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As Peter I cut through the "door" to the East. Part of 2

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1722 Campaign


Peter Alekseevich personally led the ground expeditionary forces and actually commanded the Caspian military flotilla during her voyage to the shores of the Caucasus. For a campaign of 80 companies of field troops, 20 separate battalions were formed with a total number of 22 thousand people with 196 guns. 7 dragoon regiments with a total number of 9 thousand people marched under the command of Major General Gavril Kropotov. The emperor enlisted the help of the Kalmyk Khan Ayuki, so 7 thousand took part in the campaign squad of Kalmyk cavalry. Tatars, Ukrainian and Don Cossack units also took part in the campaign. In the Caspian flotilla there were 274 ships with 6 thousand sailors.

The ships reached the mouth of the Terek. The sovereign went ashore and examined Turki. He was not satisfied with their location. The terrain was damp and unhealthy, leading to frequent illness and high mortality. On July 20, the flotilla entered the Caspian and followed a week along the western shore. On July 27, the infantry was landed at Agrakhan Cape, 4-s versts below the mouth of the Koisu River. Began arrangement camp. On this day, in the Caspian flotilla, as in the entire Russian fleet, a solemn prayer service was served. It was Victory Day at Gangut over the Swedish squadron. Peter I was proud of all his life. A few days later the cavalry arrived and joined up with the infantry.

The cavalry had to go into the first battle even before uniting with the main forces. Part of the cavalry under the command of the brigade leader Veteran was sent to take Enderi (St. Andrew’s village), which was located not far from the fortress of Sudan, which was later built. The local ruler decided to attack the Russians. The Highlanders ambushed Enderi in a dense forest that ran along a narrow and winding road. Brigadier Veterani made a blunder, not sending forward intelligence. Therefore, the front squadrons suffered heavy losses from enemy fire. Then the brigadier made another mistake. Instead of quickly passing a dangerous place and attacking Enderi, he hurried people and led a defensive battle in the gorge. This error was corrected by Colonel Naumov. Seeing the plight of his squad, he led his battalion forward and broke into Endery. The village took the attack, many mountaineers died. As a result, the detachment opened the way to the Agrakhan Gulf.

Peter, having received news of the attack on his troops, decided to punish the Highlanders. Kalmyk Khan Ayuke was instructed to attack the local mountain tribes. He made a bid near Enderi and his cavalry began to devastate near and far districts.

5 August, the Russian army continued moving south towards Derbent. The Caspian military flotilla was moving along the coast, ready to support the troops with artillery fire. On August 6, embassies from Shamkhal Tarkovsky and other mountain owners began to arrive on Peter’s river Sulak. They expressed obedience and loyalty to the Russian sovereign. Peter did not believe in the sincerity of what was said. He knew that only strength was respected here. Nevertheless, the emperor was encouraging each of the envoys arriving to him with his patronage. The Kabardian princes Murza Cherkassky and Aslan-Bek joined the Russian army with their troops.

12 August Russian troops entered Tarki, the capital of Shamkhala. Peter, at the head of the Semyonov and Preobrazhensky people, solemnly entered the city. He was followed in the carriage by Empress Catherine, who rarely left her husband in his field life. Tarkovsky lord Adil-Giray met and greeted the emperor a few miles from the city. Peter stayed with Shamkhal for several days. Adil-Girey proposed to send in a campaign all his army with the Russian tsar. But Peter took only a few scouts and translators, there was no shortage of troops. The emperor in return gave them 12 soldiers to Shamkhal, who made up the lord of Tarkov a guard of honor. They remained in Tarki until the death of Peter Alekseevich. On August 15, after the massacre at the camp of the Preobrazhensky regiment, Peter laid a mound on the Caspian coast. Later on this place will be the seaport and the town of Petrovsk.

The next day, the troops moved on. We walked in a march order, with "saving". It was reported that one of the most powerful Dagestan rulers of the Karakaytag regiment, Ahmed Khan, gathered large forces and was preparing to attack the Russians. Valid 19 August 16-th. a detachment of the Ottomansh Sultan Magmud and Ahmed Khan tried to stop the Russian army. A battle took place in which artillery was also used. The mountaineers were crushed, the village Utemish burned. The mountaineers taken prisoner were hanged in retaliation for the murder on the orders of Ahmet Khan of the Russian sahul Saul and three Cossacks (they were sent to police with a peace-loving letter).

23 August Russian troops occupied the strategic fortress Derbent without a fight. The local Khan, the nobility and the clergy "with all the people" greeted the Russian sovereign "with bread and salt." Peter handed the keys to the ancient city. On the same day, an earthquake occurred and Peter, addressing those who met him, said: "Nature itself makes me a solemn reception and sways the walls of the city before my power."

The capture of the Golden Gate of the Caucasus was the last act of the 1722 campaign of the year. The further advance of the Russian armed forces to the south was halted by the strongest storm. Sea elements destroyed 29 ships with food. The expeditionary forces carried a little food with them on land. The sovereign had a question: to attack further, on the Shemakha Khanate and Baku, or to interrupt the campaign and continue it in more favorable conditions?

Peter decided to leave the garrison in Derbent and return to Astrakhan with most of the forces. On the way back, near Sulak, where a small river Agrakhan was separated from him, Peter ordered to lay the fortress of the Holy Cross, where the garrison was left. Here the sovereign received several reports of “outrage” in Dagestan. Party mountaineers attacked the backward soldiers, on carts. At the same time an alarm message came from Derbent. Kazikumyk Khan attacked the redoubt, which Russian soldiers built near the city. The garrison emerged victorious. The Highlanders lost several hundred people and retreated.

Peter understood that if you leave these processes unattended, the “indignation” can cover most of Dagestan. And the troops of the mountaineers can move to the Russian fortifications along the Terek, to Derbent and the fortress of the Holy Cross under construction. And this will lead to unnecessary losses and a serious military conflict at a time when concentration of forces was required to solve the main task. It was necessary to act decisively and demonstratively tough. To suppress the rebellious hotbeds of Dagestan’s mountain, a detachment of ataman Krasnoshchekov was sent, which consisted mostly of Don Cossacks and Kalmyks. The blow was struck primarily on the possessions of the Karakaytag utsmiya, who did not reconcile after the defeat at Utemish. Ataman Krasnoshchekov "decimated absolutely everything," which was dangerous. Dagestan was pacified.

In the fall of 1723, Peter returned to Astrakhan. December 13 sovereign made a ceremonial entry into Moscow through the triumphal gates. They depicted Derbent with a laconic inscription: “Founded by a hero - conquered by the Great” (according to legend, Derbent was founded by Alexander the Great).

Returning to Russia, Peter Alekseevich did not part with the thought of the Persian campaign, which was to bring him closer to the tempting India. The commander of the Russian troops on the shores of the Caspian remained Major General Mikhail Matyushkin. To consolidate the Russian positions in the North Caucasus, on the border of the Astrakhan province, in the neighborhood of the fortress of the Holy Cross, the entire Terek Cossack army moved. Thousands of Don Cossack families (Agrakhan Cossack army) settled along the rivers Sulak and Agrakhani. On the banks of the Terek, only the Greben Cossacks were left. Their number, after the unsuccessful campaign of Prince Bekovich-Cherkassky, was significantly reduced. It took half a century to restore their former numbers. Grebentsov also wanted to be overpowered on Sulak, but among them the excitement began, there were rumors about a desire to leave for the Kuban, to the Cossacks-Nekrasovs. Peter decided to leave them on the Terek so that they would guard the Terek line.

Major General Matyushkin, back in 1722, received the task of organizing an expedition to capture Baku and establish a port in Baku Bay to base part of the Caspian Flotilla. The capture of Derbent and Baku firmly ensured the retention of the western - Caucasian coast of the Caspian Sea and brought Russia closer to the borders of the Persian Power proper.

For the occupation of Baku, a special detachment consisting of two battalions under Colonel Shipov was assigned. When the colonel asked for reinforcements, Peter refused, saying: “I will not give it. Stenka Razin with five hundred Cossacks was not afraid of Persians, and I give you two battalions of regular troops. ” In November, the Russian troops on ships of a small squadron under the command of Lieutenant-Commander Soymonov went to Enzeli Bay. Russian troops without a battle took the city of Rasht in the province of Gilan. The Persians were stunned by the sudden appearance of the Russians and offered no resistance. After the capture of the Rasht, most of the squadron went to the mouth of the Kura River. Soymonov was ordered to find a place to build a city that was to become the administrative center of Eastern Transcaucasia.

Meanwhile, the Persian authorities came to their senses: they demanded that Colonel Shipov leave Rasht, otherwise threatening to use military force. At this time, Russian soldiers turned the stone building of the city caravanserai into a fortress. Shipov refused to comply with the demand of the Persians. The Shah's troops and local militias launched two assaults during the day, but they were repulsed. When night fell, 15-th. The Persian army settled down to rest, showing its usual carelessness and not putting up strong patrols. Spikes took advantage of this. At night, the Russian forces of three companies made a sortie and hit the enemy camp on both sides. In the night there was a friendly "Hooray!", Which caused panic in the Persian camp. The Persians began to kill each other and soon turned into a total escape. In the morning, over a thousand corpses were found in an abandoned camp. After this defeat, the Persians for a long time did not disturb Shipov. He did not have to fear for the city. The Russians occupied the Mazanderan and Astrabad seaside provinces.

As Peter I cut through the "door" to the East. Part of 2


1723 Campaign

At this time, new vessels for the Caspian Flotilla were built in Kazan, Nizhny Novgorod and Astrakhan. In the summer of 1723, Matyushkin set about conquering the Baku Khanate. June 20 squad Matyushkina moved south, followed by a flotilla. 6 July Russian came to Baku. On the proposal of General Matyushkin voluntarily surrender the city, its residents refused. 21 July Russian troops repelled a sortie of citizens. The camp was strengthened by slingshots in case of the attack of the Khan's cavalry, therefore the enemy attack was repelled without much difficulty and almost without loss. Meanwhile, the Russian flotilla was anchored near the city wall and began bombing enemy fortifications. Russian gunners quickly suppressed enemy batteries and partially destroyed the city wall. A general assault was scheduled for July 25, but bad weather thwarted the plans. A strong wind drove away the Russian ships, and the inhabitants were able to close up the gaps in the wall. However, frightened by the threat of Matyushkin to set fire to the city with gunfire, on July 26 the city capitulated without a fight. Russian as trophies got 80 guns.

So in just two incomplete years, the Russian Empire became the master of the entire Caucasian coast of the Caspian Sea, capturing the key fortresses of Derbent and Baku, as well as the three Persian provinces. Emperor Peter, in gratitude, produced Matyushkin as lieutenant general. Congratulating him on his victories, the sovereign wrote that he was most pleased with the acquisition of Baku, “as a matter of fact, it constitutes the key to all our business.”

However, the conquest of the Caspian regions of the Caucasus did not mean the establishment of a strong Russian government here. Part of the local feudal nobility and residents was "pacified" only externally. So soon after the occupation of Baku, Matyushkin sent a dragoon battalion under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Zimbulatov to the neighboring Salyan region. The Salyan Naib Hussein Bek met the Russians in a friendly manner and ordered the deployment of soldiers. The external friendliness of the locals led to the fact that the Russian officers became careless and went to Naib not only without a convoy, but also without personal weapons. At one of the feasts, a hostile crowd rushed at the Russian commanders and killed them in the "most barbaric way." The same fate threatened the battalion, but the dragoons were warned in time and had time to board the ships, and sailed to Baku.

The attacks on the Russians and in Gilan did not cease. In the Gilyan province, Russian troops were now commanded by the brigadier V. Levashov. It was an experienced warrior who participated in the 1696 Azov campaign of the year. He was also a participant in cases against the Zucban highlanders and the Crimean Tatars. He fought in the army of Peter from the battle of Narva before the Derbent campaign 1722 of the year. Levashov acted exclusively offensively. He moved small columns in several directions in order to clear out of the hostile forces the significant space from Rasht to Mosul and from Kesker to Astara. Russian troops acted successfully against the Persian troops. Under Rashtom, the troops that had besieged Shipov’s squad were crushed and scattered. Russian infantry reached Loshomodan, drove the enemy into Fumin, stormed the well-fortified Sagman. Russian troops occupied the important Kesker, who stood at the crossroads of busy roads. But in order to gain a foothold in the region, it was necessary to constantly increase the Russian presence. The enemy had significant reserves and resources and easily transferred forces from one place to another.

In the last two years of Peter the Great’s life, representatives of Armenia addressed him several times. They asked for help. So, in 1724, a message from the patriarchs of Isaiah and Nerses came to St. Petersburg with a request to take the Armenian people into the citizenship of Russia. Peter Alekseevich gave a positive response to the Armenian patriarchs and rulers, taking them under the patronage of Russia.

Results

12 September 1723 in St. Petersburg Russia and Persia concluded a peace agreement, according to which the Persians recognized vast territories as Russian possessions - Derbent, Baku, Resht, Shirvan, Gilan, Mazandaran and Astrabad provinces. It was a brilliant victory. Russia received very important in the strategic and economic areas. Russia made a serious step on the way to the Persian Gulf and India.

The Persians were forced to concede not only because of the success of the Russian troops, but also because of the invasion of the Ottoman army in the South Caucasus. The Persians could not simultaneously confront Russia and Turkey.

At the same time, St. Petersburg was unable to achieve the incorporation of Georgian and Armenian lands into Russia. 12 (23) June 1724 of the year in Constantinople signed an agreement between Russia and Turkey, according to which St. Petersburg was assigned land on the western and southern shores of the Caspian Sea, obtained under the St. Petersburg 1723 agreement with Persia. Russia also recognized the fact that the Ottomans were retreating to Kartli (Tiflis), the Erivan khanate, the Azerbaijani lands (Shemakha, Tabriz) and the North-Iranian lands (Qazvin).

Unfortunately, the sudden death of the Russian emperor (a number of researchers believe that Peter "helped" to die), crossed out the bright prospects of Russia in Persia. The death of the emperor in 1725 changed much on the shores of the Caspian and in the Caucasus. The reigning Catherine I declared the continuation of her husband’s policy, but in fact she did not even have a small fraction of his state capabilities. And the “nestlings of Petrov’s nest” turned out to be only good performers of the emperor’s will. None of them, even Alexander Menshikov, possessed a strategic level of thinking. In St. Petersburg, there were no defenders for the continuation of Peter’s case of "cutting a window" to the East, to India. There were various intrigues at court, there was a struggle for power, ranks, brilliant balls and holidays were arranged, and no one was concerned about any overseas lands south of Astrakhan.

Petersburg, by inertia, reinforced the Bottom (Persian) Corps. But this was no longer caused by the desire to continue the advance to the south, but by the conflict with Turkey. Istanbul was thinking of capturing the whole of Transcaucasia, Gilan and a section of the Caspian coast. However, for this it was necessary to oust the Russian forces from Persia. In addition, the position of the Russian forces on the southern and western shores of the Caspian Sea deteriorated. The Persians, encouraged by the fact that the Russians had stopped the offensive, began to increase pressure. The lower building kept only separate points, between them there were robber gangs, the roads were unsafe. Nobody paid taxes to the Russian treasury. Russian regiments were supplied only from Astrakhan. Gradually, the Russians began to hand over some positions to the Persians. Salyan garrison was taken to Baku. The Russian posts left the banks of the Kura and also moved closer to the Baku Bay. It was also restless in Dagestan. The garrison in Derbent was in constant alarm, as it could be attacked at any time. Shamkhal Tarkovsky, who convinced Peter of his loyalty, entered into an alliance with the Kazikumik Khan and the Karakaytag tribe. They all set their sights on the Russian settlements on Sulak.

From the side it seemed that the position of the Russians in the Sulak valley was hopeless. But it turned out differently. When 25-th. the army of Shamkhal went on the offensive, on the way of this army was a small Agrakhan redoubt. He was defended by 50 Russian infantry and 100 of the Terek Cossacks under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Maslov. Shamkhal began a siege of fortifications. However, the garrison not only defended itself skillfully, but also made a desperate sortie, which was crowned with the famous Russian bayonet strike. The highlanders were so impressed with this outing that they fell out and went home. Only Shamkhal remained with his warriors. He also retreated to Tarki.

The commander of the Russian troops in the Caucasus, Matyushkin, did not leave this treachery without punishment, and responded with a punitive raid. Major General Kropotov's detachment was ordered to exterminate those auls that participated in the attack on the Russian possessions and take Shamkhal dead or alive. For the head of a dead Shamkhal promised 2 thousand rubles in silver, for live - 5 thousand rubles. Expedition completed its task. But Shamkhal failed to take. He ran away, leaving his possessions. Then the raid was repeated by Colonel Eropkin. Tarki took, the Shamkhal palace was crushed. Shamkhala was driven into the Dagestan mountains. Having not received support and having lost everything, Shamkhal thought again and gave up, asking for forgiveness. He hoped to save for his kind of considerable land south of the Terek. Matyushkin ordered the arrest of Shamkhal, as a state criminal, he swore allegiance to Russia. He was tried and sent to Murmansk Coke, where he ended his life path. The Empress ordered the destruction of the Tarkovsky shamkhalism (later Persia, having restored its position in the Caucasus, would restore it as its vassal possession).

Matyushkin’s actions showed that in the Caucasus and Persia (in the East in general), only offensive actions bring success. Energetic, decisive and tough generals, and statesmen achieve victory. To establish the Russian presence on the southern and western shores of the Caspian Sea, it was necessary to work a lot. Unfortunately, in Petersburg, all the energy and resources went to completely different goals. The result was sad. All the works of Peter and the Russian soldiers, the builders were put to ashes. Petersburg, in an effort to avoid war with Turkey (which still began), returned all Caspian oblasts to the Persian empire according to the Resht (1732) and Ganja treaties (1735).
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  1. Boris55
    Boris55 April 2 2013 07: 53 New
    -9
    On hacked windows and everything d ... .. surged to us. We still disentangle.

    1. Nesvet Nezar
      Nesvet Nezar April 2 2013 08: 19 New
      +4
      Ha ha ha ... A spoiler. How many children do you have? Afraid of difficulties in raising children? You dream about your beautiful life. And they give birth. And deprmo the one who believes that children and their number is wildness ... Be fruitful and multiply - this is, among other things, the commandment of Christ ....
      1. Prometey
        Prometey April 2 2013 11: 35 New
        +7
        Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
        And deprmo the one who believes that children and their number is wildness ....

        And where does the number of children in general and how does it fit with Peter 1?
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 April 2 2013 13: 51 New
        +1
        The man! I'm from 55 born I already have grandchildren and a granddaughter. The eldest grandson recently received a passport ...
      3. nakaz
        nakaz April 2 2013 21: 56 New
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        Trying to avoid a war that started anyway ...
        No concessions without retaliatory action to our political opponents!
    2. Russian
      Russian April 2 2013 10: 05 New
      +8
      Do you want to say it was necessary to stay within the former borders, without access to the seas? And then what status of a great power could be discussed? The article is correctly written, in the Caucasus they only understand force, therefore slack cannot be allowed, and we are all talking about them, hence the deplorable situation now.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 2 2013 10: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        and in the Caucasus they only understand force, therefore slack cannot be allowed, and we are all snuggling with them, hence the deplorable situation now.

        HISTORY NEEDS TO KNOW AND MAKE CONCLUSIONS !!!! After all, history repeats itself, and only the one who takes advantage of its lessons will emerge victorious.
        1. Russian
          Russian April 2 2013 13: 15 New
          +1
          I agree with you! Moreover, we have a rich history, it seems to me that everything that is possible with our country has already been, it would seem, analyze, and draw conclusions! But no, on the same rake, and this happens very often with us.
          It would be time, it would be time, if not on strangers, then at least to learn from our mistakes!
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 April 2 2013 16: 28 New
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          Quote: Egoza
          History repeats itself

          Not really, Lena. History is repeated ........ sometimes
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 April 2 2013 13: 49 New
        0
        Right is right. Access to the seas is needed. But for what? What would we be to them or they to us?
        1. mamba
          mamba April 2 2013 15: 49 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          Access to the seas is needed. But for what? What would we be to them or they to us?

          Both for the sake of economic development through trade and cultural exchange. Self-isolation has not yet brought benefits to any state. On the other hand, it is worth recalling Veliky Novgorod, which flourished in the Hanseatic League.
          1. Kostya pedestrian
            Kostya pedestrian April 8 2013 17: 09 New
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            I will add that water open spaces are a very convenient border line, while the seas and oceans are just an ideal border.
    3. Xay
      Xay April 2 2013 13: 22 New
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      Yes, we disintegrate .... Vodka, debauchery and everything else.
      Yes, not a little did, Vivat.
    4. Russian
      Russian April 2 2013 15: 05 New
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      I watched the video, heard about these facts, and the fact that our ancestors fought with the Chinese, and after the end of the war they built the Wall of China, and about the replacement of Peter 1. But then, we are talking about the fact that after the replacement, he transfers military interests to the Baltic He’s completely unable to command troops, and so on. But excuse me, the Great Embassy was in 1697-1698, and in this article all the campaigns took place in the 1720s, some kind of connection! And about the fact that when he took command over himself, he always lost, also nonsense. Somehow a lot of questions for this video.
      In general, the video focuses only on the minuses of the reign of Peter 1, although there were not a few pluses, of course, the figure is controversial, but to say that there was only one harm from Peter 1 to Russia, I think is wrong.
      1. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 2 2013 23: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        completely unable to command troops, and so on. But excuse me, the Great Embassy was in 1697-1698, and in this article all the campaigns took place in the 1720s, it’s not a match! And about the fact that when he took command over himself, he always lost, also nonsense. Somehow a lot of questions for this video.

        I read your comment and re-read the article, so if you had carefully read this article you would have noticed that Peter was sailing, land operations were commanded by colonels and other ranks of the ground forces, several battles, without Derbent fighting, that’s all the victories. On land, Peter himself did not lead, the storm stopped the onset ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, paradox ,,,,,,,,, 29 ships out of 274 sank and Peter sailed to Astrakhan, then to Peter and Having built 20 ships in a year, Nifega commanded himself. That’s me, by the way. That such actions just confirm Peter's sea skills (you can believe the video, you can’t believe it, but the fact is that Peter was good only at sea and went to the Caspian after he resolved the issues in the Baltic) and inability land operations, 45000 soldiers and sailors for the first company made one combat march and stopped in Derbent which surrendered itself, that’s the top of commanding art ,,,,,,,,,, and there is a storm.
        So there are a lot of questions to Peter, about himself and his open "windows", about his reforms, in relation to the Russian people, and on the video ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well look what he did upon his return from Europe and tell me if this is what the true Russian ruler does with his country.
  2. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar April 2 2013 08: 16 New
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    When he cut through the Russians giving birth. And now Russians do not give birth. To give birth to the lot of savages, consider Russian (and Europe also believes).
  3. smel
    smel April 2 2013 09: 36 New
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    Matyushkin’s actions showed that in the Caucasus and Persia (in the East in general) only offensive actions bring success
    Offensive action brings EVERYWHERE
  4. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 April 2 2013 11: 34 New
    +1
    By an amazing "providence" Russia now has the same tasks as Peter 1.
    The "transport cross" with its southern tip just goes through Astrakhan and Baku.
    Is it possible to extend it towards India?
    Will a dozen RTOs help us, or is something more substantial in the Caspian needed?
    Again, Iran imitates its navy.
    And the story shows the animals love stiffness.
    1. Gari
      Gari April 2 2013 12: 15 New
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      The Salyan naib Hussein-bey met the Russians amiably and ordered the soldiers to be accommodated. The outward friendliness of local residents led to the fact that Russian officers became careless and went to the naib not only without a convoy, but also without personal weapons. At one of the feasts, a hostile crowd rushed at the Russian commanders and put them to death "in the most barbarous way." The same fate threatened the battalion, but the dragoons were warned in time and managed to board the ships, and sailed to Baku.
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      And the story shows the animals love stiffness.
      1. kNow
        kNow April 2 2013 19: 38 New
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        Eeeh Gary, Gary .... Do not give up attempts to expose Azerbaijanis as non-humans ...

        In topic:
        "Peter the first ordered his subordinates to caress the Armenians so that they would settle in Russia, so that later they would become Russian slaves bydloids, and Russia gets it. And how did they do it? They, with the help of the Ottomans, cut our lands and made our country unviable, so that the Armenians always go Rashka ... And they stayed there, assimilated and forgot who they were ... Such a fate awaits all peoples in Rashka .. Do you think the Chechens are not assimilated there? And have you seen Vadim Genadiy Chenov by name? Let's introduce Rashka this evil beware of her ! This is the idea of ​​Pan-Slavism, to make as many Russian cattle from non-indigenous peoples as possible, fucking them with Maruska "

        Link:
        http://forum.hayastan.com/lofiversion/index.php/t41969.html


        "Erivan Khanate, Azerbaijani lands (Shemakha, Tabriz)" - this phrase would be more correct - "Erivan Khanate and other Azerbaijani lands (Shemakha, Tabriz)"
        1. Gari
          Gari April 2 2013 20: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: kNow
          Eeeh Gary, Gary .... Do not give up attempts to expose Azerbaijanis as non-humans ...
          never in my thoughts
          You say again, the Persian authorities began to eat over time. They came to their senses: they demanded that Colonel Shipov leave Rasht, threatening to otherwise use military force .....
          The Persians were stunned by the sudden appearance of the Russians and showed no resistance .....
          The Salyan naib Hussein-bey met the Russians amiably and ordered the soldiers to be accommodated. The outward friendliness of local residents led to the fact that Russian officers became careless and went to the naib not only without a convoy, but also without personal weapons. At one of the feasts, a hostile crowd rushed at the Russian commanders and killed them "in the most barbarous way" ...
          September 12, 1723 in St. Petersburg, Russia and Persia entered into a peace agreement, according to which the Persians recognized vast territories of Russia as Derbent, Baku, Rasht, the provinces of Shirvan, Gilyan, Mazenderan and Astrabad ....
          where in this article it is said about the Azerbaijanis whom I offended
          I never if you carefully read my comments, even when your countryman insulted me and tried to humiliate me and my country, I never humiliate your nation and your country, there was a war now between our countries, trenches, the guys are dying, I’m I will not let it


          Minus did not want to set
          1. kNow
            kNow April 2 2013 20: 55 New
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            Quote: Gari
            never in my thoughts

            only this was in my thoughts, otherwise you would not have cited from this article only this quote ...

            Quote: Gari
            where in this article it is said about Azerbaijanis whom I offended

            Salyan is a city of Azerbaijan, and Huseyn-bey was the ruler of this city. You selectively citing an article set Russian users against us, like look at which animals, they killed Russian soldiers and immediately offer a recipe
            Quote: Gari
            And the story shows the animals love stiffness.


            Quote: Gari
            I never if you carefully read my comments, even when your countryman insulted me and tried to humiliate me and my country, I never humiliate your nation and your country, there was a war now between our countries, trenches, the guys are dying, I’m I will not let it


            Yes, you are smart, why directly insult and earn a ban when you can provoke Azerbaijanis and give them the opportunity to earn punishment?

            Stop arranging srach and pretend to be a sheep ...

            Quote: Gari
            Minus did not want to set

            I understand that the hand itself reached out there :) do not worry about this, if there is such a function, it’s a sin not to use
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 3 2013 00: 05 New
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              Quote: kNow
              Yes, you are smart, why directly insult and earn a ban when you can provoke Azerbaijanis and give them the opportunity to earn punishment?

              Stop arranging srach and pretend to be a sheep ...

              in my opinion, if you hadn’t climbed in, nobody would have noticed, especially since it’s difficult to understand the Armenian flag as an Armenian, you are an Azerbaijani or an American troll, by the way, do not forget that Khazaria has been in this territory for a long time, not in vain on the map (in the article) Jewish battle stars
              1. kNow
                kNow April 3 2013 08: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: alexandr00070
                in my opinion if you had not climbed

                I’m talking with Gary, you’re getting into our conversation. He understands what I mean, but you don’t.
                Quote: alexandr00070
                all the more with the American flag it’s hard to understand the Armenian you are an Azerbaijani or an American troll

                Why are you all so afraid of the American flag? the flag changes depending on the provider. Yesterday I was in the country, I used mobile Internet, and from there the flag. Tired of already explaining ...
                Quote: alexandr00070
                by the way, don’t forget that the Khazaria has been in this territory for a long time, it’s not for nothing that the battle stars, Jewish on the map (in the article)

                What does this have to do with what I wrote?
                1. Gari
                  Gari April 3 2013 10: 40 New
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                  Quote: kNow
                  Why are you all so afraid of the American flag? the flag changes depending on the provider. Yesterday I was in the country, I used mobile Internet, and from there the flag. Tired of already explaining ...

                  I don’t know which provider you have, and I’m wondering why you have the American flag, and your other countryman has Turkish, although this is your business
                  It was just a question in the country and what is so interesting to be in the country and surf the Internet
                  I was 3 days in the country and not like the Internet, I didn’t want to see the laptop, my eyes were resting and my nerves too
                  In spring already, in the country and work there is something to do, trees, digging there and friends, barbecue
                  1. kNow
                    kNow April 3 2013 19: 02 New
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                    Quote: Gari
                    I don’t know which provider you have

                    This is not for you ...
                    Quote: Gari
                    but it’s interesting to me why you have the American flag, and your other countryman has Turkish, although this is your business

                    He does not sit next to me, the flag can be anything.
                    Quote: Gari
                    It was just a question in the country and what is so interesting to be in the country and surf the Internet
                    I was 3 days in the country and not like the Internet, I didn’t want to see the laptop, my eyes were resting and my nerves too
                    In spring already, in the country and work there is something to do, trees, digging there and friends, barbecue

                    Let me decide for myself what to do in the country ... I go to the country after work every day until the fall, given traffic jams - an hour's drive ...
            2. Gari
              Gari April 3 2013 10: 24 New
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              Quote: kNow
              I understand that the hand itself reached out there :) do not worry about this, if there is such a function, it’s a sin not to use

              I know love you do it
              1. kNow
                kNow April 3 2013 19: 03 New
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                Quote: Gari
                I know love you do it

                Do not measure your arshin. I can sometimes put, if I do not agree, but to write laziness :)
        2. Gari
          Gari April 2 2013 20: 20 New
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          Quote: kNow
          Erivan Khanate, Azerbaijani lands (Shemakha, Tabriz) "- this phrase would be more correct -" Erivan Khanate and other Azerbaijani lands (Shemakha, Tabriz) "

          as well as the Baku Khanate all this was in Persia
          1. kNow
            kNow April 2 2013 20: 57 New
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            Quote: Gari
            as well as the Baku Khanate all this was in Persia

            Persia, Russian Empire, Soviet Union .... What does it change?
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 3 2013 00: 10 New
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              Quote: kNow
              Persia, Russian Empire, Soviet Union .... What does it change?

              Khazaria my friend Khazaria - it changes a lot, your hatred of Russia from there.
              1. kNow
                kNow April 3 2013 08: 01 New
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                Quote: alexandr00070
                Khazaria my friend Khazaria - it changes a lot

                What is changing? wassat
                Quote: alexandr00070
                Your hatred of Russia from there

                Wake up.
                1. alexandr00070
                  alexandr00070 April 4 2013 19: 42 New
                  +1
                  Quote: kNow
                  In topic:
                  "Peter the first ordered his subordinates to caress the Armenians so that they would settle in Russia, so that later they would become Russian slaves bydloids, and Russia gets it. And how did they do it? They, with the help of the Ottomans, cut our lands and made our country unviable, so that the Armenians always go Rashka ... And they stayed there, assimilated and forgot who they were ... Such a fate awaits all peoples in Rashka .. Do you think the Chechens are not assimilated there? And have you seen Vadim Genadiy Chenov by name? Let's introduce Rashka this evil beware of her ! This is the idea of ​​Pan-Slavism, to make as many Russian cattle from non-indigenous peoples as possible, fucking them with Maruska "

                  Isn’t this your quote pierced by hatred of Russia, and hatred of Russia from your place dates back to the time of the Khazars, you carefully read when the Arabs of the Jews arrived in the Caucasus and converted everyone to their faith, the Khazar koganate, defeated after the Russian soldiers ... ....................... and it turns out that the anger is genetic
                  1. kNow
                    kNow April 5 2013 08: 05 New
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                    Quote: alexandr00070
                    Quote: kNow
                    In topic:
                    "Peter the first ordered his subordinates to caress the Armenians so that they would settle in Russia, so that later they would become Russian slaves bydloids, and Russia gets it. And how did they do it? They, with the help of the Ottomans, cut our lands and made our country unviable, so that the Armenians always go Rashka ... And they stayed there, assimilated and forgot who they were ... Such a fate awaits all peoples in Rashka .. Do you think the Chechens are not assimilated there? And have you seen Vadim Genadiy Chenov by name? Let's introduce Rashka this evil beware of her ! This is the idea of ​​Pan-Slavism, to make as many Russian cattle from non-indigenous peoples as possible, fucking them with Maruska "

                    Is this your quote is not riddled with hatred of Russia and hatred of Russia from your places has been going on since the Khazars, you carefully read when the Jews of Arabs came to the Caucasus and converted everyone to their faith, the Khazar koganate, defeated after the Russian soldiers ............ .............. and it turns out that anger is genetic

                    God forbid, this is not my phrase, I'm not sick of the head, this is a quote from the Armenian forum, I gave a link ...
                    http://forum.hayastan.com/lofiversion/index.php/t41969.html
          2. fuad-m7
            fuad-m7 April 3 2013 02: 27 New
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            AND THE PERSIAN RULES WERE AZERBAIJAN !!!
          3. fuad-m7
            fuad-m7 April 3 2013 02: 28 New
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            Quote: Gari
            as well as the Baku Khanate all this was in Persia

            AND THE PERSIAN RULES WERE AZERBAIJAN !!!
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 4 2013 19: 52 New
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              Quote: fuad-m7
              AND THE PERSIAN RULES WERE AZERBAIJAN !!!

              Persians, (pers. فارسی‌زبان [fɒːrsi-zæbɒːn], pers. ایرانی [irɒːni], pers. فارس [fɒːrs], obsolete pers. پارس [pɒːrs]) - Iranian people, ethnolinguistic community of numerous regional groups of the population of Iran and some surrounding countries, for which Farsi is the mother tongue, represented by various dialects. The largest and leading component of the Iranian nation, united by a common sedentary agricultural and urban culture.
              Starting from the 6th century the ethnic name of the Persians (Dr. Persian pārsa-), one of the unions of Iranian-speaking tribes that settled the Iranian plateau as a result of the expansion of the Aryans from Central Asia [7], is firmly associated with the Anshan region east of the Elam proper, known since then as Parsa (Persis) - the territory of the modern Ostan Fars, the cradle of Persian statehood and the Persian language [8]. Apparently, already in the ancient era, the ancient Persian language was also spoken in neighboring areas: Mekrane and Kerman, whose population (hedroziev and germanium) Herodotus ranks among the Persians [XNUMX].
              The common name for the Persian-speaking inhabitants of Iran after the Muslim conquest was the Arabic word »م [ʕadʒam] “mumbling”, “barbarian”, widely used as a self-name in Persian literature, especially in the western regions, where the opposition عرب [ʕarab] “speaking clearly ”,“ Arab ”- عجم [ʕadʒam]“ barbarian ”,“ Iranian ”.
          4. fuad-m7
            fuad-m7 April 3 2013 02: 43 New
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            (How Peter I cut through the "door" to the East) This is what the policy of Peter the Great brought you to the wrong door !!!!
        3. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 2 2013 23: 53 New
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          Quote: kNow
          In topic:
          "Peter the first ordered his subordinates to caress the Armenians so that they would settle in Russia, so that later they would become Russian slaves bydloids, and Russia gets it. And how did they do it? They, with the help of the Ottomans, cut our lands and made our country unviable, so that the Armenians would always go to rushka ...


          Actually, the topic says:
          "In the last two years of Peter the Great's life, representatives of Armenia turned to him several times. They asked for help. So, in 1724, a message from the patriarchs Isaiah and Nerses came to St. Petersburg with a request to accept the Armenian people into Russian citizenship. Peter Alekseevich gave a positive response to the Armenian patriarchs. and the rulers, taking them under the patronage of Russia "
          that is, we did not ask them to ourselves, but they to us, if this is not clear to you.
          and yet you are very mistaken in your new homeland about our great desire to see representatives of the territories you named here in Russia in any form, and moreover, God forbid, they settled. Dear, even in this article it is said that it was not with the help of the Turks that Russia cut off the territory of Armenia, but could not seize and hold the territory, and in general the current territory of Armenia, and other Caucasian republics, consists of lands that were once repulsed and held back by force Russian soldiers. And on that land spilled over the centuries so much Russian blood and yours
          Quote: kNow
          Rashka is evil, beware of her! This is the idea of ​​Pan-Slavism, to make as many Russian cattle from non-indigenous peoples as possible, fucking them with Maruska "
          this is nonsense of gray gelding, but here the influence of the country of the sheltering outcast
          1. kNow
            kNow April 3 2013 08: 02 New
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            Quote: alexandr00070
            Quote: kNow
            In topic:
            "Peter the first ordered his subordinates to caress the Armenians so that they would settle in Russia, so that later they would become Russian slaves bydloids, and Russia gets it. And how did they do it? They, with the help of the Ottomans, cut our lands and made our country unviable, so that the Armenians would always go to rushka ...


            Actually, the topic says:
            "In the last two years of Peter the Great's life, representatives of Armenia turned to him several times. They asked for help. So, in 1724, a message from the patriarchs Isaiah and Nerses came to St. Petersburg with a request to accept the Armenian people into Russian citizenship. Peter Alekseevich gave a positive response to the Armenian patriarchs. and the rulers, taking them under the patronage of Russia "
            that is, we did not ask them to ourselves, but they to us, if this is not clear to you.
            and yet you are very mistaken in your new homeland about our great desire to see representatives of the territories you named here in Russia in any form, and moreover, God forbid, they settled. Dear, even in this article it is said that it was not with the help of the Turks that Russia cut off the territory of Armenia, but could not seize and hold the territory, and in general the current territory of Armenia, and other Caucasian republics, consists of lands that were once repulsed and held back by force Russian soldiers. And on that land spilled over the centuries so much Russian blood and yours
            Quote: kNow
            Rashka is evil, beware of her! This is the idea of ​​Pan-Slavism, to make as many Russian cattle from non-indigenous peoples as possible, fucking them with Maruska "
            this is nonsense of gray gelding, but here the influence of the country of the sheltering outcast

            If you walked along the link, you would see that this is the opinion of Armenians about your "shelter"
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 4 2013 20: 00 New
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              Quote: kNow
              If you walked along the link, you would see that this is the opinion of Armenians about your "shelter"


              Well walked and here you are, people from that forum write like this

              "Peter I, so punished not in order to make the Armenians slaves, but because the lands in the south of Russia were empty and hardworking people were needed capable of mastering them, the Armenians were also famous as good artisans and therefore could develop and benefit the Russian state. with Maruska, then in the Russian Empire marriages of Russians with Muslims were prohibited, it was possible to marry with foreigners only if he accepted Orthodoxy, in general there were Armenian-Russian marriages, but they were not a spontaneous widespread phenomenon. all the same, this is a great power. at least it was such. yes, and it is impossible to criticize the Russians for nationalism in full, since this is their land and state created primarily by the Russian people. accordingly, their country, their deeds, they want to do it. and Naturally, the Armenians of the Russian people are not anything serious objazan.po yours turns out that the Russian = slaves, in what it is possible you are right, but all the same, Russia as a state rests precisely on the Russian people. Accordingly, there are no Russians, there is no Russia. At the expense of the Ottomans and Russians, well, this is complete nonsense about stripped-down lands, now it's fashionable to fraternize with the same Persians, but if it weren't for Russia, Eastern Armenia would not exist, because before joining Russia, the Armenians in it were no longer more than 34 percent of the population, and precisely due to the fact that the Russians needed a Christian rear in the east, they encouraged the mass migration of Armenians from Iran and the Ottoman Empire to eastern Armenia. At the expense of Pan-Slavism, it only concerned the Slavic peoples, that is, the idea of ​​uniting all Slavs around Russia. at the expense of evil Russia. if it is so evil, why the hell are all and sundry going there, how stupid it turns out, Russia is just a third world country, however, like Armenia and all the CIS, and its disadvantages are approximately the same as in any of the these countries. "

              in my opinion there are sensible things
              1. kNow
                kNow April 5 2013 08: 08 New
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                Quote: alexandr00070
                Well walked and here you are, people from that forum write like this

                at last...

                Quote: alexandr00070
                in my opinion there are sensible things

                it means they have not completely lost their heads ...
        4. Gari
          Gari April 3 2013 10: 33 New
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          Look at the map in this article where Azerbaijan is written
          and where is Karabakh, Kapan, Yerevan, I didn’t write an article, and moreover I didn’t draw up a map
          1. kNow
            kNow April 3 2013 19: 06 New
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            Quote: Gari
            Look at the map in this article where Azerbaijan is written

            Looked
            Quote: Gari
            where is Azerbaijan written
            and where is Karabakh, Kapan, Yerevan, I didn’t write an article, and moreover I didn’t draw up a map

            Half of today's Armenia is part of Azerbaijan :) actually, the map for this article was drawn, it is not "ancient" as you like :)
  5. xan
    xan April 2 2013 12: 19 New
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    The captured highlanders were hanged, in revenge for the murder, on the orders of Akhmet Khan, of the Russian Yesaul and three Cossacks (they were sent to Utsmiya with a peace-keeping letter).

    For insulting himself personally, Peter punished cruelly, and he treated the war in the east differently. I was very sorry that there was no time and opportunity to avenge Bekovich-Cherkassky, but I really wanted to. Meanwhile, he forgave the Swedish field marshal Renschild for the murder of several thousand Russian prisoners sent to the club-handed Augustus to help even before Poltava. Okay, captured Swedes, they can be used in the national economy, but Renschild's Euroboy had to be hanged with the words "Death of a dog to the dog."
    1. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 3 2013 00: 14 New
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      Quote: xan
      Meanwhile, he forgave the Swedish Field Marshal Renschild for the murder of several thousand Russian prisoners sent to the club-handed Augustus to help even before Poltava. Okay, captured Swedes, they can be used in the national economy, but Renschild's Euroboy had to be hanged with the words "Death of a dog to the dog."

      but what is it
      When the colonel asked for reinforcements, Peter refused, saying: “I will not give. Stenka Razin with five hundred Cossacks was not afraid of the Persians, and I give you two battalions of regular troops. ”
      that is, only on the courage of the Russian troops and the ability of commanders, and not on the ability to fight Peter, was this company
  6. smart ass
    smart ass April 2 2013 12: 35 New
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    I remember how on TV Zhirinovsky crucified about Peter the Great !! He told me how sick he was about the tyrant’s head! (Who cares, look at YouTube) And I didn’t do anything good for Russia) I arrived in such horror that an adult with 2 higher educations could carry this through the central channel)
    1. Black
      Black April 2 2013 14: 21 New
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      Quote: Clever man
      I remember how on TV Zhirinovsky crucified about Peter the Great !!

      Do you understand "where" Zhirik and who is Peter !! ??

      Energetic, decisive and tough generals, and statesmen achieve victory.
      This is nice !!! The Caucasus requires rigidity, consistency and determination. It was, is and will always be. Do not forget about that! And do not relax like Zimbulatov.
      1. xan
        xan April 2 2013 19: 51 New
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        Quote: Chen
        Do you understand "where" Zhirik and who is Peter !! ??


        Peter, like Stalin, was the same lack of money, and he hardly understood what comfort and relaxation, showing off and spreading is.
        But the power is great, and the deeds are great.
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 3 2013 00: 29 New
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          Quote: xan
          Peter, like Stalin, was the same lack of money, and he hardly understood what comfort and relaxation, showing off and spreading is.
          But the power is great, and the deeds are great.

          Well, you compared the monarch on a gilded throne, arranging drunken parties and receiving a good contribution from the captured countries and the revolutionary after whom the Great Country and a suit with boots remained
          1. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak April 3 2013 14: 25 New
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            alexandr00070 "well, you compared a monarch on a gilded throne"
            Actually, he was more and more with a carpentry ax in his hands. And he was not sitting on the throne.
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 4 2013 20: 03 New
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              Quote: Nagaibak
              Actually, he was more and more with a carpentry ax in his hands. And he was not sitting on the throne.

              These are tales from the Soviet history textbook. You do not need to expose it as a lumberjack, the tsar is the tsar
      2. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 3 2013 00: 22 New
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        Quote: Chen
        I remember how on TV Zhirinovsky crucified about Peter the Great !!

        sorry, I will continue
        8. For the maintenance of his army, Peter 1 required enormous funds, most of which was plundered by crooks from the Russians and foreigners beloved by Peter. Most of it was stolen by foreigners, many of whom were poor at home or came from impoverished noble families. They were second, third, etc. sons and could not hope for an inheritance. Some of them, having filled their pockets with unprecedented wealth, returned to their homeland, others preferred to continue to profit from the people who were strangers to them.

        9. To replenish the rapidly emptying treasury, Peter 1 introduces many taxes and the state vodka monopoly. Vodka was sold in state taverns, taverns and in pits (horse-changing stations). Peter began to impose drunkenness in Russia, at all levels of society. Vodka monopoly brought fabulous profits to the treasury, which was necessary for its purposes. In Soviet times, the Bolsheviks multiplied the experience of Peter the Great, making vodka a liquid currency.

        10. The New Year tree is another German innovation of Peter 1. The Russian people used to be the Christmas trees for the Petrovsky taverns and taverns.

        All the “great activities” of Peter the Great led Muscovy, which under it became known as the Russian Empire, into a deplorable economic state. Victories over Sweden brought enormous disasters to the Russian people, or rather, the part of it, moaning under the yoke of the Romanovs, the yoke real, and not invented by them by the Mongol-Tatar, which never existed.

        “It is possible to achieve the goal with other European peoples in humane ways, but not with the Russians ... I do not deal with people, but with animals that I want to transform into people” - Peter 1

        11. In 1708, Peter began the reform of the Russian language - a “civil script” was created to make Russian books look like Western European ones. Then, to make copies, Peter ordered to bring old books from all the monasteries to the capital. After the “making copies” - no one saw the copies or the originals.

        12. In 1724, by order of Peter the Great, the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences was founded, in the image and likeness of Western European academies, but with one difference - the Western European academies were autonomous, and the St. Petersburg depended on the state. For 1 years, there were 120 academic historians at the historical department, of which only three were Russians, including MV Lomonosov. the rest are Germans who wrote the history of Russia, and some of them did not even know the Russian language! This fact is well known to professional historians, but is not advertised.
    2. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 3 2013 00: 19 New
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      Quote: Clever man
      I remember how on TV Zhirinovsky crucified about Peter the Great !! He told me how sick he was of a tyrant on his head! (Who are interested in looking at YouTube) And did nothing good for Russia) I arrived in such horror that an adult with 2 higher educations could carry this through the central channel)

      that is, having access via the Internet to information, you still consider Peter the Great to be Great, but what about his reforms, wars, etc., etc., I repeat, but if you are too lazy:

      Reforms of Peter 1

      Peter 1 returned from the “German lands” in 1699.

      1. Immediately after arrival, it changes the Russian calendar to Julian. Summer 7208 from S.M.Z.Kh. becomes 1700 year from R.Kh. Thus, the history of the Russian people, numbering many thousands of years, disappeared. There were conditions for the fabrication of history, which was rewritten by the "great Russian historiographers" Bayer, Miller, Shletser. After several generations, few people already remembered what happened before Peter the Great. (The history of Russia was invented by the Germans in the XNUMXth century)

      2. The introduction of serfdom, in fact slavery, which has never been in Russia. Even prisoners of war in Russia were never slaves, they were not humiliated, they worked in the economy of the “master” as workers, ate with him from the same table and slept in the same house. “Slavery” consisted in the fact that their work was not paid, and after several years of punishment they were invited to return to their homeland. And with such an attitude of the Russians towards man, at the beginning of the XNUMXth century they are made themselves slaves, in the worst sense of the word, and this is done by none other than the sovereign priest, whose decisions were considered acceptable to God.
      * The Russian people for many thousands of years, no one could turn into slavery, the Russian soul does not accept slavery with all its fibers. But the enemies of the Russian people found the only possible option of enslavement - through the absolute monarchy, which served as the beginning of the genocide of the Russian people.

      3. Peter's reforms and wars had a negative economic effect. The population from 1700 to 1725 decreased from 18 to 16 million people. The introduction of serfdom with slave labor, threw the economy far back. While almost all the countries of Western Europe were freed from the remnants of slavery, realizing that without it they are doomed, their protege Peter 1 on the contrary introduces slavery in Muscovy.

      4. The Petrine Church reforms were directed against Orthodox Christianity and against the warden-guardians of the Slavic-Aryan Vedism who went underground. Peter 1 ordered the old books to be removed from all monasteries for “making copies,” after which no one saw the books brought to the capital, nor did the copies taken from these books. For non-execution of the order was the death penalty. Along with the disappeared church books, Peter changed the Initial Letter, introduced the “civil script” and approved the European (Arabic) numbers instead of letter designations.

      5. The expulsion of Cossack hordes (troops) from Muscovy forced Peter 1 to begin the formation of an army according to the Western European model. For this, Peter 1 attracted military personnel from European countries, providing them with huge benefits and privileges in relation to Russian officers. The monarchy of will occurred dominance of foreigners in the army, in the public service, in the system of education and training.
      6. The defeat of the Swedish army led to the weakening of Sweden and the loss of its influence on the countries of Europe, which led to their strengthening due to the victories of the Russian troops. Territorial acquisitions were disproportionate to the losses incurred - 2 million people. The lives of Russian people have become a bargaining chip in the political games of Western European politicians.

      1. xan
        xan April 3 2013 11: 58 New
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        Alexander, why are you writing so many letters?
        Are these your thoughts, or did you take them from somewhere, maybe they took them out of context?
        Quote: alexandr00070
        The expulsion of Cossack hordes (troops) from Muscovy forced Peter 1 to begin the formation of an army according to the Western European model.

        Where did you get this nonsense?
        Before Peter, Russia could not cope with Poland; after Peter, if Russia had opponents, then only the strongest powers, and even then relatively. And regarding reforms, foreigners and economic development, see the example of Turkey, which left the first role of a power. About the time of Peter, about foreigners and Russians very well, and most importantly in the complex, Molchanov wrote "The Diplomacy of Peter the Great", was published in the USSR. As for the bribe-takers, the main thing was to leave behind the power of the elite, which will not turn away from the Peter's vector.
        The Russian Empire began with Peter, with his personal initiative. And he could just swim in luxury until the end of his days.
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 4 2013 20: 21 New
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          Quote: xan
          Where did you get this nonsense?
          Before Peter, Russia could not cope with Poland; after Peter, if Russia had opponents, then only the strongest powers, and even then relatively. And regarding reforms, foreigners and economic development, see the example of Turkey, which left the first role of a power. About the time of Peter, about foreigners and Russians very well, and most importantly in the complex, Molchanov wrote "The Diplomacy of Peter the Great", was published in the USSR. As for the bribe-takers, the main thing was to leave behind the power of the elite, which will not turn away from the Peter's vector.
          The Russian Empire began with Peter, with his personal initiative. And he could just swim in luxury until the end of his days.


          it’s very convenient to consider Russia seedy, but for example

          “On September 1, 1600, a general assault on Constantinople began from land and sea. On the fifth day, Russian troops broke into the city, but the street fighting lasted for another 2 weeks. Hoping for the help of Abdul-Halim, the Turks fiercely resisted. In the process of fighting, the opponents did not hesitate to set fire to houses, and whole neighborhoods turned to ashes.Bulgarian units, breaking into Phanar, recalled their activities in the role of tax tax farmers to the local Greeks. , and twice the Russian fleet sank the hastily organized Turkish flotillas. "
          notice the year long before Peter the Turks were soaked with their Russian fleet, and how many then the Turks of Peter beat, well, so on
          "
          In May 1601, Russian troops and navy attacked Finland and occupied most of the country. Sigismund fled to Poland. Filyandia was transferred to the new king of Sweden, Karl IX, with the exception of Vyborg, which Tsar Ivan Ivanovich retained for his help. "
          notice for six months, and not like Peter the Northern War for 20 years, and then everything that you conquered, redeemed, well, so on (incidentally, archers and Cossacks fight)
          Briefly about the east.

          The natural result of the conquest of Kazan was the Russian advance into Bashkiria. In 1586, the Russians built the fortress of Ufa in the heart of Bashkiria. This ensured their control over most of the local tribes. The head of the Russian administration in Bashkiria was the governor, who usually had the rank of steward (colonel). The clerk and several clerks conducted business in a hut in Ufa. Eleven translators were attached to the voivode office. The Russian garrison of Ufa was small. Around 1600, it consisted of twenty-five boyar children, 220 archers and four artillerymen. A year later, the Russian military forces strengthened

          By 1600, the Russians had established firm control over Western Siberia. In this AI, the Siberian Khanate was conquered back in 1565, but since the main colonization flows go south, the development of the region is proceeding at about the same pace as in real life.
          there are early campaigns, it’s not for nothing that in Europe they called the Tsar Ivan the Terrible
          http://do.gendocs.ru/docs/index-46738.html?page=20
  7. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu April 2 2013 13: 47 New
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    Extract from the diary of Henry Bruce - a participant in the campaign of Peter I to Dagestan.
    ".. Admiral (Apraksin) asked the captive mullah how dare they (just over 10) attack a properly trained and numerous army (more than 000), which surpassed all the forces that they could put up and all the possible help that they could to expect from all their neighbors. ”Mulla replied that the main thing and above all else, they (the Dagestanis) are considered a free nation, and they will never worship a foreign prince, that they are not afraid of our infantry, do not particularly appreciate the abilities of the Cossacks and only dragoons confused their discipline and military talent, which have never before been seen in this region. "
    Another captive, when he was brought to the tent (Admiral Apraksin), did not want to answer any questions that were offered to him, then they ordered him to undress and beat him with whips. Having received the first blow, he pulled out a sword from an officer standing next to him, ran to the admiral’s tent and, probably, would have killed him if the two sentries standing by the tent had not thrust their bayonets into his stomach. Falling, he tore a piece of meat from his watchmaker's teeth with his teeth, after which he was killed. When the emperor entered the tent, Admiral Apraksin said that he had come to this country so that he would be devoured by rabid dogs, and he had never been so frightened in his life. The emperor, smiling, replied: “If this people (Dagestanis) had a concept of military art (organization), then no nation could take up arms with them (that is, fight with them)” (L. 54).
    1. xan
      xan April 2 2013 14: 37 New
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      Quote: Lakkuchu
      “If this people (Dagestanis) had a concept of military art (organization), then no nation could take up arms with them (that is, fight them)” (L. 54).


      Napoleon "One Mameluk is stronger than a Frenchman, a hundred by a hundred are approximately equal, a thousand by a thousand the French will win"
    2. xan
      xan April 3 2013 12: 03 New
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      Quote: Lakkuchu
      Extract from the diary of Henry Bruce - a participant in the campaign of Peter I to Dagestan.
      ".. Admiral (Apraksin) asked the captive mullah how dare they (just over 10) attack a properly trained and numerous army (more than 000), which surpassed all the forces that they could put up and all the possible help that they could expect from all your neighbors.

      Where does this figure come from - one hundred thousand soldiers? In Poltava, a little over forty were in the Prut campaign against the Turkish superpower of 35 thousand.
      And so it’s clear where there is dead Turkey to Dagestan
      1. Lakkuchu
        Lakkuchu April 3 2013 13: 10 New
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        Quote: xan
        Where does this figure come from - one hundred thousand soldiers? In Poltava, a little over forty were in the Prut campaign against the Turkish superpower of 35 thousand.
        And so it’s clear where there is dead Turkey to Dagestan

        I brought the extract verbatim, so you can redirect this question to Bruce himself, though I'm afraid he will no longer be able to answer you.
        Firstly - it was a Persian campaign, the name speaks for itself, i.e. it was directed against Persia, hence the corresponding number of troops.
        Secondly, it is incorrect to compare Turkey and especially Russia with Dagestan, just look at the map and ask at least the population. But at the same time, the small mountaineers of Dagestan remained independent and inserted those who came to our land, including the Turks.
  8. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu April 2 2013 13: 58 New
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    Peter first came to Dagestan to build schools, hospitals and bring civilization to savages, but savages for some reason did not appreciate this noble intention. What a savage!
    An interesting excerpt from the secret instruction of Peter I to Lieutenant General Matyushkin speaks for himself: “But Basurman, he calmly quieted so that they would not know how much was possible diminish, namely Turkish law (i.e. Sunnis). Also, when I look around, I would let you know how many Russian nations are possible there for the first time settle».
    "Thank!" - we say to Peter,
    "Thank you" say no offense,
    And if there were excesses,
    So thanks to Peter,
    That not everyone died here.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 2 2013 16: 39 New
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      and Basurman, zelo quietly,

      Few people know that the word "basurman" changed its original meaning at the beginning of the 17th century, after the Great Troubles.
      Under Peter 1, and even now it means a person of a different faith, a different language, other traditions.
      In the pre-Domanovian era, this word meant a subject of the tsar, so were called whole groups of people who accepted the citizenship of the Russian tsar.
      This word is compound, literally it sounds like "my father, my king."
    2. kNow
      kNow April 2 2013 19: 43 New
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      Quote: Lakkuchu
      Peter first came to Dagestan to build schools, hospitals and bring civilization to savages, but savages for some reason did not appreciate this noble intention. What a savage!
      An interesting excerpt from the secret instruction of Peter I to Lieutenant General Matyushkin speaks for himself: “But Basurman, he calmly quieted so that they would not know how much was possible diminish, namely Turkish law (i.e. Sunnis). Also, when I look around, I would let you know how many Russian nations are possible there for the first time settle».
      "Thank!" - we say to Peter,
      "Thank you" say no offense,
      And if there were excesses,
      So thanks to Peter,
      That not everyone died here.

      Eeeh Gary, Gary .... Do not give up attempts to expose Azerbaijanis as non-humans ...

      In topic:
      "Peter the first ordered his subordinates to caress the Armenians so that they would settle in Russia, so that later they would become Russian slaves bydloids, and Russia gets it. And how did they do it? They, with the help of the Ottomans, cut our lands and made our country unviable, so that the Armenians always go Rashka ... And they stayed there, assimilated and forgot who they were ... Such a fate awaits all peoples in Rashka .. Do you think the Chechens are not assimilated there? And have you seen Vadim Genadiy Chenov by name? Let's introduce Rashka this evil beware of her ! This is the idea of ​​Pan-Slavism, to make as many Russian cattle from non-indigenous peoples as possible, fucking them with Maruska "

      Link:
      http://forum.hayastan.com/lofiversion/index.php/t41969.html
  9. xan
    xan April 2 2013 14: 40 New
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    It remains to give examples of the highlanders' advanced lifestyle, achievements in science and culture, and examples of humanism
  10. biglow
    biglow April 2 2013 16: 47 New
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    nothing could stand against the Russian spirit and bayonet both then and now and in the future.
    1. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu April 2 2013 17: 19 New
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      Even as they stood! For your spirit, others have had their own spirit.
      1. xan
        xan April 2 2013 19: 54 New
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        Quote: Lakkuchu
        Even as they stood! For your spirit, others have had their own spirit.

        Well, where are those with their spirit who were still standing?
        1. kNow
          kNow April 2 2013 19: 57 New
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          Quote: xan
          Well, where are those with their spirit who were still standing?

          In Paradise. And where are those who flooded into foreign lands?
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 3 2013 00: 34 New
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            Quote: kNow
            In Paradise. And where are those who flooded into foreign lands?


            if it weren’t Russian territory, then it’s definitely Turkish, there’s no third, and those who really speak in paradise because the big people put for a small life
        2. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu April 2 2013 20: 05 New
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          They live near you, even in one state. And now they are driving kicks in the ass of especially spiritual Russian children, for example, in the army.
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 3 2013 00: 43 New
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            Quote: Lakkuchu
            They live near you, even in one state. And now they are driving kicks in the ass of especially spiritual Russian children, for example, in the army.


            well, do not forget, even in percentage terms, the number of Russians in the army and "those who are near" is at times different (by the way, it happens that the Russians are again forward to the embrasures, and "those who are near" will not be near) and at the expense of kicks in the ass, to offend your defenders
            1. Lakkuchu
              Lakkuchu April 3 2013 08: 18 New
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              Quote: alexandr00070
              well, do not forget, even in percentage terms, the number of Russians in the army and "those who are near" is at times different (by the way, it happens that the Russians are again forward to the embrasures, and "those who are near" will not be near) and at the expense of kicks in the ass, to offend your defenders

              Indeed, at times ... usually for one "who is nearby" there are several hundred "our defenders". All lay down on the embrasures in unison, again poor knowledge of the history of their own country.
              1. alexandr00070
                alexandr00070 April 4 2013 20: 35 New
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                Quote: Lakkuchu
                usually there are several hundred "our defenders" for one "whoever is near". All lay down on the embrasures in unison, again poor knowledge of the history of their own country.

                what is the story of "how they kick in the ass especially perfumed Russian guys, for example in the army." and in the lists on the embrasures in the Second World War there are few non-Russians. Know the history yourself, and on the "defenders" any war leaves
      2. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 3 2013 00: 32 New
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        Quote: Lakkuchu
        Even as they stood! Others have had their own spirit for your spirit


        history tells the opposite
        1. Horde
          Horde April 3 2013 00: 55 New
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          [quote = alexandr00070] welcome here a little discussion developed, it seems people are inclined to believe that Peter was GREAT, but only GREAT laughing
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 3 2013 01: 17 New
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            Quote: Horde
            people are inclined to believe that Peter was GREAT, but only GREAT

            Greetings to the Horde, therefore, it is necessary for those who are too lazy to provide more information, for example:
            In the official Russian historiography, Peter 1 was considered to be one of the outstanding statesmen of Russia, his merits can be read in any history textbook, however, from the end of the XVII century there are conflicting assessments of the personality and activities of Peter.

            Tolstoy L.N. (1828-1910) - Russian writer, thinker. About Peter 1 - “There was a rabid beast. The great bastard, the pious robber, the murderer ... Forget about it, and not erect monuments. ”

            Voloshin M.A. (1877-1932) - Russian poet, translator. He called Peter "the first Bolshevik."

            Solonevich I.L. (1891-1953) - Russian historian, publicist. Extremely negatively assessed the personality of Peter and his reforms. Accused Peter of cruelty, tyranny and cowardice; in the gap between the ruling elite and the people.

            Burkovsky A.M. - Russian writer, historian. Following the Old Believers, he calls Peter 1 “the anti-christ king”, “the possessed sadist” and the “bloody monster”. According to Burkovsky, everything attributed to Peter was known long before him. Before the reforms of Peter the Great, Russia was much more developed and free than after.

            Quotes by contemporaries of Peter 1

            Deacon of the Miracle Monastery Jonah Kirilovets spoke about the replaced Peter
            - “The Tsar is not the tsar and not the tsarist generation, but the German ... When the Tsar’s Princess Natalya Kirillovna had a daughter’s son’s family and then the Tsar, Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich, was angry with her, Tsarina ... And when the time came for her to give birth to a daughter, and then she, Tsar being afraid of him, the sovereign, in exchange, from the German settlement, the baby was masculine to the floor, from the Lefortovo Palace ... ”

            Peasant Startsev - “What kind of king is he, he is the Antichrist, and not the king, he left his kingdom and a knowledgeable with the Germans and lives all in a German settlement, on Wednesday and at heel he eats meat. Do not expect the Antichrist again, he is the Antichrist. ”

            The monk, the former captain Levin - "The last times have come ... Now we have not the king, but the Antichrist - makes us monks eat meat and live with wives ...".

            Popular opinion - “There is no Tsar Pyotr Alekseevich and Tsar Tsarevich in Moscow, they are plagued, the boyars and the Germans are plagued, the Antichrist reigns in his place”.

            The opinion of the serfs was “The sovereign, not the tsarist tribe, of the German breed, but the great sovereign, was concealed by the Germans from their mothers, at an early age, and instead of the evo they replaced the new. The Germans are cunning, they’re letting the face go. ”

            A certain peasant - “The Tsar has released all his land, they have remained only soul and body ... There is no Tsar in Moscow. Seven years in captivity, and Nemchin sits in the kingdom. I chopped off thousands of four archers. If he were a sovereign, would he begin to desolate his land. ”
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 3 2013 01: 34 New
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              Quote: alexandr00070
              then it’s necessary, for those who are lazy to provide more information, for example:

              so or :
              Sagittarius is a special combination of royal rati. Until the Petrine era, they were the main troops of the Russian army. Perhaps, having learned about the substitution, in 1698 a streltsy revolt begins. Sagittarius intended to enthrone Princess Sophia to the throne. However, the riot was brutally suppressed. About 2000 archers were executed. Peter 1 personally chopped off 5 streltsy heads, participated in mass tortures and executions. The investigation and executions continued until 1707. As a result, one of the main military forces of Russia was destroyed.

              The history of Russia was invented during the reign of Peter 1, in the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences, which he created, where the main part of the academic historians were Germans. In just a couple of decades, the Russian calendar was replaced and ancient books destroyed, i.e. all references to the real history of Russia, its traditions. Then they came up with a new font (more understandable to foreigners), opened the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences, invited German "professors", who came up with a new history of Russia.
              Russian scientists, led by Lomonosov, fought for the right to have Russian history, they were opposed by the Germans, led by Miller, with the undisguised support of the Romanov court.

              Lomonosov in 1749 opposed the new version of Russian history created by Miller and Bayer. He criticized Miller’s dissertation on the origin of the name and people of Russia. Since that time, studies on historical issues have become a necessity for Lomonosov, for the sake of them he even abandons the duties of a professor of chemistry. In a correspondence with Shuvalov, he mentioned his works - “On the State of Russia during the Reign of Tsar Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich”, “Notes on the Monarch’s Works”, “Abridged Description of the Sovereign’s Affairs” (Peter the Great), “Description of Impostors and Streltsy Riots”.

              But all the works and numerous documents that Lomonosov intended to publish in the form of notes, manuscripts and preparatory materials were confiscated and disappeared without a trace. Several works were nevertheless published, but after 7 years! after the death of Lomonosov and edited by Miller. Computer analysis showed that this was a fake - there was little left of Lomonosov in them.

              The same with the works of the Russian historian Tatishchev. The works were published after his death, edited by Miller. For some drafts of Tatishchev, the originals of which mysteriously disappeared.

              Romanovs and Western European rulers needed a distorted Russian history. Slavic peoples were created that exalt the West and embrace its spiritual culture.
              “He who rules the past rules the future” - J. Orwell
              1. alexandr00070
                alexandr00070 April 3 2013 01: 50 New
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                Quote: alexandr00070
                those who are too lazy to provide more information, for example:

                or:
                Before Peter, the succession order in Russia was not regulated by law, and was entirely determined by tradition. Peter in 1722 issued a decree on the succession order, according to which the reigning monarch appoints a successor during his lifetime, and the emperor can make anyone his heir (it was assumed that the king would appoint "the most worthy" as his successor). This law was in force until the reign of Paul I. Peter himself did not use the law of succession to the throne, as he died without indicating a successor.
                and Katka rushed on our head

                The main goal pursued by Peter I in social policy is the legal registration of class rights and obligations of each category of the population of Russia. As a result, a new structure of society was formed, in which the estate character was more distinctly formed. The rights were expanded and the duties of the nobility were determined, and at the same time, the serfdom of the peasants was strengthened.

                There have been changes in the Russian language, which includes 4.5 thousand new words borrowed from European languages

                Gradually, among the nobility, a different system of values, worldview, and aesthetic ideas was formed, which radically differed from the values ​​and worldview of most representatives of the other estates.

                The church has also undergone significant transformations. Thus, Peter I carried out a reform, expressed in the creation of a collegial (synodal) administration of the Russian Church. The abolition of the patriarchate reflected the desire of Peter I to liquidate the "princely" system of church power, unthinkable under the then autocracy. By declaring himself de facto the head of the church, Peter destroyed its autonomy. Moreover, he made extensive use of the institutions of the church to carry out his policies. Those filed, on pain of heavy fines, were obliged to attend church and confess their sins to the priest, who, according to the law, was obliged to inform the authorities about everything illegal that became known in confession.

                As Professor E.V. Anisimov notes, the Petrine era turned out to be a real hit for the Russian merchants. The sharp increase in direct taxes from merchants as the most affluent part of the townspeople, the forcible squashing of trading companies (the form of organization of trade that seemed to Peter the most suitable in Russian conditions) is only part of the means and methods of coercion that he applied to merchants on a large scale, setting as his main goal to obtain as much money as possible for the treasury. In line with such events, one should also consider the forced relocation of merchants (and among the most affluent) to St. Petersburg - an undeveloped, long-time essentially front-line city, as well as administrative regulation of cargo flows, when merchants were clearly indicated in which ports and what goods they could trade.
                1. Nagaibak
                  Nagaibak April 3 2013 08: 53 New
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                  alexandr00070 "Gradually, among the nobility, a different system of values, perception of the world, aesthetic ideas was formed, which was fundamentally different from the values ​​and worldview of most representatives of other classes."
                  In Russia, even now, the elite of kids is rafting to the west. And there they grow in that environment and instill in them those values. So that they will also be different from us.
                  1. Horde
                    Horde April 3 2013 13: 16 New
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                    And there they grow in that environment and instill in them those values. So that they will also be different from us.


                    they will not be "different" pin_dos KILL Russian kids
                    According to official figures, over the past 10 years, 19 Russian children have been killed by US citizens.
                    1. Nagaibak
                      Nagaibak April 3 2013 14: 27 New
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                      Horde "] Only according to official data, 10 Russian children have been killed by US citizens over the past 19 years."
                      Actually, I meant the kids in London of our elite, so to speak.
                      1. Horde
                        Horde April 3 2013 15: 00 New
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                        Actually, I meant the kids in London of our elite, so to speak.


                        Well, yes, the elite, in London, it’s not our Jewish one.
                  2. alexandr00070
                    alexandr00070 April 4 2013 20: 38 New
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                    Quote: Nagaibak
                    In Russia, even now, the elite of kids is rafting to the west. And there they grow in that environment and instill in them those values. So that they will also be different from us.

                    they will be and I hope they will stay there, and do you think children brought up on Western values, without the participation of their parents, will bring a mug of water in their old age?
              2. Nagaibak
                Nagaibak April 3 2013 08: 49 New
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                alexandr00070] "Lomonosov in 1749 opposed the new version of Russian history created by Miller and Bayer."
                Well, Lomonosov criticized the Norman theory ... and? Received from Razumovsky.
                "On October 6 (17), 1750, for a quarrel with Lomonosov, Miller was demoted for a year by the president of the Imperial Academy of Sciences and Arts, Count K. G. Razumovsky, from a professor to an adjunct at the Academy and a salary reduction from 1000 rubles to 860 rubles in Year. Soon, however, Miller was forgiven, under the condition of first submitting a petition for forgiveness. "
                Everything else in your post is similar to the conspiracy theory of hostile forces.
                1. alexandr00070
                  alexandr00070 April 4 2013 21: 43 New
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                  Quote: Nagaibak
                  Well, Lomonosov criticized the Norman theory ... and? Received from Razumovsky.
                  "On October 6 (17), 1750, for a quarrel with Lomonosov, Miller was demoted for a year by the president of the Imperial Academy of Sciences and Arts, Count K. G. Razumovsky, from a professor to an adjunct at the Academy and a salary reduction from 1000 rubles to 860 rubles in Year. Soon, however, Miller was forgiven, under the condition of first submitting a petition for forgiveness. "


                  Lomonosov was nearly executed for this quarrel
            2. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak April 3 2013 08: 43 New
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              alexandr00070 "A certain peasant -" The sovereign released all his land, remained only in body and soul ... The sovereign is not in Moscow. Seven years in captivity, and Nemchin sits in the kingdom. He chopped down from four thousand riflemen. If he was a sovereign, would it be so empty your land. "
              Particularly pleased with the opinion of a peasant. Apparently a sociological survey was conducted by the Levada Center and correspondent Shraibikus.
              1. alexandr00070
                alexandr00070 April 4 2013 21: 44 New
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                Quote: Nagaibak
                Particularly pleased with the opinion of a peasant. Apparently a sociological survey was conducted by the Levada Center and correspondent Shraibikus.

                and in your opinion there was a dark Russia, there were only fools on the street, you won’t interrogate a clever word
        2. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu April 3 2013 08: 06 New
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          Quote: alexandr00070
          history tells the opposite

          Bad means you know the story. By the way, how many years has the conquest of the Caucasus been going on, namely, the war with the highlanders of the North Caucasus? Do you know?
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 4 2013 22: 12 New
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            Quote: Lakkuchu
            Bad means you know the story. By the way, how many years has the conquest of the Caucasus been going on, namely, the war with the highlanders of the North Caucasus? Do you know?

            You do not know the history well, even Svyatoslav defeated the Khazar Kaganate, which was in the Caucasus, including, "" "" "Resistance to the Russians was led not by Bek Joseph, who shamefully fled along with his fellow tribesmen, but by an unnamed kagan. To achieve victory over the completely demoralized Turkic-Khazars The chronicler laconically declares that after Itil, Semender and Sarkel fell. Luxurious gardens and vineyards were plundered and burnt, the inhabitants of the cities fled. The death of the Jewish community of Itil gave freedom to the Khazars and all neighboring peoples. All parties relying on the support of aggressive Judaism lost their support. In France, the Carolingian dynasty lost its position, yielding hegemony to the national princes and feudal lords, the Caliph in Baghdad weakened and lost control over their possessions, and the Khazar Jews themselves scattered across the outskirts of their the former power. "" "" "" "
            that is, even then. 1000 years ago, the Ruhr people repulsed you from some owners, and then they constantly rescued from someone.
            And you probably call the skirmishes with the mountaineers skirmishes with the inhabitants of some villages, villages, so then, according to your classification, there is a war going on now (there are so many rebellious mountaineers in the forests), but do not forget that many mountaineers themselves knocked on the doors


            "The relationship of Russia with peoples and states on both sides of the Caucasus Mountains has a long and difficult history. After the breakup of Georgia in the 1460s into several separate kingdoms and principalities (Kartli, Kakheti, Imereti, Samtskhe-Javakheti), their rulers often turned to the Russians kings with requests for protection.

            In 1557, the military-political union of Russia with Kabarda was concluded, in 1561 the daughter of the Kabardian prince Temryuk Idarov Kucheny (Maria) became the wife of Ivan the Terrible. In 1582, residents of the vicinity of Beshtau, constrained by the raids of the Crimean Tatars, came under the protection of the Russian Tsar. Kakheti Tsar Alexander II, constrained by the attacks of Shamkhal Tarkovsky, sent an embassy to Tsar Theodore in 1586, declaring his readiness to enter Russian citizenship.
            In the Time of Troubles (beginning of the XNUMXth century), relations between Russia and Transcaucasia ceased for a long time. The repeated requests for help that the Transcaucasian rulers addressed to Tsars Mikhail Romanov and Alexei Mikhailovich were not satisfied.
            Under Anna Ioannovna, the beginning of the Caucasian line was laid. The treaty of 1739, concluded with the Ottoman Empire, Kabarda was recognized as independent and was to serve as a "barrier between both powers";
            According to the St. George Treatise on July 24, 1783, the Georgian Tsar Irakli II was taken under the auspices of Russia. In Georgia, it was decided to maintain 2 Russian battalions with 4 guns


            well, etc., and so we are still fighting, then the Ottomans supported the spirits, now the Americans, and then and now the Highlanders are engaged in their favorite fun --- the war
      3. biglow
        biglow April 4 2013 19: 03 New
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        Quote: Lakkuchu
        Even as they stood! For your spirit, others have had their own spirit.

        are the Caucasians stol? The one who Shamil surrendered, although he could still resist for a long time, educated people explained to him that the Russians would not stop and after some time the mountain peoples would not be able to make up for the losses, and 18 years old teenagers and then in the villages would first replace the dead there will be no men and Caucasian tribes will come to a physical end.
        Kadyrov Sr. also understood this and went over to the side of the federal forces. Such a story, many were strong and brave, but only the most skilled survived ...
  11. Horde
    Horde April 2 2013 17: 36 New
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    for those who do not go to the beginning of the topic a few thoughts.

    Thanks to Peter, we have Peter


    -Peter imposed rampant drunkenness among the nobility, binges were for several DAYS, many died from this
    -Peter forced the people to smoke tobacco, NO DAMAGE for all the time, but then of course there are MILLIONS of lives.
    -Peter changed the RUSSIAN LIFESTYLE by introducing the Gregorian calendar, introducing into the Russian circulation LATINISMS and other foreign words, which is very similar to today, it just makes you sick of Americanisms, I can imagine how our ancestors spat at that time.
    -the introduction of non-Russian costume, a departure from the traditions of RUSSIAN ARCHITECTURE (TEREMA) WAS REPLACED BY THE FOREIGN WESTERN AND GREEK ARCHITECTURE STYLES.
    -punishment of your own son - UNAUGHTIBLE HARDNESS.
    -system of education, which did not teach ANYTHING, but only stupid.
    -physical destruction of the Russian people through all sorts of adventurous enterprises such as the Prut campaign.
    -Significant time Peter lived abroad because he did not like Russia.
    -As a result of the lengthy Northern War, it turned out that the WORLD was NOT CONQUERED, as it should be in an honest heroic war, but PURCHASED for gold. PETER WAS EVEN NOT EVEN A SILVER.
    - the impostor appropriated the title of EMPEROR over which they openly laughed in the west.
    -Peter finally ENROSED the people under Peter, the peasants lost ALL RIGHTS and finally turned into slaves.
    -And the last one, if any of our leader, ruler is openly praised in the West, then it is UNCLEAFLY either a thief, or an impostor, like Peter is a tyrant ARE THE TREATER of the Russian people.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak April 2 2013 18: 59 New
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      Horde- "Peter imposed indiscriminate drunkenness among the nobility, revelry was for SEVERAL DAYS from this, many died."
      1. Lists kindly provide who died and when.
      Horde "-Peter imposed on the people an indiscriminate smoking, no one considered the DAMAGE for all the time, but then of course MILLIONS of lives."
      2. The people under Peter didn’t smoke much, much later became addicted. Although Little Russia in full smoke. An example of this is Taras Bulba with his cradle.
      Horde- "Peter changed the RUSSIAN WAY OF LIFE by introducing the Gregorian calendar, the introduction of LATINISM and other foreign words into the Russian circulation, which is very much in common with today, from Americanisms just sick, I can imagine how our ancestors spat then."
      3.Changes mainly affected the elite, and the Russian people in their mass did not notice these innovations.
      Horde "- the introduction of a non-Russian costume, a departure from the traditions of RUSSIAN ARCHITECTURE (TEREMA) WAS REPLACED BY AN ALIEN Western and Greek styles of architecture"
      4. Costumes obliged to wear the elite, the people in their original walked. Western buildings were massively built except in St. Petersburg and a little in Moscow. It was after Peter that they began to build up in a Western manner.
      Horde "-system of education, which did not teach ANYTHING, but only stupid.
      -physical destruction of the Russian people through all sorts of adventurous enterprises such as the Prut campaign.
      -For a considerable time Peter lived abroad because he did not like Russia "
      5.This is just a bold statement to say the least.
      The Horde, as a result of the prolonged Northern War, it turned out that the WORLD was NOT CONQUERED, as it should be in an honest, heroic war, but BUY for gold. PETER WAS NOT EVEN A GOLD LEADER. "
      6. Just a miserable statement.
      Horde "-the impostor claimed the title of EMPEROR, which was openly laughed at in the West."
      7. First, maybe they laughed in the west. Can you bring a source where we will see that they were laughing? And then some statements are not supported by anything.
      Horde "-Peter finally fortified the people under Peter, the peasants lost ALL RIGHTS and finally turned into slaves."
      Not entirely correct remark. "And only under Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich, the Sobornoye Ulozhenie of 1649 establishes an indefinite attachment to the land (that is, the impossibility of a peasant exit) and a fortress to the owner (that is, the owner's power over the peasant who is on his land).
      However, according to the Cathedral Code, the owner of the estate does not have the right to encroach on the life of a peasant and deprive him of a land plot. It is allowed to transfer the peasant from one owner to another, however, even in this case the peasant must again be “planted” on the ground and endowed with the necessary personal property (“bellies”).
      Since 1741, the landlord peasants are removed from the oath, there is a monopolization of ownership of the serfs in the hands of the nobility, and serfdom extends to all ranks of the proprietor peasantry; The second half of the 2th century is the final stage in the development of state legislation aimed at strengthening serfdom in Russia. "This is from Wiki.
      8. It’s not good to hang all the dogs on Peter just like that.
      Horde "- and the last if any of our leader, ruler is openly praised in the West"
      9. Etozh who praised him? In my opinion they were afraid of him. Until now, the will of Peter I walks around. The Europeans are still afraid.
      1. Horde
        Horde April 2 2013 20: 22 New
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        I saw better drawings than your clothes and faces of local Aborigines. Cities passing by and where they stopped. I think you can find information about this expedition. It was not secret. If you find let me know. I’ll refresh my memory, so to speak.


        You still didn’t answer me about the pictures drawn by Miller, otherwise you took a very convenient position to criticize everything you won’t see, WHERE THE PICTURES THAT YOU SEE ???
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak April 2 2013 21: 24 New
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          Horde "you still did not answer me about the pictures drawn by Miller, otherwise you have taken a very comfortable position to criticize everything that he does not see, WHERE THE PICTURES THAT YOU SEEN ??"
          Free access Horde, free access. I have no time to do your educational program. Joke. Want to find find. Although I see you do not need it. This will not correspond to your harmonious theory of the existence of mysterious states hidden from us by the Romanovs.
          1. Horde
            Horde April 2 2013 21: 49 New
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            Quote: Nagaibak
            Free access Horde, free access. I have no time to do your educational program.


            Well, naturally, everything that I like EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN THE WORLD, AND HOW TO LIVE THAT OTHERWISE? I blurted out something, and you should find confirmation of his words "everything is freely available." This is such a simple way of conducting a discussion.
            You Nagaybak remind a nine-grader girl - "here Seryozha is tall, I really like handsome, it means EVERYTHING he does it well, but I don't like Petya clumsy, taciturn, so everything he does is bad and wrong" laughing
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak April 3 2013 07: 53 New
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              Horde "You Nagaybak remind a ninth-grade girl -" here Seryozha is tall, I really like handsome, it means EVERYTHING he does it well, but I don't like Petya clumsy, taciturn, so everything he does is bad and wrong. "
              You Horde don’t know what to call me. And you yourself are offended out of the blue.
              1. Horde
                Horde April 3 2013 13: 25 New
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                Quote: Nagaibak
                You Horde don’t know what to call me. And you yourself are offended out of the blue.


                too much honor to be offended by you, you more and more reveal your "dark sides".
                1. Nagaibak
                  Nagaibak April 3 2013 14: 29 New
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                  The horde "has too much honor to take offense at you, you are exposing your" dark sides "more and more."
                  It’s not for you to judge the Horde, I did not insult you or be rude ... he found the dark sides heh ... heh the lamp.
      2. Horde
        Horde April 2 2013 21: 37 New
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        Not entirely correct remark. "And only under Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich Sobornoye Ulozhenie 1649


        According to the Code of 1649, the peasant was deprived of the right to leave the land, but in all other respects he was completely free. The law recognized him the right to property, the right to engage in trade, to conclude contracts, to dispose of his property by will. ”Commenting on this assessment of Shmurlo, I. Solonevich very aptly exposes the false judgments of the majority of Russian historians about the origin and nature of serfdom.“ Our historians, - he writes - consciously or unconsciously admit a very significant terminological overexposure, for "serf man", "serfdom" and "nobleman" in Muscovite Rus were not at all what they became in Petrovskaya. The Moscow peasant was not anyone's personal property. He was not a slave. She was in approximately the same position as an ordinary Cossack was at the end of the last century. The peasant was to the same extent subordinate to his landowner, as the Cossack to his chieftain. The Cossack could not abandon his regiment, could not leave his land, the chieftain could flog him, like the landowner of the peasant, and this was an order of military-state subordination, not an order of slavery. Slavery was initiated by Peter. "
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak April 3 2013 07: 56 New
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          Horde Do you quote Solonevich? This is probably not bad. ..Only the hitch is that Russian peasants were enslaved during the 17-18 centuries. Gradually this happened. Under Peter, this continued and ended much later. He has nothing to blame for all his sins.
          1. Horde
            Horde April 3 2013 12: 37 New
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            Gradually it happened


            you know, you actually have involvement in the "glorious representatives of the closed historical workshop" calling themselves "academic history" your arguments are very much like a way to keep the defense, which I saw on the forum of the site NEW CHRONOLOGY. Now traditions do not go there, the arguments are over, and it has become dangerous, the "science of history" has grown decrepit, fewer defenders are left to say historical nonsense.

            I brought you the point of view where BLACK in RUSSIAN brings such an idea "to Peter there was ONE serfdom with a certain degree of freedom, DURING Peter the KRASFOST RIGHT turned into slavery. What is not clear? fool
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak April 3 2013 14: 32 New
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              Horde "AT THE TIME OF PETER THE RIGHT OF THE FORTRESS turned into SLAVERY. What's not clear?"
              To school, to school ... again at the desk ...
              1. Horde
                Horde April 3 2013 14: 45 New
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                Horde "AT THE TIME OF PETER THE RIGHT OF THE FORTRESS turned into SLAVERY. What's not clear?"
                To school, to school ... again at the desk ...


                for such a conversation is only a minus
      3. Horde
        Horde April 2 2013 22: 38 New
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        The changes affected mainly the elite, and the Russian people in their mass did not notice these innovations.

        Western suits forced the nobility, the merchants and the army to wear, which made the soldiers called up to wear the UNCONVENIENT WESTERN uniforms SUFFERED.
        It was not enough for the PEASANTS to wear stockings.

        These are just bold statements to say the least.

        The Academy of Sciences was opened in 1724, but the Russians appeared in it only in 1746 and Russian works began to be published at the same time, BEFORE EVERYTHING WAS either LATIN or GERMAN.
        In 1746, the appointment of the first Russian president of the Academy took place, it was Count K. G. Razumovsky. Domestic scientists began to be elected to the Academy. The first Russian academicians were S. P. Krasheninnikov - the author of the first natural science book ("Description of the Kamchatka Earth"), written in Russian, M. V. Lomonosov, poet V. K. Trediakovsky, and later astronomers N. I. Popov, S I. Y. Rumovsky, P. B. Inokhodtsev, naturalists I. I. Lepekhin, N. Y. Ozeretskovsky, V. F. Zuev and others.


        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80%D0
        %B3%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0
        %BD%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%BA


        Just a miserable statement.


        when the war lasted more than twenty years 1700-1721, when the HUGE RESOURCES of the state human, material were spent, when during the "reforms" Russia in 1700 -20 miles people. the end of the "reforms" 17-18 miles. people
        Sweden: Now in this country there are just over 9 million people. In 1950, there were about 7,04 million Swedes, in 1900 - 5,13 million people. In 1850, the population of the country amounted to 3,482 million people, in 1800 - 2,347 million people. According to the data of 1750 (the first census in Sweden), 1,764 million people lived in the country. Well, of course, by 1700 g it was even less. It took PETER MORE THAN TWENTY years to rely on the SUPPRESSING FORCES OF RUSSIA together with ALLIES Denmark, Poland, Prussia, Livonia !!! (remember, according to TI in the LIVON WAR, Belarus and Belarus are together thrashed Ivan the Terrible himself) laughing and who will doubt Peter's lack of talent both as a politician and as a military commander, only Nagaybak. laughing

        It’s not good for Peter to hang all the dogs just like that.


        is it EVERYTHING or something else come up with?

        Until now, the will of Peter I walks around. The Europeans are still afraid


        yes there is such a fad -type take the heirs to the throne, ONLY GERMAN BRIDES ??? this led to the fact that the Romanovs degenerated, and the last man of the Romanovs in a straight line — Tsarevich Alexei lived only 14 years old. Here is Peter's legacy.
        1. Petrospek
          Petrospek April 2 2013 23: 02 New
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          I would argue with you, but it makes sense to argue with the great historian who only yesterday found out that the money was paid to the Swedes.
          You write, write, it entertains me.
          Know that one loyal fan of your writings is me fellow
          1. Horde
            Horde April 2 2013 23: 32 New
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            Quote: Petrospek
            I would argue with you, but it makes sense to argue with the great historian who only yesterday found out that the money was paid to the Swedes.
            You write, write, it entertains me.
            Know that one loyal fan of your writings is me fellow


            did the reader come? WHOSE WILL YOU BE? however, reading is not harmful, harmful to write, do not you write well? stop
          2. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 3 2013 01: 31 New
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            Quote: Petrospek
            I would argue with you, but it makes sense to argue with the great historian who only yesterday found out that the money was paid to the Swedes.
            You write, write, it entertains me.

            You look carefully at whose phrases Nagaybak’s phrases are highlighted in white, and the Horde answers, if you could even start arguing without understanding who answered what, then it would be fun to see your dispute.
            1. Petrospek
              Petrospek April 4 2013 10: 07 New
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              I wrote to the one whom I wanted to write
        2. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak April 3 2013 08: 15 New
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          Horde "why the soldiers who were called to wear UNCOMFORTABLE WESTERN UNITS HAVE SOUGHT."
          1. In Europe, the soldiers also suffered, they had such a fate. And the uniform distinguishes the army from the rabble.
          Horde "Academy of Sciences was opened in 1724, but Russians appeared in it only in 1746"
          2. Nevertheless, Russian scientists and works in Russian appeared. But it might not have happened at all.
          "Horde" when the war lasts more than twenty years 1700-1721, when the HUGE RESOURCES of the state human, material were spent, when during the "reforms" Russia in 1700 -20 miles people. the end of the "reforms" 17-18 miles. people. "
          3. The wars in those days lasted for several decades, and I don’t see any oddities in this. The figures of losses among the population you rather estimated censuses to Peter in my opinion was not made.
          Horde "we will recall how, according to TI, in the LEBON WAR, the locals, together with Lithuania-Belarus, famously beat Ivan the Terrible himself) and who here would doubt Peter's LESSNESS both as a politician and as a military commander, only Nagaybak"
          4. There they also fought for 20 years. You, as usual, the Horde mixed everything up. By the way, even then the superiority of Europeans in field battles made itself felt. The Livonian war is a very good example of this. Ours then fought well in the fortresses, but not in the field against the Europeans. And then the Swedes had Karl 12 no need to say. Denmark withdrew from the war with one blow.
          Horde "yes there is such a fad -type to take to the heirs of the throne, ONLY GERMAN BRIDES ??? this led to the fact that the Romanovs GENERATED, and the last man Romanov in a straight line - Tsarevich Alexei lived only 14 years. Here is the legacy of Peter."
          You probably did not read the will and gloriously.
          1. Horde
            Horde April 3 2013 11: 38 New
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            .In Europe, the soldiers also suffered, they had such a fate. And the uniform distinguishes the army from the rabble.


            damn you Nagaybak, you would wrap you in Judashkin plastic and throw it to the north to serve and you would have a "fate like this" eggs ring and hoarfrost. Peter the Germans were far away.
            Nevertheless, Russian scientists and works in Russian appeared. But it might not have happened at all.


            on this topic, he is figuring out what kind of benefit Russia was brought by "cutting a window" to Europe, and so for the formation of Russia, THERE IS NO USE, into this window all the European rabble pretending to be scientists rushed into this window and Russia fought with the CONSEQUENCES of such a policy in the 18th century and 19th century In the 20th century, the Germans were driven out, but their places were taken by railways.

            The wars in those days lasted for several decades, and I don’t see any oddities in this. The figures of losses among the population you rather estimated censuses to Peter in my opinion was not made


            the order of the numbers that I quote is basically CORRECT

            Civil war of 1696-1702 in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania
            Great Northern War (1700-1721)
            War of the Spanish Succession (1701-1714)
            Bulavinsky Uprising (1707-1709)
            [edit] 1710-1719

            Russian-Turkish War (1710 — 1713)
            Turkish-Venetian War (1714-1718)
            Austro-Turkish War (1716-1718)
            War of the Fourth Alliance (1718-1720)
            The Second Oirat-Manchu War (1715-1739)
            [edit] 1720-1729

            Turkish-Persian War (1722-1727)
            Persian campaign (1722-1723)
            Anglo-Spanish War (1727-1729)
            [edit] 1730-1739

            Turkish-Persian War (1730-1736)
            The War of the Polish Succession (1733-1735)
            The Spanish-Portuguese War (1735-1737)
            Russian-Turkish War (1735 — 1739)
            [edit] 1740-1749


            something close (and even then much less) is possible, only the war "for the Spanish inheritance", but there were fought large European states with large human resources, and here Russia is 20 miles. Sweden 1.5mil people, that's NOT CLEAN! in this STORY.
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak April 3 2013 14: 39 New
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              Horde "damn you Nagaybak, you should be wrapped in Judashka plastic and thrown to the north to serve"
              Come to me to the north .. heh heh .. you and not in Yudashkina will all ring.
              Horde "After the Russian comfortable streltsy caftans, the German uniforms WERE NOT INTENDED for our climate.
              You probably walk around Moscow in this? You know by hearsay how warm and good it was in it. Everything else is your word.
              1. Horde
                Horde April 3 2013 14: 50 New
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                You know by hearsay how warm and good it was in it. Everything else you have words


                again you want to be the smartest? For hundreds of years, the Strelets' troops fought in different places and knew, of course, what is warm and what is cold.
                Nagaybak alone doubts whether "the Russian troops were properly equipped"?
          2. Horde
            Horde April 3 2013 12: 12 New
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            I don’t see this oddity


            I already noticed that you have a PROBLEM with eyesight. Here I see, I don’t see here.

            There they also fought for 20 years.



            and even 30 years of TI. This time is a TIME OF STRANGE there are some questions, there are few (reasonable) answers, the tradiks at that time had a stamped answer like this: "Ivan was sick on his head, hot-tempered, so he threw out different tricks"
            Again, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND what I wanted to say, RESOURCES OF RUSSIA and other countries of the Confederation, (especially White Russia against Russia) THINK THE SAME. So the forces were again INCOMPATIBLE. A powerful medieval state of Russia and some small peripheral formations, which even states DON'T BE CALLED, were able to win the war. One word TRADITION.

            Our then in the fortresses fought well, but in the field against the Europeans are not very


            and you don’t lie for an hour? when did Russians fight badly against Latvians?

            You probably did not read the will and gloriously.


            study the customs of Europe;
            - maintain high alert states;
            - move north to the Baltic and south to the Black Sea;
            - push England, Denmark and Badenburg against Sweden;
            - together with Austria to fight against the Ports with the aim of the conquest of Constantinople by Russia;
            - support anarchy in the Commonwealth;
            - conclude a trade agreement with England to facilitate progress towards the Black Sea;
            - provoke a war with Persia, overthrow it and establish itself on the shores of the Persian Gulf and the Levant;
            - intervene in all German disputes;
            - incite German states against Austria in order to capture Hungary as a result;
            - marry future kings to German brides;
            Proclaim yourself the defender of the Orthodox in the Commonwealth, Hungary and the Ottoman Empire with the aim of further subjugation of these powers;
            - quarrel Parisian and Viennese courts with a view to their mutual destruction;
            - in the form of military assistance of one of the powers to send "Asian hordes" to Europe, which will ruin Italy, Spain and France, enslave and steal their population in Siberia.


            Well, what have I not read? Started resorting to DIRECT LIES?
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak April 3 2013 14: 42 New
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              Horde "and you are not lying for an hour? When was it the Russians who fought badly against the Latvians?"
              Hmm ... for the desk, you need to urgently ...
              1. Horde
                Horde April 3 2013 14: 53 New
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                Horde "and you are not lying for an hour? When was it the Russians who fought badly against the Latvians?"
                Hmm ... for the desk, you need to urgently ...


                the answers become simpler and more watery, the arguments are already over minus ...
            2. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak April 3 2013 14: 46 New
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              Horde "Well, what haven't I read? Began to resort to DIRECT LIES?"
              This will was constantly mentioned in Europe in the 19th century in order to show Russia's aggressiveness.
              Therefore, Europeans scared each other in his name. And you say they laughed.
              1. Horde
                Horde April 3 2013 15: 06 New
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                Therefore, Europeans scared each other in his name. And you say they laughed.


                but I didn’t talk about that, but about the degeneration of the Romanovs, who contacted Europe. Distort.
      4. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 3 2013 01: 08 New
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        Quote: Nagaibak
        Horde- "Peter imposed indiscriminate drunkenness among the nobility, revelry was for SEVERAL DAYS from this, many died."
        1. Lists kindly provide who died and when.

        somehow the position is biased, and you can refute the argument
        Quote: Nagaibak
        2. The people under Peter didn’t smoke much, much later became addicted. Although Little Russia in full smoke. An example of this is Taras Bulba with his cradle

        "Taras Bulba" - the story of Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol, is included in the cycle "Mirgorod". As part of Mirgorod, the story was published in 1835, in 1842 its second edition was added and revised by Gogol, which is published in all modern editions. Gogol emphasized that the story is fantastic, and the image is collective
        Quote: Nagaibak
        3.Changes mainly affected the elite, and the Russian people in their mass did not notice these innovations.

        Well, they didn’t notice it and live in 7521 according to the pre-Petrine calendar, this is how officials write decrees in one language, and people execute in another, it turns out
        Quote: Nagaibak
        4. Costumes obliged to wear the elite, the people in their original walked. Western buildings were massively built except in St. Petersburg and a little in Moscow. It was after Peter that they began to build up in a Western manner.

        Peter lived then after the return of the thirtieth almost, but the building standards for European architecture went from him. By the way, it was Peter who banned, in addition to Peter, the construction of buildings from stone, it was not in vain that the very same Moscow suffered from fires for a long time after it, but again wooden was built, how many forests were cut down, eco would now howl

        Quote: Nagaibak
        The Horde, as a result of the prolonged Northern War, it turned out that the WORLD was NOT CONQUERED, as it should be in an honest, heroic war, but BUY for gold. PETER WAS NOT EVEN A GOLD LEADER. "
        6. Just a miserable statement.


        As a result of the war, Ingria (Izhora), Karelia, Estonia, Livonia (Livonia) and the southern part of Finland (before Vyborg) were annexed to Russia, and St. Petersburg was founded. Russian influence was firmly established in Courland. However, according to the Nishtad Treaty, these territories were not ceded, but were sold by Sweden to Russia for a huge amount of money - 2 million thalers (efimks), which placed a heavy additional burden on the country.
        In addition, all the advantages acquired by Russia as a result of the war are crossed out by enormous economic and demographic losses. As historians indicate, the war turned into a real ruin of Russia. The amount of taxes collected from the population from 1701 to 1724 (due to their unprecedented increase) increased 3,5 times, which, according to the historian N. A. Rozhkov, was achieved “at the cost of ruining the country.” [29] According to the results of the census of 1710, the total population of the country decreased by 20%, moreover, in the areas adjacent to the main theaters of war, the population decline reached 40%. [30] As historian V. O. Klyuchevsky wrote about the outcome of the Northern War, "The decline of the overworked payment and moral forces of the people ... would hardly have paid off if Peter had conquered not only Ingria and Livonia, but all of Sweden, even five Sweden."
        1. Horde
          Horde April 3 2013 03: 05 New
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          Alexander, if you still have strength, I ask for "How Peter I cut through the" door "to the East p1" - it's also fun there, and I'll see you tomorrow.
        2. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak April 3 2013 08: 34 New
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          alexandr00070 "somehow the position is biased, but you can reasonably refute"
          1. What is the question is the answer.
          alexandr00070 "Taras Bulba" - the story of Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol, is included in the cycle "Mirgorod". As part of Mirgorod, the story was published in 1835, in 1842 its second edition was added and revised by Gogol, which is published in all modern editions. Gogol emphasized that the story is fantastic, and the image is collective.
          Everything is correct, only the talk in this story is about the 17th century. Tobacco or tutyun in Ukraine was known even before Peter apparently. It could have been imported either from Poland or from the Turks. Or will you argue about the moment the Cossack cradle appeared? In general, smoking went mass from workers in cities and already in the 19th century. Before that, soldiers and sailors smoked pipes. Peasants for a long time for the most part remained non-smokers.
          alexandr0007! Well, yes, they did not notice and live in 7521 according to the pre-Petrine calendar, this is how officials write decrees in one language, and the people perform in another, so it turns out "
          3. Of course, wall calendars in peasant huts at the beginning of the 18th century are poorly presented.
          alexandr00070 "It was not for nothing that for a long time after it, the same Moscow suffered from fires, but a wooden one was built again, how many forests were cut down, the green would howl now."
          4. Moscow and before Peter burned constantly, more than once. And all the cities we constantly burned to Peter. And the forest, well, I’m sorry, but this is a renewable resource all the same.
          alexandr00070 "As a result of the war, Ingria (Izhora), Karelia, Estland, Livonia (Livonia) and the southern part of Finland (up to Vyborg) were annexed to Russia, St. Petersburg was founded. Russian influence was firmly established in Courland. However, according to the Treaty of Nishtad, these territories were not ceded, but were sold by Sweden to Russia for huge sums of money - 2 million thalers (efimks), which put a heavy additional burden on the country. "
          Probably it was necessary as the Chinese to sit locked in their little world. And in the 19th century, watching how your country is divided between the British and French. So it would certainly be better and there would be a population like in that China.
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 4 2013 22: 51 New
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            Quote: Nagaibak
            Everything is correct, only the talk in this story is about the 17th century. Tobacco or tutyun in Ukraine was known even before Peter apparently. It could have been imported either from Poland or from the Turks.

            You are arguing about Little Russia, the so-called Ukraine, which was at war, that is, it was under the yoke of Poland (from there and tobacco), and we are talking about Russia, its central part, more closed from the penetration of Western influence and, by the way, Gogol claimed that he was in Taras Bulbe "wrote about the 15th century. And about smoking, you write that you began to smoke en masse by the 19th century. And we are talking about who instilled a fashion for smoking, by the way, before his trip to Europe, Peter did not smoke



            Quote: Nagaibak
            3. Of course, wall calendars in peasant huts at the beginning of the 18th century are poorly presented.


            Of course, in the annals there is an old chronology, but in the churches where the annals were written, no, by the way, newborns were registered there, and you can’t imagine, they set the date


            Quote: Nagaibak
            Probably it was necessary as the Chinese to sit locked in their little world. And in the 19th century, watching how your country is divided between the British and French.

            yes no it was necessary to fight not so mediocre as his ancestors, and not to redeem the conquered, and here is an interesting question, legal, maybe answer ............. everyone recognizes that we bought then half of Europe, and paid the money why the Baltic States, Finland and others did not return the money, or are not part of Russia

            below by the way Annals on the Lavrentievsky list. 1897, page about the beginning of relations with Rurik
  12. воронов
    воронов April 2 2013 21: 17 New
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    Very interesting article, put a plus
  13. fuad-m7
    fuad-m7 April 3 2013 02: 46 New
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    (How Peter I cut through the "door" to the East) This is what the policy of Peter the Great brought you to the wrong door !!!!