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Su-24 will equip the sighting and navigation complex Hephaestus

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At the Shagol airbase, located in the Chelyabinsk region in the Central Military District, the work on installing Su-24М specialized computing subsystems SVP-24 Gefest on the front bombers is being completed, the press service of the Central Military District reports. It is reported that until the end of this year, all district bombers will be equipped with SVP-24. This subsystem combines instruments and means of aiming, navigation and control. The use of the complex "Gefest" seriously increases the ability of crews of bombers to search for and hit the target, aiming and delivering air strikes, including when visibility is limited in adverse weather conditions.


The SVP-24 Hephaestus system expands the range of tactics available to pilots when searching for a target, reaching a target, aiming and delivering air strikes. The use of a new sighting and navigation system allows bombing from a free maneuver, without entering the zone of destruction of the means of enemy object defense. According to the experts of the 2 th command of the Air Force and Air Defense, during the combat use of SVP-24, Gefest confirmed all the declared parameters - more than 3 times it was possible to increase the accuracy of Su-24М air strikes, as well as the reliability of the sighting and navigation complex. Significantly managed to increase the timing of daily combat attack.

Su-24 currently continues to be the basis of the front-line bomber aviation countries. Su-24 or T-6 product (according to NATO codification Fencer - fencer) is a Soviet / Russian front-line bomber with a variable sweep wing. The aircraft is designed to carry out missile and bomb strikes in difficult and simple weather conditions, at night and in the afternoon, including at low altitudes with targeted destruction of targets both on land and at sea.

Su-24 will equip the sighting and navigation complex Hephaestus

As of 2011 year, the average age of the Russian Su-24 bombers that were in service with the Air Force was 25-27 years. Initially, around 60-70% of the fleet of these aircraft was planned to be replaced by modern Su-34, and the remaining aircraft to be upgraded to Su-24М2. However, it was decided to abandon the M2 variant. As of 2012 year, the Russian Air Force was armed with the X-NUMX bomber Su-124M. The regiment Su-24M, stationed at Shagol airbase, will be equipped with the SVS-24 "Hephaestus" system until the end of 24.

It is known that in the 2009 year after the final evaluation of the combat use of the upgraded versions of the Su-24M during the Five-Day War, the Russian Defense Ministry decided to abandon the further modernization of the existing Su-24М front bombers according to the Su-24М2 version proposed by Sukhoi (OKR "Gusar") ") And chose to upgrade the Su-24M according to the option proposed by ZAO Gefest and T.

Currently, the Su-24M aircraft upgraded under this project are in service with the 3-s military districts of the country - the Western, Central and Southern. At the same time, the Su-24M aircraft are upgraded according to the variant proposed by Gefest and T, CJSC, both in the ranks and at the aircraft repair enterprises. Over time, all existing Su-24M aircraft will receive a new sighting and navigation system SVN-24 "Hephaestus".

At the same time, it is worth noting that initially the representatives of the Russian Air Force were rather cool towards the developments of the company Hephaestus and T. But in 1999, the Algerian Air Force showed interest in this modernization program. Under the order of this country, Su-24M was tested, equipped with an incomplete complex Hephaestus SVP-24, since here the main contractor was the developer of the bomber. The results of the tests fully satisfied the African Air Force and, starting with 2001, the operation of the modified Su-24MK bombers began in Algeria. In this case, the Algerian Air Force received bombers with a new version of software, therefore, the operation of the aircraft was accompanied by representatives of the creator of the SVP-24.


Against this background, several aircraft were also upgraded for the Russian Air Force. In 2004-2005, these machines proved to be excellent during the large military exercises of the CIS countries called “Frontier”. The Russian Air Force conducted a comprehensive analysis of the Su-24M bomber, equipped with a new sighting and navigation system, in trial operation and in the same year recommended equipment for the SVP-24 to be accepted for supply to the country's air force. but история with Su-24M "Hephaestus" was somewhat delayed. Everything was finally resolved only in October 2008, when the SVP-24 system was officially adopted by the Russian Armed Forces.

The use of the complex SVP-24 allows to reduce the cost of aviation complexes while simultaneously increasing their efficiency, which is possible due to the “unified technology”: building onboard systems on a unified element base and on a single principle. At the same time, during the modernization of the Su-24M, the appearance of the car and the equipment of the cockpit does not change. Replace only subject sighting and navigation complex. Moreover, the installation of new units, which have a smaller dimension, is carried out in the same seats and connectors, which allows for the refinement of the bombers directly in the front-line units by technical and operational services.

Installation on the aircraft of the new complex SVP-24 can significantly improve the accuracy of bombing land targets, even in fairly difficult weather conditions. This system is specially created for the integration of guided munitions with satellite guidance and consists of a ground-based automated training complex and control of flight missions and an on-board equipment complex, which are interconnected by a single special software. At the same time, complex information processing was implemented in the SVP-24 complex, taking into account a significant number of factors affecting the accuracy of combat use and navigation of the bomber, especially during maneuvering.


The complex SVP-24, which was put into service in 2008, is now being mass-produced. This system is designed to use all existing, as well as a promising nomenclature of weapons, including controlled ones. The uniqueness of the system lies in the fact that it can be modified for use with various types of carriers - not only combat aircraft, but also helicopters. The SVP-24 “Hephaestus” complex can be installed on MiG-27, Su-24М, Tu-22М3, combat training L-39, as well as attack helicopters Ka-50 and Ka-52.

Gradually, new bombers equipped with this system enter the combat units. At the same time, the responses of combat pilots about the new aiming and navigation complex are rather unequivocal: “into battle only at Hephaestus”. The use of SVP-24 allows to achieve accuracy of bombing with conventional free-fall bombs comparable to CAB. And if we take into account the reliability factor of armaments, then the probability of hitting enemy Su-24M objects with SVP-24 ordinary bombs is even higher than when using adjustable bombs or SD, although the bomber can use all types of high-precision weapons - all the same CAB and guided air-to-surface missiles.

The modernization of the Su-24M front-line bomber in the Su-24M with SVP-24 is a very good example of an integrated approach to the problem. Compared to many other aircraft modernization options, the refinement of GEFEST and T costs very little, but as a result, the military get an aircraft that is able to destroy targets with conventional bombs with an accuracy not available to all modern CAB. In this case, the bomber integrates into the “digital battlefield”, and the diagnostics of all on-board systems of the vehicle is conducted “as-is”. A huge number of pluses, and there are practically no minuses. At the same time, the work on the refinement of other Russian airplanes somehow stalled. Since the modernization of the Tu-22М3 company CJSC "GEFEST and T" produced at its own expense. The plane proved itself very well, but the work on the modernization of the machines is delayed, and this is at a penny cost and speed of work. Perhaps, for the simple reason that the development of budget funds is too delaying, and for modernization according to the program of JSC GEFEST and T, not such large sums are required.

Information sources:
-http: //www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/05/16/255050.html
-http: //www.aviaport.ru/news/2012/05/05/234003.html
-http: //airspot.ru/news/voennaja-aviacija/modernizirovannye-su-24m-quot-gefest-quot-nahodyatsya-na-vooruzhenii-chastey-vvs-treh-voennyh-okrugov
-http: //www.modernarmy.ru/article/202
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 May 2013 07: 33
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    Pilots mastering the new sight only respond positively, but if the flyers themselves say "good", then it is so. It is necessary to implement Hephaestus on a full-fledged basis.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 22 May 2013 10: 00
      +7
      And it pleases !
      1. elmir15
        elmir15 22 May 2013 17: 06
        +2
        Cool looks SU-24 for its one-year-old !!! Video in the topic:
        1. VAF
          VAF 22 May 2013 18: 05
          +6
          Quote: elmir15
          Video topic:


          I beg your pardon. But in "what topic" and "what video"?
          1. An ordinary Su-24M, no Hephaestus and ..2 does not smell close "on the plot shown.

          2. Ordinary KAB-500 OD.



          3. What does Hephaestus have to do with it?

          It is clear that the TV leading the drum where Hephaestus is installed on the plane. to the bomb. to her car .....

          But you are not a TV presenter? wassat I mean by development? wink

          And I also wanted to ask ... what exactly is the "coolness of the Su-24 for its years"? So, purely for educational purposes ...

          Or is it from the series "Give Youth"? I went to Lamborghini ... a cool car ??? wassat
          1. elmir15
            elmir15 22 May 2013 20: 49
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            What does Hephaestus have to do with it?

            The topic of the article coincides with the video.
            Quote: vaf
            It is clear that the TV leading the drum where Hephaestus is installed on the plane. to the bomb. to her car .....

            But you are not a TV presenter? I mean by development?

            But in this video, not only the leading commentator speaks, but the personnel pilot gives the conclusion and evaluates the complex very efficiently, I think no one doubts the competence of the military professional. wink
            Quote: vaf
            And I also wanted to ask ... what exactly is the "coolness of the Su-24 for its years"? So, purely for educational purposes ..

            Well, my knowledge in the field of aviation, can not be compared with yours. yes My superficial knowledge is amateurish, so I learn more from you. I enrich myself with knowledge. hi And about the coolness of the SU-24, I just liked the plane, as well as other aircraft, especially the Mig 31 impresses with its capabilities, the radius of interception and much more. wink
            1. VAF
              VAF 22 May 2013 23: 44
              +4
              Quote: elmir15
              But in this video, not only the leading commentator speaks, but also the personnel pilot gives the conclusion and evaluates the complex very effectively, I think the competence of the military professional is not in doubt


              In no case did I "pin up" you and in no case questioned professionalism, only with your permission, not a pilot, but an ENGINEER, but this, in principle, is not so important, although usually SD specialists were appointed as Chief Engineers, and never by AB wink

              So, I advise you to carefully watch the video again9, discarding all the husk from the lips of the TV presenter and again carefully listening to what the Chief Engineer is still talking about wink

              And the Chief Engineer talks about the usual KAB-500OD bomb, which has been successfully used for a long time from all types of aircraft with which it is possible to carry out combat use of the KAB !!!!

              About "Hephaestus" he said no .. LETTERS !!!!

              That's what my previous koment was about!

              I understood everything about the term "coolness", I advise you to replace it with "combat capabilities"! But this is just advice!
              I wish you continued success! +! drinks
          2. Patton5
            Patton5 24 May 2013 17: 33
            -3
            Yes, you sir boor! To take just like that to offend a woman is probably not stupid. Do you think that the news anchor must know everything about what she reads from the prompter?
    2. VAF
      VAF 22 May 2013 11: 48
      +9
      Quote: aszzz888
      Pilots mastering a new scope,


      The "sights" as such remained the same - Orion and Kaira!
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 22 May 2013 11: 52
        +5
        Hello! Even so, I think 24 is an old one already. Modernization to stretch another 5 - 10 years?
        1. VAF
          VAF 22 May 2013 12: 09
          15
          Quote: klimpopov
          Modernization to stretch another 5 - 10 years?


          Klim, hi! Yes, for more than 15 years at least!

          The machine, in experienced hands, is gorgeous, because all the same Hephaestus defeated Pogosyanovsky Hussar (I wrote about this last year) only PLUS!

          By the way, I put a minus article! It is the AUTHOR, not the article, because lapsosow so much that ... request

          It's like in yesterday's article about GAZ ... the former political officer "talks" about the atomic "sphere"!

          For example, never before have "pigs" and nowhere could they have noticed KABs and UABs, the author simply does not know that the bomb, after separation from the aircraft, is UNCONTROLLED and, as we said, has the shape of a "suitcase" wassat

          About "free maneuver" - utter nonsense, if you do not use KABs (and then within very reasonable limits) and UABs, that's it!

          Only cabrioring and riveting and without any rolls!
          the author is simply not familiar with the theory of ballistics of aircraft unguided munitions (or maybe he read 3's volt about bombs with a motor) wassat

          The bomb "descends" strictly in the direction of the vector W (ground speed), i.e. vector Vist + -US (which compensates for the influence of the direction and speed of the wind), that's it .... but if you try to "bungle" the type of combat turn from the target. then the bomb will just fly to where the nose of the aircraft will "look" at the time of the drop, and no rudders and motors are enough to return the bomb to the trajectory of its fall to hit the target.

          Well, and then there are a lot of "pearls"! lol
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 22 May 2013 12: 17
            +6
            Only cabrioring and riveting and without any rolls!
            the author is simply not familiar with the theory of ballistics of aircraft unguided munitions (or maybe he read 3's volt about bombs with a motor)

            By the way, too, the eye hurt. But for a long time I have not paid attention to such opuses.

            from the article
            however, as a result, the military receives an aircraft that is able to destroy targets with conventional bombs with accuracy not available to all modern KAB.

            wassat

            And if we take into account the reliability factor of weapons, then the probability of destruction of enemy Su-24M objects with SVP-24 ordinary bombs is even higher than when using corrected aerial bombs or SDs,

            wassat wassat

            . A huge number of pluses, and there are practically no minuses.

            good Hooray!
            1. VAF
              VAF 22 May 2013 12: 24
              +6
              Quote: klimpopov
              By the way, too, the eye hurt. But for a long time I have not paid attention to such opuses.


              But my friend, I'm sorry, I can’t ... because. understand yourself!

              In our time, this was not called "free maneuver", but "bombing from difficult types" and from the Su-17s with a pitching of 40-60 degrees and "bombing" over the shoulder "with an angle of 120 degrees was a normal type of BP in the IAB, which very efficiently applied "across the river"! soldier
          2. leon-iv
            leon-iv 22 May 2013 12: 35
            +1
            Waf Why are you against a cast iron. The whole world bullets the Papuans and does not blow a mustache. And we are worse. Yes, and even on NATO they have near-zero military air defense
            1. VAF
              VAF 22 May 2013 13: 41
              +7
              Quote: leon-iv
              Waf Why are you against a cast iron.


              Hello! +! Yes, I just have so many of them. These "pigs" of different stripes and calibers in my life "pounced" that ... I still dream of them at night wassat

              But I would also like something ... "human" wink , ak says 3-volt .... "with a motor"! fellow

              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 22 May 2013 14: 10
                +2
                By the way, what do you think our army needs JTAC or PANmi do?
                1. VAF
                  VAF 22 May 2013 14: 35
                  +4
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Does our army need a JTAC or a PANmi?


                  "Beyond the river" "Gunners" dealt with. Yudai with "Czechs" the same, but if a serious opponent, then ..... something like JTAS'a absolutely would not hurt!
                  Because our GLONASS is .... the most "glonasous" ... so far I hope!

                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 22 May 2013 14: 41
                    +2
                    Clearly, I just had a conversation with a hobby colleague over a glass of tea. He says working with the panes conveniently because they are officers. They coordinate the air raids themselves. And with JTAC amers, this is usually a sergeant after short courses. For such a real current, you need a LCC and a PC and that's enough. What do you think is it possible to make a likeness of JTAC from a sensible conscript for a year
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 22 May 2013 14: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      What do you think is it possible to make a likeness of JTAC from a sensible conscript for a year


                      I guess, yes! Well, about the PANS, because these are not just officers. and for aviation. as a rule, former pilots or navigators. or officers of the ShBU and OBU!
                      1. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 22 May 2013 14: 59
                        +2
                        Well, about the PANS, because these are not just officers. and for aviation. as a rule, former pilots or navigators. or officers of the ShBU and OBU!

                        Well, that is a given. I just did not paint it.
                        By the way, a colleague is very impressed with their level of knowledge and training. It is a pity that this piece goods for good in every baht should be like that.
                      2. VAF
                        VAF 22 May 2013 15: 06
                        +2
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        By the way, a colleague is very impressed with their level of knowledge and training


                        When I "worked" with them ..., then there were practically no "complaints" ... so .. "little things in life" are mainly by% points. especially if he is .. "high" sits, then ..... you make the approach and maneuver out of sight of the enemy, all you have to do is jump out, turn back, dive and ...... 000/000 and even go home without scratches!

                        It is not for nothing that the PANs were "hunted" by more and more forces, so these guys have tremendous RESPECT! soldier
          3. VAF
            VAF 22 May 2013 13: 53
            +4
            Quote: leon-iv
            The whole world bullets the Papuans and does not blow a mustache. And we are worse. Yes, and even on NATO they have near-zero military air defense


            Here you are very deeply mistaken, all over the world they have already "taken in" or are rapidly moving away from "simple" "iron", and on the rest ... "I put on a smart" head and "catch" wings wassat

            And here we are in this regard .. only "regular" promises in style fellow , but in fact .... "we carry" to landfills, well, and something else ... ordinary cast iron!

            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 22 May 2013 14: 07
              +1
              Here you are very deeply mistaken, all over the world they have already "taken in" or are rapidly moving away from "simple" "iron", and on the rest ... "I put on a smart" head and "catch" wings

              As practice shows, no. For the bourgeois better than us know how to count loot. And they use old cast-iron in the tail and mane. Without any whale kits, LANTIRN is already very usable. Here the video walks that the warthog and chases the guns of doomsday.
              PS By the way, you are aware of the A-10 from Europe have already flown away forever.
              1. VAF
                VAF 22 May 2013 14: 49
                +3
                Quote: leon-iv
                As practice shows, no.


                Especially for ... "practice. Which shows something, somewhere."

                The mirage is not the first freshness, before flying to Libya.

                I made it as large as possible on purpose. that he would see ... how much does a "simple iron pot" weigh!

                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 22 May 2013 15: 08
                  +1
                  that he would see ... how much does a "simple iron pot" weigh!

                  But meanwhile, even the concrete bombs fired the same service jackets.
              2. VAF
                VAF 22 May 2013 14: 57
                +4
                Quote: leon-iv
                For the bourgeois better than us know how to count loot.


                That's exactly how they can, that's why UABs are used everywhere, if only there is a reality of countering enemy air defense ... any, here's an Italian tornado .. well .. find me a "chugunok" ?????



                Well, the remnants of "our" shot down -8.08.08. with unexploded "cast iron" for ethical reasons I will not spread!
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 22 May 2013 15: 03
                  +1
                  if only there is a reality of counteraction of enemy air defense ... any, here is an Italian tornado .. well .. find me a "chugunok" ?????

                  And why should I staged photos from NATO is strictly forbidden to upload their photos and tear for it is not sour until the dismissal.
                  Now think of the Taliban with the donkey JIDAM chtol throw? And among the Taliban, the best air defense system is the DShK. Well, the point is to fence the garden.
                  Well, the remnants of "our" shot down -8.08.08. with unexploded "cast iron" for ethical reasons I will not spread!

                  I saw them. In general, aviation in 888 is a litso hand. Our DRLoshnikov then tore as gophers and replaced the commander. But the day does not pass over the cottage A-50 somewhere constantly fly away.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 22 May 2013 15: 15
                    +5
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    Why do I need staged photos


                    And where did you see the production ??? This photo is from the series ... "spotting-podzaborink", taken because of a thorn off the track near the airbase during real takeoffs to the DB!

                    Quote: leon-iv
                    Now think of the Taliban with the donkey JIDAM chtol throw? And among the Taliban, the best air defense system is the DShK.


                    It would be just wonderful if even a simple KAB, and so you have to go down and climb into the gorge, but there is just the DShK and the "dum-dum" guns from which by 1983 the spirits learned to shoot so that they did not just fall into the plane, and in the lantern and the pilot's head, and this is at a speed of 500-650 km / h.
                    And what is the work of DShK I know in my own .. "skin" ... pleasant. I will report to you, very little!

                    Well, the plane + the pilot or the crew ... "costs" (so to speak) much more than the KAB or any guided munition!

                    This is IMHO! (I take an example from you drinks )
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 22 May 2013 15: 22
                      +5
                      Hi Seryoga! this is leon, you won’t prove a damn thing to him, I argued with him once about BMD 3, so he proved to me that a warrior in the next 10 years is not expected and BMD 3 we do not need. The specialist is still one in all areas of the military.
                      As a rule, a person who is special in everything, an ignoramus in everything !!!
                    2. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 22 May 2013 15: 28
                      0
                      Well, since I’m an ignoramus, do you specify any real conflicts that are possible?
                      And after reading your comments yesterday at the nuclear power plant in general fell into sadness and pichal.
                    3. VAF
                      VAF 22 May 2013 15: 47
                      +3
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      And after reading your comments yesterday at the nuclear power plant in general fell into sadness and pichal.


                      And why in "sadness and pichal"? Normal comments, but from the author of this article, with "highly specialized political education" and ... n about NPP belay I generally ... fell into a stupor! wassat
                    4. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 22 May 2013 15: 56
                      +1
                      And why in "sadness and pichal"?

                      I do not like poiltota. Climbing from all the cracks and every cook knows ....
                      at belay nuclear power plant, I generally ... fell into a stupor!

                      Well, I heard a ring there but don’t know where he is.
                      There, a long topic should be started with the extraction and processing of uranium.
                      There, the incident turned out to be a clear betrayal of the MOTHERLAND in the form of HEU KNOW turned out a rake for amers. Our enrichment did not bend, but reached the best level in the world + got extremely useful business contacts from those who mine uranium. Now the asashai ball is over and here ....
                      Well, this is the topic of more than one article. I hope it will be written by a person who understands this.
                    5. VAF
                      VAF 22 May 2013 16: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      I hope it will be written by a person who understands this.


                      I read all the comments with great interest, learned a lot for myself, but only from comments! +! drinks
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 22 May 2013 16: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: vaf
                    I generally ... fell into a stupor

                    rather in a corkscrew wassat Continuous plagiarism from base Sait, and write that we have 44 carriers laughing
                  3. VAF
                    VAF 22 May 2013 16: 37
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    rather in a corkscrew


                    Sasha, in our time, already in the 2nd year of the "school" they received export and introductory ones for a spin, so with this case ... no problem! Even with a flat one, even with an inverted one, the main thing is that there would be enough height, well, the type of aircraft .. respectively!
                    this is news as a holiday: for the first time. by yourself. cadet flew to the Yak-130 .....
                    I go nuts ... in our circles they have already given him a nickname .. "our Russian Gagarin"!

                    And according to the article ... it is precisely a stupor, because and I wanted to get up and report, so precisely. Mr. Yesaul, all the works of V.I. Lenin are outlined. notebook .. provide!
                  4. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 22 May 2013 16: 46
                    0
                    this is news as a holiday: for the first time. by yourself. cadet flew to the Yak-130 .....

                    and what is bad about this news?
                    For me, its media will show better than the fact that some nito star has been dumbfounded with drugs and died in a golden bath.
                    The VAF is just you are a person of a different information generation. This is not a rebuke, it is a statement of fact. My children are different and your grandchildren too.
                  5. VAF
                    VAF 22 May 2013 17: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    For me, its media will show better than the fact that some nito star has been dumbfounded with drugs and died in a golden bath.


                    Yes, this is understandable, but ... how she is presented ..... as an achievement of that. what should be ordinary!

                    It’s clear. When they fly into space. even understandable when the new deck sits down, because deck pilots we have fewer astronauts, well then .... ....

                    that we will agree to the point that fellow a whole cadet passed exams and entered the only school. when the competition is 2 people for 2 places wassat

                    I don’t know .. maybe now the information is different. But most likely the methods of its submission, but here are my children. The grandson is too early. perceive her almost exactly like me!
                  6. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 22 May 2013 17: 26
                    0
                    how she herself is presented ..... as an achievement of that. what should be ordinary!

                    alas, this is the reality of the media. And it should not be ordinary. There should be a beautiful report on how the cadet sat down and told what a good plane he likes studying for a pilot.
                    but most likely methods of filing it

                    Its quantity and the time of its relevance but this is another very long conversation
                    perceive her almost exactly like me!

                    Duc is for those who are in the subject and for 90% of the population? They don’t distinguish between planes, but they call BMP tanks.
              3. TSOOBER
                TSOOBER 22 May 2013 22: 55
                +2
                this is news as a holiday: for the first time. by yourself. cadet flew to the Yak-130 .....
                I go nuts ... in our circles they have already given him a nickname .. "our Russian Gagarin"!
                this is news + fellow
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 May 2013 16: 21
          +2
          Quote: leon-iv
          Well, since I’m an ignoramus, do you specify any real conflicts that are possible?

          But you yourself think that everything is normal or there can be no major conflict. Everyone is talking about the possibility of a major conflict in the south of the borders, but you don’t notice.
          Quote: leon-iv
          And after reading your comments yesterday at the nuclear power plant in general fell into sadness and pichal.

          And what is wrong there?
        3. leon-iv
          leon-iv 22 May 2013 16: 26
          0
          and there can be no major conflict.

          there is no such thing in military doctrine
          is.
          armed conflict
          local war
          regional war
          large-scale war
          So far, there are prerequisites only for armed conflicts in the SA. No more. And the division of Iran. But it will most likely be after the 20th year.
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 May 2013 16: 42
          +1
          Quote: leon-iv
          So far, there are prerequisites only for armed conflicts in the SA. No more.

          To say so, you need to work, at least in the General Staff, everything else is a personal opinion and no more !!!
          So what's wrong with the topic of nuclear power plants ???
  2. leon-iv
    leon-iv 22 May 2013 15: 27
    +1
    And where did you see the production ??? This photo is from the series ... "spotting-podzaborink", taken because of a thorn off the track near the airbase during real takeoffs to the DB!

    As they say for what I bought.
    Well, the plane + the pilot or the crew ... "costs" (so to speak) much more than the KAB or any guided munition!

    This is clear. But here are other numbers. How many planes / pilots will be shot down for the number of sorties / price of these whales. And they don’t climb on the PMV as our pilots got off from 2-3 km from the surface and are free. Lantrin makes this easy.
    And often the request goes like this
    - somewhere on a hill they shoot at us. Need air support. If there is a LCC then highlight if there is no aviation bombed and all. They do not fight there like we do. And the results are obvious what are the successes of amers in Afghanistan.
    Threat KMP and SV are not very good about the Air Force.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 22 May 2013 20: 52
    +1
    Quote: vaf
    That's exactly how they can, that's why UABs are used everywhere, if only there is a reality of countering enemy air defense ... any, here's an Italian tornado .. well .. find me a "chugunok" ?????

    In Mali, the French actively threw cast-iron with the Mirage F-1. If the enemy does not have air defense, why waste expensive UABs?
    Although in general I am only for UAB smile
    1. VAF
      VAF 23 May 2013 00: 01
      +3
      Quote: Odyssey
      In Mali, the French actively threw cast-iron with the Mirage F-1


      Hail Odysseus! I do not dispute ... "threw" their 500 pound Mk.82, because. Naturally, they are stupidly chasing a donkey or a car with a UAB, but we have a conversation for another .. but that would destroy the object and not get under opposition from the air defense!

      Here are a couple of pictures, with normal, (smart) bombs, from the night flights of Mirages and Rafales!



      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 23 May 2013 19: 30
        +1
        Quote: vaf

        Hail Odysseus! I do not dispute ... "threw" their 500 pound Mk.82, because. Naturally, they are stupidly chasing a donkey or a car with a UAB, but we have a conversation for another .. but that would destroy the object and not get under opposition from the air defense!

        Mutually drinks That would not get under air defense, of course, we need a PSA, who would argue!
        But they are expensive dear infections!
  • Agent.
    Agent. 22 May 2013 14: 23
    0
    What is nothing about the Su-25? Strange, I thought this was our main attack aircraft.
    1. VAF
      VAF 22 May 2013 15: 01
      +2
      Quote: Agent.
      What is nothing about the Su-25? Strange, I thought this was our main attack aircraft.


      Not the main, but ONLY, this time! In general .. have you ever seen this plane at least once?
      So where are you going to "shove" "Hephaestus" into it? And the fact that you also need to work with him not in the course?
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 22 May 2013 15: 05
        +1
        By the way, you saw in the report of the Air Force Commander in Chief about work on a new attack aircraft. How would you like to see him?
        Threat and whether it is necessary to keep in the future such highly specialized vehicles as Interceptors and Attack aircraft, or to follow the path of amers and sculpt a station wagon?
        1. VAF
          VAF 22 May 2013 15: 39
          +3
          Quote: leon-iv
          By the way, you saw in the report of the Air Force Commander in Chief about work on a new attack aircraft.


          I read how ... recourse

          Quote: leon-iv
          How would you like to see him?


          Yesterday we discussed this question ... why reinvent the wheel. when it can simply be "modified and improved", and the base is there ... a long time ago, the Su-25TM and "minced meat" to be made like on the Scorpio. At least!



          Quote: leon-iv
          and whether it is necessary to keep in the future such highly specialized machines as Interceptors and Attack aircraft, or to follow the path of amers and sculpt a station wagon?


          I think. that only specialized aviation. sharpened for specific tasks. All "multifunctionality" is all from the "evil" and it turns out ... 2 wanted the best, but got ... as always "!
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 22 May 2013 15: 52
            +1
            I read how ...

            Yeah more questions than answers.
            and the base is ... a long time ago, the Su-25TM and "minced meat" to do as, on the Scorpion. At least!

            Well, in general, yes Increase the power supply ratio to create a new radar, such a spear 2,0, or do you think you need an integrated radar
            Another question Single or double
            All "multifunctionality" is all from the "evil" and it turns out ... 2 wanted the best, but got ... as always "!

            Og, I agree with you, and all the station wagons ended at the level of Su-30ABVGDE in the form of an IBA (which I really hope will be revived)
            1. VAF
              VAF 22 May 2013 16: 43
              +1
              Quote: leon-iv
              Well, in general, yes Increase the power supply ratio to create a new radar, such a spear 2,0, or do you think you need an integrated radar


              Well, also the thrust-to-weight ratio, the radar would be desirable, of course, built-in, but .. where to "shove" it? After all, and so the whole nose is "clogged" - Maple, DISS, RV, ARC, R / s .. there is no place at all .. just a container, well, or change the maple to OPES, so there is still no place left.
              For me it’s better all the same double ... it’s very difficult for one to work at low altitude in SMU and also for a visually invisible target.
              Here, the question immediately rests on Range.
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 22 May 2013 18: 22
                +1
                Here, the question immediately rests on Range.

                how much do you think the range will decrease?
              2. VAF
                VAF 22 May 2013 18: 28
                +3
                Quote: leon-iv
                how much do you think the range will decrease?


                It will not decrease, but not INCREASED, this is the worst! request
        2. Odysseus
          Odysseus 22 May 2013 21: 03
          +1
          Quote: vaf
          I think. that only specialized aviation. sharpened for specific tasks. All "multifunctionality" is all from the "evil" and it turns out ... 2 wanted the best, but got ... as always "!

          Academically arguing, you are probably right ....
          But almost specialized cars are too expensive.
          Even the United States and China switched to multi-purpose aircraft. Actually the last specialized aircraft was the Raptor ....
          Well, the Chinese are still continuing small-scale production of the old JH-7A
  • OTAKE
    OTAKE 7 June 2013 17: 02
    +1
    Very entertaining device, then
  • 120352
    120352 22 May 2013 07: 34
    -5
    Or maybe it's easier under the press? I am a pensioner, and he is even older.
    1. Siberian German
      Siberian German 22 May 2013 08: 05
      0
      yes no, it is urgent to raise the price 10-20 times and nothing needs to be written off; everything will be modernized itself and will fly
    2. VAF
      VAF 22 May 2013 11: 57
      +8
      Quote: 120352
      Or maybe it's easier under the press?


      And what about fighting? Exactly to Fight, not .. "to pretend" presence!

      For today, only the Su-24 and Su-34 can actually carry out the tasks of destroying the forces and means of the present probable enemy!

      Everything else is ours, only in the afternoon, in PMU and VISUALLY !!!
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 22 May 2013 11: 58
        +4
        Absolutely agree! ++++
      2. Agent.
        Agent. 22 May 2013 14: 28
        0
        Su25 "Rook" is worse than Su24 ??
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 22 May 2013 14: 29
          +2
          hitting the Su-25 Su-24 attack aircraft Front bomber
        2. VAF
          VAF 22 May 2013 15: 51
          +1
          Quote: Agent.
          Su25 "Rook" is worse than Su24 ??


          Incorrect question! It's like asking the Su-25 worse than the Su-35 wink
    3. klimpopov
      klimpopov 22 May 2013 11: 59
      +3
      Guided by your principle, we will have nothing left. Mmm ... Tu 95 is also under the press? He is even older. Yes and Mi - 8 there too. I do not agree with you. But MO apparently according to.
  • Starlifter
    Starlifter 22 May 2013 08: 00
    +4
    This is too impractical. 120 aircraft in flight condition that can still be fought. If brought to a more modern state
  • Dima190579
    Dima190579 22 May 2013 08: 15
    0
    Hephaestus is a good thing. It will save money on precision weapons (an ordinary bomb is probably cheaper.
    1. VAF
      VAF 22 May 2013 12: 12
      +7
      Quote: Dima190579
      It will save money on precision weapons (an ordinary bomb is probably cheaper.


      That's why, because of = such a savings here, EVERYONE is throwing us only at the Installation Angle, but according to the 3-serif method, and only when they see the target!

      Above already wrote everything about this! so you are ... not quite right!
  • haralaan
    haralaan 22 May 2013 08: 59
    +4
    While there are no new generation bombers, it is possible to fly on the old modernized ones.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 22 May 2013 09: 00
    +4
    Another example of wishful thinking. It is impossible to achieve a CEP similar to what is achieved on the UAB with free-fall bombs, and even more so "without entering the zone of destruction of enemy air defense facilities", which is at least 15 km. As I understand it, Hephaestus is only a modernization of the PrNK in the field of navigation using GLONASS or JPS and smaller and more accurate calculators. The military simply understands that they will not get anything better from the military-industrial complex, nothing similar to the same JDAM, so they take what they have ...
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 22 May 2013 11: 50
      +1
      As the general- said at the presentation. Vladimir Korenkov, director of the Bazalt State Research and Production Enterprise, the company is currently undergoing full-scale development of a special unified set of planning and correction modules (MPC) for the retrofitting of free-falling aircraft bombs - high-explosive bombs and RBC. Depending on the task at hand, the refinement will consist of “hanging” one or several modules on the bomb body, including folding wings, control units, navigation and satellite correction. With such kits it will be possible to equip both the free-falling ABSP available in the arsenal of the Air Force and all new ones. The program will improve the accuracy and functionality of free-falling bombs and, depending on the completeness of the configuration, get, in fact, high-precision weapons used from low altitudes outside the area of ​​operation of object air defense.

      A similar approach to the modernization of air bombs is already used in the United States, where under the JDAM program

      The news of 2009 of the year (if not 2008). The question is, is this left at the level of good intentions or is it entering the troops?
      1. VAF
        VAF 22 May 2013 12: 27
        +2
        Quote: Greyfox
        . The question is, is this left at the level of good intentions or is it entering the troops?


        The answer is, the troops did not hear, and even more so ... did not see, though these fellow "Projects" read! +! lol
    2. VAF
      VAF 22 May 2013 12: 19
      +3
      Quote: Nayhas
      Another example of wishful thinking.


      I absolutely agree with you, +! And it is UAB, not KAB, because. The KAB can "correct" its position on the ballistic trajectory on the axis longitudinally in the direction of the carrier-target and no more.

      Quote: Nayhas
      As I understand Hephaestus, it’s only a modernization of the PrNK in the field of navigation using GLONASS or DPS and smaller and more accurate calculators.


      In principle, yes, but not quite, because. Front-line bombers have been "tied" to the MIS all their lives, which, if well, "counts". then everything is lux, and if it "failed", then ... "pipe"!
      In Hephaestus, everything is based on laser gyroscopes, so the accuracy of the formation of the aiming mode is very high, + there is a possibility of correcting the complex by GPS, since all these "corrections" for RLO, RSBN, this is all only in peacetime and at medium and high altitudes!
      Well, then you ... everything is right! drinks
  • bones
    bones 22 May 2013 09: 26
    +3
    mean in Algeria since 2001? And we have just moved. Ahrenet can.
    1. Felix2012
      Felix2012 22 May 2013 10: 52
      +1
      Africans are generally very correct and actively modify our equipment, because how do they fight on it ...
    2. VAF
      VAF 22 May 2013 13: 34
      +5
      Quote: bones
      And we have just moved. Ahrenet can.


      Why "only" and "crap"? Normal practice of "Russian managers" of timeliness!
      earlier "Poghosyanovsky Hussar won", by the way here the author gave another "splash" .... we don't have such a number of hefest, it's all 52 Hussars, that is. M2.

      And the most "unpleasant" thing. that the Algerian MK can freely operate with 31 missiles, but the Hussar is NOT !!!

      And what to be surprised, because you know very well how much, when and to whom we delivered and deliver the Su-30MK (M, A, I) and Su-30S (SK, SKM) and Su-30MK, 2,2V, V2 recourse

      And how much do we have ourselves crying

      The most IMPORTANT visual difference between the Su-24M and the Su-24M "Hephaestus and T"!

  • Tarpon
    Tarpon 22 May 2013 09: 38
    +1
    So they will still serve the Su-24M!
    1. VAF
      VAF 22 May 2013 14: 11
      +2
      Quote: Tarpon
      So they will still serve the Su-24M!


      So the "simple" T-6s are still flying among the sailors in the Gvardeyskoye ... the truth is, the failures are already "sea" and many are already "standing" .. but they cope with their tasks! +! soldier



      1. black_eagle
        black_eagle 22 May 2013 17: 56
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        So the "simple" T-6s still fly among the sailors in the Guards

        For a long time, the question arises, why "sailors" always write off all the trash?
        1. VAF
          VAF 22 May 2013 18: 33
          +2
          Quote: black_eagle
          why "sailors" always write off all the trash?


          Well, not quite always, but so .. the guys from Gvardeyskoye are just stupid .. "unlucky" when they were going to switch to M-ken EBN "fucked up" the Union. Well, further..policy with the Ukrainian authorities.
          And so they continue to fly on the old T-shkahs. but it seems that they have finally agreed and will receive M-ki. most likely Voronezh or Morozov.
          1. black_eagle
            black_eagle 22 May 2013 19: 01
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            will receive M-ki. most likely Voronezh or Morozov

            Again, they will be written off from other bases, that is, they will not be able to see absolutely new technology, my navigator is in Kache, he says that they will never have anything new, after all, the sea is not our element ...
  • King
    King 22 May 2013 09: 46
    +1
    Good car, it will last a long time. just wonder what potential in modernization was laid by designers in the USSR
  • Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 22 May 2013 10: 02
    +1
    Long live Russian weapons !!! And I propose to test the system on Gozman laughing
  • Airman
    Airman 22 May 2013 10: 10
    0
    Hephaestus uses satellite navigation, it’s good in a local war. But in a serious mess, it is planned to destroy navigation satellites, and then all this equipment becomes a pile of scrap metal.
  • Felix2012
    Felix2012 22 May 2013 10: 51
    +2
    There was such a movie, Next. There, the son of a thief in law proposed a bunch of "penny" projects for investment in them, to which an experienced man answered him: Young man! penny projects are of no interest to anyone. There is nothing to steal from them ...
  • Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 22 May 2013 11: 51
    +1
    I myself am from Chelyabinsk. Relatives fly! Despite the constant boil in the local liberal press - and so on. On Thursdays, especially beautiful couples go low in the area of ​​my country house.
  • mihai_md2003
    mihai_md2003 22 May 2013 12: 01
    0
    "A huge number of pluses, but practically no minuses." Well, this does not happen with all due respect! The article looks like lobbying for this very direction. But if so then go ahead! But in the place of the Ministry of Defense I would conduct a comprehensive analysis and a bunch of tests. In general, it seems that an independent commission of military specialists is needed, whose decisions industrialists cannot influence. They gave the go-ahead at full speed, but no, forgive no money, their decision cannot be changed. In principle, now the military acceptance is being returned !! With the right approach, this is just what you need.
  • iulai
    iulai 22 May 2013 13: 33
    +3
    Thanks to the Algerians for showing interest in "GEFESTUS"! This once again proves the stupidity of our generals!
  • krokodil25
    krokodil25 22 May 2013 14: 07
    +1
    Interestingly, in August 8th they flew with or without hephaestus.
    1. VAF
      VAF 22 May 2013 14: 23
      +3
      Quote: krokodil25
      Interestingly, in August 8th they flew with or without hephaestus.


      Without .... simple M-ki and MR-s, and "several" M2 from Voronezh! request

      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 22 May 2013 15: 28
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        Without .... simple M-ki and MR-s, and "several" M2 from Voronezh!

        Hello, Sergey!
        As they say until the cock in one place pecks .... horseradish stir
        1. VAF
          VAF 22 May 2013 16: 01
          +2
          Quote: krokodil25
          As they say until the cock in one place pecks .... horseradish stir


          Hi Gennady! You gave the AXIOM of our Russian reality! drive and in everything just like that .... then suddenly winter came. then .. "fight" with the harvest. well, etc. etc. drinks

          Keep a picture ... I really like this link of the Belarusians, and especially .. how painted !!! good

          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 22 May 2013 16: 07
            +1
            VAF and what kind of bird on the OT from the extreme right?
            Threat often see her in the pictures.
            1. VAF
              VAF 22 May 2013 17: 07
              0
              Quote: leon-iv
              VAF and what kind of bird on the OT from the extreme right?


              Silent scene ... belay So this is the GRACH !!!! And "beyond the river" they immediately began to draw them. Well, and then it went all over the Union, WGV.

              Subsequently, bombs and all sorts of things were completed. In short .. "finalized"! drinks

              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 22 May 2013 17: 12
                +1
                Silent scene ... belay So this is Rook !!!!

                mdya I imagined rooking differently))) I remember this bird from some kind of cartoon. So I thought .....
                By the way, how did the leadership of the Air Force in the USSR relate to art on airplanes?
                1. VAF
                  VAF 22 May 2013 18: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  By the way, how did the leadership of the Air Force in the USSR relate to art on airplanes?


                  In different ways ... and how where, for example, on our own. True "across the river" behind the shark's mouth, more mermaids in the style of "Nude" painted!
                  For ten days they flew, then the "decree" came to put on the upper part of the swimsuit, well, the artists put it on! wink And the mermaids remained!
                  1. krokodil25
                    krokodil25 22 May 2013 19: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: vaf
                    more mermaids in the style of "nude" painted!

                    Like this bully
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 23 May 2013 00: 34
                      +3
                      Quote: krokodil25
                      Like this


                      No Gena., For this it was possible to "get rid of" .. to the fullest! bully

                      The Pendant's emblem was stylized. instead of the Knight shooting an arrow from a bow, a mermaid was drawn. first wanted an Amazon. but the horse was somehow ... out of place laughing

                      Here it is in the original, well .. "did" more and .. as I wrote! wink

  • Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 22 May 2013 16: 12
    0
    On the question of comparing KAB and "cast iron":

    http://pfc-joker.livejournal.com/17374.html
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 22 May 2013 18: 08
    0
    The combat capabilities of the SU-24 are not fully disclosed just for this reason. Sights, on-board electronics are traditionally things that need constant improvement and updating. This applies to other types of aircraft. And what do we see in the example of this article? Updating aircraft equipment is slowed down for unknown reasons. Why then does the Ministry of Defense exist and what is it doing?
  • suslopha
    suslopha 22 May 2013 19: 25
    0
    interesting article!
  • lucidlook
    lucidlook 22 May 2013 21: 34
    -1
    I regard this as an indirect confirmation of the assumption that the Su-34s planned for delivery will not be enough to completely replace the Su-24 fleet.