Assault in Berdychi: ground robotic platforms enter the battle

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Assault in Berdychi: ground robotic platforms enter the battle
Image t.me/boris_rozhin. Still from the movie "Terminator"


Assault in Berdychi


In Berdychi, which is now being liberated by Russian troops, a promising Russian ground robotic platform was tested. The ground-based robotic tracked platforms, armed with AGS-17 automatic grenade launchers, deployed during the operation, moved forward to suppress enemy positions and fired several hundred 30 mm caliber grenades at their positions.



It is stated that ground drones showed good results, surviving where losses among personnel (people) would have been almost inevitable. There are even parallels between the first attack tanks during the First World War (WWII). In the future, the range of ground robotic platforms is planned to be significantly expanded, ensuring that they are equipped with other types of combat and auxiliary modules.


Ground robotic platforms armed with AGS-17 grenade launchers, used during the assault in Berdychi. Image t.me/boris_rozhin

The project to create ground-based robotic platforms involved in the assault in Berdychi is being implemented with the support of Boris Rozhin (https://t.me/boris_rozhin) and Chingis Dambiev (https://t.me/ChDambiev).

Today we’ll talk in more detail about the prospects for ground-based robotic platforms on the battlefield.

Born to crawl


After several years of SVO, few people have any doubts that the robotization of the battlefield is real and inevitable. It is characteristic that ground-based robotic platforms have long been considered as one of the main and important areas of battlefield robotization - the first remote-controlled wedges appeared during the Second World War (WWII), if not earlier.

In reality, everything turned out differently - the first in the armed forces (AF) of the leading countries of the world were unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), first in the reconnaissance version, and then in the reconnaissance-strike version. In addition, UAVs for various purposes immediately began to be used during combat operations, while ground-based robotic combat vehicles almost never left the training grounds.


FPV drone attack on a ground robotic platform participating in the assault in Berdychi - not a single person was injured. Image: Telegram channel “Two Majors”

However, in one niche, ground-based robotic systems have proven themselves - as engineering machines for working with explosive objects, mainly as part of counter-terrorism tasks.

Why did it happen?

Most likely, as always, there are several reasons. Firstly, at the initial stage, the United States and Israel made a very large contribution to the development of unmanned systems, and these countries have always relied primarily on the power of their air forces (Air Force). It is not surprising that promising solutions were tested primarily in this branch of the armed forces.

Secondly, it can be assumed that the greater complexity of controlling ground combat vehicles played an important role. Yes, it would seem that many people can drive a car, but few pilot airplanes and helicopters; nevertheless, it is much easier to automate the control of aircraft during the cruising phase of a flight than to automate the movement of ground vehicles - how long ago did the autopilot appear in aviation and how hard is it for the autopilot to make its way on the ground? This is compounded by communication problems - the radio communication range on the ground is greatly influenced by the terrain, natural and artificial hills, under these conditions it is easy to “lose” a robotic complex simply because it drove to some point where communication with the operator was simply lost.


The MQ-1 Predator UAV in many ways became the prototype of modern medium-altitude MALE class UAVs. Image by Wikimedia Commons

And finally, thirdly, there is the issue of cost. On the one hand, aviation technology has always been, is and will be more expensive than ground vehicles, so it is logical that, first of all, they tried to supplement manned airplanes and helicopters with unmanned solutions. On the other hand, a UAV located at a high altitude can only be shot down by an anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM), which is often comparable in cost to the UAV itself, or even has a significantly higher cost, as in the case of the Russian kamikaze UAV "Geran-2" ( 60 thousand US dollars) and missiles for the American Patriot anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) (5 million US dollars), while the ground robotic complex in any case will be exposed to a wide range of threats, including “cheap” weapons such as heavy machine guns, hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers, mine-explosive barriers, and now FPV drones and much more, that is, there is a high chance that a ground-based robotic complex will bring “for the same money” much less benefit than a UAV.

Nevertheless, the development of ground-based robotic systems has been going on for a long time; sooner or later they were supposed to appear on the battlefields, and, judging by the assault in Berdychi, their time has come.

How will ground robotic platforms evolve?

In the material Wrong turn: increasing complexity and cost of UAVs as a dead-end path for the development of this type of weapons We said that recently there has been a tendency for a significant increase in the cost of UAVs - in some cases it is approaching the cost of manned combat aircraft, while in terms of characteristics and capabilities such UAVs still do not catch up with manned aircraft.

The situation with ground robotic platforms is similar - if you create a robotic complex comparable in cost to a tank, but inferior to it in characteristics and capabilities, then it will not be in demand. It can be assumed that ground robotic platforms will have to go through the same evolution as UAVs, according to the principle “from simple to complex”, starting from simple and inexpensive solutions, with a search for potential niches and areas where the use of ground robotic platforms will be effective and justified.


Textron M5 Ripsaw Robot Tank

Let us take a closer look at the possible options for promising ground robotic platforms.

Variety of species


The most common UAVs on the battlefield are kamikaze UAVs. Does a ground-based kamikaze robot have a right to exist?

Yes, why not, but its scope of application will be narrower than that of numerous FPV drones and their “bigger” brothers such as the kamikaze UAV “Geran-2”. At least ground Robots-kamikaze will be more difficult to manufacture, at least initially. Since ground-based robotic systems have not become as widespread as UAVs, accordingly, everything for them needs to be developed from scratch, selected and purchased the necessary components.

It can be assumed that the advantage of ground-based kamikaze robots will be the mass of charge that the kamikaze robot can deliver to the target. If for a kamikaze UAV the mass of the warhead is measured in kilograms - tens of kilograms (for “older” models), then a ground platform can transport from fifty to several hundred kilograms.

A simple chassis - four car wheels, possibly used with a roughly welded tread, a pair of electric drives, a video camera, a battery, communications and controls from FPV drones, possibly power and control by wire. The tasks to be solved are the destruction of enemy strongholds, the organization of passages in the walls of buildings and structures. It is possible that the power of the warhead of some ground-based kamikaze robots will even make it possible to “fold” buildings or their individual parts.

The next possible option is a mobile mine, when a kamikaze robot is located on the route of advance of enemy equipment or manpower, and is detonated when they approach. Accordingly, in the first case it can be a directed charge capable of penetrating the side of a tank or other armored vehicle, and in the second case it can be a shrapnel charge with ready-made destructive elements, for example, something like MON series mines. Depending on the capabilities and imagination of the manufacturer, an air blast can be implemented in anti-personnel ammunition to obtain the maximum affected area; for example, such ammunition can be made on the basis of the OZM-72 mine. By the way, Ukraine is already developing the Gnome Kamikaze project, a ground-based robotic platform capable of carrying an anti-tank or anti-personnel mine.


Ukrainian ground robot kamikaze – Gnome Kamikaze

It is possible that it does not make sense to blow up a kamikaze robot entirely; in this case, it can serve as a delivery/installer of mines, both anti-tank and anti-personnel. This could be a simple drop from a platform or a better installation using some special devices, masking the installed mines. Again, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are already using UAVs to drop mines.

Of course, there is no escape from the installation of various weapons on ground robotic platforms - these can be various types of small arms weapons, for example, machine guns or automatic mounted grenade launchers, as was implemented in the ground robotic platforms involved in Berdychi.

Also, weapons such as hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers (RPGs) or even helicopter units for launching 80 mm unguided aircraft missiles (UAR) can be installed on ground-based robotic platforms. According to some reports, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are already trying to install NAR units on unmanned kamikaze boats (BEC) - another promising direction that has already proven its right to life, unfortunately, in our sad experience.

The next level is the installation of guided weapons, for example, anti-tank missile systems (ATGM). Soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces were able to install a fairly “ancient” ATGM “Fagot” even on a UAV, so there won’t be any particular problems with the ground platform. A combination of an ATGM and a ground mobile robotic platform will significantly increase the survivability of crews, even without the use of expensive “fire and forget” solutions.


The Russian combat multifunctional robotic complex Uran-9 was demonstrated back in 2019. Image by Wikimedia Commons / Vitaly V. Kuzmin

Ground-based robotic platforms can also accommodate weapons designed to attack air targets. In principle, machine guns and ATGMs, which were mentioned earlier, can act as such, but, for example, to defeat FPV drones they can be placed on ground robotic platforms remote-controlled turrets with smooth-bore weapons.

Or it could be electronic warfare (EW) means. The advantage of placing electronic warfare equipment on ground-based robotic platforms is the presence of a power source on them; in addition, if the enemy locates the electronic warfare equipment, the strike will not lead to the loss of soldiers or equipment, but only the platform itself.

And, finally, ground robotic platforms themselves can act as a carrier of FPV drones and a repeater for controlling them. In this way, it is possible not only to increase the operating range of FPV drones, but also to minimize the risks for their operators, who are being hunted by the enemy.

Ground-based robotic platforms can not only kill, they can also be used to clear terrain, ensure the delivery of ammunition and other cargo to the front line, as well as evacuate the wounded to the rear for medical care and solve many other problems.

Conclusions


Ground robotic platforms are still only at the very beginning of their journey on the battlefield.

Over time, the range of ground robotic platforms and the number of tasks they solve on the battlefield will only increase, especially given the intensity of hostilities in the Northwestern Military District zone in Ukraine.
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  1. +11
    April 24 2024 05: 29
    Where is the world heading...robots are fighting, not humans.
    A natural process... training a soldier from birth in the womb to participation in the combat mission costs much more than creating a combat robot... which can be produced without restrictions as needed.
    This is happening in advanced technological countries.
    1. -4
      April 24 2024 06: 20
      It's cheaper to hire a zouave. 300 thousand Vietnamese, Koreans, Zulus.
      Dust of Deserts against AI. We get the Milky Way on the Dnieper.
      1. 0
        April 25 2024 20: 35
        Quote: antivirus
        It's cheaper to hire a zouave. 300 thousand Vietnamese, Koreans, Zulus.

        A worker from the DPRK cost a Russian employer about $2000 a month before Putin imposed sanctions against the DPRK in 2019. A contract soldier serving in the military action zone of the Northern Military District receives a commensurate amount.
        1. 0
          April 29 2024 17: 06
          Quote: gsev
          A worker from the DPRK cost a Russian employer about $2000 a month before Putin imposed sanctions against the DPRK in 2019

          Seriously? I thought they worked for food
      2. 0
        April 29 2024 11: 25
        I have always wondered how you personally will be able to convince someone from Vietnam, hire, bring and arm at least 1000 mercenaries? And then how to manage them? Unfulfilled fantasies of dreamers, in which other people supposedly solve all their problems.
        1. 0
          April 29 2024 17: 21
          Quote: cast iron
          I have always wondered how you personally will be able to convince someone from Vietnam, hire, bring and arm at least 1000 mercenaries?

          On Shoigu’s terms, I think that it will not be possible to hire anyone not only from Vietnam but also from Papua New Guinea (it seems to me that the population of this country is the poorest in the world). I simply noted that a North Korean builder was several times more expensive than a builder from Central Asia. Moreover, if there are many foreigners interested in the position of a janitor or unskilled worker in Russia, then there are practically none for the position of a turner or milling operator, and neither Gerasimov, nor Putin, nor Shoigu, nor Mishustin are even trying to hire an aircraft designer from Afghanistan or Tajikistan. Starting next year, doctors will begin fleeing Russia. Vietnamese people trade in Russia at markets and work in cafes. But for about 10 years now, many more Vietnamese have been leaving for Russia than coming to Russia.
    2. +10
      April 24 2024 09: 02
      Another stupidity at its finest! In modern warfare, combat operations are conducted remotely and in real time, while contact combat is not the main type of combat. Contact combat is a non-calculated type of combat. This opportunity is provided to the advanced army by modern technical reconnaissance equipment. But we have huge problems with this, which they are trying to hide from you with all sorts of stupidity. In order to use robots instead of humans in war, the level of development of intelligence and communications means must be even higher. Robots do not fight in human battle formations. SVO is an example of chaos and the killing of soldiers in modern times. Just give the example of kamikaze drones on the battlefield. If there is no battlefield, then there are no kamikaze drones. They are actively used in close contact combat, which must be avoided. The architects and designers of our modern army are decades behind and can only observe how soldiers and officers fight on the front line, and then draw conclusions. What did you see new in the Northern Military District that was not known 25 years ago?
      And now the results of contact battles and frontal assaults on cities and towns are even scary to voice...
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      2. +7
        April 24 2024 09: 28
        Quote: Vitov
        In modern warfare, combat operations are conducted remotely and in real time, while contact combat is not the main type of combat. Contact combat is a non-calculated type of combat. This opportunity is provided to the advanced army by modern technical reconnaissance equipment.

        Have you seen enough from the Americans in the wars with the Papuans? Well, cool, of course, yeah.
        But something tells me that with a database of two armies, equal in technological equipment, there is no way to do without human presence on the battlefield. Somehow, the same Jews are completely trampling the gas sector with their feet, and they feel the RPG shots on themselves to the fullest, even though they are fighting against the slipper barmalei, and have complete air supremacy.
        1. -13
          April 24 2024 09: 35
          What kind of military education do you have or just? What is the average score?.. Do you remember?
          1. +5
            April 24 2024 10: 04
            Quote: Vitov
            What kind of military education do you have or just? What is the average score?.. Do you remember?
            Yeah, look up! Attention! Around! Step by step!!!
            What kind of military education does Shoiga have? laughing All Generals are preparing for the last war, this is of course a fact. But this does not mean at all that you need to binge watch Star Wars and Terminators.
            Well, as I understand it, you have a military education, with a high score. So, name me at least one high-intensity conflict without the participation of drugs on the battlefield? Do not offer Americans in Iraq, Afghanistan and NATO in Yugoslavia)))
            1. +3
              April 24 2024 12: 51
              All Generals are preparing for the last war
              - I’ll tell you more, any person lives based on PAST experience, mainly his own, since there is no other experience. There are dreams and plans that life often breaks to smithereens. And this very phrase about generals also appeared, as they say, “in hindsight,” after analyzing the actions and gaining new experience.
              1. +5
                April 24 2024 12: 56
                Quote from shikin
                I’ll tell you more, any person lives based on PAST experience, mainly his own, since there is no other experience.

                Yes, but the essence of learning is precisely STUDYING other people's experience and research. Acquiring skills is, yes, only through experience. So, on a number of issues, for example, the lack of UMPC and sufficient quantity and quality of UAVs at the beginning of the Northern Military District, I have a suspicion that our senior military-political leadership is not trained in principle.
                1. -1
                  April 24 2024 13: 05
                  I think if it weren’t trainable in principle, then there wouldn’t be any drones now. Still, the situation at LBS has changed a lot in two years, and in the leadership too. Before the SVO there were many developments from the military-industrial complex, but peacetime and military acceptance greatly slow down and increase the cost of products. Now a lot has been simplified in this regard, perhaps to the detriment of quality, but what is more important is production speed and quantity. UMPC at the beginning of use and now is a big difference.
                  1. +2
                    April 24 2024 13: 18
                    Quote from shikin
                    I think if it weren’t trainable in principle, then there wouldn’t be any drones now.

                    This is no longer learning ability, but the instinct of conservation is at work. When half your head is knocked off, you start putting on your helmet. Excellent learning ability! laughing
                    1. +3
                      April 24 2024 17: 25
                      For those. Read two articles about the development and achievements in creating the non-existent ESU TK "Sozvezdie-M" ten years ago... How can you not love your country and your army and lie at every turn:
                      Vladimir Putin at a special meeting in Voronezh noted that the army, which has received a new look, nevertheless remains the army of yesterday.

                      https://nvo.ng.ru/nvo/2010-01-19/2_sozvezdie.html?print=Y

                      As it became known, tests of Orlan for compatibility with the ESU TK were generally successful. Several minor deficiencies were identified, the elimination of which will not take much time. So now it is possible to say with a high probability that along with the widespread introduction of ESU TK, “Orlans” will also go into service with the troops.
                      .
                      https://topwar.ru/13677-orlan-10-dlya-edinoy-sistemy-upravleniya.html
                      Where is the ESU TK? We still have the army of yesterday !
                      1. +6
                        April 24 2024 19: 36
                        The problem with any rigid veterinary management system is that any subordinate works only at the direction of a superior. And no matter how much you shout from below about the need for ESU (substitute the correct one), until the most important one says (and he is far from the smartest), nothing will move. Until the carpenter-fireman saw that his SVP-24 was complete crap against a comparable enemy, who began to hit him in the face very painfully, then the planning ABs were exclusively expensive American toys, sawing and corruption of the American military-industrial complex. What they shouted about from every iron. And in 22, pretending that nothing had happened, and a broken face is a sign of courage, they began to make their own UMPCs, simultaneously praising them as just another analogue, forgetting that others have been using them for 20+ years.
      3. +2
        April 24 2024 09: 39
        they also said about drones that they are not needed, now the time has come for robots
        1. +1
          April 24 2024 10: 20
          They also said about drones that they are not needed

          If you have 15 million infantry, then drones are really not that necessary.
          now it's time for robots

          Good infantry support/replacement in heavy battles.
          1. +1
            April 24 2024 10: 25
            now it's the other way around!!! for each soldier several drones
            1. +2
              April 24 2024 11: 38
              now it's the other way around!!! for each soldier several drones

              Drones are cheap and accessible. and 1 soldier costs more than a drone.
              1. +2
                April 24 2024 11: 39
                a soldier is generally priceless
                1. 0
                  April 24 2024 12: 32
                  a soldier is generally priceless

                  The lower the birth rate, the more valuable the soldier.
                  Previously, in the +-8-N centuries, Slavic women gave birth to 9-16 children. Circle of Svarog (These are 16 children)
                  The Slavs had no problems with recruiting new warriors.
                  Therefore, no one could destroy the Slavs.
                  Although there were many attempts. (Huns, Goths, Avars, Pechenegs, Polovtsians, all sorts of Germans...)
                  1. +3
                    April 24 2024 12: 46
                    a modern man cannot handle that many children
                    1. +1
                      April 24 2024 13: 00
                      Quote: Nastia Makarova
                      a modern man cannot handle that many children

                      The modern system of education and medicine cannot handle this. They don’t really cope with what’s available.
                      And yes, not for a modern man, but for a modern family.
                      1. +1
                        April 24 2024 13: 04
                        Well then, not even the family, but the modern way and cult of life
                      2. 0
                        April 24 2024 13: 15
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        Well then, not even the family, but the modern way and cult of life

                        Well, yes. It’s not a task, we began to love our children, and treat them as a gift that needs to be given the best in this life, and we stopped treating our children as working animals, which after 5 years of age will begin to bring benefits to the family. It's terrible, of course, but what can you do...
                      3. 0
                        April 24 2024 13: 25
                        Unfortunately yes............
                      4. +4
                        April 24 2024 13: 36
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        Unfortunately yes

                        What's unfortunate? Why have we started loving and appreciating our children?
                        Unfortunately, now the average family is not able to give more than one or two children everything that they consider necessary to give. Three or more children means that the mother does not work 100%, but is a housewife. With a median salary of 40-43 tr. across the country, even with benefits and privileges you can’t live on this money. And if someone has health problems, then it’s generally sad. And why survive like this?
                      5. 0
                        April 24 2024 13: 38
                        Unfortunately, this is a way of life, a cult, but you can love 10 children
                      6. +2
                        April 24 2024 13: 43
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        Unfortunately, this is a way of life, a cult, but you can love 10 children

                        It is possible and necessary. Just to look at your hungry children, who have never tasted anything sweeter than carrots in their lives, and then at the age of 10 send out yards of revenge, or weed beets, well, this is so-so love... No better than for livestock.
                      7. 0
                        April 24 2024 14: 16
                        How else do you want to raise the demographics?
                      8. +4
                        April 24 2024 14: 24
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        How else do you want to raise the demographics?

                        And look at the peak birth rate in the USSR in the late 70s and early 80s. Then a record amount of housing was distributed to the population, salaries and pensions for the population were raised. It was a calm, good life.
                        Look at the small uptick in births in 00xx.
                        Look at the demographic hole of the 90s. And on the same pit since 2014.
                        Can you add 1+1 yourself?
                        PS: with such prices and rates on real estate loans, with such compulsory medical insurance and the “availability” of places in kindergartens and schools, you can safely give up on demographics. By adding here an obvious PURPOSE policy to replace indigenous peoples with Asians, then all questions disappear altogether.
                      9. 0
                        April 24 2024 14: 29
                        give away apartments and salaries, demographics will not appear immediately, it’s been decades, and even then it’s a fantasy that someone will give something there, everything will go like in the EU, dark-skinned French and Germans
                      10. +5
                        April 24 2024 15: 16
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        give away apartments and salaries, demographics will not appear immediately, it’s been decades, and even then it’s a fantasy that someone will give something there, everything will go like in the EU, dark-skinned French and Germans

                        Of course, this is not fast. Breaking is not building. But there is no other way.
                        The dark-skinned people in our country now also receive apartments and mat capital for their broods, but this has nothing to do with demographics. It's all about substitution. And salaries should not be distributed, but jobs should be given in industries with high added value, i.e. high-tech. But this requires qualified personnel, a lot of them. And for this we need a strong education and medical system. In general, everything that once was in the USSR. But no one is doing this and no one is going to do it. The pipe is still pumping, import substitution has come from the east. Smile and wave)))
                      11. -1
                        April 24 2024 15: 17
                        what you write is the desired mantras. this will not happen, there will soon be no white people left on the planet
                      12. +5
                        April 24 2024 15: 25
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        there will soon be no white people left on the planet

                        I don't care about white people on the planet. I am more concerned about the replacement of our people by Asians specifically in the Russian Federation.
                        PS: yes, I forgot about the reason for the decline in demographics. Previously, grandparents retired at 55/60 years old, because... It was possible to live normally on pension, and they helped, babysat their grandchildren while their parents worked. Now: a) the retirement age has been raised
                        b) you still can’t survive on a pension, and old people work instead of babysitting their grandchildren.
                      13. +1
                        April 24 2024 15: 32
                        and I’m worried, but nothing can be fixed, in 40 years the White Russians will be in the minority
                      14. 0
                        April 25 2024 10: 35
                        At least clarify what you're talking about. After all, some of the “Asians” you said are precisely the indigenous peoples of Russia. The peoples of the Far East, Yakutia and the Amur region are just Asians. And they have already lived there for dozens of generations. So the indigenous ones are what they are. Some other peoples, for example from Central Asia, well, they... until recently were also residents of a single country. In Soviet times it was part of a single country. And the fathers of many of those who come here now remember how everything was together and they could calmly go to work in the RSFSR. And now they are simply sharing their experience with the current generation so that they go there. And in general. People move to us not because life is good, but because it is even worse there. If we want them not to move in with us. It is necessary to either STRONGLY tighten migration policy (which goes against the ideas of our politicians and reformers who rely on migrants as heavy labor force). Or... to improve life in their country so that they don’t come too much. Look, Georgians or Azerbaijanis rarely come as labor migrants (they exist, but there are noticeably fewer of them than representatives of Central Asia or other post-Soviet countries). But because they have a fairly stable situation in the country. Azerbaijan has good relations with Turkey, and they jointly support each other and there is a good standard of living there. Georgia is generally aimed at joining the EU.
                        So to look at everything from the prism of “the Asians have arrived” is very superficial!!!
                      15. +4
                        April 25 2024 11: 47
                        Quote: Mustachioed Kok
                        At least clarify what you're talking about. After all, some of the “Asians” you said are precisely the indigenous peoples of Russia. The peoples of the Far East, Yakutia and the Amur region are just Asians. And they have already lived there for dozens of generations. So the indigenous ones are what they are.

                        You answered your own question. If they are indigenous residents of the Russian Federation, how can we talk about them? Of course about Wed. We are talking about Asians.
                        Quote: Mustachioed Kok
                        Until recently, they were also residents of a single country. In Soviet times it was part of a single country. And the fathers of many of those who come here now remember how everything was together and they could calmly go to work in the RSFSR. And now they are simply sharing their experience with the current generation so that they go there. And in general. People move to us not because life is good, but because it is even worse there. If we want them not to move in with us. It is necessary to either STRONGLY tighten migration policy (which goes against the ideas of our politicians and reformers who rely on migrants as a heavy labor force). Or... to improve life in their country so that they don’t come too much.

                        First of all, it was a LONG time ago. 33 years, after all, is already more than one generation. And it was impossible to calmly go to work in the RSFSR, this was well monitored and the mass migration from Wed. Asia was stopped. Don't tell stories. And the old generation does not share any experience. Young people don’t even know the Russian language anymore; I’m generally silent about our culture and law. It should be stated that these countries have slipped into the Middle Ages and live according to medieval norms and rules. This is where all the chaos they are creating here comes from.
                        Why they are moving here is of no concern to me personally. And we are in no way obliged to provide them with a better life, neither here nor there. If our economists and businessmen so need workers, then let them recruit workers, and not set up a gatehouse from the country. Let me remind you that the terrorists from Crocus did not work anywhere. A huge number of visiting foreigners do not work ANYWHERE, but are involved in drug trafficking and other crimes. WHO needs this and WHY?
                        Only tightening of migration policy. Only strict control over those entering. Only workers are allowed in, no families are allowed here. Their families are a huge burden on the budget, the education system and medicine.
                      16. +1
                        April 29 2024 17: 21
                        Quote: Mustachioed Kok
                        Or... to improve life in their country so that they don’t come too much

                        Are you serious? Show me a country that improves the lives of other countries so that migrants do not come to it. If the government wanted, there would not be a single migrant, as in Belarus. It is necessary to import qualified personnel, or a contingent capable of training. And then our own young people don’t go to the factories. Make the wages normal, then the natives will go to the factories. Another factor in the shortage is medical. Every year we undergo a medical examination and if, God forbid, you have something with your hearing or vision, and after 60 it’s quite common, then you’ll just get fired. Although it would seem how a 30% decrease in hearing, for example, can affect the quality of work? We have deaf and mute people working here.
                      17. -1
                        April 29 2024 18: 03
                        Nobody improves.
                        But it is quite possible to make it so that it would be profitable for them to go to other countries, and not to you. And besides, “improving life” is not possible for everyone. Let’s say that through joint programs we can lure only specialists (doctors, engineers, scientists, military officers or simply talented people). And this is exactly what other countries are actively doing. For example the USA.
                        They are not spent on raising the standard of living in neighboring countries. But they spend money in Latvian countries. America. There were centers that searched for good specialists and lured them to work on favorable terms.
                      18. 0
                        April 29 2024 18: 08
                        Quote: Mustachioed Kok
                        But to make it so that it would be profitable for them to go to other countries, and not to you, is quite possible

                        For example, what conditions must be created for an Asian to go to Kazakhstan? They are not needed there and simply no one will let them in
                      19. +1
                        April 29 2024 18: 37
                        For example, to simplify migration and citizenship programs for highly qualified specialists. But make it difficult for everyone else. And then people will simply see that it is so difficult to get to Russia that it is not as profitable as going to Kazakhstan. And now this is generally the case - Kazakhstan is not under sanctions, and gradually foreign companies are relocating from Russia to the CIS countries. And potentially there will be more job offers there over time
                      20. 0
                        April 24 2024 13: 44
                        Do you have 10 children? Do you know what you're talking about?
                      21. +1
                        April 24 2024 14: 22
                        Do you have 10 children? Do you know what you're talking about?

                        I have examples of Slavic women who have 5 children or more. And there is one Slavic couple who have 10 of their Slavic children.
                        Yes, it's hard. Yes, you have to work. They don't have an iPhone or a Mercedes. But they have happy faces. To each his own. It just used to be considered the norm. And now 1-2 children and that’s it.
                      22. 0
                        April 24 2024 15: 17
                        Quote from stelltok
                        I have examples of Slavic women who have 5 children or more. And there is one Slavic couple who have 10 of their Slavic children.

                        Yes, I know those too. This is an exception to the rule. And I asked you personally. Are you personally capable, are you ready?
                      23. 0
                        3 May 2024 16: 28
                        There are a lot of opposite examples, when it is better not to tell what is going on in some “large” families. The parents drink there and don’t really want to work.
                      24. -1
                        April 24 2024 13: 45
                        Well, yes. It’s not a task, we began to love our children, and treat them as a gift that needs to be given the best in this life, and we stopped treating our children as working animals, which after 5 years of age will begin to bring benefits to the family. It's terrible, of course, but what can you do...

                        I agree.
                        Previously, the Slavs had an ideology - were they born into this world?
                        boy ?? - go work, start a family, protect, help your family.
                        girl??? give birth to many children, work, help.
                        Slavic ideology worked.
                        Then everything went wrong.
                      25. +1
                        April 24 2024 14: 07
                        Quote from stelltok
                        Previously, the Slavs had an ideology - were they born into this world?
                        boy ?? - go work, start a family, protect, help your family.
                        girl??? give birth to many children, work, help.
                        Slavic ideology worked.
                        Then everything went wrong.

                        Yes, nothing was broken. Now everything is the same, with the rare exception of rear-wheel drive and childfree. Although the first ones were always and everywhere.
                        Another thing is that with the natural development of the economy and technology, the standard of living of people has also increased. Education, culture and life, everything now has a completely different level than a hundred years ago. Hence, people’s demands and expectations are different. And there is nothing bad or reprehensible in this. Whoever condemns this is very disingenuous, completely unwilling to try on pickles and bast shoes. I suggest that all champions of the “original Slavic” traditions, at least for a vacation, for a month, go to any monastery as a worker, and then talk about the demography of the ancient Slavs)))
                      26. -1
                        April 24 2024 14: 25
                        Yes, nothing was broken. Now everything is the same

                        Now there are 1-2 children.

                        And there is nothing bad or reprehensible in this. Whoever condemns this is very disingenuous, completely unwilling to try on pickles and bast shoes.

                        Where have you seen large families wearing bast shoes? Shoes are cheap these days.

                        discuss the demography of the ancient Slavs)))

                        What is there to argue?
                        Slavs are in the minority.
                      27. +3
                        April 24 2024 14: 32
                        Quote from stelltok
                        Now there are 1-2 children.

                        This is not because they don’t love or want children. Because they cannot give more children a decent life, medicine and education. Another 20 years of such continuous victories, and there won’t be 1-2 children.
                        Quote from stelltok
                        Where have you seen large families wearing bast shoes? Shoes are cheap these days.

                        Cheap shoes? laughing Yes Yes. Do you even have children? When the size grows over the season, do you know how this happens? laughing
                        We have many children - 3 children or more. And their income is much lower than that of families with 1-2 children. If there are 10 of them, then there will be bast shoes.
                      28. 0
                        April 24 2024 14: 42
                        Because they cannot give more children a decent life, medicine and education.

                        So no one argues here. Breakthroughs every day.
                        Another 20 years of such continuous victories, and there won’t be 1-2 children.

                        That's what I'm talking about. Which won't happen soon.
                      29. 0
                        April 29 2024 18: 35
                        And who said that this is SLAVIC and IDEOLOGY?
                        Firstly, this used to be the case in ALL countries. And in Germany, and in France and in China. Not because there was some kind of IDEOLOGY. But simply because for the majority of the poor, peasant population. Having many children was the ONLY way to guarantee your old age.

                        Women had no rights at all. Neither own real estate nor trade. And in general they were considered partly as a kind of asset. Therefore, for a woman, her ONLY way to ensure her life is to hope to get to a good husband and provide him with children. And in the absence of anything that helps modern mothers (washing machines, ready-made foods, children's clinics, children's clothing stores, etc.), they had to spend ALL their time on this.

                        Understand - this was not an “ideology”, and not the ONLY WAY for a family to continue to exist (add here also HIGH infant mortality. So if you want at least 3 adult sons to grow up, give birth to 8 children in reserve)

                        And with urbanization the situation has become better. In the city, at the factory, at least they pay MONEY, and you don’t just eat natural products. Women could already be asked to come and work at the plant. In parallel, due to the development of industry, some things were now simply sold, and there was no need to create everything.

                        What now? Now men and girls can receive higher education on equal terms. And get a job. And work with the desire to rise. Because now. under capitalism, which has no competitors, EVERYTHING is sold here and EVERYTHING needs to be bought. And now it’s no longer enough to just go to work - because THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY FOR YOURSELF. Many young people are either forced to take part-time jobs or go to “live” at thankless jobs in order to somehow save money. Children need to be registered in kindergartens when the child is not yet born. Getting him ready for school almost costs as much as a year’s rent for a one-room apartment on the very outskirts of the city.

                        That's ironic, don't you think!? The country is constantly shouting about the need for young specialists, the need to increase the birth rate and think about demography. And when the parents in response demand “So HELP with the children, everything is expensive. We can barely bear ONE or TWO children,” they are told that they did not ask them to give birth and this is generally the parent’s concern and the state does not owe them anything.
                    2. -5
                      April 24 2024 13: 48
                      All Slavs are only 2%. We are in the minority. And these percentages are falling.
                      The Slavs may disappear. An endangered species.
                      a modern man cannot handle that many children

                      This means that children should be forced to work from the age of 5.
                      Child labour. At least as cleaners. But I doubt that the government will allow child labor.
                      1. +3
                        April 24 2024 14: 11
                        Quote from stelltok
                        This means that children should be forced to work from the age of 5.
                        Child labour. At least as cleaners. But I doubt that the government will allow child labor.

                        This means a return to the early Middle Ages. Bravo!!!
                        Yes, and your thoughts are strange. Do you think that the more you work as unskilled labor, the more money you will earn? It seems you missed the collapse of the USSR somewhere))))
                      2. 0
                        April 24 2024 14: 27
                        This means a return to the early Middle Ages. Bravo!!!

                        Or extinction. Or having many children.
                        Yes, and your thoughts are strange. Do you think that the more you work as unskilled labor, the more money you will earn?

                        The more people there are, the greater the economic growth, at least due to domestic demand for goods.
                      3. +3
                        April 24 2024 14: 41
                        Quote from stelltok
                        The more people there are, the greater the economic growth, at least due to domestic demand for goods.

                        Thanks, Cap! But first of all, those up there don’t care about that. A separate unit of society, the family, cannot and should not care about global issues in the country. The population is a resource of the state, and the leaders of this state should be involved in its development. And if in the USSR there was visible work on this development, the same migration policy, the provision of housing, the creation of jobs, the development of medicine and education, then today’s leaders put everything into this with their parting. When developers on housing construction have a margin of 400-500% per cycle of 5 years, without providing virtually any jobs for the LOCAL population, while the prices for this housing fly into space.... What can we even talk about?
                      4. -1
                        April 24 2024 14: 53
                        There was autarchy in the USSR. Therefore, goods were made and sold. Housing was affordable, there were jobs.
                        Now the Russian Federation is integrated into the global world. Therefore, it is difficult to compete (especially with the Chinese), housing is expensive, goods are difficult to sell, there are few jobs because industrialization is weak.
                      5. +2
                        April 24 2024 15: 03
                        Quote from stelltok
                        Now the Russian Federation is integrated into the global world. Therefore, it is difficult to compete (especially with the Chinese), housing is expensive, goods are difficult to sell, there are few jobs because industrialization is weak.

                        Hmm, strange, having your OWN CHEAP resources, how can you talk about the severity of competition? How is it that the Japanese manage to compete with the United States without having their own resources at all? It has not been so difficult to compete with China for a long time, because they have not worked for a bowl of rice for a long time, and the salary there is higher than in our country. Something like this))) And they also don’t have their own resources, except for the population. It’s just that for 40 years they were engaged in work, and not in plundering their country, like our boyars and the tsar.
                        Housing is expensive only because this is the system of distribution of material goods in the country.
                        The only issue here is the lack of quality managers of the country, and nothing more.
                      6. -1
                        April 24 2024 20: 07
                        Hmm, strange, having your OWN CHEAP resources, how can you talk about the severity of competition?

                        Probably because there are 1.5 billion Chinese, 996 work. From 9 am to 21 pm, 6 days a week.
                        How is it that the Japanese manage to compete with the United States without having their own resources at all?

                        The Japanese compete in some things, but in others they cannot.
                        Japanese cell phones are inferior to iPhones.
                        And the Japanese do not export many other goods in competition with China.
                        Toyota? So Toyota is an international company.
                        Toyota engine oil is made by the Germans))))
                        Other components are also produced in many different countries.
                        It has not been so difficult to compete with China for a long time, because they have not worked for a bowl of rice for a long time, and the salary there is higher than in our country.

                        There are 1.5 billion Chinese, 996 work. From 9 a.m. to 21 p.m., 6 days a week.
                        How do you propose to compete with this?
                        Something like this))) And they also don’t have their own resources, except for the population.

                        Firstly, they buy cheap resources from the Russian Federation.
                        Secondly, population is the most powerful resource.
                        They just spent 40 years doing work, not robbing their country

                        Well, yes. And they also have 1.5 billion workforce.
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                      8. +3
                        April 25 2024 08: 48
                        Quote from stelltok
                        Probably because there are 1.5 billion Chinese, 996 work. From 9 am to 21 pm, 6 days a week.

                        According to the law, there is a 40-hour week, a maximum of 44. 996 work in top large companies, but the salaries there are corresponding. At our construction sites they generally work seven days a week, 12 hours a day. What's the point?
                        Quote from stelltok
                        The Japanese compete in some things, but in others they cannot.
                        Japanese cell phones are inferior to iPhones.
                        And the Japanese do not export many other goods in competition with China.
                        Toyota? So Toyota is an international company.
                        Toyota engine oil is made by the Germans))))
                        Other components are also produced in many different countries.

                        Compared to us, they compete in EVERYTHING. Who stopped AvtoVAZ from making oil in Germany and purchasing components all over the world?
                        Quote from stelltok
                        There are 1.5 billion Chinese, 996 work. From 9 a.m. to 21 p.m., 6 days a week.
                        How do you propose to compete with this?

                        There are 110 million Japanese, 5,5 million Finns, 10 million Swedes. None of them have their own resources, literally at all. However, the Finns compete in furniture, telecom equipment and shipbuilding. The Swedes are at their best in mechanical engineering. Japan in everything from microchips to space rockets. They have the second/third largest navy, after the USA and China. What is it like in the Russian Federation with the Navy and with cell phones that are at least at the level of Japanese ones?
                        Quote from stelltok
                        Firstly, they buy cheap resources from the Russian Federation.
                        Secondly, population is the most powerful resource.

                        Do we sell resources to them cheaper than to ourselves?
                        The population still needs to be used wisely. Even if our leaders give us 5 billion, there will still be a raw material economy and a population of 4,999 billion poor starving people.

                        Quote from stelltok
                        And they also have 1.5 billion workforce.

                        You are repeating yourself for the 3rd time... These 1-1,5 billion hundreds of years we walked in bast shoes and lived in dugouts, while we were the first to launch humans into space and master the peaceful atom.
                        So it's not the bobbin...
                  2. +2
                    April 24 2024 14: 40
                    Quote from stelltok
                    Previously, in the +-8-N centuries, Slavic women gave birth to 9-16 children. Circle of Svarog (These are 16 children)
                    The Slavs had no problems with recruiting new warriors.


                    And how many of them survived to adulthood? God grant half. So the numbers you gave are so-so.
                    1. 0
                      April 24 2024 14: 48
                      And how many of them survived to adulthood? God grant half.

                      No one can say how long he lived.
                      But we see that they were able to withstand that meat grinder that you wouldn’t wish on anyone.
                      So the numbers you gave are so-so.

                      Well, there are a lot of children in Africa now. And all these Africans are fleeing to Europe.
                      Soon there will be no whites left in Europe.
                      1. 0
                        April 24 2024 14: 53
                        Quite well known. Even the nobility had many children die. For there was practically no medicine as such. Even at the beginning of the 20th century, infant mortality in rural areas was high.
      4. +1
        April 24 2024 17: 57
        How to solve the problem of occupying territory? Disable flags remotely? 404 e are reset, but not borrowed.
      5. 0
        April 25 2024 05: 25
        the Western concept of waging high-tech wars has failed
      6. 0
        6 May 2024 06: 02
        Stupidity or not - time and execution will tell.

        It always seemed to me that the end result (=Victory) is the physical occupation and clearing of enemy territory, which is practically impossible without a highly probable physical contact battle in the process.

        Well, a striking (maybe not entirely correct) example is the neutralization of a mine device by a robot (MBD) where, in fact, ground robots are actively used and effective.

        It is certainly important to minimize possible contact combat through, among other things, distance combat, and

        Following your logic: a donkey loaded with gold takes even more affective fortresses (which seems to have been an unjustified expectation before the start of the Northern Military District. (I even heard a version that someone there, like the one responsible for this, was killed soon after the first energetic advance deep into the territory and failure to cross local administrations on the side of the Russian Federation)).
    3. +2
      April 24 2024 18: 13
      Lech from Android
      Back in the 60s, military strategies dreamed of “push-button wars”, and even tried to somehow automate military actions. Robotization was inevitable.
      The fighter of the future turns into an operator of a swarm of various autonomous automated devices. These devices will become smaller and smaller... down to the size of insects. Not entire armies will be able to conduct combat operations against each other, but even individual people. And this is a new threat for which we must prepare. Both with your own “swarms” and to counter enemy swarms
    4. +1
      April 24 2024 18: 58
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Where is the world heading...robots are fighting, not humans

      Quote: Lech from Android.
      which can be stamped without restrictions as needed.

      The main thing is not this... The main thing is that you can stamp EXPERIENCE - just upgrade the software to the level of the best samples
  2. +1
    April 24 2024 05: 31
    Off topic but important!

    Russian President Vladimir Putin was informed of the detention of Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Timur Ivanov, who oversaw property management in the department. This was announced by the press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov.

    Also, according to him, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu was aware of the incident in advance.

    Earlier, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation reported on the Telegram channel that Timur Ivanov was detained on suspicion of receiving a bribe on an especially large scale.

    “On suspicion of committing a crime under Part 6 of Art. 290 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (taking a bribe), Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Timur Vladimirovich Ivanov was detained,” the message says.

    This article, we note, implies imprisonment for up to 15 years. Later, law enforcement sources said that the high-ranking official was in operational development “not yesterday, not the day before yesterday, and not a month ago.” And the basis of the criminal case against the deputy minister consists, among other things, of witness testimony and the results of operational activities.

    Now, the source emphasizes, operational support of the criminal case is being carried out by military counterintelligence of the Federal Security Service. Investigative actions are being carried out with Ivanov himself.

    https://www.kp.ru/online/news/5779691/
    1. +3
      April 24 2024 05: 52
      Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Timur Vladimirovich Ivanov was detained,” -

      Wasn’t it the late Prigogine who swore at him?
      1. 0
        April 24 2024 05: 58
        This is what I don’t know, this is what I don’t know. But apparently he really stole, since they took it.....
        A number of media outlets write that he was Serdyukovsky and initially oversaw Oboronstroy.
    2. +6
      April 24 2024 06: 02
      So the well-known Prigozhin made a fortune on construction sites for the Army. And where there is construction, especially on a budget basis, kickbacks and bribes are a priori present. “An intendant who has spent three years in office is subject to execution without trial” - e.A.V. Suvorov!!!!
      1. +1
        April 24 2024 06: 04
        He was appointed Deputy Minister of Defense in 2016. In 2018, as they write, he already began to deal with living space for military personnel. He also built Patriot Park, there were murky matters with building materials and suppliers, but at that time he was screwed.

        During the times of Prigozhin and Wagner, Ivanov was called Prigozhin’s main opponent.
        So what about the fact that Prigozhin was swearing at him - it seems so.
        1. +1
          April 24 2024 06: 11
          Here. We posted news here on VO.
          https://topwar.ru/241155-zaderzhan-zamministra-oborony-rossii-timur-ivanov-kotoryj-neskolko-chasov-nazad-prisutstvoval-na-kollegii-vedomstva.html
    3. 0
      April 24 2024 12: 16
      Quote: Nexcom
      Earlier, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation reported on the Telegram channel that Timur Ivanov was detained on suspicion of receiving a bribe on an especially large scale.

      Well, that's him
      Candidate of Economic Sciences.

      As they say, “who studied what.” He learned not to fight, but .... (put the expected one).
  3. +4
    April 24 2024 05: 41
    Robots, combat drones, armata, su 57, hunters, Kurgans. Lasers, phasers.. And Vanka still forges victory on t 72-90.. aka..
  4. +2
    April 24 2024 05: 57
    And there are too many fantastic works about robot tanks to count! And today this universal fantasy is becoming reality. People, be careful!!!!!!
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  6. +2
    April 24 2024 06: 18
    Quote: Nexcom
    But apparently he really stole, since they took it.....

    I stole))) don’t tell me...it’s more likely that he took more than he was supposed to or didn’t share.
  7. +1
    April 24 2024 07: 07
    Quote: antivirus
    It's cheaper to hire a zouave. 300 thousand Vietnamese, Koreans, Zulus.
    Dust of Deserts against AI. We get the Milky Way on the Dnieper.

    Not the best option... who knows where they will turn their weapons next. request
  8. +1
    April 24 2024 08: 19
    Regarding Gnome Kamikaze, there is a historical example. WWII German self-propelled mine "Goliath".
    The latest modification is Goliath-V, the explosive is already 100 kg, and for example, the TM-62 has 8 kg.
    The speed is only 11 km/h, but it’s good for finishing off armored vehicles. Control by wire, electronic warfare will not help.
    So there is something to strive for, robotics is developing rapidly.
  9. fiv
    +4
    April 24 2024 08: 22
    So in about five years, robotic vacuum cleaners will be sent to military training.
    1. 0
      April 24 2024 09: 03
      Yeah, and the whole village will see you off crying, robotic
  10. +2
    April 24 2024 09: 04
    "Assault in Berdychi.."
    What is the result? The fact that the soldiers did not die, and that’s all? If we've touched on the topic, we need to tell you more about this fight. Have you taken your positions? Has the area been cleaned?
    1. 0
      April 24 2024 11: 26
      If you believe the Internet, they fired and retreated. The tests were considered successful. Money spent...
  11. +1
    April 24 2024 09: 17
    UAV-kamikaze "Geranium-2" (60 thousand US dollars) and missiles for the American anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) Patriot (5 million US dollars), while the ground robotic complex in any case will be exposed to a wide range of threats, including "cheap » means of destruction, such as heavy machine guns, hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers

    It's funny how the author played with contrasts! laughing Geranium, shooting down a Patriot missile defense system is the same as destroying an armored personnel carrier with an Iskander OTRK missile. Why distort it like that? Geraniums are quite well shot down by the same heavy machine guns and anti-aircraft artillery. Yes, and cheaper air defense missiles also exist and work quite well against Geraniums. The only question is detection and targeting. The same Cheetahs and mobile groups of Khinzir cope well with this. Another thing is that SO far the saturation of the front with such weapons is not high, and on both sides, in contrast to weapons against ground targets. But work in this direction is underway.
  12. +2
    April 24 2024 09: 23
    A mini robot tank costs a lot. + drivers + ammunition, etc.
    And a contract worker is hired - from an advertisement on the bus - 600 thousand upon conclusion and UP TO 200 per month.
    And it's universal.

    That's it, no one will count how much his life was worth before. Not an oligarch, not an official or a Duma member. It costs less. not the "elite".
    And dark-skinned Asians are already being brought to Russia, they wrote
  13. 0
    April 24 2024 09: 26
    Again there are a ton of plans.
    The robot shown in the photo has a plastic frontal part.
    Of course, the hulls must be cast from aluminum alloy, similar to how the French designed and manufactured tanks.
  14. +1
    April 24 2024 11: 01
    How not to remember the classics laughing good
  15. +2
    April 24 2024 11: 11
    At one time, wedges and LB tanks flew off the battlefields - for the same reason that in modern assault combat there is hardly a place for most of the above-mentioned ground-based UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles).
    Knocking out the movement, knocking out the sensors, knocking out the control mechanisms - the apparatus is meat. An aerial UAV of running models will probably be even cheaper than a ground one because there are no requirements for such armor, there is no bulk ammunition and the means of aiming fire is much simpler and more compact, and moving in production is also much easier, since there are no ditches or uneven terrain and they cannot be created in the air using standard means and are relatively easy.

    I believe that the ideal niche for UUVs is ambushes and covert penetration beyond the perimeter, to the perimeter borders. But not an active field assault (the exception is mobile landmines). The very size of the UAV in this case should be smaller than the size of a person from 1/2 to 1/3, the device should not have full-sector armor - it needs suitable communications, high-quality guidance devices, and precise drives for weapon coordination. The device should be as silent as possible and use a type of undercarriage that creates a minimum of noise and the most inconspicuous footprint (i.e., low ground pressure is very desirable). In the IR range, the device should be minimally noticeable and well masked from contrast. The last important point is the battery life in standby mode - that is, a battery type with minimal self-discharge in rational (non-peak) ranges (-30, +35, for example).
    Remote driving performance is somewhat secondary because the device itself, due to its compactness, can (and should) be delivered to the LBS area via landing using a UAV. The option of landing by glider or parachute with an active braking system is also possible.
    The mass of the device should not exceed 40-50 kilos, therefore.
    1. 0
      April 24 2024 16: 19
      Knocking out the movement, knocking out the sensors, knocking out the control mechanisms - the apparatus is meat.

      All this is true for manned technology.
    2. 0
      April 24 2024 18: 07
      Knell wardenheart
      Reservations are not required. If you are writing about ambushes, then a frame structure on which, for example, a machine gun is mounted, is quite possible. For mine carriers or supply deliverers, armor is also not particularly necessary.
      As for the sensors, the problem is solved by redundancy. But all kinds of protective covers and nets still need to be provided
  16. +2
    April 24 2024 11: 25
    Back in 2011, I wrote about Rogozin’s pseudo-robots. that the easiest way to make a remote-controlled UAV, in second place is artillery firing from closed positions. A ground-based drone is more difficult to make, primarily due to the need for a minimum of five operators. Well, replacing an infantryman is only possible in the form of a fixed firing point.
    .
    At random, our designers will still come to the correct, although in today's view, paradoxical, solutions to the problems of drones.
    .
    What advice would I give today? Don’t bother with creating new platforms, but invest in robotization of old tanks and self-propelled guns for indirect shooting. Even if a live driver brings the tank to this position. There are several simple but non-trivial solutions that will be generally accepted in a couple of years... However, 15 years ago no one took drones seriously.
    1. +1
      April 25 2024 04: 27
      What advice would I give today? Don’t bother with creating new platforms, but invest in robotization of old tanks and self-propelled guns for indirect shooting. Even if a live driver brings the tank to this position.

      I completely agree with you, the robotization of old Soviet platforms (infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, mt-lb...) while maintaining manual control is much more practical and efficient than those semi-children's robotic "carts" that the designers imagine...
      One can also understand the Ministry of Defense that requires an armored floating platform, but gets an unprotected “scooter” for rolling along the asphalt....
  17. 0
    April 24 2024 11: 49
    Quote: Vitov
    Another stupidity at its finest! In modern warfare, combat operations are conducted remotely and in real time, while contact combat is not the main type of combat. Contact combat is a non-calculated type of combat. This opportunity is provided to the advanced army by modern technical reconnaissance equipment. But we have huge problems with this, which they are trying to hide from you with all sorts of stupidity. In order to use robots instead of humans in war, the level of development of intelligence and communications means must be even higher. Robots do not fight in human battle formations. SVO is an example of chaos and the killing of soldiers in modern times. Just give the example of kamikaze drones on the battlefield. If there is no battlefield, then there are no kamikaze drones. They are actively used in close contact combat, which must be avoided. The architects and designers of our modern army are decades behind and can only observe how soldiers and officers fight on the front line, and then draw conclusions. What did you see new in the Northern Military District that was not known 25 years ago?
    And now the results of contact battles and frontal assaults on cities and towns are even scary to voice...

    Be careful with your expressions, nowadays you can get caught in an article. By the way, you already talked about her
  18. +3
    April 24 2024 11: 54
    Similar to cheap framecopters, we will soon see walking drones on Aliexpress for 1/10 of the price they are asking for now. And they are available for free sale:
  19. +2
    April 24 2024 12: 05
    "Armageddon has been won and the forces of Satan defeated.

    But something was happening on their television screens.

    - How! This ... this ... - began General McFee and fell silent.

    For along the battlefield, between the heaps of warped, shattered metal, Grace walked.

    The generals were silent.

    Grace touched the disfigured robot.

    And the robots stirred throughout the steaming desert. Twisted, burnt, melted pieces of metal were renewed.

    And the robots got to their feet.

    “McFee,” Supreme Commander Vetterer whispered. - Press on something - let them, or something, kneel down.

    The general pressed, but the remote control did not work.

    And the robots have already soared to the skies. They were surrounded by the angels of the Lord, and robotic tanks, robotic infantry, automatic bombers ascended higher and higher.

    - He takes them alive to heaven! Ongin exclaimed hysterically. - He takes robots to paradise!

    “There was a mistake,” Vetterer said. - Faster! Send a liaison officer ... No, we'll go ourselves.

    The plane was instantly dispatched, and they rushed towards the battlefield. But it was too late: Armageddon was over, the robots disappeared, and the Lord and his army retreated to their own home."

    Still, Robert Sheckley was a brilliant visionary :)
  20. 0
    April 24 2024 12: 39
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart


    I believe that the ideal niche for UUVs is ambushes and covert penetration beyond the perimeter, to the perimeter borders.

    A worm robot, ~200 mm in diameter, with a thin control cable extending from the tail, can have such parameters. Quietly he will crawl straight into the trench. There were already developments of such a plan, but they were positioned as robots of the Ministry of Emergency Situations. Such a slider might be charged at the head with a high-explosive fragmentation charge, and controlled from above, using a UAV. In general, the tandem of UAVs and UAVs looks the most promising. M.b. That’s why UAVs began to appear only after UAVs became widespread.
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    April 24 2024 16: 03
    The main problem with robotic platforms is that the Ministry of Defense does not want to buy them. Removal of the wounded, delivery of goods, assault - according to the Ministry of Defense, ordinary soldiers can cope with this. And, as usual, there’s not a lot of money to spend on purchasing drones.
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    April 24 2024 17: 15
    Where is Rogozinsky's "Marker"?! It turns out that the robotic complex of enthusiasts turned out to be more effective and cheaper.
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    April 24 2024 18: 03
    The author forgot another important point. Flying drones are much simpler and cheaper than ground-based ones. First, flying drones and their ingredients are mass-produced, which is not the case for ground-based drones.
    Ground-based drones operate in much more difficult conditions than flying ones (compare a tank and an airplane). And it's not even about connection.
    It is necessary to move over rough terrain, overcome or go around obstacles, not get stuck in the mud, and not fall into a funnel. A ground-based drone can be blown up by a mine or fall into a trap. It is much easier to hit a ground-based drone than a flying one. The equipment on such a drone is much more vulnerable than on a flying aircraft.
    In my opinion, one ground drone is equivalent in complexity and cost to five flying ones with similar functionality.
    Obviously, each type of drone has its own niche where they are most effective, and they need to be used in combination. It is quite possible that ground-based launchers for flying drones will appear. They secretly approach the desired location, then launch a drone (or drones). They may also be waiting for the desired event, for example, the appearance of a column of enemy troops.
    The opposite option is also possible - delivery of ground-based drones by air or flying drones to the area where the combat mission is to be carried out.
    For example, a ground-based drone can be delivered by a disposable, low-cost unmanned glider. There are many options
  25. +1
    April 24 2024 19: 14
    And what is the result of this crap entering the battle? wink
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    April 24 2024 20: 29
    War of robots, endowed with AI is the future of wars. And the robots will be of different "VUS"s. After the robots, human fighters will go to clean up.
  27. +1
    April 24 2024 23: 03
    Quote: Zoer
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    How else do you want to raise the demographics?

    And look at the peak birth rate in the USSR in the late 70s and early 80s. Then a record amount of housing was distributed to the population, salaries and pensions for the population were raised. It was a calm, good life.
    Look at the small uptick in births in 00xx.
    Look at the demographic hole of the 90s. And on the same pit since 2014.
    Can you add 1+1 yourself?
    PS: with such prices and rates on real estate loans, with such compulsory medical insurance and the “availability” of places in kindergartens and schools, you can safely give up on demographics. By adding here an obvious PURPOSE policy to replace indigenous peoples with Asians, then all questions disappear altogether.

    That's right!
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    April 25 2024 04: 19
    ground robotic tracked platforms armed with AGS-17 automatic grenade launchers moved forward to suppress enemy positions and fired several hundred 30 mm caliber grenades at their positions.

    Why weren’t the robots armed with more modern 40 mm AGS Balkans?
    There the range is 2,5 km and the charge power is much higher..
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    April 25 2024 09: 34
    In fact, a combat ground robot is just a matter of time.
    Tracked platform. Moreover, for reliability, you can make not one, but 2 tracks on each side. Total 4. The body is made to withstand small-caliber bullets and grenade fragments. Such a platform, just like a soldier, will operate on the front line. But at the same time, one such platform replaces several fighters at once. Firstly, he can carry more ammunition at a time than even two or three ordinary soldiers. Well, and most importantly, with those shortcomings that exist and will not go away, this is still a fighter that is produced at the factory and you do not need to wait two decades for him to be called up and spend several more months on his training. Produced, checked for functionality and ready to go!!!
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    April 26 2024 22: 31
    Quote: Zoer
    At our construction sites they generally work seven days a week, 12 hours a day.

    I worked on construction sites, five days a day until 17:00, rarely went out on Saturdays, and those who needed part-time work.
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    April 30 2024 11: 10
    Quote: Vitov
    What kind of military education do you have or just? What is the average score?.. Do you remember?

    This is right! That's it!
    And anyone who has never been sent to prison has no right to condemn the transfers.