ZRK "Vityaz" and the priority of aerospace defense

Last Wednesday, 19 of June, Russian President V.Putin, accompanied by Defense Minister S.Shoigu, St. Petersburg Governor G. Poltavchenko, and other dignitaries visited the St. Petersburg Obukhov Plant, which deals with the implementation of several contracts under the state defense order. Officials were shown one of the shops of the plant, which housed the machines of the new anti-aircraft missile complex Vityaz. After visiting the production, the president held a meeting on the current state and prospects of the Russian aerospace defense systems.

Of particular interest is the demonstrated equipment. The “Vityaz” air defense system for the first time got into the lenses of photo and television cameras, which is why it immediately attracted widespread attention from the interested public. The complex developed by the Almaz-Antey concern in the near future will replace some modifications of systems of the C-300P family. "Vityaz" is intended for air defense of stationary objects and is capable of hitting targets at short and medium ranges. It is noted that the Vityaz uses the same medium-range missiles as the C-400 anti-aircraft complex.

Obukhovsky Zavod, which is a structural subdivision of the Almaz-Antey concern, manufactures launchers of the new air defense system. All units of installations are mounted on eight-wheeled chassis produced by the Bryansk Automobile Plant. In addition to the machine equipped with a missile launcher, the anti-aircraft complex includes a command post and an all-radar radar station. Characteristics of the Vityaz have not yet been announced, but representatives of the developer are talking about the imminent replacement of C-300 complexes of earlier models. This allows you to roughly imagine the capabilities of the new air defense system.

After an exemplary deployment of the complex’s systems, which passed directly into the workshop, the president was invited into the cabin of one of the machines. There, V.Putin examined the instrumentation and asked a few questions to the engineers who were developing the project. During the demonstration of the Vityaz complex, the general director of the Almaz-Antey concern, V. Menshchikov, told about the future of the new development. According to him, there is already an agreement with the Ministry of Defense, and this year missile tests will begin. Thus, the new air defense system will go to the army in the coming years.

At the meeting that followed a small “exhibition”, V. Putin emphasized the importance of ongoing work. He recalled that the opinion about the so-called first disarming strike is increasingly being expressed. According to the president, the military and defense industries in the development of the armed forces should take into account the possibility of such events. It is planned to allocate about 2020 trillion rubles for the development of aerospace defense, which is one of the top priorities, until 3,4. This will improve the capabilities of the troops defending the country's airspace, as well as prepare for repelling possible threats.

At the meeting, it was noted that the development of aerospace defense, and not “classical” air defense, is in some way a necessary measure. The fact is that the closest states are actively engaged in the subject of medium-range ballistic missiles and Russia must take this into account. Our country at one time refused to build and operate such systems, but for some of our neighbors, medium-range missiles are of great interest. For this reason, remedies are needed to counter such threats.

Work on the creation and construction of new air defense and air defense systems is already underway, with some of the results of these programs will be shown to the public in just a couple of months. According to Putin, at the upcoming international aerospace show MAKS-2013 (Zhukovsky), the Russian defense industry will demonstrate the latest samples of some aerospace defense systems. At the same time, the president did not specify the specific type of equipment planned for the show.

Speaking about the mass production of new technology, Putin noted that the main obstacles to the construction of anti-aircraft complexes are bureaucracy and red tape. However, despite these problems, production and design work must proceed on schedule. For deadlines, delays and similar phenomena, the respective managers should be personally liable. It is noteworthy that a bill has already been submitted to the State Duma providing for personal financial penalties for negligent officials and merchants. In accordance with this bill, those who disrupted the fulfillment of the State Defense Order will pay fines, and organizations will be subject to various restrictions.

During the meeting, the President recalled the main tasks pursued by the current state rearmament program. By 2015, the aerospace defense forces should upgrade their equipment by half, and by 2020, by 70%. The implementation of such plans requires the renewal of production and improvement of their work. Already, certain measures are being taken for this, and the Obukhov plant was no exception.

To increase the efficiency of the Obukhov plant and a number of related enterprises, the North-Western Regional Center is being established as part of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern, which will include five St. Petersburg factories. As V. Putin said, such a measure would optimize the costs of production and transport processes. It Obukhov factory will play a leading role in this association. In addition, the reconstruction of the enterprise is continuing, the result of which should be the renewal of production capacities and, as a result, the increase of opportunities. The first results of all these works are already visible. Thus, in the current 2013 year, Obukhovsky Plant was able to conclude contracts with a total volume of 12 billion rubles in the framework of the State Defense Order. Last year, that figure was four times less.

Among the new types of technology, the production of which will begin in the updated enterprises in the near future, there will be a new anti-aircraft missile system Vityaz. The approximate date of its adoption is 2016 year. The exact dates will become clear later when the tests of individual elements and the entire complex as a whole are completed.


On the materials of the sites:
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Comments

[old man54]

Well, the article is certainly positive, in the spirit of recent times - "the defense is growing stronger." Of course, I put a plus, the Defense definitely needs to be strengthened! I hope that the purely demonstration of the event for the media will not lose sight of the case with the Government and VVP! One moment is somewhat incomprehensible and annoying:

To improve the efficiency of the Obukhov plant and a number of related enterprises at present Northwest Regional Center is being created as part of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern, which will include five St. Petersburg plants.

Those. again everything is in the same spirit - we are developing only a small homeland of GDP against any logic and sometimes in defiance of common sense! To create the most powerful, high-tech center of the military-industrial complex of a huge country on its western border, in the truest sense of the word, is still stupid! Are we copying the mistakes of the Romanov tsarist regime? :) Apparently the lessons of the 2nd MV do not teach our "strategists" anything.

But I’m wondering if we had a president from Sakhalin, we would immediately have advanced industry and the military-industrial complex only on Sakhalin Island would develop, or what? :))

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: old man54

if we had a president from Sakhalin, we would immediately have advanced industry and the military-industrial complex only on Sakhalin Island would develop

These enterprises, which are now part of Almaz-Antey, were there before Putin. On the contrary, now a number of St. Petersburg enterprises of this concern are being brought together to one site of the Obukhov plant, and the rest of the sites will be sold after the transfer is over. Such an optimization. However, this is done everywhere, especially in Moscow. Moreover, there is no particular crime in this (if you do not take into account who makes money on the vacated areas and enterprises), because even the remaining areas are enough for today's most optimistic weapons production plans.
Which does not prevent enterprises with the products most in demand now actively developing.

[old man54]

I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yeryoma! :))
We have that, dilapidated, barely-living enterprises of the military-industrial complex in the country, is it not enough? Is it impossible, cleverly, to establish production there? You are probably from St. Petersburg yourself, so you stupidly do not want to admit the obvious that with the arrival of GDP, everything began to revolve around Leningrad, and in the days of the Ural drunk Sverdlovsk-Yekaterinburg flourished! Got this "state" approach already !!! :(

[omsbon]

Quote: old man54

Do we have little, dilapidated, barely living enterprises of the military-industrial complex in the country?

Dear Andrew!
Of course, it is necessary to develop all regions of the country, but in this case, a ready-to-work enterprise with an operating infrastructure is used. In the defense industry, time plays an important role, as the saying goes "dear testicle for Christ's day!"

[Horde]

Quote: omsbon

Of course, it is necessary to develop all regions of the country, but in this case, a ready-to-work enterprise with an operating infrastructure is used. In the defense industry, time plays an important role, as the saying goes "dear testicle for Christ's day!"

in Moscow there is an enterprise "Moscow Radio Engineering Plant MRTZ" -ANTEI, which Almaz has cleaned up, and so this plant is in a SEMI-DESTROYED CONDITION, and half of it is naturally for any type of business in Moscow, then there is no IFRASTRUCTURE? And why? because a policy is being pursued to DESTROY -DESTALINIZE everything that was in the USSR, it comes to madness instead of reconstruction, old factories are demolishing and building new ones.

[saha6052]

"A policy is being pursued to DESTROY -DESTALINIZE everything," forgive me, but this is Stalinism: to the ground, and then Hitler and I will take root and build socialism!

[saha6052]

"as the saying goes," dear testicle for Christ's day! "" - you probably mean, "reform-91st?"

[old man54]

it’s immediately obvious that there are many St. Petersburg and fans of GDP on the site. :)

[lelikas]

Quote: old man54

it’s immediately obvious that there are many St. Petersburg and fans of GDP on the site. :)

although St. Petersburg is far from being a fan of GDP, for example, they took and moved everything to the remote taiga - who will go there to work? And the cost of transporting all factories, and training local workers "from scratch"? What about the infrastructure?
And the plant has withstood several wars and revolutions and is worthless (vv sense works )

I just didn’t understand one thing - where does the space come from, if the missiles are short and medium range ???

[old man54]

Quote: lelikas

- for example, they took and moved everything to the deep taiga - who will go there to work? And the cost of transporting all factories, and training local workers "from scratch"? What about the infrastructure?
And the plant has withstood several wars and revolutions and is worthless (vv sense works )

You probably never traveled 100 km from St. Petersburg, it reads from your comment if you think that the acre of Moscow and St. Petersburg in Russia is one taiga and collective farms only. :) And there are still some areas in the country until they collapse , and there are still factories, not everywhere in the ointment, but there are, and the cadres have not all fled and died, no less, I think, than in St. Petersburg Putin. A sound mind is needed and the ability to look a few steps ahead, and not just think about your school and student sidekicks, how to help them with business, so that they can call for bread and butter.
But under the USSR, even after the Second World War, they did not think so, as you do today, but GRANULAR! and thoughtfully created defense facilities not only in the already historically formed industrial centers of the country (these were usually its western regions), but also in the depths, in Siberia, the Far East and the Urals. The leaders then somehow made conclusions from the 41st year, when at a confused pace and under German air bombs, the factories had to be exported to the East in the Stakhanov mode of operation! And then imeeno, as you write - IN A CLEAN FIELD AND IN TAIGA, and people for them were in the Zemlyanki! The world did not know and will not know any precedents of such a scale and time of the transfer of industry! No. 2 we wish, once is not enough for us? Eh you, strategists-mercantelists, effective managers, damn it! :))) Look how St. Petersburg did not like what I said, still throw "tomatoes". :)

[iSpoiler]

Bullshit guys, I'm from Kamchatka ..... will it still be ..

[GP]

old man54

With GDP, Yekaterinburg is developing much better than with EBN, it is much better.

Quote: old man54

it’s immediately obvious that there are many St. Petersburg and fans of GDP on the site. :)

I’m not a Petersburger, and, in general, a fan of GDP, his policy is impressive. There will be a person capable of doing better, sympathy will be on his side.

[Horde]

Quote: old man54

the high-tech center of the military-industrial complex of a huge country on its western border, in the truest sense of the word, that is still stupidity! Are we copying the mistakes of the Romanov tsarist regime? :) Apparently the lessons of the 2nd MV do not teach our "strategists" anything.

don’t say is it really difficult to understand the simple and obvious truth that the SIZE of our country has always been our most effective defense. What can I say Fools do not learn at all from mistakes, not from positive examples. Putin’s capitalism’s motto is SELL EVERYTHING YOU CAN, but there grass does not grow.

But I’m wondering if we had a president from Sakhalin, we would immediately have advanced industry and the military-industrial complex only on Sakhalin Island would develop, or what? :))

Jews do not live on Sakhalin

[saha6052]

As far as I know, it was not Putin who invented capitalism, but the "kamunists" of the Stalinist sourdough - they poured the country to the foe to hang out beautifully, the bourgeoisie were not suckers and did not want to fraternize with the Judas, the one who betrayed his own, would sell strangers even cheaper. mountains and a stool from under the feet is already knocked out, the "knight" -will not help, unless with his teeth for the air?

[Geisenberg]

Quote: old man54

But I’m wondering if we had a president from Sakhalin, we would immediately have advanced industry and the military-industrial complex only on Sakhalin Island would develop, or what? :))

Then the oil export would be replaced by the export of walrus bolts ...

Disconnect what you say.

[saha6052]

"Apparently the lessons of the 2nd MV do not teach our" strategists "anything." - Such as Svechin, Tukhachevsky and generally Soviet and former Russian officers were shot because they were preparing the army for the War of the Future, and not according to the lessons of the First World War - feel difference.

[Atrix]

12 missiles in one launcher this is already progress. I think it was done with the expectation of a massive enemy raid.
We will eat up that the troops will go on time and in normal volumes.

It is noteworthy that a bill has already been submitted to the State Duma providing for personal financial penalties for negligent officials and businessmen. In accordance with this bill, those responsible for disrupting the implementation of the State Defense Order will pay fines, and various restrictions will be imposed on organizations.

The officials responsible for disrupting the defense of the order do not have to pay a fine, but must bear criminal penalties for treason. Other commercial organizations must be fined 100 times the contract concluded with them.

[old man54]

Quote: Atrix

The officials responsible for disrupting the defense of the order do not have to pay a fine, but must bear criminal penalties for treason. Other commercial organizations must be fined 100 times the contract concluded with them.

I agree with you, colleague !!! Only about the multiplicity ... it is not so "off the shoulder", otherwise you can raze the entire military-industrial complex in the bud and let the world go, but of course you have to punish very harshly! Personally, I'm over 37 years old!

[saha6052]

Quote: old man54

Personally, I'm over 37!

and I’m for Norilsk, why? -and I sat there and still sit-democracy!

[Reddragon]

Practice shows the opposite: regression. 12 missiles of this "caliber" is too many!
The Arab-Israeli experience shows that one should do according to the principle "the less the better." The enemy will prowl drones - and in this case, we have the loss of 12 missiles at once. In addition, we need several installations, which will lead to an increase in density and a decrease in firing points.

In short: air defense cannot be of a stationary type. Shot off and fled! Well, a maximum of 6 missiles, but not 12.

[Roll]

The system is good, but vulnerable in position, but if with a Chinese anti-aircraft pure cannon system, then class. One chassis, a seven-barreled Chinese cannon, reflects all objects at a distance of 2 km, while the other heroes and locators also work in conjunction with missiles. The hero and the laodan perfectly complement each other, but the shell and the hero are not that.

[saha6052]

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Quote: Rolm

The hero and the laodan perfectly complement each other, but the shell and the hero are not that.

"Hey, godfather, what is this about hunweibins? This, godfather, fucking fucking, in Chinese, and jiaofani?" The same, only in tselofani.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Atrix

12 missiles in one launcher this is already progress. I think it was done with the expectation of a massive enemy raid.

The rocket looks small. Apparently this is medium-range air defense, 100-150 kilometers away ... just what Iran needs ...

[saha6052]

“I think it was done with the expectation of a massive enemy raid.
We will be fed up that the troops will go on time and in normal volumes. "- so the volumes are the most important thing - will the Turks drive the barge for scrap metal, if the volumes are small? - so it won't burn out for long, and the economy should be economical.

[abu]

I could not find data about this system, maybe someone knows?

[Atrix]

Quote: abu

I could not find data about this system, maybe someone knows?

What data do you need? This system is only being developed and all data on it will be classified for a long time

[saha6052]

Quote: Atrix

This system is only being developed and all data on it will be classified for a long time

-When the Moscow blacksmiths, at the instigation of the outside, slammed the country against the Earth, my wife (a man of cruel morals) said: the country had to be ditched only for the "secret" shit to finally understand what it was worth. naked, but also smelling, this is the real "secrecy" - to fool your own people, not enemies. And if and what! - brothers and sisters will come out of the camps and, of course, stand up for-Suk.

[Tartary]

The complex developed by Almaz-Antey Concern in the near future will replace some modifications of the S-300P family systems. Vityaz is intended for air defense of stationary objects and is capable of hitting targets at short and medium ranges.


This is understandable ... The system of the latest development and in its characteristics surpasses some S-300P systems, while, as can be seen in the photo), the missiles have smaller dimensions ...

It is noted that the Vityaz uses the same medium-range missiles as the S-400 anti-aircraft complex.
And here the comment of a more informed user is required ...
Because Earlier, the allegedly S-400 photo was already posted in the articles and judging by the photo, the dimensions of the S-400 missile containers are not very different from the S-300 ...
What is the catch in the quoted phrase of the article?
After all, it is clearly visible that the dimensions of the Vityaz missiles are smaller than the S-300 and S-400 (?), And in the cassette there are exactly 3 times more of them than the S-300/400 ...

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Tartary

judging by those photos, the dimensions of the S-400 missile containers are not very different from the S-300

And to look for the answer to the question yourself?

"Vityaz" - short and medium-range missiles.
"S-400" - medium and large. Average - common with "Vityaz". The larger ones have the same container as the S-300. It is possible to use old missiles from the S-300 and new, longer range.

[Argon]

Dear Tartary, the fact is that the S-300 is armed with two types of medium and long-range missiles, and the TPK is the same in the complex, usually there are three medium-range missiles for one long-range (although it all depends on the specific task) .This was done to optimize the destruction of m Each class of targets has its own type of missiles. In the S-400 (according to rumors), another missile (anti-ballistic) was added. This is approximately the case with the Vityaz, the range of joint ventures was increased (two types of launchers are shown in the video). radar (for the possibility of detecting / tracking high-precision AAS)

[Altor86]

During my service on the S-300, the missiles in the division were of the same type. I don’t know where you got about 2 types of missiles?

[Argon]

If you served on a stationary complex, this is understandable - you were in another division, especially since the cost of missiles is very different. If on a mobile, forgive me, the question of your "competence" is.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Tartary

It is noted that the Vityaz uses the same medium-range missiles as the S-400 anti-aircraft complex.

Vityaz uses 9M96E and 9M96E2 missiles

[patsantre]

And how many of these crawls into one S-400 TPK? I heard that 4 ... then what's the point in Vityaz?
Although, maybe it was about the 9M100.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Tartary

After all, it is clearly visible that the dimensions of the Vityaz missiles are smaller than the S-300 and S-400 (?), And in the cassette there are exactly 3 times more of them than the S-300/400 ...

We are talking about 9M96E2 / 9M96M missiles
Length 4.75 m 5.65 m
Diameter 240 mm 240 mm
Wingspan 480 mm
Weight 333 kg 420 kg
Warhead weight 26 kg 24/26 kg
Range 8-10-15 km according to various sources
1 - 40 km / up to 60 km (for other data) 120 km (for aerodynamic purposes)
30 km (for ballistic purposes)
Maximum speed 900 m / s 900-1000 m / s
Defeat height 5 - 20000 m 5 - 30000 m
Cross overload 60 units (near the ground)
20 units (at an altitude of 30000 m)
Type of warhead fuses - contact and remote high-explosive
fuses - contact and remote high-explosive radar
fuses - contact and remote radar

The new SAMs should be armed with the latest modifications of the S-300PM-2 air defense system, the new S-400 system, and the promising Vityaz and Redut air defense systems.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Tartary

Because Earlier, the allegedly S-400 photo was already posted in the articles and judging by the photo, the dimensions of the S-400 missile containers are not very different from the S-300 ...

Not everything is so simple. Here, for example, is a kit where instead of one large container it costs 4 smaller ones.

Apparently, a large container is necessary for long-range missiles, and on medium and short-range (this is how Vityaz is positioned) it is quite possible to do with missiles in small containers.

[pensioner]

The video seems to be like 2 different systems. Which one is Vityaz?

[earthling]

It is not clear what the latest weapons will be equipped with. Already rockets are falling equipped with cheap Chinese electronics. The reason is simple - the failure of industrial modernization. It's only the beginning.

[tchack]

Everything is great, of course, but I have a question: why the air defense systems are not masked ???

They would disguise themselves as containers or just as wagons ... like the Chinese are doing with rzzo ...

[Bongo]

Chinese C-300P at position

[SPIRITofFREEDOM]

12 rockets at launch is good!
The more the better, so as not to waste time reloading
And at a time 12 enemy airplanes rigidly "landed" in parts!

[saha6052]

Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM

And at a time 12 enemy airplanes rigidly "landed" in parts!

“Do you mean that in every airplane along Matthias Rust, and why in parts?” they did not manage to remove the wires on Red Square?

[Yankuz]

Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM

12 rockets at launch is good!
The more the better, so as not to waste time reloading
And at a time 12 enemy airplanes rigidly "landed" in parts!

And the characteristics ??? Not to shoot the sparrows!

[Altor86]

The article is certainly a plus. I would like to hope for the best. But everything is somehow vague, blurry. Yes, and the timing of deliveries to the troops is unrealistic.

[saha6052]

Quote: Altor86

The article is certainly a plus. I would like to hope for the best. But everything is somehow vague, blurry. Yes, and the timing of deliveries to the troops is unrealistic.

I am also tormented by vague suspicions: Shpak has a tape recorder, an ambassador has a medallion! -That is necessary to defend from the Investigative Committee. -No, "Vityaz" in such matters is not gold, but a cast-iron crumb.

[morpogr]

New is always a plus, so engineering military thought does not stand still and this is good.

[VohaAhov]

SAM Vityaz is a pretty serious thing. It will be possible to launch 3 types of missiles from it. 9M96E missile with a launch range of 120-135 km, 9M96E2 missile with a range of 40 km. Instead of one 9M96E and E2 missile, you can put 4 9M100 missiles with a launch range of 10 km (so far I have not seen it live and in the form of exhibits). As a result, the ammunition load of one launcher can be up to 48 9M100 missiles. The type and number of missiles on the launcher can be varied. Vityaz is unified with the naval "Polyment-Redut" installed on corvettes of project 20380, 20385, frigates of project 22350 and on the modernized cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov". As a result, we get an echeloned air defense zone with a defeat zone from 1 km to 135 km. For comparison, the S-300PMU1 has a launch range of 150 km, the S-300PMU2 - 200 km. S-400 with missiles from S-300 (we have today) - 230 km. S-400 with new missiles - up to 400 km, S-500 - up to 600 km.

[Clueless]

I can’t understand one thing ... what the hell was they called Vityaz? Specialists Vityaz has long been associated with all-terrain vehicles Vityaz

[Grey_k]

At the expense of the element base ... I think electronics are being made for domestic military factories in domestic factories, even on TV they showed the production of microprocessors for the army according to the 90nm technological process, modern computers have much less technical process, but for large complexes the chip size on the board is not as critical as for laptops) I think this is not so bad. Remember RCC Yakhont, this is a real robot with artificial intelligence, and the elemental base is domestic. I think the developments have remained and progress does not stand still)

[patsantre]

What intelligence is there in yachts on a yacht? Even if you believe in these tales about a wolf pack (and then, it's about granite), then this is a very simple algorithm, in fact.

[Pelican]

It turns out in the future: S-500, S-400, Vityaz, Morpheus and Carapace. This is the nomenclature! And also military air defense ...

[pinecone]

Quote: Horde

But I’m wondering if we had a president from Sakhalin, we would immediately have advanced industry and the military-industrial complex only on Sakhalin Island would develop, or what? :))

Jews do not live on Sakhalin

They live, as well as in Norilsk, Tyumen, Urengoy, etc.

[Horde]

Quote: pinecone

They live, as well as in Norilsk, Tyumen, Urengoy, etc.

are they really in Birobidzhan? Who would have thought, but what did the factories have to do with it? because instead of factories around the banks poked.

[xomaNN]

Looks outwardly interesting. The diameter of the containers in comparison with the "three hundred" is much smaller, the rocket is accordingly smaller and will fly closer :)) But a dozen on one machine is great.

[vBR]

All of these single-use complexes are in real combat conditions. Putting new missiles into the TPK is a lengthy procedure, they will bomb 40 times. There is a blunder here - some amateurs chose the BAZ for launchers, it is narrow, and the same for the S-400. The new MZKT chassis, which is used for the Iskanders, for example, would significantly increase combat power. The width is more than 3 m, the carrying capacity is also higher, missiles could be 8 and 3, or even 4 rows

[nightmare12]

Pleased

[January]

Quote: RedDragoN

Practice shows the opposite: regression. 12 missiles of this "caliber" is too many!

This is not a very much respected "RedDragoN". Considering the multichannel guidance of this product (professionals will understand what this is about ...), given that we traditionally use two "barrels" for each target for each target (to increase the hit rate), and most importantly, the reaction time to the target in the product reduced minimally!
Therefore, this "gun" is a very big headache for an adversary. I assume that in 5 minutes it turned around (open sources of information), in a very minimal time, it released its products and hit the targets with a coefficient. 0,98, curled up and at a speed of at least 45 km / h left from under the blow to reload ...

[datur]

12 rockets at a time is very interesting for warriors !!!

[gradient]

Quote: old man54

Those. again everything is in the same spirit - we are developing only a small homeland of GDP against any logic and sometimes in defiance of common sense! To create the most powerful, high-tech center of the military-industrial complex of a huge country on its western border, in the truest sense of the word, is still stupid! Are we copying the mistakes of the Romanov tsarist regime? :) Apparently the lessons of the 2nd MV do not teach our "strategists" anything.

I propose to move the Obukhov plant and with it the Northern Shipyards, the Baltic plant, the Kirov plant, LOMO, Morfizpribor, SPMBM "Malakhit", CDB MT "Rubin", Severnoe PKB, Nevskoe PCB, CDB "Iceberg", TsMKB "Almaz", KB Arsenal, TsNII Krylov, Klimov Plant together with KB, NPO Aurora, TsNII Elektropribor, TsNII Prometey and Leninets holding in the capital of Kalmykia, Elista.
And far away from the western border, and to Putin.

[old man54]

Quote: Gradient

I propose to transfer the Obukhov plant and, together with it, the Northern shipyards, the Baltic Shipyard, the Kirov Shipyard,
And far away from the western border, and to Putin.

Unfortunately, even in VO, you rarely meet adequate people to discuss serious things, such as the strategy of a country's development, taking into account possible databases (and not only from the mercantile interests of certain layers of society). It’s sad, but I don’t want to argue, "throwing beads in the city ... before with ...." is somehow boring!

[AVDOTYAKARLOVNA]

Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM

12 rockets at launch is good!
The more the better, so as not to waste time reloading
And at a time 12 enemy airplanes rigidly "landed" in parts!

Dreaming ... at least two rockets per plane. It is necessary to proceed from a sober calculation and not from complacency. Tomahawk can maneuver for a long time before it hits and you can’t fill it with one rocket.

[scientist]

Unfortunately, the main vulnerability of the air defense system is the SNR. In conditions of active interference, the complex becomes single-channel until the director is destroyed, and the autocompensators in the PAA systems are, in principle, weakly correlated and ineffective, especially in the direction of the main beam, i.e. the main blow. And if we take into account that the PAPs are now all towed on ropes of 150-300 meters, then the probability of destroying the air defense missile system with the radiation on for 20 minutes is 90%. Therefore, I do not understand why work is not underway to create a hidden radar field and control. Scientific research in this direction was carried out more than 8 years ago at a very high level, proven and protected by patents. The French and Americans are not interested in this topic, their priority is the creation of strike systems, but despite this they have been working in this direction for over 10 years and the results are the passive location complexes "Silent Sentry" and "Homeland Alerter 100".