Helicopters against Ukrainian unmanned boats and kamikaze UAVs: a temporary solution with high risks

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Helicopters against Ukrainian unmanned boats and kamikaze UAVs: a temporary solution with high risks
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The fighting taking place in Ukraine as part of a special military operation (SVO) has presented the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces) with a number of problems that require solutions as soon as possible. In particular, today we will again talk about countering Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and unmanned boats (BEC), used as kamikazes by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) and the Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) of Ukraine.



Existing anti-aircraft missile systems (SAMs) turned out to be of limited suitability for solving the problems of countering enemy kamikaze UAVs, since the enemy, receiving information from Western reconnaissance assets, plots routes bypassing our air defense systems, using the terrain, natural and artificial hills.

Actually, the enemy has the same problems, only multiplied by a critical shortage of air defense systems and anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs) for them, as well as the qualitative and quantitative superiority of the Russian Armed Forces in air attack weapons. However, to be fair, the enemy uses all available means to hunt Russian kamikaze UAVs, including Maxim machine guns, searchlights and mobile phones located at different points in Ukraine with special software for detecting flying kamikaze UAVs by the sound of the propeller/engine.


Mobile anti-drone patrols of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Image of the Telegram channel “Military Informant”

Nevertheless, the measures taken do not provide the enemy with protection from Russian kamikaze UAVs; the problem is that long-range Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs periodically reach their targets. With the BEC-kamikaze, the situation is apparently even worse.

Simultaneously Yemen's Houthis attack civilian and military vessels in the Yemen Gulf and Red Sea using similar kamikaze UAVs, and to a limited extent, using BEC kamikazes. At the same time, judging by information disseminated by foreign resources, the naval forces of the United States and its allies use helicopters to destroy kamikaze UAVs and BEC kamikazes, and the effectiveness of using helicopters to solve these problems turned out to be quite high. Accordingly, the question of using Russian Armed Forces helicopters in a similar way is periodically raised - to counter Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze BECs.

This decision has the right to life, however, the use of helicopters to destroy kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze UAVs has not only advantages and disadvantages, but also carries certain risks.

Advantages


Why not use multirole fighters for this purpose?

Despite the fact that combat aircraft such as a fighter-bomber or multirole fighter are quite capable of fighting kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze BECs, their use for solving these problems is hardly advisable.

Firstly, patrolling will waste the precious resource of expensive high-tech combat vehicles, which can be used to solve other, much more important tasks.

Secondly, an hour of flight for a modern fighter is expensive, as are the guided weapons that a fighter can use against kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze BECs.

Thirdly, if you use unguided weapons, for example, a cannon, then there is a risk of losing the aircraft, both from a collision with a surface, buildings or structures when flying at low altitude, and from the debris of a downed kamikaze UAV, which the Ukrainian armed forces were able to do see from your own experience, having lost a MiG-29 fighter during an attack by a Russian UAV.

In this sense, the use of helicopters to destroy kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze UAVs looks like a much more reasonable solution. The cost of both the combat helicopter itself and its flight hour is several times lower than that of a fighter.


Cost of an hour of flight of various aviation funds from the US Air Force - however, some figures are questionable, for example, the cost of an hour of flight of an MQ-1B UAV seems to be overestimated, which is comparable to the cost of an hour of flight of an AH-64 combat helicopter, and the cost of an hour of flight of a B-1B supersonic bomber with variable wing geometry is less, than the much older subsonic B-52H

The helicopter's flight speed varies from zero (hovering mode) to 250–300 kilometers per hour or more, which allows you to choose the optimal speed in order to both catch up with and accompany kamikaze UAVs moving at a speed of about 150–200 kilometers per hour. The same applies to the BEC kamikaze, whose speed is even lower, up to a complete stop and a sharp change in direction of movement.

Disadvantages


The main disadvantage of most helicopters that can be used to hunt kamikaze UAVs and BEC kamikazes is the lack of an effective radar station (radar) available to air defense systems and fighters. Optical reconnaissance means alone will clearly not be enough to solve the problem of detecting kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze UAVs - with their help you can only carry out additional search, tracking and ensure the destruction of the target.

In general, technically, the Ka-52(M) and Mi-28NM combat helicopters have radars (apparently, not all Mi-28NMs), the question is how many of these machines can be allocated for hunting kamikaze UAVs and BEC kamikazes , taking into account their workload on the line of combat contact (LCC)?

In addition, the question is: what is the effectiveness of helicopter radars in terms of detecting targets such as those that are subtle in the radar wavelength range of kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze BECs?


The onboard equipment of the Mi-28NM and Ka-52(M) combat helicopters includes a radar

Thus, we can say with a high degree of confidence that combat helicopters will be effective in countering kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze UAVs, provided that they are given external target designation, for example, with A-50U long-range radar detection and control aircraft (AWACS) or Tu-214R reconnaissance aircraft. The ability for helicopters to independently search for kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze UAVs will depend on the availability and effectiveness of their own radar.

The problem is that if the Russian Armed Forces can still find helicopters for hunting kamikaze UAVs and BEC-kamikazes, then with AWACS aircraft, as well as Tu-214R reconnaissance aircraft, everything is much worse for us. It can be assumed that the effectiveness of helicopters of the United States and its allies operating against kamikaze UAVs and BEC kamikazes launched by the Yemeni Houthis is largely due to the provision of primary target designation to them from surface ships and AWACS aircraft concentrated in the region.

It is also necessary to understand that the use of helicopters to destroy kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze UAVs carries quite serious risks of losing these vehicles.

Risks


At first glance, neither kamikaze UAVs nor kamikaze BECs are currently capable of causing any damage to helicopters, unless the helicopter itself flies into the kamikaze UAV or its debris. Of course, non-combat losses due to equipment failures due to intensive operation or piloting errors cannot be ruled out, but there are other risks.

In particular, when hunting kamikaze UAVs in the range of Russian air defense systems, there may be cases of “friendly fire”. Also, when operating at low altitude above land, there is a possibility of helicopters colliding with buildings and structures, for example, with power lines.

In principle, the risks of “friendly fire” can be minimized by creating a dedicated zone - a strip within which only combat helicopters hunting kamikaze UAVs will operate, and air defense systems will either be completely absent or their firing sectors will be limited.

With BEC-kamikazes everything is somewhat more complicated - at present they are also not capable of causing damage to helicopters - even crashing into a BEC-kamikaze will be quite difficult, in fact, the only risk present is the possibility of “friendly fire”, which can be minimized or eliminated in the same way, as in the case of kamikaze UAVs - the creation of dedicated zones for the actions of helicopter hunters on BEC kamikazes.

However, the enemy is making significant efforts to improve this type of weapons, including equipping BEC-kamikazes with various weapon modules. There is unconfirmed information that Ukrainian specialists have already installed units of unguided aircraft missiles (UAR) on the BEC-kamikaze; it has been announced that a module with a small-caliber, rapid-fire automatic cannon will soon be integrated into the BEC-kamikaze.


Ukrainian BEC-kamikaze Sea Baby, according to the developers, it will have a range of up to 1 kilometers, in addition to an explosive charge, it will carry a turret with a small-caliber rapid-fire automatic cannon

There is no doubt that in the near future, guided weapons will also be integrated into Ukrainian BEC-kamikazes, for example, the Sguna-P anti-tank guided missile system (ATGM) or man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS). Given the fact that ATGMs are even installed on UAVs, there are no serious technical obstacles to installing them on the BEC kamikaze.

Where it leads?

Moreover, combat helicopters searching and destroying BEC-kamikazes can turn from a hunter into a target. If you can still try from MANPADS protect combat helicopters with onboard self-defense systems, for example, of the “Vitebsk” type, especially since many MANPADS missiles cannot be supplied to BEC-kamikazes, then there are no means of self-defense against ATGMs yet, except for high flight speed, as well as against high-speed automatic guns. And Vitebsk-type complexes provide far from 100% protection against MANPADS.

What are our alternatives?

Optimal solution


Previously in materials “Waiting for the Helios-RLD UAV: ​​for protection against low-flying air attack weapons” и “UAV “Sirius-Air Defense”: hunter of air attack weapons” The author considered promising elements of our country's deep-in-depth air defense, capable of highly effectively detecting and intercepting kamikaze UAVs in a designated area. The specified combination of UAV-AWACS and UAV-interceptor is capable of effectively fighting against BEC-kamikazes.


UAV "Helios-RLD"

The problem is that both the Helios-RLD UAV and the Sirius UAV are currently at the development stage, the exact timing of their entry into service is unknown, but this is unlikely to happen earlier than in a few years, while the detection and the destruction of kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze BECs must be ensured now.

The only mid-size UAV currently mass-produced in Russia is the Orion UAV. Presumably, the Orion UAV can also be quite effective as a hunter of kamikaze UAVs and BEC kamikazes, provided that primary target designation is given to it. Its disadvantages include a small payload, in addition, data on flight speed varies - from 120 to 180 kilometers per hour; at the lower limit, interception of a kamikaze UAV by Orion will be possible only on a collision course.


UAV "Orion". Image of the Kronstadt group

There are also helicopter-type UAVs in Russia, hybrid UAVs are being developed that are capable of performing vertical takeoff and then switching to airplane mode. It is possible that the optimal solution will be found somewhere in this direction, but this is a matter for future years.

Conclusions


Combat helicopters can be used to search and destroy kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze UAVs, taking into account a number of limitations, current and future risks.

From the point of view of detecting kamikaze UAVs and BEC kamikazes, the presence of target detection and tracking radars on helicopters is important, in terms of hunting BEC kamikazes, for protection against MANPADS, it is advisable to have onboard self-defense systems.

The use of combat helicopters to search and destroy BEC kamikazes with modules with small-caliber rapid-fire automatic guns and/or ATGMs integrated into their design can become too risky and lead to unjustified losses. It is possible that from now on it is better to use faster aircraft, for example, Su-25SM attack aircraft, to search and destroy BEC kamikazes. To increase the efficiency of their operation, they can be equipped with radar and/or electronic reconnaissance (RTR) equipment in a container design.


Su-25SM attack aircraft. Image: Vladimir Yazynin, Evgeny Volkov and Alexander Martynov (russianplanes.net)

However, the use of both combat helicopters and attack aircraft to search and destroy kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze BECs is a temporary measure, both from the point of view of the effectiveness and risk of losses of these combat vehicles, and from the point of view of the cost of operation.

Presumably, the most optimal option would be to use the Sirius UAV and the Helios-RLD UAV to solve these problems, while the Helios-RLD UAV should be used for the initial detection of kamikaze and BEC kamikaze UAVs, with subsequent issuance of target designation on them UAV "Sirius".

Until the development of the Sirius UAV and the Helios-RLD UAV is completed and mass production has begun, the serially produced Orion UAV can become an effective means for hunting BEC kamikazes. However, not having their own radar, they must receive primary target designation from AWACS aircraft or reconnaissance aircraft such as Tu-204R, but, as we said above, we apparently have serious problems with these aircraft, so the problem of primary detection BEC kamikaze and low-flying kamikaze UAVs remain open for now.

It is important not to miss the moment when the enemy’s BEC kamikazes begin to be equipped with weapons that can be used against our helicopters in order to avoid unjustified losses of equipment and personnel.
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  1. -5
    April 25 2024 05: 26
    What are the risks here?
    The main task is to detect BEC. And a helicopter with missiles will always have time to fly...
    Where are our all-seeing “Orions” and other “Sirius-Helios”?
    If you tailor your military-industrial complex to a specific task, you can achieve a lot.
    1. +3
      April 25 2024 08: 38
      the risk is very simple. loss of crew. and those few sides that remained. Or do you naively believe that it’s so easy to identify those devices at sea? in 24 to 7 mode, you propose to constantly hang at one point or here and there so during this time the air defense radar is cut off so that God forbid......? and how to detect it?) visually?)) well, at least 4 people on the sides portholes))) it’s already the 31st moment, supposedly “patrolling” in the Crimea.... without taking off anywhere, and without shooting down anything... and just then... another “air raid alert”, so instead of working on objects in the sky ...it’s quicker to land on the runway from the sky...otherwise you never know...again...a “technical malfunction” will happen
      1. -4
        April 25 2024 08: 50
        Quote from Twilight Elf
        Or do you naively believe that it’s so easy to identify those devices at sea? 24/7

        I assume that the technical capabilities of tracking the appearance of BEC 24/7 are quite simple for specialists. And the methods of destruction have been worked out...
        1. +4
          April 25 2024 09: 49
          The question raised by the author is very important and must be resolved urgently. And as the author correctly noted, the main issue of protection against UAVs and UAVs is their detection, but how to shoot down targets is a different question, and we are better with this than with detection. To detect them, you need to have antennas that cover each other’s range along the entire line of the threatened direction; this distance significantly reduces the radio horizon and elevation changes on the ground. Therefore, the antenna must be raised as high as possible, and the higher we raise the antenna, the further it will detect targets and the fewer antennas will be needed to completely cover the threatened direction. To ensure communication between our units and to increase the range of controlled actions of UAVs, their antennas also need to be raised. What to do?

          The best solution would be to create a mass-produced AWACS aircraft, and this must, of course, be started now, but this is a question for years. First of all, it is necessary to maximally increase the pace of modernization of Soviet A-50s to the level of the A-50U, and even faster it is necessary to create a communication and data exchange system similar to NATO in order to eliminate situations where they themselves shot down two A-50Us.
          For the future, instead of the A-100 and using its developments and developments on the A-50U, it is necessary to begin the development of an AWACS aircraft based on the Tu-204/214 currently in storage and put into production, as well as to revive the Soviet Yak-44 AWACS aircraft, at the same time trying to order from The Chinese are their equivalent of Hokkai.

          A faster solution could be to create, on existing platforms of the same Orion UAV, the most important UAVs for various purposes, including a repeater UAV and, most importantly, an RER UAV with the installation of a small-sized radar capable of detecting air, surface and ground targets instead of reconnaissance and strike equipment.
          In the longer term, it is necessary to begin work on a heavy reconnaissance UAV with an engine from the Yak-130, which will cover part of the needs for AWACS aircraft.
        2. +4
          April 25 2024 11: 37
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I assume that the technical capabilities of tracking the appearance of BEC 24/7 are quite simple for specialists. And the methods of destruction have been worked out...

          Yeah... in theory. There is everything there - a powerful air defense system, a base security system with several detection lines, patrolling UAVs / helicopters with radar and OEC, stationary attack aircraft, and patrol boats / attack UAVs for hitting detected targets.
          But in practice we have one sentinel dove of peace patrolman or MPK times King Pea dear Mikhail Sergeevich, standing on his foot. And the BEC group working at night. Which are detected at best from a couple of hundred meters. After which they try to hit either with the help of a ZAK controlled by a sighting column (with an angular sight from the 30s), or even with rifle fire.
      2. -2
        April 25 2024 08: 53
        It is easier to use turntables and Su 25 for pitching strikes, there are no risks and they seem to deliver strikes. And the UAV will shoot down their target.
    2. +2
      April 25 2024 10: 04
      Firstly, as a hunter against drones you need to use the Yak130, and there is no need to fantasize! And against hydrodrones you need to use small high-speed drones capable of carrying up to 7 kilograms of explosives, and capable of attacking targets both using radio control and using active systems homing based on night vision devices on a retractable turret.
      1. +1
        April 25 2024 11: 39
        Quote: Thrifty
        Firstly, as a hunter against drones you need to use

        And there are some developments that make it possible to determine the identity of a ship by the noise of the propellers. A motor boat can be heard several kilometers away. What prevents you from determining the type of BEC?
      2. 0
        April 25 2024 11: 50
        They already wrote here that the problems are not with the destruction of drones, but with their detection.
      3. 0
        April 26 2024 00: 04
        It would be cheaper to use the YAK-52 piston textbook and the KA-26 helicopter with suspended weapons containers. Both belong to the light class, compact, economical two-seaters. The KA-26 is also modular - it can carry an additional cabin mounted on the rear beams. Speed ​​for 300 km - they can easily catch up with any BEC and can chase with a UAV.
  2. +1
    April 25 2024 05: 28
    In this sense, the use of helicopters to destroy kamikaze UAVs and kamikaze UAVs looks like a much more reasonable solution.

    Well, yes, there are not so many of them either, they also waste resources, they are also expensive, they can also be shot down and will try.
    But "smarter".
    The most reasonable thing is to upgrade some decommissioned 23-2 (or 7.62\12.7\14.5mm) (radar, thermal imager, self-aiming) for drone strikes.
    Or rivet the shells and install them. They simply must have a regime where they cut everything without human intervention.
    1. AAK
      +5
      April 25 2024 08: 38
      Helicopters in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces (as well as in other countries), among other things listed in the article, have much lower fuel efficiency (expressed in flight range per unit of fuel) than jet aircraft... Jet aircraft (or rather, their cost flight hour) are extremely expensive and their speed is somewhat higher than necessary, AWACS UAVs and UAVs that hunt for other UAVs are still that “chicken in the nest”, when the designers and industrialists give birth - no one knows... At the same time, in the article says absolutely nothing about another version of the fighter against UAVs - this is an ordinary light piston aircraft (unless we have drawings of the same super-tucano, puma or American piper or beachcraft, some of whose models, in particular options for the coast guard or border rangers even have ventral radars), then you can rework an ordinary aerobatics or a light aircraft like the same "Baikal", finding pilots for such aircraft is not at all a problem, and making a workable version with any Russian portable radar, if desired, can be done in less than this project won’t require a lot of money in a year, the speed is 350-400 km/h, the armament is 2-4 machine guns or 1 multi-barrel, you don’t even need missiles... and this whole system will be much cheaper than the same drones
  3. +4
    April 25 2024 06: 11
    for Search and destroying BEC kamikazes, it is better to use faster aircraft, for example, Su-25SM attack aircraft

    If such a device is constantly in the sky in search of Back-boats, then the country will remain without pants only on the fuel they consume...
  4. +4
    April 25 2024 07: 06
    Overall, it’s time to start thinking about implementing the “drones versus drones” concept. To knock out BECs, use analogues of “Lancets” launched from “Rooks” or from MALE drones. Against long-range UAVs - similar UAVs with light RVVs, constantly ready to take off from rear airfields (or generally on duty in the air). Against front-line copters - fighter copters with various means of destruction (ram, net, shotgun...) and, possibly, with AI elements to independently aim at a target identified as an "enemy copter".

    And the most important thing - mastery of the situation. What comes through between the lines when discussing any similar topic. AWACS/AWACS aircraft have already become expensive analogues of battleships. There are few of them, they cannot plug all the holes, they take a long time to build, and the loss of each one is very sensitive. It is better to have 1000 Helios-RLD type drones instead of 1 A-100 Premier type aircraft. It's time to provide not just radar detection or watch, continuous continuous radar "illumination" of the theater. So as not to miss anything. To own the situation. This requires thousands of mobile emitters and tens of thousands of receivers. This is the next stage in the evolution of the battlefield.
  5. +4
    April 25 2024 07: 16
    In my opinion, the problem with BEC needs to be looked at more broadly; a helicopter or plane can cover the ship when parked in a roadstead, at a base, or in some dangerous area during transit, but it is not possible in principle to provide constant security, so all the proposed options are half measures , attempts to somehow solve the problem.
    It is necessary to create a system that will provide round-the-clock security to the ship, anywhere.
    Now BECs attack fairly large vessels and ships, but over time there will be many BECs (similar to the use of UAVs), and then it will be necessary to protect the entire maritime and river infrastructure, right down to port tugs and berths.
    IMHO, only UAVs will save you here; they can be used from any ship, not just from an aircraft carrier, it’s quite cheap, and should be effective, take off, escort, detect, hit. The only question is in the control system, after all, several UAVs must constantly be in the air and for this it is not rational to keep several operators on board, this is complete freedom for AI.
  6. 0
    April 25 2024 07: 51
    We need a cheap plywood piston aircraft with a rear engine, a simple radar and guns, and a normal sound reconnaissance system on the ground.
    1. 0
      April 25 2024 12: 24
      Why do you need an engine in the back and why one engine? If the engine is a piston, then installing two engines is not a problem. Especially if the plane is manned, then two engines are a necessity.
      What about a sound reconnaissance system on land or at sea?
  7. +4
    April 25 2024 08: 34
    do we have those...helicopters? and most importantly, the pilots?) That’s the whole answer, and of course the victory is all ours, let’s throw our hats... let’s shoot at the sparrows with guns
  8. Owl
    +1
    April 25 2024 09: 02
    The main thing in the fight against BECs and UAVs is detection at a distance sufficient to take measures to hit the target. As an option - unmanned tethered balloons with thermal imaging, television, radar and acoustic equipment, placed at the entrance to fleet bases and on ships, along the BEC deployment routes. They discovered it, transmitted it, and the duty unit of the dryers took off and worked.
    1. +3
      April 25 2024 09: 22
      BEC, due to their small size, have low seaworthiness, so they are used in low seas, this makes them easier to detect, and then on a regular boat or motor boat with a crew of 2-3 people you can catch up with the BEC and fire at it from a safe distance of 100-150 from for example RPK
      By the way, the BEC screw (due to its small size) makes good noise and unmasks it
      1. +1
        April 25 2024 12: 28
        And, we begin, again, a discussion on the range of problems of detecting enemy BECs. Acoustic buoys are not suitable, or only suitable if there is something to install and assemble them with. This means we need our own BECs with detection systems. They also need to be launched and then taken on board.
        1. 0
          April 25 2024 13: 45
          The most reliable means of detecting surface and semi-submersible targets is hydroacoustics. Yes, it’s expensive, but, organized by analogy with an anti-submarine line on the border, it will allow you to obtain information about the type and number of targets. This will provide sufficient time to organize the search and destruction of targets.
          1. 0
            April 25 2024 13: 53
            So it is so, so it is of course. But there was criticism of the Project 22160 patrol ships, not only that there are not enough weapons, there is even a crane for launching boats of an unsuccessful design. And how many unmanned reconnaissance boats can it accommodate?
            That is, not only do we need our own reconnaissance BECs, we also need ships capable of carrying at least 6-10 boats.
  9. +2
    April 25 2024 09: 35
    It’s high time to fight not the consequences but the root cause.
    I said before and now I affirm that the best tactic is a scorched earth tactic.
    It is necessary to destroy on the ground everything that is related to the production and launch of the BEC, even on the ground.
    If there is a launch from a ship, destroy the ship.
    There are many laudatory articles about Russian electronic warfare.
    But for some reason we haven’t heard a single mention of the impact on NATO “litaks” that provide target designation to the Ukrainian military.
    NATO is openly fighting against Russia, and Russian top officials are still trying to communicate with them with white gloves.
  10. +1
    April 25 2024 12: 35
    There were also reports that mass production of the Termit helicopter drone was being launched.
    It may well be adapted for the purpose of destroying enemy BEC at sea.
    https://topwar.ru/231991-termity-idut-na-front.html?ysclid=lvf1ojnaeb209921362
  11. 0
    April 25 2024 12: 46
    What happened? Did I miss something? laughing
    The author and commentators SUDDENLY stopped welding anti-submarine nets to the sides of ships, installing 100500 machine guns on board, and became concerned detection and destruction BEC on distant approaches. We literally saw the light laughing. It doesn’t take long to understand that this requires a SYSTEM, starting with OVR, continuing into control of the near sea zone and further into the far sea zone. Those. in general, this is precisely the TASK of the fleet in the theater of operations (with which the Black Sea Fleet had obvious problems).
    It looks like things have really moved forward (God willing), as evidenced by the lack of news about successful BEC attacks and:
    However, the enemy is making significant efforts to improve this type of weapon... ...it has been announced that a module with a small-caliber, rapid-fire automatic cannon will soon be integrated into the BEC-kamikaze.

    Not everything is looking good for the enemy; we have to worry about breaking through the far line of defense. After all, they weren’t going to fire at ships from the MZA.
    1. 0
      April 25 2024 13: 27
      You misinterpreted the situation. This is a feedback system. As soon as the necessary initial, most primitive measures were taken to install machine guns and train personnel, as well as organizational measures, the attacks stopped. The enemy, having intelligence data, does not attack, and is preparing either a change of tactics or new attacking drones.
      1. 0
        April 25 2024 14: 28
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        As soon as the necessary primary, most primitive measures were taken to install machine guns and train personnel, as well as organizational measures, the attacks stopped

        Apparently they began to push AP onto the BEC to destroy the crews of launcher shipslaughing?
        You cannot see the forest behind the trees.
  12. 0
    April 25 2024 15: 43
    From the point of view of detecting kamikaze UAVs and BEC kamikazes, the presence of target detection and tracking radars on helicopters is important, in terms of hunting BEC kamikazes, for protection against MANPADS, it is advisable to have onboard self-defense systems.


    Today it is already obvious that the fight against UAVs and UAVs can only be effectively carried out in a combination of air defense and aviation. Air defense is not able to block all possible routes. Helicopters, as the most suitable technology for intercepting UAVs, or UAVs, are not effective without high-quality radar and means of detecting and targeting the target. Apparently this is a long-standing problem that is awaiting a solution.
  13. 0
    April 25 2024 20: 18
    And as always, we seem to have arms and legs, but there weren’t enough keen eyes, and not even two years after the start of the SVO. All the available systems, the same airplanes, helicopters, MLRS, etc. without external target designation they are only partially effective. But for some reason we don’t have a sufficient number of A-50s, radio reconnaissance satellites, suspended reconnaissance containers for aircraft, or at least systems of balloons with radar attached to service vehicles along the borders of the Russian Federation. Helios-RLD, as we saw at exhibitions, we see there too .For two years we have not been able to solve this, I’m not afraid to say, the main problem of our armed forces. But how many super-complex and super-expensive, but disposable Vessel Poseidons, Vanguards, Petrels, Peresvets, as well as T-10s, Boomerangs, Derivations, tested for 14 years , Uranium and dozens of the same ceremonial dance weapons (although there are some really effective ones, but these are “hands”, they do not make us more sighted, alas) Sometimes it seems to me that the last name of the deputy minister for armaments is not Krivoruchko (what is the last name !) or Minister Manturov, where would we be without him, and excuse me... Ivanov (a bitter, over-the-top joke), if not Budanov at all...
  14. 0
    April 25 2024 22: 53
    Forgot about Gunships. It could be a Turpoprop with side armament and optics and radar. You fly, look sideways, find it and circle around - shoot. 2 pcs 30mm-6 barrels or 2 pcs 57mm.
  15. 0
    April 26 2024 08: 22
    The future battlefield belongs to unmanned and unmanned systems. Massive and therefore relatively cheap. The Soviet Union would have riveted them in tens or hundreds of thousands of pieces. Russia also has the same possibilities