Ukrainian mercenaries in modern wars: who needs it?

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Ukrainian mercenaries in modern wars: who needs it?


In the memory of the Ukrainian people are still fresh memories of the events, the direct participants of which were Ukrainian citizens. We are talking about the trial, which took place recently in Libya over the Ukrainians, who allegedly provided military services to the Gaddafi regime. Currently, it is not worth discussing the validity of such accusations, because the problem is that recently more and more countries in the world perceive Ukraine as an exporting country of military specialists who are able to perform any tasks assigned to them, and not for a lot of money. . That is why more and more often many people pay attention to Ukrainians only in this aspect. At the same time, many analysts are convinced that at the given time this problem is not relevant for the state. But is it really?

As you know, everything in the world tends to change. However, there remain things that are not subject to change, in particular, it is about the desire of the states for constant development, gaining independence, changing the political regime, obtaining new natural resources to strengthen their own positions on the world stage. Unfortunately, some states still use local wars and armed conflicts as a source of enrichment. It should be noted that the methods and forms of conducting military operations are changing, but they cannot do without manpower. That is why one of the most problematic aspects of warfare is issues related to the use of mercenaries. From the experience of recent years, we can say that mercenaryism has become one of the main components of the armed conflicts of our time. You don’t have to go far for evidence, just look at any issue of the world News - Almost every story about any of the local wars refers to mercenaries.

According to the same media, more than two and a half hundred mercenaries were captured during the fighting in Tripoli, and among them 19 people turned out to be Ukrainians. It is noteworthy that the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry denies such information, stating that it does not possess any information of this kind, and therefore conducts an inspection. And in statements of this kind there is nothing surprising, because in Ukraine mercenary is a criminal offense. In addition, often in the press you can see such messages, which are positioned as sensational, but in fact do not contain any valuable information.

As for the participation of Ukrainian mercenaries in the Libyan war, information about their participation appeared almost from the very beginning of the war. So, even 22 in February 2011 of the year in American sources appeared information that Ukrainian pilots piloted the Libyan MiGs, firing at the protesters, but no evidence was given to such statements. As events developed, the Ukrainian mercenaries were increasingly mentioned. So, in particular, 23 August in one of the social networks of the American journalist wrote that in one of the battles, the Libyan rebels managed to capture at least 10-11 mercenaries from Ukraine, who fought on the side of Gaddafi.

A few days later, a new mention of Ukrainian mercenaries appeared. Representatives of the Transitional National Council made a statement that about two hundred mercenaries from African countries, as well as about 15 Ukrainian mercenaries-snipers, were detained during the fighting for one of the metropolitan areas.

However, the participation of the Ukrainian mercenaries in the Libyan war was not limited. For example, in February 2012, the head of the political bureau of the National Movement for the Liberation of Azavad Mahmoud Ag Ali said that the Malian state used Ukrainian mercenaries to service and pilot military aircraft, which not only destroyed transport and settlements of civilians, but also people in the Agabo areas , Intedeni, Uzen and Tesalit. Soon this statement was sent to the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

It is worth noting the statement by the representative of the Investigative Committee of Russia V.Markin regarding the participation of Ukrainian citizens in South Ossetia in the armed conflict. And such statements are quite common, almost every year, as soon as somewhere in the world another armed conflict erupts.

But the problem lies not only in the participation of mercenaries from Ukraine. Traditionally, mercenaries are not tied to any region in the world, because they come from many states and appear in the place where the so-called employer sent them. At the same time, if earlier mercenary was connected mainly with Africa, in recent years “soldiers of fortune” have begun to meet more and more in Central America, in Asia, in the Balkans and the Caucasus, in the Pacific region. Thus, for a fee, these people take part in armed conflicts to which they have nothing to do.

It should be noted that the role of mercenarism especially increased in the 60-s of the twentieth century, after the process of decolonization. Mercenaries were attracted to the struggle for the right of self-determination of peoples who were previously colonies. In addition, they were used to combat national liberation movements and to destabilize the newly established independent governments.

With the end of the Cold War, a new category of mercenaries appeared, and their activities changed to a certain extent. At that time, the main source of conflict was the resurgence of religious and ethnic intolerance, extreme nationalism, along with the fact that ideological differences gradually weakened. Therefore, powerful states have practically ceased to take care of establishing control in the regions located in close proximity to their borders, and less attention is paid to conducting operations abroad. This was the starting point for increasing the demand for mercenary services. At the same time, the first companies appeared that were engaged in providing security and providing military assistance, selling a variety of services, in particular, hiring military specialists to participate in military combat operations.

The problem of mercenary, by the way, is of great concern to the world community. Even the resolution on the Commission on Human Rights regarding mercenarism states that the activities of mercenaries are the reason for the difficulty of the process of self-determination of peoples and contrary to international law.

Over the past two decades, the United Nations has adopted more than one hundred documents that condemn the activities of both the mercenaries themselves and those who use them. As early as 1989, the International Convention on the Suppression of the Recruitment, Financing, Training and Use of Mercenaries was adopted by the General Assembly. Similar documents were adopted by the Organization of African Unity, in particular, in 1977, the Convention on the Elimination of Mercenarism in Africa was adopted.

As for the Ukrainian legislation, there is a law in it, according to which the citizens of the country are prohibited from taking part in armed conflicts and wars for the purpose of obtaining any material gain. Violation of this law is punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of three to ten years. But not everyone takes it seriously, trying in various ways to be abroad as mercenaries. In this regard, recently the activity of private foreign military companies has attracted more and more attention. Every year the number of Ukrainian citizens who work in these companies increases.

According to the Geneva Center for the Democratic Control of Armed Forces, it is common practice to refer to private military companies as commercial enterprises offering specific services related to participation in armed conflicts and wars, including conducting military operations, strategic planning, intelligence gathering, providing operational support and logistics, as well as maintenance of military equipment.

At the same time, the majority of such companies seek to position themselves as security companies, but since security functions are carried out, as a rule, in a combat zone, it is not possible to distinguish combat functions from security ones. That is why private military companies are often associated with mercenarism.

In this situation, the position of the Ukrainian state regarding the activities of private military companies is of great concern. It is a pity, but at present there is no clear position on this issue. At the same time there are two completely opposite opinions. Some experts and analysts talk about the need to legalize the activities of such companies through the approval of such activities in national and international law. The other part says that this kind of activity is nothing more than mercenary.

Whatever it was, and one thing remains indisputable: employees of private military companies periodically take part in armed conflicts abroad. And from time to time the activities of these companies become the object of increased interest from the media. In particular, we are talking about companies such as Blackwaters, ArmorGroup, Northbridge Services Group and many others.

Thus, in particular, in April 2003, the Baroness Zion, a member of the English Parliament, sharply condemned the activities of the Northbridge Services Group in Cod d'Iduvare. As a result of this statement, the British Government expressed concern about the recruitment of British, South African, French and Ukrainian mercenaries from among former military personnel.

Indicative is the activity of the company “Blackwaters”, the characteristic features of which is a hard work style with weaponsIn some cases, unjustifiably. So, for example, in 2007, an incident occurred in Baghdad, as a result of which civilians were injured. Local authorities blamed the employees of this military company and demanded the cessation of their activities in the country. In addition, the authorities demanded that all military companies be checked for compliance with Iraqi laws. Over time, the activities of the "Blackwaters" in the country resumed, but the mercenaries were used only to perform tasks of particular importance.

At the beginning of 2011, employees of G4S (“Group 4 Securicor”), during the protection of petroleum products in the Niger Delta, engaged in an armed conflict with members of the terrorist organization “The Movement for the Liberation of the Niger Delta”. As a result, representatives of the Nigerian government stated that the employees of this company had no right to enter into armed conflicts with local residents. By their actions, the mercenaries violated the law - the Organization of African Unity Convention on the Elimination of Mercenarism in Africa.

Thus, at present, the activities of private military companies can be considered as a legal way to find a job in “hot spots”. However, in reality there is no legal component here. Many who decide to work as a mercenary, as a rule, sign an agreement on formal employment, which spells out social guarantees in unforeseen cases, after receiving injuries and so on. But in reality, these agreements do not have any legal force on the territory of Ukraine, because such companies operate outside the national legal framework.

As for the Ukrainian private military companies that began to appear in the early 2000s – in particular, we are talking about Muse Professional Group and Vega Strategic Services – things are not so simple here either. These companies not only operate in armed conflict zones, organizing conditions for their personnel to participate in combat operations and creating a threat to their lives. Their activities also threaten the national interests of the state. Ukraine, as a democratic country, has taken on certain obligations, in particular, respect for the sovereignty of other states. Therefore, the unresolved issue of mercenarism in the country can be used by other states to discredit Ukraine in the international arena.

Materials used:
http://styknews.info/novyny/ekonomika/2013/03/07/khto-zatsikavlenyi-v-garmatnomu-miasi-z-ukrainy-na-chuzhykh-viinakh
http://2000.net.ua/2000/derzhava/ekspertiza/75435
http://www.kit.com.ua/ka/index.php?id=1&id_art=915
http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1146646626
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  1. Marks
    +12
    April 30 2013 07: 47
    Why are they there in Libya in 2008 in Ossetia with rodents, they have time everywhere!
    1. +21
      April 30 2013 08: 46
      Quote: Marks
      they were in 2008 in Ossetia with rodents, everywhere they manage
      It is simply written by a Ukrainian for Ukrainians. Mercenaries from Russia are also widely represented in the world. The truth is that recruitment occurs through Ukraine.
    2. +10
      April 30 2013 08: 56
      The list of Ukrainian military men who fought on the Georgian side and shot down Russian planes or served air defense systems was previously published by Konovalyuk on behalf of the Verkhovna Rada’s commission of inquiry. Then these lists on Ukrainian sources disappeared somewhere. But something was saved:

      Moneyman Alexander Ivanovich,
      Kabanets Valery Ivanovich,
      Verbitsky Victor Timofeevich,
      Panimatka Alexander Sergeevich,
      Koptev Nikolay Nikolaevich,
      Verbitsky Yuri Ilyich,
      Tikhonov Roman Germanovich
      Ponomarenko Volodymyr Valeriyovych 02.02.1981 R.N., mіsce people: s. Verbіvka Balaklіyskiy district Kharkivskoїobl .; mіsce reєstratsії: Kharkivska region., Balaklіysky district, with. Verbivka, st. Zhovtneva, bud. 59; passport: MK 522169, visions 29.05.1997/2961816677/08252623 Balaklіyskiy RV UMVS in Kharkiv region; identification number 26.06.2007; pratsyuє at the DP "BRZ" (code 09.07.2007) - the enterprise has been repairing and modernizing the complexes of the PPO land vysk, in addition, from the period from 22.07.2008 to 13.08.2008 and from 21552117 to XNUMX until XNUMX. "Ukroboronservis" (code XNUMX).

      Goptsiy Volodymyr Petrovich 04.06.1949 r.n., mice of people: m. Balakliya, Kharkiv region; misce reєstracii: Kharkivska region, metro Balakliya, st. 8 Bereznya, bud. 58; passport: MK 543463, vision 07.08.1997/1805317516/08252623 Balaklіyskiy RV UMVS in Kharkiv region; identification number 21.08.2007; pratsyu on the DP "BRZ" (code 07.09.2007) - the enterprise has been repairing and modernizing the complexes of PPO land vysk, in addition, from the period from 13.12.2007 to 14.08.2008. Taz 21552117. Ukroboronservis "(code XNUMX).

      Minyaylo Oleksandr Ivanovich 28.09.1963 r.n., place of people: m. Zolotonosha, Cherkasy region; misce reєstratsії: Cherkasy region, metro Zolotonosha, st. Novoselivska, bud. 2a, apt. 33; passport: НС 033699, vision 02.02.1996r. Zolotonsky RV UMVS of Ukraine in the Cherkasy region; identification number 2328117792; at period from 28.01.2008 until 13.08.2008 pratsyuvav on DP "Ukroboronservis" (code 21552117).

      Pilipchuk Dmitro Grigorovich 23.04.1962/91/14 R.N., Miscellaneous people: metro Shepetivka Khmelnitsky region .; mіstse of registration: Khmelnitsky region., metro Shepetivka, vul. K.Marxa, Bud .. 032492, apt. 16.04.1996; passport: ON 2275821253, visions XNUMXr. Shepetivsky RV UMVS of Ukraine in Khmelnitsky region .; Identification number XNUMX;

      Only, apparently, these are not mercenaries, but officials.
      1. 0
        April 30 2013 09: 11
        The list of Ukrainian soldiers who fought on the Georgian side and shot down Russian planes or served an air defense system was previously published by Konovalyuk on behalf of the Verkhovna Rada’s commission of inquiry.

        Are you talking about deputy Konovalyuk? Which type of lieutenant colonel?
      2. Akim
        +5
        April 30 2013 09: 20
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        who fought on the side of Georgia and shot down Russian planes or served air defense systems, was previously published by Konovalyuk on behalf of the commission of inquiry he leads

        I won't talk about the fact that publishing personal data of citizens is a violation of the law. Konovalyuk is an odious politician. A train derailed - it was a terrorist attack. And then it turned out to be just negligence. But that's politics. Think logically. If the air defense missile systems were removed from combat duty, they will not be serviced by specialists from the repair facility. The fact that they were there, information about this has not disappeared anywhere. They only removed the statement that they participated in military operations. Because in that report "horses and people got mixed up". And they returned from the mission back in May.
      3. +5
        April 30 2013 09: 38
        men under 50 years old, and militant mercenaries! Do not make me laugh. Yeah, these are the workers at the Balakliya repair plant. The fact that Ukraine delivered weapons to Georgia is no secret. Of course, it is regrettable that Russian soldiers were killed from these weapons. But still I remind you that it’s not weapons that kill, but people.
        1. Skavron
          -1
          April 30 2013 10: 08
          Nikolai S. apparently has some kind of personal insult to the Ukrainians.
          I don’t even know what to say ... for a long time everything has been chewed up about specialists in Georgia ... what can I say? Kolya, do not write nonsense ... especially with personal data of people.
          Can you uncover your incognito on the site? Or how?
          1. Nymp
            +8
            April 30 2013 15: 43
            Quote: Skavron
            Nikolai S. apparently has some kind of personal insult to the Ukrainians.
            I don’t even know what to say ... for a long time everything has been chewed up about specialists in Georgia

            I do not think so! The man said the deal! Who is "chewed"? Ukrainians? Maybe Ukrainians chew snot like this and seems like a normal explanation, to me as a Russian this "chewing" seems like noodles. (no need to keep Russians for suckers). As for the resentment against the Ukrainians; - And really not at all! Angels are just long-suffering, but quietly a knife in the back!
      4. +4
        April 30 2013 12: 39
        thank!! NADO still have to write a list of whom, and how they destroyed !! wink
      5. ed65b
        +4
        April 30 2013 12: 43
        The first 2 from the east from under Kharkov, I will beat the meeting.
        1. RU_PATRIOT
          -6
          April 30 2013 22: 44
          Or you can rake it yourself ..
        2. Superbandera
          -10
          1 May 2013 00: 32
          if the jaw holds
          1. 0
            3 May 2013 03: 06
            Quote: SuperBandera
            if the jaw holds

            Can you stand it yourself? return flow? Bendery ...
      6. Vovka levka
        0
        1 May 2013 22: 40
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        The list of Ukrainian soldiers who fought on the Georgian side and shot down Russian planes or served an air defense system was previously published by Konovalyuk on behalf of the Verkhovna Rada’s commission of inquiry.

        Believe Kovalyuk, do not respect yourself.
    3. Scythian 35
      +1
      April 30 2013 15: 58
      What is not advertised the participation of immigrants from Ukraine on the side of the Federal forces in Chechnya, where they were the lion's share of personnel !!!
      1. +3
        April 30 2013 16: 03
        What is not advertised the participation of immigrants from Ukraine on the side of the Federal forces in Chechnya, where they were the lion's share of personnel !!!

        So then it doesn’t work out that all Ukrainians are.
        1. Scythian 35
          +2
          April 30 2013 16: 24
          What is most interesting - on this site Gaddafi is the highest deity, his soldiers are Heracles, and Ukrainian soldiers who fought for Gaddafi are the dregs of society. Who is all the same Gaddafi ??? wassat
        2. Scythian 35
          -2
          April 30 2013 16: 33
          I'm not saying that in Chechnya, most of the officers are immigrants from Ukraine. True, there is no digging around, at that time they were already citizens of the Russian Federation.
          1. -1
            April 30 2013 19: 51
            Quote: Scythian 35
            I'm not saying that in Chechnya, most of the officers are immigrants from Ukraine. True, there is no digging around, at that time they were already citizens of the Russian Federation.


            don’t say so.
            otherwise "
            and to the side of the Federal forces in Chechnya, where they had the lion's share of personnel !!!
            "said very loudly.

            however, Warrant Officer Shmatko, also an officer.
            1. +2
              April 30 2013 23: 23
              Quote: Rider
              Warrant Officer Shmatko, also an officer.

              In the Ukrainian army, yes !!! laughing
            2. Scythian 35
              -1
              1 May 2013 00: 43
              I said "officers" !!! And not Nazarbayev's drinking companion, the proportioner Numbulaev, it seems, who became a major general from a senior warrant officer, and in just a year.
              1. 0
                1 May 2013 01: 57
                Quote: Scythian 35
                I said "officers"


                no, you said stupidity.

                and with whom Nurik is thumping, it makes no difference to me.
          2. 0
            April 30 2013 23: 22
            Quote: Scythian 35
            in Chechnya, most of the officers are immigrants from Ukraine.

            And Ukrainians also built Egyptian pyramids, didn’t they know?
      2. 0
        April 30 2013 23: 19
        Quote: Scythian 35
        immigrants from Ukraine on the side of the Federal forces in Chechnya, where they had the lion's share of personnel !!!

        And why so little, all the personnel of the Russian federal forces in Chechnya are immigrants from Ukraine laughing , as well as some of the natives were on the side of the Chechens
        1. Luna
          -9
          April 30 2013 23: 59
          But still, the majority were for political reasons, especially for the Balts and Ukrainians. Since I myself am from this category, I will try to briefly describe: firstly, as a rule, this group included people who actively participated in the national movement of the late 80s - early 90s, that is, they fought against the USSR and did not want to restore it under any name, be then Federation, Commonwealth or Empire. Well, it’s more pragmatic - only, please, no offense, - they thought it advisable to help the Chechens stop your army in the Caucasus, until you had to do this in the Crimea and Donbass.
          http://true-war.clan.su/forum/26-469-1
          1. Scythian 35
            -3
            1 May 2013 00: 50
            No offense. Thank!!! I did not think that Ukraine is such a large geopolitical player that it can juggle Russia and the Russian army !!! Obama and Hu Jintao choke on bile with envy !!! wassat
        2. Captain
          0
          2 May 2013 15: 13
          Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
          I don't know about Georgia, were there any Ukrainians there or not, but in Yugoslavia there were plenty of them and they didn't fight on our side........

          In Georgia (as in Chechnya), volunteers from the UNA-UNSO fought against the Russian army.
  2. MG42
    +5
    April 30 2013 07: 52
    Wow, and the faces in the photo in the subject, colorful Ukrainians disguised themselves as local aborigines in Africa, or they mowed down under the Ukrainians >>> good tan ... now without humor >>>
    Recently, more and more states of the world perceive Ukraine as an exporting country of military specialists who are capable of fulfilling any tasks assigned to them, and for not very big money.

    if a country does not pay a decent salary to its military and constantly reduces its army and budget, redistributing it in favor of other departments, then the military is forced to work in other countries ... obviously the military doctrine of Ukraine that there is no one to fight with and the army is not particularly a priority in financing.
    1. Akim
      +2
      April 30 2013 08: 00
      Quote: MG42
      .obviously the military doctrine of Ukraine that there is no one to fight with

      Plus for the comment. However, there is a question: the neighbors of Ukraine in the doctrine indicated a probable adversary (not to be confused with a potential one)?
      1. MG42
        +3
        April 30 2013 08: 09
        Specify which neighbors of Ukraine >>>> Romania? Belarus? Russia, Poland or Hungary or maybe Turkey? Most of the friction, so to speak, is on the Romanian vector, Romania is a NATO member, but things have not gone beyond international courts. Having abandoned nuclear weapons, Ukraine now does not pose a particular military threat to its neighbors ...
        1. Akim
          +2
          April 30 2013 08: 19
          Any. No state in the world (with the possible exception of the DPRK) designates a potential enemy in its doctrine. Because that is the goal. Our potential enemy is Romania now. And the Minister of Defense of Ukraine clearly stated this because we have economic disputes in the area of ​​the shelf and the Danube basin.
          1. MG42
            +4
            April 30 2013 08: 33
            Here in the new edition of Ukrainian. Levochkin prescribed military doctrine
            Section 4 General Provisions
            4. Military doctrine is defensive in nature. Ukraine does not consider any state (coalition of states) as its military adversary but will recognize potential military adversary a state (a coalition of states) whose actions will contain signs of the threat of the use of military force against Ukraine.
            Lived, the military doctrine is written by the civilian head of AP Yanukovych.
            1. -5
              April 30 2013 09: 25
              4. Military doctrine is defensive in nature. Ukraine does not consider a single state (a coalition of states) as its military adversary, but will recognize a state (a coalition of states) as a potential military adversary whose actions will contain signs of a threat of military force against Ukraine.
              Lived, the military doctrine is written by the civilian head of AP Yanukovych.

              And what is wrong?
              1. MG42
                +2
                April 30 2013 09: 58
                Quote: Old_Kapitan
                And what is wrong?

                What about Lyovochkina the first time did not understand?
                1. Akim
                  -1
                  April 30 2013 10: 58
                  Quote: MG42
                  What about Lyovochkin the first time did not understand?

                  and military doctrine has always been developed by politicians. But the military has the task of adjusting the army to it.
                2. -7
                  April 30 2013 13: 22
                  What about Lyovochkin the first time did not understand?

                  And what does Levochkin have to do with it? What is wrong with the doctrine?
                  1. 0
                    April 30 2013 15: 47
                    Yes, spit on me Levochkina, explain - what is wrong in the doctrine? Where have we stepped on your eggs?
          2. +1
            April 30 2013 09: 43
            Romania is the enemy. This is a little ridiculous. Romanians in all wars (after the restoration of statehood) fought very poorly and were a burden to all their allies. It’s just that these Romans were somehow fabulously lucky to be defeated, but incremented by the land of unfortunate Hungary.
            1. MG42
              +3
              April 30 2013 10: 02
              Quote: Aeneas
              Romania is the enemy. This is a little ridiculous.

              Maybe it's funny (Romanians = Gypsies there were a lot of myself in Romania I saw ... and so shitty Romanians fought in world wars, the Germans put them in the second echelon, however, like the first baptism of fire of the division cc "Galicia" was also from the second echelon .), but they are in NATO.
              With regard to litigation, part of the shelf near the Serpentine island of Romania, Ukraine seized themselves, and will be able to produce there the same gas which is so lacking.
              1. -7
                April 30 2013 15: 55
                And mom didn’t teach punctuation?
                1. -3
                  April 30 2013 16: 19
                  What's wrong again? See for yourself:
                  Maybe it's funny (Romanians = Gypsies there were a lot of myself in Romania I saw ... and so shitty Romanians fought in world wars, the Germans put them in the second echelon, however, like the first baptism of fire of the division cc "Galicia" was also from the second echelon .), but they are in NATO.
                  With regard to litigation, part of the shelf near the Serpentine island of Romania, Ukraine seized themselves, and will be able to produce there the same gas which is so lacking.
                  Found only one comma ...
                  1. +1
                    April 30 2013 16: 29
                    Old captain, did he write something wrong? Perhaps with spelling errors. But in fact, everything is correct. Romanians are shit-warriors, and they will take your island
                    1. -6
                      April 30 2013 16: 43
                      Perhaps with spelling mistakes.
                      Maybe?
                      By sabzh. Romanians are shit-warriors, and they will take our island. Those. are we warriors still shit?
                      1. +1
                        April 30 2013 16: 49
                        We will not allow !!! You can even doubt it!
                      2. +1
                        April 30 2013 17: 08
                        In order for some unwashed gypsies to take away our brother’s territory --- !!!
                      3. 0
                        1 May 2013 21: 07
                        Where are the brothers then ??? !!!
                      4. +1
                        April 30 2013 23: 26
                        Quote: Old_Kapitan
                        Those. are we warriors still shit?

                        Who would doubt that
                    2. 0
                      April 30 2013 16: 50
                      So far, the island has not yet been taken away. And the separation of the economic zone received better than the USSR wanted. The dispute is from that time.
                2. MG42
                  +8
                  April 30 2013 16: 53
                  Quote: Old_Kapitan
                  And mom didn’t teach punctuation?

                  Quote: Old_Kapitan
                  Found only one comma

                  Dear, you are not the administrator of the forum, so I make excuses about spelling, and there isn’t such a thing in the rules.
                  It is you who bring "srach" in the comments with words like "farted" "bastard" "kinushka Mamontova" - well, just a kindergarten, this is enough for Ukrainian. forums are enough - that's the reluctance to simply respond to such comments. hi
                  1. -2
                    April 30 2013 22: 16
                    So in the Criminal Code and UKP and AK there is no rule to write correctly. So, you give general illiteracy?
                    Threat. I don’t bring anything, I just call a spade a spade. Minus further.
                    1. +2
                      April 30 2013 22: 23
                      You say you don’t like Russia? What avatar do you have? Probably your "Zaporozhye"?
    2. Anat1974
      -1
      1 May 2013 19: 15
      I agree completely. It is good that these "unnecessary" servicemen did not become bulls and racketeers, as we did in the 90s. All the same, participation in a PSC is a business on the verge of a foul, and a bandit is a foul with a penalty.
  3. Akim
    +1
    April 30 2013 07: 56
    Quote: Marks
    in 2008 they were with rodents in Ossetia, they have time everywhere!

    Do you have public evidence or is it just the words of your officials, like Miller’s gas re-export?
    1. Denis_SF
      +5
      April 30 2013 08: 14
      Quote: Akim
      Quote: Marks
      in 2008 they were with rodents in Ossetia, they have time everywhere!

      Do you have public evidence or is it just the words of your officials, like Miller’s gas re-export?

      Is this something from the opera: "Not caught - not a thief"? )
      Well, the fact that Independence was actively supplying air defense systems, equipment, weapons, including weakening its military infrastructure, I hope you will not dispute? Accordingly, with any technique, there are specialist instructors who must teach the buying country how to use it all, IMHO they "taught" it, using a living example, so to speak ..
      And even despite the "brotherly" help to the valiant rodents, our army forced the proud Georgians to flee, dropping feces.
      1. Akim
        +2
        April 30 2013 08: 48
        Quote: Denis_SF
        Accordingly, with any equipment there are specialist instructors who must train the buyer country how to use it all,

        Those. it turns out your logic in Syria now fighting Russian experts?
        As for the deliveries of the Buk-M1 air defense system to Georgia. Yes, indeed there were specialists there who trained Georgian operators, but they left back in May 2008, about which the RF Ministry of Defense received confirmation at the time. And everything else is just speculation on public opinion.
        1. +3
          April 30 2013 09: 17
          Quote: Akim
          Yes, there really were specialists who trained Georgian operators, but they left back in May 2008, which the Russian Defense Ministry received confirmation at the time.

          Here is the spec. from the Striy regiment of air defense, which directly shot down Russian planes and received an apartment for this from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:
          1. 0
            April 30 2013 09: 32
            why are you afraid to name your surname first name middle name.
            1. -4
              April 30 2013 09: 39
              Here is the spec. from the Striy regiment of air defense, which directly shot down Russian planes and received an apartment for this from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:

              Will you prove authenticity? Or so, what to fart?
              1. +2
                April 30 2013 23: 40
                Quote: Old_Kapitan
                Or so that would fart

                Rather, now they fart at him from the SVD lobeshnik laughing
            2. Scythian 35
              -3
              April 30 2013 16: 12
              But because the FSB staff member is secret !!!
          2. Skavron
            -4
            April 30 2013 10: 12
            in general, you can shoot any movie ...
          3. Akim
            +3
            April 30 2013 10: 22
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Here is the spec. from the Striy air defense regiment, which directly shot down Russian planes

            I can smash your video to smithereens, but why? You want to believe that Ukrainian officers shot down Russian planes - then it is impossible to convince them otherwise. Apparently, for you personally, a plane shot down by Ukrainians hurts your pride less than if it was shot down by Georgians themselves. This is xenophobia and I do not want to take part in it. The fact that the SAMs left the 223rd SAM Regiment (Stryi) is no longer an open secret.
            1. Nymp
              0
              April 30 2013 16: 01
              Quote: Akim
              You want to believe that Ukrainian officers shot down Russian planes - this is impossible to convince.
              The typical excuse of a naughty first-grader is NOT ME! It’s not me anyway, I don’t admit it anyway! I would like not to believe, but too often in the political arena Ukrainian footsteps are replaced by spitting in the back, or even outright pug barks. It’s the Russians who haven’t seen the “Nezalezhnaya Telebachinya” where Russia and Avn are mixed. And after that you hear from you:
              Quote: Akim
              You want to believe that Ukrainian officers shot down Russian planes - then it’s impossible to convince

              And do not persuade, be they at least like Belarusians-brothers and no one will believe propaganda!
              1. -6
                April 30 2013 16: 06
                To convince a believer is only time to waste. Believe, dear, believe ...
              2. Superbandera
                -5
                1 May 2013 00: 48
                Quote: Nymp
                I would like to disbelieve, but too often in the political arena, the Ukrainian footsteps are replaced by spitting in the back, or even outright pug dogs.

                I will please the magician with daraga. Sro is foreseen not gavchannya, but the most natural slaughter at one of the Moscow stadiums (sorry that not on the red square) Sani "Russian knight" (dumplings) Povetkin by such a Volodymyr Klitschko
                Moreover, Klitschko Jr. will receive 15 million Reichsmarks from the pocket of the Russian taxpayer for this pleasure. And this holiday will be broadcast either on September 7 or 14, depending on the time of the "window" on the "main" channel of the Gauleiter of Russia RTL (a real fact, by the way)
                1. -2
                  1 May 2013 21: 12
                  And is this all that Little Russia can be proud of?
                  1. -1
                    2 May 2013 15: 52
                    Are you minus? don't like the name?
            2. +1
              April 30 2013 23: 44
              Quote: Akim
              You want to believe that Ukrainian officers shot down Russian planes

              There are documentary facts, some specific personalities have been established. Not made public so as not to frighten away the game.
              1. Akim
                -1
                1 May 2013 06: 59
                Quote: voronov
                There are documentary facts, some specific personalities are established.

                When they publish them, you will shout from every corner. Or do you have an uncle in the Prosecutor General's Office and you know everything?
          4. MG42
            +3
            April 30 2013 14: 41
            But I read today's news >>>
            In one of the military units of the Kiev region due to careless handling, the anti-aircraft missile system was damaged 4,08 million hryvnia, the press service of the prosecutor's office of the Central region of Ukraine on compliance with the laws of the military sphere said.

            According to the agency, during the audit it was found that officials of one of the military units did not properly carry out technical inspection and maintenance of the anti-aircraft missile system, as a result of which it was disabled.

            Information on the commission of a criminal offense under Part 2 of Art. 425 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, included in the Unified Register of Pre-trial Investigations.

            http://korrespondent.net/kyiv/1554560-v-kievskoj-oblasti-iz-za-nebrezhnogo-obras

            hcheniya-vyveden-iz-stroya-zenitno-raketnyj-kompleks-stoimostyu
            1. -9
              April 30 2013 16: 09
              But today I read the news

              Happy?
              What then did we teach rodents, if we ourselves are so stupid?
              1. +1
                April 30 2013 23: 48
                Quote: Old_Kapitan
                What then did we teach rodents, if we ourselves are so stupid

                Because there you are, together with them, and ... if everything laughing
          5. +2
            April 30 2013 23: 38
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Here is the spec. from the Striy regiment of air defense, which directly shot down Russian planes and received an apartment for this from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:

            The physiognomy is illuminated, now it is up to our specialists to get him out of this apartment as soon as possible
          6. Colonel RA
            0
            9 June 2013 15: 52
            UKRAINIAN MERCENARIES SURPRISED THE FASCISTS IN CRUELTY This is still Rwanda, 1994
            The Ukrainian elite was enriched in such a cruel way - by killing white rich people in Africa, and taking away their villas, securities, diamonds, cars.
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            wfullscreen> ]
        2. Denis_SF
          0
          April 30 2013 10: 02
          Quote: Akim
          And everything else is just speculation on public opinion.

          Well, yes, yes, "no body - no action." una unso in Chechnya is also just an enchanting speculation of opinions .. I hope you will not ask about the evidence and facts of this.
          1. Akim
            +1
            April 30 2013 10: 46
            Quote: Denis_SF
            Una Unso in Chechnya is also just an enchanting speculation of opinions.

            The fact that UNA-UNSO fought in Chechnya has long been a recognized fact. These are their personal views, not the state. Well, there are Ukrainians who, to put it mildly, do not like Russia. Your views are strange. When our mercenaries fought side by side in Yugoslavia or Transnistria, that’s right, and if the Ukrainian mercenaries were on the other side, the whole country is ENEMY.
            1. +6
              April 30 2013 11: 16
              Quote: Akim
              and if the Ukrainian mercenaries were on the other side-the whole country is ENEMY.

              How else can one feel if in Chechnya these so-called UNA-UNSO killed RUSSIAN soldiers with particular cruelty!!! am angry
              1. +2
                April 30 2013 16: 47
                But how differently it is if in Chechnya these so-called UNA-UNSO with particular cruelty killed RUSSIAN soldiers !!!

                Well, so be it! TO UNA-UNSO. And not to me.
                1. 0
                  2 May 2013 17: 39
                  In your country, there is an openly paramilitary nationalist organization that participates in hostilities. If you calmly talk about it, then you are not much different from them.
            2. Denis_SF
              +1
              April 30 2013 12: 04
              Your views are strange. When our mercenaries fought side by side in Yugoslavia or Transnistria, that’s right, but if the Ukrainian mercenaries were on the other side, the whole country is ENEMY ..

              Well, let’s say that Una Unso didn’t fight side by side in Yugoslavia and Transnistria with ours, they fought against a common enemy, yes, but not side by side. There, the goal was to educate young people, to give young wolf cubs to try blood if you want. Yes, and about the whole country, no one ever said that the ENEMY, and about the people. It’s you yourself taking it out of context.
              1. -4
                April 30 2013 14: 16
                There, the goal was to educate young people, to give young wolf cubs to try blood if you want.

                What are you doing? Was it persecuted right? Ahrenettvat ... Probably himself was an instructor?
              2. Akim
                -5
                April 30 2013 14: 21
                Quote: Denis_SF
                Well, let’s say that Una UNSO never fought side by side in Yugoslavia and Transnistria

                God forbid! Did I say that it was the UNA-UNSO fighters who supplied the Balkans with mercenaries? Or do they represent all of Ukraine? Stay away from them. There are many other parties and other interests. I am even sure that the MiG-23 pilot in Libya could have been Ukrainian by origin, but a Libyan citizen. You simply cannot divide everything into black and white, and that is exactly how you come up with your judgments.
                1. 0
                  April 30 2013 23: 53
                  Quote: Akim
                  divide everything into white and black,

                  You don't understand otherwise
                  1. Akim
                    0
                    1 May 2013 07: 01
                    Quote: voronov
                    You don't understand otherwise

                    To consider oneself smarter than others is the height of ignorance.
            3. Nymp
              +6
              April 30 2013 16: 05
              Quote: Akim
              Transnistria, our mercenaries fought side by side

              I don’t know who fought side by side there, but I know perfectly how Ukraine put an economic blockade on Pridnestrovie. And only because there the Russian-speaking population considers itself a part of the Russian people.
              1. Akim
                +2
                April 30 2013 16: 18
                Quote: Nymp
                I don’t know who fought side by side

                Precisely what you do not know. And as in the Odessa art school barracks for refugees provided too. You watch everything from the visor of politicians. This is disgusting. You probably don’t even know how a humanitarian convoy left for Odessa at the end of August the eighth, which was collected by ordinary citizens. But this is also Ukraine and I never considered Odessa a Russian city. Unless under Catherine II.
                1. 0
                  April 30 2013 23: 55
                  Quote: Akim
                  humanitarian convoy left South Ossetia at the end of August the eighth

                  Russians and organized this help
                  1. -1
                    April 30 2013 23: 58
                    What are you driving !!!
                  2. Akim
                    -5
                    1 May 2013 07: 03
                    Quote: voronov
                    Russians and organized this help

                    You were there? No. And I was there. And not a Russian or even a Russian!
            4. +2
              April 30 2013 23: 51
              Quote: Akim
              if the Ukrainian mercenaries were on the other side-the whole country is ENEMY.

              It is true that you are gutar-free !!! good
              1. EVGEN78
                0
                1 May 2013 02: 24
                Yes. With such brothers and enemies you will not wish. ((
              2. Akim
                -1
                1 May 2013 07: 05
                Quote: voronov
                It is true that you are gutar-free !!

                I can’t even call you brother. The tongue does not turn. I do not need such friends
            5. alexanderrus.
              0
              1 May 2013 19: 19
              IN ANY OTAR, A LASTY SHEEP WILL BE FOUND.
        3. +1
          April 30 2013 23: 35
          Quote: Akim
          indeed there were specialists training Georgian operators, but they left back in May 2008

          Not all of your managed to hit the road, some stayed there to fertilize the earth laughing
      2. -7
        April 30 2013 16: 01
        Accordingly, with any technique, there are specialist instructors who must teach the buying country how to use it all, IMHO they "taught" it, using a living example, so to speak ..
        Proof of! In addition to the cartoon Mamontov and Vyser Kolya O.
      3. +2
        April 30 2013 23: 32
        Quote: DenisSF
        there are specialist instructors

        These specialists from Ukraine in Chechnya were usually not taken prisoner.
      4. Quirtu
        0
        22 May 2013 20: 31
        And what, Ukraine did not have the right to sell weapons to Georgia?
    2. -8
      April 30 2013 09: 29
      He has. Kinushka Mamontova.
      1. -8
        April 30 2013 14: 18
        What are you minus, bastard? Is it true that it hurts my eyes?
        1. Nymp
          +5
          April 30 2013 16: 17
          Quote: Old_Kapitan
          What are you minus, bastard? Is it true that it hurts my eyes?

          For example, I did not minus! Until I read two words in your comet; one can be omitted, it is already loud, and the other is "true". So I consider it a lie, but the truth is what you called "kinushka". I respect Mamontov, I consider him a patriot of Russia! And it's not for you to write dismissively about that. At the same time, I respect your infringed national dignity (in the sense that I understand it humanly), but it is not the Russians who are to blame for this, and not the Mamontov with "kinushka" and your not the fallow government, which lowered the country's prestige to the edge of the plinth.
          1. +1
            April 30 2013 16: 35
            For example, I did not minus!
            Kamrad, I’m not for you. Someone even minuses the remark that punctuation should be put.
            On a subject. You know, Buk supplies and the work of our specialists do not infringe on my national dignity. Russia also sells weapons and sends specialists. The fact that ours shot down Russian planes is only in the cartoon of the "patriot" of Russia and in the report of the "patriot" (the whole who came from nowhere, Lieutenant Colonel Konovalyuk) of Ukraine.
            My national dignity was infringed when Vitya galloped off to skip the godfather Misha. I am ashamed of this.
            1. Nymp
              +1
              April 30 2013 16: 58
              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              My national dignity was infringed when Vitya galloped off to skip the godfather Misha. I am ashamed of this

              Well, I am ashamed that I did not understand your position! (Sorry) These are the things that look like a knife in the back. As for the sale of Beeches, I think the Russians are not so affected by the sale itself (there is logic in your words), but by the fact that in this Caucasian conflict more support was expected from the Slavic people than a kick and footsteps in the form of downed planes! Plus jealousy, when the Ukrainian leader called the Georgians a "brotherly people" as if he spat in the face of the Russians!
            2. 0
              April 30 2013 23: 59
              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              Kamrad, I am not for you

              Che already turned on the back? laughing
        2. 0
          April 30 2013 23: 57
          Quote: Old_Kapitan
          bastard? Is it true that it hurts my eyes?

          Minisuyu I do not choke bile laughing
          1. Quirtu
            0
            22 May 2013 20: 40
            Why do you hate Ukrainians so much? Do you hate independent Belarusians too? And the hatred is so bitter, it even splashes. laughing
    3. +2
      April 30 2013 23: 29
      Quote: Akim
      Do you have public evidence?

      Thing docks in Ossetia and Georgia rot, and even earlier in Chechnya
  4. andsavichev2012
    0
    April 30 2013 08: 11
    "... Therefore, the unresolved issue of mercenarism in the country can be used by other states to discredit Ukraine in the international arena." - You, gee, what is there to discredit, then ????
  5. +2
    April 30 2013 08: 34
    Quote: andsavichev2012
    "... Therefore, the unresolved issue of mercenarism in the country can be used by other states to discredit Ukraine in the international arena." - You, gee, what is there to discredit, then ????

    Indeed, the brothers of the Slavs were sold in Chechnya, they fought against the Russians.
    1. +11
      April 30 2013 09: 45
      right now, these "lumps" from Chechnya are quite respected representatives of the Russian establishment, Heroes of Russia, academicians, presidents.
      1. Heccrbq
        0
        April 30 2013 10: 37
        These chocks will remain for all Russians forever, and they are heroes and academics for a handful of bureaucrats who have nothing to do with the Russian government, they have these relationships with Ber Lazar in the first place. What else can I tell you, my Ukrainian friend, when we will have a Russian president, Sashko Bily and company from unso will go to the expense. Listen, why Ukrainians hate Russians so much (not all of course), I haven’t heard anything the other way around, although you shit Russia like that with shit.
        1. +3
          April 30 2013 16: 15
          These chocks will remain for all Russians forever, and they are heroes and academics for a handful of bureaucrats who have no relation to the Russian government, they have these relations with Ber Lazar in the first place
          Those. if in Russia they give the Hero of Russia to the chock, then the Jews are to blame. And if in Ukraine Yushchenko gives the Hero of Ukraine to Bandera, then Ukrainians are to blame. Did I understand correctly?
      2. +1
        1 May 2013 00: 01
        Quote: Aeneas
        right now, these "lumps" from Chechnya are quite respected representatives of the Russian establishment, Heroes of Russia, academicians, presidents.

        Understand yourself first before climbing to us
      3. +1
        1 May 2013 21: 21
        They betrayed the army in the Kremlin, forgot (did you know?) The heroes of those two wars ... You are right that the laurels went to those with whom they fought.
    2. BAT
      0
      April 30 2013 13: 19
      The President of Chechnya, Hero of Russia Ramzan Kadyrov, also fought against the Russians in the first Chechen war. And he also killed our boys. Interestingly, didn’t he get a hero for this?
      But there were mercenaries. are and always will be. And mercenaries are not only Ukrainians or Americans. There are enough mercenaries everywhere among Russians, and among Ukrainians, and among Georgians, Moldovans, and many others ...
  6. vkusniikorj
    -10
    April 30 2013 08: 49
    these are screams from the category of "LOW". The mercenary is the same profession as everyone else.
    It’s banned in Russia because, God forbid, they learn to fight, bring weapons and threaten the authorities! What kind of power is it if it is afraid of its own people? OPPOSITION !!!!!!!!
    1. +6
      April 30 2013 09: 04
      Quote: vkusniikorj
      a mercenary is the same profession as everyone else.


      Continue on: the same profession as everyone:
      - the thieves
      - rapists
      - infanticides
      .....
      When were these mercenaries their own people, which the authorities should not be afraid of?
      State Department crap drank? Are your brains completely dry?
      1. -5
        April 30 2013 09: 48
        Peter the Great invited thieves, rapists and child murderers from the German principalities and transformed Russia. even Napoleon almost became a mercenary of the Russian army.
    2. Misantrop
      +6
      April 30 2013 09: 46
      Quote: vkusniikorj
      these are screams from the category of "LOW". The mercenary is the same profession as everyone else.

      Will we remember about "white tights" (sniper mercenaries from the Baltic states) in Transnistria and Chechnya? They, too, "just made money" ...
    3. +2
      April 30 2013 13: 15
      Quote: vkusniikorj
      It’s banned in Russia because, God forbid, they learn to fight, bring weapons and threaten the authorities! What kind of power is it if it is afraid of its own people? OPPOSITION !!!!!!!!


      In December 1989, the United Nations adopted the Convention on the Prohibition of the Recruitment, Use, Financing and Training of Mercenaries. Unlike Additional Protocol I, the 1989 Convention refers to the category of mercenaries not only as individuals directly involved in armed conflicts, but also, which is essential, those who are recruited to participate in preplanned acts of violence. According to this Convention, states should not recruit, use, finance and train mercenaries, including for purposes contrary to the right of peoples to self-determination and are obliged to prohibit and prevent such actions.
      That is, mercenarism is a criminal offense throughout the world. Any mercenary, recruiter and organization using mercenaries, the state are recognized as war criminals and are subject to trial, including international ...
  7. +1
    April 30 2013 09: 02
    So, another 22 February 2011 year in american sources There was information that Ukrainian pilots piloted Libyan MiGs

    So, in particular, 23 August in one of the social networks American journalist wrote that in one of the battles, the Libyan rebels managed to capture at least 10-11 mercenaries from Ukraine

    Representatives of the Transitional National Council made a statement that during the fighting for one of the metropolitan areas, about two hundred mercenaries from African countries were detained, as well as about 15 of Ukrainian sniper mercenaries

    In the last quote "Representatives of the National Transitional Council" whose? With whose light hand the bloody carnage was unleashed? Is Major Afonya to blame again for Ukraine?
  8. AK-47
    +4
    April 30 2013 09: 05
    ... employees of private military companies periodically take part in armed conflicts abroad ...

    These private companies must be outlawed because they differ little from pirates.
    1. -5
      April 30 2013 09: 14
      These private companies must be outlawed because they differ little from pirates.

      But why? Pirates pirate, and these "companies" are registered somewhere, pay taxes somewhere ... Or do not pay ... They put the necessary envelope ...
  9. +7
    April 30 2013 09: 27
    Europe (France) actively used the foreign legion and no one even yelled at them. Set an example - now let them not be offended. Personally, I am against mercenarism, because I think that there is a big difference between a person who goes to kill just for money and someone who fights for some idea or on the instructions of his state. IMHO, of course. "Private military company" !!! How is it officially registered? Why is it created? Or does the state “make a brick in the face” and declare “we don’t know anything. This is all business of private traders”? Convenient position!
    1. 0
      1 May 2013 21: 30
      Officially, this is a private security company that accompanies cargo and guards objects. Currently, there are about 1 million mercenaries in private armies. About 200 is now in Iraq, where they have more losses than NATO troops.
    2. +1
      1 May 2013 22: 10
      - "Against mercenarism" is strong, but ... your son (brother, husband, God forbid) is sent to fight ... "on the instructions of the state"! I'm ready to replace them, "just for the money" - are you still against?
  10. 0
    April 30 2013 09: 33
    Fidget, I put you a plus. Because there is nothing to add ....
  11. 12061973
    +2
    April 30 2013 09: 46
    they fought in Ichkeria, of course, didn’t fight a lot, but Udugov made a sensation on this.
  12. +1
    April 30 2013 10: 03
    All if nothing, if not for the support of the Ukrainian mercenaries who fought on the side of Chechen terrorists and Georgians on the part of the Ukrainian state, and this is already an act of hostility and somewhat aggression on the part of Ukraine towards Russia. Just then do not be offended if that, we harness for a long time ... In general, the Anglo-Saxons are in ecstasy because the Slavs kill each other ... It's sad from all this ...
    1. +9
      April 30 2013 10: 39
      Quote: gecko
      All-nothing if not for the support of Ukrainian mercenaries who fought on the side of Chechen terrorists and Georgians

      You better clean out who helped the Chechens, who signed a truce with them, who sold weapons to them from your warehouses, who sold their own soldiers into slavery. And then harness it.
      1. 0
        1 May 2013 00: 05
        Quote: Kars
        You better clean your

        We’ll figure it out without you
      2. 0
        1 May 2013 19: 44
        In every society there are moral lessons that will transcend any morality beyond 30 pieces of silver, and Russia, unfortunately, is no exception.
        Ah, if it were just mercenaries, but many things were done with the active support of Ukrainian officials, which means the official state of Ukraine. I don’t think that most normal Ukrainians want to kill Russians. You read what you want to read, the main emphasis was placed on my support of these outrages by the government, most of which Americans bought through various non-governmental organizations, there is a simple bleeding, as they say divide et impera.
    2. 0
      April 30 2013 12: 54
      Quote: gecko
      All if nothing, if not for the support of the Ukrainian mercenaries who fought on the side of Chechen terrorists and Georgians on the part of the Ukrainian state, and this is already an act of hostility and somewhat aggression on the part of Ukraine towards Russia. Just then do not be offended if that, we harness for a long time ... In general, the Anglo-Saxons are in ecstasy because the Slavs kill each other ... It's sad from all this ...

      Listen to what attitude the state of Ukraine bears for the fact that someone went to fight in a mercenary army? Was this an official position to send military experts? On the supply of weapons, was Georgia banned by international sanctions on the supply of weapons? Or Georgia officially declared that it was going to fight with Russia and asked to put weapons to it? And when Russia supplies weapons to Syria and Iran, then it turns out Russia is also a criminal because Europe is against it? And what about Russian mercenaries in Libya, Syria in Africa? Are they heroes or is it the official position of Russia to send mercenaries?
      Do not confuse the citizen’s right to go wherever he wants and do what he considers necessary, even if it is immoral, with the official position of the state.
      If tomorrow a person with Russian citizenship travels and blows up a house in Belarus, then according to your logic, is all of Russia and its citizens to blame?
  13. +6
    April 30 2013 10: 05
    Everyone earns as they can, better as a mercenary under shoe polish somewhere in Africa than as a raider with a stocking on his head in Ukraine. Only if they get caught, let them not complain.


    there’s also a good way to participate in UN and NATO military operations. But to get there you have to go to serve in the army, and even bring a bribe. But it’s legal, and they’ll not throw money with me
    1. +1
      1 May 2013 00: 06
      Quote: Kars
      there is also a good way to participate in UN and NATO military operations

      Here, there are such "warriors" like you are waiting for laughing
      1. 0
        1 May 2013 08: 20
        Quote: voronov
        Here, there are such "warriors" like you are waiting for

        I don’t complain about life, and I have enough money for bread with butter and caviar. Housing is provided, an official motor vehicle with a driver - why should I go somewhere.

        And some will not hurt
  14. +1
    April 30 2013 10: 58
    Mercenaries, i.e. non-citizens of the country they serve in any form of organization: private or public should be outlawed. The Convention on Prisoners of War should not apply to them, then everyone who wants to try mercenaries will not be unfit to deal with this dirty business.
    1. Akim
      +1
      April 30 2013 14: 26
      French Foreign Legion, i.e. outside the law? And I remember in the early 2000s they offered to get Russian citizenship by serving three years in hot spots (Chechnya, Dagestan). And what should we call it then? After all, the incentive for a mercenary is not only material.
  15. +6
    April 30 2013 11: 04
    Before the outbreak of the war on 08.08.08/06.08.08/140074, a message appeared in the Ukrainian press: "A group of Ukrainian special forces will conduct exercises in Georgia on the basis of a mountain training center located near the city of Sachkhere. This was reported today by the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, noting that an" international course of mountain infantry training ". The message is dated XNUMX. This is so, information for reflection. Source http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/XNUMX/.
    1. +7
      April 30 2013 11: 18
      Quote: Evgenx
      The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, noting that an "international course of mountain infantry training" has begun in the said center. The message is dated 06.08.08. This is so, information for reflection.

      Well, it’s necessary, but here the representatives of Ukraine said to me that there was no proof, and here the man himself threw a link with an independent link. There are different people hi
      1. -3
        April 30 2013 13: 30
        Dp, different ... There are also pranks. Pay attention to the "source".
        Source http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/140074/.
    2. +3
      April 30 2013 20: 01
      Quote: Evgenx
      Before the outbreak of the war on 08.08.08/06.08.08/140074, a message appeared in the Ukrainian press: "A group of Ukrainian special forces will conduct exercises in Georgia on the basis of a mountain training center located near the city of Sachkhere. This was reported today by the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, noting that an" international course of mountain infantry training ". The message is dated XNUMX. This is so, information for reflection. Source http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/XNUMX/.

      yes and it's true so what? the teaching, if I remember well, would be in September!
      Quote: Evgenx
      "international course of mountain infantry training".

      even right now! and there were no Ukrainian mercenaries in the 2008 year! like the Americans were not there))
      1. 0
        April 30 2013 20: 09
        Dur-ak --- a fool. Everyone knows everything — you only found yourself! It’s your saka who begged Yushchenko, help me, brother! Yes, and it’s kind of softer to say --- learn Russian (you will need)
        1. 0
          April 30 2013 20: 17
          Quote: Den 11
          Dur-ak --- a fool. Everyone knows everything - you only found yourself!

          no one does not know everything! this is the same nonsense as the Sea Battle in the Black Sea! like Iraq had a Chemical Oreuzh (or Atominaya I don’t remember)
      2. +1
        April 30 2013 20: 25
        And our instability in the Caucasus is largely due to you. Nothing, the time will come and everyone will answer! And we will hang your saku for Faberge!
        1. 0
          April 30 2013 20: 51
          Quote: Den 11
          And our instability in the Caucasus is largely due to you. Nothing, the time will come and everyone will answer! And we will hang your saku for Faberge!

          Everyone is to blame! and everyone has their own balance!
  16. ded_73
    +3
    April 30 2013 11: 13
    And that no one recalls that, together with the citizens of Ukraine and Belarus, who received long sentences in Libya, a Russian citizen was sentenced to life imprisonment as the coordinator of the group. Or is he there, like a tourist? And Ukrainians are mercenaries, of course ...
    1. Algor73
      0
      April 30 2013 11: 50
      So they’re not from Ukraine, why should they ...
  17. +1
    April 30 2013 11: 20
    Again, the Russians and the Russian Ukrainians went .... Tired of it.
  18. waisson
    +2
    April 30 2013 11: 35
    people who are not able to realize themselves in their state are looking for a way to realize their abilities on the side
  19. vkrav
    +5
    April 30 2013 11: 42
    Yes, what the hell are "mercenaries"? Under Yushcha, they simply summoned them to the military registration and enlistment office and offered them to "work as an instructor for foreign currency," while the x_o_Khlovoyaks were offered to go on a "long, well-paid business trip" - mostly to Georgia ... x_o_x_ly are the cheapest - poverty because.
    1. -1
      April 30 2013 13: 34
      Yes? In which, to whom, when?
      1. -1
        April 30 2013 14: 42
        Why are you minus that? I just asked for clarification: in which military enlistment office, to whom and when.
    2. Akim
      0
      April 30 2013 14: 36
      Quote: vkrav
      Under Yushcha, they simply called in the military registration and enlistment office and offered "work

      Do you personally know this? And I can say that there was no such thing. And the truth will be on the side who wants to believe in anything. In the top video, I liked how a storekeeper could become a Georgian mechanic-driver. Rave.
    3. Scythian 35
      -2
      April 30 2013 16: 45
      warrior, first go to school to be offered something. For chicoladas in Georgia, they offered to work as an instructor laughing Lord !!! and where are they cloned !!!
  20. +4
    April 30 2013 11: 57
    But do not quarrel. Most of the comments here sin with prime incompetence or deceit! Of course, mercenarism can be spontaneous, so to speak ... with the connivance of the state if it meets the interests of this state! It may well be organized if it meets the interests of this state even more! Military supplies, instructors, mercenaries, exercises, etc. this is a very specific state policy in this particular place!
    Do not quarrel because faces here quarreling de facto on one side! It’s just a shame for one ... politics, while others hurt! As children. Look at the root guys!
  21. BAT
    +4
    April 30 2013 13: 31
    Prapor Afonya] Indeed, brothers of the Slavs were sold in Chechnya, with a mind ... they fought against the Russians. [/ Quote]
    The President of Chechnya, Hero of Russia Ramzan Kadyrov, also fought against the Russians in the first Chechen war. And he also killed our boys. Interestingly, didn’t he get a hero for this?
    But there were mercenaries. are and always will be. And mercenaries are not only Ukrainians or Americans. There are enough mercenaries everywhere among Russians, and among Ukrainians, and among Georgians, Moldovans, and many others ... [/ quote]
  22. +1
    April 30 2013 13: 42
    And if I sign up for volunteers for Assad in Syria. I will be whose traitor? In the eyes of the bulk of the population of Russia, a hero. And in the United States, the bastard is paramount. Everyone has their own interests!
    1. Scythian 35
      -9
      April 30 2013 16: 48
      You will not be a hero in Russia, you are fighting for Muslims, then excuse this opinion of the Russian population, pa ... la.
      1. +2
        1 May 2013 00: 16
        Quote: Scythian 35
        You will not be a hero in Russia, you are fighting for Muslims

        For information, Russia is a multinational state with several religious denominations, Muslims are the second largest after the Orthodox. I don’t know how it is in Ukraine, but in Russia when conferring the title of Hero of Russia, membership in a particular religious denomination is not taken into account
        1. Scythian 35
          0
          2 May 2013 00: 22
          I'm talking about anti-Muslim sentiments in Russia itself.
          1. Die-hard
            0
            2 May 2013 00: 35
            More likely anti-Caucasian.
            And they often come from Muslims - especially the Tatars do not like them.
  23. georg737577
    -2
    April 30 2013 13: 42
    Guys, everyone earns as they can. And there will always be "soldiers of fortune" who don't care who to shoot ...
    1. -2
      April 30 2013 13: 48
      The only difference --- I wouldn’t shoot at hoh-lov. And the Arabs --- yes, fuck you will understand who is right, who is not
      1. +1
        April 30 2013 14: 12
        Quote: Den 11
        The only difference --- I wouldn’t shoot at hoh-lov. And the Arabs --- yes, fuck you will understand who is right, who is not

        Smiled. Will you ask for a passport?
        1. +2
          April 30 2013 14: 33
          Why the hell smile here? We'll sort it out with our swear words.
      2. Akim
        0
        April 30 2013 14: 39
        Quote: Den 11
        The only difference --- in hoh-lov shoot-would not

        At a distance of 200 meters you can not distinguish nationality. And the pilot of the plane or the air defense operator do not care at all.
      3. 0
        1 May 2013 00: 19
        Quote: Den 11
        I wouldn’t shoot at hoh-lov

        If the enemy, why not shoot, but be sure to be the first soldier
  24. +7
    April 30 2013 13: 53
    The bastard has no nationality. And mercenaries have always been and most likely will be!
    1. 0
      1 May 2013 00: 26
      Golden words!
    2. 0
      2 May 2013 17: 24
      They will be if you do not fight this phenomenon, you cannot bring the problem to a critical state ...
  25. 0
    April 30 2013 14: 10
    The only difference --- I wouldn’t shoot at hoh-lov. And the Arabs --- yes, fuck you will understand who is right, who is not

    I would. They don’t show the passport in sight.
    1. 0
      April 30 2013 14: 14
      Then the counter-question: Would you start shooting at Mos-ka-la, of Finno-Ugric nationality? And if you are a Tatar, a Bashkir with a Russian passport? (Your opinion about us is just interesting)
      1. +1
        April 30 2013 14: 35
        Quote: Den 11
        Then the counter-question: Would you start shooting at Mos-ka-la, of Finno-Ugric nationality? And if you are a Tatar, a Bashkir with a Russian passport? (Your opinion about us is just interesting)

        Forgive me, of course, but you either do not have a clue not only about the military operations, but about the army in general, or you went here to troll.
      2. 0
        April 30 2013 14: 40
        Then the counter-question: Would you start shooting at Mos-la-la?
        Why not? If he came to my house and wants to kill me.
        1. 0
          April 30 2013 14: 48
          Nobody is going to come to your house with evil intentions! It's just interesting to me how brainwashed you are, that we have become enemies for you. Plan of A. Dulles in action!
          1. Akim
            +1
            April 30 2013 15: 04
            Quote: Den 11
            I just wonder how brainwashed you are, that we have become enemies for you

            You know. After Tuzla, I began to have doubts about the sincerity of Russian politicians (I have not believed my own for a long time). And the SOLDIER will do what they tell him. I doubt that in a hypothetical skirmish you will refuse to obey the order, because there will be "brothers-Slavs" in the trench
            1. +1
              April 30 2013 15: 18
              Believe me, our president wants to create a regional superpower. And hohlov I won’t shoot for one simple reason --- my mother-in-law is half Ukrainian (her mother from Ivano-Frankivsk lived all her life with a Tatar, gave birth to him 3- x children). Personally, I’m like brothers, but I won’t be responsible for the rest
              1. Akim
                0
                April 30 2013 15: 44
                Quote: Den 11
                Believe me, our president wants to create

                What your President wants to create is visible to the blind. But if you call people that way, I don't think I will reach out to you. Or as a wheelchair user at Putin's press conference: "Are we worse than Ukraine?" No need to look down or say grandiose phrases. The military should be deprived of this.
                1. 0
                  April 30 2013 15: 57
                  Who names? Addresses, appearances, passwords (it’s possible in PM) - they’ll answer for the bazaar! Believe me, finally, the majority of the population have absolutely good (I would even say, love (you have beautiful girls)) feelings
                  1. Akim
                    0
                    April 30 2013 16: 00
                    Quote: Den 11
                    A hoh-lov I will not shoot

                    Look in the mirror. It would be a shame to me a citizen of Ukraine.
                  2. -1
                    1 May 2013 00: 24
                    Quote: Den 11
                    (you have beautiful girls))

                    And most importantly cheap love
                    1. Akim
                      -4
                      1 May 2013 07: 09
                      Quote: voronov
                      And most importantly cheap

                      And just like that (for free) no one gives? belay
          2. -3
            April 30 2013 16: 52
            Do not glue foolishness. I said - IF. And you’re going, not going to - it’s rubber for me.
        2. 0
          1 May 2013 00: 22
          Quote: Old_Kapitan
          Why not? If he came to my house and wants to kill me

          Don’t be afraid, we’ll come to visit you in tanks drinks
          1. Akim
            -4
            1 May 2013 07: 17
            Quote: voronov
            Don’t be afraid, we’ll come to visit you in tanks

            If you accept your rules of the game ...
            Our armored train always stands on a siding!
            RPG-7T
            650 mm per DZ. Firing range 450 meters.
            1. MG42
              +2
              2 May 2013 18: 00
              Quote: Akim
              Our armored train always stands on a siding!
              RPG-7T
              650 mm per DZ. Firing range 450 meters.

              Akim, are you really ready to shoot at Russian tanks?
              I think that not everyone shares this point of view in Ukraine, but a minority, only Galicians with brainwashed will shoot.
              1. Akim
                +1
                2 May 2013 18: 18
                Quote: MG42
                Akim, are you really ready to shoot at Russian tanks?

                If they come "to visit" like this, I will shoot. I have a good attitude towards Russia and Russians (though I don't consider it my Fatherland). But if they enter my land and the Motherland orders, I will go and defend it. Orders are not discussed. (According to the charter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ONLY CRIMINAL ORDERS CAN NOT BE CARRIED OUT). If so, God forbid it happens, the majority will do so. So that you don't mislead yourself. Remember Moscow, October 93. One country. And here we have been living in different apartments for 22 years. A whole generation has grown up.
                1. MG42
                  +3
                  2 May 2013 18: 34
                  Quote: Akim
                  According to the charter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ONLY CRIMINAL ORDERS MAY NOT BE PERFORMED). If so, God forbid, this will do the majority. So that you do not mislead yourself

                  If they call me to bring down Russian planes from the reserve for such a war, then I will consider it just for a criminal order, let it go all through the forest ...
                  Quote: Akim
                  Remember Moscow, October 93rd. One country. And here we’ve been living in different apartments for 22 years. A whole generation has grown.

                  As for the new generation, I can’t judge what’s on their mind.

                  P / S think Voronov was just joking about visiting tanks look at the smiley, and you immediately with RPG-7 No.
                  1. Akim
                    0
                    2 May 2013 18: 59
                    Quote: MG42
                    Voronov simply joked about visiting tanks, look at the smile,

                    If you are told that you are K ... l, and then after that they say that this is a joke, you will be offended at least. Here is his phrase at the same level.
                    As for criminal orders. If two states are at war and you will be called up from stock, then not fulfilling the order is subject to criminal punishment. Art. 362 - if I am not mistaken. And then your moral right. Therefore, when the top video shows how the military enlistment office for Georgian aggression is being called up, it’s a lie that can not be described. This simply cannot be legally because the military commissar faces from 3 to 5. Nobody will ass for his own sake, for the sake of such a risk, especially knowing that there is a strong opposition in the form of the Party of Regions (about 2008).
                    1. +1
                      2 May 2013 19: 18
                      Quote: Akim
                      then this is a joke, at least you will be offended.

                      Do not pay attention to the user with a nickname from the German machine gun.

                      as for orders, I took the oath to Ukraine. And as they say, I will return to my native Geocint, not by gifts I painted him so much.
                    2. MG42
                      +2
                      2 May 2013 20: 13
                      Quote: Akim
                      If you are told that you are K ... l, and then after that they say that this is a joke, you will be offended at least.

                      Inappropriate comparison.
                      I have relatives in Russia >>> I think the war between Ukraine and Russia is absolutely delusional.
                      Quote: Akim
                      Nobody will ass for his own sake, for the sake of such a risk, especially knowing that there is a strong opposition in the form of the Party of Regions (about 2008).

                      By the way, if Yanukovych gives such an order, he perfectly understands what this will lead to, at least he won’t sit in his chair, because he was chosen by the pro-Russian electorate in the wake of improving relations with Russia and he was victorious in short of life, so he would bully
                      1. Akim
                        0
                        2 May 2013 20: 23
                        I think the war between Ukraine and Russia is completely crazy.
                        Quote: MG42
                        By the way, if Yanukovych gives such an order

                        This is not the same plane. Only the Supreme Council can declare war or mobilization. Even calling up from the reserves is possible only by decision of the National Security and Defense Council, with the consent of the Supreme Council. You have the wrong idea. In order to launch such a mechanism, a number of large procedures are necessary (and not the decision of one madman). Previously, it was difficult to call up even soldiers and equipment from the army, with one stroke of the pen, to eliminate man-made disasters.
                        I think the war between Ukraine and Russia is completely crazy.

                        This is the lyrics. In the 88th year, only in a nightmare, could a war be dreamed with Georgia.
                      2. MG42
                        +2
                        2 May 2013 20: 35
                        Quote: Akim
                        You have the wrong idea.

                        The Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine = the president, as he says = so the NSDC will vote, and in the Rada he has a majority >>> but he will not say this, I wrote above why.
                        The entire vertical of power ends on Yanukovych, even though the judicial one at least legislatively steers one person. in Ukraine, everything else is a formality.
                      3. Akim
                        -1
                        2 May 2013 20: 46
                        Quote: MG42
                        The whole vertical of power ends on Yanukovych

                        What does Fedorovich have to do with it? I spoke about the procedure. Yanukovych did not receive the post for life. I told you about the correctness of the procedure, and you are trying to switch it to the political situation. Who is FOR and who is AGAINST today. No need to extrapolate to the present time. God forbid this will never happen.
                      4. MG42
                        +1
                        2 May 2013 21: 09
                        Do not pay attention to

                        Yes kars you are a master of talking to yourself. Okay, rest, your position is clear, since you took the Ukrainian oath = it means you are young and you are part of that same young generation with brainwashed, though you are not a Galician, how the Russians personally have offended you so much is unclear...
                      5. Akim
                        0
                        2 May 2013 21: 19
                        Quote: MG42
                        just took the oath to Ukraine = young means and you enter the very generation young with brainwashed,

                        Those who took the oath of allegiance only to the people of Ukraine are up to 40 years old. Not so young. I enter this age. My classmates retire after 5-6 years.
                      6. +1
                        2 May 2013 21: 22
                        I personally 31. And about the brainwashed - whoever said. Or have an opinion that does not coincide with Hitler's scythe it’s brainwashed right away))) typical thinking .. strange people .. As for salting --- then I’ll be Romanians or Poles with Turks shoot half-piglets with the same feeling. (Rather, bring and install the fuse)
                      7. 0
                        2 May 2013 22: 08
                        Once again, if it is not clear = 42 age


                        and the name machingeverrey)))))))
                        what about Hitler’s braid’s hands is a household name
                      8. MG42
                        +1
                        2 May 2013 22: 03
                        Once again, if it is not clear = 42 age >>> the machine gun is written across the dash to be precise, but about Hitler’s braid, we have already discussed once with you how much you can walk in circles.
                        Or again bring a portrait of Hitler with a scythe Tymoshenko Julia? wassat I think enough.
                        As for such a weapon, it does not, by itself, shoot, but someone’s hands.
                        In short, enough to drive empty = this topic has really fed me.
                      9. MG42
                        0
                        2 May 2013 22: 18
                        Comrade, Kars, >>> re-read that thread you know which one = we have already discussed everything on this topic. TOPIC CLOSED.
                        Are you stuck. I'm not going to answer more on this topic. Waste of time.
  26. +1
    April 30 2013 15: 12
    Quote: vkusniikorj
    these are screams from the category of "LOW". The mercenary is the same profession as everyone else.
    It’s banned in Russia because, God forbid, they learn to fight, bring weapons and threaten the authorities! What kind of power is it if it is afraid of its own people? OPPOSITION !!!!!!!!

    In Russia they already know how to fight! If you don't believe me, check it out am
    1. 0
      1 May 2013 00: 27
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      In Russia they already know how to fight! If you don't believe me, check it out

      Many of our neighbors and ex-brothers somewhere combed something, it's time to remind them am
  27. Stalinets
    +1
    April 30 2013 15: 22
    Baroness Sion !!!!! I'm crying ..... laughing
  28. +3
    April 30 2013 15: 39
    One can only agree with those who do not divide mercenaries by nationality, who objectively say that in the case of explicit or implicit support for mercenarism on the part of the state, the discussion does not fit within the framework of this article, that depending on personal opinion, persons participating in international military conflicts will be perceived either as mercenaries or as volunteers.

    Another question, whether it concerns Russian-Ukrainian relations, or not. Everything is clear here - the participation of UNA-UNSO in the events in the Caucasus, for most of us, is associated with mercenaries and inveterate nationalists. But, when we begin to discuss the participation of Ukrainians on the side of Gaddafi’s forces, the question arises, but what would be better if they were on the side of the opposition? Then you can condemn the volunteers in Yugoslavia and Transnistria.
    I wonder why the author forgot to include in the article that there are examples of the fight against mercenarism in Ukraine - http://kiyany.obozrevatel.com/news/2008/12/30/50947.htm

    In general, when such articles are thrown on the site, the idea arises that this is a malicious action, because the community’s reaction is known in advance.

    It is surprising when the participation of the Ukrainian army in joint exercises with NATO, within the framework of international programs, causes a stormy reaction. Okay, if the Belarusians were talking about this (they are really "pure white" in this matter), but both Russia and Kazakhstan also participate in these or similar programs of military cooperation with NATO!

    And finally, the last, although much more can be said.
    I don’t know if anyone has the habit of looking at the author’s links, I always look at not only links, but also similar articles. I don’t know why to post the article here, but use the search and you will be satisfied - 90% of the article is pure plagiarism, more like (like many other articles) an abstract. However, see for yourself.

    http://2000.net.ua/2000/derzhava/ekspertiza/75435
    http://www.anti-orange-ua.com.ru/content/view/2221/42/
    http://styknews.info/novyny/ekonomika/2013/03/07/khto-zatsikavlenyi-v-garmatnomu
    -miasi-z-ukrainy-na-chuzhykh-viinakh

    In general, an interesting author (I will leave plagiarism alone) - apparently everything is in order in the Ukrainian army, or an author deeply in the topic of the Russian army, if he wrote an article - "Valery Boval, on the tasks of military-patriotic education in Russia."
    http://zema.su/blog/valerii-boval-o-zadachakh-voenno-patrioticheskogo-vospitaniy
    av-rossii.
    1. Akim
      0
      April 30 2013 15: 56
      Vadim, Boval has all such articles. Apparently they pay him extra for attendance of his writings.
      1. Nymp
        +1
        April 30 2013 17: 17
        Kim, you Odessa residents who gathered help in South Ossetia touched, made you feel this strong argument (given the frenzied propaganda in the Ukrainian media in 2008 against Russia). But I never doubted the presence of such people in Ukraine. I see that there are many such Little Russians. (therefore I love this site, it rallies) My harsh statement is not addressed to such people (I must apologize to them) but to the policy of the state as a whole. After all, there must be responsible persons who gave commands and orders! And they famously covered themselves with excuses for patriotism such as you, for example! So they skillfully use you and continuing what they call an independent policy!
        1. Akim
          0
          April 30 2013 18: 19
          Quote: Nymp
          (given that frenzied propaganda in Ukrainian media in 2008 against Russia).

          There was no propaganda. Again the wrong information. This is an excerpt from the program on the central television channel of Ukraine, just two months later.

          As for the Little Russians. I am not a Ukrainian by nationality, but a citizen of Ukraine, and was born from the USSR in Ukraine. Now I live in Ukraine. I was not in the RSFSR, but I was in modern Russia. She personally never did anything good to me. Why should I love her fatherly? Ukraine is my small Motherland (the USSR, unfortunately long ago), and therefore all statements against it seem insulting to me. But I try not to get into politics. I am military and once took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine. It may sound pathetic, but any threat to my country (on either side) is still a threat.
          1. 0
            April 30 2013 18: 37
            You’re a bad warrior (don’t be offended) if you don’t know how to think wider! For example, everything is clear to the old captain (people clearly understand and are far from dumb). You need to try to get into the source of the problem, but it’s not so easy, some try to translate it to the political plane. It's stupid.
            1. Akim
              0
              April 30 2013 18: 45
              Quote: Den 11
              For example, everything is clear to the old captain (

              Maybe because I'm not old? laughing
              1. 0
                April 30 2013 18: 49
                Do you come here under different logins (nicknames)?
                1. Akim
                  +1
                  April 30 2013 18: 59
                  What for? I come here with an open visor. I don’t even want to change my nickname. I speak under him, and with the Indians and Poles, not worrying that this is my name.
                  PS I lost in a computer photo where a sea of ​​flowers and candles near the walls of the Russian Embassy in Odessa on a terrorist attack in Beslan. But I can’t find it in Neta. (Some of them were mine))
                  1. 0
                    April 30 2013 19: 09
                    Old_Kapitan --- it's not YOU? Thank you (sincerely) for your sympathy, believe these CREWS (ALL !!!) have already suffered a well-deserved punishment!
                    1. Akim
                      +1
                      April 30 2013 19: 20
                      Quote: Den 11
                      Old_Kapitan --- is it NOT YOU?

                      No, not me. I said: I do not understand the point of entering under different names. Maybe someone wants to increase their rating?
                      1. 0
                        April 30 2013 19: 29
                        For the thousandth time I say, we need to build an empire together! As it is written in the Bible: "from the dust and ashes we will revive our culture and our customs"
                      2. Akim
                        -1
                        April 30 2013 19: 45
                        Quote: Den 11
                        For the thousandth time I say, we need to build an empire together!

                        This is already politics. I got into this topic because it concerns the army and retirees. And it happened to me very close a long time ago. I do not participate in discussions of politics, I have had enough of it. So this is apparently a rare case when we crossed paths. I am more attracted to military topics.
                      3. 0
                        April 30 2013 19: 51
                        I absolutely agree with you — well, it’s in the liver this policy! And the military theme also impresses me. Regarding World War II (this is my favorite topic), I’m ready to discuss with you any topic.
                    2. 0
                      April 30 2013 22: 08
                      My God, why did you decide that I would hide? It just so happened that Akim and I perceive what is happening in the same way.
          2. Nymp
            0
            April 30 2013 19: 07
            Quote: Akim
            There was no propaganda. Again the wrong information.

            Kim, don't! I myself watched the Ukrainian news in which the aggressor country is still a mild definition towards Russia, but in general phrases like "the fascist Putin-Medvedev regime" were pronounced with ease as a matter of course. What are you showing an excerpt from the humorous program "Quarter-95"? This is not a political program! Well, stick KVN here! Why are you? I've already begun to take you seriously.
            1. Akim
              +2
              April 30 2013 19: 16
              The thing is that "95th quarter" in Ukraine talks only about politics. I'm already disgusted to watch it (I like "Uralskie pelmeni" more). And there are different channels and many of them have been talking nonsense of this nature. Who pays them money? I would (and I don't think I'm the only one) tear apart the host of "5th channel" who said on September 2, 2004: "Rebels in Beslan seized a school yesterday."
  29. Nymp
    +4
    April 30 2013 16: 44
    What do Russians want from a state that has been striving for Europeans for 21 years as lackeys? (and this is still an honorable place, half of the former republics would have fought for it) "Eurointegration" is the word that caresses the Ukrainian ear. It does not leave the pages of the independent press and television! At the same time, not many people (and they are in Ukraine, and I respect them very much) understand that this notorious European integration and the word sovereignty are different things. But such people are immediately called misdirected M OSka La mi. Although all they want is real independence! (Although my point of view as a Russian person is the opposite) But these people are much smaller. And it is on such media (+ school anti-Russian program) that a whole generation has been brought up in 21 years. Hence the mercenaries, without any ideology and morality! WHAT DO YOU WANT? This is also the fault of our Russian government, which is losing the ideological, information war unleashed against Russia by the West, and Ukraine is used in this war as a powerful weapon against disobedient Russians. Only it seems to me that the Russians have already begun to develop immunity against these weapons, it's funny that this offends the Ukrainians! I would apologize but only to the Little Russians and not the Ukrainians.
  30. -3
    April 30 2013 17: 14
    But such people are immediately referred to as sent by M OSKA La mi.
    You will laugh, but no one calls me that. On the contrary, 99% agree with me ...
  31. +4
    April 30 2013 17: 49
    In short, the dispute is nothing. Everyone understands each other perfectly (Russians and Ukrainians), but everyone shows their "majesty". We need to understand one thing - We are one community (I wanted to say ethnos, but everything is too twisted here). You need to build a common super- empire! Otherwise we will be "devoured" one by one
    1. +3
      April 30 2013 18: 08
      Plusonul. Although I do not agree with everything. Russia will not be devoured. Choke.
  32. +4
    April 30 2013 18: 32
    Guys, do not quarrel! There are enough cattle everywhere, both in Ukraine and in Russia. It’s not worth us because of them the passion to heat.
  33. +1
    April 30 2013 20: 41
    To hell with them - with mercenaries in professional firms somewhere in Africa or Honduras! What to do with terrorist centers on the territory of Ukraine (first of all, it concerns all kinds of UNA-UNSO in Western women and various missions of Hizb-ut-Tahrir and others in Crimea, whose participation in the wars in Transnistria, Chechnya, Karabakh, Abkhazia ... they even don't dispute?
    Here we need the position of the State, and it is the opposite! Like, all that is against her is not a crime! Does it not follow from this that Ukraine is a terrorist state?
    And so, mercenaries have always and everywhere been and from anywhere, BUT the State has never had any relation to them! The most famous are Lord Byron and a bunch of our "Garibaldians".
    Although there was a war in Spain and the USSR, it didn’t have a relationship (officially), but Germany and Italy had it. Although there were Germans and Italians in the inter-brigades :) next to the Russians and the French and others.
  34. -1
    April 30 2013 20: 54
    To whom I positively (without reservations) feel about the French Foreign Legion. Most of our people go there to serve France for citizenship and money. And not against your people! And where is the thread in Gabon or other Chad. This is their decision, not a decision: "Where will they send for money and will you kill your own people, including civilians." And this organization is fighting officially in the interests of France and under certain conditions.
    Everything is fair and transparent there.

    But Bandera and Islamists from Ukraine are subject to destruction or a long prison, and all the same, the killers hired a brigade to destroy the village or something else. On the contrary, it’s also a choice.
    1. +1
      April 30 2013 21: 06
      Why are you so attracted to this legion? Do you want to make money? I can throw off a bunch of links where they offer no less (some have more) pennies! Do you think these "Europeans" are more civilized? - you are deeply mistaken!
  35. roial
    -3
    April 30 2013 22: 54
    You first deal with your mercenaries. And then start barking at others. I can remind you that RUSSIAN mercenaries took part in the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh (on November 25, 1991, in the sky above Stepanakert, the Armenian air defense forces shot down one of the aircraft. The pilot managed to eject, but was captured by representatives of the Armenian army on the ground. The pilot was a former senior Air Force lieutenant USSR Yuri Bilichenko),
    Yugoslavia (in May 1995, a BiH army helicopter carrying senior Muslim government officials was shot down by Serbs in the Bihach region. Three pilots were killed - with Ukrainian names and Russian passports, documents and bodies fell into the hands of Serbs.)
    and so on, there are many examples.
    1. +2
      April 30 2013 23: 11
      You crawled out from under a stone, a scarecrow? It remembered Karabakh (and it would be unacceptable, then, to try it out.) Understand, first, the history of the issue and the participants in the events
  36. bubble82009
    +2
    April 30 2013 23: 00
    at one time in Ukraine there were a lot of military schools first-class military units. but one day they were no longer in the lot. So they went to fight everywhere. this is in the traditions of the Ukrainian Cossacks - where they pay more and serve.
  37. -2
    April 30 2013 23: 47
    Dmitro Korchinsky:

    I witnessed how one was found among the prisoners in the basement near Maskhadov. Everything happened, as in a template film about the war. There was a kindness from the Ukrainians, because at first the Chechens did not know how to do this. Gene Klyuchnikov, according to the old "pear" habit, hooked this officer: "- How are you standing? Which school did you graduate from? Saratov ... And why are you flying boots? Which school? Tell the truth! And the guy laughed, admitted that he was sent to the disposal of the commander of the ground brigade as an aircraft pilot. His surname was Bryantsev, his rank was senior lieutenant, originally from Mariupol ... I was always struck by the passivity of the victims, even in view of the imminent and obvious death. A man stands calmly when he is aiming aimlessly between eyes from a machine gun. When they dealt with the contract soldiers, they executed all the executioner's commands “Lay!”, “Pick up your hands!”, “Bend your legs!” The victims had their neck cut rather deeply, the trachea was pulled and crossed over, as in the slaughter of cattle. The sight is not pleasant: a man whistles, twitches for about fifteen minutes. Before throwing him into a common grave, he still had to be shot through.

    After the victory, Yushchenko Korchinsky lost the usual support at the top, and quickly re-qualified as "fighters against imperialism." Before that, he managed to express himself in the spirit of the fact that although “Yushchenko is bad,” but the “orange revolution” is a very good thing

    Mercenarism as a phenomenon appeared on the territory of the former USSR in the early 90s, when the country was torn apart by local conflicts. Abkhazia, Transnistria, Fergana, Karabakh - wherever another interethnic war broke out, people appeared who were ready to sacrifice their lives for money. At that time, the Ukrainian organization UNA-UNSO was especially famous: in 92 it sent several detachments to protect the Ukrainians of Transnistria, in July 93 it equipped the Argo expeditionary force in Abkhazia, which fought near Sukhumi on the side of Georgia (seven "UNSO members" the government of Georgia posthumously awarded the Order of Vakhtang Gorgasal); and in 1994 the UNA-UNSO "Viking" unit arrived in Chechnya. They were received everywhere with open arms, because they knew that the "UNS" were good disciplined soldiers, and it was not a pity to pay money to a good soldier. Special units were created from the Ukrainians in the regular army of Ichkeria, they were used as instructors for training Chechen soldiers.
    1. 0
      1 May 2013 21: 17
      This is for you cons from Seliger. They do not like to remember Korchinsky.
    2. +1
      2 May 2013 15: 48
      WOW!!! How the truth hurts the Ukrainians' eyes!!! bully
  38. +1
    April 30 2013 23: 52
    Why did he write this for real? S-wow --- he will answer, Mr. Nida will be tormented, smelly !!!
    1. 0
      1 May 2013 21: 16
      Will not answer. Do you know that he came to Seliger, gave lectures to the Nashi?
  39. Stalinets
    +2
    1 May 2013 01: 54
    The picture shows some indigenous Ukrainians !! laughing
  40. +1
    1 May 2013 03: 15
    Personally, after reading the article, I got the impression that the government of the independent country is playing a scam, and with its own citizens. On the one hand, ratifying international documents on the prohibition and fight against mercenarism, on the other, allowing the legal work of PMCs on their own territory. In such conditions, employees of these companies should not hope for consular assistance from Ukraine in the event of force majeure outside its borders. The unfortunate ones will not represent any political value and will be destroyed, excuse the cynicism. Courts in Libya are more of an exception.
  41. AndreyAB
    +1
    1 May 2013 08: 21
    A little article of nonsense, you can bring about mercenaries from almost all the old worlds, ideological killers and staunch fighters are always enough to translate into nationalities, or rather, into the local names of the Slavs and blame it - stupidity.
  42. Larus
    +3
    1 May 2013 11: 38
    As grandmas bazaar dispute again arranged who is "Ukrainian" and who is Russian.I live on the outskirts of Russia, I am a "Ukrainian" Okrainets, or Russian.What do you think if half of the outskirts were under the Poles, then the Russians don’t use Polish parasites there ?? They’re Siberians from us, Cossacks, and there you’ll come up with some other names and we’ll make odd classrooms !! !
  43. 0
    1 May 2013 16: 40
    When there is not enough money and especially brains then this meat appears (mercenaries) ... I think they will get theirs ... sooner or later ...
  44. +2
    1 May 2013 17: 45
    And was this a big secret for someone? Mercenaries were, are and will be from Slavic nations, including from the Russian Federation and Ukraine in particular, so what?! How are Western private armies different from them?
  45. +3
    1 May 2013 17: 56
    The worse the standard of living in the country, the more on the roads of prostitutes and in conflicts of mercenaries.
  46. -1
    1 May 2013 17: 57
    Mercenary is not a profession! Fighting for money, which means killing anyone, anywhere and on any side, is not a profession! This is a state of mind, or rather its absence! There is still such a word unprincipled, i.e. lack of principles, life guidelines, etc. There is another word - a killer! This is also a kind of mercenary, isn't it?
    There is another word - volunteer! This concept is really different.
    1. 0
      1 May 2013 18: 08
      This is a way out for those who do not know how to do anything else. Where are they going to the parking guard?

      Well, do not put an equal sign between "fight" and "kill", they are different things.
  47. +1
    1 May 2013 22: 56
    Unfortunately in Ukraine there is no state as such, and the population is forced to earn as it turns out, which is what our so-called leadership uses. They have their percentage from mercenaries and prostitutes, etc. We can’t build our own, and also keep the legacy left over from the State. For our bandits, it’s all the same how to earn this money by killing Russian soldiers or hitting our children, the money doesn’t smell. Somewhere I heard that our friends capitalists, having the prospect of making a profit of more than 300%, will not stop at crime. Our government plays a lot of shit democracy, and accordingly tries to be similar in everything to them.
  48. 0
    1 May 2013 23: 08
    In Ukraine, unfortunately, the state as such is absent. The population is forced to earn as much as possible, respectively, a large number of mercenaries, prostitutes, etc. Our so-called leadership covers all these processes for a good percentage, and in some cases leads it. They don’t care whom they kill their own or Russian servicemen, poison adults or children, they are clearly not concerned with morality. I read somewhere that in developed dermocratic countries, capital earning more than 300% percent will not stop at any crime. We want to be like them, we are striving for Europe !!!
  49. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    0
    2 May 2013 00: 39
    I don't know about Georgia, were there any Ukrainians there or not, but in Yugoslavia there were plenty of them and they didn't fight on our side........
    1. Stalinets
      0
      3 May 2013 02: 18
      We can ukry and were, but the Ukrainians were not ... fool
  50. +1
    2 May 2013 16: 11
    Merchants death

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the CIA, or, more precisely, the group of "irreconcilable", which included Kupchinsky, faced new tasks. The problem of supplying various "friendly forces" with weapons either without state status at all (it was not fashionable to talk about international terrorism at that time) or those that had problems with an international embargo came to the fore.

    The objects of special care were Croats and Bosnian Muslims who fought with the Serbs, who had been declared another "evil empire", as well as the Afghan Taliban and various African puppet regimes. For these operations, the scheme worked out by Kupchinsky in Afghanistan and secret bank accounts controlled by him could be used, but there was no main thing - weapons. And here Marchuk became a lifesaver. Marchuk completely, from beginning to end, supervised the process of the Ukrainian arms trade and, for this, he created the foreign trade company "Progress". In addition, through the system of special departments in the troops, Marchuk was in charge of all army depots of weapons and military equipment, having the ability to dispose of their contents uncontrollably. It only remained to combine the interests of the two parties and the desired result was easily achievable.

    Something, about the details of what was happening, became known from the testimony at the current trial in Turin on the fact of the arrest by the Italian authorities in 1994 of a ship with a cargo of contraband Ukrainian weapons intended for the Croatian army. One of the defendants, who performed intermediary functions in the process of arms smuggling, told how Marchuk, on the basis of the fake end-use certificates he knew to be, sold weapons at prices several times lower than the world prices. Under the personal protection of Yevgeny Kirillovich, the cargo was delivered to the port, from where it was transported to the "hot spot". After that, Marchuk received his "kickback", reaching several million dollars at a time. It is curious that this took place in one of the offices of the administration of the national reserve "Kiev-Pechersk Lavra", the director of which, Vazhnik, was a relative of one of the accused at the Turin trial. At the same time, part of the funds was accumulated in the accounts of Kupchinsky. Thus, with the help of Kupchinsky, large consignments of small arms and missiles and somewhat smaller consignments were transported to Croatia in 1992-94 to the Taliban at the same time.

    All this, probably, would have remained a secret forever, had the Italians not been detained, who were not aware of the ongoing operation, as, incidentally, the leadership of the CIA itself, the Yadran Express ship, was not aware of it, which was the beginning of the unwinding of the criminal tangle. Kupchinsky was more fortunate than Marchuk - his name, thanks to the urgent intervention of friends from the Italian CIA station, was not featured in the trial.

    The postponed tests only brought the partners together and the interaction between them more and more went beyond the narrow special services framework. In the 1999 presidential election, Svoboda mobilized all its forces to support Marchuk, and CIA analysts close to Kupchinsky managed to convince the democratic leadership of the White House of the advisability of supporting the retired general. Marchuk loses with a devastating result, but does not consider his political future to be buried. Kupchinsky does not consider this either ...
  51. fedot.uncle
    -4
    2 May 2013 16: 28
    The article is confusing and the conclusion is simply ridiculous. No one and nothing will be able to spoil the long-tarnished reputation of the country - the monster called Ukraine. Secondly, being hired for work or service anywhere is the right of the individual. Some wave a broom in Moscow, some wash pots in Europe, and some risk their lives somewhere in Africa. And it’s none of your business where I went to fight. Mercenary is the oldest honorable profession of service people. And soldiers of regular armies also commit military crimes; they are not angels. In Canada, an elite regiment of paratroopers was even disbanded for dirty actions in Somalia, although the regiment was created in 1943. The author generally has little idea who is a mercenary and who is a specialist sent by the government, like the Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners in Georgia. Even earlier, Ukraine supplied tanks to Azerbaijan along with crews that attacked Armenian positions. Today there are countries that are ready to openly accept mercenaries into service - Russia, Georgia, the USA, Australia. I'm not even talking about France with its Foreign Legion, Britain, where Gurkhas from Nepal have been serving since 1816. They are hired in the army of India and Brunei. And Balochis from Pakistan traditionally serve in Oman. Mercenaries are a profession for centuries.
  52. +3
    2 May 2013 22: 17
    Quote: Scythian 35
    What is not advertised the participation of immigrants from Ukraine on the side of the Federal forces in Chechnya, where they were the lion's share of personnel !!!


    fool OOO??! What do you use?
  53. +3
    3 May 2013 22: 07
    Chechnya. The first Chechen war. 15 checkpoint Goitenkoort. Mesker-Yurt. March 1996.

    Not a single shot was heard from Goytenkortane, and when breakfast was brought to them in the morning, everyone at the checkpoint was dead. The market was closed, and there was deathly silence in Mesker-yurt. A local old man told intelligence that in the evening a column of armored personnel carriers and two KamAZ trucks arrived at the checkpoint. Westerners from UNA-UNSO who fought on the side of the "Czechs" dressed in Russian uniforms explained that they were federals, that they got lost and asked to spend the night. At night, without much effort, they cut out the checkpoint (in full force), collected equipment and weapons, and, taking a dozen prisoners, disappeared in an unknown direction...
  54. smershspy
    +2
    8 May 2013 11: 52
    Gentlemen! Men - soldiers go to fight for other flags and other people, not because of a good life! For some reason their country just doesn’t need them!
    It is sad to admit the fact that the state does not value professionals and scatters them like the sower from the immortal work “12 Chairs”. And here we are arguing that Ukrainians, Russians...They are just trying to feed their family and live with dignity! I have the honor!
  55. smershspy
    +2
    8 May 2013 11: 55
    A warrior always remains a warrior! Glory to those who have not changed their profession!
  56. -2
    17 May 2013 07: 16
    Where does the boy get Chechen sadness - UNA-UNSO - Articles from the magazine "Russian...
    UNA - UNSO (Ukrainian National Assembly - Ukrainian National Self-Defense). ... So, during the assault on Novogroznensky by federal troops in 1996, on the orders of Raduev, five Ukrainian mercenaries were shot.

    According to information from the Russian special services, the bulk of Ukrainian mercenaries in the rebellious republic were by no means “ideological” party extremists, but marginalized criminal elements recruited to participate in hostilities by special structures of the UNSO. But this contingent also underwent political training.

    As a rule, the combat value of “soldiers of fortune” left much to be desired, and Chechen employers did not stand on ceremony with them.

    So, during the assault on Novogroznensky by federal troops in 1996, on the orders of Raduev, five Ukrainian mercenaries were shot. Based on the testimony of captured militants, it was possible to recreate the picture of the death of the unlucky Landsknechts.

    When the federals pressed the rebels hard, the mercenaries “suddenly remembered” that their contract had expired and came to Raduev for payment. He said that we first needed to hand over the machine guns and ammunition. When the Ukrainians disarmed, he ordered his nukers to take them out.

    Strictly speaking, two categories of Ukrainian “volunteers” in Chechnya can be distinguished. The first are UNSO activists, such as the Prometheus fighters; they solved mainly propaganda problems, showing “the solidarity of the Ukrainian people with the struggling Ichkeria.” The Dudayevites surrounded them with care and took care of them. The second category is criminals and simply adventurers who rushed to Chechnya for a “long ruble.”

    The militants did not stand on ceremony with the latter - they always thrust them into the thick of it, used them for the dirtiest jobs, forced them to wash clothes, carry heavy loads, dig fortifications, and even worse. Their usual fee is a bullet in the back of the head from the “employer”.

    There are also cases when “thick Ukrainians” were used as living mine detectors.


    http://lell33.ucoz.ru/publ/5-1-0-159

    A lot of information for any Svidomite: how Chechen jackals love traitor pigs.

    Sashka Bely (this was his pseudonym in UNA-UNSO), who personally headed the security of Dzhokhar Dudayev and led the Viking detachment of Ukrainian nationalists.
  57. georg737577
    0
    25 May 2013 00: 33
    A mercenary has no nationality.
  58. Colonel RA
    +1
    9 June 2013 15: 25
    Ukrainian mercenaries surpassed the fascists in cruelty.

    The beetle ate the grass, the bird pecked the beetle,
    The ferret drank the brain from the bird's head...
    17.04.2013
    Ukraine is tightly hushing up its participation in mercenary wars in Africa, in particular, in Rwanda in 1994. It was the most cynical, meat-grinding extermination of people. Black, white. There was no difference in wealth or skin color. Everyone was destroyed equally cruelly. At that time, not just mercenaries were driven into Rwanda - beasts. Basically, these were Ukrainian homeless people, abandoned to the mercy of fate and miserable survival, former DShBshniks, VDVshniks, special training and secret schools - all these combat torpedoes were left out of work after the collapse of the USSR in 1992. In 1994, Rwanda with its revolution arrived just in time. The retired fighters rushed there, to earn money. What could they do? Only what they had been taught for many years: kill. At that time, none of them imagined that the poor, money-hungry generals, in accordance with the lawlessness tacitly permitted in the entire post-Soviet space, would appropriate all the cash payments for themselves. And the fighters of the "non-existent" front, the "wild geese", would be cynically expended. The high-ranking officials justified themselves: the secret of the non-existent war would go to the grave with them. And it would have gone, if... There were fighters who had family and other connections with the leadership of the operations in Africa.

    Not only military officials of Ukraine took part in the sadistic revolution in Rwanda, but also businessmen. Oh! Today they are high oligarchs, who are not recommended to be touched. However, the first crazy money, the chicks of gangster showdowns getting on their feet, were earned not by robbing their own people - this happened much later. The first millions, a crazy spill, were earned by oligarchs on arms supplies to Rwanda, on supplies of "wild geese" (mercenaries), on trade in live goods in Africa. And how much was taken back from Africa! How many white rich Germans, French, Belgians had to give their lives for their own millions, which the marauders appropriated for themselves, pulling account numbers out of the throats of white people torn to shreds. They were mocked with particular cruelty - first their legs were cut off to immobilize them. Then, before the eyes of their distraught parents, they raped and tortured their young children. This is where the richest people in Ukraine get their money from. One of the surviving mercenaries names several oligarchs who currently exist, and among them, Arkady Gaidamak is especially prominent.

    Yes, such leaders of brutal operations in Rwanda as Colonel Viktor Bondar from the airmobile faculty of the OISV, to the great regret of today's oligarchs, did not eliminate all the fighters. For example, there remained those like Yuri Sinezhuk, who changed his last name three times to avoid responsibility, so that the tail of crimes would not drag behind him. The fighters who had been in bloody slaughterhouses could not mentally withstand such a burden and subsequently became drug addicts. In Rwanda, all mercenaries from Ukraine were put on drugs. Otherwise, the head could not withstand the sight of bloody carnage and the heartbreaking cries of thousands of children and their mothers. After returning from Rwanda, this mercenary did not sleep at night: the chilling sound of children's cries disturbed his night visions. At night, he was visited by the fighters whom he, on assignment, cleaned up after an operation, having blown up the exit and left them in the mine to die. He lives because "Papa Vitya" was the lover of his mother, a nurse at the Saki mud baths, where, then still a captain, he was treated after being wounded in Afghanistan. And someone's sons, liquidated fighters, are still sitting, for 20 years now, in the mines of Africa, from where their path to life was closed. The most cynical and cruel remain alive. http://kara881.livejournal.com/33274.html


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaFz0-5dDQU
  59. Colonel RA
    0
    9 June 2013 15: 31
    UKRAINIAN MERCENARES EXCEEDED THE FASCISTS IN CRUELTY
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  60. Colonel RA
    0
    9 June 2013 15: 39
    Ukrainian mercenaries surpassed the fascists in cruelty.

    The beetle ate the grass, the bird pecked the beetle,
    The ferret drank the brain from the bird's head...
    17.04.2013
    Ukraine is tightly hushing up its participation in mercenary wars in Africa, in particular, in Rwanda in 1994. It was the most cynical, meat-grinding extermination of people. Black, white. There was no difference in wealth or skin color. Everyone was destroyed equally cruelly. At that time, not just mercenaries were driven into Rwanda - beasts. Basically, these were Ukrainian homeless people, abandoned to the mercy of fate and miserable survival, former DShBshniks, VDVshniks, special training and secret schools - all these combat torpedoes were left out of work after the collapse of the USSR in 1992. In 1994, Rwanda with its revolution arrived just in time. The retired fighters rushed there, to earn money. What could they do? Only what they had been taught for many years: kill. At that time, none of them imagined that the poor, money-hungry generals, in accordance with the lawlessness tacitly permitted in the entire post-Soviet space, would appropriate all the cash payments for themselves. And the fighters of the "non-existent" front, the "wild geese", would be cynically expended. The high-ranking officials justified themselves: the secret of the non-existent war would go to the grave with them. And it would have gone, if... There were fighters who had family and other connections with the leadership of the operations in Africa.

    Not only military officials of Ukraine took part in the sadistic revolution in Rwanda, but also businessmen. Oh! Today they are high oligarchs, who are not recommended to be touched. However, the first crazy money, the chicks of gangster showdowns getting on their feet, were earned not by robbing their own people - this happened much later. The first millions, a crazy spill, were earned by oligarchs on arms supplies to Rwanda, on supplies of "wild geese" (mercenaries), on trade in live goods in Africa. And how much was taken back from Africa! How many white rich Germans, French, Belgians had to give their lives for their own millions, which the marauders appropriated for themselves, pulling account numbers out of the throats of white people torn to shreds. They were mocked with particular cruelty - first their legs were cut off to immobilize them. Then, before the eyes of their distraught parents, they raped and tortured their young children. This is where the richest people in Ukraine get their money from. One of the surviving mercenaries names several oligarchs who currently exist, and among them, Arkady Gaidamak is especially prominent.

    Yes, such leaders of brutal operations in Rwanda as Colonel Viktor Bondar from the airmobile faculty of the OISV, to the great regret of today's oligarchs, did not eliminate all the fighters. For example, there remained those like Yuri Sinezhuk, who changed his last name three times to avoid responsibility, so that the tail of crimes would not drag behind him. The fighters who had been in bloody slaughterhouses could not mentally withstand such a burden and subsequently became drug addicts. In Rwanda, all mercenaries from Ukraine were put on drugs. Otherwise, the head could not withstand the sight of bloody carnage and the heartbreaking cries of thousands of children and their mothers. After returning from Rwanda, this mercenary did not sleep at night: the chilling sound of children's cries disturbed his night visions. At night, he was visited by the fighters whom he had been assigned to clean up after an operation, blowing up the exit and leaving them to die in the mine. He lives because "Papa Vitya" was the lover of his mother, a nurse at the Saki mud baths, where, then still a captain, he was treated after being wounded in Afghanistan. And someone's sons, liquidated fighters, are still sitting, for 20 years now, in the mines of Africa, from where their path to life was closed. The most cynical and cruel remain alive.

    Today, not a single Ukrainian law enforcement agency admits that they supplied mercenaries not only to Rwanda, but also to other African countries in subsequent years. http://kara881.livejournal.com/33274.html
  61. kelevra
    +1
    13 December 2013 23: 07
    The most offensive and unforgivable thing for us in terms of Ukrainian mercenaries is that they fought openly in Chechnya in both campaigns against our soldiers! Brotherly people, of the same culture and background and such meanness, at least it’s good that ours when they captured Ukrainian mercenaries from the UNA UNSO organization, they were shot right on the spot, they didn’t play liberal with them!