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The present and future of the Bundeswehr

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The present and future of the Bundeswehr



The economic crisis has not bypassed NATO's strike force in Europe - the Bundeswehr. The German army had to endure the unification of Germany, the reduction of military equipment and weapons, the abolition of universal military duties, the shortage of qualified military personnel. These circumstances led to significant changes in the German army. Today, according to analysts, the outpost of the North Atlantic bloc has become the leader of European pacifism and decay.

After the victory over German fascism, in 1949 a NATO military bloc was created. The Bundeswehr was at the forefront of confrontation with the countries of the Soviet bloc and was the main strike force of NATO. On the territory of western Germany, powerful groupings of military units of Great Britain, Canada, the USA, France, Belgium and the Netherlands were deployed. All combat units were combined in two directions - the ground forces and aviation army.

The unification of Germany in 1990 led to the strengthening of the military power of the Bundeswehr. The German army was armed at that time with about 7 thousand tanks, 9 thousand armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, 5 thousand guns and mortars, a thousand combat aircraft. Germany also had equipment from other NATO countries: about 7,5 thousand tanks, 7 thousand infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 3,2 thousand artillery systems and more than 300 aircraft. Most of these weapons belonged to the American military contingent.

But all this was in the past. The German air armies and most of the land armies have already been disbanded. Military groups of Holland, France, Canada and Belgium have long been withdrawn from the territory of Germany. Three years later, the British military grouping would follow their example. The Americans had already withdrawn virtually all of their armed units — two tank brigades (without tanks) and 100 aircraft remained on German territory.

The Bundeswehr significantly reduced its own weapons - first sold off the military equipment of the former GDR, and then its own, and, moreover, fairly modern. The German government, throwing a large amount of decommissioned weapons onto the foreign market, simultaneously reduced the volume of government orders to its military-industrial complex, which put it in a very difficult position.

Despite the reduction of the military power of the Bundeswehr, German military pilots took part in the NATO operation in the Balkans, the Bundeswehr military group was transferred to Afghanistan, the German military was part of the peacekeeping forces stationed in Africa. The participation of German armed groups in military conflicts in the territories of other countries revealed negative trends occurring within the German army. Perhaps the consequences of these circumstances was the accelerated departure of the Germans from Afghanistan, non-participation in the Libyan operation of NATO, as well as the lack of desire to intervene in the Syrian conflict. Despite all the internal problems of the German army, it still remains the largest Western European army. But today it has already lost the status of the main striking force of the North Atlantic bloc in Europe.

Due to the current situation, Germany was forced to urgently begin to transform its armed forces. Reforming is carried out in three main areas: rejection of military conscription, reduction in the number of military units, and significant savings in the defense budget.

And although, in the military department itself, the opinions of specialists on the question of ways of reforming are far from unified, the Minister of Defense believes that it is necessary to implement the decisions already taken. The military leadership faces a very difficult task - not only to preserve the German armed forces, but also to prepare them for the performance of complex combat tasks in the new political and economic conditions.

New Minister of Defense of Germany, de Mezier, has to create a new German army in the absence of sufficient funding, a change not for the better in the demographic situation in the country, a lack of support for some influential political parties and an imbalance in the work of the administrative structures of the armed forces. German military experts believe that the structure of the Bundeswehr does not correspond to the modern level. As the experience of reforming the previous years has shown, selective adjustment of individual structural units is no longer acceptable - a comprehensive radical reform is required.

The measures taken by the leadership of the German military command to transform the army, for the most part, are based on the report of the inspector general of the Bundeswehr. The decision of the Federal authorities to reduce the military budget for 8 billion euros, as well as the decision of the Cabinet of Ministers to reduce the personnel of the armed forces to 185 thousand: 170 thousand should be personnel soldiers, contract soldiers 15 thousand volunteers made it very difficult. The reduction also affected the staff serving the army - twenty thousand civil servants were fired.

In the early stages of reform, the leaders of the Free Democratic Party, who insisted on the abolition of conscription service, had to accept a temporary compromise solution with opponents of this idea by the CDU / CSU Alliance: as a result, the conscription service life was reduced to six months instead of the previous nine. Many military experts have dubbed this decision as “trainee service”. The military leadership hoped that many recruits after completing their term of service would subsequently voluntarily remain in the army under contract. And indeed, about 8-mi thousands of recruits remain to serve further under the contract. But at the same time, ten thousand military personnel were engaged exclusively in the preparation of draftees. Since this recruitment practice did not lead to the desired result, at 2011, the German military command abolished the mandatory call-up for military service from 1 in July of the same year. At the same time, with the adoption of the law on the termination of conscription, voluntary military service was introduced by law with a contract duration from 12 to 23 months. It is assumed that about 15 thousands of volunteers will appear in the German army, who together with the contract soldiers and military personnel will form the personnel of the German armed forces. But this solution is quite difficult to implement. The military command understands that the recruitment to the "volunteer" part of the German army can be failed due to the lack of the necessary number of people willing to serve on the proposed conditions. In addition, the annual rotation of seventeen thousand military personnel and contract servicemen is also necessary. The labor market will not be able to provide the military with such a large number of professionals in conditions of tough competition with private companies. German legislators have not yet made a decision to ensure the attractiveness of military service, although such a program, consisting of their 82 points, has already been prepared by the military department.

As a result of such unhurried legislative action for several years now, the German army has been experiencing an acute shortage of specialists, including doctors and engineers. More than seven thousand posts in the army for a long time remain vacant. The Bundeswehr requires all military specialists to, above all, be professional in their field, withstand enormous workloads, have diplomatic skills, innovative thinking, be able to adapt to a dynamic environment, have the skill to analyze the situation and consciously make decisions about military service, understanding the existing risks of military professions. Since the German armed forces are involved in operations outside their own country, military personnel are required to respect intercultural and linguistic competence, as well as respect for ethical and balanced attitudes towards the indigenous population.

Bundeswehr military officials are well aware of the fact that the army will be forced to defend the country's security at the domestic level. And, therefore, the military will perform police functions. In this case, the soldier will need to perform not only the functions of a fighter, but also a diplomat, a social worker and a police officer. In order for the military department to obtain such specialists, it will take the authorities' efforts to increase the attractiveness of military service, as a promising place for career and professional growth.

But any reform requires the allocation of significant funds, especially such large-scale as the transformation of the armed forces of the most influential country in Western Europe.

The availability of sustainable funding is necessary, first of all, to attract qualified personnel from among the youth. Otherwise, the Bundeswehr will not cope with the task and the implementation of the reform will be impossible. Thus, the abolition of the call has already put the German military command in front of a problem in the fight against private business to bring into service a high-quality and professional workforce.

But as events have shown, it was precisely financing that became the Achilles' heel of the process of reforming the German armed forces. The military reformers are compelled, under the conditions of constant cuts in military spending, to develop a new compact structure of the German army, but with the obligatory condition that the possibility of a rapid response to situations related to defense and the security of the country remains. In addition, Germany is obliged to fulfill its obligations to NATO and the European Union.

The experience of the German military command and the results of the implementation of military reform by Germany provide food for thought, comparison and analysis in connection with the ongoing changes in the field of military construction in the Russian Federation. Unlike Russia, where the military leadership’s intention for military reform is still unknown, the German military can reasonably express their opinion on the activities being carried out and prove with conviction the necessity of every step of the transformations. It is not yet known whether the Bundestag will be able to carry out the decisions taken. But, after all, rarely transformations take place without unforeseen difficulties. In any case, the German military leadership will be able to make adjustments to their plans, depending on the situation. The ill-considered populism and political irresponsibility of the country's leadership can play a negative role in the process of Germany’s new military development. After all, even now, when the reform process is launched, it is clear that the combat capability and security of the country have been sacrificed for the fulfillment of another goal - financial savings. Such an approach could lead the army to lose its functionality and the inability to fulfill its duty to the people of the country and the European Union.

The experience of military transformation in Germany is valuable enough for the Russian military leadership. It would be a serious mistake to accept them unconditionally as a role model. But comparison, understanding foreign experience can serve the benefit of Russia in implementing the process of reforming the Russian armed forces.

Materials used:
http://nvo.ng.ru/forces/2013-05-31/1_bundesver.html
http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/reports/view/80765/
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  1. dark_65
    dark_65 20 June 2013 07: 30
    +7
    The Germans have a good memory, In Europe they have no equal in the war. They will never turn to us, but it's a pity. such a union would be.
    1. experienced
      experienced 20 June 2013 09: 30
      +8
      The Germans have always been strong opponents. The wars with them were hard, if at least once we acted as "one front", then the situation in the world now would be completely different winked
      Therefore, comments like
      Quote: Avenger711
      Wehrmacht chopped, you can not take it into account more.

      I think it’s stupid, after the First World War Germany was ravaged and such restrictions were imposed on the Army and Navy that they seemed to be buried forever and what? Twenty-odd years and again washed all the blood. So the enemy should not be underestimated, but now Russia and Germany have a good relationship, and Merkel’s statements that Germany will not supply weapons to bandits in Syria are generally worth a lot hi
      German Chancellor Angela Merkel said at a joint press conference with US President Barack Obama in Berlin that Germany would not supply weapons to the Syrian opposition.
      1. tixon444
        tixon444 20 June 2013 10: 10
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        Twenty-odd years and again washed all the blood.


      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 20 June 2013 14: 10
        +1
        External restrictions and voluntary things are different. Now Germany has no particular ideology. So many years have passed since the war that even those born after it are retired.
      3. vyatom
        vyatom 20 June 2013 16: 21
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        The Germans have always been strong opponents. The wars with them were hard, if at least once we acted as "one front", then the situation in the world now would be completely different

        Again, I’ll say that if my grandmother, etc.
        We could not be the Germans in any way. We have different geopolitical interests.
    2. vyatom
      vyatom 20 June 2013 16: 18
      +7
      Quote: dark_65
      The Germans have a good memory, In Europe they have no equal in the war. They will never turn to us, but it's a pity. such a union would be.

      Napoleon in 1807 defeated the entire German army in a matter of days. And belonged to the deepest contempt for the Germans. Murat's cavalry platoons surrendered fortresses with garrisons of several thousand people without a fight. The Prussian king humbledly awaited a decision on the fate of all of Germany in Tilsit where the Russian and French emperors decided the fate of Europe. Friedrich Barbarossa was generally a loser who was defeated by the Italians. Learn history and do not write any nonsense.
      The Germans shamefully lost the seven-year war. The first and second world wars.
      It was the Germans who set the goal of the destruction of all Slavic states and peoples in the 41st year.
      I can not stand the sixes who want to cling to a strong and prosperous Teutonic ass. Prince Alexander Nevsky hung such ribs on hooks at the gates of Pskov. And he was very, very right.
      1. dark_65
        dark_65 20 June 2013 23: 57
        +2
        Do you know the story well? Napoleon (all of Europe) and a set of dwarf principalities.
        Traditionally, the date of the founding of the German state is considered to be February 2, 962: on this day, the East Frankish king Otton I was crowned in Rome and became emperor of the Holy Roman Empire.
        Despite the attempts of the emperors to unite the Holy Roman Empire, it broke up into numerous independent states and cities. After the Reformation and the Thirty Years War, the emperor’s power was still nominal.
        As for the seven-year-old, as a result, Frederick will have to fight with a coalition of the three strongest continental powers and their allies, baptized by him as the “union of three women” (Maria Theresa, Elizabeth and Madame Pompadour).

        About the first and second world wars.
        According to the first, the same thing, the war against all of Europe and Russia.
        According to the second, the result was predictable only after 42 years.
        So let's respect the enemy.
        And learn the story.
        As for the ass, .. and sixes (if this is addressed, is there enough courage to show yourself? I used to ask.)
        1. dark_65
          dark_65 21 June 2013 00: 02
          -1
          And in addition, they are our blood relatives, the same Slavs in the past.
          1. vyatom
            vyatom 21 June 2013 11: 55
            +1
            Quote: dark_65
            And in addition, they are our blood relatives, the same Slavs in the past.

            Complete nonsense. German tribes were never our blood relatives. Another question is that in Russia there are a large number of descendants of Russified Germans.
            1. dark_65
              dark_65 23 June 2013 12: 24
              0
              Tovarisch, history is not such a difficult science, read it, do not be lazy.
        2. vyatom
          vyatom 21 June 2013 11: 48
          0
          There is enough courage. let's communicate
        3. vyatom
          vyatom 21 June 2013 11: 53
          0
          Quote: dark_65
          As for the ass, .. and sixes (if this is addressed, is there enough courage to show yourself? I used to ask.)

          I didn’t mean to insult you or humiliate you. He spoke in general about my attitude towards those who bow to those whom I bow to and consider unworthy of a Russian citizen.
          But ready to talk and meet.
        4. vyatom
          vyatom 21 June 2013 12: 11
          0
          Quote: dark_65
          Do you know the story well?

          I know for sure that the great Suvorov used to say:
          "The Russians always beat the Prussians." And he put it into practice.
          But if you are a Germanophile, then I think further dialogue will be inappropriate.
          1. dark_65
            dark_65 23 June 2013 13: 22
            +1
            In no case is a Germanophile, Anglo, and other filia not peculiar to me, I just objectively evaluate the enemy, the Germans knew how to fight, and they know how, they can’t take it away from me, I thumped them more than once, there is respect for us, but gradually thirst revenge .. this is felt.
            We will beat them again, but the price of this battle now may turn out to be very high for Russia, as a nation, and a state.
            I spent a little time on "business trips" at the dawn of the growth of the CIS, so I can say one thing, no one likes us (although I personally don't give a shit), everyone will try to bite, and it is extremely necessary to know and evaluate the enemy correctly.
            Now about the kinship of the Germans and us.
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DD%F2%ED%EE%E3%E5%ED%E5%E7_%F1%EB%E0%E2%FF%ED
            http://germanicvs.org/ar/g2.html
            I will not even drag Academician Rybakov here.
            http://www.fourthreich.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=153&t=1252
            http://vvdom.livejournal.com/208583.html
            Then I take my leave, I think I clarified my position a little. I’m just a sovereign, and for me Russia is not an empty phrase, but I also need to know the story.
  2. Avenger711
    Avenger711 20 June 2013 08: 22
    -9
    Wehrmacht chopped, you can not take it into account more.
  3. igor36
    igor36 20 June 2013 08: 24
    +2
    External threats to Germany now? Directly unlikely, the functions of their armed forces are now more peacekeeping to maintain the political influence of the country and the training of specialists in the fight against Islamic extremists raising their heads.
  4. Serojar
    Serojar 20 June 2013 08: 50
    13
    Something is wrong here:
    After defeating German fascism, in 1949 a NATO military bloc was created in the year, as a counterweight to the Warsaw Pact, formed on the initiative of the USSR.


    We read in Wikipedia:
    Warsaw Pact (Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance) from 14 May 1955 of the year - a document that formalized the creation of a military union of European socialist states with the leading role of the Soviet Union - the Warsaw Treaty Organization (ATS) and secured the bipolar world for 34 years. The conclusion of the agreement was a response to the accession of Germany to NATO.
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 20 June 2013 12: 47
      +2
      Someone just looked into the future, saw the "terrible OVD" and created NATO. It's simple.
  5. nepopadun
    nepopadun 20 June 2013 09: 53
    -2
    Oh, the Germans have become quite peaceful.
  6. vostok1982
    vostok1982 20 June 2013 10: 23
    0
    The German people turned into a paralyzed castrato.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 20 June 2013 16: 24
      +3
      Yah?
      Have you ever met "Bundases" at the resorts of the Mediterranean?
      Such "bulls" .... not tribal, really.
      ..
      In general, the Germans are ... normal people. Only now ... they constantly want a "guide". What else will come across?
  7. IRBIS
    IRBIS 20 June 2013 10: 53
    +5
    Quote: nepopadun
    Oh, the Germans have become quite peaceful.

    Quote: vostok1982
    The German people turned into a paralyzed castrato.

    A great delusion, the Germans never complained about bad national memory. Germany's abilities are well known and I would not be in a hurry to be moved by the facts set out in the article. For now, I repeat - for now, the Germans are satisfied with their hegemony in Europe, which they established by creating the EU. Once they get bored of playing "suckers", they can change the rules of the game. Throughout their history, they have never forgotten or forgiven anything. This "paralyzed castrate" has already proven its ability to instantly mobilize all forces and readiness to go to the end, whatever it may be.
    1. Simple
      Simple 20 June 2013 12: 44
      +4
      Greetings to Bac, Alexander. hi

      "... the ability to instantly mobilize all forces and the willingness to go to the end ..."

      I would like to believe in it.

      From 3,8 to 4,3, a million Muslims with immigrant backgrounds live in Germany. - showed the study "The Life of Muslims in Germany." Thus, significantly more Muslims than previously thought. In a study published in June 2009, commissioned by the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees.


      And these are only Muslims.

      The propaganda of the army in Germany at the moment is not very.

      In addition, after the creation of the Euro-zone, everything became much more complicated. For the German army is not for the better.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 20 June 2013 13: 10
        +3
        Hello, Alexander! No matter how paradoxical this sounds, Germany is far from indifferent to me, a Russian. This is the only state that deserves respect and attention. And I am sure that if, in due time, the leaders of the two countries had the wisdom and political foresight, then now the world order would be completely different. The eternal provocateur of wars - England, could only regret its former power. But alas, alas ...
        And I also think that Germany’s national potential is still very high.
        1. Simple
          Simple 20 June 2013 13: 58
          0
          .... what if, in due time, the leaders of the two countries had the wisdom and political foresight ...

          Totally agree" ! drinks
        2. vyatom
          vyatom 20 June 2013 16: 08
          0
          Quote: IRBIS
          This is the only state that deserves respect and attention. And I am sure that if, in due time, the leaders of the two countries had enough wisdom and political foresight, then now the world order would be completely different

          If grandmother had x, then she would be grandfather. Stop whining and bending. Hitler therefore attacked the USSR because he knew in the Soviet Union there are a lot of such sixes who breathe irregularly to everything German. Have self esteem IRBIS.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 20 June 2013 17: 26
            +1
            Quote: vyatom
            Stop whining and bending. Hitler therefore attacked the USSR because he knew in the Soviet Union there are a lot of such sixes who breathe irregularly to everything German.

            Well, firstly, my comment was not addressed to you.
            Secondly, regarding the reasons for Hitler’s attack on the USSR. Something you have with knowledge in the field of history is not it. Did you teach or smoke? Have you tried to read anything?
            And thirdly. I am glad that you breathe evenly for everything. Breathe like this, breathe more often - communication culture is clearly not your strong point. As, however, the conduct of normal disputes, something you do not know as a result of your intellect. "Six" - your dad has a son and, perhaps, also "Zhiguli"
      2. cumastra1
        cumastra1 20 June 2013 14: 48
        +2
        Do not forget that before the Second World War, 6 million Jews lived in Germany

        ABOUT:

        Quote: Simple
        From 3,8 to 4,3, a million Muslims with immigrant backgrounds live in Germany. - showed the study "The Life of Muslims in Germany." Thus, significantly more Muslims than previously thought. In a study published in June 2009, commissioned by the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees.


        Quote: Simple
        A great delusion, the Germans never complained about a bad national memory. Germany's abilities are well known and I would not be in a hurry to be moved by the facts set out in the article. For now, I repeat - for now, the Germans are satisfied with their hegemony in Europe, which they established by creating the EU. Once they get bored of playing "suckers", they can change the rules of the game. Throughout their history, they have never forgotten or forgiven anything. This "paralyzed castrate" has already proven its ability to instantly mobilize all forces and readiness to go to the end, no matter what it is
    2. vyatom
      vyatom 20 June 2013 16: 05
      -3
      Quote: IRBIS
      This "paralyzed castrate" has already proven its ability to instantly mobilize all forces and readiness to go to the end, no matter what it is

      Yes, that's just really this castrate did not go far. Not during the Seven Years War. Neither in 1918, nor in 1945. And do they need an army? All the same, all wars lose.
      1. Gato
        Gato 20 June 2013 17: 35
        +1
        Well, one still won - with France in 1870-71
        1. wk
          wk 21 June 2013 07: 30
          +1
          Quote: Gato
          Well, one still won - with France in 1870-71


          But is the Brest peace with Soviet Russia not a victory?
          1. vyatom
            vyatom 21 June 2013 11: 58
            0
            Quote: wk
            But is the Brest peace with Soviet Russia not a victory?

            No, this is not a victory.
        2. vyatom
          vyatom 21 June 2013 11: 58
          0
          Quote: Gato
          Well, one still won - with France in 1870-71

          Well, Austria was also defeated under the leadership of Bismarck. But it does not weather.
  8. vostok1982
    vostok1982 20 June 2013 11: 00
    0
    Quote: IRBIS
    willingness to go to the end

    Just the wrong way))))
  9. tanker75
    tanker75 20 June 2013 11: 42
    +1
    The author is wrong, at first they created NATO, and only then, in contrast to the Warsaw bloc was created. Someone will soon begin to blame us, at the beginning of the Cold War.
  10. RPG_
    RPG_ 20 June 2013 11: 44
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    The Germans have always been strong opponents. The wars with them were hard, if at least once we acted as "one front", then the situation in the world now would be completely different

    They played, together with William III (sort of) against Napoleon in 1805-1806. Received by cabbage soup, and Germany surrendered. On that and finished. True, in 1812-1813 we recouped :)
  11. True
    True 20 June 2013 12: 34
    0
    The Bundesfer definitely has a bright future! By the way, now there is a search for specialists who speak Polish and Russian.
  12. vomag
    vomag 20 June 2013 13: 21
    +2
    about "4,3 million Muslims with immigration roots live in Germany" I immediately recall an old German woman who spoke about this, and that there were 3 million Jews before Hitler came after leaving 20 thousand !!! Germans are nationalists to the core and this problem They will decide quickly. and there is no need to relax. years 30 million! although the Germans have not yet announced their favorite slogan "CANNONS INSTEAD OF OIL" I think we can sleep well
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 20 June 2013 23: 34
      0
      for reference, the Jewish population of Berlin:

      +1933 - 160 564
      +1939 - 82 788
      January 1942 - 55 000
      December 1942 - 33 000
      April 1943 - 18 315
      mid 1945 - 9000
      beginning of 1946 - 7070
  13. Danilka
    Danilka 20 June 2013 15: 18
    +1
    while Germany has a decent standard of living and it is in "slavery" from the United States, the Germans will not rock the boat over trifles. Although the situation with Muslims and all sorts of gays and Lisb will not reach a boiling point. Then you can wait for a new Fuhrer with the division Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer
  14. Gato
    Gato 20 June 2013 15: 40
    +3
    Here is the worst enemy of the Bundeswehr:
    Picket yourself see someone at the air force base in Germany
  15. Tabula Rasa
    Tabula Rasa 20 June 2013 16: 40
    +1
    in 1949, a NATO military bloc was created as a counterweight to the Warsaw Pact, formed on the initiative of the USSR.
    I did not master further.
  16. Danilka
    Danilka 20 June 2013 17: 08
    0
    if this goes on then 2030 will not be the Bundeswehr but a gamemacht laughing
  17. Messer
    Messer 20 June 2013 18: 49
    +1
    The main thing is that they do not go from the rear)
  18. Danilka
    Danilka 20 June 2013 19: 00
    0
    if they decide to attack from the rear, then the Khan of the United States wassat
  19. uzer 13
    uzer 13 20 June 2013 19: 26
    +1
    The reform of the Bundeswehr is quite a logical and expected event. Practical Germans have long understood that there will be no war with the Russians. And if so, why waste money on the maintenance of a large army? The problems of the German army during the reorganization and downsizing are very similar what is happening with the Russian army, even though the Germans will be richer. Especially in terms of personnel selection. True, there is no need to hurry, no military conflicts are expected for them in the near future.
  20. ed65b
    ed65b 20 June 2013 19: 27
    0
    That's how the Soviet Union killed the Wehrmacht and its own dokanali Bundes. Missing German soldier. It remains to hire mulmuk. laughing
    1. vyatom
      vyatom 21 June 2013 11: 59
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      That's how the Soviet Union killed the Wehrmacht and its own dokanali Bundes. Missing German soldier. It remains to hire mulmuk.

      It remains only to hire an army of Turkish Janissaries
  21. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 20 June 2013 19: 28
    0
    After the victory over German fascism, in 1949 the NATO military bloc was created as a counterweight to the Warsaw Pact, formed on the initiative of the USSR.
    Alle. How so? The Warsaw Pact Organization was created in 1955 as a counterweight to NATO, or am I wrong?
  22. mithridate
    mithridate 20 June 2013 20: 19
    0
    Quote: ed65b
    That's how the Soviet Union killed the Wehrmacht and its own dokanali Bundes. Missing German soldier. It remains to hire mulmuk. laughing
    exactly
  23. nnz226
    nnz226 20 June 2013 20: 48
    0
    the author of the history of the hosh would know a little bit? Quote: "In 1949, the NATO military bloc was created as a counterweight to the Warsaw Pact." remind when the Warsaw Pact was created ?! Not in 1948 for sure! And later the creation of NATO!
  24. datur
    datur 20 June 2013 22: 56
    +1
    I read and ,, started up, a tear, a mustache, the German army disappeared, there’s no more !!! poor NATO, acre, like, super, from, over, and hoping for no one !! (just buzzing) belay laughing wassat
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  26. pinecone
    pinecone 21 June 2013 07: 18
    0
    Quote: Igarr

    ..
    In general, the Germans are ... normal people. Only now ... they constantly want a "guide". What else will come across?


    We also want to have a worthy guide, defending the interests of the indigenous population of the country.
  27. pinecone
    pinecone 21 June 2013 07: 21
    0
    Quote: Igarr

    ..
    In general, the Germans are ... normal people. Only now ... they constantly want a "guide". What else will come across?


    We also want to have a worthy guide, defending the interests of the indigenous population of the country.
  28. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 21 June 2013 19: 21
    +1
    I talked a lot with the Germans. GDR-ovskie sometimes speak good Russian. I drank more than one liter of vodka with them, but there was always a feeling of their "castration". They were so driven into the idea that they are only to blame for being born Germans that sometimes they feel sorry for them. It is not easy to stir them up on military conversations. Apparently they are used to the fact that all conversations on this topic end with the theme of World War II. And for them from this topic - instantly complexes work. Healthy men, and as soon as the conversation begins about the war, they become like frightened schoolchildren who will now be beaten.
    Therefore, when I want to bother with them on militaristic topics, I usually translate the conversation on the topic of the Huno-German alliance or on the army of some thread in China.
    They also do not like the theme of the Jews. Again popping up complexes. Although there was one acquaintance who was drunk at first with us, the Kazakhs, cautiously interested in how the Kazakhs relate to them (he stressed that we are muslim). And when I realized that the Kazakhs were drunk to Jews, I began to frankly say that the Jews got it (or rather, not the Jews themselves, but the Holocaust theme, which they constantly remind them of in Germany). But then he himself regretted that he had said this, because drunk Kazakhs began to tell him that the nefig was to support Hitler and other blah blah blah. In short, they bumped him, already cringed.
    Honestly, the nation is not bad in communication, but they are too muddy. But where the Germans willingly chatter is about service in the GDR army. In general, I noticed that the Aussies are very prone to nostalgia for socialist Germany. As I understand it, the roots of this phenomenon are in the fact that the GDR-sheep perceived themselves as "correct Germans" who had nothing to do with fascism (well, or completely paid for its crimes). And having become FRG-schnicks, they felt themselves again involved in Nazism and the Holocaust. Well, they just miss some of the socialist realities, just like Soviet citizens.
  29. Alf
    Alf 22 June 2013 15: 43
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    Let Mr. Minister of Defense of Germany arrange a stool for work. The same experience of reforming the hoo what. It will be possible to bet how long the Bundeswehr will last. They will buy Italian (the best in the world!) Tanks and armored personnel carriers, they will buy French unarmed helicopter carriers and will then think what to do next. Yes, I’m afraid the German budget of theft will not stand up, oh, to blame, the development of money by heart.
  30. Alf
    Alf 22 June 2013 15: 45
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    Quote: Marek Rozny
    that the Aussies are strongly nostalgic for socialist Germany. As I understand it, the roots of this phenomenon are in the fact that the GDR-sheep perceived themselves as "correct Germans" who had nothing to do with fascism (well, or completely paid for its crimes). And having become FRG-schnicks, they felt themselves again involved in Nazism and the Holocaust. Well, they just miss some socialist realities, like Soviet citizens.

    This is not the case, but the fact that the West Germans treat the East, as Untermensch.