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According to the results of the exhibition Le Bourget-2013

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Last week at the French airport of Le Bourget, the eponymous international air show was held. The 50th anniversary exhibition has once again brought together thousands of professionals and amateurs aviation from around the world. It was attended by more than three thousand companies and organizations from 44 countries. During the official part of the cabin, according to preliminary data, aircraft manufacturers and customers entered into dozens of contracts worth a total of about $ 180 billion. More than 2,6 billion falls on orders received by Russian aircraft manufacturers. In accordance with the agreements signed at the salon, in the coming years more than 1500 aircraft, helicopters, etc. will be delivered. techniques of various types. Thus, the Le Bourget exhibition once again confirmed its special status - few such events can be compared with it in terms of the volume of contracts.


About a third of the total amount of orders was financially accounted for by Airbus aircraft. In the seven days of the cabin, the European aircraft manufacturing giant has signed contracts and memoranda on 466 aircraft worth almost 69 billions of dollars. The American company Boeing with orders and arrangements for the 442 aircraft — about 66,4 billion dollars — was slightly behind “Erbas”. Also worth noting is the success of the aviation division of General Electric Corporation. It has signed several large contracts for the supply of aircraft engines and electronic equipment, in accordance with which 26 billions will be earned.



Civil contracts

Unfortunately, Russian aircraft manufacturers cannot yet boast figures of such an order. As already mentioned, enterprises that are part of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC), were able to get contracts for only 2,6 billion dollars, which is an order of magnitude less than the corresponding figure of General Electric alone. Nevertheless, such successes of the Russian aviation industry against the background of previous years look good. Of particular interest is the contract of the Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company and the Ilyushin Finance leasing organization. In accordance with this agreement, deliveries of 2015 Superjet aircraft will begin in 20. The 15 of the SSJ-100 airplanes in the base version and five RRJ-95LRs are scheduled to be leased to third countries. The main buyers are expected to be the states of Southeast Asia and the Middle East.



A few more were also associated with Superjet liners. News. The first of these concerned the supply of already built aircraft. On June 18, as part of the Le Bourget salon, Russian aircraft manufacturers handed over the first board of the SSJ-100 model to the Mexican airline Interjet. This company has already made a firm order for 20 aircraft and an option for another 10. It is noteworthy that Interjet is the first Western customer of new Russian passenger aircraft.

19 June Sukhoi Civil Aircraft and AeroLease, a Bahraini-based company, signed an agreement to finance the Superjet leasing. According to this document, in the future, AeroLease will assume the economic aspects of leasing the supplied aircraft. Last year, the Russian side talked about the start of negotiations with the Bahraini carriers for the supply of aircraft. Probably, an agreement has been reached, but the airlines of Bahrain are forced to use the services of leasing organizations. By the end of this year, the first solid supply contracts for SSJ-100 to Bahraini companies are expected to be signed.



It is worth noting that the Sukhoi Superjet was not the only Russian passenger aircraft that became the subject of contracts and agreements. For example, Irkut Corporation and VEB-Leasing have signed an agreement of intent regarding the promising airliner MC-21. The leasing division of Vnesheconombank wants to receive three dozen of such aircraft with a total value of 2,5 billion dollars. Despite such large numbers, this agreement did not increase the overall results of Russia at the salon, because so far it is only about the intentions of the parties. If everything goes according to plans, then a solid supply contract for MC-21 can be signed at the Le Bourget-2017 exhibition.

Military equipment

As always, the greatest interest on the part of customers was caused by Russian military aircraft. So, one day before the official opening of the exhibition Le Bourget, June 16, the USA and Russian Helicopters signed another contract for the supply of multi-purpose Mi-17В-5 helicopters for the Afghan Air Force. This time, customers are ready to pay more than 500 million dollars for three dozen helicopters. After fulfilling this contract, more than sixty such helicopters will serve in the Afghan air force. According to reports, the current contract may not be the last, since the helicopters of the Mi-17 family are of great interest to the customer due to the specific geographical conditions of Afghanistan.

Also, prior to the exhibition, it became known about plans to sign several other contracts. On the very first day of the exhibition, Iraq ordered a number of attack Mi-28HE helicopters from Russia. According to some sources, the amount of this contract has exceeded four billion dollars. It is worth noting that for some reason a small "split" occurred in the press regarding the subject matter of the contract. In a number of publications, it was alleged that Iraq purchased Ka-52 helicopters, but later it turned out that the Middle Eastern country would receive Mi-made helicopters.




It is worth noting that the Ka-52 rotorcraft has also received the attention of the public and experts, but not very good news is associated with it. On the evening of June 17, when the pilot of the Russian helicopter was ready to begin the demonstration flight, he was forbidden to fly into the air. For unnamed reasons, the organizers of the exhibition moved the Ka-52 flight to a later time, and a couple of European Eurocopter Tiger were released into the air. The first demonstration flight of the Russian Ka-52 helicopter at Le Bourget still took place, but the reasons for its transfer for several hours remained without explanation. According to RIA Novosti and Interfax, the French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Airo was present at the exhibition at the appointed time of the flight of the Russian car. Perhaps it was this fact that caused the sudden change in the flight program schedule.

Russian news

Ka-52 was first demonstrated at a French air show. Another Russian development, previously not flying on Le Bourget, was the Su-35С fighter. This aircraft has not yet become the subject of new contracts, but has aroused great interest on the part of specialists and guests of the exhibition. Spectacular demonstration flights and demonstration of a fighter at a static parking attracted the attention of the public and potential customers. It is likely that countries wishing to purchase such an aircraft will soon announce their intentions. In the meantime, the Su-35C is supplied only by the Russian Air Force, and soon a few cars will go to China.





The Yak-130 training aircraft were demonstrated in the air and in the parking lot. In addition to the already available information about this project, the representatives of the developer company told about their plans. Now the Yak-130 is primarily a training aircraft, although it can carry a limited amount of weapons. In the near future, the Yakovlev firm is going to make a full-fledged combat training modification of this aircraft. To this end, it is planned to strengthen the airframe, establish a reservation and the corresponding radio-electronic equipment. The aircraft will receive a radar station, optical-electronic equipment for the use of controlled weapons, electronic warfare systems, etc. After such an update, the Yak-130 will be able to become a light strike aircraft. Currently, this aircraft is delivered to customers exclusively in a training configuration. Modernization and empowerment are expected to have a positive impact on its export prospects.




The newest multi-purpose helicopter Ka-62 was demonstrated only in the form of a mockup. By now, the main work on this machine has already been completed and its first flight will take place soon. According to the current plans of Russian Helicopters, the first flight copy can be prepared for the upcoming Moscow MAKS-2013 salon. Despite the fact that the tests of the Ka-62 have not yet begun, this helicopter is already attracting the attention of customers. At the end of last year, the Brazilian company Atlas Táxi Aéreo signed a preliminary agreement for the supply of seven Ka-62. The same number of helicopters is provided by the available option. Other airlines have not yet shown a desire to acquire a new Russian helicopter, which, however, may be due to the current stage of the project. After the demonstration of the flight model, a sharp increase in interest in the helicopter is possible.

On the second day of the exhibition, news came about, perhaps, the most promising Russian aviation project of recent years. As the President of the United Aircraft Building Corporation M. Pogosyan said, the United Engine Corporation has completed the creation of an engine for the promising T-50 fighter. Completed the creation and refinement of the so-called. engine first stage. Such a power plant will be equipped with the first series of fighters. At present, the technical design of a more advanced second stage engine has begun. These motors, in turn, will be installed on the second series T-50. Thus, the turbojet engines of the first stage are operated on the prototype of the fighter currently available. With them, the plane will pass state tests scheduled for the next 2014 year.

International cooperation

Now Russia is trying in every way to promote its products on the international market. Thus, in order to increase the prospects for Mi-8 family helicopters in South Africa, Oboronprom Corporation agreed with Denel Aviation (South Africa) to expand the powers of the South African service center. A repair company opened in Johannesburg in March of this year can now not only carry out maintenance of Russian-made civilian and military helicopters, but also, if necessary, carry out complex repairs and upgrades. Thanks to this agreement, Denel Aviation will receive great advantages over other organizations engaged in the repair of helicopters, and Russian manufacturers of equipment - an additional "trump card" in promoting their products in the South African market.

The state corporation Rostec, in turn, agreed to cooperate with the Austrian company Diamond Aircraft Industries (DAI). The parties to the contract intend to create and build new light multipurpose aircraft that should replace the outdated An-2 and L-410. According to existing plans, during the first time the assembly of new aircraft will go to Austria. Later it is planned to transfer part and then all technological processes to Russian enterprises. The Uralsky Civil Aviation Plant (Ekaterinburg) is considered as a production site for airplanes of joint development. Such a deal is profitable for both parties. Russian will be able to use the great experience of the Austrian company, and she will be able to enter a new large market. In the opinion of DAI General Director K. Driza, Russia is a promising market, since its vast territories need a large number of light regional aircraft.

International cooperation in the field of aviation is gaining momentum. As Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Y. Borisov noted, in recent years, the vector of relations between Russian and foreign industries has changed. Thus, leading foreign companies are ready not only to cooperate, but also to work on the principles of licensing the best technical solutions, including the subsequent localization in Russia. The fact that Western companies are ready to cooperate with our country without additional promises and persuasion Borisov called one of the most vivid impressions of the international air show in Le Bourget.

On the water and in space

During the press conferences at Le Bourget-2013, several interesting statements were made concerning not only aviation, but also other areas of international cooperation, including in the military-technical field. 18 Jun. Yu. Borisov denied the earlier information about the unsuitability of the French-made Mistral-type amphibious assault ships for service in the Russian Navy. All information about the unsuitability of these ships to the northern latitudes or the impossibility of using domestic fuels and lubricants was announced by the Deputy Minister of Defense as true. At the same time, Borisov announced other information that caused a lot of questions. According to him, the aft part of the first Mistral for Russia will be built in France, since the St. Petersburg enterprise Severnaya Verf did not cope with this task and failed the deadlines. The questions arose because the construction of the stern section of the ship was not carried out by the Northern Shipyard, but by the Baltic Shipyard. Moreover, the feed of the future ship is already almost ready and will soon be sent to France.

During the Le Bourget-2013 show, the European Space Agency and Thales Alenia Space signed a contract for the ExoMars research program. In accordance with this document, Thales Alenia Space will continue to work on the creation of a spacecraft intended for the study of Mars. The European Space Agency and Thales Alenia Space in 2016 will prepare to launch the TGO orbital probe, whose task will be to study the atmosphere of the Red Planet. This probe will be attended by several Russian-developed instruments, the creation of which is carried out by the NPO them. Lavochkin. Approximately two years after that, two European and one Russian organizations will send a landing platform with a robot-rover to Mars. The Russian side will also ensure the launch of spacecraft from the Baikonur cosmodrome.

Prospection

During the 18 press conference in June, UAC President M. Poghosyan did not fail to boast about the success of his organization. So, for the current 2013 year it is planned to build 40 civilian aircraft, including 26 "Superjet". In the following years, it is planned to bring the pace to 60-70 boards per year. The growth rate has a very real basis in the form of numerous orders. According to Pogosyan, on June 18, the United Aircraft Corporation's order book exceeded 740 aircraft with a total value of over one trillion rubles. About a third of this number of orders accounted for civil aviation equipment. The UAC President also spoke about plans for the growth of economic indicators of the aviation industry. In the past, 2012, the corporation's revenue amounted to 180 billion rubles, and this should increase to 220 billion. By 2015, it is planned to raise this figure to 330 billion rubles.

And yet Pogosyan was forced to admit that the United Aircraft Corporation is still generating a loss. Only two years later, it should reach the operating profit, after which it will give a steady income. According to the president of the corporation, its privatization should be carried out no earlier than in 2018-2020. Earlier it was reported that the privatization of the KLA could occur in 2014-2016, but a few months ago, the leadership of the Federal Property Management Agency began to talk about a possible shift in deadlines. Probably, the privatization of the organization will really happen only at the end of the decade.

In general, the past last week Le Bourget-2013 air show can be considered successful for domestic companies. Of course, this time there were no multibillion-dollar contracts for the supply of dozens or even hundreds of pieces of equipment, but against the background of previous years and existing achievements look good. In addition, it is necessary to note the fact that the success of salons is determined not only by the number and volume of contracts signed, but also by the number of attracted buyers. For obvious reasons, orders from such clients appear only a few months after the exhibition, after appropriate negotiations. Hopefully, demonstration performances and an exhibition of domestic products interested potential customers and in the near future negotiations on contracts will begin.


On the materials of the sites:
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http://ria.ru/
http://rg.ru/
http://rus.ruvr.ru/
http://vedomosti.ru/
http://vz.ru/
http://lenta.ru/
Flight of the Yak-130 at Le Bourget 2013



Speech Ka-52 "Alligator" at the air show in Le Bourget



Su-35 Le Bourget

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  1. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 24 June 2013 07: 24
    +3
    For unnamed reasons, the organizers of the exhibition moved the Ka-52 flight to a later time,

    Of course, half an hour late, this is not a reason to remove the car from the show, but the French did not forgive such a delay for our helicopter, because there is nothing to be late.
    1. experienced
      experienced 24 June 2013 10: 26
      +5
      American assessment in the article "Russian air power shook the Paris Air Show" ("The Wall Street Journal", USA)
      Le Bourget - One of the main sensations of the Paris Air Show this week was not just another Airbus or Boeing airliner, but a Russian fighter.
      The new Su-35 for the first time performed demonstration flights outside of Russia, demonstrating amazing maneuvers that only a few of the western aircraft can repeat.
      It is equipped with new Russian defense systems and missiles, which for the first time in a long time are capable of competing with Western counterparts.

      ... Russian planes and helicopters are still deprived of the cutting-edge electronics found in competing Western products, and usually require more maintenance, which can cost considerable amounts. But they are reliable, well tested and relatively inexpensive.
      “This is a very attractive looking technique with very good capabilities, which costs a lot cheaper than a western one,” says Francis Tusa, editor of the British Defense Newsletter.

      According to Mr. Poghosyan, he expects to sell hundreds of Su-35s outside Russia. He positions the fighter as a competitor to Western Cold War aircraft — such as the F-15 from Boeing, the F-16 from Lockheed Martin and Eurofighter Typhoon, a consortium of European companies. Western aircraft manufacturers have already paid attention to Russian activity.

      Who is interested, here is completely: http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20130623/210302785.html
      1. redwar6
        redwar6 24 June 2013 12: 50
        +3
        HUNDRED SU-35? For the troops, it means 48, for export-100. We survived.
    2. kris
      kris 24 June 2013 11: 20
      +4
      There is nothing to rejoice about.
      The phrase killed that several SU-35 will merge China.
      Pogosyanovsky business is generally tin.
      To release an unprofitable plane (pupjet) at the expense of state subsidies, and as soon as it becomes (if it becomes) profitable, then immediately Privatize. For us, this means - to drain for a penny!
      1. Antibrim
        Antibrim 24 June 2013 22: 12
        +1
        I agree. There is no end to stupidity and idiocy. in a word. sell for copy. immediately used drawings sold. made life easier for the Chinese.
    3. Atrix
      Atrix 24 June 2013 12: 21
      +3
      Quote: cth; fyn
      The United States and Russian Helicopters signed another contract for the supply of Mi-17V-5 multi-purpose helicopters for the Afghan Air Force. This time, customers are willing to pay more than $ 500 million for three dozen rotorcraft.

      In May 2011, Rosoboronexport and the US Department of Defense signed a contract for the supply of 21 military transport helicopters Mi-17V5 to Afghanistan in the amount of 367,5 million dollars.
      The total cost of the contract, including the supply of spare parts and helicopter maintenance, is about $ 900 million. The agreement provided for the possibility of the United States purchasing an additional 12 vehicles for the Afghans.

      Don't you think that this is exactly what Russia has changed the Iran deal for the S-300? I just don’t see any reason for the United States to buy Russian helicopters for Afghanistan, all the more for its money. And the excuse that they are more familiar with flying on the Mi somehow sounds childish.
      1. cobalt
        cobalt 24 June 2013 19: 47
        +2
        So the conclusion suggests itself, judging by the purchases, there will soon be more MI-17 in Afghanistan than in our troops. It’s sad somehow.
  2. Krilion
    Krilion 24 June 2013 07: 58
    +4
    military aviation is certainly good, but it is clear to any normal specialist that the largest means can only be obtained from the sale of civilian products .. while a military aircraft can only be bought by the state, even a single person can buy a civilian airliner, not to mention about private airlines, whose needs are much higher than the needs of entire states in military equipment ... in this regard, it is strange that we still don’t even hear about the development of a domestic civil long-range passenger aircraft that can compete with foreign analogues ... just a shame ...
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 24 June 2013 08: 10
      +3
      You're right ! See how much Boeing and Airbus earn on civilian aircraft. It's time to decide on the Yak-130. They say that it will be a purely training aircraft, and we will create a new one as an attack aircraft. They are going to upgrade the SU-25. Continuous uncertainty. And competitors are on the alert. Brazilians with the civilian "Embraer"
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 24 June 2013 08: 52
        +1
        There will definitely not be any attack aircraft for itself because of the objective impossibility of creating it. The machine will very quickly move to another size class, at least to AMX and Gripen, which already means creating from scratch, and with a high-quality approach, the same Su-25 will succeed.
  3. Dima190579
    Dima190579 24 June 2013 08: 22
    +2
    Well done. They showed themselves and watched others.
  4. Avenger711
    Avenger711 24 June 2013 08: 23
    +9
    What the hell is KLA privatization? That is, should the state bring the company to profitability, and then someone should eat from this? In 10 years to ruin everything, push it to the state again. The prosecutor's office should deal with this issue. And this, by the way, is a much more serious issue than the total gay parades combined.
  5. 123tank
    123tank 24 June 2013 08: 33
    +4
    Selling the SU-35 to the Chinese will lead them to distort its construction, as always.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 24 June 2013 08: 49
      +1
      They won’t distort the whole car, they can’t even copy legally delivered, they will borrow something, but not all.
  6. Simon
    Simon 24 June 2013 08: 36
    0
    Europeans didn’t want to miss the Ka-52, because on this day it would overshadow all such European cars with its beauty and wonderful flight, they missed their queues in order to sign contracts, and then they were afraid of a showdown with Russia and the next day they missed flight is our helicopter, which has no analogues in the world. Nothing, the main thing has begun, ours will break through to the world market, they will even wipe their noses with everything, with their aircraft, since the SU-35 is worth what, and also the T-50 is coming. good drinks
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 24 June 2013 09: 04
      0
      If it’s so swaying that they can sell the Su-35 to narrow-eyed ones, which really makes no sense with a batch of less than 100 aircraft (for the Chinese themselves, even fifty of them will not increase their combat efficiency in principle, but rather will only create problems with different types of vehicles and imported components), then write to the president the whole country, and indeed it would be nice to clarify who and why we are arming. Azerbaijan itself cannot be called a friendly country. For me, this is how it is, in general, our legitimate oil barrel with a completely useless, impudent population, which in Soviet times did not want to work, and now even more so.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 June 2013 11: 20
        +3
        Quote: Avenger711
        Azerbaijan itself cannot be called a friendly country. For me, this is how it is, in general, our legitimate oil barrel with a completely useless, impudent population, which in Soviet times did not want to work, and now even more so.

        If they bring potatoes from Azerbaijan to Russia to sell, the question arises ... who grows them in Azerbaijan and what they bring to Russia, I'm not talking about other vegetables and fruits. Honestly speaking about the whole nationality in a way that is somewhat incorrect in my opinion.
        According to the article, I’m wondering what are the prerequisites of the state for the privatization of the UAC, what is the point, and for what, in order to buy back the looted enterprises in five years? According to Poghosyan, the UAC goes for profit, the meaning of privatization is not clear, in any case, the state should control the controlling stake.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 24 June 2013 13: 18
          +2
          Quote: Avenger711
          Azerbaijan itself cannot be called a friendly country. For me, this is how it is, in general, our legitimate oil barrel with a completely useless, impudent population, which in Soviet times did not want to work, and now even more so.



          Quote: saturn.mmm
          If they bring potatoes from Azerbaijan to Russia to sell, the question arises ... who grows them in Azerbaijan and what they bring to Russia, I'm not talking about other vegetables and fruits. Honestly speaking about the whole nationality in a way that is somewhat incorrect in my opinion.


          I remind the topic According to the results of the exhibition Le Bourget-2013, where do you see a mention in the topic about Azerbaijan ?!
      2. experienced
        experienced 24 June 2013 11: 22
        +2
        Quote: Avenger711
        Azerbaijan itself cannot be called a friendly country.

        And which country is friendly for Russia? Neutral then count the fingers on one hand is enough recourse
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 24 June 2013 18: 01
          0
          For example, India. At least, we have no contradictions with it, as well as common borders, and we don’t feel sorry for the packs.
    2. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 24 June 2013 09: 10
      +3
      The Ka-52 was just half an hour late, so it was replaced at the end of the program.
  7. Forget
    Forget 24 June 2013 08: 49
    +3
    United Aircraft Corporation generates loss while

    so there was no need to get involved in supers, but you just had to stupidly stamp Carcasses and Ana for the domestic market ... and prepare a springboard for the planes of the future
  8. Arthur 775
    Arthur 775 24 June 2013 09: 16
    +1
    The first thing, the first thing is airplane flying. Well, how are people? And people damn potooo! La La La La. sang our GDP.
    Outside well done, but inside it’s time to put in order!
  9. Algor73
    Algor73 24 June 2013 09: 23
    +3
    Firstly, various intermediary firms must be driven away from the feeder; secondly, politics must be excluded. No need to allocate huge funds for projects, you just need to establish leasing. It would be advantageous for companies to buy their own, rather than bushes overseas. And then their planes go
  10. rugor
    rugor 24 June 2013 09: 23
    +2
    the fodder of the first Mistral for Russia will be built in France, because the St. Petersburg company Severnaya Verf did not cope with this task and missed the deadlines.


    I wonder how many criminal cases were instituted in connection with the failure of the state defense order? Again they chided a finger?
    1. ramsi
      ramsi 24 June 2013 09: 59
      +1
      most likely ... And it would be necessary - with a soldering iron!
    2. Vinnipukh
      Vinnipukh 24 June 2013 10: 08
      +2
      It is further written there that the stern is almost ready and will be delivered on time. There was information on the Internet that in June it would seem to be launched.
  11. Wolland
    Wolland 24 June 2013 09: 35
    0
    Fantastic models of Russian production !!! Honor and praise to the teams of the defense industrial complex of the presented machines! Our machines always attract more interest than others, since we are one step ahead of the others in this industry.

    We watch everything for 4,40-4,50 minutes, there is no such physics of U-turns on any 4-generation car, except perhaps PAK FA.
  12. runway
    runway 24 June 2013 10: 38
    +6
    Aircraft manufacturers and customers have entered into dozens of contracts worth about 180 billion dollars. More 2,6 billion falls on orders received by Russian aircraft manufacturers.
    That was all that was said.
    1. VAF
      VAF 24 June 2013 12: 39
      +8
      Quote: piston
      That was all that was said.


      +! But this is for those who ... understand!

      And for fellow I’ll explain, these are the sums of only leasing transactions for a super-duper, so to speak .. "Russian get-together" (OKA, Ilyushini and VEB).

      In Moscow, they could not meet, because far away .. a whole quarter of the distance, it is only necessary through the city of Paris! wassat

      Well, the next "pearl" about the MS-21 ... it's generally ... no words, there are already ten salons like all options.protokoly.intentions, etc. etc.!

      Salon-FAILED COMPLETELY !!! As a SHOW yes, ours showed themselves, but as a "result" .... and the result ... in the face! the contract with the Chinese (future) and the contract for the Mi-28, which set the teeth on edge ... all ... arrived!
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 24 June 2013 12: 42
        -2
        +! But this is for those who ... understand!

        I don’t understand. When did bourgeois buy equipment from us? Especially aviation?
        1. VAF
          VAF 24 June 2013 13: 22
          +4
          Quote: leon-iv
          I don’t understand


          This is bad recourse but ..here I can’t help request wink

          Quote: leon-iv
          When did bourgeois buy equipment from us?


          And Hindus, Algerians, Syrians, Iran, Iraq, China, Sudan, Angola, Libya, Egypt, Malaysia, Indonesia
          ia, etc., etc. is that ... "proletarians" wassat
          1. postman
            postman 24 June 2013 16: 20
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            etc

            ADD:
            Finland (4 - MiG-15UTI, 22- MiG-21F-13,4-MiG-21U, 3- Il-28R + 1 "clean" Il-28 bomber (despite the ban), in 1989 had a great chance to supply MiG -29. But lost the competition Douglas F / A-18C, as well as JAS 39A Gripen, General Dynamics F-16 MLU, McDonnell, Dassault Mirage 2000-5)

            Hungary (1995: 28 MiG-29 fighters)
            Argentina (Su-29 and Mi171E)
            Brazil Mi-35M

            unless Ethiopia is "proletarians"! But what are they black to her bo.
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 24 June 2013 18: 08
            +1
            Definitely not a bourgeois.
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 24 June 2013 18: 07
        0
        In order to sell a plane, it is not necessary to drag it to an air show. Key issues are decided ahead of time and quietly. The salon is just an excuse to get together and shake hands with each other. Or is someone sure that the purchase of such a sophisticated machine as an airplane is based on a brief overview of the show and brochures?

        MS-21 according to the appearance in the metal is considered.
      3. go
        go 25 June 2013 01: 09
        +5
        And you know why - because in Russia there were two problems - fools and roads, it remained, and the number of the first in my opinion only increases.



        Yesterday I flew on a brand new airbus with Aeroflot and thought that Lufthansa (for those who do not know the German analogue of Aeroflot) would never allow itself to fly on non-German airplanes. They really have, of course, also Boeing, but they fly only in the United States - I think that they are just allowed to enter the US market. Because every German, and anyone except us, will support his manufacturer and seek quality from him. Aeroflot has quite a few Boeing and Airbus, and several ordered superjets. IL-96 remained 9 pieces - I do not know whether they fly or not - I have not seen for a long time ...



        And because the Boeing is sitting in Moscow on Tverskaya and is picking up the remaining engineers and promising young people, offering them interesting programs for postgraduate training with a good salary. I was there at Tverskaya — such a good office — they are developing fuselage elements. Do our manufacturers make such programs - I doubt it! Everyone lives in a Soviet way and expects that all of them will go to them in droves for probably working for free, instead of working in a new way. For less whine and wait for mana from above, and work.



        I understand that most likely, if Aeroflot does not buy buses and broilers, then it will have nothing to fly on - but why then all these combined corporations from GDP, even if they cannot subsidize their planes?



        I also remember how a familiar engineer from Airbus was amazed at why Russia stopped developing wide-body aircraft, he really regretted this, and said that the school was unique. What to answer - fools and roads ... he did not understand.
  13. Russ69
    Russ69 24 June 2013 11: 28
    +1
    Well, at least we are trying to sell it. And to catch up with a Boeing or Airbus, after so many years of inaction, it is difficult to do.
  14. Akim
    Akim 24 June 2013 11: 39
    +3
    On the very first day of the exhibition, Iraq ordered a number of Mi-28NE attack helicopters from Russia. According to some sources, the amount of this contract exceeded four billion dollars

    This is a lot. For this money, you can buy a whole fleet of "Night Hunters", and not a certain amount.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 24 June 2013 11: 51
      +1
      Well, there probably not only helicopters are purchased, but also maintenance and other options, although the figure is, yes, an impressive one.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 24 June 2013 18: 09
      +1
      And rockets, personnel training, etc.?
  15. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 24 June 2013 12: 17
    +3
    Boeing and Airbus together almost 130 billions ... Is it really impossible to compete for companies of the Russian Federation for such a large market? Why is the construction of the aircraft carried out only after financing by the state or receipt of orders for a non-existing aircraft? Ignorance can not risk spending half a billion dollars on the rapid development of any TU-xxx, Il-xxx comparable in characteristics to those two? Indeed, even with the sale of 100 aircraft, the risk will be justified ...
    1. LINX
      LINX 24 June 2013 12: 50
      +4
      Yes, out of 180 lards, the Russian Federation has only 2.5, this is 1.2%, after a week of joyful squeak there is nothing to brag about.
      1. Akim
        Akim 24 June 2013 13: 14
        +4
        Quote: LINX
        Yes, out of 180 lards, the Russian Federation has only 2.5, this is 1.2%, after a week of joyful squeak there is nothing to brag about.

        Ukraine does not have that either. Some arrangements.
        1. LINX
          LINX 25 June 2013 00: 50
          +2
          No one disputes what is not, but ours didn’t declare sensational and breakthrough contracts.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 24 June 2013 18: 10
      0
      Just SSJ cost about half a billion, like the A-148. Cars abruptly will be more expensive.
      1. Akim
        Akim 24 June 2013 18: 23
        +1
        Quote: Avenger711
        Just SSJ was worth about half a billion


        Scared. I forgot that it is in rubles. An-158 Cuba sold for $ 28 million, and C / SJ in the English Wikipedia costs 35 million bucks.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 24 June 2013 18: 43
          +1
          I'm talking about development, not the cost of a piece. Moreover, the first SSJ left at a very big discount. The catalog price is the highest level and each contract is individual, and the first planes are always cheap, but it is necessary to compensate the one who will experience them for themselves, problems.
  16. Watchman
    Watchman 24 June 2013 14: 22
    +3
    The genuine chagrin of the author of the article that the Su-35 will not be exported yet, but will be delivered to the Russian Air Force is at least strange. You need to sell old equipment or with poor performance, as it was in the USSR, and all the best is only for yourself!
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 24 June 2013 16: 12
      +1
      For this, export machines exist.
  17. karal
    karal 24 June 2013 16: 42
    +1
    Still, the Russian military aviation industry has a future! This makes me happy!
  18. Constantine
    Constantine 24 June 2013 20: 37
    +1
    I very much hope that the deadlines for key positions in the next privatization are being delayed because knowledgeable people do not plan to sell this business, but they cannot yet openly declare the cancellation of this initiative. Otherwise, it’s not entirely clear to me how you can give the KLA, which is engaged, for the most part, far from civilian projects. To put the defense industry under the influence of private capital, which is more susceptible to manipulation, is the height of carelessness and shortsightedness. To push this privatization to those who started it, to where they spawned it from.

    In general, the trend is good, as is the article good
  19. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 25 June 2013 22: 20
    0
    Yes! The contracts for Airbus (for 466 aircraft = $ 69 billion) and Boeing (for 442 aircraft = $ 66,4 billion) are impressive. It will not be easy to break into this market, it is necessary to search for niches for this reason, and Poghosyan was forced to admit that the United Aircraft Corporation is still generating a loss !! But the path will be mastered by going !!! GOOD LUCK.