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"Mantis": a hunter for shells

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Today’s so-called “asymmetrical” military conflicts require the emergence of new types of weapons that are able to detect or prevent terrorist attacks using missiles, artillery and mortars. Such protective systems were called C-RAM (Counter Rockets, Artillery and Mortar, which in abbreviated form means counteraction against rocket artillery and mortar attacks). In 2010, the Bundeswehr decided to acquire the NBS C-RAM or MANTIS (“Mantis”) short-range protection system, primarily intended to defend field camps against terrorist attacks using unguided missiles and mortars.


"Mantis": a hunter for shellsAccording to statistics from the International Institute for the Suppression of Terrorism IDC (Herzliya, Israel), the most common type of terrorist attacks are - contrary to well-established and widely held opinion - not bomb explosives, but rocket and mortar shelling, dividing here the palm with attacks with small arms and grenade launchers. Such a choice weapons easy to explain. First, mortars and unguided rockets are quite easy to make in an artisanal way from scrap materials, such as gun shells, scraps of water pipes, etc. Secondly, terrorists often deliberately dispose of firing positions of mortars and rocket launchers in residential neighborhoods, camps refugees, near schools, hospitals, hiding behind a kind of human shield. In this case, when attacking the firing position of terrorists, the victims among the innocent civilians are almost always unavoidable, which causes the organizers of the terrorist attack to reproach the defending side with “cruelty and inhumanity”. And finally, the third - regular attacks from mortars and rockets have a strong psychological impact.

Faced with similar tactics in Iraq and Afghanistan, NATO, at the initiative of the Netherlands, organized an ad hoc DAMA (Defense Against Mortar Attack) working group to develop a system for protecting facilities, primarily field camps, as part of the anti-terrorism general program DAT (Defense Against Terrorism). , from rocket and mortar attacks. 11 members of the North Atlantic Alliance and more than 20 companies from these countries take part in it.

Shoot down a flying fly with a rifle

Approximately the simple language is used to formulate the task of protecting against the means of RAM - this is how abbreviated jets, artillery shells and mortars are called. At the same time there are several ways to intercept small-sized air targets.

You can intercept them with a guided missile, as the Israelis do in their Iron Dome (“Iron Dome”) system. The system, developed by Rafael and put into service in 2009, is capable of intercepting targets such as 155-mm artillery shells, Qassam missiles or 122-mm rocket missiles to the MLRS "Grad", with a range of up to 70 km with probability up to 0,9 . Despite such high efficiency, this system is very expensive: the cost of one battery is estimated to be up to 170 million dollars, and launching a single rocket costs about $ 100 thousand dollars. Therefore, only the US and South Korea have shown interest in the “Iron Dome” of foreign buyers.

In European countries, the military budget is unable to finance such costly projects, so that the countries of the Old World focused their efforts on finding means of intercepting RAM, which could be an alternative to guided anti-aircraft missiles. In particular, the German firm MBDA, specializing in the production of guided missile weapons, is developing a laser facility for intercepting mortar mines, artillery and rockets as part of the C-RAM program. A prototype demonstrator with a power of 10 kW and a range of 1000 m has already been built and tested; however, a real combat system requires a laser with even higher performance and a greater (from 1000 to 3000 m) range. In addition, the effectiveness of laser weapons strongly depends on the state of the atmosphere, while the C-RAM system, by definition, must be all-weather.

Today, the most realistic way to combat missile and mortar shelling, paradoxically, is anti-aircraft artillery. Barrel artillery has a sufficiently high range and accuracy of fire, and its ammunition has the power to ensure the effective destruction of the means of RAM in the air. But the gun itself can not solve such a difficult task as "get into a flying fly from a rifle." This also requires high-precision means of detecting and tracking flying small-sized targets, as well as a high-speed fire control system for the timely calculation of firing units, guidance and programming of the fuse. All these components of the C-RAM system already exist, although they did not appear immediately, but during the rather long evolution of air defense and missile defense systems. So it probably makes sense to do a little excursion into history C-RAM technology.

C-RAM: prerequisites and predecessors

The first ever case of missile strikes in the air is probably related to 1943, when a group of allied destroyers in the Atlantic was hit by a German projectile Hs 293, which, in fact, was the world's first anti-ship guided missile. But the first officially confirmed missile interception, performed by ground anti-aircraft artillery, occurred in 1944 year. Then the British anti-aircraft gunners shot down a Fi 103 (V-1) projectile over southeastern England — a prototype of modern cruise missiles. This date can be considered the starting point in the development of anti-missile defense.

Another major milestone was the first experiments on observation with the aid of the radar of the flight of artillery shells. At the end of 1943, the operator of one of the allied radars was able to detect on the screen the marks of large-caliber shells (356 – 406 mm), issued by ship artillery. So in practice, for the first time, the possibility of tracking the trajectory of the flight of barreled artillery shells was proved. Already at the end of the war in Korea, special radar stations appeared for detecting mortar positions. Such a radar determined the coordinates of the mines at several points along which the trajectory of its flight was mathematically reconstructed and, therefore, it was not difficult to calculate the location of the enemy’s firing position from which the shelling was fired. Today, the artillery reconnaissance radar has already firmly taken its place in the arsenals of armies in most developed countries. Examples include the Russian stations CNAR-10, ARK-1 “Lynx” and “Zoo-1”, the American AN / TPQ-36 Firefinder, the German ABRA and COBRA or the Swedish ARTHUR.

The next major step in the development of C-RAM technology was made by sailors who, in the 60s and 70s, were forced to search for means of combating anti-ship missiles. Due to successes in engine building and fuel chemistry, second-generation anti-ship missiles possessed high transonic speed, small dimensions and a small effective reflective surface, which made them a “hard nut” for traditional naval air defense systems. Therefore, to protect against anti-ship missiles, small anti-aircraft artillery of 20–40 mm caliber began to be installed on ships, and high-temperature multi-barrels were often used as the artillery part of the installations aviation guns with a high density of fire. The presence of fire control radars, numerous automation and electronics turned them almost into "artillery robots", which did not require gun crew and were remotely activated from the operator’s console. By the way, due to some external resemblance to a fantastic robot, the American regular Vulkan-Falanks Mk15 anti-aircraft artillery system based on the six-barreled 20-mm M61 cannon “Vulkan” received the nickname “R2-D2”, after the well-known astromech droid from Star Wars TV series. Other most famous small-caliber naval artillery systems (ZAK) are the Russian AK-630 with a six-barrel 30-mm automatic gun GS-6-30 K (AO-18) and the Dutch “Goalkeeper” based on the seven-barreled American GAU-8 / A air gun. The firing rate of such installations reaches 5-10 thousand rounds per minute, firing range - up to 2 km. Recently, for even greater effectiveness, the ZAK also includes anti-aircraft guided missiles, as a result of which they have received the name ZRAK (anti-aircraft missile and artillery complex). This, for example, is the domestic ZRAK 3 M87 "Dagger" with two 30-mm six-barreled automatic weapons and 8 SAM 9 M311 from the army complex air defense "Tunguska". ZAK and ZRAK today have become standard elements of weapons for all large warships, being the last frontier of protection against ship-borne anti-ship missile defense missiles and a means of combating low-flying aircraft and enemy helicopters. The high potential of a modern naval missile defense system is eloquently indicated by the interception of a 114-mm artillery shell carried out by the Sivulf system (a British short-range naval air defense system).

Therefore, practical Americans in creating their first C-RAM system under the name “Centurion” didn’t particularly bother with it, they just installed Vulcan Falans ZAK for an improved version of 1 B along with ground-based radar on a heavy wheeled trailer. Ammunition includes ammunition that differs from those used in the ship variant: shooting is conducted by high-explosive fragmentation (M246) or multipurpose (M940) tracer shells with self-destructing weapons. With a miss, the self-destruction device automatically undermines the projectile so that it does not pose a threat to the protected object. The C-RAM Centurion complexes were deployed in 2005 in Iraq, in the Baghdad area, to protect the locations of the American troops and their allies. According to media reports, until August 2009, the Centurion system made 110 successful interception of mortar bombs in the air. The system developer, Raytheon, is also working on a laser variant of the C-RAM system, in which, instead of the M61 gun, a 20-kilowatt laser is installed. In tests conducted in January 2007, this laser was able to hit an 60-mm mortar mine with its beam. Currently, Raytheon is working to increase the laser range to 1000 m.

Another interesting way to combat RAM targets was proposed by the German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmann, the main supplier of armored vehicles of the Bundeswehr. As a means of interception, she proposed to use the 155-mm self-propelled howitzer PzH 2000, which had been in service with the German army since 1996 and is currently one of the most advanced barreled artillery systems in the world. This project was named SARA (Solution Against RAM Attacks - a solution against RAM attacks). The highest accuracy of fire, a high degree of automation and a relatively large elevation angle (up to + 65 °) made this task technically quite feasible. In addition, 155-mm projectile is able to deliver a much larger number of striking elements to the target, which increases the size of the fragmentation cloud and the probability of destroying the target, and the PzH 2000's firing range significantly exceeds the fire range of small-caliber artillery. Another advantage of howitzers as a C-RAM tool is their versatility: they can not only intercept missiles and mines in the air, but also hit their firing positions on the ground, as well as solve all other tasks inherent in conventional artillery. KMW specialists came to such an idea after testing PzH 2000 howitzers on two Sachsen-class frigates (project F124) installed on their deck as ship-mounted artillery installations under the MONARC project. 155-mm ground guns have proved to be excellent as naval artillery, showing high efficiency of firing from a mobile carrier at moving surface and air, as well as at coastal targets. However, for technical and political reasons, the 127-mm traditional ship installation by the Italian company Oto Melara was preferred because the adaptation of the 155-mm land gun on the ship was associated with significant financial costs (for example, the use of corrosion-resistant materials, the development of new types of ammunition, etc. .).

The Bundeswehr was forced to abandon such a tempting idea as the SARA project, also for a “technical-political” reason. The main disadvantage of the PzH 2000, which was originally designed for combat in Europe, was the considerable weight that prevented the transfer of howitzers through the air. Even the newest transport plane of the Bundeswehr A400 M is not able to take PzH 2000 on board. Therefore, to transport heavy equipment over long distances, the European countries of NATO are forced to rent Russian An-124 Ruslans. It is clear that such a solution (which is considered temporary, although in reality there is no alternative to it in the foreseeable future) in the North Atlantic Alliance, not everyone likes it.

For this reason, the Bundeswehr decided to choose a path similar to the American one: to create a C-RAM system based on small-caliber artillery. However, unlike the Americans, the Germans preferred a larger caliber, 35 mm instead of 20 mm, which provides more ammunition power and greater firing range. The Skyshield 35 anti-aircraft missile system of the Swiss company Oerlikon Contraves was chosen as the base system. This company has long been one of the world leaders in the production of small-caliber guns for anti-aircraft, aircraft and naval artillery. During World War II, Oerlikon was one of the most important suppliers of 20-mm cannons and ammunition for the Axis countries: Germany, Italy and Romania. After the war, the 35-mm twin anti-aircraft gun, adopted in more than 30 countries, became the most successful product of the company. However, in view of the end of the Cold War and in connection with the failure of the ADATS anti-aircraft complex, the holding, which included Oerlikon Contraves, decided to concentrate its efforts on civilian products, and the military sector, represented by Oerlikon Contraves, became the property of the Rheinmetall Defense concern. Due to this, German specialists managed to breathe new life into such an interesting and promising development as Skyshield 1999, which, due to the organizational reasons mentioned, already seemed doomed to oblivion.

The birth of "Mantis"

The abbreviation MANTIS stands for Modular, Automatic and Network capable Targeting and Interception System (modular automatic network system for detecting and intercepting targets). This name perfectly suits the new system: in English, the word mantis also means "mantis", which, as you know, is one of the most skilled hunters among insects. The praying mantis is able to remain motionless for a long time, waiting for the victim in an ambush, and then with lightning speed to attack it: the predator's reaction time sometimes reaches just 1 / 100 seconds. The C-RAM protection system should act like a praying mantis: always be ready to open fire and in the event of a target appearing, also respond with lightning speed for its timely destruction. The name "Mantis" corresponds to the old German army tradition to give weapons systems the names of predatory animals. However, at the development stage, the system wore a different designation, NBS C-RAM (Nächstbereichschutzsystem C-RAM, i.e., the short-term protection system against RAM).


Schematic diagram of the action of the system NBS C-RAM / MANTIS

The history of the development of the MANTIS system dates back to December 2004, when the Bundeswehr tested the Skyshield 35 modular anti-aircraft missile and artillery complex (GDF-007) at the Air Defense Range in Todendorf. This complex was developed on its own initiative as a promising means of combating low-flying targets by Oerlikon Contraves, which today bears the name of Rheinmetall Air Defense. Along with the missile armament, it includes a stationary tower artillery system with a remote control, equipped with an 35-mm 35 / 1000 X-gun with a rapid rate of 1000 shots / min. The German military is extremely interested in the unusually high accuracy of the Swiss installation - it is the only one of all existing small-caliber barrel systems that can hit speed small targets at distances over 1000 m. The phenomenal characteristics of the Skyshield 35 confirm another interesting fact: the ship's version of the complex, known as Millennuim (GDM-008), is able, in contrast to all known barrel systems, to detect, identify and hit even such a miniature with its 35-mm projectiles Our goal is a submarine periscope protruding above the sea (!). The tests in Todendorf proved the potential possibility of creating a C-RAM system based on the artillery component of the Skyshield complex, which was chosen as the prototype of the future NBS C-RAM / MANTIS system.

The NBS C-RAM development contract was signed in March 2007 of the year with Rheinmetall Air Defense (as Oerlikon Contraves is now called). The immediate cause of this was the Taliban rocket and mortar strikes against the field camps of the Bundeswehr in Mazar-i-Sharif and Kunduz. The Federal Office for Arms and Supplies in Koblenz has allocated millions of euros for the creation of the 48 system. It took about a year to develop the system, and already in August 2008, the system proved its combat capability at the Karapinar range in Turkey, where natural and climatic conditions are much closer to Afghan than in Tondorf located in north-west Germany. X-NUMX-mm TR-107 rocket shells from local company ROKETSAN were used as firing targets. They are a Turkish copy of the projectile to the Chinese MLRS Type 107 common in the third world countries. This installation, along with the Soviet 63-mm mortar arr. 82, considered in NATO the most common means of rocket and mortar shelling in "asymmetric wars."

Successful tests contributed to the fact that 13 in May 2009, the Bundestag approved the purchase of two NBS C-RAM systems for the Bundeswehr with a total value of 136 million euros. Delivery of the NBS C-RAM to the troops was the first step towards the creation of a future advanced integrated air defense system SysFla (System Flugabwehr), which is planned to be fully deployed in the current decade and in which NBS C-RAM plays the role of one of the basic subsystems. In 2013, the delivery of two more such systems is planned.

At this time in the Bundeswehr there were serious organizational changes that directly affected the fate of the Mantis. In July, 2010, the German Minister of Defense, as part of the announced radical reduction of the armed forces, announced the decision to liquidate the air defense forces of the ground forces, and partially assign their tasks to the Luftwaffe. Therefore, the MANTIS system was under the authority of the air force, and air defense squadrons that were part of the Luftwaffe were equipped with it. The first of these was the 1-I Schleswig-Holstein anti-aircraft missile squadron (FlaRakG 1), armed with the Patriot air defense missile system and stationed in Khusum. 25 March 2011, within the squadron, formed a special FlaGr (Flugabwehrgruppe) air defense group under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Arnt Kubart, whose goal is to develop a fundamentally new weapon system, which is MANTIS, and to train personnel for its maintenance, including for the planned use in Afghanistan. Currently, FlaGr personnel are at the training ground in Thorndorf, where they train personnel on simulators, after which it is planned to carry out final tests of the system using troop calculation forces. Organizationally, FlaGr consists of a headquarters and two squadrons, which, however, were initially staffed only with 50% due to the participation of many military personnel in foreign missions. The squadron was fully manned in 2012.


Firing test system MANTIS

It was announced that the development phase of the MANTIS system should be completed in 2011 year. However, the Bundeswehr apparently refused the initial intention to deploy the MANTIS system in Afghanistan to protect the ISAF forces. The leadership of the German army stated that in view of reducing the likelihood of an attack, the deployment of the so-called PRT (Provincial Reconstruction Team - local reconstruction team) in Kunduz is no longer a top priority. Other reasons were cited difficulties in providing the necessary ammunition and difficulties in setting up the system in the field.

How is the "Mantis"

The MANTIS system includes 6 artillery tower semi-stationary installations, two radar modules (also called sensors) and a fire service and control module, abbreviated as BFZ (Bedien- und Feuerleitzentrale).

Fire service and control module

The MANTIS artillery installation is equipped with a single-barreled 35-mm GDF-20 turret gun, which is a variant of today's basic model Rheinmetall Air Defense, the 35 / 1000 gun. The latter was created to replace the well-known family of double-barreled guns Oerlikon KD series, adopted in service in 50-ies and designed on the basis of designs of the Second World War. In particular, the 35-mm guns of the Oerlikon KDA were armed with the best Western ZSU “Cheetah”, which up to 2010 of the year was the backbone of the Bundeswehr ground forces. Because of measures to save 2015, these ZSUs are planned to be decommissioned by the Bundeswehr, and some of the tasks solved earlier by the “Cheetahs” will be assigned to the MANTIS system.
Automatic gun works on the principle of removal of powder gases through the hole in the wall of the barrel into two gas chambers. Gases, acting on two pistons, actuate a lever that causes a four-chamber drum to rotate. With each shot, the drum turns at an angle of 90 °. For remote reloading of the gun without firing a shot, the lever can be operated hydraulically.

On the muzzle of the barrel is a device for measuring the initial velocity of the projectile. Thanks to him, there is the possibility of introducing amendments to the deviation of V0 by adjusting the time settings of the fuse. The barrel of the gun is protected by a special casing, which prevents deformation of the barrel and drum under different weather conditions (bending due to uneven heating by the sun, etc.). In addition, the gun has a variety of temperature sensors that monitor the heating of its various parts and transmit this information to the BFZ computer. This is necessary to ensure the necessary shooting accuracy required to hit small targets at a distance of several kilometers.

The MANTIS system includes 6 artillery mounts, 2 radar and control center

Two guns always fire at the target at the same time, although one installation is enough to destroy it: the second unit plays the role of a backup in case of failure of the first gun. Shooting is carried out in queues up to 36 shots, the length of which is adjusted by the operator. PMD 062 rounds with projectiles of increased penetration and destructive ability, abbreviated as AHEAD (Advanced Hit Efficiency And Destruction) caliber 35 x 228 mm are used as ammunition for fighting RAM targets. Their principal device is similar to the well-known shrapnel shells, the design of which, however, has been seriously improved through the use of modern know-how. Such a projectile contains inside 152 damaging element made of heavy tungsten alloy. The weight of each 3,3 g element. Upon reaching a design point located approximately in 10 – 30 m from the target, the remote detonator explodes an expelling charge that destroys the outer shell of the projectile and pushes the striking elements. The AHEAD line of projectiles forms the so-called “fragmentation cloud” in the shape of a cone, once in which, the target suffers multiple damage and is almost guaranteed to be destroyed. AHED ammunition can be successfully used to combat small unmanned aerial vehicles, as well as lightly armored ground equipment.

The device of an ammunition with the increased penetrative and destructive ability

The most difficult technical problem when creating an ammunition for combatting RAM was the design of a high-precision fuze that would ensure the explosion of a projectile in close proximity to the target. Therefore, it required a very short response time (less than 0,01 s) and accurate determination of the time of the explosion. The latter is achieved at the expense, as they say in NATO, of the tempering of the fuse - the programming of the fuse is carried out not before loading, as usual, but occurs at the moment of passage of a muzzle cut by a projectile. Due to this, the actual value of the muzzle projectile measured by the sensor and allowing more accurate calculation of the trajectory of the projectile and the moment of its meeting with the target is entered into the electronic block of the fuse. If the distance between the speed sensor and the fuze programming device is equal to 0,2 m, then with the speed of the 1050 projectile, m / s, only 190 microseconds are allocated to all speed measurement, ballistic calculations and input settings in the fuse memory. Perfect mathematical algorithms and modern microprocessor technology nevertheless make this possible.
The gun mount itself is mounted in a tower of circular rotation, made using stealth technology. The tower is mounted on a rectangular base with dimensions 2988 x 2435 mm, corresponding to ISO logistic standards, which allows to transport the complex in standard containers or cargo platforms.

The radar module (or sensor module) is centimeter-mounted radar mounted in a container of the company Serco GmbH. Its main feature is the ability to detect and accompany targets of very small size with a small effective reflective surface (EOP). In particular, the radar is able to reliably distinguish targets with the magnitude of the image intensifier 0,01 m 2 at a distance of 20 km. For firing at the RAM object, the artillery module only has enough information from one radar, another radar or electronic-optical guidance tools that can also be part of the complex, serve only as a reserve or for overlapping dead zones, and also to increase the range of the system .

The BFZ fire service and control module is also made in the standard ISO ISO 20 container container by Serco GmbH. The container weighing 15 t is equipped with nine workstations and guarantees protection against electromagnetic radiation in the centimeter range, characterized by the attenuation coefficient 60 decibels, as well as ballistic personnel protection - its walls can withstand the ingress of Dragunov's sniper rifle. The BFZ module contains the power supply source of the system - the 7,62 kW power generator. The staff in it is around the clock, working in shifts. Each shift consists of three operators responsible for monitoring the airspace and for the maintenance of sensors and artillery installations, and the shift commander.

Workplaces of MANTIS system operators in the BFZ module

In principle, the degree of automation of the MANTIS system is so high that, from a technical point of view, the participation of service personnel is not required. However, due to the legal aspects regulated by NATO in the “Rules of engagement”, the use of the MANTIS system in a fully automated mode, without human participation in the decision to open fire, is not envisaged. To ensure high reaction times, appropriate selection and training of personnel for work in the BFZ is carried out. The module is equipped with means of connecting to various data transfer and information exchange networks in order to better control the surrounding situation. In addition, the system is planned to additionally introduce another medium range radar.

What's next?

First of all, we need to make a reservation that C-RAM cannot be considered an absolutely reliable means of protection against rocket and mortar attacks. This is only one, albeit a very significant, means among a whole range of measures, including defensive fortifications, the use of protective nets, warning and protection means (for example, sniper patrols), etc. Of course, like any fundamentally new technical system, C-RAM also has its own reserves, which make it possible to increase its combat effectiveness.

In particular, in the future there may be a significant expansion of the range of application of C-RAM systems Fabian Oxner, Vice President of Rheinmetall Air Defense, announced his intention to conduct tests of the MANTIS system in the current decade in order to demonstrate the fundamental possibility of destroying guided bombs and free-falling small-caliber bombs with anti-aircraft artillery fire. He stressed that the prototype of the MANTIS system, the Skyshield system, was specially created as a means of combating high-precision guided aviation weapons, such as, for example, the American anti-radar missile AGM-88 HARM. One should not be surprised here: Switzerland is a neutral state, therefore it considers potential threats from any adversaries. At the same time, a drawing of the Chinese C-RAM systems covering the ... mobile launchers of medium-range ballistic missiles was shown in the LD 2000 advertising brochure. Everyone has their own priorities: who is protecting the house, who is the oil, and who is the rockets ...
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  1. svp67
    svp67 30 March 2013 10: 20 New
    +3
    Remember that Germany did the calculations to create the FAA and England to create a more or less system of protection against them and the losses incurred from using the FAA, the former turned out to be smaller, and at times. I think the situation here is the same, if not sadder, since a thousand shells will be spent to destroy a flying shell worth tens of rubles, and it’s not a fact that they will destroy it ...
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 30 March 2013 10: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      a flying shell worth tens of rubles will cost a thousand, and it’s not a fact that they will destroy it ..

      Duc about that and speech. Well, I understand on an aircraft carrier, besides, the rackets fly as they want, the trajectory is sometimes unpredictable, they are likely to say nothing here, it seems to me.
    2. Fregate
      Fregate 30 March 2013 20: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      a flying projectile worth tens of rubles will be spent a thousand

      So this shell worth tens of rubles can cause damage to hundreds of thousands.
    3. bord731
      bord731 30 March 2013 21: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      since a thousand shells will be spent to destroy a flying shell worth tens of rubles, and it’s not a fact that they will destroy it ...

      Well, if you take into account only the cost of the projectile and the projectile - then I completely agree with you. Even to the penny, we can calculate the material damage (which the projectile may inflict) BUT how to evaluate human lives ??? My opinion is that countries that value their citizens will strive to create and develop such complexes ...
    4. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 31 March 2013 00: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      since a thousand shells will be spent to destroy a flying shell worth tens of rubles, and it’s not a fact that they will destroy it ...
      .
      Why look for a hard road? Or like here:
      Quote: Author Ilya Shaidurov
      Along with missile weapons, it includes a stationary tower mount with remote control, equipped with a 35 mm 35/1000 quick-fire revolver gun with a rate of fire of 1000 rds / min. The German military was extremely interested in the unusually high accuracy of the Swiss installation - it is the only??? of all existing small-caliber receiver systems, which is capable of hitting high-speed small-sized targets at distances of over 1000 m.
      .
      It seems to me, the author is disingenuous. Explain to me, does our ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" (Index: GRAU - 2A6) not do the same with a smaller caliber and a higher rate of fire? good
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 31 March 2013 00: 59 New
        +4
        I don’t know about Shilka, but the AK-213 Vympel-A shipyard produces 6000 per minute with very impressive accuracy. Flying targets just cuts in line
        1. Ghenxnumx
          Ghenxnumx 31 March 2013 01: 23 New
          +3
          If Shilka coughs the landfill at 3600 per minute, I can imagine that Vympel-A gets up at its 6000 good
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 31 March 2013 01: 51 New
            +1
            Yes, sclerosis ... She has a slightly lower rate of fire, only 5000 per minute. True, there is a modification with two barrel blocks, which gives out 10, and even with increased accuracy wink
            Here a little about her:
            http://www.arms-expo.ru/050053048049124050053056057.html




            1. 73petia
              73petia 31 March 2013 05: 17 New
              +1
              Inaccuracy. It’s not the pirates who are being destroyed, but only their “vessels”. The pirates themselves were arrested.
              1. I think so
                I think so 31 March 2013 21: 54 New
                +2
                Both the Shilka and the AK-213 Vympel-A will not pull up the task - the destruction of a flying shell or mine. Rate of fire here plays a secondary role. The main thing is accuracy and speed of guidance and accuracy of detonating a projectile ... Of the mentioned products, in principle, one could do something similar, or maybe better, if you add a radar, a projectile and a serious control computer ... But be it healthy piece of work ...
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop April 1 2013 09: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: I think so
                  if you add a radar, a shell and a serious computer in control

                  Already long ago done. On the lower roller, shooting is carried out with duplicate manual control post. And so this system is fully automated. Here, updating the firmware would not hurt. For years this system is already pretty
                2. potach
                  potach April 1 2013 14: 45 New
                  0
                  Absolutely right, you need to determine the trajectory of the projectile and calculate the meeting place and the time of detonation, and this is the most difficult.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply April 1 2013 09: 46 New
        0
        It’s not only about the speed of fire, let’s say. The musket, and the Mosin rifle, and the M-16, say, also shoot, everyone has a butt, etc. But you must admit that they shoot differently.

        Here, the shell itself, destroying the target, and the complex automatic recognition and guidance system are more important
    5. Pimply
      Pimply April 1 2013 09: 41 New
      0
      Body armor costs a lot more than a bullet. Does this mean that bulletproof vests are not needed?
  2. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 30 March 2013 10: 28 New
    +7
    its walls withstand the hit of a 7,62 mm bullet from a Dragunov sniper rifle.
    Well then you will do !!! I’m not sorry for the RPG-hoi I ​​run away am
    1. I think so
      I think so 31 March 2013 22: 00 New
      0
      It’s not necessary to run after a grenade launcher ... this barn has enough external elements, after being damaged by a 7.62 bullet, this whole system turns into a pile of "highly intellectual rubbish" ... well, mines and shells from which this ... system and had to protect ...
  3. svp67
    svp67 30 March 2013 10: 53 New
    0
    as well as ballistic protection of personnel - its walls withstand the hit of an 7,62-mm bullet from a Dragunov sniper rifle


    But what about the 12,7-mm Korda ....
  4. Yarbay
    Yarbay 30 March 2013 11: 29 New
    +6
    ** The name “Praying Mantis” also corresponds to the old German army tradition of giving the names of predatory animals to weapons systems. ** -this time the Germans cheated on themselves)))
    Insect))
    1. igordok
      igordok 30 March 2013 14: 01 New
      +8
      In WWII, the Germans had a tradition to call armored self-propelled artillery systems by the names of the insects Wespe-wasp, Hummel-bumblebee, Grille-cricket.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 March 2013 14: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: igordok
        In WWII, the Germans had a tradition to call armored self-propelled artillery systems by the names of the insects Wespe-wasp, Hummel-bumblebee, Grille-cricket.

        I believe you !!
        The author was apparently not in the know!
  5. gizz
    gizz 30 March 2013 12: 07 New
    +4
    Here again, the issue of priority. What is more expensive: to shoot down an enemy shell or sacrifice the life of a fighter \ civilian. Jews, for example, believe that their Jewish lives are more expensive and it’s more profitable to spend 100 thousand green on a rocket.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 30 March 2013 12: 17 New
      +2
      Yes, 21 century technology.
      , Praying Mantis ,, can be compared in technical parameters with the Russian air defense system .. C1 shell ,,
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 30 March 2013 12: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: gizz
      which is more expensive than their Jewish lives and 100 thousand green to spend on a rocket is more profitable.


      So grandmother gave them the state, on this their dome.

      There was a question of principle. but Palestinian rackets are primitive.
      1. I think so
        I think so 31 March 2013 22: 12 New
        0
        even with a weak artillery attack (well, let’s shoot a 122mm howitzer battery) 6 barrels of 5 shells all this “system” simply can’t do anything in principle. In my opinion, these systems are "sharpened" not for fighting mines and shells, but for small-sized UAVs ... The modern warfare, and in the near future, even more so, WILL BE ABOUT small intellectual aircraft. And the fight against them will be an IMPORTANT priority ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 1 2013 09: 49 New
          0
          These systems are not designed for mass artillery salvo for one simple reason - mass artillery salvo is eliminated by other means.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply April 1 2013 09: 50 New
        0
        And what do you think is not a primitive?
      3. potach
        potach April 1 2013 14: 57 New
        +1
        Yes, life is more expensive and you will not appreciate it in rubles, dollars, etc. Therefore, they created a system that protects human life .. And the cost of a missile defense is much less than $ 100 thousand. And it knocks down not only makeshift casams, which is not at all simple, but 122 mm Grads with no less success. that confirmation is not only tests at the test site, but also in practice. Yes, the Americans financed this project, but created the Iron Dome. Jewish engineers
        ,
  6. Sirocco
    Sirocco 30 March 2013 13: 30 New
    +3
    My opinion, you need to change the principles in anti-ballistic, anti-mine defense, everything described above is good, but expensive, very expensive, this is from a series of guns on sparrows. I read the article and recalled the recent incident near Chelyabinsk. How meteorite collapsed when entering the ATMOSPHERE? (This is from a series of fiction, but why not.) That's something like that, yes, everything else is 50 x 50. Is it worth it. And Israel is doomed to these shellings, since it has a territorial conflict, no conflict, no shelling. Apparently Jews believe that it is cheaper to make this fabulous dome than to negotiate. Well, they themselves chose this path. Although Homosapiens has an inquiring mind, he will find another sophisticated method of influencing the opponent on any opposition.. It's like a flu shot, they put one vaccine, and another strain of flu came to visit you laughing
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 30 March 2013 15: 13 New
      +3
      Yes, and the principles do not need to be changed.
      In response to the missile defense - appeared RGBC missiles.
      I am sure that the simplest answer is tandem ammunition.
      The second simplest option is separable. 155 mm divided into two - 2х75 mm.
      75 mm - not a weak shell, let's say.
      The third simplest is mass launch.
      And if at the rocket launch site ... it is still possible to start the microwave oven .... or the magnetron ..... with the shielding removed.
      Well, if they want to shoot at the periscopes of the submarine - this is their business, of course.
      The cost of this "Praying Mantis" is by no means comparable with the cost ... of a pipe, for launching an 82-mm mine.
      ..
      And, I also remembered .. these are the Korean K9 Thunder howitzers, which three shells lead at one point in time to the target. On three trajectories.
      It is already - 3 Mantis will be needed.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 30 March 2013 16: 31 New
        +1
        Well, as they say, for every poison, there is an antidote laughing
      2. rubber_duck
        rubber_duck 30 March 2013 18: 21 New
        +6
        Quote: Igarr
        And, I also remembered .. these are the Korean K9 Thunder howitzers, which three shells lead at one point in time to the target. On three trajectories.
        It is already - 3 Mantis will be needed.


        Exactly. Yes, even the prepared calculation of the 82-mm “pipe” at one moment holds two or three mines in the air flying with a “phonar” deviation And if such calculations have at least one battery ... I have doubts, in short, about the combat effectiveness of these systems.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 1 2013 09: 50 New
          +1
          Nevertheless, despite your doubts, they work successfully
          1. rubber_duck
            rubber_duck April 1 2013 15: 56 New
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            Nevertheless, despite your doubts, they work successfully


            Quote: rubber_duck
            I have doubts, in short, in the combat effectiveness of these systems.


            В combat efficiency ... And "work successfully" in the sense of "function", so why not.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply April 1 2013 09: 49 New
      0
      Body armor costs a lot more than a bullet. Does this mean that it is not needed.
    3. potach
      potach April 1 2013 15: 02 New
      0
      You can negotiate with those who want to negotiate. But if the opposite side sets as its goal the destruction of the Jewish state, then there is no other way out, how to defend yourself. No matter how much it costs.
  7. Black
    Black 30 March 2013 14: 42 New
    0
    The eternal confrontation of the sword and shield.
  8. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 30 March 2013 14: 59 New
    0
    It is a pity we have too much territory for such systems. There’s not enough money to cover everything.
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 31 March 2013 00: 51 New
      0
      and the system in question is not at all for global cover. it is a type of object system for countering missile and artillery attacks. to protect important economic or military installations - just right.
  9. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 30 March 2013 15: 11 New
    +3
    Here is another system of object-based air defense appeared. In addition to air defense systems.
  10. Yankuz
    Yankuz 30 March 2013 19: 46 New
    +1
    Too clever this system.
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 31 March 2013 00: 56 New
      +1
      normal system. appropriate to the tasks. intercepting a separately flying projectile in itself is another problem. the task is complex - the system is complex. these flies can be beaten with underpants, a newspaper or a slipper. depending on the preferences of the hunter.
  11. Bargus
    Bargus 31 March 2013 00: 03 New
    -2
    In my opinion, this article is another trick for our defense industry to start asking the government for new assignments for the development of such complexes as it was correctly noted; (destroying a flying shell worth tens of rubles will cost a thousand, and it’s not yet a fact that they will destroy it ..) this is equivalent to killing a fly with a complex (Poplar M)
  12. 73petia
    73petia 31 March 2013 05: 22 New
    0
    Isn't the Zoo something like that? It seems to be imprisoned for "counter-battery work."
  13. awerkiev
    awerkiev 31 March 2013 09: 29 New
    0
    This mantis is similar to a computer strategy unit ...
  14. misterwulf
    misterwulf 31 March 2013 10: 07 New
    +1
    Well, who would doubt it! The Germans are probably the biggest inventors in the world after the Russians. But, Russians come up with more, and the Germans translate more from the drawings into "concepts." During Hitler's time, they thought so much about creating prototypes that they still can’t rake everything around the world.

    But all-ingenious is simple!
    I recalled a conversation in a booze with a colleague, a former submariner with a nuclear submarine, who was before that "the smartest in the division" (drunk "destroyed" AUGs and AEFs) wink . He said bluntly how to shoot down the satellites: "you have to hit the orbit with a shell (rocket) with a warhead like a mortar shell. You can" lemon ", or you can even pack with bolts and nuts."
    Was it in 1999 or 2000m (did the "spies" overhear his ranting in taverns after work?) laughing I’m joking.

    Then I asked: the satellite is a fragile thing and there are enough bolts there at its speed and well-known orbit. What about the plane? They began to think together. The plane is stronger than the satellite, the course can change, but at a speed> 1 max not so fast. Bolts do not fit. He said that instead of bolts, you can "small one-burst installation with explosive bullets (shells)" - why not? (in the sense of a warhead).
    A missile (cruise) -cm. plane. Ballistic (tactical) (strategic - see satellite with an admixture of aircraft). - several such "warheads". Etc.

    I mean, before the creation of this “wunderwaffle”, for many years people voiced this concept not in the design bureau, but in the tavern. Because neither in the military-industrial complex, nor in the research institute, nor in the design bureau is fucking useless to anyone! And the state budget and the Ministry of Finance, together with the Minister of Defense (as a person with a retinue), need this surname the least.
    Mb Putin is right by dividing the Defense Ministry and the military-industrial complex in different ministries ...
  15. I think so
    I think so 31 March 2013 21: 46 New
    +1
    "who protects the house, who - oil, and who - rockets"

    By protecting missiles you protect both the house and the oil and the lives of people ... so that the Chinese will be smarter ... some ...
  16. demon ada
    demon ada April 1 2013 08: 54 New
    0
    Large-caliber sniper rifle damage the radar, generator or artillery system itself.
  17. washi
    washi April 2 2013 13: 57 New
    0
    Isn't the battery fight simpler? A dozen shot in response. By place and route of departure?
  18. Mister X
    Mister X April 3 2013 17: 30 New
    0
    And the rite of worship is obtained from the Mantis from Rhinemetal not cheap:

    Luftwaffe bought two such sets.
    These kits cost € 110,8 million,
    plus spent another € 20 million on staff training and
    compilation of documentation.

    According to the terms of the contract, subsequent annual training
    will cost € 14 million

    In addition, Rheinmetall will be boiled to sell ammunition
    to these complexes.

    Speaking of supplies.
    The video shows that before loading shells into a clip,
    fighter lubricates the neck of the sleeve.
    Whether in order to slip faster,
    whether the problem with the feed is not solved until the end.

    Here is a video from the Bundeswehr site.
    Sprechen zi Deutsch?
    Nein?
    Tyda just watch and much will become clear.




    It is assumed that the installation of the complex is possible as
    on the wheeled chassis, and on the decks of ships.
  19. psiho117
    psiho117 20 September 2014 02: 34 New
    0
    Therefore, to transport heavy equipment over long distances, the European countries of NATO are forced to rent the Russian An-124 Ruslans.


    am Wow. didn't know, didn't know ... am