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Ukrainian mercenaries in modern wars: who needs it?

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Ukrainian mercenaries in modern wars: who needs it?



In the memory of the Ukrainian people are still fresh memories of the events, the direct participants of which were Ukrainian citizens. We are talking about the trial, which took place recently in Libya over the Ukrainians, who allegedly provided military services to the Gaddafi regime. Currently, it is not worth discussing the validity of such accusations, because the problem is that recently more and more countries in the world perceive Ukraine as an exporting country of military specialists who are able to perform any tasks assigned to them, and not for a lot of money. . That is why more and more often many people pay attention to Ukrainians only in this aspect. At the same time, many analysts are convinced that at the given time this problem is not relevant for the state. But is it really?

As you know, everything in the world tends to change. However, there remain things that are not subject to change, in particular, it is about the desire of the states for constant development, gaining independence, changing the political regime, obtaining new natural resources to strengthen their own positions on the world stage. Unfortunately, some states still use local wars and armed conflicts as a source of enrichment. It should be noted that the methods and forms of conducting military operations are changing, but they cannot do without manpower. That is why one of the most problematic aspects of warfare is issues related to the use of mercenaries. From the experience of recent years, we can say that mercenaryism has become one of the main components of the armed conflicts of our time. You don’t have to go far for evidence, just look at any issue of the world News - Almost every story about any of the local wars refers to mercenaries.

According to the same media, more than two and a half hundred mercenaries were captured during the fighting in Tripoli, and among them 19 people turned out to be Ukrainians. It is noteworthy that the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry denies such information, stating that it does not possess any information of this kind, and therefore conducts an inspection. And in statements of this kind there is nothing surprising, because in Ukraine mercenary is a criminal offense. In addition, often in the press you can see such messages, which are positioned as sensational, but in fact do not contain any valuable information.

As for the participation of Ukrainian mercenaries in the Libyan war, information about their participation appeared almost from the very beginning of the war. So, even 22 in February 2011 of the year in American sources appeared information that Ukrainian pilots piloted the Libyan MiGs, firing at the protesters, but no evidence was given to such statements. As events developed, the Ukrainian mercenaries were increasingly mentioned. So, in particular, 23 August in one of the social networks of the American journalist wrote that in one of the battles, the Libyan rebels managed to capture at least 10-11 mercenaries from Ukraine, who fought on the side of Gaddafi.

A few days later, a new mention of Ukrainian mercenaries appeared. Representatives of the Transitional National Council made a statement that about two hundred mercenaries from African countries, as well as about 15 Ukrainian mercenaries-snipers, were detained during the fighting for one of the metropolitan areas.

However, the participation of the Ukrainian mercenaries in the Libyan war was not limited. For example, in February 2012, the head of the political bureau of the National Movement for the Liberation of Azavad Mahmoud Ag Ali said that the Malian state used Ukrainian mercenaries to service and pilot military aircraft, which not only destroyed transport and settlements of civilians, but also people in the Agabo areas , Intedeni, Uzen and Tesalit. Soon this statement was sent to the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

It is worth noting the statement by the representative of the Investigative Committee of Russia V.Markin regarding the participation of Ukrainian citizens in South Ossetia in the armed conflict. And such statements are quite common, almost every year, as soon as somewhere in the world another armed conflict erupts.

But the problem lies not only in the participation of mercenaries from Ukraine. Traditionally, mercenaries are not tied to any region in the world, because they come from many states and appear in the place where the so-called employer sent them. At the same time, if earlier mercenary was connected mainly with Africa, in recent years “soldiers of fortune” have begun to meet more and more in Central America, in Asia, in the Balkans and the Caucasus, in the Pacific region. Thus, for a fee, these people take part in armed conflicts to which they have nothing to do.

It should be noted that the role of mercenarism especially increased in the 60-s of the twentieth century, after the process of decolonization. Mercenaries were attracted to the struggle for the right of self-determination of peoples who were previously colonies. In addition, they were used to combat national liberation movements and to destabilize the newly established independent governments.

With the end of the Cold War, a new category of mercenaries appeared, and their activities changed to a certain extent. At that time, the main source of conflict was the resurgence of religious and ethnic intolerance, extreme nationalism, along with the fact that ideological differences gradually weakened. Therefore, powerful states have practically ceased to take care of establishing control in the regions located in close proximity to their borders, and less attention is paid to conducting operations abroad. This was the starting point for increasing the demand for mercenary services. At the same time, the first companies appeared that were engaged in providing security and providing military assistance, selling a variety of services, in particular, hiring military specialists to participate in military combat operations.

The problem of mercenary, by the way, is of great concern to the world community. Even the resolution on the Commission on Human Rights regarding mercenarism states that the activities of mercenaries are the reason for the difficulty of the process of self-determination of peoples and contrary to international law.

Over the past two decades, the United Nations has adopted more than one hundred documents that condemn the activities of both the mercenaries themselves and those who use them. As early as 1989, the International Convention on the Suppression of the Recruitment, Financing, Training and Use of Mercenaries was adopted by the General Assembly. Similar documents were adopted by the Organization of African Unity, in particular, in 1977, the Convention on the Elimination of Mercenarism in Africa was adopted.

As for the Ukrainian legislation, there is a law in it, according to which the citizens of the country are prohibited from taking part in armed conflicts and wars for the purpose of obtaining any material gain. Violation of this law is punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of three to ten years. But not everyone takes it seriously, trying in various ways to be abroad as mercenaries. In this regard, recently the activity of private foreign military companies has attracted more and more attention. Every year the number of Ukrainian citizens who work in these companies increases.

According to the Geneva Center for the Democratic Control of Armed Forces, it is common practice to refer to private military companies as commercial enterprises offering specific services related to participation in armed conflicts and wars, including conducting military operations, strategic planning, intelligence gathering, providing operational support and logistics, as well as maintenance of military equipment.

At the same time, the majority of such companies seek to position themselves as security companies, but since security functions are carried out, as a rule, in a combat zone, it is not possible to distinguish combat functions from security ones. That is why private military companies are often associated with mercenarism.

In this situation, the position of the Ukrainian state regarding the activities of private military companies is of great concern. It is a pity, but at present there is no clear position on this issue. At the same time there are two completely opposite opinions. Some experts and analysts talk about the need to legalize the activities of such companies through the approval of such activities in national and international law. The other part says that this kind of activity is nothing more than mercenary.

Whatever it was, and one thing remains indisputable: employees of private military companies periodically take part in armed conflicts abroad. And from time to time the activities of these companies become the object of increased interest from the media. In particular, we are talking about companies such as Blackwaters, ArmorGroup, Northbridge Services Group and many others.

Thus, in particular, in April 2003, the Baroness Zion, a member of the English Parliament, sharply condemned the activities of the Northbridge Services Group in Cod d'Iduvare. As a result of this statement, the British Government expressed concern about the recruitment of British, South African, French and Ukrainian mercenaries from among former military personnel.

Indicative is the activity of the company “Blackwaters”, the characteristic features of which is a hard work style with weaponsIn some cases, unjustifiably. So, for example, in 2007, an incident occurred in Baghdad, as a result of which civilians were injured. Local authorities blamed the employees of this military company and demanded the cessation of their activities in the country. In addition, the authorities demanded that all military companies be checked for compliance with Iraqi laws. Over time, the activities of the "Blackwaters" in the country resumed, but the mercenaries were used only to perform tasks of particular importance.

At the beginning of 2011, employees of G4S (“Group 4 Securicor”), during the protection of petroleum products in the Niger Delta, engaged in an armed conflict with members of the terrorist organization “The Movement for the Liberation of the Niger Delta”. As a result, representatives of the Nigerian government stated that the employees of this company had no right to enter into armed conflicts with local residents. By their actions, the mercenaries violated the law - the Organization of African Unity Convention on the Elimination of Mercenarism in Africa.

Thus, at present, the activities of private military companies can be considered as a legal way to find a job in “hot spots”. However, in reality there is no legal component here. Many who decide to work as a mercenary, as a rule, sign an agreement on formal employment, which spells out social guarantees in unforeseen cases, after receiving injuries and so on. But in reality, these agreements do not have any legal force on the territory of Ukraine, because such companies operate outside the national legal framework.

As for the Ukrainian private military companies, which began to appear at the beginning of 2000-ies - this is, in particular, the “Muse Professional Group” and “Vega Strategic Services” - and that is not all that simple. These companies not only conduct their activities in zones of armed conflict, organizing conditions for the participation of their personnel in combat operations and creating a threat to their lives. They threaten with their activity the national interest of the state. Ukraine as a democratic country assumed certain obligations, in particular, respect for the sovereignty of other states. Therefore, the unresolved issue of mercenarism in the country can be used by other states to discredit Ukraine in the international arena.

Materials used:
http://styknews.info/novyny/ekonomika/2013/03/07/khto-zatsikavlenyi-v-garmatnomu-miasi-z-ukrainy-na-chuzhykh-viinakh
http://2000.net.ua/2000/derzhava/ekspertiza/75435
http://www.kit.com.ua/ka/index.php?id=1&id_art=915
http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1146646626
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  1. Marks
    Marks April 30 2013 07: 47 New
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    Why are they there in Libya in 2008 in Ossetia with rodents, they have time everywhere!
    1. domokl
      domokl April 30 2013 08: 46 New
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      Quote: Marks
      they were in 2008 in Ossetia with rodents, everywhere they manage
      It is simply written by a Ukrainian for Ukrainians. Mercenaries from Russia are also widely represented in the world. The truth is that recruitment occurs through Ukraine.
    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. April 30 2013 08: 56 New
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      The list of Ukrainian military men who fought on the Georgian side and shot down Russian planes or served air defense systems was previously published by Konovalyuk on behalf of the Verkhovna Rada’s commission of inquiry. Then these lists on Ukrainian sources disappeared somewhere. But something was saved:

      Moneyman Alexander Ivanovich,
      Kabanets Valery Ivanovich,
      Verbitsky Victor Timofeevich,
      Panimatka Alexander Sergeevich,
      Koptev Nikolay Nikolaevich,
      Verbitsky Yuri Ilyich,
      Tikhonov Roman Germanovich
      Ponomarenko Volodimir Valeriyovich 02.02.1981/59/522169 R. n., Misce people: p. Verbivka Balakliyskogo district Kharkivskoobl .; a month of registration: Kharkiv region, Balakli district, s. Verbivka, vul. Zhovtnev, Bud. 29.05.1997; passport: MK 2961816677, visions 08252623/26.06.2007/09.07.2007 Balakliysky RV UMVS in Kharkiv region; Identification number 22.07.2008; praciu „at the BRZ subsidiary (code 13.08.2008) - repair and maintenance of the modernization complex of the terrestrial software at the time, as well as from June 21552117, XNUMX to July XNUMX, XNUMX, and from July XNUMX, XNUMX to August XNUMX, XNUMX. "Ukroboronservis" (code XNUMX).

      Goptsiy Volodimir Petrovich 04.06.1949/8/58 born, misc. People: m. Balakliya, Kharkiv region; mіstce ​​of registration: Kharkiv region, metro station Balakliya, vul. 543463 Birch, Bud. 07.08.1997; passport: MK 1805317516, visions 08252623r. Balakliysky RV UMVS in Kharkiv region; Identification number 21.08.2007; praciuє at the BRZ subsidiary (code 07.09.2007) - repair and maintenance of the modern complex of land and road software, at the same time, from August 13.12.2007, 14.08.2008 to September 21552117, XNUMX, the basin is from December XNUMX, XNUMX to August XNUMX, XNUMX. Ukroboronservis "(code XNUMX).

      Міняйло Олександр Іванович 28.09.1963/2/33 born, місце birth: metro Zolotonosha, Cherkasy region .; mіstse of registration: Cherkasy region, metro Zolotonosha, vul. Novoselivska, Bud. 033699a, apt. 02.02.1996; passport: NS 2328117792, visions 28.01.2008r. Zolotonіsky RV UMVS of Ukraine in the Cherkasy region .; Identification number 13.08.2008; at period from 21552117r. August XNUMX, XNUMX pratsyuvav on DP "Ukroboronservis" (code XNUMX).

      Pilipchuk Dmitro Grigorovich 23.04.1962/91/14 R.N., Miscellaneous people: metro Shepetivka Khmelnitsky region .; mіstse of registration: Khmelnitsky region., metro Shepetivka, vul. K.Marxa, Bud .. 032492, apt. 16.04.1996; passport: ON 2275821253, visions XNUMXr. Shepetivsky RV UMVS of Ukraine in Khmelnitsky region .; Identification number XNUMX;

      Only, apparently, these are not mercenaries, but officials.
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan April 30 2013 09: 11 New
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        The list of Ukrainian soldiers who fought on the Georgian side and shot down Russian planes or served an air defense system was previously published by Konovalyuk on behalf of the Verkhovna Rada’s commission of inquiry.

        Are you talking about deputy Konovalyuk? Which type of lieutenant colonel?
      2. Akim
        Akim April 30 2013 09: 20 New
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        Quote: Nikolay S.
        who fought on the side of Georgia and shot down Russian planes or served air defense systems, was previously published by Konovalyuk on behalf of the commission of inquiry he leads

        I will not mean that the publication of personal data of citizens is a violation of the law. Konovalyuk is an odious politician. The train went off the rails - this is a terrorist attack. But then it turned out just negligence. But this is already politics. Logically reason. If the air defense systems were removed from combat duty, they will not be served by specialists from the repair plant. The fact that they were there, the information about it has not disappeared. Only the statement about that was removed. that they participated in the hostilities. Because in that report, "people mixed up in a bunch of horses." And they returned from a business trip in May.
      3. Aeneas
        Aeneas April 30 2013 09: 38 New
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        men under 50 years old, and militant mercenaries! Do not make me laugh. Yeah, these are the workers at the Balakliya repair plant. The fact that Ukraine delivered weapons to Georgia is no secret. Of course, it is regrettable that Russian soldiers were killed from these weapons. But still I remind you that it’s not weapons that kill, but people.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 30 2013 10: 08 New
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          Nikolai S. apparently has some kind of personal insult to the Ukrainians.
          I don’t even know what to say ... for a long time everything has been chewed up about specialists in Georgia ... what can I say? Kolya, do not write nonsense ... especially with personal data of people.
          Can you uncover your incognito on the site? Or how?
          1. Nymp
            Nymp April 30 2013 15: 43 New
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            Quote: Skavron
            Nikolai S. apparently has some kind of personal insult to the Ukrainians.
            I don’t even know what to say ... for a long time everything has been chewed up about specialists in Georgia

            I do not think so! The man said the thing! Who is "chewed up"? Ukrainians? Maybe Ukrainians such chewing snot and seems like a normal explanation, to me as a Russian such "chewing" seems like a noodle. (no need to keep Russian suckers). As for resentment against Ukrainians; - But really not at all! Angels are just long-suffering, and in a quiet knife in the back!
      4. datur
        datur April 30 2013 12: 39 New
        +4
        thank!! NADO still have to write a list of whom, and how they destroyed !! wink
      5. ed65b
        ed65b April 30 2013 12: 43 New
        +4
        The first 2 from the east from under Kharkov, I will beat the meeting.
        1. RU_PATRIOT
          RU_PATRIOT April 30 2013 22: 44 New
          -6
          Or you can rake it yourself ..
        2. Superbandera
          Superbandera 1 May 2013 00: 32 New
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          if the jaw holds
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 3 May 2013 03: 06 New
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            Quote: SuperBandera
            if the jaw holds

            Can you stand it yourself? return flow? Bendery ...
      6. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 1 May 2013 22: 40 New
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        Quote: Nikolay S.
        The list of Ukrainian soldiers who fought on the Georgian side and shot down Russian planes or served an air defense system was previously published by Konovalyuk on behalf of the Verkhovna Rada’s commission of inquiry.

        Believe Kovalyuk, do not respect yourself.
    3. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 April 30 2013 15: 58 New
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      What is not advertised the participation of immigrants from Ukraine on the side of the Federal forces in Chechnya, where they were the lion's share of personnel !!!
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan April 30 2013 16: 03 New
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        What is not advertised the participation of immigrants from Ukraine on the side of the Federal forces in Chechnya, where they were the lion's share of personnel !!!

        So then it doesn’t work out that all Ukrainians are.
        1. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 April 30 2013 16: 24 New
          +2
          What is most interesting - on this site Gaddafi is the highest deity, his soldiers are Heracles, and Ukrainian soldiers who fought for Gaddafi are the dregs of society. Who is all the same Gaddafi ??? wassat
        2. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 April 30 2013 16: 33 New
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          I'm not saying that in Chechnya, most of the officers are immigrants from Ukraine. True, there is no digging around, at that time they were already citizens of the Russian Federation.
          1. Rider
            Rider April 30 2013 19: 51 New
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            Quote: Scythian 35
            I'm not saying that in Chechnya, most of the officers are immigrants from Ukraine. True, there is no digging around, at that time they were already citizens of the Russian Federation.


            don’t say so.
            and then "
            and to the side of the Federal forces in Chechnya, where they had the lion's share of personnel !!!
            "said very loudly.

            however, Warrant Officer Shmatko, also an officer.
            1. воронов
              воронов April 30 2013 23: 23 New
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              Quote: Rider
              Warrant Officer Shmatko, also an officer.

              In the Ukrainian army, yes !!! laughing
            2. Scythian 35
              Scythian 35 1 May 2013 00: 43 New
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              I said "officers" !!! And not the drinking companion of Nazarbayev, the proportionalist Numbulaev, who, it seems, became the major general from the senior ensign, and in just a year.
              1. Rider
                Rider 1 May 2013 01: 57 New
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                Quote: Scythian 35
                I said "officers"


                no, you said stupidity.

                and with whom Nurik is thumping, it makes no difference to me.
          2. воронов
            воронов April 30 2013 23: 22 New
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            Quote: Scythian 35
            in Chechnya, most of the officers are immigrants from Ukraine.

            And Ukrainians also built Egyptian pyramids, didn’t they know?
      2. воронов
        воронов April 30 2013 23: 19 New
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        Quote: Scythian 35
        immigrants from Ukraine on the side of the Federal forces in Chechnya, where they had the lion's share of personnel !!!

        And why so little, all the personnel of the Russian federal forces in Chechnya are immigrants from Ukraine laughing , as well as some of the natives were on the side of the Chechens
        1. Moon
          Moon April 30 2013 23: 59 New
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          But still, the majority were for political reasons, especially for the Balts and Ukrainians. Since I myself am from this category, I will try to briefly describe: firstly, as a rule, this group included people who actively participated in the national movement of the late 80s - early 90s, that is, they fought against the USSR and did not want to restore it under any name, be then Federation, Commonwealth or Empire. Well, it’s more pragmatic - only, please, no offense, - they thought it advisable to help the Chechens stop your army in the Caucasus, until you had to do this in the Crimea and Donbass.
          http://true-war.clan.su/forum/26-469-1
          1. Scythian 35
            Scythian 35 1 May 2013 00: 50 New
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            No offense. Thank!!! I did not think that Ukraine is such a large geopolitical player that it can juggle Russia and the Russian army !!! Obama and Hu Jintao choke on bile with envy !!! wassat
        2. Captain
          Captain 2 May 2013 15: 13 New
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          Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
          As for Georgia, I don’t know if Ukry was there or not, but in Yugoslavia it was full of them and they fought not on our side ........

          In Georgia (as in Chechnya), volunteers from the UNA-UNSO fought against the Russian army.
  2. MG42
    MG42 April 30 2013 07: 52 New
    +5
    Wow and faces in the photo in the topic, colorful Ukrainians disguised themselves as local Aboriginal people in Africa, or they mowed as Ukrainians >>> a good tan ... now without humor >>>
    Recently, more and more states of the world perceive Ukraine as an exporting country of military specialists who are capable of fulfilling any tasks assigned to them, and for not very big money.

    if a country does not pay a decent salary to its military and constantly reduces its army and budget, redistributing it in favor of other departments, then the military is forced to work in other countries ... obviously the military doctrine of Ukraine that there is no one to fight with and the army is not particularly a priority in financing.
    1. Akim
      Akim April 30 2013 08: 00 New
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      Quote: MG42
      .obviously the military doctrine of Ukraine that there is no one to fight with

      Plus for the comment. However, there is a question: the neighbors of Ukraine in the doctrine indicated a probable adversary (not to be confused with a potential one)?
      1. MG42
        MG42 April 30 2013 08: 09 New
        +3
        Specify which neighbors of Ukraine >>>> Romania? Belarus? Russia, Poland or Hungary or maybe Turkey? Most friction is, so to speak, on the Romanian vector, Romania is a NATO member, but things have not gone further than international courts. Having abandoned nuclear weapons, Ukraine does not present a particular military threat to its neighbors ....
        1. Akim
          Akim April 30 2013 08: 19 New
          +2
          At any. Not a single state in the world (the exception is probably only the DPRK) does not designate in its doctrine a potential adversary. For this is the goal. Potential Romania now. And the Minister of Defense of Ukraine clearly said this, since we have economic disputes in the shelf and Danube basin.
          1. MG42
            MG42 April 30 2013 08: 33 New
            +4
            Here in the new edition of Ukrainian. Levochkin prescribed military doctrine
            Section 4 General Provisions
            4. Military doctrine is defensive in nature. Ukraine does not consider any state (coalition of states) as its military adversary but will recognize potential military adversary a state (a coalition of states) whose actions will contain signs of the threat of the use of military force against Ukraine.
            Lived, the military doctrine is written by the civilian head of AP Yanukovych.
            1. Old_kapitan
              Old_kapitan April 30 2013 09: 25 New
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              4. Military doctrine is defensive in nature. Ukraine does not consider a single state (a coalition of states) as its military adversary, but will recognize a state (a coalition of states) as a potential military adversary whose actions will contain signs of a threat of military force against Ukraine.
              Lived, the military doctrine is written by the civilian head of AP Yanukovych.

              And what is wrong?
              1. MG42
                MG42 April 30 2013 09: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: Old_Kapitan
                And what is wrong?

                What about Lyovochkina the first time did not understand?
                1. Akim
                  Akim April 30 2013 10: 58 New
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                  Quote: MG42
                  What about Lyovochkin the first time did not understand?

                  and military doctrine has always been developed by politicians. But the military has the task of adjusting the army to it.
                2. Old_kapitan
                  Old_kapitan April 30 2013 13: 22 New
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                  What about Lyovochkin the first time did not understand?

                  And what does Levochkin have to do with it? What is wrong with the doctrine?
                  1. Old_kapitan
                    Old_kapitan April 30 2013 15: 47 New
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                    Yes, spit on me Levochkina, explain - what is wrong in the doctrine? Where have we stepped on your eggs?
          2. Aeneas
            Aeneas April 30 2013 09: 43 New
            +1
            Romania is the enemy. This is a little ridiculous. Romanians in all wars (after the restoration of statehood) fought very poorly and were a burden to all their allies. It’s just that these Romans were somehow fabulously lucky to be defeated, but incremented by the land of unfortunate Hungary.
            1. MG42
              MG42 April 30 2013 10: 02 New
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              Quote: Aeneas
              Romania is the enemy. This is a little ridiculous.

              Maybe it’s funny (Romanians = Gypsies there were a lot in Romania myself .... I’ve seen shitty Romanians who fought in world wars, the Germans put them in the second echelon, however, like the first battle baptism of the cc division, “Galicia” was also from the second echelon .), but they are in NATO.
              With regard to litigation, part of the shelf near the Serpentine island of Romania, Ukraine seized themselves, and will be able to produce there the same gas which is so lacking.
              1. Old_kapitan
                Old_kapitan April 30 2013 15: 55 New
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                And mom didn’t teach punctuation?
                1. Old_kapitan
                  Old_kapitan April 30 2013 16: 19 New
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                  What's wrong again? See for yourself:
                  Maybe it’s funny (Romanians = Gypsies there were a lot in Romania myself .... I’ve seen shitty Romanians who fought in world wars, the Germans put them in the second echelon, however, like the first battle baptism of the cc division, “Galicia” was also from the second echelon .), but they are in NATO.
                  With regard to litigation, part of the shelf near the Serpentine island of Romania, Ukraine seized themselves, and will be able to produce there the same gas which is so lacking.
                  Found only one comma ...
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 April 30 2013 16: 29 New
                    +1
                    Old captain, did he write something wrong? Perhaps with spelling errors. But in fact, everything is correct. Romanians are shit-warriors, and they will take your island
                    1. Old_kapitan
                      Old_kapitan April 30 2013 16: 43 New
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                      Perhaps with spelling mistakes.
                      Maybe?
                      By sabzh. Romanians are shit-warriors, and they will take our island. Those. are we warriors still shit?
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 April 30 2013 16: 49 New
                        +1
                        We will not allow !!! You can even doubt it!
                      2. Day 11
                        Day 11 April 30 2013 17: 08 New
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                        In order for some unwashed gypsies to take away our brother’s territory --- !!!
                      3. I'm Russian
                        I'm Russian 1 May 2013 21: 07 New
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                        Where are the brothers then ??? !!!
                  2. воронов
                    воронов April 30 2013 23: 26 New
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                    Quote: Old_Kapitan
                    Those. are we warriors still shit?

                    Who would doubt that
                2. Kars
                  Kars April 30 2013 16: 50 New
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                  So far, the island has not yet been taken away. And the separation of the economic zone received better than the USSR wanted. The dispute is from that time.
            2. MG42
              MG42 April 30 2013 16: 53 New
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              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              And mom didn’t teach punctuation?

              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              Found only one comma

              Dear, you are not the administrator of the forum, so I make excuses about spelling, and there isn’t such a thing in the rules.
              That you bring “srach” in the comments with words like “farted”, “bastard”, “Mamontov’s dummy” - well, it’s like a kindergarten, this is enough for Ukrainian. forums are enough - that's the reluctance to simply respond to such comments. hi
              1. Old_kapitan
                Old_kapitan April 30 2013 22: 16 New
                -2
                So in the Criminal Code and UKP and AK there is no rule to write correctly. So, you give general illiteracy?
                Threat. I don’t bring anything, I just call a spade a spade. Minus further.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 April 30 2013 22: 23 New
                  +2
                  Don’t you love Russia? What avatar do you have? Probably your Zaporozhye?
  • Anat1974
    Anat1974 1 May 2013 19: 15 New
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    I agree completely. It’s good that these “unnecessary” servicemen did not go into the bulls and racketeers, as we had in the 90s. All the same, fate in the PSC is a business on the verge of a foul, and a bandit is a foul with the removal.
  • Akim
    Akim April 30 2013 07: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Marks
    in 2008 they were with rodents in Ossetia, they have time everywhere!

    Do you have public evidence or is it just the words of your officials, like Miller’s gas re-export?
    1. Denis_SF
      Denis_SF April 30 2013 08: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: Akim
      Quote: Marks
      in 2008 they were with rodents in Ossetia, they have time everywhere!

      Do you have public evidence or is it just the words of your officials, like Miller’s gas re-export?

      Is this something from the opera: "Not Caught - Not a Thief"? )
      Well, the fact that Nezalezhnaya actively supplied air defense systems, equipment, weapons, including weakening its military infrastructure, you hope you will not dispute? Accordingly, with any equipment there are specialist instructors who must teach the buyer country how to use it all, IMHO they "trained", using a living example, so to speak ..
      And even despite the “fraternal” help of the valiant rodents, our army made the proud Georgians to flee, dropping the feces.
      1. Akim
        Akim April 30 2013 08: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: Denis_SF
        Accordingly, with any equipment there are specialist instructors who must train the buyer country how to use it all,

        Those. it turns out your logic in Syria now fighting Russian experts?
        As for deliveries to Georgia, Buk-M1 air defense systems. Yes, there really were specialists who trained Georgian operators, but they left back in May 2008, which the Russian Defense Ministry received confirmation at the time. And everything else is just speculation on public opinion.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. April 30 2013 09: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          Yes, there really were specialists who trained Georgian operators, but they left back in May 2008, which the Russian Defense Ministry received confirmation at the time.

          Here is the spec. from the Striy regiment of air defense, which directly shot down Russian planes and received an apartment for this from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:
          1. Aeneas
            Aeneas April 30 2013 09: 32 New
            0
            why are you afraid to name your surname first name middle name.
            1. Old_kapitan
              Old_kapitan April 30 2013 09: 39 New
              -4
              Here is the spec. from the Striy regiment of air defense, which directly shot down Russian planes and received an apartment for this from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:

              Will you prove authenticity? Or so, what to fart?
              1. воронов
                воронов April 30 2013 23: 40 New
                +2
                Quote: Old_Kapitan
                Or so that would fart

                Rather, now they fart at him from the SVD lobeshnik laughing
            2. Scythian 35
              Scythian 35 April 30 2013 16: 12 New
              -3
              But because the FSB staff member is secret !!!
          2. Skavron
            Skavron April 30 2013 10: 12 New
            -4
            in general, you can shoot any movie ...
          3. Akim
            Akim April 30 2013 10: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: Nikolay S.
            Here is the spec. from the Striy air defense regiment, which directly shot down Russian planes

            You can smash your video, but why? You want to believe that Ukrainian officers shot down Russian planes - this is impossible to convince. Apparently for you personally, a plane shot down by Ukrainians is less prejudiced if the Georgians themselves shot it down. This is xenophobia and I do not want to take part in it. The fact that the air defense systems left 223 air defense missile systems (the city of Stryi) is no longer an open secret.
            1. Nymp
              Nymp April 30 2013 16: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Akim
              You want to believe that Ukrainian officers shot down Russian planes - this is impossible to convince.
              A typical pretense of a naughty first-grader - THIS IS NOT ME! Anyway, not me, anyway I don’t confess! I would like to disbelieve, but too often in the political arena, the Ukrainian footsteps are replaced by spitting in the back, or even outright pug dogs. It is still the Russians have not seen the "independent telebachinya" where Russia is mixed with avnom. And after that you hear from you:
              Quote: Akim
              You want to believe that Ukrainian officers shot down Russian planes - then it’s impossible to convince

              And do not persuade, be they at least like Belarusians-brothers and no one will believe propaganda!
              1. Old_kapitan
                Old_kapitan April 30 2013 16: 06 New
                -6
                To convince a believer is only time to waste. Believe, dear, believe ...
              2. Superbandera
                Superbandera 1 May 2013 00: 48 New
                -5
                Quote: Nymp
                I would like to disbelieve, but too often in the political arena, the Ukrainian footsteps are replaced by spitting in the back, or even outright pug dogs.

                I am you, a magician to please a daraga. Sro is not expected to be gavchannya, but the most natural slaughter in one of Moscow stadiums (it’s a pity that it’s not on the Red Square) Sani of the “Russian Knight” (dumplings) Povetkin by Volodymyr Klichko
                Moreover, Klitschko Jr. will receive for this pleasure 15 million Reichsmarks from the pocket of the Russian taxpayer. And this holiday will be broadcasted on September 7 or September 14, depending on the time of the “window” on the “main” channel of Gauleiter’s blossoms RTL (a real fact by the way)
                1. I'm Russian
                  I'm Russian 1 May 2013 21: 12 New
                  -2
                  And is this all that Little Russia can be proud of?
                  1. I'm Russian
                    I'm Russian 2 May 2013 15: 52 New
                    -1
                    Are you minus? don't like the name?
            2. воронов
              воронов April 30 2013 23: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Akim
              You want to believe that Ukrainian officers shot down Russian planes

              There are documentary facts, some specific personalities have been established. Not made public so as not to frighten away the game.
              1. Akim
                Akim 1 May 2013 06: 59 New
                -1
                Quote: voronov
                There are documentary facts, some specific personalities are established.

                That's when they will be published and will scream at all angles. Or do you have an uncle in the Prosecutor General’s office and you know everything?
          4. MG42
            MG42 April 30 2013 14: 41 New
            +3
            But I read today's news >>>
            In one of the military units of the Kiev region due to careless handling, the anti-aircraft missile system was damaged 4,08 million hryvnia, the press service of the prosecutor's office of the Central region of Ukraine on compliance with the laws of the military sphere said.

            According to the agency, during the audit it was found that officials of one of the military units did not properly carry out technical inspection and maintenance of the anti-aircraft missile system, as a result of which it was disabled.

            Information on the commission of a criminal offense under Part 2 of Art. 425 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, included in the Unified Register of Pre-trial Investigations.

            http://korrespondent.net/kyiv/1554560-v-kievskoj-oblasti-iz-za-nebrezhnogo-obras

            hcheniya-vyveden-iz-stroya-zenitno-raketnyj-kompleks-stoimostyu
            1. Old_kapitan
              Old_kapitan April 30 2013 16: 09 New
              -9
              But today I read the news

              Happy?
              What then did we teach rodents, if we ourselves are so stupid?
              1. воронов
                воронов April 30 2013 23: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: Old_Kapitan
                What then did we teach rodents, if we ourselves are so stupid

                Because there you are, together with them, and ... if everything laughing
          5. воронов
            воронов April 30 2013 23: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: Nikolay S.
            Here is the spec. from the Striy regiment of air defense, which directly shot down Russian planes and received an apartment for this from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:

            The physiognomy is illuminated, now it is up to our specialists to get him out of this apartment as soon as possible
          6. Colonel RA
            Colonel RA 9 June 2013 15: 52 New
            0
            UKRAINIAN MERCURES IN BRIGHTNESS OVERCOME THE Fascists This is Rwanda, 1994
            The Ukrainian elite was enriched in such a cruel way - by killing white rich people in Africa, and taking away their villas, securities, diamonds, cars.
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            wfullscreen> </iframe>]
            <iframe width = "480" height = "360" src = "http://www.youtube.com/embed/oaFz0-5dDQU" frameborder = "0" allowfullscreen> </iframe>
        2. Denis_SF
          Denis_SF April 30 2013 10: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Akim
          And everything else is just speculation on public opinion.

          Well, yes, yes, yes, "no body - no business." Una unso in Chechnya is also just an enchanting speculation of opinions .. I hope you will not ask about the evidence and facts of this.
          1. Akim
            Akim April 30 2013 10: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Denis_SF
            Una Unso in Chechnya is also just an enchanting speculation of opinions.

            The fact that UNA-UNSO fought in Chechnya has long been a recognized fact. These are their personal views, not the state. Well, there are Ukrainians who, to put it mildly, do not like Russia. Your views are strange. When our mercenaries fought side by side in Yugoslavia or Transnistria, that’s right, and if the Ukrainian mercenaries were on the other side, the whole country is ENEMY.
            1. krokodil25
              krokodil25 April 30 2013 11: 16 New
              +6
              Quote: Akim
              and if the Ukrainian mercenaries were on the other side-the whole country is ENEMY.

              But how differently it is if in Chechnya these so-called UNA-UNSO with particular cruelty killed RUSSIAN soldiers !!! am angry
              1. Old_kapitan
                Old_kapitan April 30 2013 16: 47 New
                +2
                But how differently it is if in Chechnya these so-called UNA-UNSO with particular cruelty killed RUSSIAN soldiers !!!

                Well, so be it! TO UNA-UNSO. And not to me.
                1. yanus
                  yanus 2 May 2013 17: 39 New
                  0
                  In your country, there is an openly paramilitary nationalist organization that participates in hostilities. If you calmly talk about it, then you are not much different from them.
            2. Denis_SF
              Denis_SF April 30 2013 12: 04 New
              +1
              Your views are strange. When our mercenaries fought side by side in Yugoslavia or Transnistria, that’s right, but if the Ukrainian mercenaries were on the other side, the whole country is ENEMY ..

              Well, let’s say that Una Unso didn’t fight side by side in Yugoslavia and Transnistria with ours, they fought against a common enemy, yes, but not side by side. There, the goal was to educate young people, to give young wolf cubs to try blood if you want. Yes, and about the whole country, no one ever said that the ENEMY, and about the people. It’s you yourself taking it out of context.
              1. Old_kapitan
                Old_kapitan April 30 2013 14: 16 New
                -4
                There, the goal was to educate young people, to give young wolf cubs to try blood if you want.

                What are you doing? Was it persecuted right? Ahrenettvat ... Probably himself was an instructor?
              2. Akim
                Akim April 30 2013 14: 21 New
                -5
                Quote: Denis_SF
                Well, let’s say that Una UNSO never fought side by side in Yugoslavia and Transnistria

                God save you! What did I say that it was the UNA-UNSO fighters who supplied the Balkans with mercenaries? Or they represent all of Ukraine. Get away from them. There are many other parties and other interests. I’m even sure that the MiG-23 pilot in Libya could be a Ukrainian by birth, but a citizen of Libya. You just can’t divide everything into white and black, but this is exactly what you get in your judgments.
                1. воронов
                  воронов April 30 2013 23: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  divide everything into white and black,

                  You don't understand otherwise
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 1 May 2013 07: 01 New
                    0
                    Quote: voronov
                    You don't understand otherwise

                    To consider oneself smarter than others is the height of ignorance.
            3. Nymp
              Nymp April 30 2013 16: 05 New
              +6
              Quote: Akim
              Transnistria, our mercenaries fought side by side

              I don’t know who fought side by side there, but I know perfectly how Ukraine put an economic blockade on Pridnestrovie. And only because there the Russian-speaking population considers itself a part of the Russian people.
              1. Akim
                Akim April 30 2013 16: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: Nymp
                I don’t know who fought side by side

                Precisely what you do not know. And as in the Odessa art school barracks for refugees provided too. You watch everything from the visor of politicians. This is disgusting. You probably don’t even know how a humanitarian convoy left for Odessa at the end of August the eighth, which was collected by ordinary citizens. But this is also Ukraine and I never considered Odessa a Russian city. Unless under Catherine II.
                1. воронов
                  воронов April 30 2013 23: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  humanitarian convoy left South Ossetia at the end of August the eighth

                  Russians and organized this help
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 April 30 2013 23: 58 New
                    -1
                    What are you driving !!!
                  2. Akim
                    Akim 1 May 2013 07: 03 New
                    -5
                    Quote: voronov
                    Russians and organized this help

                    You were there? No. And I was there. And not a Russian or even a Russian!
            4. воронов
              воронов April 30 2013 23: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              if the Ukrainian mercenaries were on the other side-the whole country is ENEMY.

              It is true that you are gutar-free !!! good
              1. EVGEN78
                EVGEN78 1 May 2013 02: 24 New
                0
                Yes. With such brothers and enemies you will not wish. ((
              2. Akim
                Akim 1 May 2013 07: 05 New
                -1
                Quote: voronov
                It is true that you are gutar-free !!

                I can’t even call you brother. The tongue does not turn. I do not need such friends
            5. alexander rus.
              alexander rus. 1 May 2013 19: 19 New
              0
              IN ANY OTAR, A LASTY SHEEP WILL BE FOUND.
        3. воронов
          воронов April 30 2013 23: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          indeed there were specialists training Georgian operators, but they left back in May 2008

          Not all of your managed to hit the road, some stayed there to fertilize the earth laughing
      2. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan April 30 2013 16: 01 New
        -7
        Accordingly, with any equipment there are specialist instructors who must teach the buyer country how to use it all, IMHO they "trained", using a living example, so to speak ..
        Proof of! In addition to the cartoon Mamontov and Vyser Kolya O.
      3. воронов
        воронов April 30 2013 23: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: DenisSF
        there are specialist instructors

        These specialists from Ukraine in Chechnya were usually not taken prisoner.
      4. Quirtu
        Quirtu 22 May 2013 20: 31 New
        0
        And what, Ukraine did not have the right to sell weapons to Georgia?
    2. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan April 30 2013 09: 29 New
      -8
      He has. Kinushka Mamontova.
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan April 30 2013 14: 18 New
        -8
        What are you minus, bastard? Is it true that it hurts my eyes?
        1. Nymp
          Nymp April 30 2013 16: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: Old_Kapitan
          What are you minus, bastard? Is it true that it hurts my eyes?

          For example, I did not minus! Until I read two words in your comet; one can not be distinguished, it is so noisy, and the other is "truth." So I consider this a lie, and the truth is what you called a "little thing." I respect Mamontov, I consider him a patriot of Russia! And do not you scornfully write about that. At the same time, I respect your infringed national dignity (in the sense I understand it as a human being), but it’s not the Russians who are to blame for this, nor the Mamontov with the “kinnushka”, but your not fallow government, which lowered the country's prestige with a plinth.
          1. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan April 30 2013 16: 35 New
            +1
            For example, I did not minus!
            Kamrad, I’m not for you. Someone even minuses the remark that punctuation should be put.
            By sabzh. You know, the supply of Bukov and the work of our specialists do not infringe on my national dignity. Russia also sells weapons and sends experts. The fact that ours was shot down by Russian planes is only in the cartoon of the "patriot" of Russia and in the report of the "patriot" (the whole lieutenant colonel Konovalyuk who came from somewhere) of Ukraine.
            My national dignity was infringed when Vitya galloped off to skip the godfather Misha. I am ashamed of this.
            1. Nymp
              Nymp April 30 2013 16: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              My national dignity was infringed when Vitya galloped off to skip the godfather Misha. I am ashamed of this

              Well, I am ashamed that I did not understand your position! (Sorry) These are exactly the things that look like a knife in the back. As for the sale of Bukovs, I think the Russians are not so much offended by the sale itself (in your words there is logic), but the fact that in this Caucasian conflict the Slavic people were more expected to be supported than a kick and trips in the form of downed planes! Plus jealousy, when the Ukrainian leader at the same time called the Georgians "fraternal people" as if spat in the face of the Russian!
            2. воронов
              воронов April 30 2013 23: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              Kamrad, I am not for you

              Che already turned on the back? laughing
        2. воронов
          воронов April 30 2013 23: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Old_Kapitan
          bastard? Is it true that it hurts my eyes?

          Minisuyu I do not choke bile laughing
          1. Quirtu
            Quirtu 22 May 2013 20: 40 New
            0
            Why do you hate Ukrainians so much? Do you hate Belarusians who are independent too? And hatred so gall, already splashing. laughing
    3. воронов
      воронов April 30 2013 23: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      Do you have public evidence?

      Thing docks in Ossetia and Georgia rot, and even earlier in Chechnya
  • andsavichev2012
    andsavichev2012 April 30 2013 08: 11 New
    0
    "... Therefore, the unresolved issue of mercenarism in the country can be used by other states to discredit Ukraine in the international arena." - You gee, what is there to discredit something ????
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 30 2013 08: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: andsavichev2012
    "... Therefore, the unresolved issue of mercenarism in the country can be used by other states to discredit Ukraine in the international arena." - You gee, what is there to discredit something ????

    Indeed, the brothers of the Slavs were sold in Chechnya, they fought against the Russians.
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 30 2013 09: 45 New
      11
      right now, these “chocks” from Chechnya are quite respected representatives of the Russian establishment, Heroes of Russia, academics, and presidents.
      1. Heccrbq
        Heccrbq April 30 2013 10: 37 New
        0
        These chocks will remain for all Russians forever, and they are heroes and academics for a handful of bureaucrats who have nothing to do with the Russian government, they have these relationships with Ber Lazar in the first place. What else can I tell you, my Ukrainian friend, when we will have a Russian president, Sashko Bily and company from unso will go to the expense. Listen, why Ukrainians hate Russians so much (not all of course), I haven’t heard anything the other way around, although you shit Russia like that with shit.
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan April 30 2013 16: 15 New
          +3
          These chocks will remain for all Russians forever, and they are heroes and academics for a handful of bureaucrats who have no relation to the Russian government, they have these relations with Ber Lazar in the first place
          Those. if in Russia they give the Hero of Russia to the chock, then the Jews are to blame. And if in Ukraine Yushchenko gives the Hero of Ukraine to Bandera, then Ukrainians are to blame. Did I understand correctly?
      2. воронов
        воронов 1 May 2013 00: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Aeneas
        right now, these “chocks” from Chechnya are quite respected representatives of the Russian establishment, Heroes of Russia, academics, and presidents.

        Understand yourself first before climbing to us
      3. I'm Russian
        I'm Russian 1 May 2013 21: 21 New
        +1
        They betrayed the army in the Kremlin, forgot (did you know?) The heroes of those two wars ... You are right that the laurels went to those with whom they fought.
    2. sichevik
      sichevik April 30 2013 13: 19 New
      0
      The President of Chechnya, Hero of Russia Ramzan Kadyrov, also fought against the Russians in the first Chechen war. And he also killed our boys. Interestingly, didn’t he get a hero for this?
      But there were mercenaries. are and always will be. And mercenaries are not only Ukrainians or Americans. There are enough mercenaries everywhere among Russians, and among Ukrainians, and among Georgians, Moldovans, and many others ...
  • vkusniikorj
    vkusniikorj April 30 2013 08: 49 New
    -10
    this is a cry from the category of "NIZZJA." Mercenary is the same profession as everyone.
    It’s banned in Russia because, God forbid, they learn to fight, bring weapons and threaten the authorities! What kind of power is it if it is afraid of its own people? OPPOSITION !!!!!!!!
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 April 30 2013 09: 04 New
      +6
      Quote: vkusniikorj
      a mercenary is the same profession as everyone else.


      Continue on: the same profession as everyone:
      - the thieves
      - rapists
      - infanticides
      .....
      When were these mercenaries their own people, which the authorities should not be afraid of?
      State Department crap drank? Are your brains completely dry?
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas April 30 2013 09: 48 New
        -5
        Peter the Great invited thieves, rapists and child murderers from the German principalities and transformed Russia. even Napoleon almost became a mercenary of the Russian army.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop April 30 2013 09: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: vkusniikorj
      this is a cry from the category of "NIZZJA." Mercenary is the same profession as everyone.

      Will we recall the “white tights” (mercenaries of snipers from the Baltic states) in Transnistria and Chechnya? They, too, were "just making money" ...
    3. Rebus
      Rebus April 30 2013 13: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: vkusniikorj
      It’s banned in Russia because, God forbid, they learn to fight, bring weapons and threaten the authorities! What kind of power is it if it is afraid of its own people? OPPOSITION !!!!!!!!


      In December 1989, the United Nations adopted the Convention on the Prohibition of the Recruitment, Use, Financing and Training of Mercenaries. Unlike Additional Protocol I, the 1989 Convention refers to the category of mercenaries not only as individuals directly involved in armed conflicts, but also, which is essential, those who are recruited to participate in preplanned acts of violence. According to this Convention, states should not recruit, use, finance and train mercenaries, including for purposes contrary to the right of peoples to self-determination and are obliged to prohibit and prevent such actions.
      That is, mercenarism is a criminal offense throughout the world. Any mercenary, recruiter and organization using mercenaries, the state are recognized as war criminals and are subject to trial, including international ...
  • Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan April 30 2013 09: 02 New
    +1
    So, another 22 February 2011 year in american sources There was information that Ukrainian pilots piloted Libyan MiGs

    So, in particular, 23 August in one of the social networks American journalist wrote that in one of the battles, the Libyan rebels managed to capture at least 10-11 mercenaries from Ukraine

    Representatives of the Transitional National Council made a statement that during the fighting for one of the metropolitan areas, about two hundred mercenaries from African countries were detained, as well as about 15 of Ukrainian sniper mercenaries

    In the last quote, "Representatives of the Transitional National Council" whose? With whose light hand did the bloody slaughter unleash? Again Ukraine is to blame Major Afonya?
  • AK-47
    AK-47 April 30 2013 09: 05 New
    +4
    ... employees of private military companies periodically take part in armed conflicts abroad ...

    These private companies must be outlawed because they differ little from pirates.
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan April 30 2013 09: 14 New
      -5
      These private companies must be outlawed because they differ little from pirates.

      But why? Pirates piracy, but these "companies" are registered somewhere, pay taxes somewhere ... Or don’t pay ... They put the necessary envelope ...
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 30 2013 09: 27 New
    +7
    Europe (France) actively used a foreign legion and no one even blundered in their direction. Set an example - now let them not be offended. Personally, I am against mercenary, because I believe that there is a big difference between a person who goes to kill simply for money, and those who are fighting for an idea or on the instructions of their state. IMHO, of course. "Private military company" !!! Here's how it is officially registered? What is it created for? Or does the state “make its face a brick” and declares “we know nothing, know. This is all private business”? Convenient position!
    1. I'm Russian
      I'm Russian 1 May 2013 21: 30 New
      0
      Officially, this is a private security company that accompanies cargo and guards objects. Currently, there are about 1 million mercenaries in private armies. About 200 is now in Iraq, where they have more losses than NATO troops.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 1 May 2013 22: 10 New
      +1
      - "Against mercenarism" - strongly, but ... Your son (brother, husband, God forbid) is sent to fight ... "on the instructions of the state!" I am ready to replace them, “just for the money” - are you still against it?
  • Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan April 30 2013 09: 33 New
    0
    Fidget, I put you a plus. Because there is nothing to add ....
  • 12061973
    12061973 April 30 2013 09: 46 New
    +2
    they fought in Ichkeria, of course, didn’t fight a lot, but Udugov made a sensation on this.
  • Gecko
    Gecko April 30 2013 10: 03 New
    +1
    All if nothing, if not for the support of the Ukrainian mercenaries who fought on the side of Chechen terrorists and Georgians on the part of the Ukrainian state, and this is already an act of hostility and somewhat aggression on the part of Ukraine towards Russia. Just then do not be offended if that, we harness for a long time ... In general, the Anglo-Saxons are in ecstasy because the Slavs kill each other ... It's sad from all this ...
    1. Kars
      Kars April 30 2013 10: 39 New
      +9
      Quote: gecko
      All-nothing if not for the support of Ukrainian mercenaries who fought on the side of Chechen terrorists and Georgians

      You better clean out who helped the Chechens, who signed a truce with them, who sold weapons to them from your warehouses, who sold their own soldiers into slavery. And then harness it.
      1. воронов
        воронов 1 May 2013 00: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Kars
        You better clean your

        We’ll figure it out without you
      2. Gecko
        Gecko 1 May 2013 19: 44 New
        0
        In every society there are moral lessons that will transcend any morality beyond 30 pieces of silver, and Russia, unfortunately, is no exception.
        Ah, if it were just mercenaries, but many things were done with the active support of Ukrainian officials, which means the official state of Ukraine. I don’t think that most normal Ukrainians want to kill Russians. You read what you want to read, the main emphasis was placed on my support of these outrages by the government, most of which Americans bought through various non-governmental organizations, there is a simple bleeding, as they say divide et impera.
    2. Atrix
      Atrix April 30 2013 12: 54 New
      0
      Quote: gecko
      All if nothing, if not for the support of the Ukrainian mercenaries who fought on the side of Chechen terrorists and Georgians on the part of the Ukrainian state, and this is already an act of hostility and somewhat aggression on the part of Ukraine towards Russia. Just then do not be offended if that, we harness for a long time ... In general, the Anglo-Saxons are in ecstasy because the Slavs kill each other ... It's sad from all this ...

      Listen to what attitude the state of Ukraine bears for the fact that someone went to fight in a mercenary army? Was this an official position to send military experts? On the supply of weapons, was Georgia banned by international sanctions on the supply of weapons? Or Georgia officially declared that it was going to fight with Russia and asked to put weapons to it? And when Russia supplies weapons to Syria and Iran, then it turns out Russia is also a criminal because Europe is against it? And what about Russian mercenaries in Libya, Syria in Africa? Are they heroes or is it the official position of Russia to send mercenaries?
      Do not confuse the citizen’s right to go wherever he wants and do what he considers necessary, even if it is immoral, with the official position of the state.
      If tomorrow a person with Russian citizenship travels and blows up a house in Belarus, then according to your logic, is all of Russia and its citizens to blame?
  • Kars
    Kars April 30 2013 10: 05 New
    +6
    Everyone earns as much as he can, better as a mercenary under shoe polish somewhere in Africa than as a hijacker with a stocking on his head in Ukraine. Only if caught let him not complain.


    there’s also a good way to participate in UN and NATO military operations. But to get there you have to go to serve in the army, and even bring a bribe. But it’s legal, and they’ll not throw money with me
    1. воронов
      воронов 1 May 2013 00: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      there is also a good way to participate in UN and NATO military operations

      Here, there they are waiting for such “warriors” like you laughing
      1. Kars
        Kars 1 May 2013 08: 20 New
        0
        Quote: voronov
        Here, there they are waiting for such “warriors” like you

        I don’t complain about life, and I have enough money for bread with butter and caviar. Housing is provided, an official motor vehicle with a driver - why should I go somewhere.

        And some will not hurt
  • vladimirZ
    vladimirZ April 30 2013 10: 58 New
    +1
    Mercenaries, i.e. non-citizens of the country they serve in any form of organization: private or public should be outlawed. The Convention on Prisoners of War should not apply to them, then everyone who wants to try mercenaries will not be unfit to deal with this dirty business.
    1. Akim
      Akim April 30 2013 14: 26 New
      +1
      French foreign legion i.e. outlaw? And I remember in the early 2000s they offered to obtain Russian citizenship after serving three years in hot spots (Chechnya, Dagestan). And then what to call it? After all, the incentive of a mercenary is not only material.
  • Evgenx
    Evgenx April 30 2013 11: 04 New
    +6
    Before the start of the 08.08.08 war, a message appeared in the Ukrainian press: "A group of Ukrainian special forces will conduct exercises in Georgia at the mountain training center located near the city of Sachkhere. This was reported today by the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, noting that the international course of mining began -infantry training. "The message is dated 06.08.08. This is so, information for consideration. Source http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/140074/.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 30 2013 11: 18 New
      +7
      Quote: Evgenx
      The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, noting that the "international course of mountain infantry training" has begun in the center. The message is dated 06.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. This is so, information for consideration.

      Well, it’s necessary, but here the representatives of Ukraine said to me that there was no proof, and here the man himself threw a link with an independent link. There are different people hi
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan April 30 2013 13: 30 New
        -3
        Dp, different ... There are some ones that are also extraordinary. Pay attention to the "source".
        Source http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/140074/.
    2. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx April 30 2013 20: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Evgenx
      Before the start of the 08.08.08 war, a message appeared in the Ukrainian press: "A group of Ukrainian special forces will conduct exercises in Georgia at the mountain training center located near the city of Sachkhere. This was reported today by the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, noting that the international course of mining began -infantry training. "The message is dated 06.08.08. This is so, information for consideration. Source http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/140074/.

      yes and it's true so what? the teaching, if I remember well, would be in September!
      Quote: Evgenx
      "international mountain infantry training course."

      even right now! and there were no Ukrainian mercenaries in the 2008 year! like the Americans were not there))
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 April 30 2013 20: 09 New
        0
        Dur-ak --- a fool. Everyone knows everything — you only found yourself! It’s your saka who begged Yushchenko, help me, brother! Yes, and it’s kind of softer to say --- learn Russian (you will need)
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx April 30 2013 20: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          Dur-ak --- a fool. Everyone knows everything - you only found yourself!

          no one does not know everything! this is the same nonsense as the Sea Battle in the Black Sea! like Iraq had a Chemical Oreuzh (or Atominaya I don’t remember)
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 April 30 2013 20: 25 New
        +1
        And our instability in the Caucasus is largely due to you. Nothing, the time will come and everyone will answer! And we will hang your saku for Faberge!
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx April 30 2013 20: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          And our instability in the Caucasus is largely due to you. Nothing, the time will come and everyone will answer! And we will hang your saku for Faberge!

          all to blame! and everyone has their own balance!
  • ded_73
    ded_73 April 30 2013 11: 13 New
    +3
    And that no one recalls that, together with the citizens of Ukraine and Belarus, who received long sentences in Libya, a Russian citizen was sentenced to life imprisonment as the coordinator of the group. Or is he there, like a tourist? And Ukrainians are mercenaries, of course ...
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 April 30 2013 11: 50 New
      0
      So they’re not from Ukraine, why should they ...
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 30 2013 11: 20 New
    +1
    Again, the Russians and the Russian Ukrainians went .... Tired of it.
  • waisson
    waisson April 30 2013 11: 35 New
    +2
    people who are not able to realize themselves in their state are looking for a way to realize their abilities on the side
  • vkrav
    vkrav April 30 2013 11: 42 New
    +5
    Yes, what the fuck are “mercenaries” ?? When Yushch simply called to the military commissariat and offered to “work as an instructor for the currency”, h_o_hlovoyaki were directly offered to go on a “long, well-paid business trip” - mainly to Georgia ... Just h_o_kh_ly the cheapest - poverty because.
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan April 30 2013 13: 34 New
      -1
      Yes? In which, to whom, when?
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan April 30 2013 14: 42 New
        -1
        Why are you minus that? I just asked for clarification: in which military enlistment office, to whom and when.
    2. Akim
      Akim April 30 2013 14: 36 New
      0
      Quote: vkrav
      When Yushch simply called to the draft board and offered "work

      Do you personally know this? And I can say that there was no such thing. And the truth will be on the side who wants to believe in anything. In the top video, I liked how a storekeeper could become a Georgian mechanic-driver. Rave.
    3. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 April 30 2013 16: 45 New
      -2
      warrior, first go to school to be offered something. For chicoladas in Georgia, they offered to work as an instructor laughing Lord !!! and where are they cloned !!!
  • Opera
    Opera April 30 2013 11: 57 New
    +4
    But do not quarrel. Most of the comments here sin with prime incompetence or deceit! Of course, mercenarism can be spontaneous, so to speak ... with the connivance of the state if it meets the interests of this state! It may well be organized if it meets the interests of this state even more! Military supplies, instructors, mercenaries, exercises, etc. this is a very specific state policy in this particular place!
    Do not quarrel because faces here quarreling de facto on one side! It’s just a shame for one ... politics, while others hurt! As children. Look at the root guys!
  • sichevik
    sichevik April 30 2013 13: 31 New
    +4
    Prapor Afonya] Indeed, the brothers of the Slavs were sold in Chechnya, they fought against the Russians with chur ... [/ quote]
    The President of Chechnya, Hero of Russia Ramzan Kadyrov, also fought against the Russians in the first Chechen war. And he also killed our boys. Interestingly, didn’t he get a hero for this?
    But there were mercenaries. are and always will be. And mercenaries are not only Ukrainians or Americans. There are enough mercenaries everywhere among Russians, and among Ukrainians, and among Georgians, Moldovans, and many others ... [/ quote]
  • Day 11
    Day 11 April 30 2013 13: 42 New
    +1
    And if I sign up for volunteers for Assad in Syria. I will be whose traitor? In the eyes of the bulk of the population of Russia, a hero. And in the United States, the bastard is paramount. Everyone has their own interests!
    1. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 April 30 2013 16: 48 New
      -9
      You will not be a hero in Russia, you are fighting for Muslims, then excuse this opinion of the Russian population, pa ... la.
      1. воронов
        воронов 1 May 2013 00: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Scythian 35
        You will not be a hero in Russia, you are fighting for Muslims

        For information, Russia is a multinational state with several religious denominations, Muslims are the second largest after the Orthodox. I don’t know how it is in Ukraine, but in Russia when conferring the title of Hero of Russia, membership in a particular religious denomination is not taken into account
        1. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 2 May 2013 00: 22 New
          0
          I'm talking about anti-Muslim sentiments in Russia itself.
          1. Die-hard
            Die-hard 2 May 2013 00: 35 New
            0
            More likely anti-Caucasian.
            And they often come from Muslims - especially the Tatars do not like them.
  • georg737577
    georg737577 April 30 2013 13: 42 New
    -2
    Guys, everyone earns as much as he can. And there will always be "soldiers of fortune" who do not care who to shoot ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 30 2013 13: 48 New
      -2
      The only difference --- I wouldn’t shoot at hoh-lov. And the Arabs --- yes, fuck you will understand who is right, who is not
      1. family
        family tree April 30 2013 14: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        The only difference --- I wouldn’t shoot at hoh-lov. And the Arabs --- yes, fuck you will understand who is right, who is not

        Smiled. Will you ask for a passport?
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 30 2013 14: 33 New
          +2
          But to hell, is there a smile, we’ll figure it out
      2. Akim
        Akim April 30 2013 14: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Den 11
        The only difference --- in hoh-lov shoot-would not

        At a distance of 200 meters you can not distinguish nationality. And the pilot of the plane or the air defense operator do not care at all.
      3. воронов
        воронов 1 May 2013 00: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Den 11
        I wouldn’t shoot at hoh-lov

        If the enemy, why not shoot, but be sure to be the first soldier
  • sys-1985
    sys-1985 April 30 2013 13: 53 New
    +7
    The bastard has no nationality. And mercenaries have always been and most likely will be!
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 1 May 2013 00: 26 New
      0
      Golden words!
    2. Khamsin
      Khamsin 2 May 2013 17: 24 New
      0
      They will be if you do not fight this phenomenon, you cannot bring the problem to a critical state ...
  • Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan April 30 2013 14: 10 New
    0
    The only difference --- I wouldn’t shoot at hoh-lov. And the Arabs --- yes, fuck you will understand who is right, who is not

    I would. They don’t show the passport in sight.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 30 2013 14: 14 New
      0
      Then the counter-question: Would you start shooting at Mos-ka-la, of Finno-Ugric nationality? And if you are a Tatar, a Bashkir with a Russian passport? (Your opinion about us is just interesting)
      1. family
        family tree April 30 2013 14: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        Then the counter-question: Would you start shooting at Mos-ka-la, of Finno-Ugric nationality? And if you are a Tatar, a Bashkir with a Russian passport? (Your opinion about us is just interesting)

        Forgive me, of course, but you either do not have a clue not only about the military operations, but about the army in general, or you went here to troll.
      2. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan April 30 2013 14: 40 New
        0
        Then the counter-question: Would you start shooting at Mos-la-la?
        Why not? If he came to my house and wants to kill me.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 30 2013 14: 48 New
          0
          Nobody is going to come to your house with evil intentions! It's just interesting to me how brainwashed you are, that we have become enemies for you. Plan of A. Dulles in action!
          1. Akim
            Akim April 30 2013 15: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Den 11
            I just wonder how brainwashed you are, that we have become enemies for you

            You know. After Tuzla, doubts about the sincerity of Russian politicians crept in (I have not believed my own for a long time). And the SOLDIER will do what they tell him. I doubt that with a hypothetical skirmish you will refuse to carry out the order, because there will be "Slav brothers" in the trench
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 April 30 2013 15: 18 New
              +1
              Believe me, our president wants to create a regional superpower. And hohlov I won’t shoot for one simple reason --- my mother-in-law is half Ukrainian (her mother from Ivano-Frankivsk lived all her life with a Tatar, gave birth to him 3- x children). Personally, I’m like brothers, but I won’t be responsible for the rest
              1. Akim
                Akim April 30 2013 15: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Den 11
                Believe me, our president wants to create

                What your President wants to create is visible to the blind. But if you call people like that I don’t think I will reach for you. Or like a wheelchair at a press conference of Putin: "Are we worse than Ukraine?" No need to look down on or say high-flown phrases. The military should be deprived of this.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 April 30 2013 15: 57 New
                  0
                  Who names? Addresses, appearances, passwords (it’s possible in PM) - they’ll answer for the bazaar! Believe me, finally, the majority of the population have absolutely good (I would even say, love (you have beautiful girls)) feelings
                  1. Akim
                    Akim April 30 2013 16: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: Den 11
                    A hoh-lov I will not shoot

                    Look in the mirror. It would be a shame to me a citizen of Ukraine.
                  2. воронов
                    воронов 1 May 2013 00: 24 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Den 11
                    (you have beautiful girls))

                    And most importantly cheap love
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 1 May 2013 07: 09 New
                      -4
                      Quote: voronov
                      And most importantly cheap

                      And just like that (for free) no one gives? belay
          2. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan April 30 2013 16: 52 New
            -3
            Do not glue foolishness. I said - IF. And you’re going, not going to - it’s rubber for me.
        2. воронов
          воронов 1 May 2013 00: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Old_Kapitan
          Why not? If he came to my house and wants to kill me

          Don’t be afraid, we’ll come to visit you in tanks drinks
          1. Akim
            Akim 1 May 2013 07: 17 New
            -4
            Quote: voronov
            Don’t be afraid, we’ll come to visit you in tanks

            If you accept your rules of the game ...
            Our armored train always stands on a siding!
            RPG-7T
            650 mm per DZ. Firing range 450 meters.
            1. MG42
              MG42 2 May 2013 18: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              Our armored train always stands on a siding!
              RPG-7T
              650 mm per DZ. Firing range 450 meters.

              Akim, are you really ready to shoot at Russian tanks?
              I think that not everyone shares this point of view in Ukraine, but a minority, only Galicians with brainwashed will shoot.
              1. Akim
                Akim 2 May 2013 18: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: MG42
                Akim, are you really ready to shoot at Russian tanks?

                They come "on a visit" in this way - I will shoot. I relate well to Russia and the Russians (though I don’t think of it as the Fatherland). But if they come to my land and the Motherland orders, I’ll go to defend it. Orders are not discussed. (According to the charter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ONLY CRIMINAL ORDERS MAY NOT BE PERFORMED). If so, God forbid, this will do the majority. So that you do not mislead yourself. Remember Moscow, October 93rd. One country. And here we’ve been living in different apartments for 22 years. A whole generation has grown.
                1. MG42
                  MG42 2 May 2013 18: 34 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Akim
                  According to the charter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ONLY CRIMINAL ORDERS MAY NOT BE PERFORMED). If so, God forbid, this will do the majority. So that you do not mislead yourself

                  If they call me to bring down Russian planes from the reserve for such a war, then I will consider it just for a criminal order, let it go all through the forest ...
                  Quote: Akim
                  Remember Moscow, October 93rd. One country. And here we’ve been living in different apartments for 22 years. A whole generation has grown.

                  As for the new generation, I can’t judge what’s on their mind.

                  P / S think Voronov was just joking about visiting tanks look at the smiley, and you immediately with RPG-7 no
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 2 May 2013 18: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: MG42
                    Voronov simply joked about visiting tanks, look at the smile,

                    If you are told that you are K ... l, and then after that they say that this is a joke, you will be offended at least. Here is his phrase at the same level.
                    As for criminal orders. If two states are at war and you will be called up from stock, then not fulfilling the order is subject to criminal punishment. Art. 362 - if I am not mistaken. And then your moral right. Therefore, when the top video shows how the military enlistment office for Georgian aggression is being called up, it’s a lie that can not be described. This simply cannot be legally because the military commissar faces from 3 to 5. Nobody will ass for his own sake, for the sake of such a risk, especially knowing that there is a strong opposition in the form of the Party of Regions (about 2008).
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 2 May 2013 19: 18 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Akim
                      then this is a joke, at least you will be offended.

                      Do not pay attention to the user with a nickname from the German machine gun.

                      as for orders, I took the oath to Ukraine. And as they say, I will return to my native Geocint, not by gifts I painted him so much.
                    2. MG42
                      MG42 2 May 2013 20: 13 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Akim
                      If you are told that you are K ... l, and then after that they say that this is a joke, you will be offended at least.

                      Inappropriate comparison.
                      I have relatives in Russia >>> I think the war between Ukraine and Russia is completely crazy.
                      Quote: Akim
                      Nobody will ass for his own sake, for the sake of such a risk, especially knowing that there is a strong opposition in the form of the Party of Regions (about 2008).

                      By the way, if Yanukovych gives such an order, he perfectly understands what this will lead to, at least he won’t sit in his chair, because he was chosen by the pro-Russian electorate in the wake of improving relations with Russia and he was victorious in short of life, so he would bully
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 2 May 2013 20: 23 New
                        0
                        I think the war between Ukraine and Russia is completely crazy.
                        Quote: MG42
                        By the way, if Yanukovych gives such an order

                        This is not the same plane. Only the Supreme Council can declare war or mobilization. You can even call from the reserve only by decision of the NSDC, with the consent of the Supreme Council. You have the wrong idea. To run such a mechanism requires a number of large procedures (and not the solution of one crazy). Previously, even soldiers and equipment from the army were hard to call, with a stroke of the pen, to eliminate technological disasters.
                        I think the war between Ukraine and Russia is completely crazy.

                        This is the lyrics. In the 88th year, only in a nightmare, could a war be dreamed with Georgia.
                      2. MG42
                        MG42 2 May 2013 20: 35 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Akim
                        You have the wrong idea.

                        Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine = President, as he says = so the NSDC will vote, and in the Rada he has a majority >>> but he won’t say this, I wrote why above.
                        The entire vertical of power ends on Yanukovych, even though the judicial one at least legislatively steers one person. in Ukraine, everything else is a formality.
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 2 May 2013 20: 46 New
                        -1
                        Quote: MG42
                        The whole vertical of power ends on Yanukovych

                        What does Fedorovich have to do with it? I said about the procedure. Yanukovych received a post not for life. I told you about the correctness of the procedure, and you are trying to switch it to the political situation. Who is the type of FOR, and who is against today. No need to extrapolate to the present. God grant this never comes true.
                      4. MG42
                        MG42 2 May 2013 21: 09 New
                        +1
                        Do not pay attention to

                        Yes kars talking to yourself you are just a master. Okay, rest your position is understandable, since you took the Ukrainian oath = young and you enter the very young generation with brainwashed, though not Galician, why did you personally annoy the Russians ...
                      5. Akim
                        Akim 2 May 2013 21: 19 New
                        0
                        Quote: MG42
                        just took the oath to Ukraine = young means and you enter the very generation young with brainwashed,

                        Those who took the oath of allegiance only to the people of Ukraine are up to 40 years old. Not so young. I enter this age. My classmates retire after 5-6 years.
                      6. Kars
                        Kars 2 May 2013 21: 22 New
                        +1
                        I personally 31. And about the brainwashed - whoever said. Or have an opinion that does not coincide with Hitler's scythe it’s brainwashed right away))) typical thinking .. strange people .. As for salting --- then I’ll be Romanians or Poles with Turks shoot half-piglets with the same feeling. (Rather, bring and install the fuse)
                      7. Kars
                        Kars 2 May 2013 22: 08 New
                        0
                        Once again, if it is not clear = 42 age


                        and the name machingeverrey)))))))
                        what about Hitler’s braid’s hands is a household name
                    3. MG42
                      MG42 2 May 2013 22: 03 New
                      +1
                      Once again, if it is not clear = 42 age >>> the machine gun is written across the dash to be precise, but about Hitler’s braid, we have already discussed once with you how much you can walk in circles.
                      Or again bring a portrait of Hitler with a scythe Tymoshenko Julia? wassat I think enough.
                      As for such a weapon, it does not, by itself, shoot, but someone’s hands.
                      In short, enough to drive empty = this topic has really fed me.
                    4. MG42
                      MG42 2 May 2013 22: 18 New
                      0
                      Comrade, Kars, >>> re-read that thread you yourself know which = we have already discussed everything on this topic. TOPIC IS CLOSED.
                      Are you stuck. I'm not going to answer more on this topic. Waste of time.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 30 2013 15: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: vkusniikorj
    this is a cry from the category of "NIZZJA." Mercenary is the same profession as everyone.
    It’s banned in Russia because, God forbid, they learn to fight, bring weapons and threaten the authorities! What kind of power is it if it is afraid of its own people? OPPOSITION !!!!!!!!

    In Russia they already know how to fight! Do not believe me, check am
    1. воронов
      воронов 1 May 2013 00: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      In Russia they already know how to fight! Do not believe me, check

      Many of our neighbors and ex-brothers somewhere combed something, it's time to remind them am
  • Stalinets
    Stalinets April 30 2013 15: 22 New
    +1
    Baroness Sion !!!!! I'm crying ..... laughing
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt April 30 2013 15: 39 New
    +3
    You can only agree with those who do not divide the mercenaries by nationality, who objectively say that in the case of explicit or not explicit support for mercenaries from the state, the discussion does not fit into the framework of this article, which, depending on personal opinion, person, those participating in international military conflicts will be perceived either as mercenaries or as volunteers.

    Another question, whether it concerns Russian-Ukrainian relations, or not. Everything is clear here - the participation of UNA-UNSO in the events in the Caucasus, for most of us, is associated with mercenaries and inveterate nationalists. But, when we begin to discuss the participation of Ukrainians on the side of Gaddafi’s forces, the question arises, but what would be better if they were on the side of the opposition? Then you can condemn the volunteers in Yugoslavia and Transnistria.
    I wonder why the author forgot to include in the article that there are examples of the fight against mercenarism in Ukraine - http://kiyany.obozrevatel.com/news/2008/12/30/50947.htm

    In general, when such articles are thrown on the site, the idea arises that this is a malicious action, because the community’s reaction is known in advance.

    It is surprising when the participation of the Ukrainian army in joint exercises with NATO, as part of international programs, causes a violent reaction. Well, the Belarusians would talk about this (they are really “pure white” in this matter), but both Russia and Kazakhstan also participate in these or similar programs of military cooperation with NATO!

    And finally, the last, although much more can be said.
    I don’t know if anyone has the habit of looking at the author’s links, I always look at not only links, but also similar articles. I don’t know why to post the article here, but use the search and you will be satisfied - 90% of the article is pure plagiarism, more like (like many other articles) an abstract. However, see for yourself.

    http://2000.net.ua/2000/derzhava/ekspertiza/75435
    http://www.anti-orange-ua.com.ru/content/view/2221/42/
    http://styknews.info/novyny/ekonomika/2013/03/07/khto-zatsikavlenyi-v-garmatnomu
    -miasi-z-ukrainy-na-chuzhykh-viinakh

    In general, an interesting author (I will leave plagiarism alone) - apparently everything is in order in the Ukrainian army, or the author is deeply in the subject of the Russian army, if he wrote an article - "Valery Boval, on the tasks of military-patriotic education in Russia."
    http://zema.su/blog/valerii-boval-o-zadachakh-voenno-patrioticheskogo-vospitaniy
    av-rossii.
    1. Akim
      Akim April 30 2013 15: 56 New
      0
      Vadim, Boval has all such articles. Apparently they pay him extra for attendance of his writings.
      1. Nymp
        Nymp April 30 2013 17: 17 New
        +1
        Kim, you Odessa residents who gathered help in South Ossetia touched, made you feel this strong argument (given the frenzied propaganda in the Ukrainian media in 2008 against Russia). But I never doubted the presence of such people in Ukraine. I see that there are many such Little Russians. (therefore I love this site, it rallies) My harsh statement is not addressed to such people (I must apologize to them) but to the policy of the state as a whole. After all, there must be responsible persons who gave commands and orders! And they famously covered themselves with excuses for patriotism such as you, for example! So they skillfully use you and continuing what they call an independent policy!
        1. Akim
          Akim April 30 2013 18: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Nymp
          (given that frenzied propaganda in Ukrainian media in 2008 against Russia).

          There was no propaganda. Again the wrong information. This is an excerpt from the program on the central television channel of Ukraine, just two months later.

          As for the Little Russians. I am not a Ukrainian by nationality, but a citizen of Ukraine, and was born from the USSR in Ukraine. Now I live in Ukraine. I was not in the RSFSR, but I was in modern Russia. She personally never did anything good to me. Why should I love her fatherly? Ukraine is my small Motherland (the USSR, unfortunately long ago), and therefore all statements against it seem insulting to me. But I try not to get into politics. I am military and once took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine. It may sound pathetic, but any threat to my country (on either side) is still a threat.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 April 30 2013 18: 37 New
            0
            You’re a bad warrior (don’t be offended) if you don’t know how to think wider! For example, everything is clear to the old captain (people clearly understand and are far from dumb). You need to try to get into the source of the problem, but it’s not so easy, some try to translate it to the political plane. It's stupid.
            1. Akim
              Akim April 30 2013 18: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Den 11
              For example, everything is clear to the old captain (

              Maybe because I'm not old? laughing
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 April 30 2013 18: 49 New
                0
                Do you come here under different logins (nicknames)?
                1. Akim
                  Akim April 30 2013 18: 59 New
                  +1
                  What for? I come here with an open visor. I don’t even want to change my nickname. I speak under him, and with the Indians and Poles, not worrying that this is my name.
                  PS I lost in a computer photo where a sea of ​​flowers and candles near the walls of the Russian Embassy in Odessa on a terrorist attack in Beslan. But I can’t find it in Neta. (Some of them were mine))
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 April 30 2013 19: 09 New
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                    Old_Kapitan --- it's not YOU? Thank you (sincerely) for your sympathy, believe these CREWS (ALL !!!) have already suffered a well-deserved punishment!
                    1. Akim
                      Akim April 30 2013 19: 20 New
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                      Quote: Den 11
                      Old_Kapitan --- is it NOT YOU?

                      No, not me. I said: I do not understand the point of entering under different names. Maybe someone wants to increase their rating?
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 April 30 2013 19: 29 New
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                        For the thousandth time I say, we need to build an empire together! As the Bible says: “from dust and ashes we will revive our culture and our customs”
                      2. Akim
                        Akim April 30 2013 19: 45 New
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                        Quote: Den 11
                        For the thousandth time I say, we need to build an empire together!

                        This is already politics. I got into a similar topic because it relates to the army and retirees. Yes, and next to me, she closely passed once a very long time ago. I do not participate in discussions of politics, I’ve already eaten it. Therefore, this is a rare case. when we crossed paths. I am more impressed by the military theme.
                      3. Day 11
                        Day 11 April 30 2013 19: 51 New
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                        I absolutely agree with you — well, it’s in the liver this policy! And the military theme also impresses me. Regarding World War II (this is my favorite topic), I’m ready to discuss with you any topic.
                2. Old_kapitan
                  Old_kapitan April 30 2013 22: 08 New
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                  Lord, why did you decide that I will be encrypted? It just so happened that Akim and I have the same perception of what is happening.
      2. Nymp
        Nymp April 30 2013 19: 07 New
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        There was no propaganda. Again the wrong information.

        Kim, don’t! I myself watched the Ukrainian news in which the aggressor country is still a mild definition in the direction of Russia, and in general phrases like “Putin-Medvedev fascist regime” were easily pronounced for granted. What do you show excerpt from the comedic quarter-95? This is not a political transfer! Well, still KVN stick here! Well, why are you? I have already begun to take you seriously.
        1. Akim
          Akim April 30 2013 19: 16 New
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          Yes, the fact is that the “95th quarter” in Ukraine speaks only about politics. I’m already sick of watching it (I like Ural dumplings more). And there are different channels and many carried a blizzard of this nature. who pay them money. I would (and I don’t think that I am alone) would break the host of Channel 5, who said on September 2, 2004: "The rebels in Beslan captured the school yesterday."
  • Nymp
    Nymp April 30 2013 16: 44 New
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    What do Russians want from the state for 21 years already striving for Europeans in footmen? (and this is still an honorable place, half of the former republics would have fought for it) "Eurointegration" is the word caressing the Ukrainian ear. It does not leave the pages of the independent press and television! At the same time, not many people (and they are in Ukraine, and I respect them very much) understand that this notorious European integration and the word sovereignty are two different things. But such people are immediately referred to as sent by M OSKA La mi. Although all they want is real independence! (Although my point of view as a Russian is the opposite) But these people are much smaller. And on such media (+ a school anti-Russian program) a whole generation has been brought up in 21 years. Hence the mercenaries, without any ideology and morality! WHAT DO YOU WANT? This is also the fault of our Russian government losing the ideological, information war unleashed against Russia by the West, and Ukraine is used in this war as a powerful weapon against non-submissive Russians. Only it seems to me that the Russians have already begun to develop immunity against these weapons, it is funny that this offends the Ukrainians! I would apologize but only to the Little Russians and not the Ukrainians.
  • Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan April 30 2013 17: 14 New
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    But such people are immediately referred to as sent by M OSKA La mi.
    You will laugh, but no one calls me that. On the contrary, 99% agree with me ...
  • Day 11
    Day 11 April 30 2013 17: 49 New
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    In short, there’s no argument. Everyone understands each other perfectly (Russians-Ukrainians), but each shows his own “grandeur.” One thing needs to be clarified. We are one community (I wanted to say an ethnos, but everything is too twisted here). It’s necessary to build a common super- empire! Otherwise, we will be "devoured" one by one
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan April 30 2013 18: 08 New
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      Plusonul. Although I do not agree with everything. Russia will not be devoured. Choke.
  • kind
    kind April 30 2013 18: 32 New
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    Guys, do not quarrel! There are enough cattle everywhere, both in Ukraine and in Russia. It’s not worth us because of them the passion to heat.
  • misterwulf
    misterwulf April 30 2013 20: 41 New
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    To hell with them - with mercenaries in professional firms somewhere in Africa or Honduras! What to do with terrorist centers on the territory of Ukraine (first of all, it concerns all kinds of UNA-UNSO in Western women and various missions of Hizb-ut-Tahrir and others in Crimea, whose participation in the wars in Transnistria, Chechnya, Karabakh, Abkhazia ... they even don't dispute?
    Here we need the position of the State, and it is the opposite! Like, all that is against her is not a crime! Does it not follow from this that Ukraine is a terrorist state?
    And so, there were always and everywhere mercenaries and from anywhere, BUT the State never had any relation to them! The most famous are Lord Byron and a bunch of our Garibaldians.
    Although there was a war in Spain and the USSR, it didn’t have a relationship (officially), but Germany and Italy had it. Although there were Germans and Italians in the inter-brigades :) next to the Russians and the French and others.
  • misterwulf
    misterwulf April 30 2013 20: 54 New
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    To whom I have a positive (without reservation) attitude towards the French Foreign Legion. Most of ours go there to serve France for citizenship and money. And not against your people! And where is the thread in Gabon or other Chad. This is their decision, not the decision: "Where will they send for grandmas and will you kill yours, including civilians." And this organization is fighting officially in the interests of France and under certain conditions.
    Everything is fair and transparent there.

    But Bandera and Islamists from Ukraine are subject to destruction or a long prison, and all the same, the killers hired a brigade to destroy the village or something else. On the contrary, it’s also a choice.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 30 2013 21: 06 New
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      Why is this legion enticing you so much? Do you want to make money? I can throw off a bunch of links where they offer no less (some have more) pennies! Do you think these "Europeans" are more civilized?
  • roial
    roial April 30 2013 22: 54 New
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    You first deal with your mercenaries. And then start barking at others. I can remind you that RUSSIAN mercenaries took part in the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh (on November 25, 1991, in the sky above Stepanakert, the Armenian air defense forces shot down one of the aircraft. The pilot managed to eject, but was captured by representatives of the Armenian army on the ground. The pilot was a former senior Air Force lieutenant USSR Yuri Bilichenko),
    Yugoslavia (in May 1995, a BiH army helicopter carrying senior Muslim government officials was shot down by Serbs in the Bihach region. Three pilots were killed - with Ukrainian names and Russian passports, documents and bodies fell into the hands of Serbs.)
    and so on, there are many examples.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 30 2013 23: 11 New
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      You crawled out from under a stone, a scarecrow? It remembered Karabakh (and it would be unacceptable, then, to try it out.) Understand, first, the history of the issue and the participants in the events
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 April 30 2013 23: 00 New
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    at one time in Ukraine there were a lot of military schools first-class military units. but one day they were no longer in the lot. So they went to fight everywhere. this is in the traditions of the Ukrainian Cossacks - where they pay more and serve.
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS April 30 2013 23: 47 New
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    Dmitro Korchinsky:

    I witnessed how one was found among the prisoners in the basement near Maskhadov. Everything happened, as in a template film about the war. There was a kindness from the Ukrainians, because at first the Chechens did not know how to do this. Gene Klyuchnikov, according to the old "pear" habit, hooked this officer: "- How are you standing? Which school did you graduate from? Saratov ... And why are you flying boots? Which school? Tell the truth! And the guy laughed, admitted that he was sent to the disposal of the commander of the ground brigade as an aircraft pilot. His surname was Bryantsev, his rank was senior lieutenant, originally from Mariupol ... I was always struck by the passivity of the victims, even in view of the imminent and obvious death. A man stands calmly when he is aiming aimlessly between eyes from a machine gun. When they dealt with the contract soldiers, they executed all the executioner's commands “Lay!”, “Pick up your hands!”, “Bend your legs!” The victims had their neck cut rather deeply, the trachea was pulled and crossed over, as in the slaughter of cattle. The sight is not pleasant: a man whistles, twitches for about fifteen minutes. Before throwing him into a common grave, he still had to be shot through.

    After the victory, Yushchenko Korchinsky lost the usual support at the top, and quickly re-qualified as "fighters against imperialism." Before that, he managed to express himself in the spirit of the fact that although “Yushchenko is bad,” but the “orange revolution” is a very good thing

    Mercenaryism as a phenomenon appeared on the territory of the former USSR in the early 90s, when the country was torn to pieces by local conflicts. Abkhazia, Transnistria, Ferghana, Karabakh - wherever the next ethnic war broke out, people appeared who were ready to sacrifice their lives for money. The Ukrainian organization UNA-UNSO was especially famous at that time: in the 92nd it sent several detachments to protect the Ukrainians of Transnistria, in July the 93rd equipped the Argo expeditionary force in Abkhazia, which fought at the side of Georgia near Sukhumi (the seven “Unovtsy” government of Georgia posthumously awarded the Order of Vakhtang Gorgasal); and in 1994, the UNA-UNSO Viking unit arrived in Chechnya. They were accepted everywhere with open arms, because they knew that the "Unovtsy" were good, disciplined warriors, and it was not a pity to pay money to a good warrior. Special units were created from the Ukrainians in the regular army of Ichkeria, they were used as instructors to train Chechen soldiers.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 May 2013 21: 17 New
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      This is for you cons from Seliger. They do not like to remember Korchinsky.
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS 2 May 2013 15: 48 New
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      Wow !!! How Ukrainians really hurts their eyes !!! bully
  • Day 11
    Day 11 April 30 2013 23: 52 New
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    Why did he write this for real? S-wow --- he will answer, Mr. Nida will be tormented, smelly !!!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 May 2013 21: 16 New
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      Will not answer. Do you know that he came to Seliger, gave lectures to the Nashi?
  • Stalinets
    Stalinets 1 May 2013 01: 54 New
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    The picture shows some indigenous Ukrainians !! laughing
  • Argon
    Argon 1 May 2013 03: 15 New
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    After reading the article, I personally had the impression that the government was playing a scam, with its own citizens. On the one hand, it ratified international documents on the prohibition and fight against mercenarism, on the other, allowing the legal work of PMCs on their own territory. these companies should not rely on the consular assistance of Ukraine in case of force majeure beyond its borders. The unfortunate will not be of any political value and will be destroyed, sorry for cynicism. Libya is rather an exception.
  • AndreyAB
    AndreyAB 1 May 2013 08: 21 New
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    A little article of nonsense, you can bring about mercenaries from almost all the old worlds, ideological killers and staunch fighters are always enough to translate into nationalities, or rather, into the local names of the Slavs and blame it - stupidity.
  • Larus
    Larus 1 May 2013 11: 38 New
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    As grandmas, the bazaar dispute was again arranged by who is “Ukrainian” and who is Russian.I’m living on the outskirts of Russia, I’m who is a “Ukrainian” outskirts, or Russian.What do you think if half of the outskirts were under the Poles, then the Russians don’t use Polish parasites there ?? They’re Siberians from us, Cossacks, and there you’ll come up with some other names and we’ll make odd classrooms !! !
  • I think so
    I think so 1 May 2013 16: 40 New
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    When there is not enough money and especially brains then this meat appears (mercenaries) ... I think they will get theirs ... sooner or later ...
  • antikilller55
    antikilller55 1 May 2013 17: 45 New
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    And what was the big secret for someone? Mercenaries were, are and will be from the Slavic peoples, including from the Russian Federation and Ukraine in particular, so what ?! How are Western private armies different from them?
  • Yazov
    Yazov 1 May 2013 17: 56 New
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    The worse the standard of living in the country, the more on the roads of prostitutes and in conflicts of mercenaries.
  • Opera
    Opera 1 May 2013 17: 57 New
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    Mercenary is not a profession! Fighting for money, which means killing anyone, anywhere and on any side, is not a profession! This is a state of mind, or rather its absence! There is still such a word unprincipled, i.e. lack of principles, life guidelines, etc. There is another word - a killer! This is also a kind of mercenary, isn't it?
    There is another word - volunteer! This concept is really different.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 May 2013 18: 08 New
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      This is a way out for those who do not know how to do anything else. Where are they going to the parking guard?

      Well, do not put an equal sign between "fight" and "kill", these are two different things.
  • zbidnev
    zbidnev 1 May 2013 22: 56 New
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    Unfortunately in Ukraine there is no state as such, and the population is forced to earn as it turns out, which is what our so-called leadership uses. They have their percentage from mercenaries and prostitutes, etc. We can’t build our own, and also keep the legacy left over from the State. For our bandits, it’s all the same how to earn this money by killing Russian soldiers or hitting our children, the money doesn’t smell. Somewhere I heard that our friends capitalists, having the prospect of making a profit of more than 300%, will not stop at crime. Our government plays a lot of shit democracy, and accordingly tries to be similar in everything to them.
  • zbidnev
    zbidnev 1 May 2013 23: 08 New
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    In Ukraine, unfortunately, the state as such is absent. The population is forced to earn as much as possible, respectively, a large number of mercenaries, prostitutes, etc. Our so-called leadership covers all these processes for a good percentage, and in some cases leads it. They don’t care whom they kill their own or Russian servicemen, poison adults or children, they are clearly not concerned with morality. I read somewhere that in developed dermocratic countries, capital earning more than 300% percent will not stop at any crime. We want to be like them, we are striving for Europe !!!
  • NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 2 May 2013 00: 39 New
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    As for Georgia, I don’t know if Ukry was there or not, but in Yugoslavia it was full of them and they fought not on our side ........
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 3 May 2013 02: 18 New
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      We can ukry and were, but the Ukrainians were not ... fool
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 2 May 2013 16: 11 New
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    Merchants death

    After the collapse of the Union, the CIA, or rather, the group of "irreconcilable", which included Kupchinsky, faced new tasks. The problem of supplying weapons of various "friendly forces" to the foreground or without any state status (it was not fashionable to talk about international terrorism then) or who had problems with the international embargo came to the fore.

    The objects of special guardianship were Croats and Bosnian Muslims who fought against the Serbs declared the next "evil empire", as well as the Afghan Taliban and various African puppet regimes. For these operations, the scheme worked out by Kupchinsky in Afghanistan and the secret bank accounts controlled by him could be used, but there was no main thing - weapons. And here Marchuk became a lifesaver. Marchuk completely, from beginning to end, oversaw the process of trade in Ukrainian weapons and, for this, he created the foreign trade company Progress. In addition, through a system of special departments in the troops, Marchuk was in charge of all army depots of weapons and military equipment, having the ability to control their contents uncontrollably. It only remained to combine the interests of the two parties and the desired result was easily achievable.

    Something about the details of what happened became known from testimonies at a trial in Turin now about the fact that the Italian authorities detained in 1994 a ship loaded with contraband Ukrainian weapons destined for the Croatian army. One of the accused, who performed intermediary functions in the process of arms smuggling, described how Marchuk, on the basis of obviously false end-use certificates for him, sold weapons at prices that were several times lower than in the world. Under the personal protection of Evgeny Kirillovich, the cargo was delivered to the port, from where it was transported to the "hot spot". After that, Marchuk received his “kickback,” reaching several million dollars at a time. It is curious that this happened in one of the offices of the administration of the Kiev Pechersk Lavra National Reserve, whose director, Vazhnik, was a relative of one of the accused at the Turin process. At the same time, part of the funds was accumulated in the accounts of Kupchinsky. Thus, in 1992-94, large parties of small arms and missiles and somewhat smaller parties to the Taliban were transported to Croatia, with the help of Kupchinsky.

    All this, probably, would have remained a secret forever, if the Italians, who were not aware of the operation, had not been detained, as, however, the leadership of the CIA, the “Yadran-express” vessel, had not been aware, which was the beginning of the unwinding of the criminal tangle. Kupchinsky was more fortunate than Marchuk - his name, thanks to the urgent intervention of friends from the Italian CIA residency, was not included in the process.

    The transferred tests only rallied the partners and the interaction between them increasingly went beyond the narrow special services. In the 1999 presidential election, Liberty mobilized all its efforts to support Marchuk, and CIA analysts close to Kupchinsky were able to convince the White House’s democratic leadership of the advisability of supporting the retired general. Marchuk loses with a devastating result, but does not consider his political future buried. Kupchinsky does not consider this either ...