make the weapon more efficient and reliable, sometimes forgetting common sense. But there are those who find simple and, most importantly, cheap solutions that can significantly improve the effectiveness of weapons, although the belief that such solutions will be useful on the battlefield, I personally have great doubts. Nevertheless, we will try to get acquainted with one of the simplest solutions, which, despite its obviousness, began to be mass-produced quite recently, although the idea itself has long been found.


As you know, the most unpleasant phenomenon when firing is recoil, especially significantly affecting the efficiency of automatic fire. Fighting it all in different ways. One of the most fashionable solutions at the moment is a system with balanced automation, but, alas, the price for an ideally working sample is too high, and a cheap option cannot provide a long service time. The proposed solution not only provides less impact on the accuracy of fire, but also allows you to use a weapon using only one hand, however, it becomes occupied with a weapon and virtually useless, since it will be very difficult to get rid of the weapon.

But let's not beat around the bush, the solution turned out to be the replacement of the butt of shortened versions of the AR-15, and accordingly of the M-16, as well as other models of weapons built on the basis of these samples. Instead of a standard butt, a slightly different element is installed, consisting of two plastic plates, between which the forearm of the shooter should pass. Since the whole thing is fixed, the weapon will actually become a continuation of the hand, respectively, it is now possible to shoot with one arm extended without using the other, and the recoil will go into the shooter’s hand. Throwing the barrel when shooting is virtually eliminated, although it still needs to be done with effort, but for the civilian market, that is, for a single shooting with a practically-fledged rifle you can use it as a pistol.

Of course, the idea of ​​such an articulation of a gunner with a weapon is interesting, but it personally reminds me of inventions by foreign directors, something like a machine gun instead of a stripper’s prosthetic leg (I don’t remember in which next delirium I saw such a solution). Like it or not, such an addition is not as good as it may seem. On the one hand, it is possible to fire using only one hand, on the other hand, this person actually loses this hand, so this is more a device for fun than for real combat use. Even if one of the hands of the fighter suffered, then he, as one of the movie characters, is unlikely to be able to tie the butt to his forearm to continue the fight, because in reality you also need to reload the weapon, and the pain significantly reduces the desire to fight, although someone like here it depends on the person.

In general, the solution to the problem of damping returns, or rather, its proper distribution, is simple, interesting, but useless, as it seems to me.

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  2. vitas
    vitas 24 June 2013 08: 48 New
    +3
    Another nonsense.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 24 June 2013 23: 38 New
      +2
      I agree.
      One of the most fashionable solutions at the moment is a system with balanced automation, but, alas, the price for a perfectly working sample is too high, and a cheap option cannot provide a long service time. The proposed solution not only provides a lesser impact of recoil on the accuracy of the fire, but also allows the use of weapons using only one hand, however, it becomes occupied by the weapon and is practically useless, since it will be very difficult to get rid of the weapon.

      AEK971 design feature is a scheme with balanced automation based on a gas engine. With this scheme, the additional gas piston connected with the counter-mass moves synchronously with the main one, moving the bolt frame, but towards it, thereby compensating for the impulses that arise when the bolt group moves and when it hits in the rear and front position. As a result, the shooter feels only the momentum from the recoil during the shots, and the machine does not twitch when firing in bursts, but as if sticks to the shoulder. Thus, in the AEK971 submachine gun it was possible to achieve the accuracy of automatic shooting in 2 and more than better than that of AKM or AK-74 submachine guns (when firing from AEK973 caliber 7.62mm and AEK971 caliber 5.45mm, respectively)


      and nothing simpler, more efficient and cheaper at this stage, I think it’s hard to come up with
  3. avt
    avt 24 June 2013 09: 21 New
    +2
    A weapon is a continuation of a hand. laughing Cool, the next invention will be the implementation of a full-length terminator with Schwartz's face and the ringtone "all bee back" laughing
  4. PSih2097
    PSih2097 24 June 2013 09: 51 New
    +1
    One of the most fashionable solutions at the moment is a system with balanced automation, but, alas, the price for a perfectly working sample is too high, and a cheap option cannot provide a long service time. The proposed solution not only provides a lesser impact of recoil on the accuracy of the fire, but also allows the use of weapons using only one hand, however, it becomes occupied by the weapon and is practically useless, since it will be very difficult to get rid of the weapon.

    On the same AEK, you can shoot with one hand, both with a misfire of three, and in automatic mode, and about reliability - take care of the weapon and it will not let you down.
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 24 June 2013 15: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: PSih2097
      On the same AEK, you can shoot with one hand, both with a misfire of three, and in automatic mode, and about reliability - take care of the weapon and it will not let you down.

      here the author is a little about something else - the mechanism of balanced automation (gears and gear rack) wear out faster than other nodes and parts. Therefore, either the manufacture of a balanced automation mechanism from quality materials that can last a long time is very good. expensive, and if the mechanisms are balance. automatics are made of mediocre materials (or medium quality manufacturing), then a balancer. Automation will not last long, regardless of how it is taken care of, etc.
  5. bazilio
    bazilio 24 June 2013 11: 49 New
    +2
    Very dubious device. Although, if you add a similar function to the normal load, it will be better
  6. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 24 June 2013 11: 54 New
    +3
    Insanity grew stronger and stronger ....
  7. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 24 June 2013 11: 58 New
    +3
    Very reasonable first paragraph. A long time ago there was no longer any new weapon; a systematic process of deterioration of the old was underway. Therefore, the question is whether a person misses, pointing somewhere with his finger? Obviously, accuracy improvements can be achieved if the weapon reproduces the process of impolite pointing with the index finger as much as possible.
    That is - the axis of the barrel should not only be parallel to the extended finger, it should be at the same height. The second - the movement of the middle finger leads to compression of the rest, due to the biomechanical device of the brush. Therefore, the shot should not be accompanied by this movement. So the trigger must be triggered by that finger that does not generate unnecessary brush movements - large. These improvements can add some more advantages to modern small arms ...
    1. luiswoo
      luiswoo 24 June 2013 20: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: Mikhail3
      That is - the axis of the barrel should not just be parallel to the extended finger

      I remembered the MC-3 "Record"

      It is called MSS "Device for precision shooting" and is prohibited. Most likely, due to the potential ability to consistently achieve 100% of the result.

      http://shooting-vologda.ru/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=69&id=550
      & Itemid = 25
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 25 June 2013 23: 37 New
        0
        That's hard to miss out of it. That's right.
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 26 June 2013 18: 44 New
        0
        Thank you very much! He knew absolutely nothing about this beautiful thing! Link, clear day, is no longer working. Nevertheless, I managed to find information, and Yandex gives out three lines - your comment, mistake and the website of the Vologda Federation; fortunately, this has not yet gone (as if by itself). And here is a huge question - why is it still not a gun ?! Why not the whole family? Well banned sports shooters and cho? Accurately shoot is no longer necessary ?! Oh people ...
  8. bunta
    bunta 24 June 2013 13: 30 New
    +6
    Quote: Mikhail3
    Therefore, the shot should not be accompanied by this movement. So the trigger must be triggered by that finger that does not generate unnecessary brush movements - large.


    Then the brain impulse. laughing
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 24 June 2013 13: 52 New
      13
      Quote: bunta
      Then the brain impulse

      it's still fantastic .. but the voice control))))))) imagine the situation
      shooter rifle, turn off the fuse
      rifle - confirm
      c-rifle, fire
      in - choose a fire mode
      c- automatic
      - you are sure that you want to use the automatic mode, this will lead to increased consumption of ammunition ...
      with a rifle, @ $ ryat, fire, the enemy is near.
      c- confirm that you agree to the terms of the license agreement.
      yes, @ $, confirm
      c- send SMS to 123 short number to confirm that you are not a bot.
      )))
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 24 June 2013 15: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: bazilio
        it's still fantastic .. but the voice control)

        non-licensed ammunition found. command is incorrect. reboot required.
      2. Raphael_83
        Raphael_83 24 June 2013 17: 58 New
        +2
        "I can’t control myself! Now I’ll explode !!!" - MONKA was hysterical. "And please," I replied, filling the detonation confirmation on the PAD. (Alexander "Two-faced" Zorich, "Rapid Fire") hi
      3. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 24 June 2013 19: 54 New
        -1
        No, not fiction, such systems already exist. I hope our sworn "friends", as usual, will throw out 10 billion for such a development ...
  9. Ch0sen1
    Ch0sen1 24 June 2013 16: 33 New
    +2
    Koltovsky carbine as an extension of the hand is not cool, you need something more brutal, minigun for example wink
  10. Sour
    Sour 24 June 2013 17: 08 New
    +5
    Yes, many ideas have not been claimed by small arms. At one time they rushed about with the idea of ​​cartridgeless cartridges (or combustible cartridges, which is basically the same thing). However, it turned out that such cartridges create more problems than they solve old ones.
    There were experiments with reactive bullets. Same.
    Yes, the development of small business has largely come to a standstill. But this also applies to other areas, for example, astronautics. Experts say that no financial injections will make it possible to switch to interstellar flights, because a different level of development of science is needed (and not only applied science, but also fundamental). A similar situation is with small arms. At the current level of development of science (namely science, and not just technology) you can’t imagine anything new.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 24 June 2013 20: 05 New
      +3
      Well, that’s not entirely true ... that is, about interstellar flights - that’s right. What is especially interesting, we also did not master the interplanetary forces at all, but we already scored a thick bolt ... But about the weapon ...
      All ideas about modern weapons are concentrated in the field of mechanics and a bit of electronics. How do you like this question (let’s say to jet bullets) - do you know that some materials begin to actively emit gas during intense laser irradiation? That is, irradiating with a sight the bottom of a suitably equipped bullet smile Another question is - does the supplier of energy have to be gunpowder to eject a bullet? Yes, already tried another, I know. Question - when did you try? What were the materials then, control systems, manufacturing accuracy ...
  11. Raphael_83
    Raphael_83 24 June 2013 18: 06 New
    +1
    something like a machine gun instead of a prosthesis for a stripper’s leg (I don’t remember which next nonsense I saw such a decision).

    This is Robert Rodriguez's Planet of Fear, uv. Kirill? So be condescending, after all, this film is a cruel banter over the usual cliches in zombie apocalypse films (sorry for the somewhat artificial term).
    ___________________________________________________________________________
    And about holding a weapon with one hand ... The other day I reviewed the wonderful Brazilian thriller "Tropa de Elite", so there is a cool moment with the fire training of officers of the BOPO, when Captain Nascimenta asks the cadet: "And for what genital organ do you, comrade, hold the machine gun in your hands? And if you need to help a wounded comrade, you throw him to the ground, or what? Put on, bleat, belt now, as it should be !!! "
    From SW. hi
  12. Mister X
    Mister X 24 June 2013 20: 36 New
    +4
    The idea of ​​such a merger of a shooter with a weapon is, of course, interesting,
    but personally reminds me of the inventions of foreign directors,
    something like a machine gun instead of a prosthesis for a stripper’s leg

    Support!
    I am sure that the rational proposal arose after watching the film of Robert Rodriguez and Luke Besson.
    Stills from the film "Planet of Fear"

    Please note: for girls, their hands are free (sorry, Lord) ...





    Shot from the movie "The 5th Element"
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 25 June 2013 23: 40 New
      0
      The well-camouflaged AKSU5 47 was shot in the 7,62th element.
  13. uzer 13
    uzer 13 24 June 2013 21: 12 New
    +3
    This weapon belongs to the category of exotic, and its practical use is difficult to imagine. If only, indeed, in science fiction films. A woman can not even hold it on her outstretched hand. And those who can hold can not do it for a long time. Quick firing offhand impossible due to the large moment of inertia of a heavy submachine gun. But for those who are going to die heroically in battle, this is a very suitable weapon.
  14. pooop
    pooop 24 June 2013 22: 03 New
    +3
    the impression is ambiguous ....
    I do not understand comparisons with terminators, and all sorts of films. tk return is a real problem, I will give an example
    I watched a video report of training of special forces, and so the one who goes with the shield, he holds a gun in his hands, when he goes in a chain he holds an AK (y) assault rifle with a folding butt almost a canopy !!
    the reporter asks: "these are the requirements to keep the machine like that"
    answer: "no, just the butt is not adapted to use it with body armor"
    and shows, pressing the butt to the shoulder, where he really does not cling and slides, and this is not a little more than almost 3.5 in weight, I think there is no point in giving back! So everything is clear ...
    __
    Well, as for the video, I think everyone noticed that it has never been shown how this device works when shot by a burst;)
    1. Rosomaha67
      Rosomaha67 15 July 2013 12: 07 New
      0
      ..... I don’t know how it is now, but when I was in the army, special rollers were sewn on army armor plates stuffed with foam made of foam, which served to stop the buttstock and to prevent the belt from slipping when carrying in the position behind. We made the same rollers at unloadings, under which the bronik was put on without such emphasis .....
  15. SlavaP
    SlavaP 25 June 2013 00: 06 New
    +1
    What terrible nonsense .. AR-15 is so well balanced and the return is minimal that no distortions are needed. After I tried it for the first time, I fell in love once and for all. Just think where to shoot - and already there
  16. Witold
    Witold 25 June 2013 22: 49 New
    0
    And here the problem of recoil is solved. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEElWxmBJck
  17. dustycat
    dustycat 25 June 2013 23: 41 New
    0
    Shushraifel is meaningless.
  18. the47th
    the47th 26 June 2013 16: 57 New
    +1
    And if you extinguish the return like this:
    1. uzer 13
      uzer 13 28 June 2013 19: 09 New
      0
      A really good idea, and it’s easy to make.
  19. atos_kin
    atos_kin 26 June 2013 19: 01 New
    -1
    An interesting fixture, combine with Glushak for versatility.
  20. bunta
    bunta 26 June 2013 19: 30 New
    +1
    And due to what is it extinguished?
  21. bunta
    bunta 26 June 2013 22: 13 New
    +2
    Without going into the details of the operation of this compensator, two moments immediately hurt the eye. The spring around the hot trunk will not have stable elasticity. Further, the spring is compressed to turns, and even in shock (!) This is a gross mistake!

    Now in the details of the work.
    The compensator plane area is larger than the standard one - this will slightly increase the compensating impulse. But the presence of a spring will smooth it and give a delay in time. That is, the compensation impulse will arise not at the same time as the bullet takes off (the occurrence of recoil), but a little later, with the compression being delayed by this spring.
    Now, if this delayed impulse coincided with the moment the frame hit the box, then yes.
    1. ramsi
      ramsi 27 June 2013 08: 58 New
      0
      so it seems to work? ..
  22. bunta
    bunta 27 June 2013 09: 26 New
    +1
    Of course it "works", but, I think, not better than the regular one.
    According to the device diagram, I see two fundamental errors. From the diagram itself, nothing is visible that could somehow significantly affect the result. Read the description on this patent, but I think nothing of the kind will be there.
    And until they show comparative tables on the results of shooting a pair of zinc, these are all words.
    1. ramsi
      ramsi 27 June 2013 09: 44 New
      0
      to be honest, generally I hardly understand the meaning of the spring - without it - just a muzzle brake, and with it - an analogue of the "counter-mass" of the shutter of the circuit with balanced automation?
  23. georg737577
    georg737577 30 June 2013 02: 40 New
    0
    Improving the Stoner rifle in terms of recoil mitigation is pointless - the rifle is already perfectly balanced. As well as "inventing" the next pribluda on the AK, the recoil and toss of which when firing are based on the design features that ensure maximum reliability ...
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    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 30 June 2013 13: 43 New
      0
      You are in the last century. Nobody uses AK and AR from the box, there are a lot of upgrades.
  24. LAO
    LAO 30 June 2013 22: 23 New
    0
    Very sensible !!!
    There will be no problems with reloading if everything is well thought out, and the lock on your hand can be quickly and simply fixed - this does not present technical difficulties.
    Just great !!!