Bridge by bridge, but we are also waiting for ATACMS

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Bridge by bridge, but we are also waiting for ATACMS

So, with a generous hand, the US House of Representatives decided to allocate $61 billion to Ukraine. This happened on April 20, but only now information has come out about what exactly will be allocated. After all, it’s not the dollars that are at war, but what will be bought with them, right?

It was announced that the so-called “aid package” would include ATACMS long-range ballistic missiles, Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, Humvees and M113 armored personnel carriers. All the technology is known, with the exception of ATACMS, where there are nuances that are unpleasant for us.



The most unpleasant nuance is that the APU can receive not the basic ATACMS, which can send a 560-kg warhead over 165 km, but modifications that carry a less powerful warhead over long (up to 300 km) distances.

It is worth briefly recalling what ATACMS is. Call it the newest weapons... no, after all, the first launch of the MGM-140 was in 1988, the first use in 1991. But from 1991 to the present day, the complex has undergone a decent amount of improvements, and is a very unpleasant weapon.

The MGM-140A ATACMS Block 1 has a classic layout: control system elements in the bow, followed by a cluster warhead, and a solid propellant engine and a system of aerodynamic control surfaces located in the aft section.


The M39 warhead consists of approximately 950 M74 submunitions, each of which is a spherical element of tungsten filled with explosives that, when detonated, produce a certain number of solid tungsten fragments. One element is capable of mowing down all living things within a radius of 15 meters when detonated at a height of 5-7 meters.


It looks very dangerous, but during testing it was noted that the missile had very poor accuracy, which was considered unsatisfactory (CEP - 250 meters). But later ATACMS “forgave”, deciding that cluster munitions with a large destruction sector do not need good accuracy, and what they have is quite enough to inflict damage on the enemy.

The ATACMS missile is not easy to fly; it flies to the target along a semi-ballistic trajectory, when the initial acceleration is carried out along a classic trajectory for ballistic missiles, and upon reaching the operating altitude, the flight takes place in a controlled mode.

So if - “Iskander” “Iskander”.


But all pre-launch work is different from our rocket. At the factory, ATACMS is placed in a transport and launch container, filled with gas and sealed. So, in a container, the missile arrives at the launch site, where the container is placed in the launcher, connected to the launcher system and, in fact, target designation and launch are carried out.

The system is interesting in that it allows the rocket to be stored for a long time in a state ready for launch without preparatory work and to carry out pre-launch actions in a very short time. As practice has shown, SVO has very useful properties.

To launch missiles, the Americans did not come up with anything new, and simply adapted the wheeled HIMARS MLRS and the same MLRS, but on a tracked track, MLRS. HIMARS can carry two launch containers, and MLRS can carry one.

And in 1998, a not very pleasant event happened - a new improved MGM-140B ATACMS Block 1A missile was put into operation, the range of which was almost doubled, to 300 km. In addition, the guidance system was supplemented with the NAVSTAR satellite correction subsystem. And this made the missile much more accurate: the CEP became less than 100 meters. Two and a half times better than the first model.

In the wake of such success at the 1A base, the Americans immediately created the Block IA Unitary missile, with a unitary high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 227 kilograms.

Today, the US Army is armed with the latest ATACMS models, the MGM-164 ATACMS 2000 and ATACMS 2000 MOD missiles. The accuracy has been further increased due to more modern electronics, the range is again around 300 km, a high-explosive fragmentation warhead with a three-mode fuse, including an air blast function.

It is clear that the latest ATACMS models are not coming to Kyiv, but Block 1A and Block 1A Unitary are a very unpleasant delivery for us. What’s most unpleasant is that a very decent number of these missiles were riveted in the USA, 1650 ATACMS Block 1, 610 Block 1A and 513 ATACMS 2000. It’s 1A that worries us most, the missiles are not new, the last ones were manufactured almost 20 years ago, in 2007, but for solid fuel rockets this is a deadline.

That is, in general, the degradation of solid fuel in such rockets begins somewhere around 15 years from the date of manufacture, and by 25 years the rocket can pose a greater threat to its own than to others. And recharging the engine of such a rocket is more hemorrhoidal than that of a rocket with a liquid-propellant rocket engine.

So the “generosity” of the American military and senators is like that, with a catch. Most likely, they will give away missiles, which, if not fired today, will have to be disposed of tomorrow, and this is an expensive and time-consuming undertaking.

Yes, the United States has developed an entire program to extend the service life of these missiles and maintain them at the proper level of combat effectiveness. Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) is a program within which the service life of ATACMS missiles is extended and even seemingly improved. It is difficult to say what they are doing there with the missiles, but the task of maintaining combat readiness until new missiles enter service has been completed. That's what they say in the USA, at least.

There is information that a large number of ATACMS Block 1 have been upgraded to version ATACMS 2000. For what purpose this was done is difficult to say, because in November last year they reported successful tests of the Precision Strike Missile (PrSM), which will replace ATACMS, This means that ATACMS will most likely be sold to everyone.

And there are those who want it, especially after Kyiv loudly praised the missiles and their capabilities.


In general, several countries already have ATACMS in service. First of all, these are the UAE and South Korea, which each have more than a hundred missiles, and a number of countries whose stock of ATACMS in their arsenals hangs around 30-50 pieces: Turkey, Poland, Romania, Bahrain, Greece. There are also people like Taiwan, Australia and Lithuania who want to purchase ATACMS for themselves.

And Ukraine, which last year received about two dozen missiles as part of covert deliveries. It is clear that these were the oldest of the first series of Block 1 missiles. The Ukrainian Armed Forces hastened to conduct military tests and attacked the airfield in Berdyansk with these missiles. It was there that unexploded M74 submunitions were discovered, which determined that they were ATACMS.

And now they are preparing for us 1A or something more modern, and even in quantities of two or three hundred.



How serious is this?


In general, Russian air defenses seem to have learned to intercept these projectiles, which is generally logical: the more often the ammunition is used, the easier it is to track it, calculate the nuances of the trajectory and select algorithms for counteraction. A week after the attack on the airfield in Berdyansk, an ATACMS missile was intercepted and shot down. So - nothing is impossible.

According to all the stated parameters, the S300/400, Tor-M2 and Buk-M3 can easily intercept ballistic missiles. Considering that ATACMS is a ballistic missile, that is, with a very high speed at the final part of the trajectory, it is possible to shoot it down, but not as easily as we would like. Berdyansk and Dzhankoy showed that the main advantage of ATACMS is the short approach time to the target.

However, our Iskander sins about the same thing.

In addition, electronic warfare should not be written off. Guidance by INS - you know, it’s very inaccurate, but we know how to block satellite signals. No joke here, as a resident of a city where navigation from the word “at all” has practically not worked for a year, I confidently say this - they know how. And complicating the operation of guidance systems by blocking the GPS signal is no problem.

Of course, a cluster warhead will cover a decent area with fragments, but they initially need a bridge.


No, not like that: the Ukrainian Armed Forces need a Bridge!


It is understandable that people in Kyiv have now become more animated and have begun to promise a complete blow to the Crimean Bridge. I have already said that it will fly along it as soon as some kind of victory is required. Well, at least some. Here the Bridge is a very profitable target, I repeat. It’s big, you can unleash such hysteria around getting into it...

If Kyiv gets 200 missiles at its disposal, that’s actually a lot. Will they be able to allocate 20, 30, 40 or 50 missiles there in order to stage a massive attack on the Bridge? Certainly. With pleasure. And they will allocate it and launch it.


But we must understand, and I am sure that Kyiv understands, that this is a purely political action and it will not bring any relief to the troops at the front: there is a land road along which the group is supplied in the south. And the attack on the Bridge will not complicate the fate of the military in any way.

In addition, if we compare it with the recent Iranian-Israeli clash, the situation here is as follows: of course, there are fewer missiles to fly than those that flew from Iran. But not 300+ of them will fly. And especially since we now know that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have ATACMS. This means that appropriate measures will have to be taken. In the end, not everyone in the Ministry of Defense is busy with business and bribes; some do.

However, it is quite possible that all the hype around the Bridge is a red herring. Politics is politics, but missiles with a flight range of 300 km open up other prospects for the Ukrainian side.

The airfields of Kursk, Voronezh, Buturlinovka, and Millerov may be under attack. That is, those airfields that are flooded every other day (or even every day) today drones, who are not scouts at all.

A drone is more difficult to track, it can be delivered closer to the object and launched from our territory, but it does not pose such a threat as a missile with a 250-500 kg warhead and does not fly at the same speed. The rocket is a great skill. Why not try it? Moreover, Kyiv doesn’t need to pay for them, just launch them and that’s it.

It is very sad to realize that the whole region is about to turn into a testing ground for imported weapons. The eternal competition between rocket and anti-aircraft gunners. Who is better. It’s good for Kursk residents, Halino is outside the city. But in Voronezh and Buturlinovka, everything is nearby. And the fact that ATACMS will fly in instead of drones does not inspire optimism.

When the Ukrainians had two dozen missiles, they were shaking over each one. And here... It makes sense to launch attacks on many targets. I'm sure your hands will itch.

It’s unpleasant, but... Still, ATACMS is a rocket from the last century. With all the ensuing consequences in terms of the fact that there is something to intercept and something to stun. This is still not the German Taurus, which has many more problems.

However, it all started, if you remember, with Bayraktars (there were such UAVs) and Javelins, and then Challengers, Abrams, Leopards, Bradleys and so on appeared. And here is ATACMS. In sufficient quantities to carry out major operations.

It is clear that there will be a response and countermeasures, but the solution is not in them. Solutions are needed at the strategic level, but for now, alas, we will have to act as a testing ground for American weapons, relying on the accuracy and skill of our air defense troops.
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  2. +52
    April 26 2024 04: 25
    It seems to me that the missiles described by Roman have already been delivered to the Ukronatsik and are ready for use.
    Probably there will be a massive salvo on targets during the May holidays... Bandera’s people love to spoil things for us at such moments.
    It is likely that attacks will not only hit the Crimean Bridge.
    The targets are oil refineries, places with large concentrations of civilians, airfields with deployed military equipment, parking lots of warships, parking lots of civilian ships, weapons and ammunition depots.
    Question number one...how and how will we respond to the Americans to this dirty trick?...and will we respond at all?
    Question number two...how will we solve the issue of overloading our air defense in the event of a massive missile attack on targets?
    I don’t want to talk about the rest that set my teeth on edge, and everything is clear.
    1. +9
      April 26 2024 06: 41
      In my opinion, there is only one way out:
      1. Deeply layered air defense line!
      2. All large objects must be protected by additional air defense systems! (I think it’s possible to raise air defense combat units for this)
      3. Strengthen human intelligence in order to determine locations for storage, storage, movement and maintenance of launchers and containers with missiles, as well as the destruction of large bridges, crossings, launch positions with complexes already prepared for launch, to deprive the enemy of maneuver and transfer capabilities as described above systems, as well as other branches of the military!
      1. +9
        April 26 2024 09: 02
        3. Strengthen human intelligence in order to determine locations for storage, storage, movement and maintenance of launchers and containers with missiles, as well as the destruction of large bridges, crossings, launch positions with complexes already prepared for launch, to deprive the enemy of maneuver and transfer capabilities as described above systems, as well as other branches of the military!

        You just need to prevent these munitions from appearing in positions and destroy them during transportation.
        1. +1
          April 27 2024 13: 21
          That's exactly what I wanted to say
      2. +7
        April 26 2024 15: 38
        The surest way out is to force the West to stop supplying Ukrainian Reich, that is, to hit logistics on the territory of NATO countries directly. I’m not an alarmist, on the contrary, I urge you to raise the stakes, but without this blow we won’t see victory, and we might even lose the bridge.
        1. +4
          April 26 2024 16: 28
          Quote: Oleg Bagaev
          The surest way out is to force the West to stop supplying Ukrainian Reich, that is, to hit logistics on the territory of NATO countries directly. I’m not an alarmist, on the contrary, I urge you to raise the stakes, but without this blow we won’t see victory, and we might even lose the bridge.

          I have already written about responses to the shelling of our cities, and I will write again. Warn the main supplying countries through diplomatic channels in writing about serious responses to the supply of such missiles and other weapons to Ukraine. And at the very first missile launches and the damage and casualties caused, strike the diplomatic buildings of those countries in Kyiv with Iskanders! And then let those suppliers howl back!
          1. -2
            April 26 2024 17: 33
            In my opinion, a strike on their embassies will not have the desired effect, but as a first step it is normal.
          2. -1
            April 26 2024 19: 23
            . hit the diplomatic buildings of those countries in Kyiv with Iskanders!

            No problem, there's no one there.

            Are you sure that you want, say, a severance of diplomatic relations with the United States?
          3. +1
            April 27 2024 13: 27
            This is tantamount to a declaration of war. Are we ready for it?..
            1. +5
              April 29 2024 08: 54
              But “confiscation,” or rather the robbery of the country’s state assets, is not a declaration of war? Or do you need official paperwork? So in the store, there’s nowhere to put toilet paper.
        2. +2
          April 27 2024 13: 24
          You are right, but such attacks could lead to the outbreak of World War III
          1. +1
            April 28 2024 07: 48
            Israel fucked up. It’s clear that the “chosen ones” can do anything, but still.
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      3. +5
        April 26 2024 19: 22
        This is impossible, because it is already deeply echeloned. In certain directions. But air defense is not a panacea. This is a very expensive piece of equipment that breaks down more often than it works. And don’t forget that radars and SNR influence each other if they are in a “heap”, and if they are also electronic warfare, then their radars suffer more than the enemy’s. "Friendly" fire is obtained. If ATACMS 2000 appears to the Ukrainians, then we will have to close several more civil airports in large cities. Not from them, but from our own air defense. There is only one way out: calculate the logistics of supplying complexes and missiles for them, and destroy both individual trucks and trains. And this, only, in the presence of a remote sensing group from space. Aviation is still powerless...
        1. +1
          April 27 2024 13: 29
          Well, as far as I know, air defense systems of radar stations operate at certain frequencies, and it will be possible to choose the optimal frequencies so that the stations do not interfere with each other. Further, a deep-in-depth air defense system is a combination of long-range, medium- and short-range complexes, so I think placing them in a line will not be difficult. But as for airfields, there should be a friend-or-foe system, certain air corridors with the exact place and time of aircraft passage.
        2. 0
          1 May 2024 04: 22
          But air defense is not a panacea. This is a very expensive piece of equipment that breaks down more often than it works. And don’t forget that radars and SNR influence each other if they are in a “heap”, and if they are also electronic warfare, then their radars suffer more than the enemy’s. "Friendly" fire is obtained

          Where is the droushka?
      4. +2
        April 27 2024 06: 35
        you probably still live in the paradigm of the USSR. What are all the objects? Whose property do they belong to? Are you confusing anything? who should protect them? weren’t the owners who so successfully took over these refineries and other “strategic” things? or is it something else again?
        1. 0
          April 27 2024 13: 30
          OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ahhhhh, I'd better keep quiet laughing
    2. +23
      April 26 2024 07: 53
      We're on the defensive again. Again we turn our cheeks.
      Why aren't we proactive?
      Why don't we supply missiles and drones to the Houthis and others?
      Why don’t the Syrians calibrate US military bases in Syria, Iraq and throughout the Middle East with our missiles?
      Why don’t our intelligence services provide support to the Basques, Catalans, Bretons, Northern Irish, Walloons, etc.?
      Why don't ISIS carry out terrorist attacks in France and Germany before the LGBT Olympics and the World Cup?
      Under the USSR, such questions would not have arisen. The intelligence services and the military worked, and did not steal the budget, like all sorts of Ivanovs. Several more people were arrested in Ivanov’s case. This is already an organized crime group in the Moscow Region during the Northern Military District. This is already treason. Moreover, treason is at the very top.
      There just isn't enough evil. am am am
      1. +18
        April 26 2024 08: 56
        Why don't we supply missiles and drones to the Houthis and others?
        Why don’t the Syrians calibrate US military bases in Syria, Iraq and throughout the Middle East with our missiles?

        Because such events will not bring profit to the home-grown bourgeoisie, who are the ruling class in the Russian Federation; rather, on the contrary, they will bring losses
      2. +6
        April 26 2024 15: 02
        Why don't we supply missiles and drones to the Houthis and others?

        Because Ukraine is a UN member state and nothing prevents us from selling weapons to them.
        And the Houthis are, alas, bandit formations, or if you want, separatists or rebels.

        Why don’t our intelligence services provide support to the Basques, Catalans, Bretons, Northern Irish, Walloons, etc.?

        For the same reason, because the United States did not supply missiles to the Chechens.
        In my opinion, in response, we need to withdraw from the sanctions regime and supply modern weapons to Iran and Korea. The SSBN would be VERY suitable for the Koreans, and the Su-35 for the Iranians. However, as I understand it, the dryers are already ready for shipment.

        Why don’t the Syrians calibrate US military bases in Syria, Iraq and throughout the Middle East with our missiles?

        This is, of course, a question for Smri residents, but the answer is obvious - they are afraid of the answers.

        Why don't ISIS carry out terrorist attacks in France and Germany before the LGBT Olympics and the World Cup?

        Good question. My opinion, because ISIS is a creation of the CIA.
        But it's not evening yet.

        Under the USSR, such questions would not have arisen.

        The USSR never supplied OTRK to the rebels.
      3. -5
        April 26 2024 21: 39
        Because our defense scheme cuts out from battalion to regiment of the enemy per day.
        What could be more ideal?
      4. 0
        April 27 2024 06: 37
        Well, you’re right) not only do we set you up, but we don’t stop cheating and getting offended, how come... we’re our own bourgeois)) what homeland are you talking about and to whom are you appealing? to those who have their chests on the front? they protect and for the rest everything has not changed - their homeland is where there is food, and not where they can fill their pockets
      5. +7
        April 27 2024 23: 09
        View from Belarus.
        At the very beginning of the Northern Military District, when the first deliveries of helmets and body armor went to Ukraine, I wrote comments here that with such an attitude towards the war, you will wait for supplies of Western tanks and aircraft.
        The majority downvoted me.))
        The tanks have arrived, and we are now discussing the delivery of F-16s and ATACMS.
        Sorry, but the answer to your question is:
        Because your economic and political elite was NOTHING different and, by and large, still is for the most part no different from the West (do you think Timur Ivanov is an exception to the rule?).
        This is a man of the SYSTEM.
        Pardon me, who created such a system for you?
        All these years, these gentlemen earned money and unanimously called the guys from overseas partners.
        They didn’t care what the Anglo-Saxons did in Ukraine and what this country was turning into; they didn’t care about Donetsk and Lugansk.
        That’s why the Maidans took place from 2008 to 2014, that’s why ANTI-RUSSIA was born, that’s why you were dragged ABSOLUTELY unprepared into this war (the guys in London and Washington probably opened champagne on February 24.02 from an excess of feelings), that’s why you blew up gas pipelines (interesting, but Is this the red line in the opinion of your helmsmen or not quite yet?).
        In the absence of the necessary political decisions, all that remains is to broadcast “Ah-yay, we were constantly deceived,” “Ah-yay, we underestimated the desire of Donetsk and Lugansk to live in Russia.”
        No matter how it relates to your Ministry of Defense, even they asked to start mobilization, because they understood that it was impossible to hold a front of such length with a 200 thousand strong group, but they were not allowed to do this (what if there was a social explosion?, a counter question: what the hell then? start if you have such discord among your population?)
        And there were “regroupings” from near Kyiv, Sumy and Chernigov, and there was a great drag from near Kharkov, and only then did these gentlemen begin to itch (I feel so sorry for the people in Bucha, Irpen, Izyum and Krasny Liman, who believed and helped our guys, and then who ended up killed by the Nazis, and remember the visits of Kiriyenko and other comrades with posters “Forever with Russia!”?).
        How can you win when some fight and others get high?
        Thank God, everything is slowly changing for you and this inspires HOPE.
        As Nikita Sergeevich Mikhalkov says, WE WILL WIN!, but when the guys return from the front they will have a lot of questions that they will have to answer.
    3. +20
      April 26 2024 08: 54
      We will not answer the Americans and the British with anything. Just remember Zbyszek Brzezinski’s statement about the Russian elite, where they have real estate, children, mistresses, where they have money and whose elite they are. It's just all too similar to "boys' squabbles." There are no ideological problems, they simply decide who is the “coolest kid” in the area. Well, the fact that ordinary people are dying is the fate of ordinary people.
    4. +8
      April 26 2024 11: 06
      Question number one...how and how will we respond to the Americans to this dirty trick?

      Nothing. Nothing.
      Question number two...how will we solve the issue of overloading our air defense in the event of a massive missile attack on targets?

      We will not solve the issue of overload with anything other than a greater concentration of air defense and electronic warfare systems.

      Another thing is that it would be nice to direct our VKS to knock out the launchers themselves during the launch process. True, target designation would require the interaction of satellite reconnaissance and AWACS aircraft + the use of our aviation in entire units at once. If this happened, there would be a chance to reduce the number of MARS and HIMARS in Ukraine. But this option is purely theoretical and it is unknown whether we have the opportunity to pull this off. So far, the VKS are used primarily for dropping FABs and limited missile attacks on front-line targets (not counting individual Dagger launches). I don’t remember more complex and complex operations
      1. +5
        April 27 2024 02: 11
        Another thing is that it would be nice to direct our VKS to knock out the launchers themselves during the launch process.

        There is nothing special about the Atacama launcher, it is a massive MLRS. The Americans have enough of them to make up for the losses of the Ukrainians. And the Poles buy hundreds of them in general.
        1. +1
          April 27 2024 06: 40
          I can see it just like that..they are standing in a field..their launchers are in a column..and our VKS are flying))) for the third year everything is quite the opposite) and the VKS is not flying and they are not standing in columns) how many “carriers” of storms there are there, everything is endless "goes down and takes off again?))
    5. -10
      April 26 2024 20: 03
      Question number one...how and how will we respond to the Americans to this dirty trick?...and will we respond at all?
      Answer? There would be a desire! There are enough large bridges in Ukraine. For example, Darnitsky railway bridge in Kyiv. Yes, if you throw a small nuclear warhead, the effect will be enormous.
      1. +2
        April 27 2024 06: 42
        What’s in your head... it’s not clear... senile insanity or youthful polycivism? what kind of atomic what kind of small charge?... in light of recent events, I’m not even surprised that the king is naked and like the uniforms in warehouses and 80% saturation of the army with new ones))) and with nuclear weapons he may not be)) in fact
        1. -3
          April 27 2024 14: 05
          so it may not be with Yao)) in fact

          We don't know this. Where could it have gone? Yes, and two years of SVO. The nuclear industry was working. At least at the exhibition they showed a 152 mm projectile - 1 and 2 kilotons for the Coalition.
          As for the insanity of using tactical nuclear weapons, this idea is increasingly finding supporters. Yes, if the Russian Armed Forces do not make much progress over the summer, then tactical nuclear weapons can help out. And a response as revenge for the Crimean Bridge is just right.
    6. +3
      April 26 2024 21: 20
      How to decide? Just as they “decided” with the protection of Black Sea Fleet ships, what we can hide, and what we can’t, maybe it will get carried away. Although I don’t think it will work.
      On April 18, as our military correspondents reported, we lost the S-400 air defense system and more to “missiles from the last century” - ATACMS at the Dzhankoy airfield. Possible simultaneous launch of 80 upgraded missiles by US Army leavers
      ATACMS, in combination with 10 Storm Shadow missiles with decoys, combined with the use of two dozen naval drones, as a gift to us on May 9, will really not allow our air defense personnel, who have no experience in dealing with a massive missile attack, to complete the task of preserving the Crimean Bridge . Artificial intelligence does not yet control our air defense. It should be taken into account that our NATO enemy will actively use its satellites and MQ-9 Reaper drones for reconnaissance and correction of missile flights to the target. In order to identify and overload Russian air defense, it cannot be ruled out that fifty new Ukrainian drones, similar to those that visited Mordovia on April 17, 700 km from the border with Ukraine, will simultaneously appear in the skies over Crimea. The forecast this time is negative. But all the same, just like in 1945, the enemy (NATO proxy) will be defeated, victory will be ours.
    7. -1
      April 27 2024 19: 17
      Again they will draw red lines, we must strike proactively and preferably with a tactical warhead and let them howl, it’s their business, they will know that they can and they will get it, stop playing their game
    8. +1
      1 May 2024 12: 03
      If Kyiv gets 200 missiles at its disposal, that’s actually a lot. Will they be able to allocate 20, 30, 40 or 50 missiles there in order to stage a massive attack on the Bridge? Certainly. With pleasure. And they will allocate it and launch it

      I always say - think ahead. A strike on a bridge is a test of the missile control system to counter electronic warfare. Surely some of these missiles are prototypes. Emphasis will be placed on “successful specimens”. This is the first one. Reaction to crossing the “red line” or response is the second. Will there be no fish or meat? - yeah, it’s gone, more and more. Our reaction is sharp and tangible answers. So that you remember and regret. But not strikes for the sake of strikes, but with cold calculation, calibrated consequences and maximum effect.
  3. -2
    April 26 2024 04: 27
    Well, they also have Pershings and Tridents...
    1. +3
      April 26 2024 06: 41
      There are no Pershings, they were scrapped according to the INF Treaty, and the Trident strategic missile is on a nuclear submarine!
      1. +2
        April 27 2024 06: 43
        These are scraps for us and all their warheads have been removed and are lying around. and not scrapped
        1. +1
          April 27 2024 16: 42
          What does this have to do with warheads? "Pershing" is first and foremost a missile and they were destroyed. The warhead itself is nothing, just a bomb with an expiration date; our warheads were not destroyed either!
  4. +15
    April 26 2024 04: 51
    I’m embarrassed to ask, but ATACMS is not a “red line”? Or should we really wait for the Pershings?
    1. +4
      April 26 2024 05: 11
      The stupidest thing is that international laws prohibit the sale of missiles with a range of more than 280 km, although here, of course, it’s free, but they were going to sell jassm-er to Psheks with a range of more than 900 km
      1. +9
        April 26 2024 13: 39
        Quote: LuckyBlog
        The stupidest thing is that international laws prohibit the sale of missiles with a range of more than

        The stupidest thing is to believe in “international laws”.
        1. 0
          April 26 2024 17: 30
          In general, international laws are written by s, the rest simply sign that they are familiar with it...
      2. +2
        April 27 2024 02: 12
        The stupidest thing is that international laws prohibit the sale of missiles with a range of more than 280 km

        300 km. Atakams are not subject to restrictions.
      3. 0
        April 27 2024 19: 20
        Yes, they comply with such laws and we must comply with them.
    2. 0
      April 27 2024 06: 44
      brown) so... thin, thin))
  5. +7
    April 26 2024 05: 24
    Decisions are needed at the strategic level,

    In truth.
  6. -3
    April 26 2024 05: 53
    Quote: Aerodrome
    I’m embarrassed to ask, but ATACMS is not a “red line”? Or should we really wait for the Pershings?

    This is a provocation?
    Systematically reading your comments, I think yes. You don't have to answer.
    1. +23
      April 26 2024 07: 27
      As they say, you only had to wipe yourself once. and the constant smearing of snot on the face... has not frightened anyone for a long time, and does not even cause laughter anymore. It’s just disgust. If anyone else once had any hopes, then even those who believe in us are already convinced... of the opposite . a fable about a pug and an elephant. Moreover, the elephant is not us
  7. BAI
    +12
    April 26 2024 05: 59
    Indeed, all hope is that in the Moscow Region at least someone is involved in business (official, not personal).
    And with a deviation of 100 m around the city - it’s a sacred thing, you won’t miss
    1. +2
      April 26 2024 06: 47
      The fact of the matter is that with such a warhead and missile defense it is pointless to shoot at a bridge, plus in order to deliver a massive strike you need to use all available installations!
      1. +1
        April 30 2024 11: 30
        According to their plan, the Atacamas and UAVs distract and hit the air defense, and Storms (short shadow) with a concrete-piercing warhead fly over the bridge.
        1. 0
          April 30 2024 18: 41
          ATACMS For a distraction that is somehow expensive and rich, they need as many cheap long-range missiles and missiles with large warheads and long-range missiles as a minimum, and the missile itself does not fly; it needs a launcher - too many conditions!
    2. +3
      April 26 2024 07: 25
      Well, you’re a real science fiction writer) there has long been only personal at the expense of official. others don’t stay there and, more accurately, simply don’t get there.
  8. -5
    April 26 2024 06: 30
    The bridge was built, as always, without even foreseeing the immediate consequences and the possibility of its destruction. A huge amount of money was spent and stolen, who will answer this.
    smart strategists back in 14 the land corridor would be restored.
    1. -3
      April 26 2024 07: 24
      the bridge has long been of no use... just window dressing and profanity, especially in terms of safety... with "inspection" by guards from the Ministry of Transport... no one except personal civilian cars moves on it. no cargo is delivered. But how many coulards from the budget are spent on maintaining this shobbly....
      1. 0
        April 26 2024 07: 56
        Quote from Twilight Elf
        the bridge has long been of no use... just window dressing and profanity, especially in terms of security... with "inspection"

        This is an image project, a symbol of getting up from your knees, - well, they ask, - what’s the matter with machine tool building? - and the answer is, - There is a Crimean Bridge.
        1. 0
          April 27 2024 06: 47
          But besides the dress for the naked king, do we have anything real? there is a bridge
          of course, but as a bridge it is a complete ZERO. another confirmation that Crimea is some kind of foreign country and not Russia. It’s strange that there are still no customs with border guards there. On both sides...
      2. +3
        April 26 2024 16: 13
        The bridge has long been of no use...

        Well, yes, well, bridges are of no use at all.
        And the goods are not delivered. And the railway bridge is not working.
        Directly according to the manual.
        First you need to write, these are all cartoons. - it didn’t help, that means
        Then the fact that they won’t build it didn’t help, which means
        Then they stole. - it didn’t help, that means
        The bridge has long been of no use.
        1. +1
          April 27 2024 06: 49
          what's the use? Do asshole tourists take you here and there? well, yes..) effective, that’s it. everything else is by ferry or cruising around the Kherson region. and most importantly, what will this profanity save from? if they want to smuggle it, they will smuggle it) all those “events” of the guards - relying on a sucker and accidental detection. and there are still plenty of hills and hillocks under Kerch.) Not everyone has had shells on them yet.
          1. -2
            April 27 2024 22: 40
            what's the use? Do asshole tourists take you here and there? well, yes..) effective, that’s it.

            During the war, not everything is as you want. The war will end, there will be no Ukraine or it will be small and everything will be transported again. so there's nothing to argue about.
    2. -2
      April 26 2024 16: 15
      smart strategists back in 14 the land corridor would be restored.

      Thank God that you are not smart and not a strategist and in general no one is interested in your opinion
      Catch the minus.
      1. +1
        April 27 2024 19: 38
        Bk316 that you are not sitting in the Moscow Region would give your strategic fabrications
    3. +2
      April 27 2024 19: 35
      No one is going to answer how their children will fatten over the hill. And to live in their forks, yes, they have prepared everything there for a long time with money stolen beyond their strength, who should they worry about? Prigozhin’s march to Moscow showed who is who
  9. +23
    April 26 2024 06: 33
    The airfields of Kursk, Voronezh, Buturlinovka, and Millerov may be under attack. That is, those airfields that are bombarded every other day (or even every day) by drones that are not reconnaissance aircraft at all.
    It was the third year of the NWO, the headlines of the articles included all sorts of nonsense like ATACMS, but “valuable foreign specialists” continued to stubbornly shift the curbs in the country. But what are they used for, really? build airplane hangars??
    And so - Russian roulette will arrive/not arrive... (even if at least one cassette breaks through the air defense) of course, no one will be to blame for this. Paisley: ATACMS? - they wrote. What about hangars? come on... this topic is not popular, you can’t break the hype here.
    1. +20
      April 26 2024 07: 15
      You can’t build a culiardik in a hangar and you can’t build logs out of shit and sticks with your hands. They’ll be better at moving curbs - it’s stable and not burdensome - the technology of theft has been worked out. Even when the curb plant is owned by the son of the mayor or governor... And they can also be carried out by state employees, expelled for free on community cleanup days, but they can be carried out as budget expenses) ) And here is a hangar for an airplane) well, you’re straight, you’re a science fiction writer. They can put you in prison for this) this is not one and a half sets of uniforms... somewhere with a cow’s tongue - and then you can hang him for the ensign of the warehouse chief.
    2. 0
      April 27 2024 03: 41
      Quote: VPK-65
      The airfields of Kursk, Voronezh, Buturlinovka, and Millerov may be under attack. That is, those airfields that are bombarded every other day (or even every day) by drones that are not reconnaissance aircraft at all.
      It was the third year of the NWO, the headlines of the articles included all sorts of nonsense like ATACMS, but “valuable foreign specialists” continued to stubbornly shift the curbs in the country. But what are they used for, really? build airplane hangars??
      And so - Russian roulette will arrive/not arrive... (even if at least one cassette breaks through the air defense) of course, no one will be to blame for this. Paisley: ATACMS? - they wrote. What about hangars? come on... this topic is not popular, you can’t break the hype here.
  10. -6
    April 26 2024 06: 39
    This question; It’s not the military who decide how we respond, the President: they can only give recommendations. For example, mine is this: in response, destroy the garden of dams along the Dnieper, above Kyiv. Well, hit targets on Bankova and Lemberg. True, it will be necessary to use low-power (2,5 kt) SB, but the Poles will be the first to howl when instead of the Eastern Kres they see “shish and kumysh”.
    1. +2
      April 27 2024 06: 52
      they blame him, he blames him back, like I’m not solving anything, I’m just recommending)) please... I’m persuading)) a ​​vicious circle. no one wants to take on anything)
  11. +18
    April 26 2024 06: 42
    So why are we different? We have been on strategic defense for two years. Bakhmut was released on May 20, 2023. Chasovoy Yar is 9 km from Bakhmut. We walk these 9 km all year long. We will only be taken into account when our troops move to liberate the territories. As for American missiles, we ourselves are to blame for constantly whining and doing nothing. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Americans gave the USSR a week to remove the missiles from Cuba.
    1. +9
      April 26 2024 08: 05
      We have been on strategic defense for two years

      Well - for example, such a clearly combat-ready Western army as the IDF has been busy for half a year with a territory of 360 km²... And so far their final victory is not in sight... But Hamas is by no means a pumped-up Ukrovermacht The West, according to its capabilities..
      1. +5
        April 26 2024 09: 39
        But the IDF didn’t tell anyone about “having no analogues in the world” and about “second in the world” and first in tank biathlons.
        1. +12
          April 26 2024 09: 40
          Come on! Well, whoever - and the Jews were buzzing with all their ears about the invincibility of the IDF and its super-sophistication with everything, everything, the most modern and advanced...
          1. -2
            April 26 2024 09: 45
            But I have never heard from their politicians and staff propagandists-"experts" - "Palestine in three days."
            1. +12
              April 26 2024 09: 46
              You're listening in a strange way. Actually, they seemed to promise it in a month. Then - for the New Year. Now they are somehow silent...
              1. -8
                April 26 2024 09: 48
                And what? This is not “throwing hats” when the matter has not yet begun.
            2. 0
              April 27 2024 06: 53
              Do you watch that side so closely 24/7? or judge by what our people show on TV? This is how ours show what is beneficial for ours to show)
    2. +11
      April 26 2024 08: 34
      Quote: HellAmigo
      Bakhmut was released on May 20, 2023. Chasovoy Yar is 9 km from Bakhmut. We walk these 9 km all year long.

      And if you listen to the news, every day we are advancing uncontrollably. True, you won’t find that progress on the map of Ukraine. Is it possible to take a quest to guess how the map of military operations has changed over the year? Not everyone can figure it out!
      1. 0
        April 27 2024 06: 54
        one step forward and two steps back.))
    3. +11
      April 26 2024 09: 57
      The Americans gave the USSR a week to remove the missiles from Cuba

      It’s good to whistle to people about the Americans’ ultimatum. Operation Anadyr was carried out brilliantly by the USSR. The United States shit its pants, which resulted in the following actions: missiles were removed from Turkey and Italy, and they also promised never to attack Liberty Island
      1. +4
        April 26 2024 14: 50
        Very lucky indeed. All American generals were in favor of bombing Cuba (and the USSR too if it intervened); Kennedy was under severe pressure. It was only a miracle that TMB did not begin, in which the United States would have had an overwhelming advantage.
        1. -2
          April 26 2024 16: 30
          How to say. They had something to lose, but for us here, as they say, Nezhili is good and there is nothing to start with. So they didn't have an advantage.
    4. -2
      April 26 2024 10: 53
      And that the USSR removed the missiles a week later? Maybe the US removed missiles from Turkey by agreeing to an agreement?
  12. +16
    April 26 2024 06: 54
    Yes, Crimea will have a “fun” time during the May holidays. Yes, and the cities of the Russian Federation within a radius of 300 km too. (Wait, they will definitely install Tomahawks and JASSM-XR in 2025 and it will already be 1900-2500 km) Hit the same “Immortal Regiment” , having killed tens of thousands of Russian people - this is the true, inescapable pleasure of the ukrofashist, angry at the failure of his grandfathers. And the amerofascist, of course, is only happy to kill Russians. This is their essence. And all this is a consequence of the fact that the “second” army of the world (and taking into account nuclear weapons is really the first ) has been trying to push through either the twentieth or the thirtieth for two years now. As a result, we receive attacks on our territory every night. Since 1944, there has not been such an outrage. And this is a consequence of the fact that our attacks are carried out on some areas, “military targets” What What's the point in such strikes? Do they run to LBS? No. The response to terrorist acts should always be four addresses Bankovaya 10,11, 6. Ave. Vozdukhoflottsev, 3, Elektrikov, 33, Vladimirskaya, 20 All in Kiev. (It is clear that the main worms they are sitting in bunkers, but then excuse me, send 30-12.93 Iskanders with a penetrating warhead to Shelkovichnaya St., 2 m down. Kn. Ostrogskikh St., 86 3,5,6 m down) Yes, just destroy the thermal power plant 15 in the same Kyiv, pumping shops for water intake from the Dnieper (Kievvodokanal), wastewater treatment plants in Kyiv (pumping stations) All these structures + 13 artesian water intake stations, for example, my 7-year-old child found the coordinates in just an hour on Yandex.Maps. .And he asked me why the smart Uncles on Frunzenskaya Embankment2003 couldn’t find these coordinates in at least two years? And I don’t have an answer...If there was an answer, we wouldn’t be waiting with shudder for the May holidays. Amerofascist friends This is exactly where the ukrofashist would have started and ended two years ago, remember Baghdad 10, remember where Hussein was later taken from. We don’t even need to show a test tube of flour now, their deeds are already superior in some places to the deeds of their fascist relatives from the forties. And May 2024, 2022 will we be “in response to” again? Now there should be a warning with frying the main worms to the point of readiness, then repeat a couple more times, but in random places where the heirs of these worms will hide in a panic (as in March XNUMX), and That’s it, no more ukroworm will go to lead the war with us for the interests of his amerofascist Master, because for him the main thing in this life, along with the safe (since the government of the Russian Federation happily allows this to be done) murder of a Russian, is to eat sweetly, drink, steal and enjoy his luxurious life (such is his wormy demonic nature), and not at all roasted to the last leading worm (yes, this is for their rank and file, caught on the street of the TCC), as His Owner thinks.
    1. 0
      April 27 2024 06: 55
      You are like a child. Yes, EVERYTHING has been installed a long time ago and has already been used several times. this is only now a statement of what was already accomplished long ago
  13. Des
    +14
    April 26 2024 06: 58
    From an author’s article on VO: “To launch missiles, the Americans did not come up with anything new, and simply adapted the wheeled MLRS HIMARS and the same MLRS, but on a tracked track, MLRS. HIMARS can carry two launch containers, and MLRS one.”
    Even without knowing these systems, it is logical to assume that the tracked chassis carries a greater load. Therefore, the HIMARS MLRS is one PC, and the MLRS MLRS is two ATACMS PCs.
  14. +11
    April 26 2024 08: 09
    Quote: VPK-65
    Is it really possible to build hangars for airplanes?

    Yes, it’s a fair remark - building shelters from monolithic reinforced concrete is a piece of cake.
    And this immediately removes 99% of threats.
    You can even make a prefabricated reinforced concrete structure. Cast it yourself at the nearest reinforced concrete structure and install it.
    But this will not happen - the celestials expect to reach an agreement with their partners.
    1. +1
      April 27 2024 06: 56
      it’s easier..to heat pyramids and scatter them in an open field) the profit will be greater than to build hangars))
  15. Uno
    +5
    April 26 2024 08: 28
    What are the red lines, are you saying everything is according to plan) Even the author is glad that there will be such an enemy for air defense, and not some kind of chimars
  16. +2
    April 26 2024 08: 28
    Will there be a retaliatory supply of thermobaric weapons to Iranian proxies to attack US military bases? Well, of course not. It’s just that they don’t win wars by defending themselves.
    1. +4
      April 26 2024 11: 50
      It's better to arm the Mexican cartels better. Fit ATGMs for them. Train drug cartel fighters. So that the southern border blazes near the mattresses. Return the favor to them for 2 Chechens.
    2. +1
      April 27 2024 06: 57
      that you are all relying on some somewhere... here and now she is walking... and not there... all these undercover things are appropriate when she herself is not here and now.
    3. 0
      April 27 2024 23: 20
      Quote: Earl
      Will there be a retaliatory supply of thermobaric weapons to Iranian proxies to attack US military bases?

      What do you want to achieve with this?
  17. +11
    April 26 2024 08: 51
    The most important targets are airfields. The bridge will not give anything other than propaganda. There is a route through Taganrog. And UMPC specifically is the main caliber of this war and 300 km is a convenient distance for aircraft.
    Unfortunately, the opposing side did not disdain launches against peaceful cities.
  18. +6
    April 26 2024 09: 10
    HIMARS can carry two launch containers, and MLRS can carry one.

    In fact, it's the opposite. Himars is one, and MLRS is two.
  19. +2
    April 26 2024 09: 17
    Well, if such a booze is planned, then isn’t it time to hand over the bastions to the Houthis, so let’s see how their scows of the United States and their allies go to the bottom, I don’t understand where our fellows are looking when drawing red lines, if only the Merikatos would grab the arrogant red face, maybe and they would think about it, but they get away with everything, then drones fly near Crimea, then the Ukrainians fire missiles at a tip from Fashington, of course I have emotions now, but isn’t it time to rein in their intelligence and help the Houthis just as brazenly as the Merikatos, America a nation of bandits, and we also have to play with marked cards according to their own rules, we want to sell to the Houthis, we want to be friends with China, etc.!
    1. 0
      April 27 2024 23: 23
      Quote: belovvladimir
      I don’t understand where our neighbors are looking when drawing red lines

      Red lines work. Once your ideas are implemented, they will stop working. But you are unlikely to be happy.
  20. +11
    April 26 2024 09: 32
    There is no doubt that they can launch the entire stock of missiles over the bridge. Well, they don’t mind the freebies. And at the same time, dipole reflectors on the balls will be launched. Also about 200 pieces, and some other nasty stuff... How to distinguish and knock it all down? And most importantly, will the existing air defense be enough? The Gruntpotamus will also estimate how much is needed to overload our air defense of the bridge...
    The conclusion from what has been said is that it is necessary to destroy the missiles, but also those making decisions and issuing launch commands. Somehow we haven’t heard any news that the leaders and senior officers of the Ukrovermacht are being liquidated. For some reason they don’t explode in their own cars or houses...
  21. 0
    April 26 2024 09: 34
    The author wrote that the S300 can shoot down an Atakms missile. How difficult is it to shoot down Atakms using the S300? The fact is that the C 300 carries out a shoot down (in simple words) by detonating near the target, a “cloud” is formed. This method is effective against airplanes, helicopters and UAVs. The Atakms Rocket has a thickness of 5-6 cm and is not afraid of the “cloud” of fragments. Is my point clear?
    1. +9
      April 26 2024 11: 06
      The Atakms Rocket cannot have a thickness of 5-6 cm along its entire length. Only a penetrating warhead can have such a thickness, but there are no such warheads in the ATAKMS arsenal, the remaining missile blocks are not armored, and meeting with tungsten submunitions at closing speeds of the order of 3-4 km/s does not bode well for a warhead with walls 5-6 cm.
    2. +1
      April 27 2024 06: 59
      well, all other air defense systems have approximately the same principle of operation)))
  22. +4
    April 26 2024 09: 59
    And in 1998, a not very pleasant event happened - a new improved MGM-140B ATACMS Block 1A missile was put into operation, the range of which was almost doubled, to 300 km. In addition, the guidance system was supplemented with the NAVSTAR satellite correction subsystem. And this made the missile much more accurate: the CEP became less than 100 meters. Two and a half times better than the first model.
    In the wake of such success at the 1A base, the Americans immediately created the Block IA Unitary missile, with a unitary high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 227 kilograms.
    Today, the US Army is armed with the latest ATACMS models, the MGM-164 ATACMS 2000 and ATACMS 2000 MOD missiles. The accuracy has been further increased due to more modern electronics, the range is again around 300 km, a high-explosive fragmentation warhead with a three-mode fuse, including an air blast function.

    As always, the fantasy part prevails over the factual part, and it’s not good to be honest with the dates.
    The first was the M39 Block I missile with a range of 165 km.
    Next is the M39A1 Block I, which, by reducing the warhead, has more than tripled its range to 300 km and added GPS guidance to the inertial guidance system.
    On its basis, the M39A2 Block 2 (MGM-164A) was designed, whose warhead, instead of 300 M74 fragmentation submunitions, had 13 homing cumulative Brilliant Anti-Tank (BAT). This program was closed in 2003 at the operational readiness stage.
    Next was the M48 QRU, in which the cassette warhead was replaced by the monoblock WAU-23/B, developed on the basis of the WDU-18/B Harpoon anti-ship missile warhead. They produced 176 of them and moved on to production of the M57 Block IA Unitary. It differs from the previous modification by a three-mode fuse and an improved guidance system that allows it to hit moving targets, including sea targets.
    The main types of rockets are in the first picture. The second shows an approximate development timeline.
    Yes, the United States has developed an entire program to extend the service life of these missiles and maintain them at the proper level of combat effectiveness. Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) - a program within which the service life is extended and even seems to improve the characteristics of ATACMS missiles

    This is a program to upgrade the produced M39 and M39A1 to the M57 variant. The upgraded missiles were designated M57E1. The program started in 2021 and ends in 2024.
    In light of the above, the author’s maxim
    It is clear that the latest ATACMS models are not coming to Kyiv

    looks, to put it mildly, groundless.
    1. +1
      April 26 2024 12: 21
      This is a program to upgrade the produced M39 and M39A1 to the M57 variant. The upgraded missiles were designated M57E1. The program started in 2021 and ends in 2024.


      Are the new ATACAMS launched on a ballistic or quasi-ballistic trajectory?
      1. +4
        April 26 2024 14: 30
        Everything is quasi-ballistic.
  23. 0
    April 26 2024 09: 59
    Tor-M2 cannot intercept modern ballistic missiles; it has a completely different specialization - protecting columns from aerodynamic attack weapons.
    BR is a target with a speed of the order of 2000 m/s, 6M and higher, and Tor “takes” only 700 m/s (according to other sources - 1000 m/s).
    And the Pantsir-S cannot shoot down something like that, only the Pantsir-SM.
    1. +1
      April 27 2024 15: 19
      Vladimir. Good afternoon. Not everything is as sad as you described. Firstly, 2000 m/s is the speed of the longest-range M57 Block IA and only at the end of OUT. At the end of KUT, at the target itself its speed is about 700 m/s, and at interception altitudes from 15 to 25 km its speed is 750-800 m/s. For the shorter-range M39 Block I, the speed at the end of the KUT is even less, about 380 m/s. Not like modern systems like the S-400 or Buk, even the old Soviet 2K11 Krug air defense systems would cope with such a goal. For modern air defense systems, more difficult targets are the Storm Shadow and Taurus missile systems. Although, if they are used in mass launches - 20 missiles at once or 50 missiles in one launch - this is already a problem.
  24. +1
    April 26 2024 10: 07
    It’s harsh, of course, but in case of using ATACMS, it is necessary to demolish, for example, Lviv, this viper of the Ukrainian Nazis, along with Western consulates and embassies. They won’t understand whether the next Bandera city, or the regional center. bully
    1. +5
      April 26 2024 11: 01
      A month after such an action, Ukraine will receive JASSM with a range of 2000 kilometers and the Western media will fly into a rage, calling Russia a terrorist and a barbarian. And then neither Marjorie Greene nor Tucker Carlson will help.
      1. +1
        April 26 2024 14: 02
        If we don’t fight harshly, they will boil us like that frog in hot milk, gradually raising the temperature. Whom should I feel sorry for? A city with 100% fascists? After WWII we forgave all our enemies, so what?
        Even if the Western media piss on boiling water, what do we care? There is a fundamental confrontation going on
        1. -2
          April 26 2024 14: 52
          And what does the media have to do with it? You were clearly told what the consequences would be: the supply of thousands of long-range missiles. Which will fly around Moscow, the Kremlin, and other cities all the way to Siberia. There is nowhere to hide. There is nothing to answer except nuclear weapons. Do we need it?

          The West can also simply organize a naval blockade - and this will end the tanker fleet and most of the trade. Again, there is nothing to answer except nuclear weapons.
          1. -4
            April 26 2024 14: 58
            What do you suggest giving up? We need to launch thousands of missiles ahead of them, if they want war, let them get it.
            1. 0
              April 26 2024 15: 09
              The current situation is better than a major escalation.
              And you forget that in a conventional war, NATO has much more of everything, including missiles.
              1. -4
                April 26 2024 15: 26
                Not so much, especially effective weapons. And then it no longer means that you can win. Russia always wins, maybe sometimes with difficulty, but it wins. But there will be war, everything is heading towards it, and we must meet it fully armed.
                1. +5
                  April 26 2024 15: 35
                  Does it always win? Crimean, Russian-Japanese, WWII, Afghan, Cold?.. And now the balance of forces is worse than in any of these wars, including the Cold.

                  We should try to avoid a big war, and not hasten its onset. “War is inevitable anyway” is not an argument; according to this logic, the globe should have long ago turned into nuclear dust, given how fierce the confrontation between the West and the USSR was. However, they avoided it.
                  1. -8
                    April 26 2024 15: 49
                    Everything you listed is not a defeat, but in my opinion a temporary retreat, or maneuvers, so to speak. And now we have begun to return what was taken from us.
                    Both Ukraine and the Baltic states and many other things will return to the Russian Oecumene. They themselves are pushing us towards this, they would sit quietly like mice, rejoice that they are not seen or heard, but no, they became like drunken hares.
                  2. +1
                    April 26 2024 19: 11
                    . Does it always win?

                    Wins when participating in a coalition on the side of England. Does not win when participating in a coalition against England.
                    1. +1
                      April 27 2024 23: 27
                      In WWII they managed to lose on the England side. Why, England (in numbered coalitions, by the way, they consistently lost on their side), managed to lose on the winning side.
                      1. -2
                        April 27 2024 23: 31
                        Well, it's a long story. The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was nevertheless annulled.
                      2. +1
                        April 27 2024 23: 39
                        They entered the war with an eye on Constantinople and the Czech crown, came out without Poland, Finland and the Baltic states (and got off cheap).
                      3. 0
                        April 28 2024 08: 32
                        I am forced to note that the absence of Poland, Finland and the Baltic states from the USSR is far from the main problem of those residents of the Republic of Ingushetia who survived after some of the internal political transformations of those years.
          2. 0
            April 27 2024 15: 23
            And what does the media have to do with it? You were clearly told what the consequences would be: the supply of thousands of long-range missiles.

            And hurray, the “patriots” in this case will not strike at the place of shipment of these missiles to the borders of Ukraine and preferably tactical nuclear weapons, but will wait for them all to be launched. Well then, with such outrages, we are doomed. Or did you decide out of your mind that someone from the NATO countries would strike with thousands of long-range missiles so that strategic nuclear weapons would fly at it? Well, if the cheers, led by the guarantor, promise with an oath not to hit them, then it’s possible, here you, as a representative of the cheers camp, of course know better

            There is nothing to answer except nuclear weapons. Do we need it?

            That is, you don’t need to answer, but we citizens of the Russian Federation need to answer, we, like you, are not going to go over the hill if something happens

            The West can also simply organize a naval blockade - and this will end the tanker fleet and most of the trade.

            Trade with whom? 90% of Russian imports are goods from the People's Republic of China, which are transported without problems by Transib. Or are you talking about the fact that the oligarchy of the Russian Federation will be prohibited from bringing oil to Europe, but this will be such a blow... And of course, fresh Parmesan will not be brought to the Uratics, for you it will be a disaster
            1. -1
              April 27 2024 16: 56
              Of course, they will not hit either tactical nuclear weapons or strategic nuclear weapons, because they are afraid to go to heaven and do not want to. And if you seriously believe in the use of nuclear weapons in this conflict, then you belong to the Urya camp.

              Well, why do you think Russia has assembled a huge shadow fleet? To purchase imported goods, you need currency, and in order to have currency, you need to sell resources. The share of maritime transport in Russia's foreign trade is 69%. But you can continue to scoff and think that we are not dependent on imports and if anything we won’t only have Parmesan.
              1. +1
                April 27 2024 18: 38
                Of course, they will not hit either tactical nuclear weapons or strategic nuclear weapons, because they are afraid to go to heaven and do not want to. And if you seriously believe in the use of nuclear weapons in this conflict, then you belong to the Urya camp.

                Of course, as long as the Gorant doesn’t have its own people in Ukraine, they won’t attack, they won’t attack, and they won’t destroy Western weapons supplies

                Well, why do you think Russia has assembled a huge shadow fleet? To purchase imported goods, you need currency, and in order to have currency, you need to sell resources. The share of maritime transport in Russia's foreign trade is 69%. But you can continue to scoff and think that we are not dependent on imports and if anything we won’t only have Parmesan.

                Why, then why do the oligarchy and liberals send oil to the West and gasoline to Ukraine, for their own enrichment and nothing else

                PS And if the people of the Russian Federation want to win this conflict, then first they will have to tell their liberals and democrats, without this they will not see the victory as their own ears
  25. +4
    April 26 2024 10: 25
    Why is there no article by Ryabov “Little, late, useless”? I'm really looking forward to it.

    Nothing interesting about ATAM. Well, in addition to cruise missiles, ballistic missiles will arrive, there is little difference.

    There is a much more interesting point in the act of Congress. He obliges the self-propelled grandfather to explain to Congress what the United States ultimately wants and how it plans to achieve it. To be honest, there is little hope that Joe will tell something new and interesting, but suddenly.

    This directly determines where these missiles will fly. It’s one thing if the NVO remains within the new territories of the Russian Federation, but another thing if a decision is made to redraw the red lines to some other place. On the M-4 highway, for example.
  26. +4
    April 26 2024 10: 31
    We need to quickly draw even more red lines. Let the patriarch illuminate them to enhance the effect. And send more titanium, uranium, and other Russian resources to the Satanists, let them choke and everyone die. This is how we will defeat the adversary.
  27. -7
    April 26 2024 10: 33
    For the information of TsIPSO, who put minuses here: The President will not take them into account when making a decision.
    1. Qas
      +5
      April 26 2024 12: 10
      You are given minuses not by TsIPSO, but for what you have said. We are Russians, we have the right.
      1. -3
        April 27 2024 06: 55
        What kind of Russian are you? So, a resident of the right bank of the Dnieper...
  28. 0
    April 26 2024 10: 52
    Ukrobanderites will most likely launch massive attacks using ATACMS missiles interspersed with UAVs and other missiles on the eve of our great holiday, Victory Day on May 9th, these vile Nazi criminals are quite capable of this, they have nothing to lose, since they have nothing saint
  29. +1
    April 26 2024 10: 57
    It is important not only the number of missiles transferred, but also how many launchers can be deployed for an attack. PU will also limit the APU. If the number of missiles is insignificant, then the air defense will cope. When concentrating launchers in one of the directions, reconnaissance must try to uncover these actions.
    1. +3
      April 26 2024 12: 29
      Ukraine was given 39 Khimars and 25 M270s. There is photographic evidence of the destruction of 3 vehicles. Thus, strike capabilities are limited solely by the supply of missiles, launchers are in abundance
      1. -1
        April 26 2024 14: 08
        Do you only accept photographic evidence as evidence? What about indirect data, the number of MLRS uses per day? Judging by these data, the number of those destroyed is more than half.
        1. +2
          April 26 2024 14: 36
          For Khimars, everything comes down to production capabilities for producing missiles, see for yourself:
          at the end of 2021, the United States produced 50 thousand GMLRS guided missiles,
          Now production is 30 missiles per day, in 2025 it is planned to increase production to 40 missiles per day, i.e. even if America gives Ukraine all the missiles it produces (which I highly doubt), this will only be enough for 5 packages of Himars missiles per day or 2.5 packages of MLRS.
          The replacement for ATACMS, the PrSM missile, is still being produced in very small quantities - the US Army has ordered 110 missiles in 2024 and 190 missiles in 2025.

          PS Khimars is no longer an MLRS, but an operational-tactical missile system; they removed the MLRS unguided missiles from service in 2009, and now only uses guided weapons.
  30. +4
    April 26 2024 10: 59
    Maybe NATO reconnaissance UAVs will start falling over the Black Sea after all, how long can this be tolerated?
    1. +1
      April 27 2024 03: 50
      It is forbidden. Dear Partners will be upset...
    2. 0
      April 27 2024 23: 44
      One fell. After this, the misadventures of the Black Sea Fleet began.
  31. -3
    April 26 2024 11: 37
    Quote: Mitrich73
    "

    Hello. Everything you write is correct, the thickness is 5-6 cm, not along the entire length. I read on several specialized American sites (according to Topvor rules, I do not give a link) that precisely for the reason I indicated, the S 300 has a low effectiveness in defeating Atakms missiles. Time will tell who is right.
  32. +3
    April 26 2024 12: 37
    In Dzhankoy and Tarkhankut, air defense systems S 400 and S 300 were destroyed by these missiles. In Feodosia, a strike was also missed in Sevastopol. Unfortunately, the S 400 radar does not see a low-flying target, not even a high-speed one without maneuvering.
  33. +1
    April 26 2024 13: 13
    “We retreated in silence for a long time. The old men grumbled. Could it be that foreign commanders could tear their uniforms on Russian bayonets...” I mean, war from defense will not lead to good...
  34. +4
    April 26 2024 13: 47
    This type of missile will naturally be delivered in commercial quantities - some have already been used in Dzhankoy and very effectively. So on the May holidays we must expect a massive raid on the Crimean bridge and all airfields in the range of these missiles. And then F 16s, tomahawks and finally tiao will appear (which the Ukrainians themselves did) if anyone doubts it is in vain. Co-operation and constant whining about the negotiations of the supreme non-commander only spurs further quantitative and qualitative growth in arms supplies. But so much has already been said about the lack of will of the Kremlin that it is pointless to dwell on this topic...
    1. -4
      April 26 2024 14: 11
      The Crimean railway bridge is double-track; an armored air defense train with TORs and Pantsirs can be launched on one track, and Pantsirs can also be placed on the road bridge. One installation can be installed at every kilometer. soldier
  35. +4
    April 26 2024 14: 19
    They will definitely launch on May 9 or so. They are Nazis and this is their worst day of the year. As an answer, I would hit the bridges in Kyiv and Bankovaya. And through the historical center of Lviv.
    1. +1
      April 27 2024 02: 30
      They will definitely launch on May 9 or so. They are Nazis and this is their worst day of the year.

      May 9 in Ukraine is an official public holiday - Victory Day.
  36. +1
    April 26 2024 14: 20
    The May holidays will be hot in the literal sense, especially on May 7, the Ukrainians will try to hit hard on the presidential inauguration. Some of the air defense missiles will be shot down, but some of the missiles will also penetrate the bridge, the Crimea, the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol and other targets in other areas.
    1. 0
      April 26 2024 19: 46
      From military logic, this does not make sense, because everyone will be waiting for this provocation (strike), but from PR, and this is exactly what the leadership of Ukraine is doing, perhaps they will launch something or blow something up. But the Brigadier, in any case, will break the record of our respected Leonid Ilyich for longevity in power.
  37. +1
    April 26 2024 16: 14
    ..alas, but we will have to be in the role of a testing ground for American weapons, relying on the accuracy and skill of our air defense troops

    Weakness always provokes aggression. And the Kremlin's co-operation is our main weakness. Therefore, yes. "We'll have to be" a testing ground. And all questions - to the mirror..
  38. +3
    April 26 2024 17: 07
    Quote: Bully
    missiles were removed from Turkey and Italy

    From Turkey they were taken to Italy, erudite, Mlyn. And this was done to save Khrushchev’s face.
  39. 0
    April 26 2024 17: 10
    To launch missiles, the Americans did not come up with anything new, and simply adapted the wheeled HIMARS MLRS and the same MLRS, but on a tracked track, MLRS. HIMARS can carry two launch containers, and MLRS can carry one.

    And again, for the umpteenth time, Roman mixed everything up. Everything is exactly the opposite: the M142 carries one container, and the 270 carries two.
  40. -2
    April 26 2024 17: 13
    Another option is to destroy the bоmost of it while crossing the EU-Ukraine border. And it also seems that this very border will be blocked (by us or by Belarusians) so that nothing gets to them. And after blocking the border, all that remains is to fully understand the “Ukraine” project, so that once and for all
  41. -2
    April 26 2024 17: 23
    The bridge is a bridge, but it can ricochet into the city of Rzeszow and other surrounding areas.
  42. 0
    April 26 2024 18: 00
    The issue of a massive salvo is limited by the presence of Hymers. One launches 2 missiles. Ukraine seems to have received 30 pieces. How many were destroyed there. It is not known how many missiles can actually be launched at the same time. But no more than 50 missiles. I think our air defense will cope
  43. 0
    April 26 2024 18: 55
    The Tora missile will definitely not shoot down or change the trajectory of ATACMS 2000. Different “weight” categories. Another thing: “why are we afraid of an attack on the Crimean Bridge”? If this is carried out by the ATACMS complex. This is just one bridge that can be restored after defeat (God forbid that there will be people at the moment of defeat). But there will be a REASON to hit all 12 bridges across the Dnieper. ALL!!! What should have been done a long time ago. The Americans did this in Korea and Vietnam (the first thing they did was destroy bridges). What to expect? The soldiers are dying. Well, if you need a diplomatic pretext, “substitute” the Crimean Bridge for ATACMS. Although, it’s better to do without a reason.
    1. +2
      April 26 2024 20: 08
      And before that we didn’t have any reason to hit the bridges?
      1. +1
        April 26 2024 20: 31
        Was! When they blew up a truck on a bridge over passing fuel oil tanks. But they didn’t make a political decision... Or, I don’t know, they didn’t make it. For some reason they started bombing secondary transformers...
  44. +1
    April 26 2024 19: 19
    What can really be done? Opinion of the “sofa colonel”. First of all, cancel the parade in Moscow. Use the freed-up funds to strengthen and organize the defense of possible targets of attack. Despite the risk of bringing electronic warfare equipment closer to the borders. Already now intensify all types of reconnaissance. In the border areas Strengthen information coverage measures in case of possible shelling. Increase weekends for the May holidays.
  45. Rob
    +4
    April 26 2024 20: 36
    Quote: NightWolf1991
    In my opinion, there is only one way out:
    1. Deeply layered air defense line!
    2. All large objects must be protected by additional air defense systems! (I think it’s possible to raise air defense combat units for this)
    3. Strengthen human intelligence in order to determine locations for storage, storage, movement and maintenance of launchers and containers with missiles, as well as the destruction of large bridges, crossings, launch positions with complexes already prepared for launch, to deprive the enemy of maneuver and transfer capabilities as described above systems, as well as other branches of the military!


    What nonsense? The Black Sea Fleet has already been reset. 30% of the ships were destroyed and the rest went somewhere (Novorossiysk and so on). The A50 was shot down, and the plant where it serves them was damaged. Air defense in Crimea was also well reset. Even the first ATAKMS missiles flew for at least a week without problems before they shot down the first one. Although the latest attack on Dzhankoy shows that air defense does not work as previously shown in advertising. And F16 cruise missiles will most likely be launched at the Crimean Bridge. Perhaps this will be the debut of the F16 and most likely very productive.
    1. -2
      April 26 2024 21: 12
      The 300th, which was in Dzhankoy, is a very complex complex in terms of operation. The 300 has a very high number of failures. I'm writing about old modifications. Most likely it was used in front or behind the airfield as a natural model. But in the photos of explosions that were posted online, these are launchers, in general, of rarities 5P85-1. It’s trite - these missiles, if they were in containers, are not fighters.
  46. Rob
    +1
    April 26 2024 20: 37
    Quote: vik669
    The bridge is a bridge, but it can ricochet into the city of Rzeszow and other surrounding areas.

    Apart from the red line and snot at the UN, there will be nothing more.
  47. -3
    April 26 2024 20: 38
    A bridge is a bridge, not a conductor.
    It's just a technical design, not an artery - that's what the creators are like.
  48. Rob
    0
    April 26 2024 20: 39
    Quote: rruvim
    The Tora missile will definitely not shoot down or change the trajectory of ATACMS 2000. Different “weight” categories. Another thing: “why are we afraid of an attack on the Crimean Bridge”? If this is carried out by the ATACMS complex. This is just one bridge that can be restored after defeat (God forbid that there will be people at the moment of defeat). But there will be a REASON to hit all 12 bridges across the Dnieper. ALL!!! What should have been done a long time ago. The Americans did this in Korea and Vietnam (the first thing they did was destroy bridges). What to expect? The soldiers are dying. Well, if you need a diplomatic pretext, “substitute” the Crimean Bridge for ATACMS. Although, it’s better to do without a reason.

    You probably don’t know that a lot of ammunition and equipment passes through the Crimean bridge. There are almost no other ways there.
  49. 0
    April 27 2024 05: 25
    ... but the solution is not in them. Decisions are needed at the strategic level...

    Can the author explain what strategic level he is missing?
  50. -1
    April 27 2024 13: 09
    These Atakms will obviously not be launched by crested ones. and the goals have probably already been drawn up.
  51. -1
    April 27 2024 19: 15
    Quote from Twilight Elf
    well, all other air defense systems have approximately the same principle of operation)))

    No, not all. Patriot, for example, carries out kinetic interception.
  52. 0
    April 29 2024 10: 45
    Quote: NightWolf1991
    You are right, but such attacks could lead to the outbreak of World War III

    For some reason they don’t ask this question when they are at war with a nuclear power, without any fear of the answer
  53. +2
    April 29 2024 16: 51
    Undermining and stopping traffic on the Crimean Bridge will create a problem of supplying Crimea and the front, but the main problem of the Russian Federation will remain, the comprador power will remain, the alien elite will remain. The most terrible enemy of the Russians is within. The supply of Crimea and the front will be resolved quickly, warehouses and airfields will be removed from the 300 km zone, but this is again temporary. Next, NATO will begin to supply missiles with a range of 1000 km, 2000-5000 km, and wherever it goes, to Vladivostok. The Russian Federation does not have a goal of war in Ukraine, there are no legal documents on the Northern Military District in Ukraine. The media have turned the war in Ukraine into a computer game, where the combatant has several lives and can start all over again. In reality, there is death and destruction. To win, you need to have a legal basis as a basis.
  54. +1
    April 30 2024 06: 35
    It’s a shameful situation to be a torture point and a testing ground for American weapons. However, we are no stranger to this since 2014. After all, “we are our own bourgeois”. The main thing is that there are no guarantees that the Nazis will not be armed with nuclear, chemical, bacteriological weapons of mass destruction and that they will not use them.
  55. 0
    April 30 2024 22: 38
    Quote: KZAKVO32923
    Israel fucked up. It’s clear that the “chosen ones” can do anything, but still.

    Do not confuse the bloody Zionist regime and “we are not like that...”
    The Zionists killed in a short period of time more than 34500 Palestinian civilians, including more than 14 children.
    The world community turned a blind eye to this genocide.

    But if even one hair falls from Zelensky’s head, world Zionism will blame us for the Holocaust, the Black Hundred pogroms, and the sheets torn by our neighbor Peter.

    You must not give in to provocations!
  56. 0
    1 May 2024 17: 57
    Quote: docvad
    This is tantamount to a declaration of war. Are we ready for it?..

    Only a declaration of war is tantamount to a declaration of war. But everything else is not.
  57. 0
    2 May 2024 22: 19
    Rocket launches can be detected in space; satellites are needed. Radar posts must be created in units.
    The problem is that air defense has little time to repulse an attack. Atamaks have a range of rocket speeds from 700 to 1500 meters per second, when 1500 meters per second, no armor or torus will be able to shoot them down, we will simply lose them.
    More radar posts need to be deployed against the Atamaks. On the Rybar channel they say that they even need to install autonomous ones. Well, we need to modernize the tori and shells for new speeds.
  58. 0
    2 May 2024 22: 52
    The defender is always in a weak position.
    The main problem is the country’s incompetent, cowardly and thieving leadership, incapable of effective solutions