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Su-30MKM and its competitors in the Malaysian tender

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29 March 2013, the official information appeared that Malaysia announced a tender for the purchase of modern fighter jets 18. According to Reuters, which refers to the Minister of Defense of Malaysia Zahid Hamidi, 5 fighters will fight for victory in the new aviation competition: Swedish JAS 39 Gripen, French Dassault Rafale, European Eurofighter Typhoon, American Boeing F / A 18E / F Super Hornet and Russian multipurpose fighter Su-30MKM.


The exact timing of the tender is still unknown, but most likely it can be held in May, after the presidential election in the country. The cost of a possible deal to acquire 18 fighters is estimated at over a billion dollars. It is assumed that the new aircraft will replace the Russian fighter MiG-29 in the Malaysian Air Force. Currently, according to experts at the Air Force Malaysia is 59 fighters: up to 10 hopelessly obsolete American F / RF-5E Tiger, 13 British Hawk 208 (combat training), 10 MiG-29N, 8 F / A-18D Hornet and 18 Su-30MKM. Malaysia acquired Sukhoi aircraft in 2003 year. The amount of the transaction amounted to 910 million. The Russian company won the tender, the competitor of the Russians was the American fighter F-16 Fighting Falcon.

In October 2012, Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force of the country, Tan Sri Rodzali Bin Dowad, spoke with journalists and noted that the Air Force had no preference - to acquire a single- or twin-engine fighter, as long as its functionality meets operational requirements, and framework that we can afford. According to him, the Air Force created a special comparative table that will allow assessing the degree of compliance of fighters with the requirements of the competition. The Malaysian military focuses on aircraft life cycle cost and maintenance efficiency, while the compatibility of weapons with the existing fleet also plays a role.
Su-30MKM and its competitors in the Malaysian tender

At one time, the Malaysian contract was considered the most successful for RAC "MiG" and the Russian defense industry as a whole. According to the agreement from 7 June 1994, Malaysia was to receive 18 MiG-29 fighters, including 2 training and combat vehicles. The transaction amount was estimated at 560 million dollars. This amount also included the supply of 2-x fighters for ground training of technical personnel, the necessary weapons and training services for local pilots and technicians. The subject of the transaction was the upgraded MiG-29SD fighter aircraft, which had an expanded nomenclature of weapons, the best radar aiming complex, an increased mass of payload.

In addition, the customer put forward a number of additional conditions. In particular, the aircraft needed to be adapted to the humid Asia-Pacific climate, the engine life could be increased to 2000 hours, and the aircraft could be equipped with satellite communication and navigation systems. The fighter range was increased by using airborne refueling systems.

The first MiG-29 arrived in Malaysia as early as April 1995, and the last aircraft was delivered 5 June 1995. The fighters were transported to the country with the help of An-124 “Ruslan” cargo aircraft. Malaysian MiGs received the designation MiG-29N and MiG-29NUB. Of these, 2 squadrons were formed - 17-I and 19-I. The equipment of the AN / ARN-139 TACAN radio navigation system was introduced into the onboard equipment of the fighters, the GPS satellite navigation system receiver was mounted, technical inscriptions were in English, the instrument scales were scaled in the English number system, the Rita warning system also works in English language. Aircraft could use missiles RVV-AE and received a radar-aiming complex "Topaz".

Russian competitors

Boeing: F / A-18E / F Super Hornet

There are a number of positions that can ensure Boeing’s victory in the tender. Among them is the Boeing offset software package, which provides for technical cooperation between countries, as has already been the case with the 8 F / A-18D Hornet fighter jets ordered in 1993 year. The issue of technology transfer, which often in international tenders was a very big problem for American fighters, particularly in India and Brazil, is not such a serious problem. In Malaysia, offset requirements are more focused on industrial development in all areas, rather than on the assembly and deployment of local aircraft production.

The Super Hornet platform has a lot of arguments in its favor. Firstly, this is one of the cheapest bidders to win the tender, and secondly, the prospect of connecting to the service infrastructure and supplies of the US Navy is very tempting for potential buyers in terms of the cost of supporting fighters in operation and upgrading them in the future.

The export version of the Super Hornet fighter is the basic version of the US Navy aircraft, which in its modern version includes a number of the latest elements of the concept that Boeing presented at the Aero India-2011 cabin. This concept implies an improved widescreen cockpit display and potential access to such modern technologies as the conformal arrangement of fuel tanks and weapons. Although according to the confessions of the Boeing specialists, they have not yet made a decision regarding the latter regarding foreign customers. Also, do not forget that the “Super Hornet” is the only fighter in the tender, except for “Rafal”, which is equipped with a radar with an active phased antenna array (AFAR).

Americans have trumps on the unification of weapons systems, since the Malaysian Air Force already has Hornet fighters. Such unification will provide a significant gain in terms of training, operation weapons, logistics, etc. In addition, Malaysia is well acquainted with the company "Boeing" on the current modernization of the "Hornets", which are in service with its air force. Also, the fact that the Super Hornet is already in service with the US Navy and the Australian Air Force can play a role, which increases its potential for interoperability.

[i] Eurofighter Consortium: Typhoon

Despite the fact that none of the countries in the region have Typhoon fighters, its potential capabilities are known to customers. The first foreign deployment of these aircraft was carried out in the framework of the regional exercises "Bersam Lima-2011". As part of these 4 exercises, the Typhoon fighter of the 6 squadron made 70 sorties and spent hours in the sky for 164 hours, reaching 100% readiness during the exercise.

According to the representative of the company “BAE Systems” Andy Latham, the Typhoon fighters are highly versatile, which makes it possible in the future to adapt this platform to different situations and to use it depending on what is happening in a particular part of the world or in the area of ​​national interests. In 2012, Malaysian military pilots visited Great Britain and made familiarization flights on the Typhoon fighters of the British Air Force. At the same time, statements were made that this fighter meets the conditions of the announced tender.

By analogy with the American "Boeing" company "BAE Systems" emphasizes the potential benefits of the transaction for the Malaysian industry. The presented package for the Typhoon fighter is quite comprehensive. This offer is not prescriptive and includes a large number of options from which the customer can choose the one that suits him best. The package of proposals is not limited to direct deliveries of fighters, great attention is paid to opportunities in the field of professional and educational skills, cyber security. One aspect may be the inclusion of the Malaysian industry in the chain of suppliers of components for the Typhoon fighter.

Dassau Aviation: Rafale

Although the French company Dassault has not yet commented on the participation of the Rafale fighter in the Malaysian competition, several of the company's recent industrial cooperation deals that have been concluded in this region indicate that the company is striving to build on the success of its fighters after a fairly large victory in India tender for the supply of 126 fighters (the total amount of the order of 15 billion dollars). The French fighter bypassed the Typhoon in the Indian tender at the expense of more low cost procurement, maintenance costs and operation throughout its life. In addition, the company Dassault concluded a memorandum of intent with the aerospace company Zetro, which acts as a provider of support for ground electronics and avionics of the Malaysian Air Force.

The Rafale fighter, like the English Typhoon, has experience in combat use in Libya in the 2011 year. Its main difference from competitors, as well as the American “Super Hornet”, is the presence of on-board radar with AFAR. At the same time, similar radars for Gripen and Typhoon are still at the creation stage.

Saab: Gripen NG

Recently, the Swedish fighter Gripen has found itself in the international market. Only in 2012, the Swedish company Saab extended the lease agreement with Hungary, continued successful deliveries of fighters to South Africa, at the same time Switzerland decided to purchase the Gripen-E 22 aircraft, and the Swedish Air Force signed a contract to supply the Gripen -E / F ".

Malaysian Swedish manufacturer is ready to offer the model "Gripen-NG", which is a modification of the Thai fighter. A successful deal to sell Thailand 12 "Gripenov", as well as 2-s of AEROA aircraft "Saab-340" "Eriay" can give the company hope for the success of the new deal. The fact that Gripen is the cheapest bidder plays into the hands of the Swedes. In this case, not only at the price of direct sales, but also operation. No one excludes the fact that price can be a decisive factor in a future deal.

The platform of the Gripen-NG fighter has a number of innovations compared to previous versions of the aircraft. These include the new radar with AFAR ES-05 "Raven (in development), the new F414G engine of General Electric (capacity increased from 80,5 kN to 98 kN) and increased from 6000 to 7200 kg the maximum payload of the aircraft.

Sukhoi: Su-30MKM

During the exhibition LIMA 2013, the deputy general director of Rosoboronexport, Viktor Komardin, said that Russia was ready to promote the advanced Su-30MKM fighter to Malaysia. However, Western experts are skeptical about the possible victory of the Russian fighter. In part, such skepticism is associated with maintenance problems with the Su-30MKM fighters already delivered to Malaysia. According to the deputy general director of Sukhoi, Alexander Klementieva, at the moment the operational readiness of the aircraft data fleet is lower than the standard required by Malaysia in 75-80%. In reality, out of the 18 aircraft delivered to the country at the time of the LIMA 2013 exhibition, the 10 was in combat status, and the 2 fighter had a flight limit due to the engine overhaul life.

To resolve this problem, the Russian holding company “Sukhoi” has signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense of Malaysia for servicing the Su-30MKM fleet. This contract worth 100 million dollars provides for service and maintenance, as well as the supply of spare parts for 18 Russian fighter jets, delivered in 2007-2009 years. The deal will extend the life of the aircraft engines, increase the operational readiness of the Malaysian Su-30 fleet and adjust the maintenance required by the standards. Why both parties to the deal did not agree on such cooperation earlier is a mystery.

In addition, Rosoboronexport is promoting a subscriber maintenance program for Su-30MKM fighters. According to Komardin, within the framework of such service, Russia will provide 75% of the combat readiness of the delivered fighters, and the remaining 25% of simpler tasks from a technical point of view will be performed by local specialists. This program provides for the permanent residence of Russian engineers in Malaysia with their families, the provision of housing, medical care and other social services.

The advantage of Russian fighters is the fact that they will ensure the uniformity of the Malaysian Air Force fleet. The acquisition of another large batch of Su-30 would be the best step towards this goal. One should also take into account the fact that Malaysia already has a training center and a service center for the maintenance of the Su-30MKM, in which Kuala Lumpur has already invested considerable funds. In this regard, the acquisition of fighters from other states would not be entirely economically justified.

Many Western experts agree that the existing 18 fleet of Malaysian Su-30MKM assumes that the acquisition of a new batch of these machines will simplify the logistics chain for the Malaysian Air Force. They also pay tribute to the capabilities of the aircraft, noting the prospects of this platform, which has an increased payload, increased combat range, a thrust vectoring engine of the AL-31F type and a radar with a passive phased antenna array N011M.

Information sources:
-http: //www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig29n.html
-http: //vpk-news.ru/articles/15614
-http: //lenta.ru/news/2013/03/29/tender
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  1. radio operator
    radio operator April 25 2013 08: 16 New
    +1
    What are the Malaysians missing? They already have dry ones in service, we go to them regularly and service our stations at them. Malaysians praise our fighters. Why then arrange a contest - I do not know.
    1. avt
      avt April 25 2013 10: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: radio operator
      What are the Malaysians missing?

      Good bakshisha. The previous one is over, or new guys started a tender, they also want to live beautifully and want to eat tasty food. laughing
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman April 25 2013 13: 12 New
      0
      tenders usually serve two purposes: search for the best option and, as a result, market diversification; Well, the second - to bring down more dough from the winning bidder!
  2. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov April 25 2013 08: 47 New
    +5
    Quote: radio operator
    What are the Malaysians missing? They already have dry ones in service, we go to them regularly and service our stations at them. Malaysians praise our fighters. Why then arrange a contest - I do not know.

    Так у них и "Хорнеты" есть и наши Миг-29, которые предлагается модернизировать. Так что есть из чего выбирать. Им можно и поторговаться.
  3. Gorko
    Gorko April 25 2013 08: 50 New
    0
    I hope the mind and pragmatic calculation will prevail.
    PS The glider su-27-30 is still the most beautiful !!!
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 11 May 2013 14: 46 New
      0
      and the rest are no worse
  4. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov April 25 2013 09: 18 New
    -1
    Quote: GORKO
    I hope the mind and pragmatic calculation will prevail.
    PS The glider su-27-30 is still the most beautiful !!!


    And the T-50 (Su-50) is even more beautiful. Someday we will offer it to the Malaysians.
  5. skif1804
    skif1804 April 25 2013 09: 32 New
    +4
    But AFAR, as I understand it, is not on the SU-30?
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 25 2013 14: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: skif1804
      But AFAR, as I understand it, is not on the SU-30?

      Unfortunately no
    2. VAF
      VAF April 25 2013 19: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: skif1804
      But AFAR, as I understand it, is not on the SU-30?


      And while we don’t have anything at all, except for the 2 T-50s (it will be on the 3rd soon) and on the MiG-35D demonstrator!

      Всё остальное в.."разработке"!
      1. VAF
        VAF April 25 2013 19: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        And while we do not have anything at all


        Ну и ХТО это минусом "отметился" из "инетспэшелов" или fellow kalok ???

        Show up, talk if not .. wassat
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist April 25 2013 21: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: vaf
          Ну и ХТО это минусом "отметился" из "инетспэшелов"



          Hi vaf!
          Are you all fighting with hamsters? There have been a lot of them lately.
          Where did you disappear?
          1. VAF
            VAF April 25 2013 21: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Botanologist
            Are you all fighting with hamsters? There have been a lot of them lately.


            Greetings! drinks
            Yes, there was only 10 days away. and here ..... yes, the work is endless!

            Но надеюсь.что после сегодняшнего ШОУ по всем каналам ТВ их количество заметно поубавится, а может наоборот "обострение" наступит wassat

            Quote: Botanologist
            Where did you disappear?


            так всё, наступила "пора", пора работать (вот стуфтологил lol ).

            Командировки Киев, а тут ещё и Минск "нарисовался" с хорошим предложением, так что теперь буду только наскоками!
      2. lesnik.
        lesnik. April 25 2013 20: 53 New
        0
        [quote = vaf] [/ quote]
        Всё остальное в.."разработке"![/quote]
        Do you think Chepkin’s statement is consistent, or is he ahead of the engine?

        Deputy Director General for Research and Development and Development, Saturn NPO OJSC, - Victor CHEPKIN, General Designer
        I will reveal a secret and say that we actually already have two engines of the 5th generation. The second, which is now conventionally called "Type 30", has already been tested in flight on a T-50 fighter. In the future, he will probably be given the name "AL- ...". In its parameters, it is 15-25 percent higher than the 117th.
      3. lesnik.
        lesnik. April 25 2013 20: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        Всё остальное в.."разработке"!

        Do you think Chepkin’s statement is consistent, or is he ahead of the engine?

        Deputy Director General for Research and Development and Development, Saturn NPO OJSC, - Victor CHEPKIN, General Designer
        I will reveal a secret and say that we actually already have two engines of the 5th generation. The second, which is now conventionally called "Type 30", has already been tested in flight on a T-50 fighter. In the future, he will probably be given the name "AL- ...". In its parameters, it is 15-25 percent higher than the 117th.
        1. VAF
          VAF April 25 2013 21: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: lesnik.
          Do you think Chepkin’s statement is consistent, or is he ahead of the engine?


          I do not think, but I know bully просто нельзя в некоторых случаях "озвучивать" то, что знаешь или узнаешь bully

          Всё соответствует действительности. Новый (промежуточный) "мотор" ещё в прошлом году "обкатывали" на на Су-27ЛЛ, а сейчас на Единичке! drinks
          1. lesnik.
            lesnik. April 25 2013 22: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            Новый (промежуточный) "мотор"

            Thank you.
            Ещё поясните,Тип 30 разве не "родной" двигатель? hi
            1. VAF
              VAF April 25 2013 22: 22 New
              +1
              [quote = lesnik.] Thank you.

              Yes there is nothing drinks

              [quote = lesnik.] Thank you.
              Ещё поясните,Тип 30 разве не "родной" двигатель?[/quote]

              Ох, подведёте под.."монастырь" bully okay. if briefly wink :
              Двигатель "изд. 30" - второй этап, включает в себя:

              1."Научно-исследовательская работа (НИР) 129" - компрессор низкого давления (КНД), 3 ступени.

              2.НИР "133" - газогенератор (ГГ) - "5-тистпупка", компрессор высокого давления (КВД) + КС + 1 ТВД (турбина высокого давления),
              low pressure turbine (ТНД) 1 step.

              Существуют ещё две НИР: 135 и 137- вот это будет "Родной" мотор bully bully
      4. queen
        queen April 25 2013 21: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        2 T-50s (will be on the 3rd soon)

        Good evening, Sergey, what about the FIVE? Somehow quiet and inaudible.
        1. VAF
          VAF April 25 2013 21: 29 New
          +4
          Quote: regin
          What about the FIVE? Somehow quiet and inaudible.


          С пятёркой всё нормально,готова,сейчас ставят 036-ю,недавно "пришла".

          Сколько продлиться процесс "юстировки" сказать сложно,да и не нужно.Одно скажу,что скоро,если не будет "неутыков", хотя Эльбрус уже "пашет" как надо! bully

          Могли в принципе "поднять" на крыло ещё в начале апреля.да вот Тихомировцы "подкузмили".

          Есть большая вероятность. что и 6-ка в этом году "появится"!
  6. Pacifist
    Pacifist April 25 2013 10: 08 New
    +3
    A balanced and sensible comparison of competitors in the tender ... and the competition .. well, in general, this is normal practice. We must be able to win in such tenders. Our chances are very good.
  7. MEWTWO
    MEWTWO April 25 2013 10: 16 New
    0
    F-18 Field Carrier Landing Practice
  8. zennon
    zennon April 25 2013 10: 33 New
    -2
    It is assumed that the new aircraft will be replaced by Russian MiG-29 fighters as part of the Malaysian Air Force.

    Чем им МиГи не нравятся?Их прекрасно можно модернизировать.Кстати тоже не пойму почему у Су-30 нет АФАР?Что туда сложно "Жука" воткнуть?
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe April 25 2013 12: 02 New
      0
      Quote: zennon
      сложно "Жука" воткнуть?

      "Жук" не АФАР.
      1. VAF
        VAF April 25 2013 19: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        "Жук" не АФАР.


        Он имел ввиду "АМ"! drinks
        1. zennon
          zennon April 25 2013 19: 51 New
          +2
          vaf.Он имел ввиду "АМ"!
          Спасибо!Ну конечно я имел в виду "Жук-МАЭ"или "Жук-АЭ".
          good
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman April 25 2013 13: 18 New
      +1
      It seems strange to me that replacing a light fighter with a heavy one, like a su-30MKM. Well MiG-35 put on a tender, the hornet also rolls. nevertheless, this tender is somewhat ambiguous. but about replacing the 29-cam, this, for me, is a fairy tale.
    3. VAF
      VAF April 25 2013 19: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: zennon
      Что туда сложно "Жука" воткнуть?


      In theory, no, it’s not difficult, because in terms of power supply, any machine of the Su-27 and Su-30 family allowed this to be done!
      There were such projects, even with a gap, but the Sword defeated even the Feather, which was better than the first Sword!
      Development of AFAR from Bars and Irbis is underway, but how long it will be ... one god knows!
      1. zennon
        zennon April 25 2013 20: 45 New
        +1
        Well, why? In 2011, Tikhomirovsky (NIIP named after V.V. Tikhomirov) the AFAR was completely ready. The issues of cooling, pairing, beam control were resolved, but unfortunately the cost of the AFAR and the HEADLIGHT differs significantly. Besides, I don’t power data. The serial "Irbis-E" has a 5-kilowatt transmitter. So will the AFAR Su-30 pull a big question ...
        1. VAF
          VAF April 25 2013 21: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: zennon
          The serial "Irbis-E" has a 5-kilowatt transmitter. So will the Su-30 AFAR pull the big question?


          Сразу начну с "конца" никакого вопроса нет,ещё в 2011 году на Су-30ЛЛ



          and on the Su-30MK2, onboard 503



          "обкатали" "усрезанные" Ирбисы-Э. Прекрасно себя показали,данные лучше чем на Барсе Мк.3,но табуреткинские сказали-для нас дорого.

          Quote: zennon
          In addition, I do not have power data.


          Ровно в шесть раз мощнее,чем на "усечённом",вот поэтому нормальный и нельзя ставить на Су-30-е.

          Well, for the price, they said everything correctly! drinks
          1. zennon
            zennon April 25 2013 22: 09 New
            +1
            vaf. but the stools said, it’s expensive for us.

            But the brother-in-law Puzikov to build a road for state money just right! repeat
            1. VAF
              VAF April 25 2013 22: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: zennon
              But the brother-in-law Puzikov to build a road for state money just right!


              ну вы же сами знаете что раньше по этому поводу сказал Великий и Всемогущий. да и сегодня.."обмолвился", так что...."что навыбирали.то и имеем"!
              Харчевский сегодня (ну а я уже в течении года рассказываю), что с лётным составом..."проблемы",через 3-года вообще будет.."труба", что пополнение практически никакое, ну а что ответил ВГК?
              У нас всё "окейно" и 98% укомплектовано belay
              Что на это можно скзать? Только то, что.."жираф большой.ему видней"!

              Но ведь кто-то готовит для него эти "дутые" цифирки? А про ежегодный выпуск под 1000 пилотов для Граждан.это вообще..слов нет!!! wassat

              Yes, by the way, the Tikhomirovites also have the development (in metal) of Barca for the Mig-29th, the data on the work on the earth are gorgeous, but ... alas and ah!
              1. zennon
                zennon April 25 2013 22: 43 New
                +2
                Как же,ИМЕЛ удовольствие слышать сегодня,в частности о нехватке боевых лётчиков.Да по рыжему у.бку:"В окружении Чубайса много действующих офицеров ЦРУ".Это говорит глава государства!Сказали бы-не поверил,так САМ слышал!!! request

                Yes, by the way, the Tikhomirovites also have the development (in metal) of Barca for the Mig-29th, the data on the work on the earth are gorgeous, but ... alas and ah!

                Good to hear. I always said that Russia has a great engineering school. good
  9. Argon
    Argon April 25 2013 10: 52 New
    +1
    Ну здесь следует вспомнить поговорку-"Хочешь разорить маленькую страну?Подари ей крейсер"- Учитывая нацеленность малазийцев на снижение жизненного цикла,скромные фин.возможности и потребность в сервесе;нам там делать не чего.Поскольку перечисление основных аспектов требований конкурса напоминает чтение анамнеза отечественного авиапрома.Думаю,что конкурс-прикрытие для обеспечения определенного давления на шведов,дополнительная возможность поторговаться.Ну и возможность реально оценить характеристики"Гриппена"в сравнении.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 25 2013 14: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Argon
      Думаю,что конкурс-прикрытие для обеспечения определенного давления на шведов,дополнительная возможность поторговаться.Ну и возможность реально оценить характеристики"Гриппена"в сравнении.

      Why did you decide that Gripen was a favorite?
      1. Argon
        Argon April 25 2013 15: 41 New
        +1
        Потому,что снижение стоимости ЖЦ лежит в основе концепции "Гриппена"даже за счет снижения некоторых боевых качеств.Цель маркетинговой политики(условно)занять нишу освобожденную МиГ-21,F-5.Одномоторная машина оприори дешевле.СЖЦ МиГа почти в 1.8 раза ниже Су а они МиГами не довольны.не французы не англичани с немцами.с ними торговаться не будут в связи с эконом.положением ЕЭС.В некотором смысле есть шанс у F-18 но это больше вопрос политики.Во первых малазия вращается в орбите США,во вторых имея амеровские машины на вооружении сервисная структура уже отлаженна.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus April 25 2013 23: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: Argon
          In a sense, the F-18 has a chance, but this is more a matter of politics. Firstly, Malaysia rotates in the orbit of the USA, secondly, having Amer’s vehicles in service, the service structure has already been debugged.

          So the fact of the matter is that
          1) Technically, Super Hornet is superior to Gripen (possibly, except, modifications to NG)
          2) Malaysia rotates in the orbit of the United States
          3) They already have Hornets.
          Therefore, here Super Hornet looks like a clear favorite.
          Although I agree that Gripen is the No. 2 challenger.
  10. USNik
    USNik April 25 2013 17: 06 New
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    Malaysian Migi received the designation MiG-29N and MiG-29NUB.

    Our loved ones were touched by the Malaysians, proposing such abbreviations drinks .
    А по теме, им с их "зверинцем" только Европейцев не хватает, пусть берут каждого по парочке, чтоб интереснее жилось.
  11. zennon
    zennon April 25 2013 22: 50 New
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    Как же,ИМЕЛ удовольствие слышать сегодня,в частности о нехватке боевых лётчиков.Да по рыжему у.бку:"В окружении Чубайса много действующих офицеров ЦРУ".Это говорит глава государства!Сказали бы-не поверил,так САМ слышал!!! request

    Yes, by the way, the Tikhomirovites also have the development (in metal) of Barca for the Mig-29th, the data on the work on the earth are gorgeous, but ... alas and ah!

    Good to hear. I always said that Russia has a great engineering school. good