"Tsar-Barbecue": a broken tank that has gained unhealthy popularity

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"Tsar-Barbecue": a broken tank that has gained unhealthy popularity


Without handicraftsmen there is nowhere


The zone of a special military operation in Ukraine has long been turned into a training ground where artisans hone their skills and demonstrate remarkable abilities in modifying military equipment to modern realities. Therefore, various kinds of “visors” on tanks and other vehicles, additional screens for protection from projectiles, all-round “body kits” with dynamic protection units and other fruits of the gloomy field genius are already quite commonplace.



However, there is no limit to the breadth of thought and innovative ideas, as our craftsmen demonstrated by rolling out a monstrous-looking tank onto the battlefield, which immediately received nicknames in the style of “Tsar-Barbecue” and “Turtle”.

Yes, we are talking about that same T-72 with a gigantic hangar-like superstructure that appeared on the approaches to the village of Krasnogorovka, for which active battles are currently underway.

Its use was first discussed in the media on April 8, when a video shot by a Ukrainian drone. In these frames, a self-propelled “barn” equipped with a mine trawl was the first in a column of armored vehicles, providing it with passage and cover during the attack on the aforementioned town.

At the same time, by the way, reports appeared that the tank was destroyed by an artillery strike on the building in which it was located after the battle - allegedly due to a geolocation leaked by someone.

Nevertheless, just the other day a car, with a redesigned protective “hangar” design and a nest of jammers for drones, reappeared on the front. And in front-line reports published in Z-channels, it was mentioned as the main guarantee of success in the advancement of our assault groups in Krasnogorovka. Which, in general, is true, since the raids with the participation of the “Tsar Mangal” actually ended with the successful landing of attack aircraft and their subsequent advance deeper into the populated area.

"Tsar-Barbecue" with a new screen design and an electronic warfare system on the roof
"Tsar-Barbecue" with a new screen design and an electronic warfare system on the roof

"Brilliant Solution"


All this became the reason for absolutely fantastic conclusions that equipping a tank with such shielding “from head to toe” is an ingenious solution by craftsmen constantly adapting to the situation, suitable for widespread use. For example, the authors of the Telegram channel “Older the Edda” directly and unambiguously wrote the following:

...Once again I propose to use at the Parade not “unparalleled” equipment, but the equipment that is the workhorse of war. Tanks with bars, moto-legs and, of course, the best example of weapons (I’m not joking at all now), “Tsar-Grill”.

It seems that now, this fruit of someone’s harsh genius, is indeed the most combat-ready example of armored vehicles, fully meeting the realities of modern warfare. 3D wars, where any armored vehicles that appear are attacked by one to several dozen kamikaze drones and in which the weak points of the tank are an easily hit target.

“Tsar-Mangal” is a true genius!

“Rybar” spoke less radically, but in approximately the same manner:

...In modern conditions, flexibility and the ability to adapt to new challenges become even more important. And the practice of the last two years has shown that private initiative plays a significant role in this - sometimes samples collected “on the knee” became the basis for industrial serial products.

So it may be that awkward monstrous designs on armored vehicles, Tsar tanks with a set of electronic warfare systems, or turrets with 12-gauge carbines will actually turn out to be excellent options for the realities of the Northern Military District.

Well, it’s really, really hard for the “armor” right now. As due to the total oversaturation of the battlefield with modern (and not very modern either) anti-tank weapons of the classical type - guided missiles, grenade launchers, mines, cluster munitions and so on. So it is in view of the terrifying spread of a new type of weapon in the form of drones, attacking equipment in the most vulnerable places.

Of course, all these circumstances require their own solutions: the installation of active protection systems, anti-drone means, and possibly a revision of the layout of tanks and other vehicles. However, while they are gone, artisans have to take the rap: cook “canopies,” install sections with grates, nets, and the like. Sometimes it turns out to be a masterpiece and functional, and sometimes it’s quite the opposite.

The same “Tsar-Grill”, if it is positioned as a super-tool that can radically increase the security of a tank, is exactly the opposite of this.

More problems than benefits


On the one hand, the admiration of military bloggers can be understood, and the practical value of the “hangar” is of some kind, but it is there. After all, it is made from scrap materials - it seems from corrugated sheeting from a fence or roof, and covers almost all vulnerable areas of the tank. Therefore, for “buzzers” with grenades strapped to their “fuselages,” the target is at least difficult to hit. And also for many grenade launchers and guided missiles - spaced armor.

On the other hand, this enthusiasm completely forgets the fact that equipping tanks with similar designs reduces their combat capabilities to almost zero. After all, if anyone has forgotten, one of the main qualities of a tank is the ability to maneuver fire due to the rotating turret. And, as you can see, with the “hangar” you can forget about it - all that the “embrasure” of this colossus will give is literally a couple of tens of degrees of rotation of the gun on the sides.


Here we can also add a critical reduction in the crew’s situational awareness, which is not very good for any tank even without walls blocking the entire view. And with them, there’s no point at all - look only forward and maximum back (if there is no wall behind). How tankers will find targets to hit, fully interact with other vehicles in the group and simply navigate the terrain is a big question.

At the same time, one cannot ignore the fact that a “hangar” of this type will complicate the crew’s exit from the tank and will turn its carrier, in the full sense of the word, into a clumsy turtle, unable to move normally in urban areas - at best, it will simply break the entire superstructure.

So, making a semi-blind self-propelled gun from a fully combat-ready tank, capable of hitting targets in different directions solely by turning the chassis in exchange for improved protection, is already something of a misuse of military property. Moreover, the very appearance of “Tsar-Grill”, oddly enough, is direct proof of this.

The fact is that the reason for the creation of this monster, which excited the public, was a banal breakdown of the T-72. According to sources, including the Lostarmour portal, after a shell hit the tank, the turret rotation mechanism completely failed, and it could no longer be repaired on site. It seems to drive, even shoot, but it was impossible to come into direct contact with the enemy on it. This is where the idea of ​​equipping this vehicle with a “country house” (quote from a source) came up for the purpose of further use as a self-propelled gun.

Note that the inability to rotate the turret is also visible in all published videos, both without an electronic warfare station on the roof and with it - the tank’s gun was always turned slightly to the right and is in a stationary state.

Well, in general, the ingenuity worked as it should - they brought the tank into combat condition and used it as best it could. In the role of a sort of assault vehicle, walking at the head of battle formations and capable of making passages in minefields under enemy fire. And they used it quite successfully, but this is not a reason to make a wunderwaffe out of the Tsar-Grill - for fully operational machines, field inventors have more practical shielding methods that do not interfere with shooting and observation.
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  1. +16
    April 20 2024 05: 09
    The same “Tsar-Grill”, if it is positioned as a super-tool that can radically increase the security of a tank, is exactly the opposite of this.

    It is impossible not to agree with this. Yes
    The fact is that the reason for the creation of this monster, which excited the public, was a banal breakdown of the T-72. According to sources, including the Lostarmour portal, after a shell hit the tank, the turret rotation mechanism completely failed, and it could no longer be repaired on site. It seems to drive, even shoot, but it was impossible to come into direct contact with the enemy on it. This is where the idea of ​​equipping this vehicle with a “country house” (quote from a source) came up for the purpose of further use as a self-propelled gun.

    But we don’t know this for sure. No.
    I fully admit that another “genius of military thought” came up with the idea to “modernize” a completely serviceable tank in this way. In any case, damaged and faulty vehicles have no place on the front line, since the price for using uncombat-ready tanks is the life and health of the crew.
    1. +19
      April 20 2024 06: 04
      All this suggests that all the successes of the SVO are the result ONLY of the courage and ingenuity of the Russian soldier.
      1. -20
        April 20 2024 06: 37
        Yes Yes. Again out of spite and in spite of? Don't talk nonsense. It's embarrassing to read
        1. +12
          April 20 2024 09: 07
          Quote from Pablo Blade
          Again out of spite and in spite of?

          Can you imagine, yes, contrary to that. Remember how mobilization was carried out, no supplies, no normal equipment, when they bought everything with their own money, when there were no supplies of drones, and all this was from the enemy. When mobilization was carried out through one place. At this time, during the period of mobilization, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces were at the peak of supplies, they were somehow able to survive. All supplies for the army are being built in the same way, terminators are listed in the regiment, but in fact there are none. Assault groups should generally be super-duper equipped, but in fact, again, there is nothing of this. There are so many things to list, but the sheet would be too long. Where is it all?
          And if earlier “in spite of” it was a fantasy, now it is an accomplished fact.
        2. +11
          April 20 2024 11: 05
          Yes Yes. Again out of spite and in spite of? Don't talk nonsense. It's embarrassing to read

          If you mean the victories of the Red Army and the USSR in the Second World War, then it was under the leadership of Stalin and the communists that the people defeated the entire fascist Europe.
          And now, while the country’s leadership is paying the enemy a lot of money, making goodwill gestures and other agreements to the enemy, the Minister of Defense is busy showing off, our people are collecting pennies for drones, first aid kits, thermal imagers, thermal underwear, and treatment for our soldiers.
          And you should be ashamed, because you cover up criminals and their crimes.
          1. +3
            April 20 2024 19: 48
            Having previously lost everything before Moscow 5 months...
            If only current with losses, Tymoshenko and Zhukov fought in 1941, and they would have wrested a little territory from the Reich - Stalin would have kissed their feet...
            our people collect pennies for drones, first aid kits, thermal imagers, thermal underwear, and treatment for our soldiers.- war bonds are strictly obligatory for purchase in the Second World War, did you accidentally forget?
            "the defense minister is busy showing off - are you talking about the ostentatious T-35 (then Armata lol ) also accidentally forgot? Or about "Little bloodshed!! On foreign territory!! "" apparently Shoigu said???
            1. +9
              April 20 2024 23: 23
              Quote: your1970
              having lost everything before Moscow 5 months...
              If, with the current losses, Tymoshenko and Zhukov had fought in 1941 and even wrested a little territory from the Reich, Stalin would have kissed their feet...

              Well, after all, Hitler was not alone in attacking the USSR. Together with him, Romania and Finland immediately followed, and then the rest caught up. And Germany had the initiative - it started with the best ground army in the World at that time.
              But we fell on the used one, and assistance for its artillery and missile systems began to arrive only in the summer of 2022. So we had the initiative, as well as technical and qualitative superiority. But we had already lost the initiative by August, except for “gestures of goodwill”.
              And if Stalin, on the eve of the war, did everything that was in the power of the State to prepare for war and to equip the Army, then by 2022 we arrived with empty mobilization warehouses (uniforms, equipment, communications, UAVs, etc., etc., etc. ), a tiny peacetime army and an unprepared reserve. And with the depressing quality of leadership of the military department. And we had against us not the best army in the World, but an enraged former own province.
              But we fight out both that and this war using the strong-willed, fighting and creative qualities of our own People. Without his unity in the face of a common threat, neither then, nor even more so now, we would have reversed the negative course of events. So the criticism of the current authorities for preparing for the SVO is more than fair. How true it is that the current government, still overcoming its own laziness and inertia, nevertheless decided to accept the challenge and wage the war, I hope, until a victorious end. And she even became concerned about her own Industry, and not just export trade. Albeit with a kick of failure at the beginning of the SVO.
              I hope that, by analogy with the Second World War, we are now on the eve of the Belarusian offensive operation.
              1. -2
                April 20 2024 23: 35
                And if Stalin, on the eve of the war, did everything that was in the power of the State to prepare for war and to equip the Army, then by 2022 we arrived with empty mobilization warehouses (uniforms, equipment, communications, UAVs, etc., etc., etc. ), a tiny peacetime army and an unprepared reserve I'll humbly remind you about Finnish. When Northern the country is going to war with North country and also in winter - at a minimum, she must stock up on sheepskin coats, hats, and skis for the infantry. As well as antifreeze, oils and other heaters for equipment and l/s.
                And no, all this didn’t happen for some reason...
                Therefore, when the new authorities kick us for something, we must clearly remember that this happened before. Everything is in a spiral - strictly according to the classics.
                "I hope that, by analogy with the Second World War, we are now on the eve of the Belarusian offensive operation.' the main thing is that country 404 does not turn out to be Soviet-Finnish and June 1941 does not come
                1. +1
                  April 21 2024 02: 07
                  Quote: your1970
                  the main thing is that country 404 does not turn out to be Soviet-Finnish and June 1941 does not come

                  So, for the Russian Federation, the North Military District turned out to be, like the Finnish company, a training one. How many bugs have already been corrected, the number doubled+ (total), equipment improved, communications, UAVs, control systems, equipment, ammunition production. Only with Finland we figured it out much faster then. But the current scale is still much higher. About an order of magnitude.
                  1. +3
                    April 21 2024 08: 08
                    Only with Finland we figured it out much faster then. But the current scale is still much higher. About an order of magnitude. It’s impossible to disagree with this. And thank God - we learn from our mistakes. And this gives hope...
              2. +1
                April 23 2024 09: 10
                Germany did not have the best army. It was absolutely unsuited to a protracted war, attacking the rear, and advancing across large territories. Plus, the Fuhrer analysts did not calculate that even with enormous success, even with the capture of Moscow, the Russians would not sign the capitulation. After even Moscow, just hell on earth would await them.
                1. 0
                  April 23 2024 15: 41
                  Quote: Igor Viktorovich
                  Germany did not have the best army. It was absolutely unsuited to a protracted war, attacking the rear, and advancing across large territories.

                  And still the best. It was then and precisely according to the main parameters:
                  - training of personnel, both individually and as part of a unit.
                  - training of non-commissioned officers,
                  - the quality of the officer corps, the ability to make independent decisions in a complex and rapidly changing environment, the ability to show personal initiative and act unconventionally, to improvise within the framework of the assigned task.
                  - the highest quality of work of headquarters and operational planning, organization of combat interaction, incl. and interspecific, well-functioning communications, reconnaissance, operational management, logistics, supply organization, etc. What other armies of the world could only dream of at that time.
                  And this army had already fought victoriously for two years, taking control of almost all of Europe and defeating its strongest armies.
                  A young journalist, who helped Marshal Zhukov in writing his “Memories and Reflections”, recorded and edited his memoirs, during a break in work asked him, unable to resist:
                  - Georgy Konstantinovich, but why then in 1941 and 1942? Did the Red Army suffer such terrible defeats? Were the Germans really that strong?
                  Zhukov, turning purple and barely restraining his anger, answered with emphasis:
                  - Do you even understand, my dear, WHO we fought with in that war? After all, it was the strongest, most modern and best trained army in the World! Which by that time had already been waging a victorious war for two years and was at the peak of its form!
                  Both Churchill and Eisenhower had the same opinion about the German army.
                  Our Army caught up with the German one in training and level of operational skill only at the time of the Battle of Kursk. And from the moment of the Belarusian Strategic Operation, quality leadership unambiguously and unconditionally passed to the then Soviet Army. But this was already 1944.
                  Quote: Igor Viktorovich
                  She was absolutely unsuited to a protracted war

                  And yet, she fought for 6 years with the strongest armies in the world and, having the very limited resources of isolated Europe for such a war, showed literally miracles of strategic planning and operational excellence, military training and the quality of the officer corps. And the higher the honor that it was our Army that defeated this formerly best army in the world in 4 years of the most difficult war.
                  For the USA and England entered into a full-fledged war and opened a second front only in 1944, when after/as a result of the brilliant Belarusian operation the front collapsed, and Army Group Center simply ceased to exist and rapidly rolled back with its remnants.
                  Quote: Igor Viktorovich
                  strike in the rear, and advance across significant territories.

                  Tell this to three million of our soldiers who were surrounded and captured before the fall of 1943. My grandfather came out of encirclement near Kyiv, sewed through the forests...
                  1. 0
                    April 24 2024 05: 25
                    The best armies in the world end wars by reaching opposite borders, or by completely defeating the enemy. The Wehrmach did not even capture 30% of the territory of the USSR. I give you facts, and you give me fragmentary nuances. Well, then tell me who had better uniforms at Stalingrad..
                    1. 0
                      April 24 2024 13: 05
                      Quote: Igor Viktorovich
                      The best armies in the world end wars by reaching opposite borders, or by completely defeating the enemy.

                      No one could be a champion forever. The Wehrmacht was the best army at the beginning of the war. By the time of the Battle of Kursk, parity had arrived. Since the Belarusian operation, the Soviet Army has been the undisputed champion in land warfare.
                      Quote: Igor Viktorovich
                      . The Wehrmach did not even capture 30% of the territory of the USSR.

                      Sounds stupid. But no one ever succeeded in doing more. War.
                      Quote: Igor Viktorovich
                      I give you the facts, and you give me fragmentary nuances.

                      This is evidence of illiteracy and underdevelopment.
                      It was a test of education.
                      You didn't pass it.
                      Speak in slogans, the analytical apparatus is not developed.
                      You don't like to study.
                      The teachers didn't try, the environment didn't develop.
                      Quote: Igor Viktorovich
                      Well, then tell us who had better uniforms at Stalingrad...

                      What do you know about uniforms?
                      Have you worn it?
                      What about the Soviet one?
                      I wore . Soviet. Officer's. And I was taught very well.
                  2. 0
                    April 24 2024 14: 32
                    “For the USA and England entered into a full-fledged war and opened a second front only in 1944,” well, yes, Russia is the birthplace of elephants. The landing in Sicily, which forced the Germans to curtail Operation Citadel and lose the initiative, can be ignored; Operation Big Flogging can also be forgotten, as it were...
                    1. 0
                      April 24 2024 23: 26
                      Quote: Jagdhund
                      the second front was opened only in 1944

                      We are talking about landing in continental Europe. Specifically in Normandy, when the second front was opened.
                      Quote: Jagdhund
                      The landing in Sicily, which forced the Germans to curtail Operation Citadel and lose the initiative,

                      Operation Citadel had already failed by that time.
                      In addition, before the landing in Sicily there was a landing in Algeria, a war at sea and the US war with Japan in the Pacific.
            2. +3
              April 21 2024 08: 41
              If, with the current losses, Tymoshenko and Zhukov had fought in 1941 and even wrested a little territory from the Reich, Stalin would have kissed their feet...

              Awesome statement lol Why don’t you compare the Northern Military District with the liberation of Moldova and Bessarabia under Stalin, where not a single Red Army soldier died? Not profitable? But Romania was then much stronger than Ukraine and its ally was Hitler’s Reich and there was no nuclear missile shield.
              The SVO must be compared with the liberation of Ukraine under Lenin, where Lenin pitted the Makhno and Yaponchik gangs against the Nazis of Petlyura and the Red Army finished off the remnants of the gangs and Nazis and occupied ALL of Ukraine without any meat grinders. And what have the current conductors of Gestures of Goodwill and the architects and defenders of the non-alternative Minsk agreements achieved in 2 years of the North Military District?
              And in two years Lenin defeated the whites and the armies of 14 states, which they brought to kill the Russians, and also annexed Ukraine, Belarus, Central Asia, Georgia, Azerbaijan to Russia, and Armenia laid the fusion of the Soviet people, which was strengthened by Stalin and the armies were broken against this fusion Europe.
              Did you also accidentally forget about the ostentatious T-35 (then Armata lol)?

              In addition to hundreds of T-35s, the Stalinist USSR built tank-building, aircraft-building and many other industries that produced the best medium tank of the Second World War, the T-34, times more than all of fascist Europe, and in addition produced the KV-1 and KV-2, IS-1, IS-2 and a bunch of self-propelled guns.
              The remains of the factories built by Stalin, which the current government has not demolished, are the only thing our country has from the military-industrial complex. And we see what the current government has built in 35 years in the Northern Military District. Drones from the great Iran, shells from the mighty DPRK, walkie-talkies and thermal imagers from China lol
              1. -1
                April 21 2024 09: 24
                Why don’t you compare the Northern Military District with the liberation of Moldova and Bessarabia under Stalin, where not a single Red Army soldier died? Not profitable? And Romania was much stronger then than Ukraine- in Romania there were tanks and an air force?? lol

                And Lenin defeated the whites and the armies of 14 states in two years, which they brought to kill Russians won? Having an army of 5 million against a bunch of whites and a bunch of interventionists?
                It was a sin not to disperse the “white armies” - who from Samara (a 2-day journey by train, even at that time by railway) instead of going to Moscow, rushed to Kazan for the dough...
                When the Czechoslovak rebel corps numbering 50 controlled 000 km of railway from Penza to Vladikava seriously about war?
                Azerbaijan- 4 armored trains arrived and the state won belay lol lol
                built tank building, aircraft manufacturing and many other industries - bought- that’s more accurate.

                the best medium tank of the Second World War T-34 times more than that mediocrity like "Let's beat the scoundrel Guderian!" were lost in astronomical quantities?

                Drones from the great Iran, shells from the mighty DPRK, walkie-talkies and thermal imagers from China lol - go to NORTH the country of Finland in winter - WITHOUT short fur coats, hats, skis, stoves - only the USSR could.
                1. +6
                  April 21 2024 10: 06
                  [quote]there were tanks and an air force in Romania??[/quote]
                  And what did Ukraine have in 2014, when Strelkov’s detachment of 50 people held Slavinsk for several months against the ENTIRE Ukrainian army? Or should Stalin have waited 10 years for the Romanians to make an army like your geostratekh?
                  [quote]Having an army of 5 million against a bunch of whites and a bunch of interventionists?[/quote]
                  Lenin simply created the Red Army out of nothing, and the Whites simply had an army, but they fell in love with everything, although the whole world helped them!
                  What prevented the leadership of the Russian Federation from simply starting the Northern Military District in 2014 and simply occupying all of Ukraine and annexing it to the Russian Federation?
                  [quote] built tank building, aircraft manufacturing and many other industries - bought - that’s more accurate.[/quote]
                  What prevented the current government from demolishing, for example, ZiL, but simply purchasing new equipment and simply launching the production of new vehicles? And what did it all have to do with workers and engineers and workshops and money? But Stalin needed to build these workshops, scrape together money to purchase equipment and train personnel? What's the matter, because everything is so simple for you?
                  It’s just that Stalin invested money in OUR country and not in enemy countries and in trinkets, and therefore Stalin SIMPLY built, JUST created a superpower and simply won, unlike your constantly whining and complaining geostratekh, who loved everything he could get his hands on!
                  [/quote]which mediocrities like “Beat the scoundrel Guderian!” lost in astronomical quantities?[/quote]
                  In your Russophobic reality depicted by the CIA, this was the case. You can also sing about the 30 thousand tanks destroyed in 1941 and the German aces who pictured hundreds of downed planes for themselves lol
                  [quote]only the USSR could go to the NORTH country of Finland in winter - WITHOUT sheepskin coats, hats, skis, stoves.[/quote]
                  Another favorite fairy tale of Russophobes. Well, tell us how, in THREE months of fighting, the ragamuffins from the Red Army persuaded the tough Finnish army, which the whole world helped, to capitulate and why the Finns COMPLETELY complied with Stalin’s demands? And at the same time, tell us about our achievements in the Northern Military District for two years, why we haven’t started yet!
                  1. 0
                    April 21 2024 15: 05
                    In your Russophobic reality depicted by the CIA, this was the case.-
                    Yep ...
                    Exactly at my and not in your mythical reality - the Red Army had almost 10 total losses in 200 days near Minsk - for which Comrade Stalin gave an ass from his post NGSH Comrade Zhukov.
                    About whom Comrade Rokossovsky wrote that “K headquarters and teaching work - not suitable "...

                    “Well, tell us how in THREE months of fighting the ragamuffins from the Red Army”
                    Daily total losses - 4000 people
                    Daily average tank losses - 26 units
                    About 5 people were captured by the defending(!!!) Finland.
                    As a result of the Finnish company, it was necessary to urgently give a jackass from the post of People's Commissar to a member of the Tsaritsyn Defense cooperative, Comrade Voroshilov. And this is not Russophobia, not the machinations of the CIA - he craps himself so badly on the whole world that Stalin had nowhere to go

                    "cool Finnish army," - 6-fold superiority in infantry.
                    Tanks??? - so they then TROPHY T-26s were used almost until 1960; there weren’t any of our own...
                    Artillery? 3-inch Tsarist and anti-tank Bofors (which could scratch the paint on a KV, no more)
                    Aviation - yes, all of it was imported
                    What else is there cool did the Finnish army have?
                    1. +1
                      April 21 2024 17: 53
                      I’ve already forgotten a lot about this topic, but I couldn’t restrain myself and I’ll chime in with my remark.
                      Quote: your1970
                      “cool Finnish army,” - 6-fold superiority in infantry.
                      Tanks???

                      Quote: your1970
                      “Well, tell us how in THREE months of fighting the ragamuffins from the Red Army”
                      Daily total casualties - 4000 people
                      Daily average tank losses - 26 units
                      About 5 people were captured by the defending(!!!) Finland.

                      A controversial statement to say the least.
                      But most of all, your words about the fact that they invaded without sheepskin coats hurt. Have you seen how they supplied the mobilized, the quality of our equipment compared to Ukrainian? Have you heard about the 1.5 million sets of missing uniforms?
                      Quote: your1970
                      in 10 days near Minsk almost 200 total losses - for which comrade

                      Do you know our losses in the Northern Military District so that we can compare them? I know the losses of my regiment and in what situations, the picture is unpleasant.
                      But even with all this, with the failed mobilization, the failure of the first stage of the Northern Military District, one big boss did not draw any conclusions for a year, moreover, a shell famine developed, and this is provided that our industry was not evacuated.
                      I understand that comparisons are relative. There are many variables, the industry is not the same now, the enemy is different, there are many more countries against us. It’s difficult to compare, but I think the first year of the SVO was a failure and it’s strange that you deny it. You also have a positive attitude towards our command, at least they would have faced reprisals in the Second World War.
                      1. 0
                        April 22 2024 10: 44
                        But what hurt most were your words about the fact that they invaded without sheepskin coats it not mine words are statement fact made following the Finnish War in 1940. From a report to the People's Commissariat of Defense.
                        This is why a large number of frostbitten people are wearing budenovkas. belay and in greatcoats they began to fight...
                      2. +2
                        April 22 2024 13: 00
                        In relation to this topic of comparing the Northern Military District and the Finnish company, compare how the mobilized were equipped. And this is the main remark, it’s not just that there was bad equipment, everything was stolen there. Is this actually outright sabotage and has anyone been punished for this?
                      3. -1
                        April 22 2024 13: 37
                        Is this actually outright sabotage and has anyone been punished for this? -
                        Someone was punished for budenovki - in winter in Finland?
                        What difference does it make - it was stolen or the People's Commissar is a dumbass - if in the end the l/s is not in uniform?!! Great joy - the People's Commissar did not steal - if the soldiers are without underpants? ??
                      4. +2
                        April 22 2024 13: 49
                        Quote: your1970
                        Someone was punished for budenovki - in winter in Finland?

                        And I don’t justify Soviet mistakes, to answer. I made a remark regarding our command, whose mistakes you don’t want to notice and do your best to avoid uncomfortable remarks about his mistakes. You say that we have such an excellent command, you defend Shoigu so enthusiastically, but when it’s inconvenient to answer, you can only remember sheepskin coats, let’s not talk about losses, shell hunger, lost supplies, rampant theft, wow, so many pleasant topics and words addressed to our command arose in my head.
                      5. -1
                        April 22 2024 14: 06
                        You defend Shoigu so enthusiastically Yes Yes....
                        I'm talking about double standards - when they joyfully kick the authorities, forgetting that this has already happened (and maybe it was even worse)
                        don't talk about losses, why not? Daily loss of killed in the Second World War -5.
                        Losses according to Murza are 16 for Avdeevka (BBC writes about 000, American intelligence about 6 - well, let it be 641) - that’s 13 days of fighting in Stalingrad or 000 days near Minsk in 16.
                        Only Avdeevka was taken for 4 months...
                        Stalin would have awarded generals with orders for such losses....
                        shell hunger, Only Prigogine shouted about it.
                        lost supplies, widespread theft, - about the lost supply - without stoves and in budenovka to Finland - Alga!!!
                        Of the 56 generals executed during the Second World War, about 10 (I don’t remember more precisely) were shot for embezzlement. Even if the generals stole, then the lower level was obviously dragged as if they were out of their depth.
                        And these are just those who were spanked...

                        What has changed in the capitalist Russian Federation against the backdrop of the socialist USSR - if both are in fact the same during the wars of the 20-21st centuries???
                      6. +2
                        April 22 2024 14: 33
                        Are you seriously comparing losses in the Second World War with the Northern Military District in numerical terms? I won't even answer this.
                        Only Prigogine, you say? It’s all clear what the situation was in the Northern Military District. You are clearly not aware of the situation; again, I don’t see the point in explaining anything.
                        Again, back then generals were shot. I will repeat my question about the enormous thefts in our army. Someone responded, not even with a firing squad. Ahhh, well, if they weren’t punished, then there are no innocent people.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Even if the generals stole, then the lower level was obviously dragged as if they were out of their depth.
                        And these are just those who were spanked...

                        But this is generally beyond the bounds of reason, you yourself invented it, and you also present your assumptions as an argument. That is, if they shot a lot, then they stole a lot, therefore if no one was punished now, then no one stole? Doesn’t the thought occur to you that they fought against it then, but not now?
                        Regarding what has changed, it is difficult for me to judge, the SVO is still ongoing, fortunately there are positive changes, but I will say that our command frankly failed the first year of the SVO. General theft and theft, completely unorganized mobilization. But, following your logic, since no one was punished, then everything is fine.
                    2. +2
                      April 21 2024 20: 13
                      It is in my and not your mythical reality that the Red Army had almost 10 total losses in 200 days near Minsk, for which Comrade Stalin gave Comrade Zhukov a blow from the post of National General Staff.

                      In fact, Zhukov left on his own and not after Minsk, to which he had nothing to do with at all, but after Stalin did not agree with his proposal to surrender Kyiv. You should at least read a normal book on the history of the Second World War instead of the Russophobic crap published under the editorship of the CIA.
                      As for losses, your favorite geostratekh killed 40 thousand of our boys in just one regional center, Avdevka.
                      Who are you for? For fascist Europe or for the Americans who sat behind a puddle throughout the war? Maybe you are for the Vlasovites and the Cossacks of Gruppenführer SS Krasnov?
                      As a result of the Finnish company, it was necessary to urgently give a jackass from the post of People's Commissar to a member of the Tsaritsyn Defense cooperative, Comrade Voroshilov.

                      This is where the difference lies. Stalin realized after three months of fighting that Voroshilov was not capable of a modern war and removed him from command, and your geostratekh, two years of war, is not able to understand that Shoigu and his warriors and rafters are not capable of any kind of war at all.
                      And as a result of the Finnish war, our border does not pass along the current outskirts of St. Petersburg, but to the west of Vyborg, Lake Ladoga is completely ours, as well as strategically important islands in the Gulf of Finland. You have to be a fool or a traitor not to understand WHY Stalin started this war and what results he achieved. It’s not like you storm Maryinka head-on for two years and leave intact the bridges across the Dnieper, along which shells and weapons are transported to the enemy!
                      1. 0
                        April 22 2024 10: 31
                        Actually, Zhukov left on his own and not after Minsk, to which he had nothing to do with at all - what are you talking about???
                        Not related at all???? Just completely???
                        The NGSh of the Red Army has nothing to do with the Red Army at all??
                        Cool ....
                        Then Stalin has nothing to do with everything pre-war does not have- LEGALLY he is the leader of the party and no LEGAL relationship to To the state The USSR does not.
                        All that has gone before BEFORE war LEGALLY not his achievements.
                        Unlike Comrade Zhukov - who everything regulations were one of the leaders of the Red Army

                        As for losses, your favorite geostratekh killed 40 thousand of our boys in just one regional center, Avdevka.
                        belay
                        Wow what... 40 000 killed...
                        For the sake of kicking the authorities, you could have written more, but you wrote it out of the blue anyway

                        Murz wrote about 16 000 killed.
                        The BBC - Fr. 6641 killed
                        American intelligence - Fr. 13 000 killed.
                        This is a little different from “40”, don’t you think?

                        You should at least read a normal book on the history of the Second World War instead of the Russophobic crap published under the editorship of the CIA. well, read it - even in Soviet history textbooks wrote that in Finland, to put it mildly, they were profaned. And the lack of supplies is evidenced by the number of frostbite cases among soldiers.
                        And how they managed it near Rzhev - they modestly shut up until the collapse of the USSR...
                      2. +2
                        April 22 2024 19: 12
                        yes, what are you ???
                        Not related at all???? Just completely???
                        The NGSh of the Red Army has nothing to do with the Red Army at all??
                        Cool ....

                        You read Zhukov’s memoirs, everything is written there.
                        And stop comparing the Great Patriotic War with the Northern Military District, the enemy army does not have 6 million and there is no population of 400 million behind it like Hitler.
                        If you want to compare the Northern Military District with the victorious wars waged by the USSR under the leadership of Stalin, compare with the Japanese attack on the MPR and the victory of the Red Army in the operation on Khalkhin Goll, the Japanese army will be stronger than the current Ukrainian one. Compare with the operations against Poland and Romania in which Stalin returned our territories, even compare with the Finnish war, just stop quoting Goebbels’ nonsense about the lack of warm clothing in the Red Army.
                        Well, read it - even in Soviet history textbooks they wrote that in Finland, to put it mildly, they were profane. And the lack of supplies is evidenced by the number of frostbite cases among soldiers.

                        The Finnish war ended on the terms of the USSR, and as you know, the conditions are always dictated by the winner. And you can turn yourself inside out by retelling Russophobic tales written by the CIA for traitors and fools, but the fact remains a fact. The USSR achieved everything it wanted from Finland in three months of fighting with approximately the same number of troops as ours now in the Northern Military District. And what has Putin’s Russian Federation achieved in two years of the Northern Military District and much greater losses than the Red Army in the Winter War.
                        And what do you propose? Return Vyborg and part of St. Petersburg to the Finns?
                        For the sake of kicking the authorities, you could have written more, but you wrote it out of the blue anyway

                        What don't you like? Or is it only you who can increase our losses?
                      3. 0
                        April 22 2024 20: 27
                        Or is it only you who can increase our losses? I can prove any of the Red Army loss figures I cited SOVIET sources of

                        You read Zhukov’s memoirs, everything is written there. - in Zhukov’s memoirs the beginning of the war is modestly kept silent. Even he understood that, as the General Staff of the Red Army, he had screwed himself up... Therefore, he stuck his tongue deeper about the beginning of the war...

                        even compare it with the Finnish war, just stop quoting Goebbels’ nonsense about the lack of warm clothing in the Red Army.

                        Goebbels belay belay belay was at the “Meeting of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks of the commanding staff to collect experience in combat operations against Finland” held on April 14-17, 1940????
                        Did Hitler know where his colleague had gone?
                        fool fool fool
                        At a meeting on April 14.04.1940, XNUMX, Kirponos speaks about Budenovka
                        At a meeting on 15.04 in the morning, Chernyak speaks about the wear and tear of the uniform in the division, Meretskov confirms that they arrived at boots with patches
                        At a meeting on April 15.04 in the evening, Chuikov says that the 44th Infantry Division arrived without felt boots and in leather shoes
                        At a meeting on April 16.04.1940, XNUMX, in the evening, Khrulev and a bunch of other people spoke about the lack of felt boots and mittens. By the way, it was at this meeting that the issue of uniforms was discussed for the longest time
                        And at the meeting on April 17.04.1940, XNUMX, Stalin reproached the military for a very long time - why did they bother for so long if the forces were many times greater??

                        And after that you have enough impudence say something about “Goebbels”???
                  2. 0
                    April 27 2024 00: 43
                    Everyone knows who the creator of the Red Army is, but Lenin. It was Trotsky!
      2. -1
        April 20 2024 11: 36
        Minus the stupidity, thievery and laziness of the Russian official.
        1. 0
          April 20 2024 21: 50
          It is not clear why there is such a heated discussion? Did this design fulfill its combat mission? Performed! Has the enemy been damaged? Damaged! Did you save the crew? Saved it! So it has the right to exist! Adjusted for creative comprehension! And there is no need to tear your vests and snap your teeth at your opponent! By the way, I read that a tank “lives” on the battlefield for no more than twenty minutes - therefore it is multimillion-dollar, but still a consumable item!
    2. 0
      April 21 2024 13: 30
      Quote: Bongo
      I fully admit that another “genius of military thought” came up with the idea to “modernize” a completely serviceable tank in this way.

      From previous videos, attacks on minefields were built according to one principle - the trawl is in front, and everyone else is behind it. The destruction of the trawl disrupted the attack and led to losses behind the following combat units. Strengthening the trawl-ram is very justified. He passes mines and frees up the field of action for a mechanized landing. It’s just that at the initial stage they laughed at the “Mangals”, now at the “Tsar-Mangals”, but this is the most effective ram for breaking through enemy minefields. He doesn’t have to shoot, look around. He must go forward, even if he sees only “to the front,” like a horse with blinkers.
  2. +6
    April 20 2024 05: 35
    If you want to live, you won’t get so excited.....
  3. -10
    April 20 2024 05: 52
    It is surprising that for ordinary civilian fpv drones, modern electronic warfare and air defense turned out to be completely powerless.
    1. +1
      April 20 2024 07: 37
      There is a video where our tank with a slave is scampering along an intersection, and about 5 helpless drones are lying nearby...
      1. +3
        April 20 2024 09: 13
        This barbecue still suggests that it is not very possible to suppress
  4. +12
    April 20 2024 05: 54
    If tanks are used as assault weapons, then it is logical that they do not need a rotating turret, and in fact, in the war that is going on now, the main battle tank is not needed, heavy breakthrough tanks and assault guns are needed. No one in the world has either of these, so whoever messes with something is at war with him.
  5. +16
    April 20 2024 06: 10
    The absence and large losses of standard demining vehicles, both old and especially new, FORCES us to take other measures. This “Tsar-Mangal” was precisely used as a heavy mine clearance vehicle. And on the eve of the future summer campaign, where both our and the Ukrainian side will attempt to break through the lines of defense prepared in engineering terms, it is necessary not only to manufacture, accumulate and prepare such machines, but also to learn how to effectively fight them.
    The enemy is far from stupid and he uses our experience in creating such machines, since he has plenty of faulty equipment...
    1. +2
      April 20 2024 18: 01
      "Tsar-Mangal" was developed at Donetsk research institutes and protects the original T-72B from fpv drones.
  6. +8
    April 20 2024 06: 25
    From my point of view, it’s time to think about creating assault guns like the ISU-152, or the Sturmtiger, of course, in accordance with current realities and on a new technical basis. It was the ISU-152 that played an important role in the capture of German forts in Breslau and Koenigsberg, and then Japanese fortified areas.

    40 kg 152 caliber from a distance of several hundred meters is a terrible force. No stronghold of the Ukrainian Armed Forces can withstand.
    1. +1
      April 20 2024 07: 02
      From my point of view, it’s time to think about creating assault guns like the ISU-152, or the Sturmtiger, of course, in accordance with current realities and on a new technical basis. It was the ISU-152 that played an important role in the capture of German forts in Breslau and Koenigsberg, and then Japanese fortified areas.

      I support. I wrote last winter that the tank’s gun should be a 152-mm howitzer with B-20 ballistics, actually a 2S3 in self-propelled form. As well as the fact that all these streamlined shapes and squatness can be counted on in the presence of drones.
      An assault tank does not need record mobility, therefore, one should think about adequately increasing protection not from BOPS, but from cumulative ammunition - drones and ATGMs, and a rapid-fire remote-controlled large-caliber machine gun mount will also help against drones. Well, the tank itself must be equipped with an uninterrupted communication system with escort drones.
      1. -2
        April 20 2024 11: 09
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        .... An assault tank does not need record mobility, therefore you should think about adequately increasing protection not from BOPS, but from cumulative ammunition - drones and ATGMs
        Any self-propelled gun with a barbecue and a 152mm caliber gun meets these requirements.
        1. -1
          April 20 2024 16: 10
          Any self-propelled gun with a barbecue and a 152mm caliber gun meets these requirements.

          Does not match. Alas.
          The grill is good against a makeshift drone, not a tandem. The assault tank is an "Acacia" in terms of fire capabilities and a meter long chubham in terms of anti-cumulative protection. And the main thing is for him to work with assault groups, so KAZ is excluded.
          1. +1
            April 20 2024 21: 58
            It’s not a fact that you will have to give up kaza. If you look at the video of the use of tanks, the infantry very rarely hangs around the tanks. Even when fighting in the city. Usually the tanks are on their own and the infantry are on their own. It is very difficult for infantry to survive next to tanks in modern combat. Usually the infantry is planted next to some kind of shelter, such as a forest belt.
  7. -5
    April 20 2024 06: 37
    Well, the author is simply an awesome expert in combat (though sitting with his ass on the sofa). Forward to the front, and then we’ll see your nightingale singing - This is not so and This is not the same.
    Well done guys, they are doing everything according to the situation at the moment. WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. +8
      April 20 2024 06: 47
      the author is simply an AWESOME expert on combat (though sitting with his ass on the sofa)

      Well, why immediately?
      I’m the same too, but I think you’re not writing from the trenches either.
      1. -4
        April 20 2024 09: 12
        Quote: Architect
        Yes, I think you’re not writing from the trenches either.

        So he doesn’t get smart, doesn’t say what and how. So to the point, the remark is that it is easy to criticize from the sofa; to put it another way, there is even a saying: “everyone fancies himself a strategist when he sees the battle from the sidelines.”
    2. +2
      April 20 2024 08: 36
      The author, unlike you, has a reputation as a professional in the field of armored vehicles.
      1. -5
        April 20 2024 08: 45
        It was the professionals in the field of armored vehicles who destroyed the heavy tanks and self-propelled guns.
  8. -7
    April 20 2024 07: 08
    reduces their combat abilities to almost zero.
    Who decided that? Sofa expert?
    All these:
    situational awareness of the crew, the ability to maneuver fire, interact with other vehicles in the group and simply navigate the terrain (the same much-hyped network-centrism)
    This all looks good and works perfectly only in advertising brochures of the lying West.
    Well, about the pearl
    a clumsy turtle, unable to move normally in urban areas
    The author does not recall when tanks moved in dense multi-story buildings on the front line. A year, maybe two ago, or during the regrouping from Kharkov? So, by the time we return to Kharkov, this bandura can be removed and put back 100 times.
    But the most important thing, of course, is network centrism. Now, if there was one, then everyone could be defeated with just this word, worse than the use of strategic nuclear weapons.
    1. +6
      April 20 2024 17: 58
      Quote: Electrical
      Who decided that? Sofa expert?

      Actually, the author is one of the few real tankers who writes about tanks. You're the clown here, my friend. tongue
      1. -3
        April 20 2024 18: 13
        Actually, the author is one of the few real tankers who writes about tanks. You're the clown here, my friend. tongue
        So, did this real tanker suggest something better for protection against drones? We have a whole bunch of people like him. They sit and babble: “In our time, nothing more than an acre of logs hung on a tank. We don’t need all this. Your rogue drones are children’s toys.”
        1. +5
          April 20 2024 18: 48
          Quote: Electrical
          We have a whole bunch of people like him. They sit and boo

          Unlike the “whole general staff,” Perov touched tanks with his hands and directly commanded them. I understand him and I also support his scolding about this circus with barbecues and barns. These are extremely poor solutions to the problem, which do not provide any guarantees but often increase crew losses.
  9. +10
    April 20 2024 07: 14
    Well, the “people’s barbecue” appeared at Army 2020 in Volgograd, there was also a closure hanging with solarium poured in and welded on the counter. Then it started, it was first intended against the Javelins, as conceived by the authors. And then the same “folk art” - drones appeared and it turned out that the “barbecue” was the only protection against them. I would like to ask a question, where is military science, scientific and technological complex, design bureau, etc. Okay, the BTV Academy has long been “optimized”, even during the “Serdyukovism”, and our tankers have only seen KAZs at exhibitions for many years. The result is “folk art” super-barbecue.
  10. +4
    April 20 2024 07: 25
    When we fight with Soviet “galoshes” in a drone war, the soldier has to get out of it in order to survive and carry out the order. We've been fighting for three years now, but things are still there. You know, I would run this “barbecue” at a parade across Red Square, in case Putin would feel ashamed. He has been in power for more than 20 years and has done nothing outstanding. He turned the country from a super Power into a pariah country, and he himself is facing criminal charges. And he walks around smiling. Everything suits him!
    1. -9
      April 20 2024 09: 32
      Well, the Pig Reich tried to fight with fresh German “galoshes” Leo A6, the result was disastrous. Unfortunately, 5 years ago no one would have thought that a small motor and a “carrot” attached to it would destroy tanks. I very much doubt that the same Americans were quickly able to solve the problem with a portable reb for equipment. Our problem will be solved, but time means human lives.
      1. +1
        April 20 2024 09: 38
        "Well, the Pig Reich tried to fight.."
        When a person is mediocre, he always looks for an excuse. Be responsible for yourself and your affairs!
        1. -8
          April 20 2024 09: 48
          Are you sober at the moment?
    2. +1
      April 20 2024 09: 33
      Quote: steel maker
      When we fight with Soviet “galoshes” in a drone war, the soldier has to get out of it in order to survive and carry out the order. We've been fighting for three years now, but things are still there. You know, I would run this “barbecue” at a parade across Red Square, in case Putin would feel ashamed. He has been in power for more than 20 years and has done nothing outstanding. He turned the country from a super Power into a pariah country, and he himself is facing criminal charges. And he walks around smiling. Everything suits him!

      Of course, I don’t work at an armored tank factory, but could you please show me at least ONE NATO MBT that does not go back to the times of the USSR? Let me just remind you that Leclerc is a little younger. Early 90s. The rest of the new items are only in South Korea and Japan.
      1. 0
        April 20 2024 10: 01
        "but would you mind telling me..."
        Well, if during the 20 years of his reign, he couldn’t create anything himself - he couldn’t build anything, then maybe it’s worth apologizing and admitting that he was wrong about the statement about “galoshes”. Or if Putin is ashamed and you defend his mediocrity, then apologize for him. Admit your mistakes! Otherwise they “messed up”, and it’s all Lenin and Stalin’s fault!
        1. -6
          April 20 2024 10: 10
          Did I understand correctly, you call our gunsmiths and our present “mediocre”? You're probably better, right? And could you do better?
        2. -3
          April 20 2024 10: 29
          Quote: steel maker
          "but would you mind telling me..."
          Well, if during the 20 years of his reign, he couldn’t create anything himself - he couldn’t build anything, then maybe it’s worth apologizing and admitting that he was wrong about the statement about “galoshes”. Or if Putin is ashamed and you defend his mediocrity, then apologize for him. Admit your mistakes! Otherwise they “messed up”, and it’s all Lenin and Stalin’s fault!

          First of all, I am not defending ANYONE. Thirdly, I just wanted to point out that NO ONE in the world, with the exception of the South Caucasus and Japan, has made new MBTs from scratch. In addition, Putin is not my president, but YOURS. I am not Russian and not from Russia.
    3. +5
      April 20 2024 10: 22
      . Everything suits him!


      And so it is. Everything suits him. It's true. He's not lying.
  11. +3
    April 20 2024 07: 43
    So, making a semi-blind self-propelled gun from a fully combat-ready tank, capable of hitting targets in different directions solely by turning the chassis in exchange for improved protection, is already something of a non-target

    On the front line, our soldiers live a special life, incomprehensible to most. And all their inventions, even funny or ugly, but at the same time effective, are their additional chances to survive and at the same time complete the combat mission. Well done!!!
  12. +4
    April 20 2024 07: 54
    equipping tanks with similar designs reduces their combat capabilities to almost zero.

    Well - the creators and users of, say, ISU-152 or SU-100, I think, would not really agree with you...
  13. +7
    April 20 2024 08: 48
    Of course, you can analyze for a long time and draw conclusions about what is wrong. In fact, real combat showed the effectiveness of this concept. Everything else is from the evil one. The only thing is that during the Second World War, armored vehicles changed dramatically in three years, and now only in Omsk they began to cook barbecues at the factory for 80s. Judging by the fact that various new solutions are not being tested in the combat zone (there would already be various videos and messages), we can conclude that the horse is not lying down. This is the face of capitalism, the amount of money does not give technical knowledge and skills, and most importantly the desire to change something, if banal profit and preferably super-profit do not shine.
    1. 0
      April 22 2024 00: 00
      Our military-industrial complex is a very inert system. It will take a long time for everyone to get going and for the money to be divided. This is not World War II, where modifications appeared almost a month later.
  14. -4
    April 20 2024 09: 41
    Author, your thesis that the main advantage of the tank is the ability to maneuver fire is stupid, because it was the grill that showed effectiveness.
  15. Owl
    -1
    April 20 2024 09: 47
    This product goes ahead, like a “heavy” one, like a “shield fighter”, taking on everything that is aimed at the assault group, the same “volunteers”, these are “minesweepers” with KMT, their crews take on all the explosions - on themselves .
  16. +2
    April 20 2024 09: 57
    So it was never used as a tank. Most likely this is a really damaged car, perhaps even a captured one. The tank acted as a minesweeper-transporter. In this embodiment, the machine completed its task. In general, this shows an acute shortage of specialized machines, for example, mine clearance machines.
    1. -1
      April 20 2024 10: 42
      This is definitely not a minesweeper, there is no trawl, rather it takes on UAVs and ATGMs, and it doesn’t really need a turret, it’s like a ram, an SPG like Ferdinand.
      1. +2
        April 20 2024 11: 25
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        This is definitely not a minesweeper, there is no trawl,
  17. -6
    April 20 2024 10: 13
    Russia has a weapon capable of breaking through Ukronazi defenses - nuclear.
  18. +1
    April 20 2024 10: 15
    It was also possible to convert tanks from the Second World War into these barbecues, for example ISU-152, with direct fire and at the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. 0
      April 20 2024 10: 46
      It won’t work, you can rather create something new, only one problem, they quickly get used to and adapt to the new.
  19. +2
    April 20 2024 10: 32
    The author mocked to his heart's content. Only this is not a tank, but a mine trawl. And as such it requires a completely different analysis.
  20. +5
    April 20 2024 10: 36
    If it will save people's lives, then at least weld a Ferris wheel on top and clowns on the bumper - the main thing is that it is effective in the task.
  21. 0
    April 20 2024 10: 39
    What nonsense did I read? In the 21st century, the tank has actually turned into a battlefield self-propelled gun, hitting the enemy from 2 km or more. On the battle field you need, among other things, specialized tanks for the city (like the Terminator) and such monsters to break through the defense, the tower is good, but will you get to the position where the tower plays a role? Invulnerability will allow you to approach the enemy, distract a bunch of missiles and UAVs, and if you make a kind of radio-controlled car, saving on space for the crew and cost, increasing the reservation of the birdhouse, you can break it like a ram in the right places.
  22. +3
    April 20 2024 10: 42
    By analogy, it might be better to call this tank not “Tsar-Grill”, but “Iron Kaput”.
    1. +1
      April 20 2024 11: 19
      It has already been called a play on words prohibited on this resource. drinks
      https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Blyatmobile
  23. +1
    April 20 2024 11: 19
    I completely disagree with the author. No one calls for all tanks to be equipped this way, but for a specific operation the tank completely coped with the assigned task. In addition, there is a photo of a second tank equipped according to this scheme. This means that the soldiers are confident in the effectiveness of using such “barbecues”, and this is the main thing. And criticism or defamation is secondary here.
  24. -3
    April 20 2024 11: 35
    The author is a classic adherent of the RF Ministry of Defense - accepting weapons for 10 years and doing nothing due to the fact that according to the regulations it is not allowed or some other bureaucratic crap.
    - poor situational awareness? Yeah, but he’s running circles there like he’s crazy and clearing everything he can - it looks like he’s got enough awareness
    - can’t turn the turret? What a horror, of course, if I could spin it but at the same time I’m glad to be the victim of the first FPV drone it would be much better))
    Reality determines the parameters - and not the other way around, as various bureaucratic heads like to say. This thing works, and it works perfectly, which it has already proven.
    Instead of such harsh criticism, it would be better to write an article that in each tank platoon there should be one tsar-barbecue, and then the offensive would proceed at a faster pace and with fewer losses.
  25. +2
    April 20 2024 11: 37
    But I wonder if it is possible to make such a hangar semicircular and weld it to the tower,
    so that it covers all the sides and the back, but does not interfere with the turret’s rotation...

    Please criticize this idea.
    1. +2
      April 20 2024 23: 57
      Quote from Emperor_Alive
      But I wonder if it is possible to make such a hangar semicircular and weld it to the tower,
      so that it covers all the sides and the back, but does not interfere with the turret’s rotation...

      Please criticize this idea.

      The volume of the structure will increase greatly, and with it the mass that the tower may not be able to support.
      1. +1
        April 21 2024 00: 25
        Agree. But this requires calculations and design ingenuity.
        Of course, another disadvantage is that the width of the entire structure increases sharply.
        It may no longer be able to travel along the roads. Only in the fields...
  26. 0
    April 20 2024 12: 24
    The authors did not see the main consequences of the successful use of such a technique.
    1. Most combat missions do not require ultra-modern and sophisticated tanks. A self-propelled gun from the 40s with spaced armor or a tractor with a cannon on a trailer are examples to follow. Ideally, unmanned.
    2. The hangar must be made removable so that you can fight with it or without it. On the march and at rest, the tank is in the hangar, but during the attack - without. A hundred empty hangars will attract enemy UAVs and javelins...
    3. The production of such hangars cannot be considered a militarization of the economy. After the war they can be used as sheds and garages. Labor and materials will not be wasted...
    .
    Well, one last thing. The author mentioned 12 gauge carbines on the turrets. I understand this is against Javelins. It's nice that the right ideas are taking hold of the masses. But we need to support them, give them money, create separate temporary design bureaus for these tasks. The example with additional screens for tanks showed that existing structures in the Defense Ministry and defense industry are incapable of solving such “minor” problems. Do you remember how at the beginning of the Northern Military District officials decried anti-cumulative grilles and visors?
    But making a shotgun to shoot Javelin over a tank is extremely simple... You don’t even have to rotate it.
  27. 0
    April 20 2024 12: 39
    A twin brother has already appeared on the Internet, only the welded sheets there look much stronger. Apparently at the current stage, the concept of a ramming machine clearing the way for transports following it is justified.
  28. 0
    April 20 2024 14: 36
    The hangar tank is a normal theme, the fact that it is lined with all sorts of crap is good, not only that even if something is torn off you can always restore it, but this collective farm also camouflages the tank well against the background of the private sector destroyed by the war. That is, roughly speaking, if you park a tank next to a house, hide a gun in it and turn off the engine, it will be difficult to detect it, especially if you don’t know what to look for. Again, the crew is not visible under the hangar; they can go about their business without fear of being discovered.
  29. 0
    April 20 2024 15: 04
    Quote: Blackflag88
    Well, the Pig Reich tried to fight with fresh German “galoshes” Leo A6, the result was disastrous. Unfortunately, 5 years ago no one would have thought that a small motor and a “carrot” attached to it would destroy tanks. I very much doubt that the same Americans were quickly able to solve the problem with a portable reb for equipment. Our problem will be solved, but time means human lives.

    No. A small motor was provided for the bomb. And more than once. But there are many wise people in quotes...
  30. -1
    April 20 2024 15: 20
    Quote: George Sviridov
    The hangar tank is a normal theme, the fact that it is lined with all sorts of crap is good, not only that even if something is torn off you can always restore it, but this collective farm also camouflages the tank well against the background of the private sector destroyed by the war. That is, roughly speaking, if you park a tank next to a house, hide a gun in it and turn off the engine, it will be difficult to detect it, especially if you don’t know what to look for. Again, the crew is not visible under the hangar; they can go about their business without fear of being discovered.

    This is a minesweeper, its gun is not working. He didn’t shoot, but did his job and did it perfectly. Here's the whistling of "specialists"
  31. 0
    April 20 2024 16: 59
    Well, on the minibus they all have it turned slightly to the right.
    And in war, the guys want to protect themselves to the maximum, so the head begins to work more productively, apparently this distance and structural strength are enough for the warhead to fire and the cumulative jet does not reach the main armor.
  32. 0
    April 20 2024 18: 06
    The author is absolutely right! Such designs often cause more harm than good. The only, but significant, advantage of this barn is that the enemy does not really see the tank itself. Cannot aim at vulnerable areas. A huge disadvantage is the complete lack of visibility, and the inability to quickly leave the car in the event of a successful enemy hit.

    Let me remind you once again that the godfather calmly penetrates armor even a few meters from the grate or screen. But modern tandem ammunition completely ignores such screens.
  33. 0
    April 20 2024 20: 52
    This is called shushpanzer. They appear in any protracted wars where there is a shortage of one or another equipment. And I also want to use the beaten and broken one. So the collective farm begins.
    It may be resistant to buzzers, but what if a large-caliber projectile or ATGM is fired?
  34. 0
    April 21 2024 00: 05
    Quote: avia12005
    From my point of view, it’s time to think about creating assault guns like the ISU-152, or the Sturmtiger, of course, in accordance with current realities and on a new technical basis. It was the ISU-152 that played an important role in the capture of German forts in Breslau and Koenigsberg, and then Japanese fortified areas.

    40 kg 152 caliber from a distance of several hundred meters is a terrible force. No stronghold of the Ukrainian Armed Forces can withstand.


    Obviously, the Armata should be 152mm with variable charges.
    And the elongated turret (with ammunition carried into it) will allow you to install a large barbecue while maintaining the ability to rotate the turret. This will also cover the MTO zone, protect the armored capsule from being blown up inside the tank’s hull, and also free up space for a normal V12 instead of the X engine.
  35. 0
    April 21 2024 00: 14
    Quote: Saxahorse
    Quote: Electrical
    We have a whole bunch of people like him. They sit and boo

    Unlike the “whole general staff,” Perov touched tanks with his hands and directly commanded them. I understand him and I also support his scolding about this circus with barbecues and barns. These are extremely poor solutions to the problem, which do not provide any guarantees but often increase crew losses.


    This all reminds me of Patton’s struggle with sandbags and concrete. Meanwhile, Berlin was taken with beds on the sides.
    So a great post does not mean a great mind.
  36. 0
    April 21 2024 00: 19
    Quote: steel maker
    When we fight with Soviet “galoshes” in a drone war, the soldier has to get out of it in order to survive and carry out the order. We've been fighting for three years now, but things are still there. You know, I would run this “barbecue” at a parade across Red Square, in case Putin would feel ashamed. He has been in power for more than 20 years and has done nothing outstanding. He turned the country from a super Power into a pariah country, and he himself is facing criminal charges. And he walks around smiling. Everything suits him!


    Is it really nothing? Toto, 80% of the people voting for him are fools, they don’t understand how good Drunk and the other Marked Ones from the Central Committee were.

    The country is an outcast... well, not everyone likes to lick the euro's heels, so what. And this court is yours, just like your liberal schizophrenia, which is red on the outside - Russia was spinning in one place.
  37. 0
    April 21 2024 00: 24
    Quote from Vincent Price
    Author, your thesis that the main advantage of the tank is the ability to maneuver fire is stupid, because it was the grill that showed effectiveness.


    Fire maneuver against drones... The picture is almost comedic.
    But seriously - all book tank tactics are about safe maneuvering angles and massive tank battles.
  38. +1
    April 21 2024 00: 32
    Quote: _The Drifter_
    Of course, you can analyze for a long time and draw conclusions about what is wrong. In fact, real combat showed the effectiveness of this concept. Everything else is from the evil one. The only thing is that during the Second World War, armored vehicles changed dramatically in three years, and now only in Omsk they began to cook barbecues at the factory for 80s. Judging by the fact that various new solutions are not being tested in the combat zone (there would already be various videos and messages), we can conclude that the horse is not lying down. This is the face of capitalism, the amount of money does not give technical knowledge and skills, and most importantly the desire to change something, if banal profit and preferably super-profit do not shine.


    Omsk barbecues do not protect you from a drone. Drones hit the vulnerable part, and for the T80 it’s from behind/top. There is no armor there at all (there are filters, an engine and an exhaust) and this place cannot be covered with armor at all due to the design features.
    A bunch of videos where a drone flies from behind under a T80 turret and breaks through a high ammunition rack with instant detonation of the ammunition. On the T72m there is an additional DZ, and on the T80 there are filters, so on the T80 they are now cooking 2 barbecues at once - one on top of the tower and one above/behind above the Mto. The tower, like on this Turtle, stops rotating, but the crew works calmly.
    These are the realities that you reach in the trenches and which are not visible from the office and because of the huge shoulder straps.
    1. 0
      April 28 2024 18: 11
      Where did you write that the barbecue on the T-80 turret is effective against drones?!? The point was that only 2 years later they began to make the first factory barbecues! That the availability of finance and its quantity does not in any way affect the development and speed of production of new technical solutions, unless we are talking about excess profits for the enterprise. Words of appeal, human lives are secondary.
  39. 0
    April 21 2024 00: 34
    Quote: Totor5
    Quote: _The Drifter_
    Of course, you can analyze for a long time and draw conclusions about what is wrong. In fact, real combat showed the effectiveness of this concept. Everything else is from the evil one. The only thing is that during the Second World War, armored vehicles changed dramatically in three years, and now only in Omsk they began to cook barbecues at the factory for 80s. Judging by the fact that various new solutions are not being tested in the combat zone (there would already be various videos and messages), we can conclude that the horse is not lying down. This is the face of capitalism, the amount of money does not give technical knowledge and skills, and most importantly the desire to change something, if banal profit and preferably super-profit do not shine.


    Omsk barbecues do not protect you from a drone. Drones hit the vulnerable part, and for the T80 it’s from behind/top. There is no armor there at all (there are filters, an engine and an exhaust) and this place cannot be covered with armor at all due to the design features.
    A bunch of videos where a drone flies from behind under a T80 turret and breaks through a high ammunition rack with instant detonation of the ammunition. On the T72m there is an additional DZ, and on the T80 there are filters, so on the T80 they are now cooking 2 barbecues at once - one on top of the tower and one above/behind above the Mto. The tower, like on this Turtle, stops rotating, but the crew works calmly.
    The T90m has the same problems because of this ridiculous box at the back of the turret. Smart people pour stones there, and it turns out to be a kind of analogue of dz.
    These are the realities that you reach in the trenches and which are not visible from the office and because of the huge shoulder straps.
  40. 0
    April 21 2024 02: 14
    Quote: Saxahorse
    Quote: Electrical
    We have a whole bunch of people like him. They sit and boo

    Unlike the “whole general staff,” Perov touched tanks with his hands and directly commanded them. I understand him and I also support his scolding about this circus with barbecues and barns. These are extremely poor solutions to the problem, which do not provide any guarantees but often increase crew losses.

    .. was I the only one who saw the return of the minesweeper Mangal^ to base with the preservation of the crew?
  41. 0
    April 21 2024 08: 40
    Absolutely anyone understands that man has no place on the battlefield now.
    Therefore, the first one who makes mass-produced ground-based drones with machine guns, grenade launchers and other things that will cost cheap and are produced in hundreds of thousands will be the one who will rule the future war.
  42. 0
    April 21 2024 11: 40
    The turret is turned so that the driver can take his place.
  43. +1
    April 21 2024 14: 08
    The reasoning is very similar to “using ATGMs to fight drones is impractical, inconvenient, a waste of valuable property, and generally a stupid idea.” This tank idea is used for specific purposes in a specific location. I think that with appropriate escort and preliminary reconnaissance, so that he fights not with tanks and helicopters, but with infantry and fortifications (I hope so, and not as usual). In general, there is no need to pull an owl onto a stump.
  44. +1
    April 21 2024 16: 11
    In World War II, all warring parties successfully used self-propelled guns without a rotating turret. The existing angle of horizontal aiming of the gun and rotation of the tracks was quite sufficient to solve well-defined combat missions. On the body of such a self-propelled gun with a caliber of 152-203 mm, you can mount very powerful passive and active protection against anti-tank systems and cumulative drone ammunition. And install a small-caliber automatic cannon on top in an uninhabited tower. It's time to return the ISU-152 to service!
  45. 0
    April 21 2024 19: 25
    The task of this tank is to approach the supporter and mix it with the drm. And then leave. Next come the stormtroopers. If he performs the task of supporting the assault or trawling, then the decision is justified. Dot.
  46. +2
    April 22 2024 11: 26
    How can situational awareness be linked to turret mobility and crew visibility in general? Now it’s not the Second World War and there are no German three-rubles with commanders crawling out of the turret up to their waists. The tank is driven from drones, this is modern situational awareness. There is no other and there will never be another. What the crew sees is not so important; it is enough for the driver to see the trajectory 100 meters ahead.
  47. 0
    April 23 2024 01: 22
    The aesthetic Oblomov wrote this article. If you don't like it, don't watch it. They did what they did! Effective for a given battle and for a given moment in time - yes. And don't care about the rest!
    And if it’s about the parade, why not. We don't need to be ashamed and laugh at our ingenuity. Departure in parade formation is pride for our soldiers! And the rest will wipe themselves off, just as they wiped themselves off with the previous barbecues.
  48. 0
    April 23 2024 11: 10
    such a cover needs a camera on a pole or a drone on a cord (unlimited charge) to see the surroundings and fold under wires and branches in time.
    1. 0
      April 27 2024 10: 11
      At the BTV Academy in the early 90s, everything was developed, including drones on tanks and drone-guided shooting, but these were the “dashing” 90s. Everything was put together quietly, and the teachers and students were putting up roofs and roofs and installing iron doors. But then the academy itself was “merged, it’s apparently not needed and it’s still like that. That’s why our Kulibins are saving equipment as best they can.
  49. 0
    April 23 2024 13: 07
    The guys on the front line simply understand perfectly well that “the ability to maneuver fire due to a rotating turret” on a tank hit by a drone is completely useless!
  50. 0
    April 24 2024 02: 07
    AI shotguns, with image capture of a flying target. Maybe as a solution?
  51. 0
    April 30 2024 02: 59
    It’s been a year since I came up with the same idea of ​​a strong shell on top. Or even a sandwich of armor and active protection. Plus a trawl in front and here you have a weapon for breaking through the defense. Apparently I wasn’t the only one delirious with the same idea. It’s even nice))) it’s just that if there are so many ways to destroy a tank, all that remains is to strengthen the armor.